Valuetainment - November 30, 2025


“Stopping The TRT Bandwagon” - FDA Insider REVEALS Agencies SECRET War On Testosterone

Topics
hormone replacement therapy benefits
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Patrick Bet-David
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In this episode, Dr. Brian Christine, a men's health expert, joins Dr. Kelly to talk about the benefits of testosterone replacement therapy in men and the risks. Dr. Christine is a former professional bodybuilder, bodybuilder and bodybuilder. He grew up in the late 60's and early 70's when steroids were legalized in the United States. In the early 90's, steroids were seen as a way to get buffed up and look better in the short term. But as we learned more and more about the human body, we realized there may be a role for testosterone replacement in men when they stop producing a high level of testosterone.

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00:00:00.000 Okay, so next thing to talk about.
00:00:02.740 When I was coming up, I wanted to be a bodybuilder.
00:00:05.660 I wanted to be Mr. Olympia.
00:00:07.000 I said, you know, one day I'm going to be Mr. Olympia.
00:00:08.980 And the average height for Mr. Olympia is 5'8", 5'9", 5'10".
00:00:13.080 I'm 6'3 1⁄2", 6'4".
00:00:15.400 So for me, you know, I didn't want to be 400 pounds off-season.
00:00:20.520 And there was this book that everybody had to read to learn about steroids.
00:00:23.940 It's called The Steroids Bible.
00:00:25.640 And it was multiple, you know, first one, second one, third one.
00:00:30.140 All of them you would go through.
00:00:32.140 And everything about testosterone was bad that you would read about.
00:00:35.980 And then today, for the first time ever, back in the days,
00:00:40.320 nobody would talk about that that guy's on steroids.
00:00:43.080 No, he's natural, you know.
00:00:44.860 And I think a couple of the first people that came out and talked about it,
00:00:47.940 Arnold may have spoken about it.
00:00:49.980 And a guy named Bill Phillips made it very open with this magazine
00:00:53.000 called Muscle Media 2000, which was hands-on the best magazine in bodybuilding.
00:00:58.140 And he wrote a book called Body of Life at a company called EAS.
00:01:03.520 But today, guys will openly say, yeah, I'm on TRT.
00:01:08.440 Yeah, I'm on HRT.
00:01:10.580 What has happened where, what can you tell us from the perspective of steroids today?
00:01:17.040 What does the average person not know about?
00:01:20.840 Have we found, I read a book about 12 years ago called Ageless Man,
00:01:25.660 where they were testing TRT and steroids with, you know, different things to say,
00:01:30.380 you know, if the TRT, if the testosterone level is higher,
00:01:34.140 your heart is actually doing better.
00:01:36.320 What have we learned about steroids?
00:01:38.060 It's a fascinating subject, and I think you and I grew up around the same time,
00:01:43.440 and steroids were seen as this way to get buffed up.
00:01:47.240 And people do feel better on steroids.
00:01:49.560 Steroids are a natural chemical.
00:01:51.400 When you take exogenous steroids, there are some short-term benefits,
00:01:55.580 but there's long-term harms.
00:01:57.020 And that's why the medical community warned against people buffing up on steroids
00:02:01.740 just to look better and feel better in the immediate short term.
00:02:05.260 And then in the Olympics in the 1980s or so,
00:02:09.940 people were taking testosterone as a performance enhancer.
00:02:14.820 And all heaven and earth came down on those people,
00:02:18.600 and that resulted in testosterone getting scheduled as a controlled substance.
00:02:24.200 But the more that we've learned about the human body,
00:02:27.880 the more we've realized now that there can be a role for testosterone replacement in men
00:02:33.640 when they stop producing a high level of testosterone,
00:02:37.080 and it provides some of the benefits of testosterone, including muscle mass.
00:02:42.480 Now, this hasn't been proven yet as an outcome of taking testosterone replacement therapy,
00:02:48.980 but do you know what the number one predictor of longevity is?
00:02:53.160 Muscle mass.
