Valuetainment - July 22, 2025


＂TD Jakes Is A Feel-Good Preacher＂ - Charleston White UNLOADS On Black Megachurches & ATM Sermons


Episode Stats

Length

13 minutes

Words per Minute

218.52956

Word Count

3,005

Sentence Count

369

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

T.D. Jakes is a net positive to his church but is he a net negative to the community? Is he good for the community or is he good only for his church? What does the Bible say about church and what does it have to do with black people?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 T.D. Jakes is in Dallas, right?
00:00:01.240 Have you ever done anything with him?
00:00:02.140 What do you think about T.D. Jakes?
00:00:04.600 T.D. Jakes is for his church.
00:00:06.180 He's not for the community.
00:00:08.280 He's for his church, not meaning members of his church.
00:00:10.840 No, he means the Potter's House.
00:00:13.280 Right.
00:00:13.880 Meaning a member.
00:00:15.580 He's for his church.
00:00:16.700 That's his business.
00:00:18.200 He's not for Dallas.
00:00:19.460 We don't see him nowhere doing nothing.
00:00:20.940 His church or nothing.
00:00:21.640 Now, they got a prison reentry, but that's for the grant funding for his business.
00:00:26.640 Do you think he's a net positive to Dallas?
00:00:29.000 No.
00:00:29.560 To the black community.
00:00:30.520 No.
00:00:30.840 T.D. Jakes.
00:00:31.580 No.
00:00:32.360 What do we do other than preach a good message?
00:00:34.860 To make our mothers feel good.
00:00:36.340 Only come back home and still drink wine and feel better.
00:00:40.340 Playing a pussy with a rose to feel even more better.
00:00:43.040 So all he is is a feel-good preacher.
00:00:46.920 Nah, man.
00:00:47.920 The Bible says what you do for the least of those.
00:00:49.980 I don't see no preacher, no church really doing for the least of those other than the poor churches that's amongst the least of those.
00:00:55.300 You cannot take your big, beautiful church, build it out on the hill away from the people and think you can still reach the people.
00:01:03.720 They can't walk to that church.
00:01:05.720 And matter of fact, this church is so extravagant.
00:01:08.340 It's ATM machines all over this motherfucker.
00:01:11.060 And when it's time to pay tithes, poor people are excluded out of the black church.
00:01:15.380 What do you mean?
00:01:16.100 They're excluded.
00:01:17.000 The preacher make you feel like if you ain't got a soda seat, who got a soda seat?
00:01:20.440 They make you feel like if you ain't got no money, Gil.
00:01:22.460 God don't need my money.
00:01:25.960 He need my confessions.
00:01:29.160 So, yeah, now the black church is full of shit.
00:01:31.640 They go for T.D. Jakes, all of them.
00:01:33.320 What do you mean by Creflo?
00:01:34.540 Full of shit.
00:01:35.420 Obsolete to the black people.
00:01:36.700 Right.
00:01:37.380 They have an audience like I got an audience.
00:01:40.260 If I lose a page, my audience come follow me like they're following.
00:01:43.640 They're not for the community.
00:01:45.160 I started from the community and developed a following.
00:01:48.160 You don't think T.D. Jakes is a net positive to community still like, you know.
00:01:52.760 He preached.
00:01:53.520 What does?
00:01:54.080 How is a preacher?
00:01:55.080 How is a preacher?
00:01:55.940 Go back to what you said earlier when you said hip hop or the movies would come to the
00:02:00.640 bad communities and it would convert.
00:02:02.100 So what if somebody doesn't live in Dallas and they live in Kansas, they live in New York,
00:02:06.300 they live in Arkansas, they live in London, and they watch him, they're like, they just
00:02:10.920 like the way he delivers his message.
00:02:12.560 Isn't that a net positive?
00:02:13.680 No.
00:02:14.220 Tell me why.
00:02:15.140 What does it do?
00:02:15.820 It make you feel good for the moment.
00:02:18.160 It makes, so, so church make you feel good for whatever, hey, hallelujah, pastor.
00:02:22.900 You go back to the same problems, same conditions, and most people's lives don't transform.
00:02:29.400 You don't think people make decisions when they give their life?
00:02:32.440 No.
00:02:32.600 When they get baptized?
