Valuetainment - The Best Treatment for Obesity, Diabetes & Cancer

00:00:00.240 One of the things we never realized is the very strong link between obesity and type 2 diabetes

00:00:07.040 and cancer like obesity and cancer it's a huge risk factor so that's how i got very interested

00:00:13.200 in the question of how do you get somebody to lose weight if you're fasting you're basically

00:00:19.200 feeding yourself through your own body fat which is literally the reason we have body fat is not

00:00:26.000 there for looks is there for you to use if you have nothing else so as a diet it really is the

00:00:32.160 ultimate in weight loss that creates a lot of questions for me though give the drug give the

00:00:36.480 drug get the drug like who's talking about the diets who's talking about how to lose weight because

00:00:41.440 it's not the doctors because there's no money behind that winds up being weight watchers and

00:00:46.320 jenny craig so who do we believe what can we do as the consumer to make sure we're being fed the right

00:00:51.760 advice it's only been done since the beginning of time and christianity judaism buddism hinduism

00:00:59.520 everybody has fast big pharma behind closed doors doesn't want these treatments to stop because

00:01:04.560 it's pretty profitable you had the same paradigm of here let me give you this drug to lose weight and

00:01:09.360 it doesn't work because you have to actually change the diet you actually have to change your lifestyle

00:01:14.400 state-of-the-art drug today most of the price tags are a hundred two hundred thousand dollars it's insane

00:01:21.280 the whole thing is so corrupt

00:01:26.560 my guest today has written many books but one of the books he wrote titled the obesity code got

00:01:32.080 10 237 reviews on amazon the second book he wrote the diabetes code has nearly 4 000 reviews and his

00:01:39.440 newest book coming out on november 10 titled the cancer code he is a doctor dr jason funk got his

00:01:45.680 undergrad from university of toronto and his specialty at ucla with that being said dr jason funk thank you so

00:01:51.040 much for being a guest on valutainment oh thanks for having me great yeah great to be here so i got

00:01:56.640 to tell you whether a person's an athlete a politician a business person married single divorced rich poor

00:02:03.600 middle class everybody wants to figure out a way to be healthy and live longer so i think we have the

00:02:09.040 right guests to kind of help us live a few years longer we're grateful for it but i got a few things

00:02:14.000 you i want to go with you i want to talk to you about cancer i pulled up a bunch of stats i got

00:02:17.600 some questions for you about cancer specifically since that's the book that uh we'll be spending

00:02:22.480 a lot of time talking about we'll spend some time talking about intermittent fasting because you

00:02:26.480 have done talks on that a couple of your talks i've gotten a few million views i think one of them

00:02:30.160 has got five or six million views and then obviously diabetes kind of goes with uh um all of these

00:02:37.920 kind of somewhat with obesity but let's start off with uh the first one which is your background on

00:02:44.800 how you all of a sudden decided to want to research these types of material what what inspired you want

00:02:49.680 to write and research obesity code or diabetes code or now cancer code yeah that's an interesting thing

00:02:56.960 because as a kidney specialist what happened was i went to medical school in the late mid to late 1990s

00:03:04.480 and at the time of course i wasn't really interested in nutrition that's not something

00:03:09.120 doctors really were taught you get really no training in medical school and not much in specialty

00:03:15.760 training either we got a lot of training in drugs and how to do dialysis for example but not not much

00:03:21.600 on weight loss but what happened of course is that over that period of time obesity just became a bigger

00:03:28.720 and bigger and bigger problem in the united states so you've probably seen all the stats in

00:03:34.240 terms of obesity is just basically going straight up since like the the mid-1970s and along with that

00:03:41.920 came type 2 diabetes so people who are overweight are at much higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes

00:03:48.560 and probably the number one cause of kidney disease by far actually is type 2 diabetes so that's really

00:03:56.640 where i started to see where i started to see a lot more problems with um you know the field that i was

00:04:03.600 in so it was interesting so i just treated people the normal way and but the thing is that it it was not

00:04:10.080 very satisfying that is people would get their kidney disease i treat them with drugs i treat them with

00:04:15.600 uh dialysis and so on and then they'd still get sick and eventually it struck me as very strange the way that we

00:04:22.640 treat uh type 2 diabetes and kidney disease because if the if the kidney disease is caused by the type 2

00:04:30.080 diabetes then the key is really to get rid of the type 2 diabetes and the thing that was strange is

00:04:35.360 that if you went to sort of any standard uh talk from a medical school or university they talk about

00:04:42.400 how type 2 diabetes was this chronic and progressive disease at the same time everybody knew it wasn't true

00:04:49.520 everybody i mean not just doctors but everybody knew it was just a basically a lie because if you're able

00:04:56.960 to lose weight then your diabetes almost always got better and sometimes completely disappeared so that

00:05:04.640 wasn't random everybody knew it and the problem was then not how to treat people with drugs the real the

00:05:12.640 real solution is how to get them to lose weight so that they don't get diabetes so they don't get kidneys

00:05:19.360 disease but it wasn't just kidney disease of course type 2 diabetes causes heart attacks causes cancer

00:05:24.160 causes amputations like it's the number one cause of blindness it's the number one cause of amputations

00:05:29.840 you get these diabetic foot infections that people need amputated there's all kinds of the number one

00:05:34.960 cause of nerve damage so it just caused all kinds of problems those are the problems that i was seeing in

00:05:40.400 my patients and i didn't want to treat them i wanted them to be better but the only way to do that was to get

00:05:46.080 them to reverse their type 2 diabetes which is possible because we know that and then therefore

00:05:52.240 they must lose weight so that's how i got very interested in the question of how do you get

00:05:57.920 somebody to lose weight and that's when i started to look back at the medical literature because my

00:06:02.800 advantage is that i could go back i could look through all the literature and of course the standard

00:06:07.360 advice for weight loss was and every doctor every dietitian would get this advice they tell people okay

00:06:13.840 well just eat 500 calories less per day and you're going to lose about a pound of fat per week okay

00:06:20.000 so this is the standard advice that we gave for the last sort of 35 years and it didn't work for anybody

00:06:27.680 okay and that just wasn't my it just wasn't my opinion right people were gaining weight people were

00:06:33.440 getting this advice they're trying to do it and then they were not succeeding so the point is that if

00:06:40.320 you actually look at big databases of how well this advice worked how how often people went from sort

00:06:47.840 of being obese to non-obese the success rate of this sort of treatment was about 0.5 percent in other

00:06:56.880 words about a 99.5 percent failure rate of this advice to just cut a few calories low eat a low fat diet cut

00:07:04.960 calories 99.5 percent chance of failure like what sort of idiot would give that advice that almost

00:07:13.680 never worked yeah and the problem of course was that it wasn't just medical every lay person everybody

00:07:19.840 in the country had practically done one of these diets and it almost always failed so then that's why

00:07:25.920 i started looking back at it and saying look what's going on here like this is the stuff that i was

00:07:31.040 taught i was brought up on and it wasn't true and it wasn't true for me either because i've done these

00:07:36.880 diets and it didn't work and didn't work for anybody so that's what the obesity code was really going back

00:07:42.800 and looking at this calories in calories out story that we had been fed and trying to look at it from

00:07:48.960 a very scientific standpoint and of course the whole thing is just garbage because the whole premise

00:07:55.760 of this sort of a calories is a calories idea is that you know if you eat 100 calories of cookies

00:08:04.880 and 100 calories of say an egg well they're going to be equally fattening okay but that's garbage it

00:08:14.000 doesn't it's not even true in any sense because the problem is when you take that food like you take a

00:08:21.920 cookie and put it in your mouth and you take that egg and you put it in your mouth the minute you put

00:08:26.240 it in the hormonal response of our body our body responds to that food completely differently if it's

00:08:35.120 cookies like carbohydrates or egg which is fat and protein completely different response from a hormonal

00:08:42.080 standpoint therefore the instructions that we are giving to our body from those foods is completely

00:08:48.720 different so for example you eat a cookie the hormone insulin spikes way up okay and what insulin does

00:08:55.920 is it tells our body to please store body fat store those calories as body fat that's its job that's

00:09:03.040 insulin's job is to tell our body to do that so when you eat the cookie insulin spikes up all of that

00:09:10.160 hundred calories go straight into our fat deposits that's being stored you eat that egg of course insulin

00:09:18.160 does not spike up nearly as high and therefore our body can use that energy they'll use it for

00:09:24.000 different things they'll use it to build muscle they'll use it to you know burn off because it's

00:09:29.120 not about the number of calories because your body when the calories goes in can either store it or it can

00:09:35.440 burn it but which one it does depends on the instructions that we give our body which are

00:09:41.360 different according to the different foods so you know when people say a calorie is a calorie it's like of

00:09:46.560 course a calorie is a calorie but i never asked you that question i never said is a calorie a calorie

00:09:51.440 it's like saying a dog is a dog it's like so what that's a nonsensical statement the question i really

00:09:57.040 want to know is are all calories equally fattening and that is not true so the point is that if you eat a calorie

00:10:08.720 of um cookies or if you eat broccoli they're not equally fattening right and your grandmother could

00:10:15.760 have told you that because if you eat cookies she'll say oh you're gonna get fat if you eat broccoli

00:10:21.600 nobody ever gets fat eating broccoli so that's just common sense right it's just common sense and it

00:10:28.960 doesn't dispel the myth of a calorie is a calorie because the point is that if you if your body has those

00:10:36.320 calories so you say you eat a cookie so you take 100 cookie 100 calories of cookie or you drink a big

00:10:42.240 gulp or something like some sugary soda right so you take 100 calories of a big goal well the effect

00:10:50.160 on our body is different one it's going to spike insulin it's going to go into our fat stores it's

00:10:54.720 going to store that energy but it's not going to make you full right so if you eat an egg or a little

00:11:02.000 piece of meat it will make you full so therefore the effect on the number of calories coming in is

00:11:08.160 totally different the effect on our bodies whether we store it or not is completely different and

