Valuetainment - January 30, 2026


＂Stephen Miller Is Dennis Rodman＂ - Trump’s Loyal ENFORCER Gains Power


Episode Stats

Length

9 minutes

Words per Minute

194.314

Word Count

1,793

Sentence Count

194

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

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Rob and Sarah discuss the role of Stephen Miller in the Trump administration and why they think he should be in the White House. They also talk about why they don't think he's a genius and why he's good at what he does.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Kara Swisher says what she says about Stephen Miller.
00:00:03.760 There's a clip that came up.
00:00:05.340 You know, I'm at the Pentagon yesterday in the Department of State.
00:00:08.360 We literally got back 3.30 this morning, just so everybody knows.
00:00:11.500 We landed 3, 3 o'clock this morning.
00:00:13.420 We got home at 3.30, 4 o'clock we slept.
00:00:15.660 We came back here at 8 a.m. and we're doing a podcast here with you guys.
00:00:18.900 And we're energized, exciting.
00:00:20.680 It was great.
00:00:21.880 Yesterday I'm talking to a bunch of different guys.
00:00:23.540 And, you know, we're at the, what do you call it, Department of War and all these different places.
00:00:30.360 And we're talking to Hexed yesterday, Kristi Noem, did a podcast with Rand Paul.
00:00:35.240 Stephen Miller's name came up many, many times.
00:00:38.260 And I said, you know who Stephen Miller is?
00:00:40.480 To me, Stephen Miller is, to give the analogy of basketball, I said, in basketball, everybody needs a Dennis Rodman.
00:00:51.660 Stephen Miller is Dennis Rodman.
00:00:53.540 Draymond Green.
00:00:54.220 He is the Draymond Green.
00:00:55.840 He's the rage-baiting, you know, poking you, tapping you in the butt, irritating you.
00:01:01.480 Dylan Brooks.
00:01:02.020 Yes, that's who he is.
00:01:03.040 He's the Dylan, what was the guy's name?
00:01:07.300 Malavadeda.
00:01:08.660 Oh, Della Vededa.
00:01:10.180 He works here.
00:01:11.000 Yeah.
00:01:11.500 So here's, watch, this guy's doing a podcast.
00:01:14.600 He's talking to a professor and accidentally realizes he used to teach Stephen Miller.
00:01:21.400 Look at the response on what he says about Stephen Miller.
00:01:23.980 Go ahead, Rob.
00:01:25.420 My former student.
00:01:27.080 What's that?
00:01:27.680 My former student.
00:01:28.920 I'm sorry, say again.
00:01:30.020 My former student.
00:01:31.520 The Stephen Miller and the Trump administration?
00:01:33.820 Did you want to say a little bit more about that before we listen to this clip?
00:01:36.700 He said that, I asked him in 2003 what he wanted to be when he grew up, and he said, I want
00:01:41.600 to be number two in the White House.
00:01:43.580 And I said, oh, when do you want to achieve that?
00:01:45.940 He says, in the next 15 years.
00:01:48.120 I said, wow.
00:01:49.080 Okay, well, who would be the president in 2003?
00:01:52.220 And he said, Donald Trump, maybe.
00:01:55.840 What?
00:01:56.600 The guy is very smart.
00:01:57.920 That's crazy.
00:01:59.540 Where was this?
00:02:00.900 At Duke.
00:02:01.560 He's in Poli Sci 122.
00:02:03.560 You had him at Duke?
00:02:04.480 Yeah.
00:02:05.880 It's a true story.
00:02:06.660 You could have told, I mean, I do a lot of homework here, Hein.
00:02:09.060 You could have told me this before the program.
00:02:10.560 Not enough homework.
00:02:11.520 Wow.
00:02:12.020 Okay.
00:02:12.680 No question he's very smart.
00:02:14.180 And he has a long-term vision.
00:02:15.800 Was he a good student, by the way?
00:02:17.000 He was very good.
00:02:17.820 Very good student.
00:02:18.580 Yeah.
00:02:19.200 See, this is the part that they don't want to talk about.
00:02:22.340 This guy, Stephen Miller, you know, they can say whatever they want to say about the Stephen Miller guy.
