Valuetainment - October 02, 2025


＂The FBI Is LYING＂ - Charlie Kirk Assassination Mystery EXPLODES With Secret UVU Campus Construction


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Length

35 minutes

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Word count

6,869

Sentence count

654

Harmful content

Misogyny

3

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Hate speech

7

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Summary

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Pat and Rob go back to the scene of the shooting to see if they can piece together what happened to Charlie Wilson. Will they find out who fired the fatal shot that killed him? or will the FBI cover it up?

Transcript

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00:00:00.140 Last week, we showed a clip, maybe on Monday, the Range Day Bro Clip.
00:00:04.240 Guy on Manex sends me a message saying,
00:00:06.100 Pat, that Range Day Bro Clip you played was great,
00:00:09.300 but a guy just sent me something showing a completely different thing.
00:00:12.620 Fast forward the Range Day Bro Clip to about four minutes.
00:00:16.960 Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:00:20.160 And go a little bit more.
00:00:22.920 Okay, back up a little bit, Rob.
00:00:24.660 Back up, back up, back up a little bit, back up a little bit, back up a little bit.
00:00:27.580 And where it shows the headset on Charlie's ear.
00:00:32.500 Go back, go back, go back, go back, go back, go back.
00:00:34.820 Let's see if we're going to see it or not.
00:00:36.700 Go back a little bit.
00:00:37.600 So he's showing this part.
00:00:39.640 Ah, man.
00:00:40.440 Okay, right there.
00:00:41.360 Play it from right there, Rob.
00:00:43.460 Comes in.
00:00:44.020 I don't see a bullet coming in anywhere.
00:00:44.860 In that circle area.
00:00:45.760 Get the blood splatter, go down, then up, and then the exit wound emerges.
00:00:48.020 You're also going to find out this guy talks out both sides of his mouth.
00:00:49.580 He'll say something like, the FBI is lying, the official narrative is lying.
00:00:51.660 And then he'll say, I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
00:00:53.080 What matters is that the official narrative is not true.
00:00:55.740 See that thing that comes out and it looks like it's blood, right?
00:00:58.840 They will say it's 100% conclusive or it's already been proven.
00:01:02.160 It looked like blood.
00:01:03.080 Even we thought it was blood, right?
00:01:04.660 Now, Rob, go fast forward at a different angle with him.
00:01:08.840 Just fast forward the clip and go until he shows the angle.
00:01:12.560 Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:01:15.860 Okay.
00:01:17.360 Right there.
00:01:18.100 Right there.
00:01:18.380 Go back about 20 seconds.
00:01:19.780 Okay.
00:01:20.060 Play it from right there.
00:01:20.900 Go ahead.
00:01:21.180 So we're going through here, step-by-step, frame-by-frame until we find it.
00:01:26.840 So that right there, you can see his reaction right here.
00:01:30.700 So this is what I believe to be the first frame capturing his reaction of anything from the bullet.
00:01:36.880 So now here, when you look around his ear, I believe that is the wire.
00:01:39.600 He has one of those earpiece.
00:01:40.280 Like, you know, the wire when you speak.
00:01:41.120 And it's often a transparent type wire.
00:01:43.760 Now let's go ahead one more frame.
00:01:47.360 That comes up.
00:01:48.280 So it looks like it's blood.
00:01:49.580 So it looks like it's blood behind him.
00:01:50.240 That is certainly not blood splatter like this guy falsely claimed.
00:01:53.520 And also, where's the blood dripping that he was claiming was on, dripping on the side of Charlie's head?
00:02:00.340 There is no blood there because there was no entry wound here.
00:02:03.400 That's his opinion.
00:02:03.940 One more frame.
00:02:06.140 You can see that it was up in the air.
00:02:09.860 You can see it's still right there, still vertical.
00:02:12.160 And now it's right there.
00:02:15.180 It just flung behind his head.
00:02:17.200 And it's kind of going diagonal right there.
00:02:19.320 And keep your eye right there on that spot.
00:02:21.720 You're going to see it disappear on the next frame.
00:02:24.940 See?
00:02:25.320 It moved up and gone already because of the force of the impact.
00:02:30.160 Now, nowhere here is there any type of entry wound.
00:02:32.900 You would have seen an explosive entry wound by now, just like we did from the views from the front,
00:02:39.620 which shows that there was absolutely zero shots hitting Charlie from this side.
00:02:44.500 So anybody that tries to show you a video from the front.
00:02:47.800 I'll pause it right there.
00:02:48.300 Okay.
00:02:48.620 So remember, guys, this is why I love what's going on right now.
00:02:51.520 Everybody is what?
00:02:53.920 Reacting to whatever they have and reacting to whatever they have.
00:02:56.500 Tom, when you see this, what do you think about?
00:02:58.420 Well, I want to see all the perspectives and all the angles.
00:03:00.820 I don't want to keep seeing, you know, Charlie and the moment of passing there.
00:03:08.700 But I want to know for sure what's up.
00:03:12.320 I want to know for sure what's up.
00:03:13.880 And everybody that is a forensic analyst is saying the same thing.
00:03:21.240 They said that does not look like an entry wound on the front of his neck.
00:03:26.700 That does not look like an entry wound.
00:03:28.840 That looks like an exit wound.
00:03:30.760 You have hunters that have talked about this.
00:03:32.660 You have people that are coroners that have talked about this.
00:03:35.780 And so the question is, okay, how did such a cataclysmic wound happen there?
00:03:42.740 And, you know, the bullet Man of Steel was lodged in there.
00:03:48.460 Okay.
00:03:49.180 Is somebody going to do ballistics?
00:03:50.500 So I'm waiting for conclusive data from a real investigation other than, hey, his DNA was on this firearm.
00:04:01.380 Okay.
00:04:01.900 But had the firearm been fired?