00:11:12.800 therefore what we have to focus on is not the number of calories because we know that's a strategy

00:11:18.400 that has failed like not just once but it's failed over and over and over again right what we have

00:11:24.080 to do is concentrate on a strategy that is going to tell our body to use up some of this those those

00:11:32.320 calories that we've stored which is just body fat right and there's a number of ways that you can do

00:11:37.280 that you can change either you know really only one of two things you either change the types of food

00:11:42.880 that you eat basically the question of what to eat or you change how often you eat which is a question

00:11:49.280 of when you eat right and that's where intermittent fasting comes up because if you simply reduce the

00:11:55.760 number of times you eat in a day well that's going to change everything because by not eating you're

00:12:02.480 going to let your insulin levels drop as your insulin levels drop your body's actually going to pull those

00:12:08.240 calories out of storage and use them because that's what the body does this is a very interesting what

00:12:15.920 you're saying i got a bunch of notes and i got like five questions already for you and i'll go

00:12:19.760 through one of them and that doesn't include the other four pages of notes that i have but let's get

00:12:23.680 right into it so uh uh first things first is you know you you explain a lot of things right now and

00:12:30.560 it prompted three things for me number one i am not in the world that you're in i'm not a doctor most

00:12:37.760 people are not and and to me the world of looking at doctors is all of them sound convincing okay

00:12:45.840 they all sound convincing and as kids we've been raised to respect that one title dr period doctor

00:12:54.240 jason fung and we have to salute the doctor it's a lot of credibility we give it our parents wanted

00:12:58.960 us to be doctors growing up you're asian i'm middle eastern if you become a doctor you're a god in the

00:13:04.320 family right when you become a doctor that's how we were raised now you know would you say that to to

00:13:10.720 the consumer who's consuming this content is there an element of your world as doctors that there are

00:13:18.000 different religions because if we put five doctors there they all have fancy degrees they all could

00:13:23.600 believe in five different things and they're all convincing so who do we believe one minute do we go

00:13:29.760 this route of a diet one minute do we go that route of a diet one minute we go how what can we do as the

00:13:34.960 consumer to make sure we're being fed the right advice i think the best thing to do is use a bit

00:13:41.520 of common sense and you have to think and you have to look through the test of time so if something has

00:13:48.640 withstood the test of time then you know it's fairly decent advice okay so you look back at the 70s and i

00:13:56.400 always choose the 70s because this is a time where there's not a lot of wide it's not there's not widespread

00:14:01.520 in the united states it's you know it's fairly advanced i mean but there's at the same time that

00:14:07.200 there's relative availability of food there's no obesity and the question is why like what did they

00:14:14.480 do differently then compared to what we're doing now and of course the big big change came in 1977

00:14:23.920 which was the change to eat a very low fat diet right so in 1977 the dietary guidelines for americans

00:14:31.120 came out and all of a sudden all of us were told that we should eat less fat which was the equivalent

00:14:38.320 of telling people to eat more refined carbohydrates so if you look back at the first uh food pyramid

00:14:44.000 at the bottom of the pyramid there's bread and there's rice and there's potatoes you know and it's

00:14:48.480 like eat seven or eight servings a day sort of thing right seven to eleven i think servings a day

00:14:53.280 it's like who thinks eating seven slices of white bread a day is slimming like it's not it's not very

00:14:58.640 slimming because now we look back and say okay well you know eating a bunch of french fries and

00:15:03.680 potato chips and you know bread is not very good and you can say well those are all refined foods

00:15:09.440 as well but that's what was on the pictures right was the that's the white bread and so on so you have

00:15:14.400 to say okay well that was one of the big changes that happened so if we simply go back to a more

00:15:19.360 traditional way of eating are we going to be able to sort of regain this sort of effortless uh maintenance of

00:15:26.640 our weight and you'd have to say well that's probably true so this sort of whole low fat thing

00:15:31.200 that came out of the 1970s was the big change prior to that of course people ate fat they ate cheese they

00:15:38.560 eggs and all this sort of stuff um and it's interesting because again if you look at the

00:15:43.600 big scientific data of the time um in the 70s people ate three times a day breakfast lunch and dinner

00:15:50.960 and by the 2004 when you look at the big surveys most americans were eating closer to six times a

00:15:57.840 day so breakfast snack lunch snack dinner snack so again big changes in both what we ate and when we

00:16:05.840 ate now they were related in some sense that is people who are eating a lot of refined carbohydrates

00:16:10.800 you know you eat uh you know if you ate steak and eggs in the morning you're pretty full until lunchtime if

00:16:16.160 you ate two slices of white bread and jam you're sort of ravenous by 10 30 and looking for a low

00:16:21.280 fat muffin so people started eating much more frequently so the thing is that what i'm talking

00:16:27.840 about mostly is going to back to sort of a 1970s style diet which of course people have been eating

00:16:34.560 all the way prior to that which is not a low fat diet which is basically eating natural foods eating the

00:16:41.200 fat like you know this whole thing about eating low fat cutting out the butter and cutting out the

00:16:46.000 cream and stuff that didn't exist before 19 the 1970s because people didn't care about that stuff so

00:16:51.680 much um and the you know eating fewer times in a day cutting out the snacks and then again if you

00:16:58.640 wanted to lose weight then you try to change either what you ate or when you ate including the whole idea

00:17:05.840 of fasting which became a really dirty word sometime i think in the 1990s and uh is because everybody

00:17:15.040 started eating six seven times a day and then you started to hear the advice from dieticians oh you

00:17:19.840 should eat six small meals a day it's like okay prior to 1970s nobody ate six meals a day no at no time

00:17:30.400 in history did anybody eat six times a day right you think somebody in you know the 1500s you know some

00:17:39.520 monk who's busy all busy all day praying and working the fields is going to have a snack and you know

00:17:45.600 bring out his granola bar he didn't do that right that wasn't something that we did so if we start

00:17:52.160 introducing these sort of newfangled diets like the low-fat diet like eating six times a day well those

00:17:58.320 haven't withstood the test of time as opposed to eating three meals a day natural foods and if

00:18:05.040 you want to sort of push it well you can skip a meal because remember in the 1970s if you were an

00:18:10.880 naughty boy you got sent to your bed without dinner you basically fasted for 20 hours from noon until

00:18:18.000 the next day and nobody died nobody had any problems right it was fine yes you're a little

00:18:24.880 hungry and hopefully you'd learned your lesson but that was it that was it so if you wanted to

00:18:29.920 lose weight you could simply change one of these levers and say you know what i can fast because if

00:18:35.600 i don't eat what's going to happen well my body is going to be forced to use the calories that have

00:18:42.480 been stored which is body fat that's perfect so then you say okay well fasting that's interesting is it

00:18:50.400 a newfangled idea no it's only been done since the beginning of time i mean you look at the bible

00:18:58.720 you look at the you know christianity judaism buddhism hinduism you know no question yeah everybody

00:19:07.200 has fasting right the greek orthodox church mormonism everybody fasts so it's not something that people

00:19:14.080 can't do it's been proven over and over and over that they can do it and what's interesting is that

00:19:22.000 up to that point it's considered up to the 80s and 90s it's considered very healthy practice

00:19:28.080 even when there's no obesity people are like yeah it's a great thing you cleanse out your body you feel

00:19:32.800 great right it's not super fun but it's it's there for you right in ramadan you have a month of fasting

00:19:39.440 fasting so and then after the 1990s it just falls off like everybody thinks it's like the worst thing

00:19:46.400 you can possibly do to your body even if you're 400 pounds i'm like what do you think body fat is there

00:19:54.560 for it's there for you to use as a source of energy if you have nothing to eat so if you're fasting you're

00:20:03.440 basically feeding yourself through your own body fat which is literally the reason we have body fat

00:20:10.560 it's not there for looks it's there for you to use if you have nothing else so we're just using it for

00:20:16.960 what it's supposed to be used for and we're giving our bodies the time it needs and that's what i started

00:20:22.400 working on probably five or six years ago and people boy they thought i was crazy but the the results

00:20:29.600 we saw were just incredible like people were coming off their medications or losing weight

00:20:34.640 their diabetes was reversing even early stages of kidney disease were first it was it was just insane

00:20:41.520 we actually wrote up a paper um and we we profiled these three people who had about 25 years of type 2

00:20:49.520 diabetes and like within a month and a half we practically had them off we had them off all their insulin

00:20:56.080 and had all three of them off all their medications and they actually became non-diabetic by the

00:21:00.560 definition of their blood work and you know years later they're still non-diabetic so 25 years of type

00:21:06.320 2 diabetes like reversed like that in a month right crazy just crazy stuff that that creates a lot of

00:21:14.080 questions for me though when you're saying that because i'm i'm i'm with you i'm on your side to see

00:21:19.280 what's going on over here but there's but let me play the devil's advocate here just to kind of see where

00:21:24.080 you go with this so on one end when you look at diabetes the global prevalence of diabetes

00:21:30.400 amongst adults 18 years or over uh has increased in 1980 from 4.7 percent to now eight and a half

00:21:39.360 nine percent so it's doubled you're in that world i'm giving you stats that you know about the number

00:21:44.160 of people with diabetes from 2000 from 1980 to today 1980 we had 108 million people with diabetes

00:21:53.520 today it's 430 million people so that thing is nearly 4x but the population in 1980 was only at

00:22:02.240 4.34 billion today it's at 7.7 that's not even doubled but diabetes has gone 4x right so we're

00:22:08.720 looking at some of this data but then at the same time on the opposite side which is kind of weird

00:22:14.240 is in 1970 average life expectancy was 67 years old and then today the average life expectancy is 79 years

00:22:22.800 old so if we were eating three times a day in 70 and we're living 67 years old and we're eating six

00:22:29.280 times a day and we're living 79 years old how does that how do you take that because some people may

00:22:34.640 come back and say well doc i'm with you but man we're living longer shouldn't that be a better sign

00:22:38.880 that we're making progress what would you say to that yeah we are actually making progress but in in

