Valuetainment - The Endless JFK Assassination Cover Up Revealed by Forensic Pathologist, Dr Cyril Wecht

00:00:00.000 How does one wake up in the morning and say,

00:00:02.460 you know what, I kind of want to be a forensic pathologist.

00:00:04.960 How does that happen?

00:00:05.920 Well, it did not happen quite like that.

00:00:09.120 Talk about the John F.K. assassination.

00:00:11.540 How did the events take place?

00:00:13.080 There's no question that the Warren Commission report is wrong.

00:00:16.280 It's absurd.

00:00:17.060 The single bullet theory is a total joke.

00:00:19.320 Why is the president of the World Bank on the Warren Commission?

00:00:22.820 Think about it.

00:00:23.740 They wanted to make a move on Russia and China.

00:00:26.320 That's intense right there.

00:00:27.520 The Zapruder film.

00:00:28.380 Where did they go?

00:00:29.120 Where did they run to?

00:00:30.160 They ran up to the grassy knoll.

00:00:32.000 We're not conspiratorial nutbags and theorists.

00:00:35.060 The Americans who continue to believe in the Warren Commission,

00:00:37.700 they are in the minority.

00:00:39.120 Human nature, we don't have a track record of holding secrets for too long.

00:00:42.600 These people at the super spook level, 1.00

00:00:45.720 they have a mindset that you and I can't understand.

00:00:50.180 If you read this in a novel, you wouldn't believe it.

00:00:52.460 Do you agree with Anthony Fauci's approach to COVID

00:00:55.020 and the lockdowns and shutdowns and shutting down other schools?

00:00:57.580 Child abuse cases physically have risen.

00:01:00.100 Drug abuse deaths have risen.

00:01:02.000 Suicides have risen.

00:01:03.400 What, are you going to keep closing down society?

00:01:05.360 Then let's pack up the world and go off to Mars.

00:01:08.200 The lives that have been destroyed, the fortunes that have been lost.

00:01:11.660 I'm telling you, this is unbelievable.

00:01:13.280 My guest today is Dr. Cyril Wecht,

00:01:20.020 probably one of the most legendary American forensic pathologists,

00:01:25.060 but some would also say controversial because he was one of the first that came out in 1965.

00:01:31.380 He presented a paper critiquing the Warren Commission

00:01:34.940 to the meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences,

00:01:37.680 which not a lot of people were happy about,

00:01:39.680 that in 1972, he became the first civilian ever given permission to examine the Kennedy assassination evidence.

00:01:47.420 And aside from that, he has commented he became famous when we went on TV

00:01:52.280 and he started giving his opinion and his thoughts on RFK assassination, MLK.

00:01:56.720 He's worked on a lot of different assignments, 21,000 autopsies that he personally did,

00:02:04.040 and 41,000 plus that he signed off and he supervised.

00:02:08.400 So with that being said, Dr. Wecht, thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.

00:02:11.820 Good morning, Patrick. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having invited me.

00:02:14.980 Before we get into a lot of these topics and what you've experienced is,

00:02:18.720 how does one wake up in the morning and say,

00:02:21.020 you know what, I kind of want to be a forensic pathologist? How does that happen?

00:02:24.180 Well, it did not happen quite like that. I went to medical school and I had begun to think

00:02:33.880 in my third year of medical school of combining law and medicine because I became

00:02:39.040 infatuated with the activities that occurred at the interface of law and medicine.

00:02:46.160 And then I proceeded along those lines by enrolling in law school,

00:02:50.800 which I attended while I was doing a full-time residency in pathology.

00:02:55.860 Two years at the VA hospital here in Pittsburgh, two years as a captain in the United States Air Force.

00:03:01.020 And then I decided I wanted to do forensic pathology along that way.

00:03:05.660 And I did my fifth year as a fellow in forensic pathology, research fellow and associate pathologist

00:03:11.580 at the Maryland Medical Examiner's Office in Baltimore and finished my third year of law school that evening.

00:03:17.580 So it evolved in that fashion. I decided that the most important area of medical forensic science

00:03:27.420 activities occurred in the field of forensic pathology insofar as the combining of law and medicine is concerned.

00:03:36.880 Was there an event that kind of lit you up or have you always been a fiery guy?

00:03:43.600 Because, you know, some of us, something happens in our lives where all of a sudden you go from,

00:03:50.700 you see somebody like, it was a pretty nice guy, you know, easygoing guy.

00:03:53.640 Yeah, he's a pretty driven guy. But what the hell happened to him in five years?

00:03:57.420 Why is he so lit up and fired up? Was there an event that kind of inspired you?

00:04:02.880 No, Patrick, I guess I've always been.

00:04:05.920 Okay.

00:04:06.240 I really think I don't go looking for trouble, but I address matters that are interesting to me

00:04:15.200 and matters in which I become involved. And a lot of people don't like that.

00:04:18.680 And I've paid a price. I've paid a big price, deprived of various honors, various accolades.

00:04:26.520 I've had two really difficult legal trials filed against me, which I had to defend myself against

00:04:32.520 in the 79 to 81 in Allegheny County. And then 2006 to 2009 at the federal level here with the

00:04:40.060 U.S. Attorney FBI's office. I've paid a price, Patrick. And, you know, I don't want to sound

00:04:46.200 like an egotistical, pompous ass, but I can't help think about Frank Sinatra's great song, 0.96

00:04:52.080 but I did it my way. Sometimes I bit off more than I can chew, but I, you know, I swallowed 0.99

00:04:58.560 it and did it my way.

00:05:01.080 You know, I think a lot of times people will also give credit to those on who respects your

00:05:07.760 track record on how you went about doing what you did. And you, you, you know, the right

00:05:12.320 people have tremendous respect on how much you were committed to the truth. I think F.

00:05:17.700 Lee Bailey one time said that you couldn't be intimidated.

00:05:21.320 If you faced, if somebody faced you with a Sherman tank is what he said. And Alan Dershowitz

00:05:27.800 said, Alan Dershowitz said, Dr. Wecht is not a witness for a higher. He's a witness for

00:05:34.200 truth, which truth can be pretty scary nowadays.

00:05:37.600 Those comments mean a great deal to me. Both of them are friends. I've worked with both of

00:05:43.260 them on cases. Alan Dershowitz in the Sonny Von Bulow case, Lee Bailey in several cases, and

00:05:48.920 we've remained good friends over the years to have comments like that from two people

00:05:53.100 of that stature. They themselves are quite controversial, obviously. And I guess maybe

00:05:59.900 what do they say? Birds of a feather, feather flock together. Is that the expression?

