Valuetainment - January 08, 2021


The Endless JFK Assassination Cover Up Revealed by Forensic Pathologist, Dr Cyril Wecht


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

186.14127

Word Count

10,035

Sentence Count

637

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 How does one wake up in the morning and say,
00:00:02.460 you know what, I kind of want to be a forensic pathologist.
00:00:04.960 How does that happen?
00:00:05.920 Well, it did not happen quite like that.
00:00:09.120 Talk about the John F.K. assassination.
00:00:11.540 How did the events take place?
00:00:13.080 There's no question that the Warren Commission report is wrong.
00:00:16.280 It's absurd.
00:00:17.060 The single bullet theory is a total joke.
00:00:19.320 Why is the president of the World Bank on the Warren Commission?
00:00:22.820 Think about it.
00:00:23.740 They wanted to make a move on Russia and China.
00:00:26.320 That's intense right there.
00:00:27.520 The Zapruder film.
00:00:28.380 Where did they go?
00:00:29.120 Where did they run to?
00:00:30.160 They ran up to the grassy knoll.
00:00:32.000 We're not conspiratorial nutbags and theorists.
00:00:35.060 The Americans who continue to believe in the Warren Commission,
00:00:37.700 they are in the minority.
00:00:39.120 Human nature, we don't have a track record of holding secrets for too long.
00:00:42.600 These people at the super spook level,
00:00:45.720 they have a mindset that you and I can't understand.
00:00:50.180 If you read this in a novel, you wouldn't believe it.
00:00:52.460 Do you agree with Anthony Fauci's approach to COVID
00:00:55.020 and the lockdowns and shutdowns and shutting down other schools?
00:00:57.580 Child abuse cases physically have risen.
00:01:00.100 Drug abuse deaths have risen.
00:01:02.000 Suicides have risen.
00:01:03.400 What, are you going to keep closing down society?
00:01:05.360 Then let's pack up the world and go off to Mars.
00:01:08.200 The lives that have been destroyed, the fortunes that have been lost.
00:01:11.660 I'm telling you, this is unbelievable.
00:01:13.280 My guest today is Dr. Cyril Wecht,
00:01:20.020 probably one of the most legendary American forensic pathologists,
00:01:25.060 but some would also say controversial because he was one of the first that came out in 1965.
00:01:31.380 He presented a paper critiquing the Warren Commission
00:01:34.940 to the meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences,
00:01:37.680 which not a lot of people were happy about,
00:01:39.680 that in 1972, he became the first civilian ever given permission to examine the Kennedy assassination evidence.
00:01:47.420 And aside from that, he has commented he became famous when we went on TV
00:01:52.280 and he started giving his opinion and his thoughts on RFK assassination, MLK.
00:01:56.720 He's worked on a lot of different assignments, 21,000 autopsies that he personally did,
00:02:04.040 and 41,000 plus that he signed off and he supervised.
00:02:08.400 So with that being said, Dr. Wecht, thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.
00:02:11.820 Good morning, Patrick. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having invited me.
00:02:14.980 Before we get into a lot of these topics and what you've experienced is,
00:02:18.720 how does one wake up in the morning and say,
00:02:21.020 you know what, I kind of want to be a forensic pathologist? How does that happen?
00:02:24.180 Well, it did not happen quite like that. I went to medical school and I had begun to think
00:02:33.880 in my third year of medical school of combining law and medicine because I became
00:02:39.040 infatuated with the activities that occurred at the interface of law and medicine.
00:02:46.160 And then I proceeded along those lines by enrolling in law school,
00:02:50.800 which I attended while I was doing a full-time residency in pathology.
00:02:55.860 Two years at the VA hospital here in Pittsburgh, two years as a captain in the United States Air Force.
00:03:01.020 And then I decided I wanted to do forensic pathology along that way.
00:03:05.660 And I did my fifth year as a fellow in forensic pathology, research fellow and associate pathologist
00:03:11.580 at the Maryland Medical Examiner's Office in Baltimore and finished my third year of law school that evening.
00:03:17.580 So it evolved in that fashion. I decided that the most important area of medical forensic science
00:03:27.420 activities occurred in the field of forensic pathology insofar as the combining of law and medicine is concerned.
00:03:36.880 Was there an event that kind of lit you up or have you always been a fiery guy?
00:03:43.600 Because, you know, some of us, something happens in our lives where all of a sudden you go from,
00:03:50.700 you see somebody like, it was a pretty nice guy, you know, easygoing guy.
00:03:53.640 Yeah, he's a pretty driven guy. But what the hell happened to him in five years?
00:03:57.420 Why is he so lit up and fired up? Was there an event that kind of inspired you?
00:04:02.880 No, Patrick, I guess I've always been.
00:04:05.920 Okay.
00:04:06.240 I really think I don't go looking for trouble, but I address matters that are interesting to me
00:04:15.200 and matters in which I become involved. And a lot of people don't like that.
00:04:18.680 And I've paid a price. I've paid a big price, deprived of various honors, various accolades.
00:04:26.520 I've had two really difficult legal trials filed against me, which I had to defend myself against
00:04:32.520 in the 79 to 81 in Allegheny County. And then 2006 to 2009 at the federal level here with the
00:04:40.060 U.S. Attorney FBI's office. I've paid a price, Patrick. And, you know, I don't want to sound
00:04:46.200 like an egotistical, pompous ass, but I can't help think about Frank Sinatra's great song,
00:04:52.080 but I did it my way. Sometimes I bit off more than I can chew, but I, you know, I swallowed
00:04:58.560 it and did it my way.
00:05:01.080 You know, I think a lot of times people will also give credit to those on who respects your
00:05:07.760 track record on how you went about doing what you did. And you, you, you know, the right
00:05:12.320 people have tremendous respect on how much you were committed to the truth. I think F.
00:05:17.700 Lee Bailey one time said that you couldn't be intimidated.
00:05:21.320 If you faced, if somebody faced you with a Sherman tank is what he said. And Alan Dershowitz
00:05:27.800 said, Alan Dershowitz said, Dr. Wecht is not a witness for a higher. He's a witness for
00:05:34.200 truth, which truth can be pretty scary nowadays.
00:05:37.600 Those comments mean a great deal to me. Both of them are friends. I've worked with both of
00:05:43.260 them on cases. Alan Dershowitz in the Sonny Von Bulow case, Lee Bailey in several cases, and
00:05:48.920 we've remained good friends over the years to have comments like that from two people
00:05:53.100 of that stature. They themselves are quite controversial, obviously. And I guess maybe
00:05:59.900 what do they say? Birds of a feather, feather flock together. Is that the expression?
