Valuetainment - May 29, 2026


＂The Destruction Of A Legend＂ - Ex-Ferrari CEO Goes NUCLEAR On Luce EV DISASTER


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Ferrari s decision to go 100% EV in their new car, the new Lamborghini Luce, has caused a stir in the market. Is this a good or bad move by the company? Rob and Tom discuss the pros and cons of the move.

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00:00:30.000 Ferrari two days ago announces their latest car, Luce.
00:00:34.560 And when I saw this car, at first I thought it was a spoof.
00:00:37.880 I thought it was a joke, but it was real.
00:00:40.280 Rob, if you want to play this clip here while you're playing this clip,
00:00:42.660 I'll kind of give some thoughts on it.
00:00:44.940 $640,000 to get this car, okay?
00:00:48.320 The interior design is by the former chief design officer of Apple,
00:00:53.560 head of design, John Ive, which worked with Steve Jobs,
00:00:56.760 so that's a big part of the story.
00:00:58.560 330-mile range that it goes, 0 to 60, I think 2.5 miles, 2.5 seconds.
00:01:04.900 0 to 100, I think it's 6.8 seconds.
00:01:06.760 Top speed, maybe 194 if I remember these numbers correctly.
00:01:11.160 And it's 100% EV.
00:01:12.680 This is not the SF90 that they came up with, which was a hybrid.
00:01:16.180 This is 100% EV.
00:01:18.440 And the market is watching and saying, was this the right move?
00:01:21.220 Was this the wrong move?
00:01:22.880 You know, it looks like an IA.
00:01:24.620 There was a bunch of criticism.
00:01:25.780 Why would I buy this?
00:01:27.640 Instead of buying this, I can buy 10 Bitcoins.
00:01:30.120 Instead of buying this, you know, I can buy, you know, 10 Teslas or 7 Teslas or 8 Teslas.
00:01:35.740 Instead of buying this, I can go do something else with this.
00:01:38.480 Why would I want to buy a Ferrari like this at this price point?
00:01:41.440 Lots of criticism.
00:01:42.540 Tom, as somebody that's owned Ferraris for decades yourself, and you've restored one of them,
00:01:47.120 if I'm not mistaken, back in the days, you restored one of the Ferraris that you had.
00:01:50.420 That's correct.
00:01:50.920 1989 through 28.
00:01:52.280 And Tom's daily drive right now is a Ferrari.
00:01:54.920 Tom drives his Ferrari on a daily basis here.
00:01:56.960 Tom, what is your opinion on this?
00:01:58.200 Was this a good move or a bad move?
00:02:00.020 This, I don't think, is a good move at all.
00:02:02.420 You look back at the record recently with Ferrari hybrids.
00:02:07.460 And recently, right here at Boca and in Palm Beach, we had Cavalino.
00:02:12.360 So not too many months ago, there was a wonderful Cavalino looking at all these rare historic Ferraris and people celebrating the history of the brand.
00:02:20.300 And there was a lot of talk there about the SF90 and the 296.
00:02:24.340 The SF90, people were up there talking about cataclysmic loss of value, that the depreciation was incredible because they couldn't get people to buy it.
00:02:35.380 And it was not because the higher-end cars, you'll buy them, you'll keep them as the ones that are limited production, say 1,000 units.
00:02:42.480 People keep them, collect them.
00:02:44.140 Well, guess what?
00:02:45.200 The 296 hybrid also had a hard time, and it's been discontinued.
00:02:49.420 So the Ferrari audience has spoken about these.
00:02:52.660 And the people that had SF90 or 296 suffering, you know, depreciation of the cars that's beyond what normally they experience.
00:03:01.780 And I think this was a bad idea, but I think it was already on the product plan.
00:03:06.840 And, Pat, you've consulted.
00:03:08.240 We've consulted with companies.
00:03:09.480 You know, sometimes we ask them, why did you do that?
00:03:11.500 Well, we've been planning it for three years.
00:03:13.080 All the effort went into it.
00:03:14.200 We just went through with it.
00:03:15.980 And it's like, but if you knew it was a bad idea, well, we had invested so much.
00:03:19.380 We just kind of stayed with the plan and hoped.
00:03:22.640 You've heard those kind of words, right?