00:06:04.340 Yeah, that makes sense. So why don't we go into, since we have limited time together, I mean,

00:06:08.260 we have a lot of directions we can go, but why don't we go through and talk about the

00:06:14.320 John F.K. assassination? Let's start there and we'll see based on the kind of time that

00:06:18.000 we have, we'll go into other things. So if you look at the Gallup report, a study will

00:06:23.840 show that when it comes on to the Warren Commission from 1963 till today, it's gone from people who

00:06:32.760 believe another person was involved, okay? How many people believe another person was involved

00:06:38.220 and how many people believe there was only one man involved, right? The percentage was,

00:06:42.000 used to be 29%, that only one man was involved, then 36%, then it went to 11%, 14%. Today,

00:06:50.300 around 60%, 65% to 70%, depending on the year, believe another person was involved. It wasn't just

00:06:58.800 one man that took out John F. Kennedy. From your experience, I've been doing this for so many

00:07:04.180 years. You've written about it. You've talked about it. You've talked about it here at the,

00:07:08.040 you know, in Dallas to the JFK Museum. You've been all over the place and spoken about this.

00:07:12.560 Where are you at now with your thoughts on what really happened at the event? And was there one

00:07:18.360 man, two man? How did the events take place? Patrick, as the years have gone by and more serious,

00:07:25.200 scientifically based studies have been performed. My opinions have been solidified, corroborated,

00:07:33.200 and underscored. There's no question that the Warren Commission report is wrong. It's absurd.

00:07:39.680 The single bullet theory is a total joke. If this were any other case, a lot of my colleagues would

00:07:46.180 have joined me, including back with the House Select Committee on Assassinations Forensic Pathology

00:07:50.900 Panel in 78, would have joined me in attacking it. But they decided in some kind of a submissive, 0.95

00:07:58.900 placid, impassive fashion to go along. The civil bullet theory, which holds that one bullet produced

00:08:08.500 seven wounds in two men. President Kennedy, Governor John Connolly zigzagged in the air right to left,

00:08:13.960 up and down, breaking two large bones in this six foot four big bone Texan, Governor John Connolly,

00:08:20.380 emerged near pristine with a weight loss of only one and a half percent, the entire copper jack of the

00:08:26.220 lead core bullet intact, except for a slight deformity at the base on the impact of the firing

00:08:31.240 mechanism. That is incredible. And if you don't have a single bullet theory, then you don't have

00:08:36.460 a sole assassin. But there are many other studies, including neurological, neurosurgical, radiological,

00:08:43.840 photographic, and acoustical. The acoustics evidence itself is what led the House Select Committee on

00:08:49.700 Assassination back in 79, when they gave their final report to say that with all likelihood and great 0.98

00:08:55.660 probability that there was more to it than a single assassin. People don't know this. This is a

00:09:02.620 bipartisan committee of the top legislative leaders, Democratic and Republican, who came to that

00:09:08.460 conclusion. And yet, Patrick, not a darn thing was done about it. Absolutely unbelievable. The acoustic

00:09:14.860 evidence clearly shows, and it was performed by the two top outfits in America, Bolt, Berenic, and Newman

00:09:20.820 out of Boston, and Weiss and Ashkenazi in Queens College, New York, that the shots came from both the rear

00:09:28.660 and the front. And if you look at the reaction of the people that day in the Zapruder film and talk to

00:09:34.340 people who were there, where did they go? Where did they run to? They ran up to the grassy knoll

00:09:38.900 behind the picket fence, which is where the second shooter was. It's all there. And then when you study

00:09:45.260 things, as I have done, from a pathological standpoint with colleagues in radiology and neurosurgery

00:09:51.400 and neurology, you see the damage done to the president's head. By the way, Patrick, what the

00:10:01.880 doctors that night at Bethesda Naval Hospital concluded was far different from what has been

00:10:08.840 observed by a dozen or more top surgeons at the Parkland Hospital in Dallas. These Texas

00:10:17.640 surgeons with no axe to grind, they described what they saw in terms of the damage to the back of the

00:10:25.320 president's head, the occipital area, cerebellar tissue, which is that part of the brain located in the

00:10:31.560 rear and inferior. And all of this was found to be intact by Humes and Boswell that night at Bethesda.

00:10:39.240 Humes and Boswell, career naval pathologists, I want to emphasize this clearly, had never done a single

00:10:47.400 gunshot wound autopsy in their entire careers. How does that offend you? I have said and I've made

00:10:54.040 this offer countless times to anybody. You find any country in which the king, president, prime

00:10:59.560 minister, premier has been assassinated without autopsy has not been done by the top medical,

00:11:05.240 legal forensic apology people in that country. You won't find one country at all. Only in the United

00:11:11.000 States of America could they have so, so be so emboldened, so brazen, so arrogant as to think

00:11:18.520 they can get away with this. Well, they regrettably have gotten away with it, even though, as you pointed

00:11:23.960 out in your prefatory question commentary, that the majority of Americans have always rejected the

00:11:32.600 Warren Commission report. So I and my colleagues, we're not conspiratorial nutbags and theorists. The

00:11:39.240 Americans who continue to believe in the Warren Commission, they are in the minority.

00:11:44.200 You know, I hear you say that, and then I talked to Jim Jenkins, and I had Jim Jenkins on a year ago,

00:11:49.640 and maybe a year and a half ago, and I'll never forget what he said. For 50 years, he didn't want

00:11:54.200 to come out and talk about it. I said, why don't you want to talk about it? If you see Jim Jenkins,

00:11:57.560 he's a very quiet to himself. His wife is right next to me and reserve, went about his business,

00:12:04.200 left the business. He says, when I was there, first of all, two cars came. One of them was with

00:12:10.600 Jackie in it, but what Jackie thought John F. Kennedy's body was in the back. It wasn't.

00:12:15.240 A complete different car brought him in, and the body came from the back because Jim Jenkins was there.

00:12:19.640 And he says, when I held the brain, there had already been done an incision in the brain I was

00:12:25.000 holding. Somebody had already worked on the brain. They had already done something. This is Jim Jenkins

00:12:30.040 talking about this. I said, Jim, if you've known this for all these years, why haven't you come

00:12:34.920 out and said anything? He says, Patrick, I'm a simple man, and they told me if you're quiet and

00:12:39.560 you go away, they're not going to do nothing to you. And my wife and I just decided to go away and

00:12:43.640 not do anything, just have a regular career. And he's still married to the same woman he was married

00:12:48.120 to at the time when this event took place. So there are so many people that agree with you. There are so

00:12:54.760 many people that are aligned with you. What needs to happen? Who needs to come out and

00:12:59.800 officially say, yes, there was more than a single bullet theory. There was more than one person

00:13:05.400 involved. Who needs to come out and say that for it to become official? And do you think that'll ever

00:13:10.200 happen? Well, Patrick, when I was younger, I used to think that it would happen. Now I must say,

00:13:16.680 with great, great dismay, but to be realistic, I don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime.

00:13:23.480 Whether it will happen down the road, another decade or two, when somebody feels that everybody

00:13:30.360 possibly involved, even the political progeny, you know, the children and the grandchildren,

00:13:36.200 politically speaking, of everybody involved, are gone from the scene too. Maybe they'll make a move.