00:02:33.820 I think when people give their life to God, they going through something, they dealing
00:02:36.920 with something, soon as shit get back right, they sneaking and having unmarital sticks,
00:02:40.660 they still getting drunk, they still masturbating, they still watching poor.
00:02:43.360 I think everybody is full of shit when it comes to God because you're going to do something
00:02:46.440 against God every day.
00:02:47.240 Stop trying to be perfect.
00:02:47.880 Do you believe in God?
00:02:48.600 Yeah, I do.
00:02:49.500 But I ain't trying to live for God.
00:02:51.340 God gave me a choice of free will.
00:02:53.020 I don't want to be a godly man.
00:02:54.720 You don't want to be a godly man.
00:02:55.360 I want to fuck a bunch of women.
00:02:57.260 So you made that decision.
00:02:58.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:59.400 I get God on the deathbed.
00:03:01.040 But right now, I'm living for me.
00:03:02.420 Fuck God.
00:03:03.860 I believe in him.
00:03:04.740 I get the same blessings if I believe or if I don't.
00:03:07.840 The sun shines on the bad just like the rain fall on the good.
00:03:15.140 Good things happen to bad people like bad things happen to good people.
00:03:18.760 God ain't got nothing to do with that.
00:03:19.900 You think this is the right example on the way to live your life because you're saying
00:03:24.460 you want to do net positive?
00:03:25.600 Man, listen, you live your life.
00:03:27.760 No, I'm not saying.
00:03:28.360 No, no, no.
00:03:28.760 Those are two different things.
00:03:29.640 No, no, let me say.
00:03:30.240 Yes, I think it's the right message.
00:03:31.660 Tell me why.
00:03:32.180 Because can't nobody dictate to you about your life.
00:03:34.680 God gave it to you.
00:03:35.480 No, no.
00:03:35.780 That's not what I'm saying, though.
00:03:36.820 That's not what I'm saying.
00:03:37.400 You're right.
00:03:38.440 You can do whatever you want to do.
00:03:40.240 I don't think God is real.
00:03:41.600 I think God is questionable.
00:03:42.680 Well, then that's a different conversation.
00:03:44.220 You just told me you said God is real.
00:03:45.760 Then you changed it.
00:03:46.360 I said I believe in God based on what my mother said.
00:03:49.340 But you don't believe God is real.
00:03:50.400 I've read Revelation and I read Genesis.
00:03:53.540 Now I don't believe God is real because I just told you about children being sex trafficked.
00:03:58.260 Where is God for them?
00:03:59.200 By who, though?
00:03:59.560 By who?
00:04:00.200 By whoever.
00:04:00.960 I don't know.
00:04:01.660 By the people.
00:04:02.780 By what people?
00:04:04.220 By the people.
00:04:05.080 The government?
00:04:05.860 Whoever.
00:04:06.460 So if God is real, why he don't stop those people?
00:04:09.180 If God is real.
00:04:10.040 If he gave free will to a guy like you.
00:04:10.800 Okay, okay, okay.
00:04:11.560 So that's why I don't think God is real.
00:04:13.240 Because if God is real, why hadn't white people suffered for what they did to slavery?
00:04:17.960 If God is really real.
00:04:18.620 So then for you, you're, so you're conflicted.
00:04:21.720 No, I'm not conflicted.
00:04:22.680 I don't believe people know God to tell me God is really real.
00:04:25.460 No, I'm not.
00:04:26.000 So no, I, originally you said you believe.
00:04:28.540 I believe in God.
00:04:29.680 That don't mean I think he real.
00:04:31.700 I believe in the boogeyman.
00:04:33.360 I don't think he's real.
00:04:35.000 I believe in ghosts, the spirit.
00:04:36.700 I don't know they're real.
00:04:37.380 So do you have, do you have faith?
00:04:38.440 No, I ain't got, I got faith in me.
00:04:40.160 You got faith in you.
00:04:40.800 Because everything I heard about faith, I think is bullshit.
00:04:43.000 So let me tell you, who is the biggest man in your life that let you down?
00:04:46.460 No.
00:04:47.220 No man's ever let you down.
00:04:48.980 I've never been connected to a man.
00:04:51.460 Father.
00:04:52.120 Never been connected to him to be let down.
00:04:53.700 Did you ever meet him?
00:04:54.480 Never.
00:04:55.180 So that's the biggest let down.
00:04:56.260 That's not a let down.
00:04:57.060 We never met him.
