Valuetainment - May 10, 2026


＂That Place Is A HELL HOLE＂ - Maryland Governor FIRES BACK At Trump For Trashing Baltimore


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Maryland Governor Larry Hogan joins Jemele to discuss his relationship with President Donald Trump and why he thinks he s a better choice for president than his opponent, Hillary Clinton. He also talks about how he and the President have a good relationship and what it means to be a friend to the President.

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00:00:30.000 So issues with Trump, do you see Trump as your enemy?
00:00:34.860 Do you see Trump as the boogeyman?
00:00:36.540 Do you see Trump as, you know, because right now you watch everybody campaigning. 0.95
00:00:41.120 As long as they get up and say Trump's a horrible human being, he's a criminal, he's a this, he's a that, I'm going to get the Democratic ticket.
00:00:48.400 How do you view your relationship with Trump and Trump as an individual? 0.95
00:00:52.140 So I don't view any of these people as my enemy.
00:00:55.400 You know what I mean?
00:00:56.020 I never ran for office because I wanted to have fights with the president of the United States.
00:01:01.300 That's so silly to me because every time I'm spending time on that, I'm not spending time on my people.
00:01:08.860 I'm not spending time on making sure they're good.
00:01:10.840 Now, are there certain policies that I just vehemently disagree with that the president is doing?
00:01:16.820 100%.
00:01:17.260 Such as?
00:01:18.220 Did I disagree with?
00:01:19.520 Yeah.
00:01:19.640 Oh, I mean, for example, what happened last year around food and SNAP?
00:01:26.020 And the attempt to cut snap for our kids, I just think that is abhorrent because these are children who relied on this.
00:01:35.280 And so, like, for example, what we did in our state, you know, we have you know, we actually have a fund called the Fiscal Responsibility Fund,
00:01:41.280 which is primarily made of capital gains tax that we actually pulled about sixty three million dollars from that because I was like,
00:01:47.440 I'm not going to let my children go hungry because Washington, D.C. was having a food fight.
00:01:53.120 But the thing about it is, is that while there are policies that I vehemently disagree with the president, I think we'd be foolish to not say.
00:02:01.160 But there are certain things that we have to be honest about that were good ideas and things that we want to lift up.
00:02:06.900 I mean, for a perfect example, you know, the president was able to get something done that we've been calling for for over a decade, which is essentially baby bonds, baby bonds, what he calls the Trump accounts.
00:02:19.940 It's one of the best ways of actually being able to address things like the racial wealth gap and things like wealth gaps.
00:02:25.940 Because if you can actually start investing in children when they're early and then have that continue to grow and materialize, it's one of the best ways of addressing things like wealth gaps.
00:02:35.520 Well, the truth is we've been fighting for that for years.
00:02:38.860 And the reality is a Democratic Democratic presidents have not been able to make that happen.
00:02:43.940 But Donald Trump did.
00:02:45.480 And so give credit where credit is due.
00:02:47.860 I can fight all day long on the policies that I think are backwards, don't make sense, and in some cases illegal.
00:02:55.840 However, the things that do make sense give credit where credit is due.
00:03:00.100 And I think that's important in actually our democratic process.
00:03:03.320 Respect. Have you and him ever spoken? Have you guys had time?
00:03:05.440 Oh, yeah.
00:03:05.860 You guys have spent time together.
00:03:06.880 Absolutely. No, we spent time together.
00:03:08.640 We had a, you know, I remember the first time, the first time we met was very interesting because it was actually an Army-Navy game.
00:03:15.400 And so, you know, I heard that the president-elect is coming to the Army-Navy game.
00:03:19.000 This was, this was, sorry, this December before he was, like, second time.
00:03:22.980 And so I'm the governor that time, so I'm like, listen, he's coming to my state
00:03:26.620 because the game was being played in Prince George's County, Maryland.
00:03:29.260 So I'm like, of course.
00:03:30.400 So he comes up.
00:03:31.760 And, you know, vehicle pulls up, beast pulls up, and he gets out of the vehicle.
00:03:37.000 And I said to him, I was like, you know, welcome back to Maryland, Mr. President-elect.
00:03:41.240 And he says to me, he says, you're a really good-looking guy in person.
00:03:44.700 he would say something like that
00:03:48.500 so I was like
00:03:50.160 go army Mr. President
00:03:52.780 and then he started talking
00:03:55.360 he's like my people tell me you're doing a really good job
00:03:57.840 he said how can I help you and we started talking about the bridge
00:03:59.780 talking about the key bridge in Baltimore
00:04:01.000 so I have conversations
00:04:03.660 with the President of the United States
00:04:05.560 what happened to February of this year when he was doing
00:04:07.600 a national governor or something
00:04:08.980 and you were uninvited and you said
00:04:11.480 I don't know why it was not
00:04:12.380 what happened with that one
00:04:13.400 Patrick, that honestly, that was weird to me because I like and I and I think about it where, listen, there are governors.
00:04:20.040 Did you say something that something prompted or.
00:04:22.300 And so what happened was with that, which was really weird, is that there are governors who like spend a whole lot more time.
00:04:27.180 And, you know, they are like going after him every single day.
00:04:30.420 That's not me. Yeah. Because I'm just like, listen, if if you come after my people, you say something against the folks in Maryland.
00:04:36.280 Will I respond? Absolutely. That's my job. I'm the chief executive of my state. Right.
00:04:39.560 But I don't spend all day long focusing on the present.