00:13:42.360 But they've been able to cover it up, and they have done so now since 1963. Just think, let's see,

00:13:50.440 you know, 37, 57 years have been able to cover it up. So as far as who would have to do it,

00:13:56.360 it would have to come now, then from the executive branch of the government. Because as I've already

00:14:01.640 pointed out, the House Select Committee, there you had the United States Congress coming in with their

00:14:06.680 findings, and they were ignored. The family, well, once Teddy Kennedy was gone, and John John was gone,

00:14:13.000 that left only, and Robert was gone, that left only Caroline Kennedy. And I don't, I can't speak for

00:14:19.640 her or engage in conjecture. But obviously, she made a decision to let it go and not make this a

00:14:25.720 campaign for the rest of her life, impacting on her, her husband and her children. And so that's where we

00:14:32.520 stand. Don't you think like, when you sometimes process this, and you know, you're, you've spent endless

00:14:39.160 hours on these topics, because this is your world. It's like talking to a guy, Stephen A. Smith, who

00:14:44.520 he has had endless debates of who's the greatest basketball player of all time, LeBron James, Kobe,

00:14:48.720 Brian, Will Chamberlain, or, you know, Michael Jordan. He's done that tens of thousands of hours.

00:14:53.000 It's his world. You know, you can talk to the Anderson Coopers and the Bill O'Reilly's of the world.

00:14:58.940 Their debates has been always about politics. But the question I have for you is, say the people that

00:15:04.780 were involved in wanting to hold it back as a secret for people to not find out, right?

00:15:09.560 There had to have been five, 10 people that knew what really happened. And then the next question

00:15:15.660 becomes those five to 10 people, what are the chances of people being able to hold a secret

00:15:21.400 for 50 some years? Because you're talking to your wife, and you almost kind of want to talk,

00:15:26.540 your wife's going to nag eventually. She's going to say, why don't you tell me? I've been married 0.99

00:15:29.780 to you. Why don't you trust me? And the husband finally says, well, babe, let me tell you what

00:15:32.620 happened. Here's what happened. Then the husband dies. The wife's talking to her sister one day,

00:15:36.220 says, do you really know what happened? Then the sister goes and tells her brother and the sister

00:15:39.860 tells seven people that those 28 people, then it comes back saying the truth is, here's what really

00:15:44.580 happened. If there is somebody that had a real motive that this was a bigger plan than just a

00:15:51.440 person that shot him. How come no one's come out and leaked it? I mean, it's not like the human

00:15:57.200 nature. We don't have a track record of holding secrets for too long. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

00:16:01.800 Yes, I know. That's a very good observation that you have set forth. Well, first of all,

00:16:08.220 I believe that the number of people who made this decision at the highest level of the CIA and

00:16:13.660 military, active or just recently retired from those positions, I don't know, I think no more than

00:16:21.680 maybe five or six people, if indeed that many. And thereafter, Patrick, it was a matter of people

00:16:28.980 doing things with a limited right to know, you know, just do your assignment and not anybody going

00:16:34.900 on. The second part of my answer is this, that, and it's an excellent, excellent observation question

00:16:40.440 you have posed. And that is as, as difficult as it is for intelligent people like you and me

00:16:46.940 to understand this. These people at the super spook level, CIA organizations that we don't even know

00:16:56.880 about, they, they have a mindset, Patrick, that you and I can't understand when it comes to keeping a

00:17:05.080 secret. These people, you know, they, they, they live in their own world. They are super, super patriots.

00:17:11.740 They know what is good for America. They saw America going to hell in the basket with what

00:17:17.540 Kennedy was doing nationally and internationally, what was happening across the world. And this

00:17:23.120 wasn't going to be, but in any event, so they made that decision and that's it. And they're gone now,

00:17:29.140 Patrick, they're gone. Did they share this with other people? Well, their spouses, they're gone too.

00:17:35.760 They're number one people. They're right-hand men and women. They're gone too. It's been a lot of

00:17:41.860 time, a lot of years. And many of my fellow Warren Commission critic researchers, they're gone. Mark

00:17:49.960 Lane and Sylvia Maher and all these people who have written great books and extensive studies

00:17:56.220 that they undertook. So this is, I, I, I can't give you a specific answer, obviously, except to say

00:18:03.880 that when you and I think about, how do you keep something tight? How do you keep something to

00:18:08.740 yourself? And you can't think of it in a normal fashion. The psychology of, of people is just

00:18:18.620 different at that super, super duper spy level. And those are the people that did it.

00:18:24.780 Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's interesting. You say that because for me, I bank on man's 0.75

00:18:30.100 temptation to commit sin. I bank on man's temptation to drink liquor and want to brag and take credit.

00:18:39.600 I remember one time I was interviewing the chief disguise officer who used to work under President

00:18:42.880 Bush and she made a whole fake face of President Bush. And he couldn't believe that this person

00:18:48.400 looks like Bush. She told me, she said, I said, what's the quality of a good CIA agent? She said,

00:18:53.360 a great quality of a great CIA agent is somebody that's extremely confident, a lot of swagger,

00:18:58.880 great charisma, great at sales. However, he has no desire to take credit for taking down an empire.

00:19:08.220 I said, what a quality. I said, how do you find that? She says, you don't. It's very hard to find.

00:19:12.960 So again, for me, I'm like, you're 83 years old. You're on your deathbed. You're laying there. You

00:19:18.840 know, something the world wants to know. Your grandson is over there. You whisper to little Johnny

00:19:23.100 saying, Hey, little Johnny, you're 48 years old. Now I just want you to know, here's what happened to

00:19:28.060 JFK. Don't ever tell anybody. And little Johnny's like, let me go write a book about it. And 7 million

00:19:33.440 people read about it. That's where I kind of go with that. But let me go a different angle with

00:19:37.020 you. So there's a lot of different conspiracies. By the way, many people call you a conspiracy

00:19:40.560 theorist, but I think you're very comfortable with that. And nowadays, anybody that says there

00:19:44.420 was more than a single, you know, shoot, you know, just one person involved. You're a single bullet 0.96

00:19:50.460 theory. You're a conspiracy theorist. But I'm going to go through some of these. And you tell me

00:19:54.520 which one of these you give some credence to and which one of them you say, Pat, I don't

00:19:58.240 know if I give a lot of credence to this. So the grassy, no, you know, saying the fact

00:20:03.160 that, you know, the, the, the second shooter that came, you know, the, the, you know, what

00:20:10.140 is it called? There was another person. It wasn't just somebody that came. There was somebody

00:20:14.180 from the other side that shot as well. So that one, you just said right now, there was a

00:20:17.920 shooter. Right. So that one is, yes, you're saying that when it happened, you already said

00:20:22.660 that, that is what I believe. And I won't repeat what I have already said, all kinds

00:20:28.000 have shown that was the position of the other shooter. Yep. The second one is the

00:20:33.040 black umbrella, man. You know, Steve Louis with who, you know, he lifted it up. And

00:20:37.120 was he signaling? Did he have a bullet that he shot out of the umbrella? Maybe he had

00:20:42.480 something that he did, or he was signaling to another shooter. And then they do the

00:20:46.460 interview with him afterwards. And he says, no, I just held the umbrella up because I'm a

00:20:50.380 conservative Republican. And I kind of wanted to distract him and kind of wanted to go back

00:20:54.700 and, you know, highlight and link it between him and Chamberlain because of the appeasement,

00:21:00.140 et cetera, et cetera. So do you, do you give any credence to the black umbrella, man?