00:03:23.920 Of course.
00:03:24.340 Well, I think that's what happened.
00:03:25.540 I think this was on the product plan, and it went forward.
00:03:27.740 That's a very good point.
00:03:28.840 I want to go to this, Tom.
00:03:29.880 The former chairman of Ferrari, who was Enzo's assistant in his 20s,
00:03:34.700 later on becomes the CEO.
00:03:36.420 Rob, if you want to go to the clip of the Ferrari former CEO giving his thoughts on this,
00:03:42.820 they asked him a question, and they said, what do you think about it? 1.00
00:03:46.620 and you can tell, Italians, they're not very good poker players. 1.00
00:03:50.840 If they don't like you, you can tell. 1.00
00:03:52.240 If they're angry, you can tell.
00:03:54.460 If they have a reaction, you can tell.
00:03:56.560 This was him on when he was asked about the Luce.
00:04:00.140 Go ahead, Rob.
00:04:00.680 I can tell you what I think would be wrong with the Ferrari.
00:04:04.480 You risk the destruction of a myth.
00:04:07.000 I'm very sorry.
00:04:08.540 But we can give it?
00:04:10.420 I hope it's at least removed from that car. 1.00
00:04:13.260 This is certainly a machine that the Chinese at least won't copy from us. 1.00
00:04:30.220 They won't need to. 1.00
00:04:31.780 Meaning the product is such a bad product.
00:04:34.280 Now, Tom, to people that don't know who he is, how important was he to the Ferrari brand?
00:04:38.360 This is Luca Montezemolo.
00:04:40.620 And Luka was absolutely critical to the brand.
00:04:45.800 He was the return of Ferrari to F1 glory with the signing of Michael Schumacher and then five consecutive championships.
00:04:55.660 They haven't won a championship since 2007.
00:04:58.360 He was kind of, you know, moved out by the DEI crowd.
00:05:02.260 And this guy is a legend.
00:05:04.480 And I think that was reserved for Luka.
00:05:07.760 that was a reserve reaction because he could have just gone off.
00:05:11.840 And he knows what's gone on at Cavalino.
00:05:14.060 He knows what the market has been saying.
00:05:15.820 There's no secrets here.
00:05:17.840 And this guy, this guy, I put him in one of the top 20 auto executives of all time.
00:05:24.800 So he's a heavyweight.
00:05:26.160 In the modern era, not like Henry Ford.
00:05:27.720 Now, let me ask you a question, Tom.
00:05:29.020 You're running Ferrari today.
00:05:30.560 You're the board.
00:05:32.840 You're the developer.
00:05:33.620 You're the designer.
00:05:34.360 You see him saying something like that.
00:05:36.200 How is Ferrari right now in?
00:05:38.580 We've been to their headquarters multiple times.
00:05:40.480 We've toured the headquarters.
00:05:41.200 We've driven Ferraris in their headquarters multiple times.
00:05:44.100 I think we just went there a few months ago.
00:05:45.620 You and I took a tour together in 2015, and we walked right by him and didn't know it.
00:05:49.700 Kim told me later.
00:05:50.620 Did you know Luca walked right by you guys?
00:05:52.300 Stop it.
00:05:52.800 When we were there in 15.
00:05:53.780 Correct.
00:05:54.100 When you and I took a picture of the very front door, and we had Ferrari shirts on, he walked out.
00:05:58.960 Wow.
00:05:59.240 And Kim says, that was Luca.
00:06:00.680 How does Ferrari react to it?
00:06:03.160 Go to their home office.
00:06:04.380 How are they reacting to this?
00:06:05.480 Okay, you've got the DEI folks.
00:06:10.020 You know, we have to do this.
00:06:11.280 It's modern.
00:06:11.980 We have to keep going forward.
00:06:13.320 All the progressives, right?
00:06:14.500 And any crowd is progressive.
00:06:16.320 And then you've got the diehards whose blood is boiling.
00:06:20.500 I think I literally believe there's like a split board. 0.99
00:06:23.820 There's the traditionalists that say, hey, hybrid technology is here.
00:06:27.600 We can do things hybrid.
00:06:28.600 We can do things here.
00:06:29.580 But our buyer doesn't want it.
00:06:32.500 Look, the SFID didn't sell.