00:06:04.340 Yeah, that makes sense. So why don't we go into, since we have limited time together, I mean,
00:06:08.260 we have a lot of directions we can go, but why don't we go through and talk about the
00:06:14.320 John F.K. assassination? Let's start there and we'll see based on the kind of time that
00:06:18.000 we have, we'll go into other things. So if you look at the Gallup report, a study will
00:06:23.840 show that when it comes on to the Warren Commission from 1963 till today, it's gone from people who
00:06:32.760 believe another person was involved, okay? How many people believe another person was involved
00:06:38.220 and how many people believe there was only one man involved, right? The percentage was,
00:06:42.000 used to be 29%, that only one man was involved, then 36%, then it went to 11%, 14%. Today,
00:06:50.300 around 60%, 65% to 70%, depending on the year, believe another person was involved. It wasn't just
00:06:58.800 one man that took out John F. Kennedy. From your experience, I've been doing this for so many
00:07:04.180 years. You've written about it. You've talked about it. You've talked about it here at the,
00:07:08.040 you know, in Dallas to the JFK Museum. You've been all over the place and spoken about this.
00:07:12.560 Where are you at now with your thoughts on what really happened at the event? And was there one
00:07:18.360 man, two man? How did the events take place? Patrick, as the years have gone by and more serious,
00:07:25.200 scientifically based studies have been performed. My opinions have been solidified, corroborated,
00:07:33.200 and underscored. There's no question that the Warren Commission report is wrong. It's absurd.
00:07:39.680 The single bullet theory is a total joke. If this were any other case, a lot of my colleagues would
00:07:46.180 have joined me, including back with the House Select Committee on Assassinations Forensic Pathology
00:07:50.900 Panel in 78, would have joined me in attacking it. But they decided in some kind of a submissive,
00:07:58.900 placid, impassive fashion to go along. The civil bullet theory, which holds that one bullet produced
00:08:08.500 seven wounds in two men. President Kennedy, Governor John Connolly zigzagged in the air right to left,
00:08:13.960 up and down, breaking two large bones in this six foot four big bone Texan, Governor John Connolly,
00:08:20.380 emerged near pristine with a weight loss of only one and a half percent, the entire copper jack of the
00:08:26.220 lead core bullet intact, except for a slight deformity at the base on the impact of the firing
00:08:31.240 mechanism. That is incredible. And if you don't have a single bullet theory, then you don't have
00:08:36.460 a sole assassin. But there are many other studies, including neurological, neurosurgical, radiological,
00:08:43.840 photographic, and acoustical. The acoustics evidence itself is what led the House Select Committee on
00:08:49.700 Assassination back in 79, when they gave their final report to say that with all likelihood and great
00:08:55.660 probability that there was more to it than a single assassin. People don't know this. This is a
00:09:02.620 bipartisan committee of the top legislative leaders, Democratic and Republican, who came to that
00:09:08.460 conclusion. And yet, Patrick, not a darn thing was done about it. Absolutely unbelievable. The acoustic
00:09:14.860 evidence clearly shows, and it was performed by the two top outfits in America, Bolt, Berenic, and Newman
00:09:20.820 out of Boston, and Weiss and Ashkenazi in Queens College, New York, that the shots came from both the rear
00:09:28.660 and the front. And if you look at the reaction of the people that day in the Zapruder film and talk to
00:09:34.340 people who were there, where did they go? Where did they run to? They ran up to the grassy knoll
00:09:38.900 behind the picket fence, which is where the second shooter was. It's all there. And then when you study
00:09:45.260 things, as I have done, from a pathological standpoint with colleagues in radiology and neurosurgery
00:09:51.400 and neurology, you see the damage done to the president's head. By the way, Patrick, what the
00:10:01.880 doctors that night at Bethesda Naval Hospital concluded was far different from what has been
00:10:08.840 observed by a dozen or more top surgeons at the Parkland Hospital in Dallas. These Texas
00:10:17.640 surgeons with no axe to grind, they described what they saw in terms of the damage to the back of the
00:10:25.320 president's head, the occipital area, cerebellar tissue, which is that part of the brain located in the
00:10:31.560 rear and inferior. And all of this was found to be intact by Humes and Boswell that night at Bethesda.
00:10:39.240 Humes and Boswell, career naval pathologists, I want to emphasize this clearly, had never done a single
00:10:47.400 gunshot wound autopsy in their entire careers. How does that offend you? I have said and I've made
00:10:54.040 this offer countless times to anybody. You find any country in which the king, president, prime
00:10:59.560 minister, premier has been assassinated without autopsy has not been done by the top medical,
00:11:05.240 legal forensic apology people in that country. You won't find one country at all. Only in the United
00:11:11.000 States of America could they have so, so be so emboldened, so brazen, so arrogant as to think
00:11:18.520 they can get away with this. Well, they regrettably have gotten away with it, even though, as you pointed
00:11:23.960 out in your prefatory question commentary, that the majority of Americans have always rejected the
00:11:32.600 Warren Commission report. So I and my colleagues, we're not conspiratorial nutbags and theorists. The
00:11:39.240 Americans who continue to believe in the Warren Commission, they are in the minority.
00:11:44.200 You know, I hear you say that, and then I talked to Jim Jenkins, and I had Jim Jenkins on a year ago,
00:11:49.640 and maybe a year and a half ago, and I'll never forget what he said. For 50 years, he didn't want
00:11:54.200 to come out and talk about it. I said, why don't you want to talk about it? If you see Jim Jenkins,
00:11:57.560 he's a very quiet to himself. His wife is right next to me and reserve, went about his business,
00:12:04.200 left the business. He says, when I was there, first of all, two cars came. One of them was with
00:12:10.600 Jackie in it, but what Jackie thought John F. Kennedy's body was in the back. It wasn't.
00:12:15.240 A complete different car brought him in, and the body came from the back because Jim Jenkins was there.
00:12:19.640 And he says, when I held the brain, there had already been done an incision in the brain I was
00:12:25.000 holding. Somebody had already worked on the brain. They had already done something. This is Jim Jenkins
00:12:30.040 talking about this. I said, Jim, if you've known this for all these years, why haven't you come
00:12:34.920 out and said anything? He says, Patrick, I'm a simple man, and they told me if you're quiet and
00:12:39.560 you go away, they're not going to do nothing to you. And my wife and I just decided to go away and
00:12:43.640 not do anything, just have a regular career. And he's still married to the same woman he was married
00:12:48.120 to at the time when this event took place. So there are so many people that agree with you. There are so
00:12:54.760 many people that are aligned with you. What needs to happen? Who needs to come out and
00:12:59.800 officially say, yes, there was more than a single bullet theory. There was more than one person
00:13:05.400 involved. Who needs to come out and say that for it to become official? And do you think that'll ever
00:13:10.200 happen? Well, Patrick, when I was younger, I used to think that it would happen. Now I must say,
00:13:16.680 with great, great dismay, but to be realistic, I don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime.
00:13:23.480 Whether it will happen down the road, another decade or two, when somebody feels that everybody
00:13:30.360 possibly involved, even the political progeny, you know, the children and the grandchildren,
00:13:36.200 politically speaking, of everybody involved, are gone from the scene too. Maybe they'll make a move.