00:22:43.760 different diseases so if you look at what killed americans it was much different that is a lot of

00:22:51.280 infections so you look at the antibiotics for example antibiotics were only developed that i mean that

00:22:56.800 was one of the major major changes of of uh post you know the post-war era right so they're developed

00:23:03.280 just before 19 uh the world war ii and then of course the use really boomed during world war ii and then it

00:23:09.680 sort of took off so the the stuff that was killing americans was a lot of infections so remember

00:23:16.240 there's tons of um measles and mumps and polio you know the iron lung and you had pneumonia was killing

00:23:25.360 people um you know if you're talking worldwide diarrhea with bad water and stuff was killing i mean

00:23:31.600 it still kills a lot of people but it was killing a lot of people back then so you had all these infectious

00:23:36.480 diseases so that was really the diseases of the 20th century so if you look at the you know from

00:23:42.240 1900 to 2000 uh for most of the first sort of two-thirds of that a lot of infectious diseases so

00:23:50.320 therefore the you know if you if you got a bad infection in 1970 you had like sort of three

00:23:55.920 antibiotics and if they didn't work you were sort of out a lot makes a lot of people died um you look

00:24:02.480 at heart disease also so again if you look back at the 70s the standard treatment for heart disease

00:24:08.800 if you had a heart attack for example was strict bed rest which was actually just killing people

00:24:13.520 right you they literally lay you in bed for two weeks while you you know basically got worse now of

00:24:21.040 course we don't do that i mean you had a heart attack they want to walk around and make sure you

00:24:24.720 exercise and all this sort of stuff smoking was bad right a lot of people smoked they got all this

00:24:29.520 disease so there's a it's a different type of disease but as those started getting better so

00:24:34.000 of course as those are getting better the life expectancy went up because um because you're you're

00:24:38.880 you're a better able to treat all those diseases but then other diseases started to increase in

00:24:44.000 prevalence so you know somebody who for example died of pneumonia may never have gotten live long

00:24:50.240 enough to get type 2 diabetes so now you're starting to get these other diseases that are cropping up

00:24:56.000 which are more associated with aging so things like type 2 diabetes heart disease cancer now really

00:25:02.560 start come to the forefront so if you look at overall mortality overall survival yes we're making

00:25:07.840 progress we definitely are on a global scale but if you just look at the sort of diseases that are

00:25:13.600 important now obesity type 2 diabetes heart disease of course we made a lot of progress stents and

00:25:20.240 you know heart transplants and there's a lot of progress in medicine it's just that where the big

00:25:26.160 change was was that in those diseases of the 20th century the paradigm of treatment was completely

00:25:34.640 different that is if you got sick you went to the doctor you had an infection he says here take these

00:25:41.360 antibiotics go get better or you get an appendix here i'll do surgery you go get better now you take that

00:25:47.520 paradigm of here let me give you a pill or here let me do some surgery on you and now you apply it to

00:25:52.560 a chronic disease like type 2 diabetes and it doesn't work at all for obesity it doesn't work at all

00:25:58.960 because what happens is that there's all these obesity drugs that have failed because you had the

00:26:03.440 same paradigm of here let me give you this drug to lose weight and it doesn't work because you have to

00:26:08.000 actually change the diet you actually have to change your lifestyle that's the only way you're going to

00:26:13.040 get better because these things are not genetic because we know that they've increased like type 2

00:26:17.280 diabetes increase a lot but the genetics of the human population have not changed in that period

00:26:23.040 of time so it's a lifestyle disease obesity same thing right it went way up during the from the 70s

00:26:30.640 on it's not that there's no genetic change so it's a it's a lifestyle disease it's not a drug uh you know

00:26:37.680 a drug deficiency or it's not it's not something you can just do some surgery on and make better but you

00:26:44.080 have to change your paradigm say in order to get better we don't need more drugs we need to get

00:26:49.200 the right information so that we can change our lifestyle we can change our diet we can incorporate

00:26:57.760 fasting for example and now you can make some progress because you're applying the right paradigm

00:27:03.840 which is this is a chronic lifestyle disease therefore i need a chronic lifestyle treatment right so before

00:27:10.080 in the 20th century it's all you need this drug now it's about this is a dietary disease therefore

00:27:18.480 you must have a dietary treatment that is the only thing that is going to make sense

00:27:24.160 got it that makes sense and you know in a way as somebody who runs business you you look at

00:27:30.160 all your processes that you run and the standard operation procedure you're looking at everything

00:27:36.080 saying what can we do to make this thing more efficient how can we make this thing faster

00:27:39.680 make can we get this process done in half the time or even save a minute or two or three minutes

00:27:44.960 this is almost a way of getting people to be living longer so we gone we went from 67 to 79

00:27:51.200 and we may have improved in certain areas but that doesn't mean we're improving in other areas so

00:27:55.760 what that makes me question is the following is on one end as you're going through it and you're talking

00:28:01.920 about it and you said my way of doing treatment was what i was told to do and i realized i don't

00:28:07.200 know if this is the solution on treating things it sounded like at one phase you were almost frustrated

00:28:12.400 which influenced you to want to do a little more research when i get a friend and i'll say you know

00:28:17.200 pat i'm going through really challenging times i'm depressed all this stuff i'll say listen have you

00:28:21.200 sat down and talked to somebody no go see a therapist or go see a psychiatrist or somebody okay go

00:28:27.280 uh recommend to somebody and they go to them and it's as if psychologists nowadays their number one

00:28:34.320 thing they do is what here's zoloft here's prozac here's this take this right or you tell somebody

00:28:39.520 i can't sleep at night i'm having such a hard time sleeping and they go see a sleep doctor right and you

00:28:45.280 know say hey you need to take lowers that you need to take this pill to help you go to sleep at night

00:28:49.600 it's immediate medication question for you becomes the following is the way doctors are treating

00:28:58.240 patients in all different worlds is it is it is it is it the way it is today because of lack of

00:29:06.000 advancement is it the way it is today because the the method is kind of like well this is how we've

00:29:11.360 always done it this is how you treat them just do this so they're not willing to change a lot and

00:29:15.520 entertain new ways or is a part of it because there is the big sponsors of universities are

00:29:23.040 possibly bigger pharma that there's money in this thing as well to make sure that the

00:29:27.200 pills are being sold because that's a form of money being made and these things are very profitable

00:29:31.680 which one of those things is what makes you think i mean this is your world i'm just curious and i'm

00:29:37.280 being skeptical because that's the way i am is it lack of advancement is it we just don't want to

00:29:42.240 change this is how we've been doing and take our order and give this treatment because this is what

00:29:45.280 works or is it big pharma behind closed doors doesn't want these treatments to stop because

00:29:50.320 it's pretty profitable unfortunately i think the answer is the last one i think it's very profitable

00:29:59.680 so there's a ton of ways that doctors are influenced to prescribe more medications even when

00:30:11.440 it's marginally useful and you know if you ever speak to a doctor everything is very familiar so

00:30:18.560 you know you see these they you have these drug reps which will come in and they'll take you to dinner

00:30:24.160 right fancy dinner and they're not supposed to there's actually guidelines on this but they'll take

00:30:29.760 you to the fanciest place ever right and they'll treat you to a nice dinner and whatever and they get this all

00:30:38.400 the time so that's one way they influence you they do these talks for example and this is all through

00:30:43.440 medical school and it happens that you know i can go to dinner at a fancy restaurant literally five times

00:30:50.000 a week if i wanted to all for free like literally like two hundred dollar meals i would i could do that

00:30:57.120 free i just sign up like they'll do it no problem so the the thing is that they they they influence you in

00:31:05.440 very subtle ways and of course for the big pharma these are not by accident they know what gives

00:31:12.720 them a return on their investments and they know because they actually track every single prescription

00:31:19.920 that i write so i will write a prescription and i'll send it to the pharmacy and they buy information

00:31:26.560 from the pharmacy uh and do it for everything so every single prescription that i write they know

00:31:33.920 so when i go to some free drug dinner i actually don't go to any of these but i used to like 15

00:31:40.640 years ago so if i went to some free drug dinner where i got some free thing and they were uh promoting

00:31:47.440 some blood pressure pill they could see that immediately my prescription rate of that blood

00:31:54.320 pressure pill compared to another one which was probably cheaper and equally as effective yep went up

00:31:59.920 and that's that that's why they keep doing this and they keep inviting people out and then the problem

00:32:08.560 is that level of corruption moves all the way up so then the next thing they do is they you have you

00:32:15.280 get offered a role as a paid speaker so what they'll do is they'll give me a opportunity to give a talk

00:32:23.360 for dog for other doctors and they'll pay me and again i don't do this but i could do this if i wanted

00:32:29.040 to pay me fifteen hundred dollars for a couple hours to enjoy a nice dinner and and just talk to some

00:32:35.600 other uh you know uh non-specialists about a drug and it wasn't any random talk they would give you the

00:32:43.360 slide deck so they're like this is what you're going to say and unfortunately a lot of people do that

00:32:50.480 it's easy money it's a free dinner like two hundred dollars it's fifteen hundred dollars

00:32:56.000 and you get to feel like a big shot because you're talking to other doctors teaching other doctors

00:33:00.960 then you get up to the uh the professors and the people in the university they're not talking a few

00:33:08.320 hundred bucks here and there they're raking it in from big pharma so the big pharma companies are

00:33:14.080 sponsoring them they get these people to do studies where they get millions of dollars

00:33:19.120 and they get to do these things where they go to like conferences as part of the study

00:33:24.240 and it'll be like essentially a free trip to like vienna okay with dinner with your plane with your

00:33:31.280 hotel and because you're going to give a talk so now you're not talking about a few thousand dollars

00:33:36.880 they're getting stuff worth tens of thousands of dollars they're getting sponsorship for their studies

00:33:42.560 which is tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars and of course they will advance because

00:33:49.120 the pharma company knows that this doctor is very pliable to all this sort of bribery which is really

00:33:55.200 what it is it's basically bribery so a doctor who advances doesn't advance necessarily because he's very