00:21:04.760 I am not certain about that. It would be an incredibly fortuitous, unbelievably synchronized

00:21:14.360 event if it just happened in that kind of a fashion. At the same time, of course, it could

00:21:19.840 have happened in that way. I don't know. The black umbrella man has been looked into and

00:21:24.600 I don't have a simple, straightforward, unequivocal answer to give you.

00:21:29.160 I just wonder if sometimes somebody shows up and says, I just want you and I was involved

00:21:32.880 and I wanted to tell you this, please keep this between. Like I get regular emails because

00:21:36.460 I'll interview somebody that's controversial. Let's just say, you know, we send me to

00:21:39.960 Will Gravano. Okay. And then people who are in the mob will email me and they'll say,

00:21:44.080 please keep this anonymous. You will not know my name, but dot, dot, dot. Here's what really

00:21:49.020 happened in the events with Paul Castellano and John Gotti. I was there at Sparks restaurant,

00:21:53.780 et cetera, et cetera. And they give me their whole story. I wonder if you got a lot of these

00:21:56.640 emails over the years. Here's the third one. Mob did it because the mob helped the Kennedys

00:22:02.460 with Illinois because he kind of needed it. So they got the mayor, I don't know, 7,000 dead

00:22:07.440 people voted. And then they were hoping that the Kennedys were going to help with Castro and

00:22:11.740 Cuba because Meyer Lansky was taking a hit with his hotels in Cuba when Fidel came and says,

00:22:17.480 you got to get the hell out of here. And then RFK flips and RFK ends up going after the family,

00:22:22.760 after the mob. And so RFK ended up feeling guilty. The fact that maybe he was the reason

00:22:27.040 that killed his brother. Do you think killed his brother? Do you think the mob had a major

00:22:31.620 involvement in the hit? I think the mob had a major involvement subsequently to take care of

00:22:37.440 various people, beginning with Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Rubinstein, Jack Ruby, little Jacob

00:22:45.320 Rubinstein from the mafia from the age of 17 in Chicago. I do not believe that the mafia played

00:22:51.260 a role in the primary decision to assassinate the president because remember what they would be left

00:22:57.340 with would be Robert Kennedy as attorney general. So where were they going with that? I do believe

00:23:03.120 there's no question that they were used to follow up to get rid of various people after this happened.

00:23:08.200 Yes. Got it. So they were not the lead domino, but they were one of the dominoes needed. They were

00:23:14.260 not the first one that pushed everything else. They would not have dared to do it. And more importantly,

00:23:18.860 Patrick, they did not have the wherewithal to really undertake this without and plan to get away

00:23:26.260 with it. Only, only the highest level of government as a CIA military level could have performed this

00:23:34.740 and gotten away with it. So, so, so then the next one becomes the government did it. The government

00:23:41.340 was behind it. According to biographer Philip Shannon, he said, apparently Bobby Kennedy's first

00:23:45.960 suspicion was that it was some rogue element in the CIA. However, after meeting with the CIA director,

00:23:50.340 John McCone, RFK changed his mind. However, at the same time, CIA leaders were notably angry

00:23:55.400 with Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs invasion. I mean, we all know this. And the CIA spokesperson,

00:24:01.420 Edward Prince told NBC, while the CIA conspiracy theories make good fodder for movies, but they

00:24:07.020 are pure fiction. Thoughts on that? I believe when I say CIA, I mean, CIA related, whether they were

00:24:14.300 actively involved at that time, whether they recently resigned. Remember John Allen, Allen Dulles

00:24:20.680 was the CIA director. He was fired by Kennedy following the fire. Yeah, he was fired. And then

00:24:26.460 he is appointed to the Warren commission. And he's the one who played the major role in the

00:24:31.360 Warren commission. Justice Warren was pretty busy with the Supreme court. The two U S senators and the

00:24:36.120 two Congressmen are pretty damn busy with their congressional duties. So who is running the show

00:24:40.800 there? Allen Dulles. Incredible. Unbelievable. If you wrote this, if you read this in a novel,

00:24:46.340 you wouldn't believe it. Yeah. Very interesting. People were on that, by the way, you know, the

00:24:50.460 president of the world bank, what is he doing? I know obviously Gerald Ford, but why, why is the

00:24:55.220 president of the world bank on the Warren commission to what does that have to do with

00:25:00.820 very interesting people that were involved in that? And you know, the, the, the, the, the Southerners

00:25:07.360 on there, Senator, uh, Russell, um, uh, and Senator Wong, they Richard Russell, Jr. They very

00:25:15.680 reluctantly went along at, at LBJ's insistence. And we all know, you know, best of all there

00:25:23.000 in Texas, what LBJ could do with the literal figurative twisting of the arms. Not many people

00:25:29.680 dare defy LBJ. So they were very, so that leads me to the last question here, which is when I'm

00:25:39.100 sitting with Jim Jenkins, I said, uh, who benefited the most from, you know, John F. Kennedy being

00:25:47.220 assassinated, who benefited the most? I would ask you, I'm curious to know what you would say,

00:25:51.760 who benefited the most from John F. Kennedy being assassinated? The people collectively,

00:25:57.520 including their leaders who, who were very unhappy with what Kennedy had done, failed, failed to do

00:26:05.160 with the invasion of Cuba, what he was attempting to do, uh, with, uh, warming up the cold war with

00:26:12.380 Russia, what he was attempting to do to pull our troops out of Vietnam. Collectively, these people

00:26:17.500 who were very, very distressed and remember it, Patrick, they were looking at five more years of

00:26:22.740 John Kennedy, most likely to be followed by eight years of Bobby Kennedy, 13 years.

00:26:27.120 There's a lifetime in the social political, uh, evolution of a country. You don't just sit

00:26:34.600 back. This isn't a ball game and say, where we bat up in the ninth inning of the third period of the

00:26:40.300 hockey game or the last half of the hot basketball game. No, you got to make your move. You know,

00:26:44.980 13 years, look, look what has happened under Trump. I don't want to digress into politics. I'm just

00:26:50.720 saying like it or not, pro-Trump, anti-Trump, look what has been accomplished, uh, in four years,

00:26:56.540 uh, so to say then what would have been accomplished in 13 more years of John and Robert Kennedy to

00:27:04.180 these people, it was frightening. So they're the ones who benefited.

00:27:07.440 So when you say they, they saved America. So who is the leader of they? I know it's not proper

00:27:18.720 English, what I'm saying to you. So that's where I'm going. So who was the leader of they at the

00:27:23.320 time? I, I'm not sure who was the specific leader. Certainly Alan Dulles, uh, uh, figures in there.