00:13:42.360 But they've been able to cover it up, and they have done so now since 1963. Just think, let's see,
00:13:50.440 you know, 37, 57 years have been able to cover it up. So as far as who would have to do it,
00:13:56.360 it would have to come now, then from the executive branch of the government. Because as I've already
00:14:01.640 pointed out, the House Select Committee, there you had the United States Congress coming in with their
00:14:06.680 findings, and they were ignored. The family, well, once Teddy Kennedy was gone, and John John was gone,
00:14:13.000 that left only, and Robert was gone, that left only Caroline Kennedy. And I don't, I can't speak for
00:14:19.640 her or engage in conjecture. But obviously, she made a decision to let it go and not make this a
00:14:25.720 campaign for the rest of her life, impacting on her, her husband and her children. And so that's where we
00:14:32.520 stand. Don't you think like, when you sometimes process this, and you know, you're, you've spent endless
00:14:39.160 hours on these topics, because this is your world. It's like talking to a guy, Stephen A. Smith, who
00:14:44.520 he has had endless debates of who's the greatest basketball player of all time, LeBron James, Kobe,
00:14:48.720 Brian, Will Chamberlain, or, you know, Michael Jordan. He's done that tens of thousands of hours.
00:14:53.000 It's his world. You know, you can talk to the Anderson Coopers and the Bill O'Reilly's of the world.
00:14:58.940 Their debates has been always about politics. But the question I have for you is, say the people that
00:15:04.780 were involved in wanting to hold it back as a secret for people to not find out, right?
00:15:09.560 There had to have been five, 10 people that knew what really happened. And then the next question
00:15:15.660 becomes those five to 10 people, what are the chances of people being able to hold a secret
00:15:21.400 for 50 some years? Because you're talking to your wife, and you almost kind of want to talk,
00:15:26.540 your wife's going to nag eventually. She's going to say, why don't you tell me? I've been married
00:15:29.780 to you. Why don't you trust me? And the husband finally says, well, babe, let me tell you what
00:15:32.620 happened. Here's what happened. Then the husband dies. The wife's talking to her sister one day,
00:15:36.220 says, do you really know what happened? Then the sister goes and tells her brother and the sister
00:15:39.860 tells seven people that those 28 people, then it comes back saying the truth is, here's what really
00:15:44.580 happened. If there is somebody that had a real motive that this was a bigger plan than just a
00:15:51.440 person that shot him. How come no one's come out and leaked it? I mean, it's not like the human
00:15:57.200 nature. We don't have a track record of holding secrets for too long. Yes. You know what I'm saying?
00:16:01.800 Yes, I know. That's a very good observation that you have set forth. Well, first of all,
00:16:08.220 I believe that the number of people who made this decision at the highest level of the CIA and
00:16:13.660 military, active or just recently retired from those positions, I don't know, I think no more than
00:16:21.680 maybe five or six people, if indeed that many. And thereafter, Patrick, it was a matter of people
00:16:28.980 doing things with a limited right to know, you know, just do your assignment and not anybody going
00:16:34.900 on. The second part of my answer is this, that, and it's an excellent, excellent observation question
00:16:40.440 you have posed. And that is as, as difficult as it is for intelligent people like you and me
00:16:46.940 to understand this. These people at the super spook level, CIA organizations that we don't even know
00:16:56.880 about, they, they have a mindset, Patrick, that you and I can't understand when it comes to keeping a
00:17:05.080 secret. These people, you know, they, they, they live in their own world. They are super, super patriots.
00:17:11.740 They know what is good for America. They saw America going to hell in the basket with what
00:17:17.540 Kennedy was doing nationally and internationally, what was happening across the world. And this
00:17:23.120 wasn't going to be, but in any event, so they made that decision and that's it. And they're gone now,
00:17:29.140 Patrick, they're gone. Did they share this with other people? Well, their spouses, they're gone too.
00:17:35.760 They're number one people. They're right-hand men and women. They're gone too. It's been a lot of
00:17:41.860 time, a lot of years. And many of my fellow Warren Commission critic researchers, they're gone. Mark
00:17:49.960 Lane and Sylvia Maher and all these people who have written great books and extensive studies
00:17:56.220 that they undertook. So this is, I, I, I can't give you a specific answer, obviously, except to say
00:18:03.880 that when you and I think about, how do you keep something tight? How do you keep something to
00:18:08.740 yourself? And you can't think of it in a normal fashion. The psychology of, of people is just
00:18:18.620 different at that super, super duper spy level. And those are the people that did it.
00:18:24.780 Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's interesting. You say that because for me, I bank on man's
00:18:30.100 temptation to commit sin. I bank on man's temptation to drink liquor and want to brag and take credit.
00:18:39.600 I remember one time I was interviewing the chief disguise officer who used to work under President
00:18:42.880 Bush and she made a whole fake face of President Bush. And he couldn't believe that this person
00:18:48.400 looks like Bush. She told me, she said, I said, what's the quality of a good CIA agent? She said,
00:18:53.360 a great quality of a great CIA agent is somebody that's extremely confident, a lot of swagger,
00:18:58.880 great charisma, great at sales. However, he has no desire to take credit for taking down an empire.
00:19:08.220 I said, what a quality. I said, how do you find that? She says, you don't. It's very hard to find.
00:19:12.960 So again, for me, I'm like, you're 83 years old. You're on your deathbed. You're laying there. You
00:19:18.840 know, something the world wants to know. Your grandson is over there. You whisper to little Johnny
00:19:23.100 saying, Hey, little Johnny, you're 48 years old. Now I just want you to know, here's what happened to
00:19:28.060 JFK. Don't ever tell anybody. And little Johnny's like, let me go write a book about it. And 7 million
00:19:33.440 people read about it. That's where I kind of go with that. But let me go a different angle with
00:19:37.020 you. So there's a lot of different conspiracies. By the way, many people call you a conspiracy
00:19:40.560 theorist, but I think you're very comfortable with that. And nowadays, anybody that says there
00:19:44.420 was more than a single, you know, shoot, you know, just one person involved. You're a single bullet
00:19:50.460 theory. You're a conspiracy theorist. But I'm going to go through some of these. And you tell me
00:19:54.520 which one of these you give some credence to and which one of them you say, Pat, I don't
00:19:58.240 know if I give a lot of credence to this. So the grassy, no, you know, saying the fact
00:20:03.160 that, you know, the, the, the second shooter that came, you know, the, the, you know, what
00:20:10.140 is it called? There was another person. It wasn't just somebody that came. There was somebody
00:20:14.180 from the other side that shot as well. So that one, you just said right now, there was a
00:20:17.920 shooter. Right. So that one is, yes, you're saying that when it happened, you already said
00:20:22.660 that, that is what I believe. And I won't repeat what I have already said, all kinds
00:20:28.000 have shown that was the position of the other shooter. Yep. The second one is the
00:20:33.040 black umbrella, man. You know, Steve Louis with who, you know, he lifted it up. And
00:20:37.120 was he signaling? Did he have a bullet that he shot out of the umbrella? Maybe he had
00:20:42.480 something that he did, or he was signaling to another shooter. And then they do the
00:20:46.460 interview with him afterwards. And he says, no, I just held the umbrella up because I'm a
00:20:50.380 conservative Republican. And I kind of wanted to distract him and kind of wanted to go back
00:20:54.700 and, you know, highlight and link it between him and Chamberlain because of the appeasement,
00:21:00.140 et cetera, et cetera. So do you, do you give any credence to the black umbrella, man?