00:04:43.080 Like, I'm too busy.
00:04:44.360 I got to make sure that I'm fighting for my folks, right?
00:04:46.900 And so when I got personally disinvited, I was like, what did I say?
00:04:53.760 Like, there are other governors who are coming at your neck every day.
00:04:56.480 I'm not, like, what did I do?
00:04:59.360 And so I did not understand it.
00:05:01.860 And honestly, it wasn't a big deal to me because I'm not that interested in going to fancy dinners anyway.
00:05:07.240 Like, I'm good.
00:05:08.100 Like, I'm fine.
00:05:09.560 But it was very odd.
00:05:12.160 And the thing about it that—
00:05:13.100 Who else was uninvited?
00:05:14.020 Is it just you?
00:05:14.900 It was just me, and then Jared Polis also was added on to it as well.
00:05:20.160 Did he explain why or no?
00:05:21.660 Did he ever say why?
00:05:23.060 Never.
00:05:23.160 So until today, you don't know why you were not invited.
00:05:24.900 I have no idea.
00:05:25.800 I would love to know why you were invited.
00:05:27.200 I have no idea.
00:05:28.860 Was it around the time of ICE?
00:05:31.100 Was it around the time of—what would he think?
00:05:34.920 But my dispute with him about, well, actually it was the National Guard,
00:05:40.520 when he was talking about putting the National Guard in Baltimore.
00:05:42.420 My dispute with him on that actually came months earlier.
00:05:45.100 And the reason was because when he was saying, well, you have to deal with your crime problems,
00:05:49.480 so therefore I'm going to deploy the National Guard like you did in Washington, D.C.
00:05:53.080 And I just told him, I was like, Mr. President, listen, you know, numbers are numbers.
00:05:56.780 Let's be clear.
00:05:58.000 Baltimore has had a faster drop in violent crime than in Washington, D.C.
00:06:01.580 even post the introduction sure of the national guard folks and i said if you want to talk about
00:06:06.380 ways to reduce crime like we just talked about i was like you can come to maryland to learn
00:06:11.080 but don't come here to lecture because actually we're doing the work we're doing this is a call
00:06:16.560 you guys had yeah and then but it turned into a back and forth on twitter which i can't stand
00:06:21.160 um but then he was just like you know then he started from the oval office he's like you know
00:06:26.260 uh that place is a hellhole no one would walk through it and so on and so forth and i'm like
00:06:30.180 that's that's our home like you know like folks in baltimore like we hear that we hear that coming
00:06:38.860 from the presidency of the united states and you're talking about baltimore like those aren't
00:06:42.840 americans those are your people too and for you to come at us like that and and with the with just
00:06:50.020 the the ignorance was so offensive to me because you have to remember these are these are whether
00:06:57.100 they voted for you or not these are your folks too and you have to respect that and so um so
00:07:02.880 that happened that happened months before and you know the thing that I continue to remind him when
00:07:08.180 I when I told him was like listen you know you're you're disinviting me from a dinner from first of
00:07:13.500 all from an organization that you didn't make me a part of the people of Maryland made me a part of
00:07:17.560 the National Governance Association when they elected me to be their governor and I was the I'm
00:07:21.180 the vice chair of the organization in June I become the chair of the National Governance
00:07:25.340 association in june in june next year two months yep that's exactly right and i said and mr president
00:07:30.160 you did not make me the vice chair of the national government association you know who did
00:07:34.380 the nation's other governors democrats and republicans they were the ones who selected me
00:07:41.180 to be a leader in the organization so when he disinvited me and again again shout out to
00:07:47.080 all the other governors shout out to kevin stitt who's the governor of oklahoma uh republican
00:07:52.080 he's a stud by the way i six five six six he's huge very well spoken i am such a huge fan of
00:07:58.040 kevin i really am he's just a he's a good good friend and i remember and and we've had we've
00:08:03.640 had some i mean kevin is actually probably one of one of my closest friends i have a lot of close
00:08:08.820 friends amongst the governors but kevin's right up there and i remember when i told when i told
00:08:13.800 kevin i was like you know the president just disinvited me from the day he's like what and
00:08:18.300 And he's like, for what?
00:08:19.140 I was like, I have no idea.
00:08:20.700 And I remember Kevin was the first one to say, well, let's be clear.
00:08:23.960 If one of us is not invited, it is no longer a National Governance Association dinner.
00:08:28.480 And I was like, respect, Kevin.
00:08:30.000 Wow.
00:08:30.420 Well, I heard him speak a couple months ago.
00:08:33.460 I was at a Goldman Sachs event in Dallas, and he got up and he was selling Oklahoma
00:08:36.920 because everything about the event was about Texas.
00:08:38.980 And, you know, Ross Perot got up there, you know, the son or the grandson.
00:08:44.900 and he was selling Texas as the best play.
00:08:47.440 You know, Goldman Sachs is coming out.
00:08:49.400 They're building their second biggest headquarters.
00:08:51.700 And then he gets up there and says, look, I know this is a Texas team,
00:08:54.580 but let me tell you what we're doing in Oklahoma.
00:08:56.000 I kind of like the way he handled himself.
00:08:57.800 But, you know, Trump every once in a while will do things like that,
00:09:00.860 and you don't know what the reasonings are.
00:09:03.040 At that time, I think it could have been a little bit with the ICE agents.
00:09:05.620 And, by the way, he's about to call a nice agent,
00:09:07.660 so I don't know if you saw that whole thing about him approving it being a nice agent.
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