00:34:01.920 smart but because he has a lot of people pushing him in the background with this money because if

00:34:07.360 you're bringing money to the university the university loves that right they're always

00:34:11.120 cash strapped so then all the people who are taking the most money from the pharma companies

00:34:16.160 get pushed up to the top and then you have things like these trials you know the things that we depend

00:34:22.160 on to make decision they're all run by the pharmaceutical companies right so it's like if you know this

00:34:29.040 so let's take antidepressants as an example so you know that antidepressants you have to produce

00:34:36.640 a study that show that it works in order for the fda to approve the drug which is fine that's the way

00:34:43.280 science is but a drug company they underwrite all the studies so the thing is that they get to choose

00:34:51.680 which studies they publish and which they don't so their strategy is to do say 40 studies and 20 of them

00:35:01.360 they'll just throw in the trash and then they'll publish the other 20 well which do you think

00:35:06.240 those 20 are the 20 that look the best yeah that makes sense and and and they've done they've gone

00:35:13.040 through somebody has gone through and sort of told the whole story of this and so it's it's fairly well

00:35:17.520 known but if it's sort of like if you flip a you know a coin heads tails heads tails and you throw out

00:35:23.280 all the tails you say see i get heads every time this is a great drug so if you throw out all the trials

00:35:29.280 that don't work and simply count the ones that do work well all of a sudden your drug looks great and

00:35:35.120 this is the exactly the story with antidepressants so the drug looks great and now you can go spend

00:35:40.080 money promoting it to doctors and say look look at the evidence the evidence says that this drug is

00:35:45.120 amazing right but then you get out there and says this drug doesn't barely even work and that's the

00:35:51.280 big problem so the the the sort of money goes all the way up i i i there's one study uh and the meg the

00:35:57.760 the journal articles that publish these studies they get a lot of money from pharmaceuticals

00:36:01.760 um if you ever read studies there's a huge list of conflicts of interest so for example in the sugar

00:36:08.320 industry what they found for example is that you know they took all the studies on sugar and they

00:36:14.240 divided that into you know the people that got money from the sugar industry and virtually every study that

00:36:20.800 the people who didn't get any money from the sugar industry found that sugar is not good for you but

00:36:25.520 there's a huge number of researchers who got money from the sugar industry who are like yes it's sugar

00:36:34.480 is not that bad for you so you know it's it's so like it's so corrupt the whole thing is so corrupt

00:36:42.960 like you can't even imagine it's like i look at it and i think how can people allow this like how can this be

00:36:49.760 legal it's it's insane that this stuff is allowable but the problem is that when when you allow this

00:36:56.400 sort of stuff now you get a biased point of view now you get all this information that's being funneled

00:37:01.680 down into the regular doctors on the front lines we're getting this information from the universities

00:37:06.800 not knowing that the whole system is corrupt sort of top to bottom and then you know doing because

00:37:12.640 they're generally good people most of my a lot of friends of mine are doctors and they're good people

00:37:17.040 but if the information they're being fed is that oh antidepressants are the greatest the greatest the

00:37:21.280 greatest the greatest these drugs are the greatest greatest greatest greatest then what are you going

00:37:26.720 to think your friends say that the specialists say that the university says that so you say here's the

00:37:30.880 drug here's a drug here's a drug and it should never have been like that it's the same for type 2

00:37:35.200 diabetes where people just say give the drug give the drug get the drug it's like well what about the

00:37:40.160 diet like who's talking about the diets who's talking about how to lose weight because it's not

00:37:45.600 the doctors you can bet your life on that because there's no money behind them it winds up being

00:37:51.520 weight watchers and jenny craig and all this stuff and i'm like come on where's the doctors like

00:37:55.840 where's our responsibility because losing weight is such an important part of health and yet you have

00:38:01.200 no doctors on the front line saying this is what you need to do this is what makes sense forget

00:38:06.160 the calories forget this yes you can fast of course you can fast like who doesn't want you to fast well of

00:38:11.200 course it's the drug it's the food companies right so they're all like yeah fasting is terrible

00:38:15.360 breakfast is the most important meal of the day never skip a meal eat six times a day have some

00:38:20.480 snacks if you can't eat drink this meal supplement it's like what the hell if you don't want to eat

00:38:26.880 that's crazy what you're saying but you got to realize like i'm not in your community and to me i'm

00:38:31.440 listening to this you know and i'm sitting there asking myself you're a doctor you seem reasonable

00:38:39.520 you seem believable you could be doing the additional stuff to make that 1500 bucks or 200

00:38:44.880 integrity is being compromised but in your world i also sense there's an element of if you don't do

00:38:50.560 what you're being asked then you're seen as a rebel then you're being ousted then if you're ousted you

00:38:56.080 don't get the additional stuff then if you don't get the additional stuff you could have negative reviews

00:39:00.400 written about you then if you get the negative reviews then it could hurt your practice

00:39:04.240 i mean it's it's a very uh risky type of a business to be in perfect example like what you just said

00:39:10.240 about intermittent fasting i'm in an office uh my cfo he is a believer of intermittent fasting if you

00:39:17.600 see what he looks like he looks like he's a brad pitt looking guy okay i mean in his job interview

00:39:23.600 when he sat in front of me says let me tell you why you should hire me i said why he says i'm 46 years

00:39:28.240 old and i ran a mile last week in 5 46 i said uh yeah i ran a mile last week in 5 46 i said no i'm

00:39:35.040 sorry 4 46 at 46 years old he ran a mile in four minutes and 46 seconds i said what he said i ran a

00:39:41.920 mile last week in four minutes and 46 you see his body and his wife you wouldn't believe it he's a

00:39:46.640 hardcore intermittent fasting guy so his office is right next to my wife's office she's the vp of

00:39:52.720 operations she is now a believer of intermittent fasting so i have to hear about this 24 7 so on

00:40:01.440 the flip side if you're saying that some of these guys that are big pharma people don't believe in it

00:40:06.400 i decide to go and pull up what they have to say about intermittent fasting in a negative way

00:40:10.880 this is what i pulled up tell me what you think about this so an article i read i said it says side

00:40:17.040 effects of intermittent fasting number one sleep disturbance a study done in journal nature and

00:40:23.120 science of sleep points to intermittent fasting causing a decrease in REM sleep so number one is

00:40:28.240 sleep disturbance number two you're feeling hangry which is hungry and angry number three brain fatigue

00:40:34.160 number four low blood sugar diabetics should avoid any kind of fasting diet now this is written by a

00:40:40.640 doctor by the way this article i was reading next one hair loss lack of protein or b vitamins can cause

00:40:46.320 hair loss next one changes in menstrual cycle per male clinic women who have excessively low body

00:40:52.640 or weight are prone to a condition called amenorrhea or the absence of menstruation excuse my pronunciation

00:40:58.720 of that word so that's menstrual cycle and the last one constipation so somebody hears a doctor like

00:41:05.280 yourself or somebody else say man intermittent fasting working then you see the article saying sleep

00:41:10.480 disturbance feeling hangry brain fatigue low blood sugar hair loss menstrual cycle

00:41:15.920 constipation how do you decipher between what's right and what's wrong and what do you have to say

00:41:23.120 about some of these side effects that's talked about with intermittent fasting yeah that's the thing is

00:41:28.400 that the if you look at what actually happens during fasting most of these are just myths so they they have

00:41:34.880 there's a lot of like brain fatigue for example that's not actually what happens so when you don't eat

00:41:40.480 and your certain hormones go down so the insulin goes down but other hormones go up and that includes

00:41:46.560 growth hormone which is what maintains your lean mass but also sympathetic nervous system and nor

00:41:52.000 adrenaline also go up so in fact you actually have better concentration when you're fasting compared to

00:41:59.120 when you're eating so it's very simple to think about it think about thanksgiving you have a huge meal

00:42:04.880 like are you really mentally sharp or do you just want to lie down on the couch and watch some football

00:42:09.760 right and if you think about it happens in animals too because if you're out in the wild would you

00:42:15.600 want do you really want to face that hungry wolf because the hungry wolf is not like fatigued and

00:42:22.080 falling down that hungry wolf is zoned in and ready to kill you right as opposed to the lion that just

00:42:28.080 day and it's like yeah go ahead right that's the thanksgiving guy so the point is that this is why

00:42:34.240 we survived as a species because if so think about it you're a caveman it's winter time and there's

00:42:41.200 nothing to eat so you go 24 hours without eating if your body starts to shut down that is mentally you

00:42:47.680 start to shut down physically you start to shut down well you're gonna die because it's even harder to

00:42:53.040 find food the second day if your body is shutting down and the third day is even worse right it's a

00:42:58.320 spiral down and the minute you don't sort of break that cycle you're dead right our body's just not

00:43:05.520 that stupid what we do instead is we switch our fuel sources so fasting is a way to switch from the

00:43:13.360 food that we eat to the food that we've stored on our body which is body fat and then our body actually

00:43:20.320 revs itself up so if you study uh metabolism so you study the number of calories you burn in a 24-hour

00:43:29.040 period for example so you and they did this study where they took people and they put them on a four

00:43:34.640 day fast so four days of zero to eat they measured how many calories they are burning before and after

00:43:41.600 so after four days of no eating they're actually burning 10 percent more calories than they were before

00:43:49.840 because your body is ramping itself up why because it wants you to get out there and hunt that woolly

00:43:55.840 mammoth that's the how you survive you switch fuel sources you ramp yourself up you go get yourself

00:44:02.160 some food that's the hungry wolf that's that wolf is so deadly because it's it's focused in right so

00:44:10.960 this whole brain fatigue it's just stupid the you know there's and through history you've heard this

00:44:16.240 so pythagoras the ancient greek mathematician he required his students to fast before coming to

00:44:21.040 class because he said if you ate you're like too stupid to figure out all this mathematics and there's

00:44:27.120 another great uh story in uh this book is a biography called unbroken um it was a is a memoir of this fellow

00:44:36.160 who got captured uh in in uh world war ii he was a fighter he was a bomber pilot so he got caught put