00:04:04.960 And do we have ballistics on the bullet that you said was found in his neck just below the skin?
00:04:12.040 I just, I want to see all these angles, and I'm glad that one is keeping others in check.
00:04:18.620 But, man, that's an exit wound from the front.
00:04:21.740 That's my opinion based on the folks that I'm watching who are experts in these kind of forensics.
00:04:30.960 And so the question is, how do you get that kind of a wound?
00:04:34.840 Vinny?
00:04:35.740 I'm with Tom 100%.
00:04:37.040 They're claiming, this is the FBI and everybody, that it was the 30-06.
00:04:42.200 It was not a 30-06.
00:04:43.740 The official narrative is not official.
00:04:46.180 And this guy is just another, and I get 100%, it looks like an earpiece.
00:04:49.280 But from anybody that shot guns and knows about this type of thing, that, if it was a 30-06, it would have been completely, he would have been rat, it would have been disgusting. 0.60
00:04:59.380 It would have been a lot worse than what you guys saw, number one.
00:05:01.220 Number two, all this footage, just cameras, camera phones sucked in, and it's blurry.
00:05:06.740 The main footage is the HD camera that was sitting behind Charlie shooting down, capturing him and the entire crowd.
00:05:14.260 But somebody from Turning Point grabbed it, was all sneaky with it, put it in a hat, and give it to another guy that ran off.
00:05:21.660 And we're supposed to just take their word that this guy handed it off after he looked at it and gave it to the FBI.
00:05:27.460 I'm sorry.
00:05:28.560 I don't believe the official narrative.
00:05:29.920 You called the school.
00:05:31.200 What happened when you called the school?
00:05:32.320 Yesterday, I called, I called, and Amanda was with me.
00:05:35.080 She recorded it.
00:05:36.100 I called UVU.
00:05:37.340 And I called, and I called to the main desk, and I said, hey, I'm with such and such.
00:05:43.080 I made up a thing.
00:05:43.700 And I said, I'm trying to find out if you guys, because the construction that's happening right now is unbelievable.
00:05:49.240 It doesn't even look like what it is right now, okay?
00:05:51.180 It doesn't make sense.
00:05:51.980 I said, who do I talk to?
00:05:54.000 This, we just, you guys just had, and I apologize.
00:05:56.020 You guys had the biggest assassination since JFK on your campus.
00:06:01.180 Was there scheduled construction on the exact site where this happened?
00:06:05.660 Can you comment on that?
00:06:07.480 He goes, let me direct you to the right place.
00:06:09.500 Your conversations, your typing, da-da-da-da-da, sends me to, like, maintenance or something like that.
00:06:14.800 And there's a female that picks up. 1.00
00:06:16.080 And I go, hey, I'm so-and-so with media.
00:06:19.300 I go, I'm just curious.
00:06:20.280 Did you guys have construction set up?
00:06:22.580 Whispering talk to the, I can't talk to you about that.
00:06:24.720 I go, no, no, hold on one second.
00:06:26.180 I don't need information about the shooting or nothing like that.
00:06:28.560 Did you guys have scheduled maintenance?
00:06:30.040 Because I would assume that if it's an assassination at this magnitude, you would leave the crime scene for potential bullets, potential, you know, fragments, other things to recreate in the scene.
00:06:41.200 There's stuff in that ceiling, that overhead, Pat, that there's cameras.
00:06:44.660 There's an opening that you could get in there.
00:06:46.840 I'm like, how is this normal?
00:06:48.620 Who made the decision?
00:06:49.560 I can't say anything.
00:06:50.620 Let me give you the information to our VP of Strategic and Communications Management.
00:06:57.520 I called her three times.
00:06:58.840 I didn't want to say her name.
00:06:59.900 I called three times.
00:07:00.700 Nobody picked up, and I left the message.
00:07:02.560 I'm just trying to figure out with this type of magnitude.
00:07:05.800 And you know what's insane?
00:07:06.760 For how many minutes after, not one police officer, not one police officer went there and secured the crime scene.
00:07:13.300 I've watched multiple videos.
00:07:14.800 I've watched aftermath of videos.
00:07:16.440 I saw people coming and stealing hats off a truck and throwing them.
00:07:19.920 Some guy's like, what the hell are you doing?
00:07:21.500 There's no way this type of cover-up.
00:07:24.240 And the fact that when you called it.
00:07:25.820 That's a fact.
00:07:26.700 Law enforcement should have shown up and taped the scene.
00:07:28.980 Why didn't they?
00:07:29.540 And you know what's crazy?
00:07:30.540 Just like Butler.
00:07:31.460 They were there, though.
00:07:32.280 Why didn't they?
00:07:32.580 I don't know, but you know what's crazy, Pat?
00:07:33.980 I saw a cop.
00:07:35.120 One cop basically had his gun drawn while they were bringing Charlie, God rest his soul, to the vehicle.
00:07:40.400 Your job, bro, is to go.
00:07:42.340 This idiot.
00:07:43.660 And by the way, Candace yesterday was talking about this guy, Pat.
00:07:45.720 She knows him.
00:07:46.580 She goes, never has this guy ever been around when we were on tour.
00:07:49.940 This who?
00:07:50.340 Back up a second and say who we're talking about.
00:07:51.980 The guy with the camera that was taking the SD card out.
00:07:53.740 Who stood on the chair.
00:07:54.760 Who stood.
00:07:55.340 Think about this, guys.
00:07:56.300 It's a crime scene.
00:07:57.500 You're moving the chair that he was shot.
00:07:59.240 There's probably evidence in there if there was, God forbid, a bullet in there.
00:08:02.620 He's climbing up there, moving everything, and nobody's saying anything.
00:08:07.140 Common sense 101.
00:08:08.680 You're touching the crime scene.
00:08:10.520 That's the main event.
00:08:11.740 That camera has everything, okay?
00:08:13.960 And I'm sorry.
00:08:14.620 People are like, who do you trust?
00:08:16.260 Get Israel. 0.97
00:08:16.920 Get all that out of there.
00:08:18.180 The way that it was handled and the fact that his friends and everybody else have just moved on
00:08:23.500 and they're worrying about turning point does not sit with me, Paul Pat.