00:06:33.880 This didn't sell.
00:06:34.500 We need to follow the consumer.
00:06:36.540 Their blood is boiling.
00:06:37.740 Meanwhile, on the other side, people that were, like, forcing it,
00:06:41.340 and you're seeing Porsche, Ford, Honda, all back off of EV plans in a big way.
00:06:46.880 Billion-dollar write-offs, multi-billion dollars.
00:06:48.980 I want to get on that point.
00:06:50.320 If we see the numbers, you know what I mean?
00:06:52.840 Ferrari, they make and, you know, deliver 13,000 cars a year.
00:06:56.480 That's all they do, yeah.
00:06:57.460 That's all they do.
00:06:58.580 This is $600,000 EV, all right?
00:07:01.600 How many units are they going to do?
00:07:03.120 This is not a Jaguar level of, like, we're going to cut all the lines and just do the electric one.
00:07:08.600 This is an experiment.
00:07:09.620 I was watching the video yesterday with, her name is, oh, my God, I forgot her name.
00:07:14.660 She does Cleo Adams.
00:07:16.520 She interviewed the guy who designed the interior, the guy that used to work on Apple.
00:07:21.420 And I really like some of the design philosophies that were used inside the car.
00:07:26.440 I think it's revolutionary, going away from screens, having tactile functions.
00:07:30.300 I think there's a lot of technology that's going to be inside of the car.
00:07:32.940 I think the interior of the car is a work of art.
00:07:35.840 I can't say much about the exterior.
00:07:37.720 It looks like a Ferrari 8 and SUV. 0.97
00:07:39.820 It's the ugliest thing. 0.78
00:07:40.880 But, you know, some people will like it.
00:07:43.320 I think at $600,000, if they move 100 units, some people will see the cool factor on it.
00:07:49.320 Maybe for the average Ferrari owners that want, you know, they want a mid-mountain V8, it's not going to be their cup of tea.
00:07:56.780 But I don't think they're going to lose money on this.
00:07:59.240 If you look at Ferrari, they mostly sell T-shirts.
00:08:02.480 How many people actually buy a Ferrari?
00:08:04.460 You know what I mean?
00:08:05.200 Well, Rob, run a poll.
00:08:06.420 Run a poll.
00:08:07.340 Have you ever owned a Ferrari before?
00:08:09.700 Have you ever owned a Ferrari before?
00:08:11.260 Jeff, do you have any thoughts on this?
00:08:12.640 No, I mean, I'm not a car guy by any means, but when I first saw that picture, I thought it was a Tesla.
00:08:17.060 It really did.
00:08:17.860 Immediate reaction.
00:08:18.420 Immediate reaction was like, it's a Tesla.
00:08:20.060 Yeah, so it's interesting.
00:08:21.140 Ah, fanabla.
00:08:22.640 When you look at this, Tom, let me ask you a question here.
00:08:26.220 This is an interesting one that I didn't know.
00:08:27.880 Can you tell me, Tom, what do you think is Ferrari's EBITDA percentage?
00:08:34.780 I want you to think about this, and I want the audience to guess what is Ferrari's EBITDA.
00:08:41.480 I thought Ferrari's EBITDA was two times the auto average.
00:08:45.320 I thought they were up at like 16%.
00:08:47.200 Auto average was like...
00:08:48.200 Are you ready?
00:08:49.340 Are you ready for this?
00:08:51.220 Ferrari's EBITDA is 35% to 40%.
00:08:54.420 Okay, is that clothes and licensing or just cars?
00:08:57.400 Tom, just purely EBITDAs, 35% to 40%.
00:08:59.860 Clothes and licensing is nothing.
00:09:01.220 It's the cars that mainly brings the revenue.
00:09:03.400 39.1% is their EBITDA.
00:09:05.400 By the way, you know who number two is?
00:09:07.000 Number two historically in EBITDA, most profitable automotive companies in the world.
00:09:11.900 You know what number two is?
00:09:12.700 Toyota?
00:09:13.340 Porsche, 25% to 30%.
00:09:15.580 Number three is Lamborghini.
00:09:16.880 And guess who number four is?
00:09:18.580 Guess who number four is?
00:09:19.780 This is where it gets interesting.
00:09:21.300 Number four is Tesla.