00:44:43.600 in the japanese prisoner of war camps so there they were literally starving like there's really nothing

00:44:48.800 to eat and what was interesting is that he's looking around and the the guy louis amperini he says you know

00:44:57.040 he sees people doing all these incredible mental things he says there's this one guy he learned

00:45:02.880 norwegian in a single week another guy reading books entirely from memory and he goes and there's

00:45:10.080 this line in this biography he goes that's the meant the incredible mental clarity of starvation

00:45:16.720 i thought wow those people who are literally starving themselves like they're starving because there's no food

00:45:23.440 to eat not fasting remember fasting is voluntary it's it's under your control but they were routinely

00:45:30.800 seeing these these things that were just incredible and that's why fasting has actually taken off in

00:45:36.240 silicon valley like if you look at the hotbed silicon valley is a huge hotbed you know why because there's

00:45:42.240 all these computer geniuses out there right they're they're building apple and they're you know high tech

00:45:48.320 stuff like really difficult stuff and they know they're smart enough to understand that if you give

00:45:56.800 yourself a little boost in terms of the mental abilities as you get with fasting that could be

00:46:02.960 the difference between being like facebook and being like my space right because it's so competitive

00:46:09.280 out there you want to give yourself every advantage so fasting is going crazy out there you know the ceo

00:46:14.960 of evernote and all these other people they're doing fasting because it could mean literally millions of

00:46:20.560 dollars in their pocket uh if they're if they you know it's like steroids for the brain right so so

00:46:26.800 they're doing it and while everybody else is oh you're going to get brain fatigue it's like no your

00:46:31.280 brain's going to work just fine remember your body has the ability you know we've evolved this ability

00:46:38.880 to use that fat that we carry so another thing is that you know you mentioned that people get

00:46:44.320 amenorrhea if your body weight is too low well if your body weight is too low you shouldn't be fasting anyway

00:46:50.560 right that makes no sense so it's the same with anorexia if you have anorexia nervosa then no you

00:46:56.480 shouldn't be fasting it's all about where you apply it right so you're not going to use fasting

00:47:01.760 in a 16 year old girl who weighs 60 pounds but you are going to use fasting in a 60 year old man

00:47:08.560 who weighs 350 pounds and has type 2 diabetes right so they write about fasting and oh look there's 60 years

00:47:15.200 60 pound girl did fasting and died it's like well of course she shouldn't have been fasting

00:47:21.200 so she should have been eating the other guy should be fasting so you have to know where to take it so

00:47:27.200 a lot of this stuff is just people who don't know and who don't want to listen again you know you have

00:47:33.680 to say okay well if you have questions well let's think about it like let's just use some common sense

00:47:39.440 have people done this in the past it's like yes you know so let's take ramadan for example literally

00:47:46.480 millions and millions of people do this for an entire month and they're fine they're not dying

00:47:55.840 the the the you know the religion is not dying because they're all having these heart attacks

00:48:02.080 and low blood sugar from from from ramadan they're doing just fine it's it's crazy and the buddhas you

00:48:09.920 know there's lots of buddhas and they fast all the time too and hindus fast and so it's like they're

00:48:14.240 they're not dying on the streets out there you pulled so many different stories to to validate your point from

00:48:22.000 math to a mental clarity of starvation to uh uh evernote ceo and facebook and the difference between

00:48:31.120 that to where you are now to the hungry wolf and let's the you know the food go away very interesting

00:48:38.480 now for for for those who are in the bodybuilding world i've interviewed a lot of mr olympia champions and

00:48:43.600 and uh that's a place of interest for me because i was in that world before what do you say to folks

00:48:50.640 who you know you hear where they say well the benefit of eating six times a day is your metabolism

00:48:56.640 is like a muscle it works the more it works the better and stronger metabolism gets the less you

00:49:02.160 eat if you skip breakfast and you don't eat breakfast your metabolism actually gets slower so

00:49:07.200 when you do eat it you store the fat more than if you would have eaten more often like six times a day

00:49:12.320 because you know bodybuilders they're supposed you know they eat six times a day a ton of protein a

00:49:17.120 ton of intake uh of food they bring in themselves to be able to you know uh keep that weight on what

00:49:24.000 do you say to those that say eating more often strengthens your metabolism eating fewer times it weakens

00:49:29.840 it yeah that's that's a very specific area so it's interesting because bodybuilders of course do need

00:49:37.120 to eat a lot because they're just burning a lot so you know these guys like the world's strongest

00:49:43.120 man i mean that's the the strength competition it's like boy if you look at what they eat it's a lot

00:49:48.800 it's eat a lot oh yeah and if you don't well you can't feed all that muscle so that's a very specific

00:49:56.080 situation in which case and we do actually work with a number of high performance athletes and the

00:50:01.120 problem is if you fast for any period of time you can't get the number of calories you need into

00:50:06.160 them but that's that's very specific i mean um it's it's not a situation that most of us are in

00:50:12.400 the bodybuilders it's interesting again because the two of the big proponents of uh intermittent

00:50:18.400 fasting from the sort of early period like uh in the two you know the early 2000s were actually

00:50:25.280 bodybuilders it was actually brought in this whole idea was really brought back to life by a couple of

00:50:31.040 bodybuilders uh martin burkin and brad pilon they were sort of led the way because they found that

00:50:37.680 in the cutting phase you know when you're trying to uh you know really look defined it was very

00:50:42.400 effective for them so and it didn't sacrifice a lot of the muscle so in terms of the metabolic rate

00:50:48.160 it's different because we're you have to look at the situation you're in so the eating more food

00:50:53.600 doesn't make your metabolic rate go up so remember the metabolic rate is exercise which is the voluntary

00:50:59.840 part but most of it is just the involuntary part which is how much energy your brain your lungs your

00:51:05.280 kidneys they all need energy to work and they can go up or down by about 30 percent but it's not eating

00:51:12.240 more that necessarily makes it go up or eating less uh you know it doesn't do that fasting is a different

00:51:18.640 way because if you simply cut a few calories a day uh you will slow down your metabolic rate and

00:51:25.840 this is the big problem when you have the standard advice of eat 500 calories a day less every day

00:51:33.840 and uh you'll lose weight you'll lose weight at first but your metabolic rate will go down so what

00:51:38.800 happens is that if you eat 2000 calories a day and you burn 2000 calories a day now you want to lose

00:51:45.440 weight so you go down to 1500 calories a day so you start losing weight which is great the problem

00:51:50.480 is that your metabolic rate starts to go down so now you're eating 1500 your body instead of burning

00:51:57.200 2000 now burns 1500 and the problem is that the if you haven't reduced if you haven't fixed the hormones

00:52:03.920 that is the insulin then you can't burn the body fat so therefore you can only burn what's coming in

00:52:10.240 which is the 1500 so what fasting does of course is it switches your metabolism from burning food to

00:52:17.280 burning your body fat so therefore you can eat you know zero calories on that day and still burn 2000

00:52:24.720 because you're pulling it all from that body fat so if you think about an analogy suppose you make

00:52:31.520 two thousand dollars a day and you spend two thousand dollars a day right now you only spend and you have

00:52:36.720 lots of money in the bank you have a million dollars in the bank right so if you go from

00:52:41.200 making two thousand dollars a day to 1500 but you can't get money from the bank you can only spend 1500

00:52:48.480 right that's the situation we're in if you're eating 2000 calories you've got 1500 but you can't access

00:52:54.480 those fat stores then you can only burn 1500 and that's why your metabolic rate goes down so the key

00:53:00.880 is how do you unlock those calories sitting in your body fat which are like 100 200 000 calories of body

00:53:08.800 fat like that's like the money in your bank you have to be able to get it out if there's no branch

00:53:12.800 you can't get the money out right there's the same thing and it's about fixing the hormones the insulin

00:53:17.920 so if you allow insulin to fall like with fasting or low carbohydrate diets as insulin falls you now have

00:53:24.720 access to those calories in your body fat because that's the way a body works so the body works

00:53:30.800 it's interesting you're either in a fed state so when you eat insulin goes up it tells your body

00:53:36.400 to store fat as you don't eat or when you fast insulin starts to fall and your body's going to

00:53:43.520 pull those calories back out of storage which is body fat and use them okay so this is what happens

00:53:49.120 every day so you eat you store body fat you don't eat you burn body fat and that's why you don't die in

00:53:54.960 your sleep every single night because during that period you're sleeping insulin is falling you're fasting

00:54:00.720 you're pulling those calories back out so if you if you have a situation where your your fed state

00:54:10.400 and fasted state are relatively balanced well you're balancing the time you're putting food in

00:54:16.240 and you're balancing the time you're getting food out so you're going to stay in weight but if you eat

00:54:21.600 all the time as we've done in the last 15 20 years well what's going to happen well you're

00:54:26.880 going to store energy more time than you're using it

00:54:31.120 so now if you want to change the balance you simply do more fasting and allow your body to use

00:54:35.600 the the body fat let's talk about that if somebody's watching this and you know they've

00:54:39.760 heard about a million times people are talking about around them they've read articles seen

00:54:43.520 stuff on tv if somebody wants to test this out for the first time ever how do you suggest one going

00:54:49.200 about doing intermittent fasting you have to understand that there's uh you have to build up to it

00:54:55.040 generally because you do have there's a bit of a if you've never done it there's about a two-week

00:55:00.480 period where you're going to have to get used to it because you're going to get hungry first of all

00:55:04.240 you have to understand that uh it gets easier and easier as you do it longer but the other thing is

00:55:10.000 that your body needs time because if you've never sort of gone long periods of time then you're going to

00:55:15.920 get a little bit you know hungry and angry and all that sort of stuff right but it's about two weeks

00:55:21.440 and then it goes away so there's that period of adaptation so you can sort of ease into it so you

00:55:28.000 start by cutting out snacks the other thing uh and then you go to like you know a time restricted

00:55:33.360 eating which is like 16 hours of fasting so you eat for eight hours of the day and then you can keep