00:08:26.440 And I'm talking about my mom.
00:08:27.980 I'm talking about people from all walks of life are like, something doesn't feel right.
00:08:32.980 Who's mom?
00:08:33.300 My mom, my aunt, my cousins, my friends.
00:08:35.920 I'm having messages from people that I haven't talked to in years that are like, I know I
00:08:39.840 watch the show and everything.
00:08:40.720 They go, none of us feel like what we're being told is the truth.
00:08:43.980 Not with Tyler.
00:08:45.040 Not with any.
00:08:45.940 None of it is adding up.
00:08:47.360 The boyfriends disappeared.
00:08:48.880 Now they're trying to say that Tyler didn't even step foot on the campus that day.
00:08:51.700 What do you think is going to end up happening?
00:08:54.340 Just like every single time, PBD, they always get away with it. 0.75
00:08:57.600 Evil, evil on this sense, they get away with it.
00:09:00.520 Because we're almost three weeks into it.
00:09:03.360 And I know some of her points are a little out there.
00:09:06.940 She's the only one.
00:09:07.860 Nobody from their side is asking questions like this.
00:09:10.540 If you were my friend, Pat, and I died, I would want you to be like, I would want you
00:09:14.000 to be like, wait a minute.
00:09:15.140 Where the, why are you touching shit?
00:09:17.720 Who is, who has the footage?
00:09:19.300 And it doesn't add up.
00:09:20.820 Tyler doesn't even add up.
00:09:22.040 What do you think is going to happen, Tom?
00:09:22.540 So I, I'm thinking three things.
00:09:26.020 Actually, I'm going to like two.
00:09:27.520 The first is there are hard facts that dots aren't connecting.
00:09:35.500 Did he fire one shot from up on top?
00:09:38.820 Crowd reaction appears to be a little, little different.
00:09:42.700 Is, and he really ran off that way with that gun of that size?
00:09:48.920 In that, in that jacket or blanket, whatever he had there, he was walking peg leg down the
00:09:55.340 street with the gun down the leg of his pants.
00:09:58.480 You know, there's, there's things on the, the Tyler angle that don't add up.
00:10:03.940 Why is this, this older gentleman standing up when everybody would be ducking down?
00:10:09.780 You know, uh, I, I was in a restaurant when a gunshot went off in a, in a bar, one, one
00:10:15.300 gunshot.
00:10:16.300 Everybody was on the ground.
00:10:17.640 We were all under the tables until, until a server said, you know, um, our security guy
00:10:23.640 took the guy outside.
00:10:24.940 Nobody got shot.
00:10:26.660 And, but I, I, I've, I've seen that.
00:10:29.280 So that's one point in my life.
00:10:31.580 When I was in college, I heard a gunshot indoors.
00:10:34.060 You're all down.
00:10:35.280 Why is this old guy standing up, waving a hat? 0.93
00:10:37.400 So I see little facts like this that just don't seem to add up.
00:10:42.260 Why wasn't there police there taping up the scene?
00:10:45.980 Why are people taking cameras that would be holding footage that would be of great interest
00:10:52.760 to the FBI?
00:10:53.820 Why is the Utah governor coming to the microphone?
00:10:57.200 We got him.
00:10:58.220 And we got the gun.
00:10:59.720 It's, it reminds me if you read Oswald, they did the same thing.
00:11:03.700 They held up the, the Italian gun and then they talked about Oswald and the day later
00:11:09.340 they killed Oswald.
00:11:10.420 Yeah.
00:11:10.820 Weird.
00:11:11.760 Brandon, what do you think happened?
00:11:12.820 What do you think?
00:11:13.260 So I just, these facts bother me.
00:11:14.700 There's my headline, Pat.
00:11:16.000 So the only thing I could say for certain is that, um, we're clearly not being told everything
00:11:22.000 that the FBI knows.
00:11:23.240 We're not being told everything the hospital knows.
00:11:24.640 We're not being told everything the turning point knows.
00:11:26.120 And that was one of the things I was most excited about for this administration was the
00:11:29.480 notion of having a transparent FBI for the first time where, you know, we know the games
00:11:34.420 they play for like the JFK stuff with the Butler, Pennsylvania stuff and, um, even the
00:11:39.300 Epstein stuff.
00:11:39.820 But, you know, we're not getting that.
00:11:41.060 And you would think that somebody like Kirk, who was the, almost the most responsible person
00:11:45.100 for getting Trump elected, like Trump could be in jail if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk with
00:11:48.380 what the Democrats wanted to do for him.
00:11:49.540 You would think that he would have come down with more vengeance and more curiosity about
00:11:53.340 what happened to Kirk and talk, spoke about that more.
00:11:55.980 So I'm surprised to see that from Trump's end that he's not more curious about what
00:11:58.280 happened in Kirk, I'm surprised that Kash Patel's not being more transparent and forceful to
00:12:02.600 find out what happened.
00:12:03.460 And then not only that, they're not, they're not, they're withholding stuff from us in addition
00:12:07.160 to not being transparent about.
00:12:08.300 So I don't think there's enough to say for certain who might've done it, but I can say
00:12:13.100 for certain that we don't know everything they know.
00:12:15.140 And they're like making it, they're forcing us to come up with these, uh, theories and
00:12:19.140 alternate opinions because they're being, they're deceptive.
00:12:22.400 How long, how long are you willing to be patient?
00:12:25.180 Like actually Hanlon's razor.
00:12:27.920 Okay.
00:12:28.760 Ackman. 0.94
00:12:29.460 Uh, Hanlon's razor.
00:12:30.760 What's that one?
00:12:31.320 Hanlon's razor.
00:12:32.140 If you pull it up, Rob, I'll read it.
00:12:33.520 Hanlon's razor is never a tribute to malice, never a tribute to malice that which is adequately
00:12:41.240 explained by stupidity, Tom, or a mistake or a mistake.
00:12:45.640 So it suggests that negative events or poor actions are more often the result of ignorance,
00:12:49.800 incompetence, carelessness, or other non malicious factors that intentional evil, that then intentional
00:12:56.800 evil or malice.