00:21:04.760 I am not certain about that. It would be an incredibly fortuitous, unbelievably synchronized
00:21:14.360 event if it just happened in that kind of a fashion. At the same time, of course, it could
00:21:19.840 have happened in that way. I don't know. The black umbrella man has been looked into and
00:21:24.600 I don't have a simple, straightforward, unequivocal answer to give you.
00:21:29.160 I just wonder if sometimes somebody shows up and says, I just want you and I was involved
00:21:32.880 and I wanted to tell you this, please keep this between. Like I get regular emails because
00:21:36.460 I'll interview somebody that's controversial. Let's just say, you know, we send me to
00:21:39.960 Will Gravano. Okay. And then people who are in the mob will email me and they'll say,
00:21:44.080 please keep this anonymous. You will not know my name, but dot, dot, dot. Here's what really
00:21:49.020 happened in the events with Paul Castellano and John Gotti. I was there at Sparks restaurant,
00:21:53.780 et cetera, et cetera. And they give me their whole story. I wonder if you got a lot of these
00:21:56.640 emails over the years. Here's the third one. Mob did it because the mob helped the Kennedys
00:22:02.460 with Illinois because he kind of needed it. So they got the mayor, I don't know, 7,000 dead
00:22:07.440 people voted. And then they were hoping that the Kennedys were going to help with Castro and
00:22:11.740 Cuba because Meyer Lansky was taking a hit with his hotels in Cuba when Fidel came and says,
00:22:17.480 you got to get the hell out of here. And then RFK flips and RFK ends up going after the family,
00:22:22.760 after the mob. And so RFK ended up feeling guilty. The fact that maybe he was the reason
00:22:27.040 that killed his brother. Do you think killed his brother? Do you think the mob had a major
00:22:31.620 involvement in the hit? I think the mob had a major involvement subsequently to take care of
00:22:37.440 various people, beginning with Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Rubinstein, Jack Ruby, little Jacob
00:22:45.320 Rubinstein from the mafia from the age of 17 in Chicago. I do not believe that the mafia played
00:22:51.260 a role in the primary decision to assassinate the president because remember what they would be left
00:22:57.340 with would be Robert Kennedy as attorney general. So where were they going with that? I do believe
00:23:03.120 there's no question that they were used to follow up to get rid of various people after this happened.
00:23:08.200 Yes. Got it. So they were not the lead domino, but they were one of the dominoes needed. They were
00:23:14.260 not the first one that pushed everything else. They would not have dared to do it. And more importantly,
00:23:18.860 Patrick, they did not have the wherewithal to really undertake this without and plan to get away
00:23:26.260 with it. Only, only the highest level of government as a CIA military level could have performed this
00:23:34.740 and gotten away with it. So, so, so then the next one becomes the government did it. The government
00:23:41.340 was behind it. According to biographer Philip Shannon, he said, apparently Bobby Kennedy's first
00:23:45.960 suspicion was that it was some rogue element in the CIA. However, after meeting with the CIA director,
00:23:50.340 John McCone, RFK changed his mind. However, at the same time, CIA leaders were notably angry
00:23:55.400 with Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs invasion. I mean, we all know this. And the CIA spokesperson,
00:24:01.420 Edward Prince told NBC, while the CIA conspiracy theories make good fodder for movies, but they
00:24:07.020 are pure fiction. Thoughts on that? I believe when I say CIA, I mean, CIA related, whether they were
00:24:14.300 actively involved at that time, whether they recently resigned. Remember John Allen, Allen Dulles
00:24:20.680 was the CIA director. He was fired by Kennedy following the fire. Yeah, he was fired. And then
00:24:26.460 he is appointed to the Warren commission. And he's the one who played the major role in the
00:24:31.360 Warren commission. Justice Warren was pretty busy with the Supreme court. The two U S senators and the
00:24:36.120 two Congressmen are pretty damn busy with their congressional duties. So who is running the show
00:24:40.800 there? Allen Dulles. Incredible. Unbelievable. If you wrote this, if you read this in a novel,
00:24:46.340 you wouldn't believe it. Yeah. Very interesting. People were on that, by the way, you know, the
00:24:50.460 president of the world bank, what is he doing? I know obviously Gerald Ford, but why, why is the
00:24:55.220 president of the world bank on the Warren commission to what does that have to do with
00:25:00.820 very interesting people that were involved in that? And you know, the, the, the, the, the Southerners
00:25:07.360 on there, Senator, uh, Russell, um, uh, and Senator Wong, they Richard Russell, Jr. They very
00:25:15.680 reluctantly went along at, at LBJ's insistence. And we all know, you know, best of all there
00:25:23.000 in Texas, what LBJ could do with the literal figurative twisting of the arms. Not many people
00:25:29.680 dare defy LBJ. So they were very, so that leads me to the last question here, which is when I'm
00:25:39.100 sitting with Jim Jenkins, I said, uh, who benefited the most from, you know, John F. Kennedy being
00:25:47.220 assassinated, who benefited the most? I would ask you, I'm curious to know what you would say,
00:25:51.760 who benefited the most from John F. Kennedy being assassinated? The people collectively,
00:25:57.520 including their leaders who, who were very unhappy with what Kennedy had done, failed, failed to do
00:26:05.160 with the invasion of Cuba, what he was attempting to do, uh, with, uh, warming up the cold war with
00:26:12.380 Russia, what he was attempting to do to pull our troops out of Vietnam. Collectively, these people
00:26:17.500 who were very, very distressed and remember it, Patrick, they were looking at five more years of
00:26:22.740 John Kennedy, most likely to be followed by eight years of Bobby Kennedy, 13 years.
00:26:27.120 There's a lifetime in the social political, uh, evolution of a country. You don't just sit
00:26:34.600 back. This isn't a ball game and say, where we bat up in the ninth inning of the third period of the
00:26:40.300 hockey game or the last half of the hot basketball game. No, you got to make your move. You know,
00:26:44.980 13 years, look, look what has happened under Trump. I don't want to digress into politics. I'm just
00:26:50.720 saying like it or not, pro-Trump, anti-Trump, look what has been accomplished, uh, in four years,
00:26:56.540 uh, so to say then what would have been accomplished in 13 more years of John and Robert Kennedy to
00:27:04.180 these people, it was frightening. So they're the ones who benefited.
00:27:07.440 So when you say they, they saved America. So who is the leader of they? I know it's not proper
00:27:18.720 English, what I'm saying to you. So that's where I'm going. So who was the leader of they at the
00:27:23.320 time? I, I'm not sure who was the specific leader. Certainly Alan Dulles, uh, uh, figures in there.