00:55:39.040 going more you can go to 20 hours or 24 hours of fasting so you can sort of ease your way into it or

00:55:44.720 you can just jump in the other thing that makes it easier is eating a low carbohydrate diet tends to

00:55:49.600 make it easier to get into the fasting because eating more of the fat and the protein tends to keep

00:55:55.840 you full for longer so it's easier to sort of stay full for the period of time that you need to so

00:56:01.440 it and the other thing is just to get the right information so that's that's where i wrote the

00:56:07.120 books and also on the fasting method.com i have i have blogs for you know i think they go back to

00:56:12.960 like 2013 i had a weekly blog so there's tons of stuff at that so the website's the fasting method.com

00:56:20.240 we have a program there also to provide information and a community and all this coaching and all that

00:56:26.160 sort of stuff but there's a lot of free stuff on there too but you got the right information because

00:56:30.400 you need to know what to expect so if if for example one of the very common things is that

00:56:35.360 people get headaches when they start fasting so if you know that some people get headaches

00:56:41.360 and you know that they'll go away well then you can deal with it or constipation for example

00:56:46.000 constipation is very common because if there's less going in there's less going out so it shouldn't

00:56:51.440 be very uncomfortable but how are you going to deal with that you get the flip side too some people

00:56:56.480 actually get diarrhea when they start so again what do you do about that so again the body is

00:57:00.800 actually trying to dump water and sometimes you just dumping so much that you get this diarrhea

00:57:05.680 but also understanding that that you know hey you might get a headache and then when you get the

00:57:10.480 headache then then you know that hey i can expect it and i can expect it to go away so therefore you

00:57:16.000 know how to handle it as opposed to just jumping in and saying oh i got this terrible headache the first

00:57:20.560 time i did it is terrible so i'm never doing it again it's like well you didn't get the right

00:57:25.280 information of what to expect so you weren't able to sort of successfully go through because the point

00:57:30.960 of fasting is that you know diets are great but there's an inherent limit to most diets so if you eat a

00:57:40.000 mediterranean diet that's great but if you're not losing the way you want to lose you can't get more

00:57:47.280 you can't be more mediterranean right or more paleo or whatever if you're eating low carb it's hard to

00:57:52.720 be more low carb if you're vegetarian you can't get more vegetarian right there's an inherent limit to

00:57:57.360 that as opposed to fasting where there's actually no limit that is you can fast for 16 hours you can

00:58:04.000 fast for 16 days if you want to and the other thing is that is it is it going to work right that's

00:58:09.920 the other thing because you don't want to do a diet to lose weight if it's not going to work well

00:58:13.520 there's really nothing that works any better because you're eating zero so it's no everything

00:58:23.200 slow calorie it's not it's not you know there's no animal products there's no nuts it's zero you can't

00:58:31.360 get lower than zero so as a diet it really is the ultimate in weight loss there's no possible way you can

00:58:39.520 do better than zero so therefore it will work so it will work and there's no limit to how long you can

00:58:47.520 go so therefore that gives you a huge advantage because you can you can apply it and there's a lot

00:58:53.280 of other advantages too for fasting which is uh one of the reasons it's so powerful that is it it really

00:58:59.760 talks about the timing when to eat part of it it doesn't matter if you're vegetarian or paleo or keto or

00:59:06.880 whatever so you can you add it to any diet it's free so it doesn't cost any money right so if you

00:59:14.880 try to eat a keto diet and you're you know you're some poor guy and you know in the inner city and

00:59:21.200 you're sick well you can make yourself better for free because it actually not only doesn't cost money

00:59:27.840 but it doesn't it actually saves you money you don't have to buy food it's convenient because you don't have

00:59:34.880 to cook food you don't have to clean up you don't have to eat you don't have to shop yeah you're going

00:59:40.960 to get all that time back it's flexible that is you can do it anywhere anytime there's no inherent

00:59:48.160 limitation is it common for people to do it on wednesdays from 6 p.m till noon the next day is that

00:59:54.560 the typical schedule because that's when most people do it in the office here it can be any day

01:00:00.880 um you know there's a lot of different strategies so that sort of um sort of time restricted eating

01:00:08.720 which is just picking a time it's very effective especially you know if you do it with a group of

01:00:14.320 people so if everybody in the office is like you know what we're not eating between this and this

01:00:18.480 that's very effective because that is the secret to why people are able to fast because they did it in

01:00:27.120 groups right so if you're you know say it's lent and you know your priest is talking to you about uh

01:00:36.320 you know it's lent and you should fast well you're fasting your family is fasting your friends are

01:00:43.200 fasting everybody you know in this community is fasting well guess what you're gonna do it even though

01:00:49.920 you don't particularly like it it's gonna be easy because that's the easy way to go or ramadan

01:00:55.600 everybody in your family most of your friends are fasting because it's ramadan if you're gonna do it

01:01:01.600 if your office is doing it together that's fantastic that is probably the most important thing is to have

01:01:07.280 the supportive community of people who are like we understand the benefits and we think that it would

01:01:14.400 be great to all do this together and get healthier because what we're going to do is we're going to lose

01:01:20.320 some weight we're going to get our blood sugar down because when you don't eat your body is going to

01:01:25.040 burn up that blood sugar and that's the secret to type 2 diabetes because if you don't eat your blood

01:01:30.800 sugar will come down and you don't need medications anymore and you're going to get healthier for it

01:01:36.240 so that that that community that understanding that's sort of the most important thing so that

01:01:41.840 that wednesday from 6 p.m to the next day is perfect now what what can you do during that time what can

01:01:48.800 you have i hear water coffee that's all i hear yeah so tea is also a good alternative so in a classic fast

01:01:56.880 you're talking water only um but if you're talking for weight loss there's all kinds of other stuff you

01:02:01.840 could use that is fine so tea is great green tea is good uh green tea may actually be a little bit

01:02:08.320 better than most because it has certain antioxidants called catechins that actually help suppress the

01:02:15.680 appetite a little bit and you can get all sorts of herbal teas flavored teas i worked with a company

01:02:22.720 called peak tea to make these fasting teas that have all these sort of antioxidants and stuff coffee is

01:02:28.400 great but just avoid the sweeteners and the sugars some people think it's okay to take the sweetener

01:02:34.480 but the problem with sweeteners so these i'm talking about the zero calorie stuff the problem

01:02:39.680 with the sweeteners is that it generally wants it makes you want to eat so if you think about an

01:02:47.360 appetizer what an appetizer is is a small portion of food that makes you more hungry so when you take

01:02:54.320 something like you know sweetened so no calories but artificially sweetened when you take that your

01:03:00.480 body's like oh this is sweet and it acts like an appetizer so therefore it's going to make it harder

01:03:05.920 for you to fast if you can do it no problem but for most people they actually start to get cravings and

01:03:11.280 they start to get hungry and then it's going to make the fasting harder as opposed to the teas and the

01:03:17.600 coffees which generally will help suppress it the other thing is to understand that the hunger will

01:03:23.600 come but it passes so the studies in medicine we study something called ghrelin which is the hunger

01:03:31.280 hormone so the higher your ghrelin the hungry you feel what's uh so when you study people who do a 24

01:03:38.320 hour fast they get these blips of ghrelin so they get these periods of time where they get hungry

01:03:44.320 and when you don't eat so say you it's 12 o'clock you get the spike of ghrelin you're hungry it's

01:03:50.320 lunch time but you decide okay i'm fasting i'm not going to eat so when they measure the ghrelin

01:03:56.080 it actually doesn't keep going up so everybody thinks that hunger will go up up up it doesn't

01:04:01.840 it goes up for a little bit and then if you don't eat it just falls back down to baseline so you're hungry

01:04:07.680 at 12 you're hungry at one by four o'clock you're actually the same level of hunger as if you ate which is

01:04:13.920 very very interesting because what the body has done of course is taken the calories that it needed

01:04:20.000 out of your body fat so in essence you've eaten a meal out of your own body fat and therefore you're

01:04:26.240 no longer hungry or not any hungrier than you would have been before and it'll happen again at dinner if

01:04:32.800 you know your ghrelin is going to spike up you're going to get hungry but if you simply ignore it and do

01:04:37.760 nothing it will fall back down so at seven o'clock eight o'clock hungry by 11 o'clock you're at the

01:04:44.480 same level of hunger and having done a lot of these uh you know it's it probably takes a week or two to

01:04:50.640 get used to it then it totally is so what i tell people to do is that if you if you're used to eating

01:04:56.560 lunch and you decide okay i'm going to skip lunch i'm going to fast just get yourself a nice cup of hot

01:05:01.840 tea or hot coffee by the time you do that and finish it the hunger wave will have mostly gone

01:05:08.560 it's like a wave you just waves it crests and then it goes back down and then you ride out the other

01:05:14.000 side that's that's great to know this about a very interesting first hour of this interview

01:05:20.160 but let's get to the next party which is cancer you know cancer is uh uh uh something that i believe

01:05:26.400 every family somehow some way has been directly hit by it or indirectly hit by it by someone in their

01:05:31.040 family i have my grandmother my father's mother we lost due to cancer you know you wrote this book

01:05:37.760 cancer code that's coming out november 10 we're going to put the link below i pulled up some stats

01:05:42.160 just out of curiosity before we do this interview and and the biggest question i went up to american

01:05:47.680 cancer society to find out what causes cancer because you'll typically hear this conversation

01:05:52.240 coming up what causes cancer and different things came up smoking and tobacco diet and physical

01:05:57.600 activity sun and other types of radiation viruses and other infection and genetics so

01:06:03.040 this is american cancer society saying it you wrote the book cancer code based on your research what

01:06:08.960 causes cancer yeah that it's certainly true all of what they say um what i try to do in the cancer

01:06:16.320 code is sort of put it together it's more of a science book at the beginning and then i go into nutrition

01:06:21.440 in cancer because that's sort of how i got into it from the first place but the the first part of the

01:06:27.600 book is really talking about how cancer develops and you know tobacco and i talk about all those things