00:12:58.560 Let's take this as innocent until proven guilty perspective real quick.
00:13:03.460 None of this stuff makes sense.
00:13:05.760 Bullet goes in here.
00:13:07.420 Shouldn't be an explosion.
00:13:08.860 Bullet goes in here.
00:13:09.640 It comes out because it, it, it, it should, the damage doesn't go in like that.
00:13:15.100 The damage comes out.
00:13:16.000 So I'm with you.
00:13:16.520 I'm on the same page that coming out looks like it didn't come this way.
00:13:20.480 Cause at first I, we thought it was blood squirting.
00:13:22.320 It's not blood squirting.
00:13:23.520 It was actually a thing.
00:13:24.420 So that's good that we're seeing that the guy standing up automatically and starts walking
00:13:28.260 towards the area being shot as the same guy that was there on nine 11 and then the guy
00:13:31.920 putting the chip in the hat and walking all this stuff.
00:13:33.920 I'm with it.
00:13:34.880 And, but, but to me, to me, I guess the question I'm asking is how long, imagine you're them.
00:13:41.780 You are cash.
00:13:43.660 You're doing the investigation.
00:13:44.960 How long should you have to get to the bottom of this?
00:13:50.200 I guess that's the part that we don't know.
00:13:52.300 And what is the protocol?
00:13:53.860 What are you supposed to go through?
00:13:55.860 What's supposed to be the process?
00:13:57.500 How many people are you interviewing?
00:13:59.200 How many people are you supposed to be talking to?
00:14:01.660 You know, the, the, the fact that you're seeing the place being fixed up and that's where
00:14:06.940 the shooting was and you get it fixed.
00:14:08.600 Have they made an announcement why they did the construction?
00:14:11.440 Absolutely not.
00:14:11.660 Has the school made any changed?
00:14:14.200 I totally get it.
00:14:15.220 Is there any, is there any announcement by the university?
00:14:19.220 Why they've done that?
00:14:20.540 No, I took a look this morning.
00:14:22.120 I could not find a single news article, nothing about any type of construction that was being
00:14:26.460 planned.
00:14:27.000 Can you send me, is that clip on Twitter?
00:14:29.480 I have her number.
00:14:30.180 Is that, is that, is that?
00:14:31.320 Yes.
00:14:32.040 Pat, should I call her again?
00:14:32.700 There was no autopsy, right?
00:14:34.080 What, what is the, I'm going to call the, her name, her name is Ellen.
00:14:36.820 I could call them right now.
00:14:37.880 Call them right now.
00:14:38.760 Okay.
00:14:39.140 I love this.
00:14:40.340 Call them right now.
00:14:41.160 This is what, this is the university.
00:14:43.300 Rob, can we call and you just hang on one second.
00:14:47.080 What I'm trying to find out is, all we want to know is one thing.
00:14:54.100 Have you made the announcement of Utah is a one party consent state.
00:14:59.800 So you're good.
00:15:00.680 So I can do this, but Florida is two party.
00:15:05.400 So you can't do that.
00:15:06.480 You can't do that.
00:15:07.100 Well, but this is all I've been getting.
00:15:08.560 Nobody picks up.
00:15:09.180 I know you can't do that.
00:15:10.460 So what, what, what I want to do is I'm going to ask the question to see if they've made
00:15:15.920 the announcement.
00:15:16.660 You don't just fix up the place that got shot up and not make an announcement about it.
00:15:21.020 So play as if you're on the inside.
00:15:26.060 What's your argument?
00:15:27.080 Don't play the devil's advocate.
00:15:28.600 Play the opposite of devil's advocate, which is what do you call the opposite of devil's
00:15:32.380 advocate?
00:15:33.940 What, what, what is the antonym of devil's advocate?
00:15:37.440 How do you, God's advocate.
00:15:39.380 Yeah.
00:15:39.520 I mean, what I'm saying?
00:15:40.380 Like, like one, the opposite, the opposite.
00:15:42.480 They're doing everything truthfully.
00:15:44.380 Okay.
00:15:44.640 What's your argument?
00:15:45.580 You're on Cassius team.
00:15:46.480 Give that argument.
00:15:48.120 On Cassius team.
00:15:48.840 It's like, well, I mean.
00:15:51.020 The shooter.
00:15:52.200 You would say that it'd be because they don't want to give evidence away to, that would
00:15:55.620 be pertinent to know on the FBI side.
00:15:57.800 But Cassius is the one that came out and said, Hey, we got them before they even had
00:16:01.040 them.
00:16:01.240 So he, that contradicts the notion of them trying to withhold things from the public.
00:16:05.240 Yeah.
00:16:05.260 Saying, saying that you have a shooter that fast before you actually had the shooter
00:16:09.020 doesn't give you any, doesn't add any credibility to you, which you've already lost
00:16:13.780 the credibility.
00:16:14.320 Remember, you're not doing it.
00:16:15.500 Just do it for a second.
00:16:16.680 Hold your hand on the wrist.
00:16:17.500 You're the spokesperson for them and you truly know everything they know.
00:16:22.460 Okay.
00:16:23.000 Speak on their behalf.
00:16:24.100 What do you say?
00:16:24.720 Hey, I respect the public's curiosity here.
00:16:27.220 It's a horrible thing that happened to a very public figure.
00:16:30.320 This is an active investigation.
00:16:32.180 There are multiple angles that are being pursued here and we have to pursue those
00:16:37.060 and complete the investigation without tipping off people or without framing it
00:16:42.260 through the media.
00:16:43.080 And we can't lose our opportunity to prosecute because certain things are
00:16:47.460 misrepresented in the media.
00:16:49.060 So you need to let us do our work.
00:16:51.340 We're interviewing a lot of people and following a lot of leads.
00:16:54.880 Now I'm stuck.
00:16:56.180 So let's say I'm the, I'm the, you know, press secretary for the FBI says, well, so
00:17:03.040 the, why did you say you have your, your, you got him?
00:17:05.860 If there's a second shooter, don't you have to come forward and say you don't got
00:17:09.480 him?
00:17:09.740 So in that case, Pat, it would be hard for me.
00:17:12.260 Now, how do I spin from the inside?
00:17:13.980 So you're saying maybe you don't got him.
00:17:16.460 You're saying you're still investigating him.