00:27:30.540 Remember, you remember those generals after World War II, they wanted to bomb Russia, right? I mean,

00:27:37.040 wanted to go in and destroy China. Um, you know, the general, you know, LeMay here and Admiral

00:27:44.120 Cromwell in there, these people think about it. Americans have forgotten this and many Americans

00:27:49.060 don't even know who they were and what was going on. This is what we were dealing with post-World

00:27:54.800 War II. They wanted to make a move on Russia and China. So, so when I asked, uh, Jim Jenkins,

00:28:02.080 Jim Jenkins, uh, answer was two names. He said, J Edgar Hoover. And I asked him a question. I said,

00:28:07.160 tell me what you think about Lyndon Johnson. Okay. And I have to tell you, he was quiet for a good

00:28:14.800 minute. I mean, he was uncomfortable when the name Lyndon Johnson came. What do you think about

00:28:18.960 when you hear the name Lyndon Johnson? What do you think about him? Well, I, I personally do not

00:28:24.360 believe that Johnson was involved in the plot to kill Kennedy. I do believe that he certainly came

00:28:29.940 to know darn fast and chose not to do anything about it. Um, I don't believe that Hoover, whom I

00:28:35.880 despise, I don't believe that he was involved in the plot, but he certainly, certainly was the key

00:28:42.460 person in covering it up. Already announcing the day after that weekend that Lee Harvey Oswald was a

00:28:49.020 sole assassin. How in the world, Patrick, think of a murder that occurred in Dallas last week. I'll

00:28:54.260 think of a murder that occurred in Pittsburgh. I'll think of the murders that I deal with as a

00:28:58.020 medical legal consultant around the country recently, the one in Israel and so on. Uh, it takes time

00:29:04.100 to determine who's involved. You may think that, you know, who the shooter is. You may even know who

00:29:10.500 the shooter is because you saw him, but you don't know who was behind the shooter. You don't know

00:29:15.300 whether he had anybody else involved. How is it possible with this shooting that he already

00:29:21.920 determined Hoover by Sunday, Monday after the shooting that Oswald acted alone? How is that?

00:29:28.100 It's not possible. There's no way in the world, given the, the, the might and armamentarium and

00:29:34.980 extensive power of the FBI. There's no way he could have ascertained that. So Johnson and Hoover,

00:29:41.120 in my opinion, played the major roles in covering up. I don't believe that they were involved in the

00:29:46.440 planning to assassinate the president. However, many of my colleagues do feel otherwise. Many of

00:29:51.820 them do feel that Johnson and Hoover were involved or one or the other. Why don't you think, I mean,

00:29:56.900 if, if they did that over the weekend and they quickly moved, they moved so quickly. When you read

00:30:03.480 the details behind closed doors, I mean, Lyndon Johnson moved very, very quickly to go be announced,

00:30:11.000 the president, get the recognition, get up there and go and talk to Jackie and, you know, impose

00:30:16.200 himself. Cause he never liked that Irish family. These mother, you know, what can't wait to get 1.00

00:30:21.340 him the hell out of here. There's a lot of dark stuff when you read about Lyndon Johnson and here's

00:30:25.700 John F. Kennedy, who was enamored, loved, adored by America, by the world. Everybody appreciated him.

00:30:32.400 And this Lyndon guy cannot get the kind of love that he gets, but he was way more ambitious than

00:30:36.300 John F. Kennedy. Let's not forget that the most ambitious kid in the Kennedy family was the

00:30:40.520 one that died in war as a pilot. It was never supposed to be John F. Kennedy to be president. It

00:30:44.940 was supposed to be Joseph Kennedy, the oldest son to be president. So how did you get so lucky to be

00:30:49.260 president? You never cared about being a president and you had back problems. My entire life, I wanted

00:30:53.300 to be a president. You become the president. And then all of a sudden you move quickly and you have

00:30:57.720 this power and authority. Why would all your colleagues and friends telling you what, what's your

00:31:03.040 reasoning for not thinking that Hoover and Johnson were the ones involved and they were the leaders

00:31:09.120 of they? Well, it's an excellent question. And let me say that I am not adamant in expressing my

00:31:16.020 belief that they were not involved. Got it. Okay. And, uh, you know, I'm, I, I, I can readily

00:31:21.440 appreciate, understand, and accept without, uh, attempting to argue strenuously against, uh, such an

00:31:28.360 allegation that they may well have been involved. You make an excellent point. I, uh, I, I don't know.

00:31:33.420 And I, and I despise Hoover and Johnson, uh, you know, I have mixed feelings about he accomplished

00:31:39.180 a great deal, uh, but his personality and the things that he did his own personal life and the

00:31:45.780 things that he did politically and so on certainly are not to be, uh, complimented, uh, or accepted

00:31:52.640 passively. Well, I appreciate that. That's, that's, uh, that's fair enough. You know, you, you,

00:31:58.320 in an interview once said, you don't even know where you think Harvey Oswald was the shooter.

00:32:04.460 I think you said, I don't even believe it was him that even shot. You're right. Where were you

00:32:09.760 going with that? I don't think you answered the whole question because the interview didn't ask

00:32:13.240 you, but where were you going with that? Where I'm going with that is I think that Oswald was a

00:32:18.160 set up passy from the very beginning. Um, and, but you know, I just want to make it clear that my

00:32:23.840 involvement in this over all of these half the century of years is not to posthumously exonerate

00:32:30.560 exculpate Lee Harvey Oswald. In fact, Patrick, I always say when I give this talk, you want Oswald

00:32:35.460 as a shooter? Fine. Just give me the second shooter because of the laws of Texas and every state

00:32:41.060 and in the country and under federal government, two people involved, uh, in the planning execution

00:32:46.880 coverup of a criminal act makes it a conspiracy. So that opens up the door. So I don't really give a

00:32:51.840 damn about Oswald. I want, I want to make that clear, but I do believe that it is so contrived

00:32:58.780 that AJ Heidel ordering this piece of junk weapon, a Manneker Carcano by mail, and then leaving it

00:33:06.140 there, uh, uh, conveniently in his six floor layer and so on. Um, and remember Oswald was seen on the

00:33:14.640 second floor getting a bottle of soda from a machine when the cops were dashed in and the supervisor said,

00:33:20.300 he's okay, he works here. It would have been seconds, a, the Southeast corner to get over to

00:33:24.380 the Northwest corner where the stairwell was located and to be down there in a matter of seconds and so

00:33:29.800 on. Highly, highly unlikely. I really believe, you know, going back to the whole thing, two and a half

00:33:35.360 years in Russia, uh, marrying, uh, the niece of a KGB colonel coming back, not being interrogated.

