Valuetainment - June 17, 2025


＂The All Seeing Eye＂ - Why Did Trump Ask Palantir to Create a National Database of U.S. Citizens？


Episode Stats

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16 minutes

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205.42636

Word Count

3,445

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278

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

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Summary

Palantir is a $300B company that's mission is to help the government spy on billions of people around the world. It s built a system that allows them access to millions of documents and billions of dollars worth of data, and they do it by using a combination of human and machine intelligence. In this episode, we talk about how Palantir came to be, how it got started, and why the government should be using it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 How much do you know about Palantir?
00:00:01.760 How much do you know about the history of Alex Karp, the name, prior to that, CIA, when it started, the month after it got started, kind of weird.
00:00:09.380 Some of the people involved, you know, how now it's a $300 billion company.
00:00:13.600 Just a couple of years ago, it was a $15 billion company.
00:00:15.780 Stocks just skyrocketed.
00:00:17.200 I think I even recommended it a few years ago in one of the videos that I did.
00:00:20.120 Trump partnering up.
00:00:21.820 A lot of people with the California issue coming out saying, we should use Palantir.
00:00:25.600 Why?
00:00:26.220 Well, we have this technology called Gotham and Foundry.
00:00:29.840 One of them knows how to judge people's behavior, similar to Minority Report, which is kind of like a cool idea.
00:00:34.820 And then the timing of it when it came out is right after what some of the people were trying to do with the government, DARPA, in 2003, that they closed.
00:00:42.100 And they said, no, we're not doing this program, which I'll talk about later.
00:00:44.820 Month later, Palantir started with Alex Karp and Peter Thiel.
00:00:49.220 But the history of it's weird.
00:00:50.640 The most basic thing to be thinking about, the name Palantir, where does even Palantir come from?
00:00:55.080 Do you ever watch Lord of the Rings?
00:00:56.640 In Lord of the Rings, there's this thing called Palantir, which obviously a guy like me, who for sure is a nerd.
00:01:01.580 I follow all this stuff very, very closely.
00:01:03.440 The meaning of Palantir is seeing stones.
00:01:05.640 It's this stone that tells you what everybody in the world is doing today.
00:01:10.980 And they named the company Palantir.
00:01:13.640 So they're not even beating around the bush.
00:01:15.480 We're going to build Palantir to see what you're doing today.
00:01:18.780 That's kind of like somebody starts a, you know, old folks home called Hannibal Lecter.
00:01:24.080 And you're like, listen, send your father, send your mom, your parents.
00:01:27.060 They're going to be totally taken care of.
00:01:29.040 Why you guys call it Hannibal Lecter?
00:01:30.500 Who cares?
00:01:31.260 It's just a name.
00:01:32.460 Send them here.
00:01:33.400 They're going to live a long life.
00:01:34.820 They're going to be great.
00:01:35.500 They're going to be okay.
00:01:36.460 Send them to our place, Hannibal Lecter.
00:01:38.560 Middle here.
00:01:39.200 A lot of questions that people have.
00:01:41.800 We're going to dig a little bit deeper into seeing what the hell is going on with that.
00:01:45.300 So if you value out in this video, give it a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel.
00:01:55.580 I'm going to give you the notes at the end.
00:01:56.600 So hang tight on how to get these.
00:01:57.940 But who are your customers?
00:01:59.420 So you've got business customers and you've got government customers.
00:02:02.340 And when I say government customers, like $113 million contract that they get from the
00:02:06.240 government, including a $795 million contract that they got with the Pentagon and CIA, DHS,
00:02:12.420 all of that stuff.
00:02:13.020 At the same time, on the business side, you've got Airbus that uses this technology with Palantir
00:02:18.900 that they figured out a way on how to accelerate certain things from solving a problem of production
00:02:24.140 error from 24 days to 17 days that saved them hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:02:28.140 Ferrari uses Palantir.
00:02:29.780 Credit Suisse uses Palantir.
00:02:31.440 Merck and many others use Palantir.
00:02:33.180 So the technology of surveillance is actually impeccable.
00:02:36.900 When you run a company, you want to be able to do certain things to investigate who stole
00:02:41.020 from you, forensics.