00:17:18.100 Either you got him and you're done FBI or you're pursuing other leads, still looking
00:17:22.920 into it, which, which is it, sir?
00:17:24.460 And you're kind of stuck, but from the inside, that's what I would be saying.
00:17:28.280 What's up, Rob?
00:17:28.980 It's interesting.
00:17:29.860 There's some construction information that's been released by the Utah Valley
00:17:34.860 University, but none of it has to do with the building that you guys are
00:17:37.960 mentioning or where Charlie was shot.
00:17:39.480 So they released a student center remodel.
00:17:43.160 There's an article about that.
00:17:44.520 There's also the Scott M.
00:17:45.860 Smith building that they were constructing.
00:17:47.660 There's also the stadium that they're going to be using.
00:17:50.340 So they do issue announcements regarding construction ongoing at the campus.
00:17:54.460 There is nothing written about where Charlie was shot and construction being
00:17:59.640 done there.
00:18:00.280 Weird.
00:18:00.760 It's so weird.
00:18:02.540 Here's the problem.
00:18:04.060 The problem is it's hard to make a case for them.
00:18:08.820 That's the problem.
00:18:09.860 It's hard to make a case why it's, if let's just say the school does have that construction
00:18:20.080 scheduled, you're the FBI.
00:18:23.700 You're the local PD.
00:18:24.760 Guys, you're not touching this for three weeks.
00:18:27.000 Yeah.
00:18:27.680 Yeah.
00:18:28.040 A week.
00:18:28.900 Can you look up, Rob?
00:18:30.500 What is the longest a crime scene stayed intact?
00:18:36.540 Good question.
00:18:37.420 What is the longest a crime scene stayed intact just to get all evidence?
00:18:42.680 Or the average amount of time even?
00:18:44.040 I want to know the longest.
00:18:46.320 I want to know the longest.
00:18:47.660 Not the average amount.
00:18:48.440 I want to know because the average is going to be probably eight hours, 12 hours, 14 hours.
00:18:52.700 But what is the longest a crime scene stayed intact?
00:18:57.660 Maybe that's not the question, Rob.
00:18:59.980 Tom, what's the question?
00:19:01.440 Are we asking a question the right way?
00:19:03.040 Do you know what I'm trying to ask?
00:19:03.920 No, I didn't.
00:19:04.460 Standard practice, maybe?
00:19:05.820 Yeah.
00:19:06.040 What is the standard?
00:19:08.820 No, that's not what I'm talking about.
00:19:10.800 You're saying like there was a murder scene.
00:19:13.040 Like what's the longest a-
00:19:14.360 40 plus days later in homes were hitting containers.
00:19:17.460 40 years later.
00:19:18.500 No, but that's not real.
00:19:19.600 So what I'm asking is what is the longest in America after a murder took place that the FBI asked to keep the murder scene untouched for them to investigate the entire, you know, homicide?
00:19:39.080 Okay.
00:19:40.200 I want to know this question because I want to make comps.
00:19:43.800 I want to make comparisons.
00:19:45.160 Let's look at this here.
00:19:45.980 And Joe's making it in 1969, the FBI exhumed the body this decades later on.
00:19:50.200 Get the DNA.
00:19:50.820 I'm going to download it.
00:19:51.540 So if you like to think I can.
00:19:53.360 No, I want to know how, because let's just say, let's just say we'll look this up.
00:19:58.940 Shouldn't be hard to find this, Rob.
00:20:00.460 I just don't know if we're asking the question the right way.
00:20:03.380 Let's just say if there's cases where it was 40 days, it better be bigger than this assassination.
00:20:09.700 Let's say there's cases that's two and a half months.
00:20:11.960 I'm sure there are.
00:20:13.980 Why did you move so quickly on this one?
00:20:17.180 I don't understand that.
00:20:20.160 Leave the scene the way it is until we get everything figured out.
00:20:25.000 Okay.
00:20:25.360 So World Trade Center, eight months.
00:20:27.580 Okay.
00:20:28.240 John Bennington, Embassy House, Boulder, six-year-old murderer, family home, remained under investigation for months.
00:20:32.300 For months.
00:20:33.400 Evidence was collected over a long span, but the house was eventually released and later sold.
00:20:38.980 The house remained sealed and under investigation for months.
00:20:42.040 Okay.
00:20:42.520 Yeah.
00:20:42.780 So John Bonnet Ramsey, six-year-old murderer, Oklahoma City bombing.
00:20:47.980 Okay.
00:20:48.580 Manson family murders, something like a crime scene for weeks.
00:20:51.300 Okay.
00:20:51.920 The Tate-LaBianca houses were crime scenes for weeks, but eventually returned to owners.
00:20:56.880 Weeks.
00:20:56.980 For weeks.
00:20:57.480 That's weeks, bro.
00:20:58.660 Yep.
00:20:59.260 Weeks.
00:20:59.940 Typical duration is what most homicide scenes in the U.S. are held for days to weeks, sometimes months,
00:21:05.000 if the site is a large or high profile.
00:21:07.680 Is this not a high profile?
00:21:09.380 So do me a favor, Rob.
00:21:10.480 Go with the question and ask, how long was Charlie Kirk's scene kept, what do you call it?
00:21:19.440 Intact.
00:21:20.500 How long did it say?
00:21:21.940 No, like, how long did they say, you know, yeah, I guess intact.
00:21:28.400 How long was Charlie Kirk's crime scene kept intact in order to fulfill the, in order to finish the investigation?
00:21:35.000 Okay.
00:21:35.400 In order to finish the investigation.
00:21:40.060 Okay.
00:21:40.940 Let's see what it says here.
00:21:44.300 It reminds me of them hosing off the roof at Butler, Pennsylvania after that happened.
00:21:48.200 Yeah, you think?
00:21:48.600 Rob, how long was it?
00:21:49.680 What does it say?
00:21:50.440 There is no, there isn't any record, credible evidence, court filings, or FBI reports.
00:21:55.260 I don't understand this, guys.
00:21:56.460 No.
00:21:57.540 No, no, I don't understand this because to me.
00:22:01.600 What?
00:22:02.000 What?
00:22:02.080 What was that guy's, the something collector, bone collector?
00:22:07.720 What was that movie?
00:22:08.280 Bone collector with Denzel.
00:22:09.220 Denzel Washington, and I don't know what it was.
00:22:11.800 So there's a simple question I have.
00:22:14.680 Why didn't the police secure the area and take all the photographs?