00:02:54.700 Now, it may be a function of the fact that those people are more active,
00:02:58.060 but if you look at muscle mass, and we can measure it on a CAT scan,
00:03:00.940 it is the number one predictor of longevity.
00:03:04.380 So we are having, I think we're live here, right, when we're chatting.
00:03:09.620 We're having, I think it's December 13th,
00:03:13.000 we're having a forum at the FDA on testosterone replacement therapy in men's health
00:03:19.340 because it has not gotten the attention it deserves.
00:03:22.580 Some men are good candidates,
00:03:24.060 but there's this stigma that it's maybe wrong
00:03:27.460 or maybe has, you know, short-term benefit but long-term harm.
00:03:32.600 Now, the more we learn about testosterone,
00:03:34.680 the more we're learning that, say, low-dose testosterone
00:03:37.060 can have long-term health benefits.
00:03:39.120 So I'm not here to promote a product, I'm a regulator,
00:03:41.720 but this has not gotten the attention it deserves.
00:03:44.440 We have a guy, Brian Christine, who's a men's health expert,
00:03:47.960 and he's going to be leading this.
00:03:49.220 And, you know, we just did this big announcement
00:03:52.000 on hormone replacement therapy for women.
00:03:54.900 I don't know if you saw that.
00:03:56.120 I did.
00:03:56.940 We got great coverage on it, and I'm glad it did
00:04:00.300 because this represents the biggest screw-up of modern medicine,
00:04:06.780 the demonization of hormone replacement therapy for post-menopausal women.
00:04:12.400 And, you know, it came out of dogma,
00:04:14.720 it came out of a Fauci-like figure at the NIH in the year 2002,
00:04:20.600 about 23 years ago, who made this decree,
00:04:24.300 and he had a study that he pointed to,
00:04:26.760 even though the study was misinterpreted,
00:04:30.380 and you actually looked at the details of the study
00:04:33.480 when it first came out.
00:04:34.760 It did not show an increase in breast cancer
00:04:37.080 that was statistically significant,
00:04:39.300 yet he said it causes breast cancer.
00:04:41.920 No subsequent study has found that it increases breast cancer
00:04:44.520 mortality, but women were scared out of this treatment.
00:04:47.560 It's a life-changing, life-saving, life-extending treatment
00:04:51.340 for many women.
00:04:52.300 When their body stops making estrogen,
00:04:54.500 between 45 and 55 years of age,
00:04:56.920 they replace it with estrogen replacement,
00:05:00.760 plus or minus progesterone,
00:05:02.360 and they feel better and live longer.
00:05:05.760 It not only alleviates the short-term symptoms of menopause,
00:05:09.860 that is, when I say short-term,
00:05:12.140 that you can last eight years on average.
00:05:15.380 We were told in medical school,
00:05:16.600 some women have symptoms of menopause, 0.85
00:05:18.820 but they're usually mild,
00:05:19.880 and they just last a couple years.
00:05:21.920 In other words, just tough it up.
00:05:23.300 These women are complaining. 1.00
00:05:24.840 That was basically the male-dominated medical establishment.
00:05:27.320 Now we know symptoms last eight years on average,
00:05:31.180 that 80-plus percent of women have symptoms,
00:05:33.300 and for most, the symptoms are severe,
00:05:36.680 where now they're more likely to get an antidepressant
00:05:39.140 when they come in for their mood swings
00:05:40.560 than they are estrogen,
00:05:42.780 which can alleviate these symptoms
00:05:44.260 of the hot flashes, night sweats, mood swings, weight gain.
00:05:49.440 I mean, marriages have been saved
00:05:51.080 by hormone replacement therapy in post-menopausal women.
00:05:54.280 In what way?
00:05:55.540 Well, for example, one patient described,
00:05:58.720 we just did a podcast with some experts in this field,
00:06:01.180 and they said, a patient came in and said,
00:06:02.920 every time I had sex with my husband, 1.00
00:06:05.160 it felt like razor blades in my vagina 1.00
00:06:07.200 because there's dryness associated 0.99
00:06:09.760 with the menopausal changes,
00:06:12.140 and so it can make sexual activity painful,
00:06:17.200 and these symptoms were alleviated
00:06:20.280 with hormone replacement therapy.