01:06:34.480 tobacco and diet and uh smoking and uh you know asbestos and soot and all these chemicals so those are

01:06:42.160 called carcinogens and the question is how do those carcinogens lead to cancer and what is cancer because

01:06:48.720 that's really the question so of all the sort of major medical diseases cancer is by far the most

01:06:56.800 mysterious because we've sort of figured out what causes a lot of disease so we have infections and

01:07:04.960 we have viruses uh we have uh if your arteries get blocked up you get a heart attack or you get a stroke

01:07:11.440 so we figured it out we really haven't figured out what is cancer because cancer is not this

01:07:18.160 extrinsic agent like a virus that comes in and attacks you it's actually like a perversion of our

01:07:24.720 own cell so if you have lung cancer that cancer is derived from your own originally normal lung cell

01:07:33.360 so what turned that cell which is normal like everybody has and turned it into a cancer cell and

01:07:40.560 that's the really interesting part because that's our thinking about that has changed over the years

01:07:47.520 so we initially thought of it as sort of a fluke like uh you know it just happens for no reason it

01:07:53.680 just grows too much so if it's a if it's a if it's a lung cancer and it grows too much well we're going

01:07:59.200 to devise ways to kill it so we have surgery for example we have radiation we have chemotherapy which

01:08:05.600 is drugs so that's the sort of classic and that still sort of forms most of what we think about cancer

01:08:11.440 treatments but really they're indiscriminate ways of killing people right so it's cutting like surgery it's

01:08:17.200 burning with radiation or it's poison like chemotherapy as we got into the 2000s people

01:08:23.200 started to think about uh genetics more and more so we you know cracked the genetic code and then we

01:08:29.520 got the human genome uh project which uh you know put out all the uh you know the entire genome of a human

01:08:36.480 being and then we said okay well cancer is a disease uh where genetic mutations will change so if you happen to

01:08:44.880 have a chance genetic mutation in a gene that controls growth well that can cause you to grow

01:08:50.800 too much so then we started to look for genetic mutations and it was initially very successful

01:08:58.400 uh and then we thought well if we simply look at the cancer we can find the two or three genetic

01:09:03.440 mutations develop these drugs to target these mutations and there it's all done right but and it worked

01:09:11.120 well for the first little bit so we developed a couple of drugs uh for breast cancer for a type

01:09:16.480 of leukemia fantastically successful but the problem was that as we started to look further

01:09:23.360 and further into this genetic mutation model we actually uh didn't uh get anywhere because they didn't

01:09:30.320 have two or three genetic mutations they had like hundreds of mutations so after the human genome project

01:09:37.600 they did this cancer genome atlas where they sequenced thousands of cancers to find out what

01:09:43.200 type of mutations there are and it turns out that if you have uh one cancer you might have a hundred

01:09:48.240 different genetic mutations and the person next to you with the exact same cancer would have a hundred

01:09:52.960 completely different mutations so all over the place it was complete like bedlam it couldn't make

01:09:58.880 any heads or tails of it but the important thing from from that standpoint is that you can't treat that

01:10:05.040 because you can't get a hundred different drugs for one person and a hundred completely different

01:10:10.480 drugs for the next person it just isn't possible so that sort of brought that whole genetic paradigm to

01:10:15.840 a grinding halt um and that's where most people think we are but it's actually we've actually gone much

01:10:22.720 further than that so we've gone the next step and said well if if genes are mutating we know they're

01:10:28.560 mutating what is driving this mutation and it turns out it's likely an evolutionary process so it's a

01:10:35.840 response probably to chronic injury as you get this chronic injury like tobacco smoke like radiation

01:10:42.880 your body starts to go back and the cell becomes more primitive more like a solitary like a single celled

01:10:50.800 organism that is we're all our bodies are composed of multiple cells but you know we have to work as

01:10:58.320 a team so your lung has to work with your liver right and the liver all the liver cells have to work in

01:11:03.520 conjunction with blood cells and so on so it's all a team so cells have to cooperate with each other

01:11:09.760 when you get this sort of chronic damage to the cells you get basically lose this law and order

01:11:16.240 what you get is like anarchy so in this anarchy of you know the lung or the liver wherever you're

01:11:23.360 getting this damage the certain cells can sort of break off on their own and become like single celled

01:11:31.520 organism which is much like you know in a city where there's you know total chaos you know police have

01:11:37.280 gone you get looting and all this because everybody's looking out for themselves so instead of cooperating

01:11:42.320 with just these cells actually start to behave more and more like they're out you know every cell for

01:11:49.360 itself and that's when it becomes dangerous because the cells who are out for themselves they grow right

01:11:56.400 they because that's what they want to do they move all over the place just like a bacteria will move all

01:12:01.680 over the place so these cells can metastasize and there's no controls on this growth so normally we

01:12:07.680 control the growth of liver very tightly that is the liver is a certain size and won't grow any bigger

01:12:14.400 but these cells that are we've sort of lost control of they they behave like their own organisms so

01:12:20.960 they're basically just grow as much as they can and that's the danger but that paradigm is very powerful

01:12:28.400 because it leads to sort of the next level in terms of what our treatments which is now we're talking

01:12:35.200 about immunotherapy where what we want to do is not just indiscriminately kill but we want to get you

01:12:41.600 know strengthen the immune system sort of like a police force to go in there and hunt these bad bad

01:12:50.560 cells as opposed to indiscriminately killing everything right you're not trying to carpet bomb

01:12:56.080 you know cells into submission what you're trying to do with immunotherapy is go in there and treat it

01:13:01.920 so that's that's the sort of idea of what is causing cancer it's sort of an interesting story

01:13:07.120 of how to think about cancer and then we talk about and then i talk about nutrition and cancer because

01:13:12.800 again one of the things we never realized until about the year 2000 is the very strong link between

01:13:20.640 obesity and type 2 diabetes and cancer like obesity and cancer yeah obesity and cancer it's a huge risk

01:13:29.680 factor so when they look at the attributable risk for a certain um thing so they look at say you take

01:13:37.360 a population and what percent uh attributable risk risk factor is so you say tobacco tobacco is about 35

01:13:47.120 the diet is about 30 to 35 as well so it is as big a risk factor to cancer in general

01:13:55.280 um as tobacco nothing else comes close like not radiation not anything so the question is what

01:14:03.760 part of the diet is it it's mostly the part that leads to obesity so it's not all cancers like lung

01:14:10.240 cancer makes no difference tobacco smokes makes a difference to you know being obese makes no difference

01:14:15.360 to lung cancer but breast cancer colorectal cancer liver cancer pancreatic cancer the the world health

01:14:21.280 organization identifies 13 cancers as definitely being obesity related and it's a real issue because

01:14:30.000 as you have this increasing uh obesity epidemic what we're seeing is and now so so cancer rates have

01:14:39.440 been steadily falling because the smoking was going down but in those cancers where that are obesity

01:14:46.400 related we're seeing a uh an uptick now and it's affecting younger and younger people because the

01:14:53.680 population that is obese is actually going younger and younger like you're seeing kids

01:14:59.280 who never would have like you know you look at classrooms and there is like zero obese kids in the

01:15:04.160 1970s and now there's like you know a handful but the 20 year olds or 30 year olds as you go from you know

01:15:10.960 know each each year each um you know uh population is is fatter than than the equivalent population sort

01:15:19.600 of 50 years ago so the problem is that cancer is following them down so you're getting cancers in

01:15:24.000 younger people because of this obesity epidemic which which is concerning of course yeah i mean you're

01:15:30.400 saying that and you know it's it's interesting because in your book is you say for the first time

01:15:34.320 ever the death rate from cancer is showing a steady decline but the war on cancer has hardly been won and

01:15:40.400 then i pulled up stats from american uh cancer society about exactly what you just said with

01:15:45.360 children starting to have cancer this is what it pulled up worldwide in 2018 18.1 million new cases

01:15:52.320 in 2018 9.5 million cancer related deaths worldwide that's 52.4 percent worldwide meaning if you got it

01:16:00.640 50 chance you're gone worldwide for adults in 2020 an estimated 1 million 806 000 new cases of cancer

01:16:09.360 will be diagnosed in the u.s alone of which 606 520 will die from it that's 34 percent the next stat is

01:16:18.560 kind of interesting to me in 2020 an estimated 16 850 children and adolescents ages 0 to 19 will be

01:16:25.840 diagnosed with cancer and 17 30 will die of the disease which is 10.2 percent so worldwide highest

01:16:32.960 percentage adults uh 34 percent u.s uh children and adolescents 0 to 19 10 death if you get cancer

01:16:43.680 and then on this other stat on the same website says 39.5 percent of men and women will be diagnosed

01:16:49.120 with cancer at some point during their lifetime as they're going through this so the question and for

01:16:54.400 you to becomes four different things one um have we figured out you talked a lot about control what

01:17:01.920 can we do to control the virus okay control the virus but control to me is not good bad ugly it's

01:17:08.320 just you're controlling it we have a steady control the virus okay that that's not optimum results that's

01:17:14.880 just we have control of it we have a control of the enemy we have a control of this you know sickness

01:17:19.920 we have a control of this you know uh competitor whatever there's some kind of control but then

01:17:24.320 you have preventative you have treating curing eliminating so preventative you know tobacco you

01:17:32.480 smoke cigarettes 35 look if you're not gonna stop smoking cigarettes from all these commercials

01:17:37.360 all these videos all these documentaries you still want to smoke cigarettes that's on you that's the

01:17:41.680 risk you're taking by smoking cigarettes but everything else have we found anything to prevent

01:17:47.520 from having cancer outside of obesity which is what you're talking about as well as treat cure and

01:17:52.320 eliminate where man doesn't have to worry about oh my gosh there's a 39 and a half percent chance i'm

01:17:59.760 going to get cancer one day if i get cancer there's a 30 some percent chance i'm going to die from it that's

01:18:04.320 pretty scary are we making progress on that in both preventative and how to treat and cure yeah we're