00:22:19.880 They have these little number tents, if you've seen them.
00:22:23.720 They say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
00:22:25.300 They put them on the ground, and they take photographs.
00:22:30.900 Did anybody see any of that here?
00:22:32.500 No, and there was police presence.
00:22:34.220 So there's a simple, without going conspiracy, simple fact-based question.
00:22:37.880 Why didn't a law enforcement, campus police, local police, FBI, sequester and photograph everything the way that we see it?
00:22:47.600 Let me ask you a question.
00:22:48.620 If this happens to me and my wife tells the FBI, I don't want you to investigate it, does the FBI still have a duty to go out there and investigate it?
00:22:56.620 Well, she just made herself the first suspect.
00:22:58.220 Yeah, that increases the odds of the investigation.
00:23:00.380 But if family says, we're good, we're moved, I'm trying to find out, like, who has the authority to say, you know how sometimes somebody commits a crime against you?
00:23:09.780 Like, we're not filing any charges.
00:23:11.760 Can that immediately stop an investigation?
00:23:14.580 I don't think so.
00:23:14.920 Shouldn't the FBI and the police department still, even if you forget those?
00:23:18.800 No, in the case of simple battery or things like this, I can decide.
00:23:22.800 So if there's, so you punch me.
00:23:25.020 Too many questions.
00:23:25.800 You punch me in a restaurant.
00:23:26.900 There are no cameras in the restaurant, nothing anywhere.
00:23:29.880 And you know where I'm at.
00:23:30.480 I told you where I'm at.
00:23:31.500 It's obviously a private conversation.
00:23:33.240 Oh, and guess what?
00:23:34.560 The more and more I think about that, the more and more yours is making sense.
00:23:37.680 And so, Pat, my cousin, Mike's wife, Nina, just messaged me.
00:23:40.600 Her kids were at the Saugus school shooting.
00:23:43.640 They closed the whole school down for five days.
00:23:46.480 Five days.
00:23:47.200 Nobody went to the school.
00:23:47.980 You closed?
00:23:48.460 And was anybody killed?
00:23:49.340 Saugus, yeah.
00:23:50.100 How many?
00:23:50.440 He started shooting.
00:23:50.980 I don't remember how many people, but my-
00:23:52.860 Five days.
00:23:53.740 Five days.
00:23:54.260 The school was shut down.
00:23:55.660 And for Charlie Kirk to be assassinated-
00:23:58.000 Days after it was construction.
00:23:59.380 Days after they were already digging up the floor.
00:24:01.900 So by the way, by the way, by the way, if anybody is sitting here and you're like, you
00:24:07.920 guys are going down the rabbit hole.
00:24:09.920 I can't believe you're doing this.
00:24:11.620 Do you know what you're doing?
00:24:12.840 You're giving credibility to everybody that's going down the rabbit hole by simply doing what
00:24:19.300 you just did.
00:24:19.840 So you got other instances.
00:24:22.120 You want to stay there for four or five weeks, sometimes two months.
00:24:25.140 At one case, house, no one goes in there for nearly eight months.
00:24:28.240 And you're telling me for this one, nobody wants to come and investigate to see what
00:24:31.020 happened there?
00:24:32.420 You're doing this to yourself.
00:24:33.940 Yep.
00:24:34.460 You're doing this to yourself.
00:24:35.240 By the way-
00:24:35.560 Hey, Rob, pull this.
00:24:36.520 Do a- 0.98
00:24:36.760 Just search for murder scene investigation.
00:24:40.180 Pat, three killed in Saugus three injured.
00:24:41.880 And let's look at the yellow tape.
00:24:42.860 You killed three people.
00:24:43.520 Go images.
00:24:44.360 Quick question, though.
00:24:45.480 Take a look right here.
00:24:46.520 You see this?
00:24:47.440 That's it.
00:24:48.060 This is FBI taping it off.
00:24:50.320 Everything would get tagged, Pat.
00:24:52.320 And look at all the pictures they would take here.
00:24:54.780 How many items they have there.
00:24:56.220 They have, in this, this isn't Charlie Kirk, but in this FBI investigation, there are 75
00:25:01.760 points that are being photographed.
00:25:03.920 Just from what we see.
00:25:05.160 Just from what we see.
00:25:06.100 And they just walked away from it.
00:25:08.280 That's gross negligence or incompetence.
00:25:11.940 Like what?
00:25:12.540 Look at that.
00:25:12.940 You guys are being negligent.
00:25:13.520 I was just about to say that.
00:25:14.300 I think Hamlin's razor.
00:25:15.440 I mean, who made that the universal principle?
00:25:17.320 I almost think it could be the opposite of that sometimes.
00:25:19.520 Don't attribute to stupidity what could be attributed to malice.
00:25:22.680 No, no.
00:25:23.460 I think Hamlin's razor is necessary.
00:25:25.500 It's what makes America so great.
00:25:28.340 Justice, right?
00:25:29.680 Innocent to proven guilty.
00:25:31.280 Okay?
00:25:31.980 Yes, trust, but verify.
00:25:34.840 So this is the part where I want to, I have questions.
00:25:39.660 What I'm, by the way, we're not even professionals.
00:25:42.480 We don't do this for a living.
00:25:43.340 We're just asking basic questions that you don't have the answers for.
00:25:47.200 And in any case, if you come to me and you say, Dad, I want this.
00:25:51.380 No.
00:25:52.060 Well, you did it for my brother.
00:25:54.820 And you're like, ah, shit.
00:25:56.400 Okay.
00:25:57.180 So guess what?
00:25:58.160 The natural reaction is to do what?
00:26:00.300 To get a comp.
00:26:02.000 I want to, my offer is $800,000.
00:26:03.780 This is a $1.1 million auto house.
00:26:05.140 No, it's an $800,000 auto house.
00:26:06.360 Why?
00:26:07.140 Because a house that was built after yours in better condition with recent upgrades with
00:26:12.240 one additional bedroom and a swimming pool and 0.1 acre bigger than yours sold for $798,000.
00:26:18.380 And I'm giving you $800,000.
00:26:20.680 And that happened three months ago.
00:26:22.040 I'm using the comp.
00:26:23.100 Yes.
00:26:23.340 So to me, the comp on this is if you've spent weeks at a different place, and this is the
00:26:29.280 biggest story, the biggest assassination we've had in America the last 60 years, and you move