00:09:22.620 Then it's everybody else.
00:09:23.940 So meaning when Ferrari, like, and then when you think about Porsche,
00:09:28.180 the greatest day-to-day supercar ever produced is the Porsche 911 Turbo West.
00:09:33.740 It's not even close.
00:09:34.440 You can drive it every day.
00:09:35.900 I will, for the rest of my, as long as they don't go woke,
00:09:38.300 you will always find a Turbo 911 Turbo West in my garage for the rest of my life.
00:09:42.820 Even when I'm not driving nowadays, I only drive once or twice a week.
00:09:45.940 And for Porsche, they produce 311,000 cars.
00:09:49.500 Tom, you own a Ferrari and you own a Porsche, right?
00:09:52.080 And I owned an SF90 before, and I've owned a few different cars, but specifically when you were talking about SF90, we went through the process together when I was trying to sell it, if you remember that.
00:10:01.580 So there was a personal experience when I'm talking to you and I'm saying, hey, what the hell is going on with this SF90?
00:10:06.860 1,000 horsepower, incredible car.
00:10:09.100 You can go 200 miles an hour.
00:10:10.600 It doesn't feel like you're even pushing at 200.
00:10:13.420 Not that we would ever do such a thing because I always drive 65 miles an hour.
00:10:16.920 You don't break the laws.
00:10:18.040 Or be texting at the same time on a turnpike.
00:10:19.880 Never, never do such a thing.
00:10:22.080 So you wonder if they watched on what happened with Porsche when they went to produce certain cars that the audience simply didn't want.
00:10:29.540 Do you know when they, by the way, the profile of a Porsche driver versus a Ferrari driver.
00:10:33.620 Here's some interesting facts.
00:10:35.160 Do you know what the average Ferrari driver age is?
00:10:39.460 The average Ferrari driver age.
00:10:41.120 Give me the age.
00:10:41.660 I thought it was 55 now.
00:10:43.220 51 years old.
00:10:44.120 Okay.
00:10:45.020 Porsche is around the same age.
00:10:46.420 But the average income earner that buys a Porsche is making $370,000 to $500,000 a year.
00:10:52.920 The average Ferrari driver makes $1 million to $30 million a year.
00:10:56.760 The average guy that buys a Ferrari.
00:10:59.220 What percentage of Porsche drivers are males versus females?
00:11:03.160 This one is tricky.
00:11:04.620 What percentage of Porsche drivers?
00:11:06.740 I would say 95%.
00:11:07.860 Okay, so Porsche is 85%.
00:11:09.740 Okay, what do you think it is with Ferrari?
00:11:12.120 Male to female.
00:11:13.680 It's a crazy number. 0.98
00:11:15.560 It's not the same?
00:11:16.140 No, it's a crazy number. 0.69
00:11:18.300 What do you think the percentage of male to female drivers are in Ferrari?
00:11:22.680 I don't know. 1.00
00:11:23.180 I saw a lot of women driving Romas. 1.00
00:11:25.180 Let's see it. 0.67
00:11:25.980 I want to see it from Tom because I was shell-shocked.
00:11:30.780 It's an extreme.
00:11:31.940 It's one of the two extremes.
00:11:33.080 So what do you think it is?
00:11:33.900 Well, this is a wild guess based on just looking around,
00:11:38.580 but the Roma has moved a lot, and I think it's like 80-20. 0.57
00:11:42.300 Tom, 98% of Ferrari buyers are men.
00:11:47.580 98%.
00:11:48.740 Like, they know their customers.
00:11:50.260 Like, if they hire DEI percent and they say, what can we do?
00:11:53.820 This is kind of like Romney hired a consultant that says,
00:11:56.180 stop going after Obama so strong, after Benghazi, after the second debate,
00:12:00.600 and start talking about salads.
00:12:02.160 You look mean.
00:12:02.420 You look mean. 1.00
00:12:02.900 Yeah, talk about single women, and they're like, that's why he lost the debate. 1.00
00:12:06.980 If they try to win over customers that's not their customers, it's a big mistake.
00:12:11.520 I hope Ferrari stays put and gets clear on what the customers are and just stays right there.
00:12:16.560 As Tom described and the profiles, like Ferraris are religion.