00:27:30.540 Remember, you remember those generals after World War II, they wanted to bomb Russia, right? I mean,
00:27:37.040 wanted to go in and destroy China. Um, you know, the general, you know, LeMay here and Admiral
00:27:44.120 Cromwell in there, these people think about it. Americans have forgotten this and many Americans
00:27:49.060 don't even know who they were and what was going on. This is what we were dealing with post-World
00:27:54.800 War II. They wanted to make a move on Russia and China. So, so when I asked, uh, Jim Jenkins,
00:28:02.080 Jim Jenkins, uh, answer was two names. He said, J Edgar Hoover. And I asked him a question. I said,
00:28:07.160 tell me what you think about Lyndon Johnson. Okay. And I have to tell you, he was quiet for a good
00:28:14.800 minute. I mean, he was uncomfortable when the name Lyndon Johnson came. What do you think about
00:28:18.960 when you hear the name Lyndon Johnson? What do you think about him? Well, I, I personally do not
00:28:24.360 believe that Johnson was involved in the plot to kill Kennedy. I do believe that he certainly came
00:28:29.940 to know darn fast and chose not to do anything about it. Um, I don't believe that Hoover, whom I
00:28:35.880 despise, I don't believe that he was involved in the plot, but he certainly, certainly was the key
00:28:42.460 person in covering it up. Already announcing the day after that weekend that Lee Harvey Oswald was a
00:28:49.020 sole assassin. How in the world, Patrick, think of a murder that occurred in Dallas last week. I'll
00:28:54.260 think of a murder that occurred in Pittsburgh. I'll think of the murders that I deal with as a
00:28:58.020 medical legal consultant around the country recently, the one in Israel and so on. Uh, it takes time
00:29:04.100 to determine who's involved. You may think that, you know, who the shooter is. You may even know who
00:29:10.500 the shooter is because you saw him, but you don't know who was behind the shooter. You don't know
00:29:15.300 whether he had anybody else involved. How is it possible with this shooting that he already
00:29:21.920 determined Hoover by Sunday, Monday after the shooting that Oswald acted alone? How is that?
00:29:28.100 It's not possible. There's no way in the world, given the, the, the might and armamentarium and
00:29:34.980 extensive power of the FBI. There's no way he could have ascertained that. So Johnson and Hoover,
00:29:41.120 in my opinion, played the major roles in covering up. I don't believe that they were involved in the
00:29:46.440 planning to assassinate the president. However, many of my colleagues do feel otherwise. Many of
00:29:51.820 them do feel that Johnson and Hoover were involved or one or the other. Why don't you think, I mean,
00:29:56.900 if, if they did that over the weekend and they quickly moved, they moved so quickly. When you read
00:30:03.480 the details behind closed doors, I mean, Lyndon Johnson moved very, very quickly to go be announced,
00:30:11.000 the president, get the recognition, get up there and go and talk to Jackie and, you know, impose
00:30:16.200 himself. Cause he never liked that Irish family. These mother, you know, what can't wait to get
00:30:21.340 him the hell out of here. There's a lot of dark stuff when you read about Lyndon Johnson and here's
00:30:25.700 John F. Kennedy, who was enamored, loved, adored by America, by the world. Everybody appreciated him.
00:30:32.400 And this Lyndon guy cannot get the kind of love that he gets, but he was way more ambitious than
00:30:36.300 John F. Kennedy. Let's not forget that the most ambitious kid in the Kennedy family was the
00:30:40.520 one that died in war as a pilot. It was never supposed to be John F. Kennedy to be president. It
00:30:44.940 was supposed to be Joseph Kennedy, the oldest son to be president. So how did you get so lucky to be
00:30:49.260 president? You never cared about being a president and you had back problems. My entire life, I wanted
00:30:53.300 to be a president. You become the president. And then all of a sudden you move quickly and you have
00:30:57.720 this power and authority. Why would all your colleagues and friends telling you what, what's your
00:31:03.040 reasoning for not thinking that Hoover and Johnson were the ones involved and they were the leaders
00:31:09.120 of they? Well, it's an excellent question. And let me say that I am not adamant in expressing my
00:31:16.020 belief that they were not involved. Got it. Okay. And, uh, you know, I'm, I, I, I can readily
00:31:21.440 appreciate, understand, and accept without, uh, attempting to argue strenuously against, uh, such an
00:31:28.360 allegation that they may well have been involved. You make an excellent point. I, uh, I, I don't know.
00:31:33.420 And I, and I despise Hoover and Johnson, uh, you know, I have mixed feelings about he accomplished
00:31:39.180 a great deal, uh, but his personality and the things that he did his own personal life and the
00:31:45.780 things that he did politically and so on certainly are not to be, uh, complimented, uh, or accepted
00:31:52.640 passively. Well, I appreciate that. That's, that's, uh, that's fair enough. You know, you, you,
00:31:58.320 in an interview once said, you don't even know where you think Harvey Oswald was the shooter.
00:32:04.460 I think you said, I don't even believe it was him that even shot. You're right. Where were you
00:32:09.760 going with that? I don't think you answered the whole question because the interview didn't ask
00:32:13.240 you, but where were you going with that? Where I'm going with that is I think that Oswald was a
00:32:18.160 set up passy from the very beginning. Um, and, but you know, I just want to make it clear that my
00:32:23.840 involvement in this over all of these half the century of years is not to posthumously exonerate
00:32:30.560 exculpate Lee Harvey Oswald. In fact, Patrick, I always say when I give this talk, you want Oswald
00:32:35.460 as a shooter? Fine. Just give me the second shooter because of the laws of Texas and every state
00:32:41.060 and in the country and under federal government, two people involved, uh, in the planning execution
00:32:46.880 coverup of a criminal act makes it a conspiracy. So that opens up the door. So I don't really give a
00:32:51.840 damn about Oswald. I want, I want to make that clear, but I do believe that it is so contrived
00:32:58.780 that AJ Heidel ordering this piece of junk weapon, a Manneker Carcano by mail, and then leaving it
00:33:06.140 there, uh, uh, conveniently in his six floor layer and so on. Um, and remember Oswald was seen on the
00:33:14.640 second floor getting a bottle of soda from a machine when the cops were dashed in and the supervisor said,
00:33:20.300 he's okay, he works here. It would have been seconds, a, the Southeast corner to get over to
00:33:24.380 the Northwest corner where the stairwell was located and to be down there in a matter of seconds and so
00:33:29.800 on. Highly, highly unlikely. I really believe, you know, going back to the whole thing, two and a half
00:33:35.360 years in Russia, uh, marrying, uh, the niece of a KGB colonel coming back, not being interrogated.