00:26:33.820 this quickly, I don't know.
00:26:38.280 To me, the biggest thing is this, by the way.
00:26:40.120 Okay.
00:26:40.820 To me, the biggest thing is when the conversation comes about, well, it's Israel.
00:26:46.000 Nope.
00:26:46.880 I'm not putting it there.
00:26:48.180 To me, the conversation, well, they had a meeting because of this.
00:26:50.620 Okay.
00:26:51.380 Bill Ackman shows a text.
00:26:52.440 To me, the conversation is, you know, okay, you want to debunk those or whatever?
00:26:56.900 Fine.
00:26:57.640 To me, but then if you're hearing conversations about, no, man, why don't you guys want to
00:27:04.620 ask more questions to see what happened?
00:27:06.920 Guess what?
00:27:08.100 You give credibility.
00:27:10.040 That's the area where you're like, there's a point there.
00:27:13.840 You know, there's a point of what's going on here.
00:27:16.060 You want me to sit on the sidelines and think that's it?
00:27:19.220 No.
00:27:20.080 Your comp sucks.
00:27:21.320 You're losing, by the way, again, this goes back to, this goes back to the Epstein situation
00:27:29.380 where you ask, again, too suspicious that all of these things are going on.
00:27:37.920 Who are you protecting?
00:27:38.900 Who are you hiding?
00:27:40.540 Who are you defending?
00:27:41.960 Who are you worried about?
00:27:42.840 Of course, we heard the one story that the guy comes out and says, Bill Clinton, yes,
00:27:47.440 but Trump, no.
00:27:48.300 Right?
00:27:48.540 What was that one?
00:27:49.400 Yeah, the DOJ for James O'Keefe for Project Veritas.
00:27:52.400 Yeah.
00:27:52.580 And so, okay.
00:27:53.320 No, no, no.
00:27:53.880 He didn't do anything for us.
00:27:54.860 Yeah, he actually did for you.
00:27:55.880 Right?
00:27:56.560 So we learned.
00:27:57.440 But you make people be skeptical.
00:28:00.020 So to me, yeah, the construction of Utah Valley University campus site where Charlie Crook
00:28:04.520 was asked and involves removing the bloodstains, grass, and replacing it with bricks, creating
00:28:09.660 a makeshift memorial area where people can leave memento, mementos.
00:28:14.600 There are no confirmed detail on additional permanent structures beyond this modification.
00:28:19.280 What type of construction is being done at the campus?
00:28:21.780 Bro.
00:28:22.240 And you do it that quickly?
00:28:23.260 No.
00:28:23.920 No.
00:28:24.560 Yeah, they say the scene was held for eight to 14 days before releasing it.
00:28:29.400 Yeah.
00:28:30.100 That's according to Grok.
00:28:31.120 Yeah.
00:28:31.600 Well, guess what?
00:28:32.660 That's not what I saw where students were recording going, look, they're already digging
00:28:36.700 it up.
00:28:37.020 I'm just curious, too, from our audience, that poll that you ran, what's the percentage
00:28:41.180 of them not being convinced about the official story?
00:28:43.480 Do we have the...
00:28:44.380 I'm curious to where...
00:28:45.520 82 to 18 last time I saw...
00:28:49.400 82% are like, no, no.
00:28:52.840 That's nearly 8,000 votes.
00:28:54.260 Yeah, not believing it.
00:28:55.620 And good for you guys.
00:28:56.480 Yeah.
00:28:56.700 You have to question.
00:28:57.480 For just this guy's...
00:28:58.980 Just for his...
00:28:59.880 For Charlie, bro.
00:29:00.860 For his soul.
00:29:01.380 Like...
00:29:01.580 Yeah.
00:29:01.760 Because nobody...
00:29:02.480 His friends aren't doing it.
00:29:04.120 Yeah.
00:29:04.600 Like, where is the whole...
00:29:06.000 Everybody's moved on.
00:29:07.080 They're on podcasts smiling.
00:29:08.740 And yo, your boy, your husband, your freaking...
00:29:12.400 Your guy that was running a $500 million company is gone.
00:29:16.000 And y'all are just like, yeah, we're going to just release old footage of him.
00:29:19.220 We have tons.
00:29:20.620 We're so...
00:29:21.200 They use the word excited and smiled.
00:29:23.200 I know everybody grieves in their own way, but guys, for his sake, take a time out with
00:29:28.840 the future of TPUSA and find out what the hell's going on.
00:29:33.480 Ask about that.
00:29:34.820 George Zinn, I don't know where he is.
00:29:36.720 I don't know where the poor child pedophilia on his phone is.
00:29:40.300 There needs to be...
00:29:41.600 I hope they're doing it, guys, because you know what's going to happen?
00:29:43.680 Let me ask you, what is Tucker questioning?
00:29:45.440 I don't even...
00:29:45.840 Have you guys even heard what Tucker had to say?
00:29:47.400 No, but we've seen cases like this where, you know, the district attorney is downtown
00:29:52.520 and all these people show up and they're holding little pieces of paper and they're
00:29:56.540 usually quiet like a vigil and they'll say, answers for Ashley, right?
00:30:00.580 Yes.
00:30:00.920 And they have a picture of her and they're saying, you know, holding it up like this.
00:30:04.460 You've seen it, Pat, where they're all sitting there, you know, and then they'll ambush
00:30:09.580 the district attorney when he's walking out one day.
00:30:12.340 We need answers for Ashley.
00:30:13.980 What other investigation are you?
00:30:15.940 We need answers.
00:30:17.440 Where is everybody looking...
00:30:19.740 You know what I mean?
00:30:20.820 I'm so disappointed in them.
00:30:22.540 And the only thing Tucker did, because I haven't seen anything, because Tucker's been doing
00:30:25.980 segments and guests and the 9-11 stuff, which was fantastic.
00:30:30.180 The only thing that he did was the memorial, which another question, why weren't Charlie's
00:30:36.280 parents at the memorial?
00:30:38.220 I'm very curious.
00:30:39.240 If anybody knows, I get it.
00:30:41.120 It's a tragic.
00:30:42.740 Your son was assassinated.
00:30:44.280 This is a big event.
00:30:45.200 The president of the United States is there.
00:30:46.360 Why weren't the parents there?
00:30:49.740 I'm very, very curious as to that.
00:30:52.760 I'm very, very curious.
00:30:54.240 Because you would think the parents would be at something like that monumental, that something
00:30:58.540 that big.
00:30:59.420 Have they spoken out?