00:33:42.420 I was interrogated more when I made a professional trip in 1972 with some colleagues to visit with

00:33:47.900 forensic opologists in Moscow and Leningrad. Two FBI agents came to my office two days later when I

00:33:52.900 returned to America to ask me what I saw, what I observed and so on in a friendly way, but they

00:33:58.120 were interested in knowing my observation. They didn't give a damn about Lee Harvey Oswald at the

00:34:02.520 two and a half years. Now the whole thing was just, just, just an incredible setup. Uh, that's a

00:34:08.140 an enigma. And you know, I have come to know and met with the Marie Oswald and I realize she's a

00:34:14.800 wife and so on, but she firmly adamantly believes that he had nothing to do with it for what that's

00:34:21.760 worth. Interesting. What do you think about a George Bush senior? George Bush senior? You mean in terms

00:34:30.280 of this, uh, JFK plot? Yeah. And as far as the JFK plot, any involvement? No, no. I do not believe

00:34:38.120 that George Bush senior was involved. No. Got it. There's, there's a lot of, uh, interesting

00:34:42.860 stories that you get with it that come out. I mean, Gallup has a whole list on what percentages

00:34:48.400 at the top, the number one, believe it or not, the number one conspiracy that the American voters

00:34:54.500 believe in that's got the biggest vote was it was a mafia organized crime gangster. That's number

00:35:00.300 one. That's from Gallup. Number two is U S government, federal government, three is CIA,

00:35:04.880 a forest Fidel Castro from Cuba. Then it is five special interest groups. Then it's political

00:35:10.920 groups. Then it's Q Klux Klan. Then it's London, then it's Soviet union. Then it's right. You know, 0.98

00:35:15.580 it's a very interesting, you know, uh, why do you think it's so important for us to know who was

00:35:21.700 behind this? So why can't the American people just move on with this event that took place? Why can't we

00:35:27.520 just say folks will never know just move on? Why are we so dead set on wanting to know exactly what

00:35:35.080 happened at this event? Who was behind it? I believe it is important not to ignore and let this go,

00:35:44.020 Patrick, because it gets to the heart of what America is, uh, who we are, what we're going to be.

00:35:50.600 If something like this can happen and, uh, be covered up in this fashion, then, uh, it could

00:35:57.000 happen again. Um, I believe it's very important, not just from a moral ethical standpoint, um, not

00:36:05.680 just to correct history, but because it gets to the very essence, to the very core of America and who

00:36:13.600 we are and what we became and what we could have been and should have been and would have been

00:36:20.660 under, under, uh, John Kennedy for another five years. I, I, I just don't think this is something

00:36:27.160 that you could set aside and consider yourself to be a serious, earnest, true believer in America

00:36:34.160 and what it stands for. Doc, do you have kids? Yes, I have four, uh, married children, 11 grandchildren.

00:36:40.960 Nice. I have three, I have one on the way. So I'll, uh, God willing, I'll, I'll have the fourth in the

00:36:47.560 next few months, but, uh, do you think there are certain things that is better for your kids to

00:36:54.520 never know where we'll be kept between you and your wife as a secret? An excellent question. Um, 0.62

00:37:02.680 I think aside from things of a very personal private nature, but otherwise, um, I want my kids

00:37:12.460 to know, and we share things. We're very close and we get together every Sunday night for a big family

00:37:17.940 dinner. I'm fortunate to have them all living here in the greater Pittsburgh area. And we've been

00:37:23.180 getting together even through COVID from June and July. And we see individual families, uh, invariably,

00:37:29.900 uh, one or two of them during the week, as well as our Sunday night dinners. So we share and discuss

00:37:36.240 things. And my kids, uh, my oldest son is a state Supreme Court justice. My second son is a neurosurgeon.

00:37:42.500 My third son is director of the Cyril H. Buckley Institute of Forensic Science and Law at Buchanan

00:37:46.760 University. And my fourth child, my only girl daughter is an obstetrician gynecologist. I'm very proud of

00:37:53.080 them. They're very intelligent. Um, and, uh, and, uh, you know, I've spoken and, uh, no, we, we share,

00:38:00.680 we don't keep secrets. By the way, congratulations on, on, uh, I read about that. That was probably the

00:38:06.700 most impressive thing about you and you got an incredible resume, but that's probably the most,

00:38:10.080 that's probably what you're most impressed with what you and your wife have done. Yeah. Proud of,

00:38:15.060 uh, but you know, do you think the government kind of looks at it and says, listen, American people,

00:38:20.060 we look at you guys as our babies and it's best. There are certain things you shouldn't know about

00:38:25.200 what really happened. You are better off not knowing the truth. Do you think that's kind of

00:38:29.240 how they see us citizens that you're too small to know this kind of stuff? Cause you couldn't

00:38:33.680 handle the truth, the whole scene from a few good men, but done by the leaders of they.

00:38:40.660 Yes. Jack Nicholson's a great line. Um, yes, Patrick, I agree with you completely. Unquestionably

00:38:47.020 at that time, uh, the people who came to know, uh, felt that this leads to a revolution in America

00:38:53.520 with what was going on with the African American population, uh, the voting and civil rights

00:38:58.940 proposals, uh, the way Americans felt about the Vietnam war and so on. Think of, uh, all of the

00:39:05.540 groups that emerged, uh, the Chicago seven and elsewhere and the riots out there and in California,

00:39:12.580 Berkeley. Yes, they definitely. And I think to this day, uh, that is the belief. They know what

00:39:18.100 is best and they decided that forget about it. It's over and done with. And, uh, you know,

00:39:24.520 they determined within a matter of hours, hours to direct phone calls and visits by our ambassadors

00:39:31.620 in Beijing, Moscow, and Havana, that it was not the Chinese wasn't the Russian. It wasn't the Cubans. 0.63

00:39:36.860 They ascertained very quickly, uh, that we have met the enemy and he is us. And once they made that

00:39:43.040 determination that it was us, that was it. Where were we going with that? Where were we going with

00:39:47.880 that? Yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's intense right there. So as a, as a person who's been an

00:39:53.980 American, uh, forensic pathologist for as many years as you've been practicing 21,000 autopsies,

00:39:59.840 how I don't know your world. I'm not in your world. The average person watching this matter of fact,

00:40:05.160 99.9999% of people have no clue what you do to be a pathologist, right? But you're in the world.

00:40:11.820 How easy is it for the best of the best to be able to have a better assessment on what happens? So for

00:40:19.720 example, if you were assigned to this and you got the phone call that night, they said, you know what?

00:40:25.740 Call Cyril Wecht, doc, come on in. You're holding John F. Kennedy's brain. How long would it take you to

00:40:32.640 be able to come out with an assessment to say, no, no, no guys, it's not a single shooter. It's this,

00:40:38.360 if you, if they got the best of the best to look at it, what would be the process you would go through

00:40:44.060 to be able to tell the American people, folks, this is what happened based on my assessment.

00:40:49.100 And how accurate would that assessment be? Patrick, an excellent observation and question. In fact,

00:40:55.480 that would have been ascertained two weeks later when the brain, which had been fixed in the

00:40:59.740 formalin to harden, to allow it to be sliced like a hard boiled egg in cereal sections was not done,

00:41:05.760 not done. The brain was never examined. Placed in the formalin, they went back, look in the report

00:41:11.300 and you'll see December 7, cereal sections of the brain are not made in order to preserve the

00:41:16.540 specimen. Preserve the specimen? By whom? For Jackie Kennedy's mantel face? For her grandchildren?

00:41:22.260 For whom was it being preserved? How long would it have taken? And your question also gets into

00:41:27.660 another area. The top forensic pathologists, and thank you for your compliment, they were available.