00:33:42.420 I was interrogated more when I made a professional trip in 1972 with some colleagues to visit with
00:33:47.900 forensic opologists in Moscow and Leningrad. Two FBI agents came to my office two days later when I
00:33:52.900 returned to America to ask me what I saw, what I observed and so on in a friendly way, but they
00:33:58.120 were interested in knowing my observation. They didn't give a damn about Lee Harvey Oswald at the
00:34:02.520 two and a half years. Now the whole thing was just, just, just an incredible setup. Uh, that's a
00:34:08.140 an enigma. And you know, I have come to know and met with the Marie Oswald and I realize she's a
00:34:14.800 wife and so on, but she firmly adamantly believes that he had nothing to do with it for what that's
00:34:21.760 worth. Interesting. What do you think about a George Bush senior? George Bush senior? You mean in terms
00:34:30.280 of this, uh, JFK plot? Yeah. And as far as the JFK plot, any involvement? No, no. I do not believe
00:34:38.120 that George Bush senior was involved. No. Got it. There's, there's a lot of, uh, interesting
00:34:42.860 stories that you get with it that come out. I mean, Gallup has a whole list on what percentages
00:34:48.400 at the top, the number one, believe it or not, the number one conspiracy that the American voters
00:34:54.500 believe in that's got the biggest vote was it was a mafia organized crime gangster. That's number
00:35:00.300 one. That's from Gallup. Number two is U S government, federal government, three is CIA,
00:35:04.880 a forest Fidel Castro from Cuba. Then it is five special interest groups. Then it's political
00:35:10.920 groups. Then it's Q Klux Klan. Then it's London, then it's Soviet union. Then it's right. You know,
00:35:15.580 it's a very interesting, you know, uh, why do you think it's so important for us to know who was
00:35:21.700 behind this? So why can't the American people just move on with this event that took place? Why can't we
00:35:27.520 just say folks will never know just move on? Why are we so dead set on wanting to know exactly what
00:35:35.080 happened at this event? Who was behind it? I believe it is important not to ignore and let this go,
00:35:44.020 Patrick, because it gets to the heart of what America is, uh, who we are, what we're going to be.
00:35:50.600 If something like this can happen and, uh, be covered up in this fashion, then, uh, it could
00:35:57.000 happen again. Um, I believe it's very important, not just from a moral ethical standpoint, um, not
00:36:05.680 just to correct history, but because it gets to the very essence, to the very core of America and who
00:36:13.600 we are and what we became and what we could have been and should have been and would have been
00:36:20.660 under, under, uh, John Kennedy for another five years. I, I, I just don't think this is something
00:36:27.160 that you could set aside and consider yourself to be a serious, earnest, true believer in America
00:36:34.160 and what it stands for. Doc, do you have kids? Yes, I have four, uh, married children, 11 grandchildren.
00:36:40.960 Nice. I have three, I have one on the way. So I'll, uh, God willing, I'll, I'll have the fourth in the
00:36:47.560 next few months, but, uh, do you think there are certain things that is better for your kids to
00:36:54.520 never know where we'll be kept between you and your wife as a secret? An excellent question. Um,
00:37:02.680 I think aside from things of a very personal private nature, but otherwise, um, I want my kids
00:37:12.460 to know, and we share things. We're very close and we get together every Sunday night for a big family
00:37:17.940 dinner. I'm fortunate to have them all living here in the greater Pittsburgh area. And we've been
00:37:23.180 getting together even through COVID from June and July. And we see individual families, uh, invariably,
00:37:29.900 uh, one or two of them during the week, as well as our Sunday night dinners. So we share and discuss
00:37:36.240 things. And my kids, uh, my oldest son is a state Supreme Court justice. My second son is a neurosurgeon.
00:37:42.500 My third son is director of the Cyril H. Buckley Institute of Forensic Science and Law at Buchanan
00:37:46.760 University. And my fourth child, my only girl daughter is an obstetrician gynecologist. I'm very proud of
00:37:53.080 them. They're very intelligent. Um, and, uh, and, uh, you know, I've spoken and, uh, no, we, we share,
00:38:00.680 we don't keep secrets. By the way, congratulations on, on, uh, I read about that. That was probably the
00:38:06.700 most impressive thing about you and you got an incredible resume, but that's probably the most,
00:38:10.080 that's probably what you're most impressed with what you and your wife have done. Yeah. Proud of,
00:38:15.060 uh, but you know, do you think the government kind of looks at it and says, listen, American people,
00:38:20.060 we look at you guys as our babies and it's best. There are certain things you shouldn't know about
00:38:25.200 what really happened. You are better off not knowing the truth. Do you think that's kind of
00:38:29.240 how they see us citizens that you're too small to know this kind of stuff? Cause you couldn't
00:38:33.680 handle the truth, the whole scene from a few good men, but done by the leaders of they.
00:38:40.660 Yes. Jack Nicholson's a great line. Um, yes, Patrick, I agree with you completely. Unquestionably
00:38:47.020 at that time, uh, the people who came to know, uh, felt that this leads to a revolution in America
00:38:53.520 with what was going on with the African American population, uh, the voting and civil rights
00:38:58.940 proposals, uh, the way Americans felt about the Vietnam war and so on. Think of, uh, all of the
00:39:05.540 groups that emerged, uh, the Chicago seven and elsewhere and the riots out there and in California,
00:39:12.580 Berkeley. Yes, they definitely. And I think to this day, uh, that is the belief. They know what
00:39:18.100 is best and they decided that forget about it. It's over and done with. And, uh, you know,
00:39:24.520 they determined within a matter of hours, hours to direct phone calls and visits by our ambassadors
00:39:31.620 in Beijing, Moscow, and Havana, that it was not the Chinese wasn't the Russian. It wasn't the Cubans.
00:39:36.860 They ascertained very quickly, uh, that we have met the enemy and he is us. And once they made that
00:39:43.040 determination that it was us, that was it. Where were we going with that? Where were we going with
00:39:47.880 that? Yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's intense right there. So as a, as a person who's been an
00:39:53.980 American, uh, forensic pathologist for as many years as you've been practicing 21,000 autopsies,
00:39:59.840 how I don't know your world. I'm not in your world. The average person watching this matter of fact,
00:40:05.160 99.9999% of people have no clue what you do to be a pathologist, right? But you're in the world.
00:40:11.820 How easy is it for the best of the best to be able to have a better assessment on what happens? So for
00:40:19.720 example, if you were assigned to this and you got the phone call that night, they said, you know what?
00:40:25.740 Call Cyril Wecht, doc, come on in. You're holding John F. Kennedy's brain. How long would it take you to
00:40:32.640 be able to come out with an assessment to say, no, no, no guys, it's not a single shooter. It's this,
00:40:38.360 if you, if they got the best of the best to look at it, what would be the process you would go through
00:40:44.060 to be able to tell the American people, folks, this is what happened based on my assessment.
00:40:49.100 And how accurate would that assessment be? Patrick, an excellent observation and question. In fact,
00:40:55.480 that would have been ascertained two weeks later when the brain, which had been fixed in the
00:40:59.740 formalin to harden, to allow it to be sliced like a hard boiled egg in cereal sections was not done,
00:41:05.760 not done. The brain was never examined. Placed in the formalin, they went back, look in the report
00:41:11.300 and you'll see December 7, cereal sections of the brain are not made in order to preserve the
00:41:16.540 specimen. Preserve the specimen? By whom? For Jackie Kennedy's mantel face? For her grandchildren?