00:02:41.960 We're going through it right now.
00:02:43.020 And we've gone through it for the last 15 years.
00:02:45.660 You need technology like that.
00:02:47.200 So it does that.
00:02:48.040 But that's company, right?
00:02:50.000 That you're doing that with.
00:02:50.740 Now imagine the government has access to technology, medical records, how you live, what you do,
00:02:57.500 what decisions you're going to make, minority report based on the way you're living and
00:03:00.860 the patterns of things you're doing.
00:03:02.340 It's most likely that in the next 90 days, you're going to get a divorce.
00:03:05.100 In the next 60 days, you could potentially kill somebody.
00:03:07.080 That's the few.
00:03:08.160 That the average person is like, well, listen.
00:03:10.320 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
00:03:11.180 This is great.
00:03:11.760 Well, what's the big deal?
00:03:13.420 It's just the company.
00:03:14.540 The skepticism with 20, 30% of people is that.
00:03:17.620 But let me explain to you what it does a little bit so you understand it.
00:03:19.700 So Palantir isn't just an improving old databases.
00:03:22.500 It's building what some experts are calling the most expansive civilian surveillance infrastructure
00:03:27.460 in U.S. history.
00:03:28.300 Instead of scattered files and spreadsheets, the platform will use real-time data integration
00:03:32.720 and artificial intelligence to profile behavior, detect fraud, and identify individuals or
00:03:38.020 patterns deemed risky by the system.
00:03:41.500 Deemed risky by the system.
00:03:43.580 The system deems you risky or not risky.
00:03:46.620 So the judgment's coming from the system saying, hey, this person's risky.
00:03:49.900 Be careful with this person.
00:03:51.160 You know, what we want to do with them moving forward.
00:03:52.980 At the core of the project, Palantir's Gotham software, already used by defense and intelligence
00:03:57.320 agencies, Gotham will now be used on the domestic front.
00:04:01.820 It doesn't just track information.
00:04:03.200 It makes judgments.
00:04:04.320 That's the key.
00:04:05.480 Judgments, right?
00:04:06.400 It could influence everything from how benefits are distributed to who gets flagged for closer
00:04:11.800 scrutiny by law enforcement and immigration offices.
00:04:15.140 This is why they're like, let's send Palantir to California and let's have ICE use it to
00:04:19.880 see who are these people and deport them.
00:04:21.640 Why don't we use that?
00:04:22.460 It's going to be a lot easier.
00:04:23.400 We can track all their behavior and everything they're doing to track them and get them back
00:04:28.120 to Mexico.
00:04:28.860 You hear these conversations taking place.
00:04:31.100 This has the capabilities of doing things like that.
00:04:33.780 Now, the founder, the CEO, Alex Karp, very interesting background.
00:04:37.300 He's not necessarily a biggest Trump supporter.
00:04:39.200 He supported Hillary Clinton in 2016, but it's not a big deal.
00:04:42.040 A lot of people supported Hillary Clinton.
00:04:44.040 Remember, Musk just became a Trump supporter a year ago.
00:04:47.120 It's not like Musk was a Trump supporter 10 years ago, five years ago.
00:04:50.260 So the criticism with that, maybe, yeah, he wasn't a Trump supporter.
00:04:54.380 You know, pro surveillance reluctantly.
00:04:57.340 Sometimes when he's doing interviews and giving the answers like, yeah, but we don't want to
00:05:01.060 do it.
00:05:01.280 And I'm a little bit reluctant about it.
00:05:02.780 And then also wary of Silicon Valley, he criticized big tech for undermining democracy and believes
00:05:07.740 companies should take clear moral stands and anti-authoritarian.
00:05:12.000 Now, you could be anti-authoritarian.
00:05:14.320 This guy 20 years ago was worth less than a million dollars.
00:05:17.040 You know what he's worth today?
00:05:18.020 12 billion dollars.
00:05:18.940 He's doing pretty good for himself financially.
00:05:20.540 It's one of the most powerful people in America today that no one talks about, Alex Karp.
00:05:24.100 You're going to hear a lot more about this name.
00:05:25.380 But a contact, Peter Thiel, business partner, now relationship with Musk, when they came
00:05:31.060 in and Doge started working with the government, those employees that were being hired to do
00:05:37.720 the work, a lot of them were former Palantir employees.
00:05:40.760 Now, why are they hiring Palantir employees?
00:05:42.020 Somebody could say they're brilliant.
00:05:43.760 They're very smart.
00:05:44.860 Somebody could say that was the way they were tracking wasted spending.
00:05:49.000 This is a report that came up about some of the employees that used to be working with
00:05:51.820 Palantir.