00:31:01.220 Have they said anything, Rob?
00:31:02.640 Have they come out and said anything?
00:31:04.080 Charlie's parents?
00:31:04.760 I haven't seen anything.
00:31:05.460 Let me check.
00:31:05.820 And I'm sorry, going back to my point, Tucker, the only thing Tucker did was speak at the
00:31:09.440 memorial, and he said Jesus was speaking the truth, and he was murdered.
00:31:13.780 Same thing that happened.
00:31:14.520 That was a quick speech to the point, and he left.
00:31:19.140 And that was it.
00:31:20.000 But is he speculating and asking any questions?
00:31:22.280 I haven't heard anything.
00:31:22.980 He is heavily supportive of what's going on with Turning Point USA.
00:31:26.240 Heavily.
00:31:27.600 He's asking, whatever you guys need from me, I'm here for you.
00:31:30.100 Yes.
00:31:30.680 So what does that mean?
00:31:31.500 Do you trust Tucker?
00:31:32.400 I trust Tucker.
00:31:33.420 So why is Tucker so supportive of Turning Point USA?
00:31:35.660 You think he would?
00:31:36.800 I think.
00:31:37.380 If he had some questions?
00:31:38.500 Well, I think immediately when it happened, he donated.
00:31:40.460 A million dollars.
00:31:41.040 A million dollars.
00:31:41.680 That's.
00:31:42.020 But no, Tucker, just a couple days ago on the Turning Point USA podcast, says, whatever
00:31:45.680 you guys need from me, I'm here for you guys.
00:31:48.000 That's what he said immediately.
00:31:49.080 And he is a guy that you would have seen in a situation like this, questioning if he felt
00:31:56.140 something he didn't trust.
00:31:57.660 And he's not.
00:31:58.360 He's not.
00:31:59.100 He's just saying, hey, this is what's going on.
00:32:01.180 I lost a friend.
00:32:02.700 And he's moving with it.
00:32:04.020 So this is what I'm about.
00:32:06.340 I want to see what everybody else is saying, because I want to see what's going on here.
00:32:10.820 I want to see everything.
00:32:12.900 If you can go through this season and just kind of hear some of the stuff out and not
00:32:17.500 be controlled by the mob and jump to conclusion, you'll be ahead of the game.
00:32:21.960 Naturally, you're going to want to gravitate towards somebody.
00:32:24.800 Naturally, you're going to want to gravitate towards what you thinking happened.
00:32:29.140 But reason is being willing to hear opposing arguments that contradicts your own argument
00:32:36.440 if your ego will permit to do that.
00:32:39.760 And we're willing to do that.
00:32:40.900 And we're willing to do that.
00:32:43.360 This was a very special guy.
00:32:47.360 Charlie is a very, very special guy.
00:32:49.360 And he will not be replaced.
00:32:52.620 There's not going to be a guy that's going to come and replace Charlie Kirk tomorrow.
00:32:55.140 There's a bunch of guys that are going out there saying, I will continue what Charlie
00:32:57.760 did.
00:32:58.640 Yeah.
00:33:00.720 Glad you're inspired.
00:33:01.660 He's a good guy to replicate and duplicate.
00:33:03.380 But he was a one of one.
00:33:05.560 And may his soul rest in peace.
00:33:08.900 As I'm certain, it will.
00:33:11.360 This shirt I'm wearing, I wear the white.
00:33:13.720 I wear the blue.
00:33:14.700 I wear the black.
00:33:16.040 When you wear this shirt, you know what it feels like?
00:33:18.280 You ever had somebody who loves hugs you and tells you how amazing you are?
00:33:20.980 With cotton hands? 0.87
00:33:22.100 With cotton hands. 0.82
00:33:22.580 Let me tell you.
00:33:23.080 I'm not kidding with you.
00:33:23.960 Feel the material real quick.
00:33:25.020 Feel the material real quick.
00:33:26.260 Do you not feel the love?
00:33:27.700 I felt like Don Lemon for a second.
00:33:28.960 That's not good, buddy.
00:33:30.280 No one's going to buy it.
00:33:31.880 What would you say?
00:33:33.180 No, I felt like it was soft.
00:33:35.000 No.
00:33:35.540 But let me tell you.
00:33:36.360 Oh, you felt soft.
00:33:38.440 Okay.
00:33:38.960 The quality of this thing I wear, like Tim shows right here.
00:33:43.080 Rob, can you zoom in to show different features of the shirt?
00:33:45.420 Like Tim logo right here.
00:33:47.040 Gold.
00:33:47.720 Future looks bright on the side.
00:33:49.380 VT on the side.
00:33:50.880 And anybody and everybody who's bought this.
00:33:53.080 This is low-key.
00:33:53.860 Maybe our best item we have on there, quality-wise.
00:33:57.300 Low-key.
00:33:58.160 If you're somebody that wears dress shirts, get the white, the black, and the blue.
00:34:04.120 Wear it for a month, three times.
00:34:06.360 If you don't like it, I want to call and talk to you.
00:34:09.220 I will literally FaceTime and say, how can you not like these shirts that you wear them?
00:34:13.680 But you got to order all three of them.
00:34:15.700 Go put them on Sportum and leave that button open so people see that VT logo right there
00:34:20.080 to see who you're representing, especially if you support this brand, if you love what
00:34:24.320 we do here, go get yourself a polo shirt.
00:34:26.780 Rob, if you can put the link below to the business section, that would be great for people
00:34:30.060 to go place the order here.
00:34:31.480 VT Merchant.
00:34:32.000 By the way, the black is sick because it's gold on black.
00:34:34.900 Look at that right there.
00:34:35.700 Zoom in a little bit, Rob.
00:34:37.140 Damn, that's sick.
00:34:38.080 And what does the white one look like?
00:34:39.860 Rob, can we go to see what the white one looks like? 0.83
00:34:41.960 White one looks like.
00:34:43.740 You got the gold.
00:34:45.100 Ooh, that looks so good.
00:34:46.620 Look at that.
00:34:47.480 Guys, you wear this.
00:34:48.900 And your lady sees you with this.
00:34:51.560 I'm telling you right now, studies have shown 40 weeks later something could happen.
00:34:55.600 It could cost you $350,000 if you were to shoot.
00:34:58.280 That's what the quality is.
00:34:59.280 The quality has got a lot of special things that's going on.
00:35:01.780 Again, go to vtmerchant.com.
00:35:02.920 It's pretty expensive for the whole funnel box.
00:35:04.640 Place your order.
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