00:12:20.640 You know what I mean?
00:12:21.520 Some people swear by Ferraris.
00:12:23.260 They will buy cars.
00:12:24.380 I know a guy that he just bought a car, you know, a million dollars, and he's going to put it away for posterity.
00:12:30.140 Like he's never going to drive it.
00:12:31.760 He's just going to put it away to save it for the future.
00:12:34.660 Like Porsche, you know, shout out to the PCM, the Porsche Club here.
00:12:39.060 Those guys, if you show up on any car that's not air cool,
00:12:42.400 they wouldn't even talk to you.
00:12:44.340 That's how resistant they're to change.
00:12:46.620 But isn't that an element of progressivism, thinking about this bigger?
00:12:49.340 Like, you know, Bud Light.
00:12:50.460 They brought in that consultant for Bud Light.
00:12:53.400 What was his name?
00:12:54.260 Dylan Mulvaney?
00:12:55.140 Yeah, we need to change our audience.
00:12:57.400 There's this element of progressivism that says we don't need to listen to our customer 0.78
00:13:00.760 because they're old, they're backwards, they're straight white males.
00:13:04.000 We need to tell our customers what they need to do. 1.00
00:13:06.900 I think you've seen this time and time again, and not just Ferrari, but a lot of other businesses, Cracker Barrel.
00:13:12.220 Oh, my God.
00:13:13.840 It is true.
00:13:14.700 They stop listening to their core business and say the element of progressivism is we need to tell people what they need to think. 1.00
00:13:21.420 That is so dumb. 1.00
00:13:22.500 That is so dumb. 1.00
00:13:23.300 It is. 0.99
00:13:23.620 By the way, Porsche produces, what's the number?
00:13:26.140 $311,000.
00:13:27.680 They went from $4 billion in EBITDA the first nine months of 2024 to $40 million in 2025.
00:13:33.900 The CEO immediately said, we're not producing 311,000 Porsches.
00:13:37.200 That's what they produce per year.
00:13:38.460 He dropped it down to 250, if I'm not mistaken.
00:13:41.000 They lost $784 million due to tariffs in 2024.
00:13:45.460 They had to write off a bunch of things that they bought with AI, technology, chips,
00:13:49.520 all this other stuff that was a pure write-off.
00:13:51.540 They came out with a car, Taycan.
00:13:53.920 What was it called?
00:13:54.880 Taycan.
00:13:55.440 The Taycan, which was one of the biggest flops.
00:13:58.320 First year sold 32,000.
00:13:59.800 Second year sold 43,000.
00:14:01.760 Third year dropped 49%.
00:14:05.160 Then it dropped another 40% or 30%.
00:14:07.460 And these cars, you buy for $150,000 to $200,000.
00:14:10.780 Within a year to two years, you already lost 50% of valuation of the car.
00:14:14.760 Within two years.
00:14:15.520 So I've seen these cars.
00:14:17.040 They're pretty nice.
00:14:18.240 I drove one.
00:14:19.060 They don't turn.
00:14:20.580 It wasn't a Porsche anymore.
00:14:22.460 It was a sled.
00:14:23.640 You put your foot down.
00:14:24.840 It just went.
00:14:25.720 But there was nothing to it.
00:14:26.900 There was style to it.
00:14:27.980 But it didn't move.
00:14:28.780 It didn't turn.
00:14:29.800 It was the most horrible driving experience for people who enjoyed driving.
00:14:33.500 Know your customer, Tom.
00:14:33.760 Know your customer.
00:14:34.880 That is the key.
00:14:35.720 Know your customer.
00:14:36.940 This goes back in history.
00:14:37.860 There's a guy named Sergio Ziman that was part of the New Coke decision.
00:14:41.280 He pulled back on it and said, we never should have done that.
00:14:43.780 We never should have talked ourselves into believing that there was another hill to climb for our customers.
00:14:48.680 He wrote a book called The End of Marketing as We Know It.
00:14:51.040 Sergio Ziman, you know, if he's still around, we should get him on.
00:14:54.440 I quickly want to defend Porsche because this is not only their bad decisions.
00:14:57.620 They had tremendous pressure from the EU, from Brussels, because they have these fleet limits, so they need to have some EV cars.
00:15:05.220 The funniest example of this is Aston Martin.