00:41:32.860 Dr. Milton Helpert, who was the Dean of Forensic Pathologists in America, he had already packed his

00:41:37.600 bag. And I know I got, he already had his bag packed. That's all certain. He already made some

00:41:43.320 phone calls to a couple of colleagues, all of whom were within one hour driving and flying time.

00:41:48.540 Washington DC, in Philadelphia, Richmond, Virginia, Boston, right there to go and work with him on

00:41:57.260 this case. There was no question that they were going to be called in, as I said earlier in your

00:42:02.540 program, who would do this autopsy. And that was the cover up. How long would it have taken upon

00:42:09.040 the gross examination and talking with the doctors in Dallas, they would have already had a pretty damn

00:42:15.340 good idea at that point. And when they would have examined the brain, two weeks later, they would

00:42:19.760 have seen the two different hemorrhagic tracks showing runes from the front and the back. And

00:42:25.320 that is why the brain was never examined. I discovered that in 1972, when I was the first

00:42:31.220 non-government related, non-government supporter, forensic pathologist, given access to the JFK materials.

00:42:36.600 Page one, New York Times, August 24, 1972. Fred Graham, their top reporter, had that story

00:42:42.800 special because he had helped me get in there by pushing when they were holding back and letting

00:42:50.080 me in. And so there it is. And the president's brain, as you and I speak here today, remains

00:42:56.080 missing unaccounted for.

00:43:01.220 That's infuriating, to say the least, to know that we have access to the best of the best and

00:43:08.260 we're not making those phone calls and those resources and you're the federal government. Make

00:43:11.980 the phone call. People want to know what's the big deal. Hour away to get somebody like that in

00:43:16.940 the room? Andrew, let me make another point. If that were to happen in the case against Mr. X is a

00:43:22.920 routine murder case in Dallas or Mr. Y here in Pittsburgh and the prosecution and the local

00:43:28.520 medical examiner corner had, you know, deliberately, malevolently or negligently gotten rid of the brain

00:43:35.680 and the defense was that, hey, there's two other shooters, another shooter and so on. You want to

00:43:40.420 know something? That case would be thrown out. It would not proceed to trial. Destruction of

00:43:46.220 evidence, spoliation of evidence, it is called. The case would have been thrown out. I'm telling you,

00:43:52.260 this is unbelievable.

00:43:53.880 It's insane when you think about that. See, I've done so many interviews on this topic and the deeper

00:43:58.800 I get, the more annoyed I get because a lack of, you know, in times of crisis, you learn a lot about

00:44:06.660 leadership, right? I'm in Iran. I'm a kid. We're getting bombed on 167 times in a day by Saddam Hussein.

00:44:13.540 I'm in Tehran. My dad puts us under the stairs because they would always tell us hide under the

00:44:17.900 stairs. It's me, my mom, my dad, my sister. And I'm looking at my dad and my dad's comp saying

00:44:22.000 everything's going to be all right. And I'm just hearing these whistling sounds. I said, this guy's a 0.98

00:44:25.780 leader. I'll follow this guy, right? I want to be like my dad when I grow up. And we go to all

00:44:29.340 these other places and we eventually make it to America. I'm in the U.S. Army. You have different

00:44:34.020 types of things that happens and you see and you say, wow, that guy's a freaking leader. And the 0.98

00:44:38.560 guy, this, it is a great leader. He ends up becoming a Delta Force, serves 20 years, goes to

00:44:42.200 T-Crit, does incredible stuff. We're still friends till today. Him and I just had a conversation

00:44:45.480 together yesterday. In situations like this, this is ultimate crisis. You know, we haven't had the

00:44:52.700 50 presidents being assassinated. We haven't had 50 presidents, period. This has only happened a

00:44:56.920 couple of times. How do you make those decisions and the judgment to not make those phone calls?

00:45:01.300 I have no idea. I would love to have, have had a conversation with the leader of day. You know,

00:45:08.440 I would love to know who the leader of day was. I think for me, you know, I am more curious about

00:45:14.800 who's the leader of day than I'm curious about who the second shooter was. I'm not concerned about the

00:45:18.660 second shooter. Oh, you're right. I'm curious who. Yeah. That's what I want to know. Yeah. He was just

00:45:23.020 an employee. You want to find out who the employer was. Absolutely. Yeah. So look, with the limited

00:45:28.240 time that we got, the last topic I want to talk about is you wrote something in May 14, 2020, about

00:45:33.020 the COVID-19. And you just talked about it here right now, saying every Sunday we get together with

00:45:37.200 the family in Pittsburgh. We're right next to each other. We have dinner, et cetera, et cetera, even

00:45:40.400 during COVID. So that means you have more than 10 people in the house if you're doing that. Here's

00:45:43.860 what you want people in violation of the governor's order. That's right. So I'm going to read this. I'm going to read

00:45:47.940 this, and I'm going to turn it over to you where you can share your thoughts on this. As a physician

00:45:51.380 specializing in forensic pathology, I'm only going to read two paragraphs, not the whole thing.

00:45:55.460 I am well aware of the importance of preventative health care measures and the tragedy of death.

00:45:59.400 And every one of the 21,000 autopsies that I've performed in the last 63 years, I've always thought

00:46:04.220 about the descendant's life and what the significance of that death is likely to have been to the family,

00:46:09.760 friends, and society. However, at the same time, as a sensitive and caring human being, husband,

00:46:14.720 father, and grandparent, I'm also very much aware of what it means to be alive, enjoying,

00:46:19.360 appreciating, being with the family and friends. Accordingly, I am rather puzzled by the limited

00:46:24.480 amount of coverage that I have noted in the four daily newspapers that I receive regarding what the

00:46:29.320 effects are among the living as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and what I consider to be

00:46:36.660 degree of hysteria and panic that has developed in association with the viral phenomenon.

00:46:41.160 Can you unpack that for the rest of us?

00:46:44.800 Yes. In today's New York Times, there's a report about a 24% increase in mental health problems

00:46:53.420 among children between the ages of 5 and 11 since this COVID lockdown. Child abuse cases physically

00:47:00.960 have risen. Drug abuse deaths have risen. Suicides have risen. And that's before in domestic situations,

00:47:08.220 you can imagine being locked up as a woman with a boot for a husband and a father with the children 0.96

00:47:12.960 for nine months. What that must be like? Think of all the millions of lives that have been destroyed,

00:47:17.860 the thousands of people who line up in their cars to get a box of food, millions of children going to

00:47:23.160 bed hungry every day and so on. Think about it. Those numbers of morbidity and mortality far exceed

00:47:29.960 the number of people who have died from COVID. And the number of people who have died from COVID,

00:47:34.840 that number is vastly inflated. When you die in a hospital and you have strokes and multiple

00:47:40.520 myocardial infarctions, heart attacks, metastatic tumor, and so on. But then you acquire COVID in the

00:47:47.100 final days, they sign your death as COVID. I do not believe the lockdowns for people under the age of 60 0.78

00:47:54.220 and certainly among children in elementary and high school and college and postgraduate level

00:47:59.940 should have been done. I think that should not have occurred. People who needed protection should

00:48:04.960 have gotten the utmost degree of protection in nursing homes, elderly, disabled, people who

00:48:10.260 suffer from chronic ailments and so on. These people have to be very careful indeed, and they have to be

00:48:15.100 the recipients of the best possible care and preventive medical measures that can be undertaken.