00:04:57.860 I had uncles and granddaddies to replace that let down.
00:05:00.300 You don't even know it's there.
00:05:01.260 But there's different names than a father.
00:05:02.420 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen, listen.
00:05:03.340 Out of sight is really out of mind.
00:05:05.280 There are many kids who father's gone and another replacement have stepped in and filled
00:05:10.980 the void of a father.
00:05:12.060 There's a different thing.
00:05:12.820 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:05:13.740 Man, listen, if you've never seen your daddy, you don't have attachment to it.
00:05:16.680 That's bullshit.
00:05:17.000 Yeah, but that's a different story.
00:05:18.440 That's a childhood abandonment.
00:05:19.980 That's a childhood abandonment issue that you hold in secretly.
00:05:22.920 That don't affect you as a disappointment.
00:05:24.900 You never expected nothing to be disappointed.
00:05:26.820 No, no, no, not as a, so I'm listening to you.
00:05:29.160 And it's, it's not your fault.
00:05:30.860 I'm not sitting here saying anything that.
00:05:32.420 Man, I don't give a damn what you're saying.
00:05:33.800 I'm telling you, I ain't never been connected to a man to be, listen, listen, I had a granddaddy.
00:05:37.880 I had an uncle who kept me with him.
00:05:39.880 I don't know that's not my daddy.
00:05:41.440 The presence of a man is the father, not the title.
00:05:44.540 Yeah, but when a man grows up eventually, you said something earlier, you said.
00:05:48.920 Listen, when I grow up, I have no connection to a man.
00:05:50.980 So no man, I ain't been hurt by a man.
00:05:53.920 I had no connection to a man to be hurt.
00:05:57.020 No expectation, no nothing.
00:05:58.360 Do you know what you said at the beginning of the podcast?
00:06:00.480 Yes, you said something very powerful.
00:06:03.280 You said, you know, when you were a kid, you and your older brother, he was a big guy and
00:06:07.840 he was in and out of juvie.
00:06:09.400 And then your mother ended up having a daughter.
00:06:11.280 I think you said later in life, she ended up having a daughter.
00:06:14.400 And then mom worked for GM and she worked after you guys got home.
00:06:18.280 So she would prepare your meal.
00:06:19.860 She would tell you to do the homework and she's going to call out these times.
00:06:22.880 You guys better be home or else.
00:06:24.120 And if she came home and if you guys didn't do what she told you to do, she'd wake your
00:06:28.920 ass up and talk to you.
00:06:29.840 Now, where the man at?
00:06:31.060 Exactly.
00:06:31.580 That's what I'm saying.
00:06:32.500 But because there wasn't a man, she couldn't check you to raise boys.
00:06:37.380 I was raised by a single mother.
00:06:38.860 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
00:06:39.500 I'm telling you, I got uncles and granddaddy.
00:06:41.020 You think my granddaddy and them ain't around?
00:06:42.700 Checking my brother and them?
00:06:43.760 We had men.
00:06:44.500 I'm repeating your words.
00:06:45.020 No, no, no.
00:06:45.420 But I never told you it wasn't no man.
00:06:47.640 You're assuming.
00:06:48.680 I got a bunch of uncles and granddaddy.
00:06:50.380 So I had the presence of a man.
00:06:54.480 I ain't the black kid that grew up poor.
00:06:56.440 I had plenty of men.
00:06:58.080 Well-to-do kids.
00:06:59.120 I had my own room in the third grade.
00:07:00.680 You know what I love about you, Charleston?
00:07:02.120 Let me tell you what I love about you.
00:07:03.880 And I have so much respect for you.
00:07:06.080 Is, you know, when I was a kid and I was, we didn't have a lot of money.
00:07:12.560 We're like a, you know, what do you call it?
00:07:13.900 Section 8 and welfare kid.
00:07:15.800 See, I don't know what it's like to be poor.
00:07:17.020 I'm telling you.
00:07:17.580 I'm telling you.
00:07:18.100 I don't know what it's like to be poor.
00:07:18.940 I'm telling you from my perspective.
00:07:20.380 But from my perspective, when I was raised that way in L.A., Glendale, and we would have
00:07:27.780 people that would come over and they would say things like, hey, you know, let us get
00:07:31.860 you this for Christmas.
00:07:32.780 Let us get you this.