01:18:10.480 making good progress actually because the um you have to identify the causes in order for you to make

01:18:19.200 progress so if you identify lung cancer as caused by tobacco smoke and for to a large extent that's

01:18:24.800 true now you can prevent smoking and prevent cancer same with asbestos so asbestos causes other

01:18:31.120 cancer called mesothelioma you get rid of asbestos in the home mesotheliomas all of a sudden become rare

01:18:38.480 now we've done the same thing for certain viruses so hepatitis viruses and well as um human papilloma

01:18:46.240 virus so human papilloma virus causes cervical cancer which used to be a big it used to be like

01:18:51.360 the number four killer is like huge but we identified the virus now we have a we have a vaccine for it and

01:18:59.520 there's actually in in many many countries actually there's uh this universal vaccination of of children for

01:19:06.320 human papilloma virus or for girls in some cases and now because we've been doing that vaccination

01:19:12.480 for so long we actually see the rates of cervical cancer steadily moving down in fact they just

01:19:19.360 published a study where they looked at um places where they had universal vaccination and the rate like

01:19:26.800 in in when they're children like before sexual activity and what you find is cervical cancer is

01:19:32.480 you know like five percent of what it used to be like just incredible success so when you can identify

01:19:40.480 the cause of the cancer you do very very well you do you can do the same thing with um

01:19:46.560 h pylori so there's a bacteria in the in the stomach called h pylori was very prevalent in the uh in the

01:19:52.640 orient and now that you have better sanitation and stuff that stomach cancer is actually getting better and

01:20:00.480 better so in the united states it wasn't such a big deal because but but in japan and hong kong

01:20:05.600 and places like that where there's a lot of overcrowding and bad water and stuff people got a lot of this

01:20:12.480 h pylori so if you identify the cause you do very well the problem is you can't identify every cause

01:20:20.000 we don't know what causes breast cancer for example we don't know what causes colorectal cancer

01:20:24.400 but the big advance there is in terms of prevention that is if you understand that being overweight is

01:20:32.320 going to increase your risk of breast cancer and colorectal cancer a lot and that's what's driving

01:20:37.200 these young people to get breast cancer and colorectal cancer then you can you can do something

01:20:42.480 about it and try and get them to lose weight you can also look at the certain genes like the brca gene and

01:20:49.120 try and screen for that and then in terms of colorectal cancer you have screening for

01:20:54.560 colonoscopies and that kind of thing where you take out these pre these lesions before they become

01:21:00.720 cancer so we're making good progress on all that in terms of treatment the treatment has been a lot

01:21:05.440 slower to get to the front lines but this entire area of immunotherapy is just very very promising in

01:21:13.440 terms of a different type of treatment as opposed to the old treatments of sort of cutting slashing

01:21:19.360 and burning um and and and beyond the sort of just the genetic paradigm of cancer now we have this sort

01:21:26.560 of immune uh side of cancer that we can start developing new drugs to to uh treat and in certain

01:21:34.320 instances they've really done a great job in terms of improving the survival certain people with melanoma for

01:21:41.200 example and certain types of other cancer have really benefited we're sort of in the early stages

01:21:46.800 of that development but uh you know i'm hoping that that's that's a whole new angle and that's always

01:21:52.720 very promising to get these whole new angles the best is to to prevent it of course and that's that's

01:21:59.200 where understanding of the role of nutrition the role of obesity the role of type 2 diabetes in it

01:22:06.080 will hopefully prevent it because if you can prevent the you know comes down to the same thing if you

01:22:11.040 can prevent the obesity you're going to lower your risk of breast cancer colorectal cancer then you

01:22:16.320 never have to worry about treatment down the line yeah i mean obesity in america 2016 we got 650

01:22:22.880 million people in america that are obese it's a ridiculous number today like more than ever before

01:22:27.280 but to wrap up here with this i'm going back to one of the things you and i talked about at the

01:22:31.040 beginning with the influence of pharma big pharma the national expenditure for cancer care in 2018

01:22:36.800 was 151 billion dollars that's a big number that's not a small number that's a very very big number so

01:22:43.360 then the question becomes the following is it a good thing for the folks in business for us to truly cure

01:22:55.680 cancer or is cancer a very big business that creates a lot of jobs that maybe we do have the cure but we

01:23:04.800 don't want to cure or am i you know going a little too deep in into the because you kind of know where

01:23:10.080 i'm going with this i'm just asking you a question 151 billion dollar your industry that's a lot of jobs

01:23:16.000 right there if we were to divide that between how many people uh at a hundred thousand dollar your

01:23:21.440 salary can we get at 150 billion i'll do the math for you right now just to kind of figure this number

01:23:26.240 out if we got 150 billion 100 000 that's 1.5 million jobs at a hundred thousand dollars if we

01:23:34.160 were to cure cancer we lose 150 000 000 hundred thousand dollar your jobs is it 150 000 or is it

01:23:41.680 one point million 1.5 million it's a lot of jobs 1.5 million hundred thousand dollar jobs so do we

01:23:47.360 really are there people that really are kind of like well we kind of can do something to get rid of

01:23:52.640 it but should we really i don't know let's kind of keep it around a little bit what are your thoughts

01:23:57.360 on that i think people are trying to get rid of it first they'll never get rid of it because it's

01:24:02.240 actually a part of ourselves that is it's impossible to eradicate cancer risk completely because it's the

01:24:10.000 part of the way that we do life right these cancers are actually they're perversions of our own

01:24:16.080 cells so we can't actually get rid of it it's it's it's uh impossible and i think yeah it's impossible

01:24:23.840 to completely get rid of it you can you can lower your risk in many different ways but you can't ever

01:24:28.320 get rid of it completely now i think that there's so much cancer that nobody's thinking that we shouldn't

01:24:34.320 try to get rid of it but what they've done instead which is rather uh despicable i think but

01:24:42.080 what they've done instead is that they've raised the prices of these drugs so incredibly high that

01:24:49.200 a single course will be like you know these new drugs so so i'll tell you the old drugs would have

01:24:55.200 cost you like you know if you had to buy it and didn't have insurance a couple thousand dollars

01:25:00.320 perhaps right so when gleevec which is one of the big breakthroughs of the genetic era it was probably like

01:25:08.320 two thousand three thousand dollars for a year for one patient now you're talking about two

01:25:14.480 hundred thousand three hundred thousand dollars that's the price of a course of these medications

01:25:20.400 wait wait let me stop you there so you you said it used to be two thousand dollars per year per patient

01:25:26.960 now it's two hundred thousand per year these are different drugs yeah but to to give you a sense so

01:25:32.320 in 2000 that was sort of the the best cancer drug you had and maybe about two thousand three thousand

01:25:37.600 that was a lot back then so normal you know blood pressure drugs would be like 80 bucks right so 200

01:25:43.760 300 400 is expensive 2000 was like wow that's really expensive but the drug was great so if you were to

01:25:49.120 get a sort of state-of-the-art drug not that drug but a different state-of-the-art drug today

01:25:54.480 most of the price tags are a hundred two hundred thousand dollars it's insane like it's insane so

01:26:02.080 what they've done of course is instead of saying okay let's get rid of cancer they're like well each

01:26:06.160 cancer case instead of bringing in two thousand bucks we'll bring in two hundred thousand bucks

01:26:09.840 right a hundred times the cost now as i've said that those are two different drugs one is like a

01:26:14.320 biologic and stuff and it's newer but at the same time that is sort of state-of-the-art drug at that

01:26:20.720 time so it's really a huge hot button issue because people are saying like even if you can develop these

01:26:26.880 drugs nobody can afford them so in the end it's the same like you're not doing anybody any good

01:26:31.600 because you're pricing them so high and the problem is that the price of the drug has nothing to do with

01:26:36.800 how much it costs to make so um you know for example there's a drug that they make in india you know

01:26:45.200 it's a tablet this is you know here they'll charge like you know to 800 bucks and in brazil they'll

01:26:52.320 sell it for like seven cents or something like that is you know the the price of the drug has nothing to

01:26:57.200 do with how how much it costs to make only how much you're willing to pay that's about it that's the

01:27:04.080 only thing constraining the price that that that uh when you said a hundred to two hundred thousand

01:27:08.880 dollars how much does that actually cost them to make the treatment yeah it's very little it's all

01:27:14.240 the it's all the research that goes into it but even then it's it's not uh commensurate with

01:27:21.920 the the cost of the research because the marketing costs like are higher than research budgets like

01:27:29.920 marketing budgets more than they put into like why don't you put the money into making good drugs

01:27:34.480 instead of marketing right because somebody's got to pay for all the doctors free meals and they've got

01:27:39.360 to pay for those 1500 bucks and they've got to pay for all the the university professors you've bought

01:27:44.720 out and all this you've got to pay for those studies that prove that you're good it's it's a difficult

01:27:50.000 system it's a yeah yeah you're in an interesting industry well i gotta tell you i've really enjoyed

01:27:53.760 the time we've had together and uh for anybody that's watching this we're going to put the links

01:27:58.320 to all the books below obesity code diabetes code and especially cancer code that's coming out

01:28:02.960 november 10th and uh the link to the one website you shared with us as well we'll put the link to

01:28:08.160 that as well below if people want to get some of the free articles you have on that website uh dr

01:28:13.120 jason funk i have really enjoyed this time with you i appreciate you for being transparent and hopefully

01:28:19.040 we'll have you back here uh in the future as well absolutely had a great time thanks so much

01:28:24.240 well he definitely wasn't holding back i mean any questions he was being very transparent and being

01:28:28.160 willing to share his opinion with us i was very curious on some of the things we talked about

01:28:32.240 with the amount of control big pharma has behind closed doors with doctors universities all of those

01:28:36.640 things and you saw you heard what he said so uh curious to hear your thoughts comment below on top of

01:28:41.360 that if you enjoyed this interview i think you'll also enjoy an interview i did a few months ago with

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Valuetainment - November 04, 2020

The Best Treatment for Obesity, Diabetes & Cancer

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