00:02:30.000 But that professor right there, you think they're probably on the same page politically?
00:02:34.340 Probably not.
00:02:34.800 You think that guy and the professor are on the same page politically?
00:02:37.460 Well, they're supposed to be, right?
00:02:39.000 Because that's what that podcast is about, is bringing this guy up as context of what the podcaster already believes.
00:02:46.280 Look, it's not about saying Stephen Miller is stupid or he's a genius.
00:02:53.140 That is silly.
00:02:54.120 The fact that he's a number two guy to Hitler type of a comparison.
00:02:56.940 It's so crazy.
00:02:57.840 Oh, listen.
00:02:58.560 Look, that does nothing good.
00:03:00.740 Yeah.
00:03:00.980 Okay?
00:03:01.280 It does nothing good.
00:03:02.380 It makes nothing better.
00:03:03.760 It doesn't create any chance of better outcomes.
00:03:06.380 All it does is piss people off.
00:03:08.140 And if that's what you want to do, fine.
00:03:10.380 I think the only mistake with Miller, Miller is not a front guy.
00:03:13.700 But Miller's messaging, his demeanor, his style, I don't think helps the president.
00:03:21.600 Strategically, tactically, philosophically, if he's helpful to the president, that's the president's choice.
00:03:27.500 The only tweak I would do is, and now some on the left will criticize me and say, no, we need to hear him.
00:03:32.020 We need to hear him.
00:03:33.020 I think that one mistake that Trump has made thus far, except for Levitt, Levitt is a good communicator for him.
00:03:40.140 He is better than all of his guys at making the case for him.
00:03:44.220 And I think that what we're seeing—
00:03:45.480 She is better, you're saying.
00:03:46.200 Levitt is the best of his people, but Trump is so much better than all of his people.
00:03:50.800 And that wasn't always true for presidents, you know.
00:03:53.320 That what you see with ICE now and the realignment that probably is going to come to pass, that's Trump doing it.
00:04:00.400 Trump had to get back involved.
00:04:01.780 He had to say, well, we're saying the wrong things, we're doing the wrong things.
00:04:05.280 He is not being well served by the people around him.
00:04:07.760 Stephen Miller, strategically, they are very happy with.
00:04:10.800 Bannon says the same thing, which is weird because they're not buddies.
00:04:13.780 But having him as a front person, I think, is complicated.
00:04:17.160 I'm not sure if I agree with that completely.
00:04:18.780 I'll tell you why.
00:04:19.400 Because I first saw Stephen Miller, and I didn't realize I was seeing him.
00:04:23.540 You know where?
00:04:24.120 You know where he came to national prominence?
00:04:25.820 He fearlessly stepped up to the microphone and said that the case against his fellow classmates on Duke Lacrosse,
00:04:31.360 he wasn't part of the lacrosse team.
00:04:33.060 He wasn't part of that fraternity.
00:04:34.380 But he stepped up to the microphone and made a very cogent legal analysis and sat there and said, this is wrong.
00:04:41.540 This is racially motivated in the wrong way.
00:04:43.800 He was strong.
00:04:45.100 And guess what?
00:04:45.840 He was right.
00:04:47.060 And that's where America met Stephen Miller, standing up for his classmates.
00:04:50.940 15 years ago, I want to say.
00:04:51.740 Editing years ago.
00:04:52.840 Wow.
00:04:52.960 Do you know who blew that case wide open and proved that it was a false prosecution?
00:04:58.060 Me and Dan Abrams.
00:04:59.580 NBC News and ABC News.
00:05:01.040 Yeah.
00:05:01.220 We blew up the timeline.
00:05:02.920 We proved that things didn't happen when they said.
00:05:05.100 Those boys got railroaded.
00:05:06.780 And, of course, Crystal Mangum, who was the accuser, wound up admitting it.
00:05:11.180 The woman who was with her wound up admitting it long before.
00:05:14.540 It was a con, and it was done by a local prosecutor, in part,