00:07:33.500 And oh, poor this, poor that.
00:07:34.960 I hated it.
00:07:36.240 I couldn't stand people looking down at us as if we don't have anything, as if we don't
00:07:41.680 have any money.
00:07:42.540 I hated it.
00:07:43.680 I couldn't stand it.
00:07:44.360 So I went to the army.
00:07:45.480 And then eventually I ended up making my own money.
00:07:48.220 I didn't want to be in debt to anybody.
00:07:53.500 I didn't want any favors.
00:07:54.640 I didn't want any of that stuff.
00:07:56.440 Your level of mentally, how powerful words have been in your life.
00:08:03.720 Let me just say this.
00:08:04.300 You sang a hip hop song at the beginning.
00:08:06.420 I come from love.
00:08:08.220 Love conquers all.
00:08:10.000 So I got a loving mother.
00:08:12.320 Yeah.
00:08:12.760 We live in a wonderful, affluent background.
00:08:15.520 When I get hurt, I'm centered around love.
00:08:18.960 I'm growing up in a hospital with loving nurses.
00:08:21.460 I don't know my daddy not here.
00:08:23.080 I got number love.
00:08:24.340 I got my uncle.
00:08:25.320 I'm his favorite nephew.
00:08:26.880 My name is Charleston.
00:08:28.380 My nickname is Blue.
00:08:29.680 My uncle was a pimp.
00:08:30.940 I was born in 1977.
00:08:32.740 There's a movie called Come Back Charleston Blue, 1976.
00:08:36.680 My uncle named me.
00:08:38.300 That's my daddy.
00:08:39.040 So I always tried to be a pimp.
00:08:41.500 Pimp on hold.
00:08:42.700 Prostitute on hold.
00:08:43.580 My daddy absolutely don't want to.
00:08:45.240 You validate my point.
00:08:46.480 So this is what I'm saying.
00:08:47.540 So I had men.
00:08:48.500 You validate my point.
00:08:48.960 I had men.
00:08:50.020 So I don't have no abandonment.
00:08:52.380 I was a kid who grew up in a hospital setting like a dog who'd been inside.
00:08:57.760 Finally got to go outside and play as a kid.
00:09:00.680 Nigga, I'm happy.
00:09:01.960 Yeah.
00:09:02.280 I'm happy.
00:09:02.800 I'm not.
00:09:03.320 I'm not.
00:09:03.820 No, I'm happy.
00:09:04.960 I just never been a kid before.
00:09:07.020 And I'm attracted by what's wrong.
00:09:10.360 So nah, man, I wasn't hurt.
00:09:11.940 That's the excuse most people like to use.
00:09:14.060 That's not my excuse.
00:09:15.700 I chose to do what I did because I thought that was a part of manhood.
00:09:19.260 I believe you.
00:09:19.860 I believe you.
00:09:20.320 So my uncle would paint pretty pictures of prison to me.
00:09:23.760 So when I got to school at recess, I would tell my friends what I was going to do when I get to prison based on what they done told me.
00:09:29.920 So it wasn't disappointment.
00:09:32.060 It was a badge of honor.
00:09:35.580 It's a badge of honor.
00:09:36.740 As most black people kill with cold heart, it seemed like.
00:09:40.380 It's not cold.
00:09:41.300 They want that badge of honor.
00:09:42.280 And I wanted it.
00:09:45.080 One eye, small frame, couldn't play football.
00:09:48.160 I want to be a part of something.
00:09:50.640 Yeah, and I found something to be a part of.
00:09:53.240 And it was everything I was looking for coming from them negative uncles and my working mother's home.
00:10:00.020 Her presence is gone.
00:10:01.480 We just got a perfect environment, great environment, but we got these negative images to see that matches what we see on television.
00:10:07.320 Is she still around?
00:10:08.260 Yeah, mama's still around.
00:10:08.920 Retired from General Motors, became a foster parent for like 30 years.
00:10:12.960 Dallas?
00:10:13.460 Yeah.
00:10:13.800 Still in Dallas?
00:10:14.440 Yeah, still in Dallas.
00:10:14.900 Your brother?
00:10:15.380 Your older brother?
00:10:15.700 My brother just come home from prison after doing 31 years for a murder he committed when he was 17.
00:10:19.920 Now, my brother was angry.
00:10:21.480 He had a disappointment in his father.
00:10:23.260 He was, daddy show up, daddy show up.
00:10:24.620 I never had dad to show up to disappoint me.
00:10:26.460 Yeah.
00:10:27.000 So he was angry.
00:10:28.280 I always angry.
00:10:28.860 So I remember we were about, the General Motors Arlington plan had transferred the people from Texas to Monroe, Louisiana.