00:15:07.480 I don't know if you guys heard the story.
00:15:09.120 They made a little smart car to offset their CEO emissions.
00:15:14.980 So that's one thing, and the situation in Germany is not good.
00:15:17.600 The price of energy, and you know about this, Jeff, the price of energy there makes any industry not profitable.
00:15:23.600 This is a 430 horsepower Aston Martin?
00:15:25.940 Go to that, Rob, what you just had up right now, a minute ago.
00:15:28.980 This is what regulation does, Pat.
00:15:30.960 Stop it.
00:15:31.460 They had to make this.
00:15:32.640 They made this because of regulation.
00:15:34.160 Because of regulation to break down the average of the fleet.
00:15:37.460 Wait a minute.
00:15:38.180 That car has 430 horsepower.
00:15:40.340 Oh, it's crazy.
00:15:41.120 I mean, that's a suicide mission if you drive that car.
00:15:43.600 That's exactly right.
00:15:44.560 You hit a deer or a 40-pound dog.
00:15:48.580 Let me see the photos, Rob.
00:15:49.580 Go a little bit more into the photos aside from just that. 0.98
00:15:52.520 Wow, that is an ugly car.
00:15:54.600 But they had to do it.
00:15:55.620 They call it the Cygnet, which is just for regulations.
00:15:59.200 They had to have Swedish for one car in the fleet.
00:16:01.500 It is what it is.
00:16:02.280 Like we're advertising for these guys.
00:16:03.780 So let's just see if it's going to work.
00:16:04.860 You guys are going to go buy it or not.
00:16:05.840 Folks, if you're running a business and you're hiring people,
00:16:10.320 there is nothing more annoying than when you hire people and it doesn't go your way.
00:16:16.100 And often it ends up costing you a ton of money.
00:16:19.480 Rob, go ahead and play this clip.
00:16:21.040 So the average bad hire a small business owner makes costs the company $17,000.
00:16:24.760 The worst hires could cost you $240,000.
00:16:27.900 Why?
00:16:28.140 It's not just losing the employee.
00:16:29.940 Many times you lose them.
00:16:31.620 They're sitting next to somebody.
00:16:32.900 They've already infected the negativity on them.
00:16:34.840 They draw that person out.
00:16:35.920 Imagine that person was with you for two years.
00:16:38.000 And many times you knew this was not a good fit.
00:16:40.380 You knew this wasn't going to be somebody that was going to work with you culturally.
00:16:43.500 But you looked the other way.
00:16:44.400 You didn't have a system on who to hire.
00:16:45.980 You didn't have a system on what questions to ask.
00:16:47.840 Your calibration wasn't in place.
00:16:49.280 So one of the best things we're going to do this year at the Vol Conference, live in
00:16:52.900 front of 12,000 people, we're going to bring a few of our employees up there and show you how we
00:16:57.760 calibrate quarterly on how we score people on five different metrics and why this has helped our
00:17:03.700 company's retention go higher as well as grow exponentially in ways we've never experienced
00:17:08.360 before. And this will only happen at the Vault Conference that we host once a year. 12,000
00:17:13.520 people from 60 plus countries will be attending the MGM Grand Arena in Las Vegas, August 31st
00:17:18.920 through September 3rd, going through this 296-page manual together.
00:17:23.480 And if you haven't yet registered, click on the link above or below.
00:17:26.880 Get registered.
00:17:27.760 You may want to bring your team with you.
00:17:30.300 It'll be a very special event this year.
00:17:31.820 Looking forward to seeing you there.
00:17:32.920 There you go.
00:17:33.420 Go to vault2026.com.
00:17:35.600 Again, vault2026.com.
00:17:38.460 Speaker, Stephen Bartlett from the Diary of the CEO.
00:17:40.780 He'll be there.
00:17:41.300 Logan Paul will be there to talk about how to create a brand.
00:17:44.360 Then we'll have Joe Montana and Jerry Rice simultaneously interview
00:17:48.120 on how to find a running mate when you get a running mate what happens to you and last but
00:17:51.520 not least dan martell author of uh buy back your time who is exited multiple companies we'll discuss
00:17:57.140 how to leverage ai today go to vault2026.com get registered cannot wait to see all of you guys
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