00:05:52.340 You see the names, software engineer at Palantir.
00:05:55.740 The other one over here that used to work at Palantir, again, now he's helping recruit
00:05:59.680 Doge members.
00:06:00.680 Somebody could say, well, what's wrong with that?
00:06:02.100 When Elon was, you know, trying to fix X, he brought a lot of Tesla engineers to help.
00:06:05.940 Yeah, that's a valid point.
00:06:07.260 But again, this system is one that goes surveillance and tracks all the data to see what you do.
00:06:15.060 They try to do this back in the days.
00:06:16.860 The history needs to be told before we get here.
00:06:19.180 So why don't we just do that?
00:06:19.860 Why don't we go a little bit into the history?
00:06:21.300 And we know Peter Thiel, probably one of the most powerful names that doesn't get enough credit.
00:06:25.380 This guy's brilliant.
00:06:26.600 He was one of the guys that was able to figure out a way to put money into a Roth IRA that
00:06:29.540 led to $6 billion that he didn't have to pay taxes on.
00:06:32.100 And everything was kosher.
00:06:33.380 Nothing he did there, according to a lot of the studies and research that was done.
00:06:37.140 This guy was a pro-Trump guy.
00:06:38.440 He, at one point, I think, wanted to build a country on an island of its own, libertarian
00:06:42.860 beliefs.
00:06:43.580 Also, I think he's a PayPal mafia guy.
00:06:45.440 Super, super brilliant.
00:06:47.260 And he's one of the guys last minute that had certain connections with J.D. Vance, that
00:06:51.240 he was fans of J.D. Vance.
00:06:52.620 I think he even helped fund J.D. Vance at one of his businesses.
00:06:55.700 There's very close ties where even some people say that's kind of how, you know, J.D.
00:07:00.780 He got into the picture with Theo Jr., all of that kind of came together to now.
00:07:04.460 History of surveillance.
00:07:05.380 Let's go back to it.
00:07:06.040 50s and 70s.
00:07:06.980 The CIA begins experimenting with mass data collection and surveillance during the Vietnam
00:07:10.480 War, laying the groundwork for future domestic applications of military tools.
00:07:15.640 1980s.
00:07:16.280 There's this company called Promise, comes out with the software.
00:07:19.080 It's so great the government decides to buy it and then, boom, they bankrupt the business,
00:07:22.640 but they take the technology.
00:07:23.780 The software was developed by Inslaw and under DOJ contracts stolen by the U.S. and Israeli
00:07:29.020 intelligence.
00:07:29.680 Very interesting.
00:07:30.140 What do you mean stolen by the U.S. and, you know, Israeli intelligence?
00:07:33.340 Promise became the prototype for surveillance systems tracking individuals globally during
00:07:37.780 the Reagan era, including Oliver North, developed Maine Court.
00:07:41.380 Keep that name.
00:07:42.180 Maine Court's going to come back up again in a minute.
00:07:44.220 A classified database of American labeled as potential dissidents intended for use during
00:07:48.580 continuity of government emergency, COG.
00:07:52.160 John Poindexter, again, remembered that name.
00:07:55.040 Reagan's national security advisor is convicted for his role in the Iran-Contra affair.
00:08:00.220 Later on, he was overturned.
00:08:01.600 On appeal, he was good to go.
00:08:02.720 But this is a 1990.
00:08:03.900 Remember, 1990, the program Maine Court, keep those two in mind because we're going to come
00:08:08.740 back to this later on.
00:08:10.500 Okay?
00:08:10.840 Now, 2001, 9-11, and the surveillance state expansion.
00:08:15.840 Maine Court is reportedly accessed by the White House.
00:08:19.680 Maine Court 2011.
00:08:21.500 Maine Court 80s.
00:08:23.020 Reagan era all over North.
00:08:24.260 Think about how many years later, 20-plus years later, give or take, 15-plus years later,
00:08:29.080 this comes back up.
00:08:30.660 Then DARPA launches Total Information Awareness, TIA, under who?
00:08:34.700 John Poindexter to build an all-seeing surveillance system.
00:08:38.640 CIA, CIO Alan Waite supports TIA, introducing concepts like selective revelation and audit trails
00:08:46.080 for privacy shielding.
00:08:47.900 Okay?
00:08:48.920 So, they've been trying to do this for a long time.
00:08:51.980 You know, the same thing with the seeing stones in the hands of a good person could do good.
00:08:56.180 If the wizard's a good wizard, hey, I can do good with this.
00:08:58.700 But what typically ends up happening?
00:09:00.080 You know, ends up being maybe a wizard that was a good guy.
00:09:02.800 So, a wizard like Saruman, who at one point was a good guy, then becomes a bad guy.
00:09:06.400 Right?
00:09:07.080 So, you have access to this power.
00:09:09.360 Like, man, I can control the world.
00:09:11.480 Man, I can make sure nothing happens with this.