00:10:36.420 Now, I remember watching TV one time, I was probably about 10 years old, and out of nowhere, my brother looked at me and said, when I grow up, I'm going to kill somebody.
00:10:45.800 I ran down there and told my mama, my mother spanked him out of frustration.
00:10:50.640 How old was he?
00:10:51.500 He probably was 12.
00:10:52.900 What was he watching when he said this?
00:10:54.160 Oh, we were watching a Rambo movie, First Blood.
00:10:58.020 He said, he just looked at me out of nowhere and said, with a sincere look, and it scared me as a kid.
00:11:02.800 He said, when I grow up, I'm going to kill somebody.
00:11:05.120 Got it.
00:11:05.540 Man, I ran down there.
00:11:06.500 Harry, I ever told my mother.
00:11:09.160 Because mothers have to work with very little support back then.
00:11:13.660 That's a lot of support.
00:11:14.600 She didn't have the luxury to sit down and try to understand where that root came from.
00:11:20.060 So he dealt with a lot of disappointment.
00:11:22.680 He grew up angry.
00:11:24.580 I grew up with love, just wanting to fit in.
00:11:27.120 I didn't want to be the baby.
00:11:28.480 I want to be treated.
00:11:29.240 I was baby.
00:11:30.760 I was coddled.
00:11:31.800 But I was a brave heart.
00:11:33.600 I couldn't wait to break free.
00:11:36.500 All goes back to the conversations we had when you're talking about how things happen with the African-American community,
00:11:46.440 when we talked about crack earlier, when we talked about mindset earlier, father policies, a lot of that.
00:11:51.820 And today, how old are you?
00:11:54.280 I'm 48.
00:11:54.880 I just turned 48, maybe 17.
00:11:56.320 So your brother's how old?
00:11:57.500 He turned 51.
00:11:59.220 So he just got out three years ago?
00:12:00.700 Yeah, he just got out three years ago.
00:12:01.600 Three years ago.
00:12:01.920 From 17?
00:12:02.280 31 years.
00:12:02.860 Yeah, from 17 to 17.
00:12:04.240 But you guys are still close.
00:12:05.480 Oh, no.
00:12:06.500 You don't know your brother after 30 years?
00:12:08.300 That's what I'm saying.
00:12:08.920 That's tough.
00:12:09.220 No, I don't want to be close.
00:12:10.180 What happened when he saw him?
00:12:10.920 Did you see him?
00:12:11.540 Yeah, I was going to see him in prison.
00:12:13.260 And when he came out, what was the conversation like?
00:12:16.020 I don't know you, nigga.
00:12:17.300 Like that?
00:12:17.600 Even though I've been seeing you.
00:12:18.760 We've been seeing each other in and out of prison for 30, so we'd see each other.
00:12:21.720 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:22.220 But at some point, I stopped going to go see my brother in prison.
00:12:25.700 Oh, God.
00:12:26.000 Because I'm not your mother and I'm not your father.
00:12:28.660 Your mama love you enough, nigga, to keep going to go see you.
00:12:31.360 I'm going to stay with my kid.
00:12:32.300 My kid ain't down here.
00:12:33.420 Why do I have to subject myself to be treated like this?
00:12:35.880 Yeah.
00:12:36.440 So I ain't going to see him.
00:12:37.240 I ain't send him no money on his books.
00:12:39.400 Because come out here to us.
00:12:40.860 You got a family out here.
00:12:41.720 So when he got out, he got out on the right track.
00:12:45.560 But he's institutionalized.
00:12:47.960 And he think he know everything.
00:12:49.800 So you have to put your hand back.
00:12:51.580 Because you can't correct a fool.
00:12:53.580 Say, what's up, everybody?
00:12:54.700 It's your boy, Charleston White, a.k.a. America's Favorite Uncle.
00:12:58.180 I had just signed up to Minette.
00:12:59.760 So if you want to message me, you want to cuss me out, you want to fuss at me,
00:13:02.980 even if you want some counseling, call me.
00:13:04.760 I minister healing by well word.
00:13:06.280 You can message me directly on Minette.
00:13:08.060 I promise, man, I'm going to respond directly.
00:13:09.760 I ignore them DMs on Instagram.
00:13:11.720 They just took my Facebook.
00:13:13.000 I don't respond on YouTube.
00:13:14.400 I will respond on Minette.
00:13:15.660 I promise.
00:13:16.180 Just call me and see.
00:13:17.000 Text me.
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00:13:23.360 Yeah.
00:13:40.660 Bye.
00:13:44.040 Bye.
00:13:44.420 Bye.