00:41:22.260 For whom was it being preserved? How long would it have taken? And your question also gets into
00:41:27.660 another area. The top forensic pathologists, and thank you for your compliment, they were available.
00:41:32.860 Dr. Milton Helpert, who was the Dean of Forensic Pathologists in America, he had already packed his
00:41:37.600 bag. And I know I got, he already had his bag packed. That's all certain. He already made some
00:41:43.320 phone calls to a couple of colleagues, all of whom were within one hour driving and flying time.
00:41:48.540 Washington DC, in Philadelphia, Richmond, Virginia, Boston, right there to go and work with him on
00:41:57.260 this case. There was no question that they were going to be called in, as I said earlier in your
00:42:02.540 program, who would do this autopsy. And that was the cover up. How long would it have taken upon
00:42:09.040 the gross examination and talking with the doctors in Dallas, they would have already had a pretty damn
00:42:15.340 good idea at that point. And when they would have examined the brain, two weeks later, they would
00:42:19.760 have seen the two different hemorrhagic tracks showing runes from the front and the back. And
00:42:25.320 that is why the brain was never examined. I discovered that in 1972, when I was the first
00:42:31.220 non-government related, non-government supporter, forensic pathologist, given access to the JFK materials.
00:42:36.600 Page one, New York Times, August 24, 1972. Fred Graham, their top reporter, had that story
00:42:42.800 special because he had helped me get in there by pushing when they were holding back and letting
00:42:50.080 me in. And so there it is. And the president's brain, as you and I speak here today, remains
00:42:56.080 missing unaccounted for.
00:43:01.220 That's infuriating, to say the least, to know that we have access to the best of the best and
00:43:08.260 we're not making those phone calls and those resources and you're the federal government. Make
00:43:11.980 the phone call. People want to know what's the big deal. Hour away to get somebody like that in
00:43:16.940 the room? Andrew, let me make another point. If that were to happen in the case against Mr. X is a
00:43:22.920 routine murder case in Dallas or Mr. Y here in Pittsburgh and the prosecution and the local
00:43:28.520 medical examiner corner had, you know, deliberately, malevolently or negligently gotten rid of the brain
00:43:35.680 and the defense was that, hey, there's two other shooters, another shooter and so on. You want to
00:43:40.420 know something? That case would be thrown out. It would not proceed to trial. Destruction of
00:43:46.220 evidence, spoliation of evidence, it is called. The case would have been thrown out. I'm telling you,
00:43:52.260 this is unbelievable.
00:43:53.880 It's insane when you think about that. See, I've done so many interviews on this topic and the deeper
00:43:58.800 I get, the more annoyed I get because a lack of, you know, in times of crisis, you learn a lot about
00:44:06.660 leadership, right? I'm in Iran. I'm a kid. We're getting bombed on 167 times in a day by Saddam Hussein.
00:44:13.540 I'm in Tehran. My dad puts us under the stairs because they would always tell us hide under the
00:44:17.900 stairs. It's me, my mom, my dad, my sister. And I'm looking at my dad and my dad's comp saying
00:44:22.000 everything's going to be all right. And I'm just hearing these whistling sounds. I said, this guy's a
00:44:25.780 leader. I'll follow this guy, right? I want to be like my dad when I grow up. And we go to all
00:44:29.340 these other places and we eventually make it to America. I'm in the U.S. Army. You have different
00:44:34.020 types of things that happens and you see and you say, wow, that guy's a freaking leader. And the
00:44:38.560 guy, this, it is a great leader. He ends up becoming a Delta Force, serves 20 years, goes to
00:44:42.200 T-Crit, does incredible stuff. We're still friends till today. Him and I just had a conversation
00:44:45.480 together yesterday. In situations like this, this is ultimate crisis. You know, we haven't had the
00:44:52.700 50 presidents being assassinated. We haven't had 50 presidents, period. This has only happened a
00:44:56.920 couple of times. How do you make those decisions and the judgment to not make those phone calls?
00:45:01.300 I have no idea. I would love to have, have had a conversation with the leader of day. You know,
00:45:08.440 I would love to know who the leader of day was. I think for me, you know, I am more curious about
00:45:14.800 who's the leader of day than I'm curious about who the second shooter was. I'm not concerned about the
00:45:18.660 second shooter. Oh, you're right. I'm curious who. Yeah. That's what I want to know. Yeah. He was just
00:45:23.020 an employee. You want to find out who the employer was. Absolutely. Yeah. So look, with the limited
00:45:28.240 time that we got, the last topic I want to talk about is you wrote something in May 14, 2020, about
00:45:33.020 the COVID-19. And you just talked about it here right now, saying every Sunday we get together with
00:45:37.200 the family in Pittsburgh. We're right next to each other. We have dinner, et cetera, et cetera, even
00:45:40.400 during COVID. So that means you have more than 10 people in the house if you're doing that. Here's
00:45:43.860 what you want people in violation of the governor's order. That's right. So I'm going to read this. I'm going to read
00:45:47.940 this, and I'm going to turn it over to you where you can share your thoughts on this. As a physician
00:45:51.380 specializing in forensic pathology, I'm only going to read two paragraphs, not the whole thing.
00:45:55.460 I am well aware of the importance of preventative health care measures and the tragedy of death.
00:45:59.400 And every one of the 21,000 autopsies that I've performed in the last 63 years, I've always thought
00:46:04.220 about the descendant's life and what the significance of that death is likely to have been to the family,
00:46:09.760 friends, and society. However, at the same time, as a sensitive and caring human being, husband,
00:46:14.720 father, and grandparent, I'm also very much aware of what it means to be alive, enjoying,
00:46:19.360 appreciating, being with the family and friends. Accordingly, I am rather puzzled by the limited
00:46:24.480 amount of coverage that I have noted in the four daily newspapers that I receive regarding what the
00:46:29.320 effects are among the living as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and what I consider to be
00:46:36.660 degree of hysteria and panic that has developed in association with the viral phenomenon.
00:46:41.160 Can you unpack that for the rest of us?
00:46:44.800 Yes. In today's New York Times, there's a report about a 24% increase in mental health problems
00:46:53.420 among children between the ages of 5 and 11 since this COVID lockdown. Child abuse cases physically
00:47:00.960 have risen. Drug abuse deaths have risen. Suicides have risen. And that's before in domestic situations,
00:47:08.220 you can imagine being locked up as a woman with a boot for a husband and a father with the children
00:47:12.960 for nine months. What that must be like? Think of all the millions of lives that have been destroyed,
00:47:17.860 the thousands of people who line up in their cars to get a box of food, millions of children going to
00:47:23.160 bed hungry every day and so on. Think about it. Those numbers of morbidity and mortality far exceed
00:47:29.960 the number of people who have died from COVID. And the number of people who have died from COVID,
00:47:34.840 that number is vastly inflated. When you die in a hospital and you have strokes and multiple
00:47:40.520 myocardial infarctions, heart attacks, metastatic tumor, and so on. But then you acquire COVID in the
00:47:47.100 final days, they sign your death as COVID. I do not believe the lockdowns for people under the age of 60
00:47:54.220 and certainly among children in elementary and high school and college and postgraduate level
00:47:59.940 should have been done. I think that should not have occurred. People who needed protection should
00:48:04.960 have gotten the utmost degree of protection in nursing homes, elderly, disabled, people who
00:48:10.260 suffer from chronic ailments and so on. These people have to be very careful indeed, and they have to be
00:48:15.100 the recipients of the best possible care and preventive medical measures that can be undertaken.