00:09:13.620 In a movie, Book of Eli, one guy, Denzel Washington, looks at the Bible, man, I can set people free.
00:09:19.500 Another guy looks at the Bible, he's like, I need this Bible because with this I can control people.
00:09:24.140 Same book, two different people, two different purposes.
00:09:26.880 So, some could say, what's wrong with you?
00:09:29.900 Palantir can help find the bad guys and all this other stuff.
00:09:32.420 In the hands of who?
00:09:34.000 The good guy.
00:09:34.640 So, you may have voted for Trump, you're like, dude, Trump's in charge, I'm okay with this.
00:09:38.060 Trump's not going to be in charge forever.
00:09:40.080 What if an evil president comes in?
00:09:42.200 What if an evil, you know, administration comes in?
00:09:44.940 Then what can they do?
00:09:46.220 Then can they just kind of say, hey, this guy is very vocal, is against us, judgment.
00:09:51.080 That guy's going to jail for 20 years.
00:09:52.460 We're going to say that the software said, this guy's about to commit a crime, he killed seven people, put him in jail for 20 years.
00:09:57.280 What?
00:09:58.740 That's the fear of where people are going with this.
00:10:01.200 Make sense?
00:10:01.580 You kind of lose your liberties and your freedom.
00:10:04.680 That's a little, but they've been trying to do this for a while.
00:10:08.500 Reagan's a good guy.
00:10:09.820 They've been trying to do this for a while.
00:10:11.780 But you have to think about a bad guy could one day take over and see what happens next.
00:10:15.900 So, then, 2003, you ready for this?
00:10:17.700 TIA shuts down.
00:10:18.820 And this is the whole DARPA deal that we're talking about.
00:10:21.100 You know what starts a month later, give or take?
00:10:23.080 Company called Palantir.
00:10:24.020 And when Palantir got started, Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, all these guys, when that got started, it's like, well, what were they going to be doing?
00:10:30.440 And originally, it was aimed to apply PayPal's fraud detection to counterterrorism post 9-11.
00:10:36.160 Remember, these guys are PayPal people, right?
00:10:37.920 They're coming in.
00:10:38.400 So, 2003, Peter Thiel, co-founder Alex Karp and others, backed by who?
00:10:43.340 In-Q-Tel.
00:10:44.080 Who's in-Q-Tel?
00:10:45.240 It's CIA's venture capital arm that invests in different technologies.
00:10:49.500 CIA's like, yeah, you guys going to do something like this?
00:10:51.480 Here's some money.
00:10:52.160 Build it.
00:10:52.500 We'd like to take advantage of something like this years later.
00:10:55.560 And somebody, Thiel, is behind it.
00:10:56.920 Again, Thiel, good guy.
00:10:59.120 These people may be good guys.
00:11:01.120 But if it eventually gets into a bad guy's hand, then what happens?
00:11:04.180 What if one day, Wizard, a person turns and says, no, no, no, I hate these people.
00:11:08.480 I have power.
00:11:09.440 Watch what I'm going to be doing.
00:11:10.780 Scares the crap out of everybody, right?
00:11:12.500 Especially with these folks that have all this money that they can do different things.
00:11:15.260 But so now ICE contracts.
00:11:16.360 Palantir supported Homeland Security investigations.
00:11:18.300 A division of ICE, despite claims of not aiding deportations, its tools were mission-critical to targeted raids.
00:11:24.560 Protests erupted in 2019-2020, including outside of Karp's house, by the way.
00:11:28.640 Activist group, Mijente-led opposition, likening Palantir's role to aiding in human rights violations.
00:11:35.060 And then, by the way, again, this is the part when it comes down to predictive.
00:11:38.280 Privacy and surveillance, it was used in predictive policing for LAPD, NYPD, NOPD.
00:11:43.800 Adopted it, but later dropped it.
00:11:45.640 So predictive, again, predictive policing, that makes a lot of people uncomfortable when they see this.
00:11:53.040 Very strong technology still makes people uncomfortable.
00:11:56.200 So the ethical dilemmas and public perception.
00:11:58.820 Karp claims Palantir was built to balance national security and civil liberties.
00:12:03.540 Critics, ACLU's Ben Witzner, views Palantir as enabling mass surveillance of citizens, ICE backlash versus military dependence.
00:12:10.440 Karp says abandoning ICE would break trust with military partners.
00:12:14.480 So, again, good, bad criticism.
00:12:17.460 We got a lot more we can talk about, but this is what they have right now.
00:12:20.280 Two countries they don't do business with, China and Russia, thank God.
00:12:23.320 As of right now, they don't do business with two countries.
00:12:26.140 I'll give you a couple other countries that use them.
00:12:27.940 French intelligence used Palantir after 2015 Paris attacks, claimed it helped prevent further incidents,