00:06:22.620 So not only are the short-term benefits remarkable,
00:06:26.820 but there are massively underappreciated
00:06:30.700 long-term health benefits
00:06:32.380 that are profound.
00:06:34.580 And let me just mention a couple.
00:06:35.940 Lowering the risk of fatal heart attacks
00:06:37.720 by 25% to 50%.
00:06:39.440 That's the number one cause of death in women. 1.00
00:06:42.500 I mean, on a population level...
00:06:46.260 25% to 50%.
00:06:46.500 I mean, this is top studies in the journal Circulation,
00:06:52.340 one of the top cardiology journals just two years ago,
00:06:55.240 and it prevents osteoporosis,
00:06:58.880 like 90% effective in reducing osteoporosis.
00:07:02.060 It reduces the risk of a bone fracture later in life.
00:07:05.300 If a woman makes it to 80, 1.00
00:07:07.860 there's like a one-in-three chance
00:07:09.200 she's going to have a hip fracture,
00:07:11.080 and that can be the cause of death in many women 1.00
00:07:13.680 because it leads to disability and surgery
00:07:16.180 and then complications.
00:07:17.820 Well, the root issue is the bones were weak
00:07:20.440 because the estrogen level dropped off at menopause,
00:07:23.200 and it's preventable with hormone replacement therapy.
00:07:26.900 It also reduces cognitive decline later in life for a woman. 0.54
00:07:31.820 So the benefits are so profound that they're...
00:07:36.820 By the way, there may be no medication in the modern era
00:07:39.340 with the exception of antibiotics and a few others
00:07:41.620 that can improve the health of women 0.98
00:07:45.240 on a population level more than hormone replacement therapy
00:07:48.600 for post-menopausal women 0.92
00:07:50.040 if it started within 10 years of menopause.
00:07:52.180 That's a key feature.
00:07:54.060 So that means 60,
00:07:55.560 because the study had a number 60 in it, right?
00:07:58.940 So starting 10 years before 60,
00:08:01.840 so you're saying starting when you're 50 years old,
00:08:04.120 give or take?
00:08:05.400 Women experience menopause 0.99
00:08:07.300 generally between the ages of 45 and 55,
00:08:10.660 and so your body really should not be going
00:08:12.900 without estrogen for more than several years
00:08:17.360 because the estrogen keeps the blood vessel wall healthy.
00:08:22.160 So it's generally believed
00:08:23.400 that if you start it more than 10 years
00:08:25.580 after the onset of menopause
00:08:27.160 or rule of thumb after age 60,
00:08:30.180 that the benefit is not there
00:08:31.940 and the risk-benefit ratio inverts.
00:08:34.200 And so doctors generally don't recommend it after age 60.
00:08:37.600 But most doctors haven't recommended it at all
00:08:40.140 because of the dogma from the NIH 23 years ago
00:08:43.560 that it increases your risk of dying of breast cancer,
00:08:46.080 something that's never been found to be true
00:08:47.940 in a clinical study.
00:08:48.740 And is that the one that was released
00:08:50.140 to the mainstream media first
00:08:51.520 to kind of get some attention
00:08:52.640 and then that's what caused everybody to think
00:08:55.200 that's those two tied to each other?
00:08:57.420 Yeah, it was very manipulative.
00:08:59.240 They released it to the media without the data
00:09:01.560 and then they published the study a week later.
00:09:04.960 When we looked at it after it was published,
00:09:06.700 we said,
00:09:07.240 there's no statistically significant increase in breast cancer.
00:09:10.480 Who benefited from that?
00:09:11.480 Who benefited from that article?
00:09:12.860 Individual careers in medicine were made.
00:09:17.580 They were...
00:09:18.400 Nobody financially.
00:09:19.580 Like it wasn't like a big pharma company
00:09:21.600 that benefited from this.
00:09:22.920 No, this was the ego of people who set out.
00:09:27.880 I mean, the lead investigator of that study
00:09:30.460 had said before,
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