00:48:20.580 But to have locked down, as we have done, and the lives that have been destroyed,
00:48:24.920 the fortunes that have been lost, and this is going to be played out. We haven't seen the end of this yet.
00:48:29.940 I think this is far, far in excess. I think that a great degree of panic and hysteria set in.
00:48:37.260 The situation also became markedly politicized, and putting those together, and you have the
00:48:44.460 debacle of the great tragedies that exist today. Now, I think it's important for the audience to
00:48:51.320 know, you're a, and you may correct me on this, are you a registered independent or registered Democrat?
00:48:56.620 I'm a registered Democrat.
00:48:57.600 And you're a registered Democrat, and you're saying this, so it's not like you're giving a
00:49:01.000 political message. You're just giving a family.
00:49:02.480 No, no, exactly right. I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm not a, a Trump.
00:49:05.860 Right. That's, that's, that's the point, because, uh, and by the way, have you had COVID yet yourself
00:49:10.600 or no?
00:49:11.200 No, I'm getting a vaccine, uh, next week, uh, because I do coroner work, autopsies. Um,
00:49:17.060 no, I haven't.
00:49:17.740 Are you not scared? Why are you not scared? You're having dinner with family members? How
00:49:21.820 come you're not concerned about it?
00:49:22.940 No, it is not that, you know, I brazen and bold. Um, uh, when I go into a store where I
00:49:28.600 have to wear a mask, I do, but you know, I don't wear a mask here in my office. I don't
00:49:32.820 wear a mask when our family at 21 gets together. We don't sit there with masks and so on.
00:49:37.220 And I said, two of my, um, kids are, are doctors and so on. I don't know this. Everybody has
00:49:43.340 to deal with it the way that they feel they're comfortable with. Um, and, uh, you know, the
00:49:49.480 mask brigaders, as I call them, uh, fine. And they, they want to save lives. And somehow
00:49:56.280 they are unmindful, totally unmindful of all the lives that they are costing, uh, because
00:50:02.960 of their, um, uh, very zealot endeavors. Do you agree with Anthony Fauci's approach
00:50:09.560 to COVID and the lockdowns and shutdowns and shutting down of the schools, et cetera, et
00:50:13.200 cetera. Would you have a different perspective than what Fauci's done?
00:50:16.020 No, I admire and respect Dr. Fauci, whom I met with many years ago at a private dinner
00:50:20.820 in Washington, DC to a mutual friend and so on. I think he's a great man. However, I disagree,
00:50:26.780 as I've already said, with these total lockdowns. And by the way, you know, I'm not alone.
00:50:32.500 There are a lot of scientific studies. I just read one from Israel signed off by a hundred
00:50:37.220 top scientists, including Nobel laureates and so on. And a lot of people, uh, who are questioning,
00:50:43.520 uh, these things about the mask and the, and the lockdowns and so on. Uh, you know, we have
00:50:49.140 to deal with these things. We dealt with AIDS and Ebola and, and Zika, uh, and, uh, um, and
00:50:56.380 we're dealing with flu and so on. The death rate from flu and pneumonia every year exceeds
00:51:01.540 the death rate from COVID. You deal with these things. And Patrick, we're going to have other
00:51:06.360 regrettable epidemics like this. Are there going to be, you think this is the end? No
00:51:11.600 more. Will there be viruses, whether they come from China or elsewhere? No, of course
00:51:15.880 it's going to happen again. So what are you going to keep closing down society? Then let's
00:51:20.180 pack up the world and go off to Mars.
00:51:23.220 Why? So your, your approach is there's no need to shut down and go through the approach
00:51:27.200 that we went through. You say you leave the economy open, leave the businesses open. Let's
00:51:31.000 just make sure we're a little bit more cautious about ourselves. And so we don't spread this
00:51:34.440 and we don't get this.
00:51:35.480 Yes. And I think we've learned some things too, since then, washing our hands and not
00:51:39.080 coughing and breathing and sitting at a bar and, uh, and, uh, and spitting on the guy
00:51:45.020 next to you and so on. Yeah, we've learned and we should follow those things. Absolutely.
00:51:49.020 I wish I had a few hours with you. I really enjoyed talking.
00:51:50.960 I wish you are a great interviewer and I, I would love it. I apologize. I wish I had more
00:51:55.500 time and maybe we can get together again, Patrick.
00:51:58.500 I definitely look forward to it. Your wisdom is definitely appreciated by me. And I hope
00:52:02.020 the audience enjoyed you as much as I did.
00:52:03.920 I hope that they'll find the way to get my book to the life and deaths of Cyril Wick
00:52:08.140 memoirs of America's most controversial forensic pathologist available through Amazon. I hope
00:52:14.100 that they'll get that, read about some of my cases, learn about my own travails and trials
00:52:18.420 with the criminal justice system and learn about other things of great interest, please.
00:52:22.640 We will always put the link of the book below. And I typically do a video after this to get
00:52:26.860 everyone to buy your book, but yes, we will definitely put the link below for folks to
00:52:30.600 get with that being said. Thank you very much. Uh, I appreciate the opportunity and a great
00:52:36.500 pleasure talking with you. You're wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Different kind of a conversation,
00:52:41.560 right? When you're somebody like this 21,000 autopsies, the experiences 41,000, he's
00:52:45.840 supervised and seen. Imagine where he's coming from a Democrat saying his belief system,
00:52:50.900 how he's just telling the truth. Here's how I feel about this. Crazy. I love interviewing
00:52:56.980 people like this who are willing to challenge their own position and anybody else's position
00:53:01.860 because what they're solving for is the truth. And unfortunately, in times like this, people
00:53:06.360 who are seeking the truth sometimes get, uh, uh, criticized like he has. So anyways, I hope
00:53:12.920 you enjoyed the interview. I did. Uh, I'd like to know what you took away from it. If you haven't
00:53:16.080 ordered this book, uh, click on the link below. And if you enjoyed this interview, I got another
00:53:19.540 one I did with Jim Jenkins, which for whatever reason, the day we went live with the Jim Jenkins
00:53:24.100 interview, he was one of the first people that helped John F. Kennedy's brain at 21 years
00:53:28.500 old. When he tells a story about the assassination in the autopsy room, I mean, I, you are going
00:53:36.160 to want to hear his perspective on this. If you've not watched it, click over here to watch
00:53:41.920 the full interview. And then when you watch this interview, tell me what you took away from
00:53:45.880 this. Whether you comment in the video or send me a tweet directly at Patrick David because
00:53:50.640 I want to hear from you regarding the topic of JFK assassination. Take care, everyone. Bye-bye.