00:12:33.900 and the Danish government paid up to $41 million for a predictive counterterrorism platform.
00:12:40.720 Denmark is public knowledge.
00:12:42.420 The whole country uses Palantir.
00:12:43.660 A couple other examples.
00:12:44.740 J.P. Morgan, one of the former employees, used Palantir to spy on coworkers in 2018.
00:12:48.700 And even a few years ago with WikiLeaks in 2011, apparently employees linked to a smear campaign, Karp later had to apologize.
00:12:57.520 I believe it had to do with Glenn Greenwald, if I'm not mistaken.
00:13:00.420 So, Thiel, Karp, Musk, you got XAI, you got Palantir, you got Doge, all of that coming together.
00:13:08.920 Musk's leadership of Doge, while running XAI and X, creates a public private data pipeline where government data could enhance XAI's AI model,
00:13:16.520 hence the Grok that we all know about that, you know, many, many people use.
00:13:20.480 Colossus is a supercomputer developed by XAI, Elon Musk's AI company, to train large language models.
00:13:25.500 It currently develops the largest AI supercomputer in the world, located in Memphis, Tennessee, and is powered by NVIDIA Hopper GPUs.
00:13:32.740 Colossus was built in a former Electrolux factory and is being used to train XAI's Grok.
00:13:37.840 So, the XAI-Palantir-TWG partnership, March 2025, positions Musk companies to profit from Doge's data access, especially in financial services.
00:13:47.860 This partnership with XAI, Palantir, and TWG positions, potentially, Musk's companies to profit in a big way from Doge's data access.
00:13:57.160 Again, that's what a lot of people in the market are saying, that that's what could be happening here.
00:14:00.740 So, again, Gotham, one of the products of Palantir, used by intelligence and defense agencies.
00:14:05.080 Foundry, on the other side, that's used by corporations and civilian government agencies.
00:14:09.440 This is the kicker here with this.
00:14:10.960 Whenever you have a product like this that's being built, you always have to be thinking about, like, when the founding fathers, you know, built America,
00:14:17.880 and they wrote the Constitution, and George Washington had the opportunity to be a king, third term, he said, no, I don't want to do it, right?
00:14:23.840 And it was written in a way for this thing to last.
00:14:26.340 And, you know, democracies don't last a long time, because internally, the people are destroyed.
00:14:30.040 That being able to build something, that if we go the way we're going, somehow, someway, we just may make it to next year, 250-year anniversary of U.S.
00:14:37.740 4th of July, we're going to be 250 years old.
00:14:39.760 They built it that way.
00:14:40.860 When you get technologies like this that gets into the, you know, U.S. government, and it's being ran by people who, it's a free-for-all.
00:14:48.240 I don't know the level of regulations and controls that who has overdone.
00:14:52.180 We're getting to the point that, back in the days, it used to be where billionaires were the most powerful people in the world, in America.
00:14:58.900 America, Rockefeller, Chase, they would finance the U.S. government.
00:15:03.200 Then we went through a phase where presidents were the most powerful people in America.
00:15:06.580 We are back to the phase where billionaires, soon to be trillionaires, could potentially be ruling everything, because presidents are going to be needing them.
00:15:14.600 Because the government's now becoming customers of these big companies, not the other way around.
00:15:19.100 We're headed in that direction.
00:15:20.200 What that could look like is, I don't want to tell you what that could look like.
00:15:23.320 Just pray that these people are good actors, and they want to do the right things, and they don't want to use their power to control you and others out there.
00:15:33.500 But there's a reason why I have the brand, Future Looks Bright, because I'm convinced the future looks bright.
00:15:39.640 But there's 49% of me that also believes in only the paranoid survive.
00:15:44.280 This whole concept with this technology, very, very good to be able to catch the bad guy, get him out of a country.
00:15:50.080 Imagine if a terrorist that was supposed to do the next 9-11, and if Palantir can show that they did something like that, and that saves thousands of people's lives.
00:15:58.440 Is that a good thing?
00:15:59.120 Yes, what do we do 30 years from now, 60 years from now, to make sure this doesn't get in the hands of somebody who is evil, that uses it to destroy a society or a great country?
00:16:10.100 That's the part I am more concerned about.
00:16:12.440 But your thoughts, what do you think about it?
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