00:48:20.580 But to have locked down, as we have done, and the lives that have been destroyed,

00:48:24.920 the fortunes that have been lost, and this is going to be played out. We haven't seen the end of this yet.

00:48:29.940 I think this is far, far in excess. I think that a great degree of panic and hysteria set in.

00:48:37.260 The situation also became markedly politicized, and putting those together, and you have the

00:48:44.460 debacle of the great tragedies that exist today. Now, I think it's important for the audience to

00:48:51.320 know, you're a, and you may correct me on this, are you a registered independent or registered Democrat?

00:48:56.620 I'm a registered Democrat.

00:48:57.600 And you're a registered Democrat, and you're saying this, so it's not like you're giving a

00:49:01.000 political message. You're just giving a family.

00:49:02.480 No, no, exactly right. I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm not a, a Trump.

00:49:05.860 Right. That's, that's, that's the point, because, uh, and by the way, have you had COVID yet yourself

00:49:10.600 or no?

00:49:11.200 No, I'm getting a vaccine, uh, next week, uh, because I do coroner work, autopsies. Um,

00:49:17.060 no, I haven't.

00:49:17.740 Are you not scared? Why are you not scared? You're having dinner with family members? How

00:49:21.820 come you're not concerned about it?

00:49:22.940 No, it is not that, you know, I brazen and bold. Um, uh, when I go into a store where I

00:49:28.600 have to wear a mask, I do, but you know, I don't wear a mask here in my office. I don't

00:49:32.820 wear a mask when our family at 21 gets together. We don't sit there with masks and so on.

00:49:37.220 And I said, two of my, um, kids are, are doctors and so on. I don't know this. Everybody has

00:49:43.340 to deal with it the way that they feel they're comfortable with. Um, and, uh, you know, the

00:49:49.480 mask brigaders, as I call them, uh, fine. And they, they want to save lives. And somehow

00:49:56.280 they are unmindful, totally unmindful of all the lives that they are costing, uh, because

00:50:02.960 of their, um, uh, very zealot endeavors. Do you agree with Anthony Fauci's approach

00:50:09.560 to COVID and the lockdowns and shutdowns and shutting down of the schools, et cetera, et

00:50:13.200 cetera. Would you have a different perspective than what Fauci's done?

00:50:16.020 No, I admire and respect Dr. Fauci, whom I met with many years ago at a private dinner

00:50:20.820 in Washington, DC to a mutual friend and so on. I think he's a great man. However, I disagree,

00:50:26.780 as I've already said, with these total lockdowns. And by the way, you know, I'm not alone.

00:50:32.500 There are a lot of scientific studies. I just read one from Israel signed off by a hundred

00:50:37.220 top scientists, including Nobel laureates and so on. And a lot of people, uh, who are questioning,

00:50:43.520 uh, these things about the mask and the, and the lockdowns and so on. Uh, you know, we have

00:50:49.140 to deal with these things. We dealt with AIDS and Ebola and, and Zika, uh, and, uh, um, and

00:50:56.380 we're dealing with flu and so on. The death rate from flu and pneumonia every year exceeds

00:51:01.540 the death rate from COVID. You deal with these things. And Patrick, we're going to have other

00:51:06.360 regrettable epidemics like this. Are there going to be, you think this is the end? No

00:51:11.600 more. Will there be viruses, whether they come from China or elsewhere? No, of course

00:51:15.880 it's going to happen again. So what are you going to keep closing down society? Then let's

00:51:20.180 pack up the world and go off to Mars.

00:51:23.220 Why? So your, your approach is there's no need to shut down and go through the approach

00:51:27.200 that we went through. You say you leave the economy open, leave the businesses open. Let's

00:51:31.000 just make sure we're a little bit more cautious about ourselves. And so we don't spread this

00:51:34.440 and we don't get this.

00:51:35.480 Yes. And I think we've learned some things too, since then, washing our hands and not

00:51:39.080 coughing and breathing and sitting at a bar and, uh, and, uh, and spitting on the guy

00:51:45.020 next to you and so on. Yeah, we've learned and we should follow those things. Absolutely.

00:51:49.020 I wish I had a few hours with you. I really enjoyed talking.

00:51:50.960 I wish you are a great interviewer and I, I would love it. I apologize. I wish I had more

00:51:55.500 time and maybe we can get together again, Patrick.

00:51:58.500 I definitely look forward to it. Your wisdom is definitely appreciated by me. And I hope

00:52:02.020 the audience enjoyed you as much as I did.

00:52:03.920 I hope that they'll find the way to get my book to the life and deaths of Cyril Wick

00:52:08.140 memoirs of America's most controversial forensic pathologist available through Amazon. I hope

00:52:14.100 that they'll get that, read about some of my cases, learn about my own travails and trials

00:52:18.420 with the criminal justice system and learn about other things of great interest, please.

00:52:22.640 We will always put the link of the book below. And I typically do a video after this to get

00:52:26.860 everyone to buy your book, but yes, we will definitely put the link below for folks to

00:52:30.600 get with that being said. Thank you very much. Uh, I appreciate the opportunity and a great

00:52:36.500 pleasure talking with you. You're wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Different kind of a conversation,

00:52:41.560 right? When you're somebody like this 21,000 autopsies, the experiences 41,000, he's

00:52:45.840 supervised and seen. Imagine where he's coming from a Democrat saying his belief system,

00:52:50.900 how he's just telling the truth. Here's how I feel about this. Crazy. I love interviewing

00:52:56.980 people like this who are willing to challenge their own position and anybody else's position

00:53:01.860 because what they're solving for is the truth. And unfortunately, in times like this, people

00:53:06.360 who are seeking the truth sometimes get, uh, uh, criticized like he has. So anyways, I hope

00:53:12.920 you enjoyed the interview. I did. Uh, I'd like to know what you took away from it. If you haven't

00:53:16.080 ordered this book, uh, click on the link below. And if you enjoyed this interview, I got another

00:53:19.540 one I did with Jim Jenkins, which for whatever reason, the day we went live with the Jim Jenkins

00:53:24.100 interview, he was one of the first people that helped John F. Kennedy's brain at 21 years

00:53:28.500 old. When he tells a story about the assassination in the autopsy room, I mean, I, you are going

00:53:36.160 to want to hear his perspective on this. If you've not watched it, click over here to watch

00:53:41.920 the full interview. And then when you watch this interview, tell me what you took away from

00:53:45.880 this. Whether you comment in the video or send me a tweet directly at Patrick David because

00:53:50.640 I want to hear from you regarding the topic of JFK assassination. Take care, everyone. Bye-bye.

Valuetainment - January 08, 2021

The Endless JFK Assassination Cover Up Revealed by Forensic Pathologist, Dr Cyril Wecht

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