00:05:19.160 who wanted to make a name for going after the rich kids and impress his working class community.
00:05:23.160 And what happened to him?
00:05:24.040 He was disbarred, and he actually did time.
00:05:25.860 That's right.
00:05:26.200 Brief, but he did time.
00:05:27.140 That's right.
00:05:27.480 So, I know the case very well.
00:05:29.100 I remember his role very well.
00:05:31.400 I wish he would come on, you know, to be tested and come on.
00:05:34.940 He doesn't want to come on with me.
00:05:36.560 And that's unfortunate, because I want to give people an opportunity to make this.
00:05:39.440 You mean News Nation?
00:05:40.740 Yeah.
00:05:41.180 You won't come on.
00:05:42.120 You know who you should have on, though, is if he won't come on with,
00:05:45.300 you should have on his wife, Katie Miller, who has this massive podcast now,
00:05:49.500 gets everybody on, could pull her up.
00:05:51.500 I think she started it six months ago.
00:05:52.780 She's had Elon Musk.
00:05:54.460 She's had everybody from the administration.
00:05:56.140 So, she's doing a lot of the talking for him.
00:05:58.060 But I'll tell you one thing about Stephen Miller.
00:05:59.520 Yeah, but I don't want her.
00:06:00.940 I get it.
00:06:01.560 I want him.
00:06:02.020 I don't want your wife.
00:06:02.940 Touche.
00:06:04.120 Touche.
00:06:04.640 But, you know, you take what you can get.
00:06:05.760 But I do want to get back to Pat's point when he's talking about Kara Swisher.
00:06:09.080 I'll make a quick point about Stephen Miller.
00:06:10.900 Trump rewards loyalty.
00:06:12.300 Stephen Miller has arguably been the most loyal person since day one.
00:06:15.960 You know, the whole Trump was right about everything.
00:06:18.300 That is being, like, humanized in the human form with Stephen Miller.
00:06:21.760 That's why he rewards him.
00:06:23.300 Back to Kara Swisher.
00:06:24.120 PBD made the most important point about the, if you don't set the tone or set an example
00:06:30.420 with Don Lemon, oh, you have no idea the floodgates that will open in mosques, in churches, in temples.
00:06:37.660 By the way, good luck getting in synagogues these days because they've learned the hard way that you need to have
00:06:41.680 armed security guards and fences because people will go shoot up the joint.
00:06:45.080 The last thing we need are political agitators coming in front of churches and mosques and doing basically what Vinny's upset about.
00:06:55.560 What Kara Swisher said, last point, about how he's the Heinrich Hitler, the number two to Hitler, is so disgusting to me
00:07:03.300 and shows you have no idea about history.
00:07:05.860 Okay?
00:07:06.100 It's inflammatory and bombastic, and it's just not even wrong.
00:07:09.680 I told the story about my friend's grandma who basically told the story.
00:07:13.040 She's like, yes, I grew up.
00:07:14.840 All my siblings are dead.
00:07:16.300 They killed my grandparents.
00:07:17.560 They killed my aunt.
00:07:18.560 She's the only person alive in her whole family, much less her town.
00:07:22.460 And we're talking about two people that got in the way of authorities.
00:07:27.900 Let's do that.
00:07:28.360 That's a good transition as well.
00:07:29.680 Let's go into that.
00:07:30.420 It doesn't make sense.
00:07:31.540 There's a game coming up called Super Bowl, right?
00:07:34.320 And Seattle is going up against New England Patriots.
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00:07:44.580 Maybe we'll do that all the way at the end because I'm sure we all have some opinions on Bill Belichick not making it into the Hall of Fame.
00:07:50.840 And Tom Brady said, if I have to come back and play with only one coach, I'm not picking anybody else but Bill Belichick.
00:07:57.160 And the guy didn't make it, and three other coaches were first ballot Hall of Famers, but this guy didn't.
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