Valuetainment - The Future of Time Travel, Aliens & The Universe - Dr. Michio Kaku

00:00:00.000 You do believe that aliens do exist?

00:00:02.620 Yeah, that's a check.

00:00:03.520 These people claim that they've been kidnapped by aliens

00:00:05.760 and they've been in the flying saucers.

00:00:07.960 Steal an alien ship, pencil, paperweight.

00:00:10.680 There's no law against stealing from an extraterrestrial civilization.

00:00:14.700 That'll end the debate right then and there.

00:00:17.180 Time travel.

00:00:17.840 We realize that if you have a wormhole,

00:00:20.360 there is a theory that you can go backwards in time.

00:00:23.480 The Big Bang is what happens when universes collide.

00:00:26.740 We live in an ocean of parallel universes.

00:00:29.440 The next question you're going to ask,

00:00:31.560 is Elvis Presley still alive in a parallel universe?

00:00:35.000 Probably, yes.

00:00:35.920 Belting out hit after hit according to the quantum theory.

00:00:40.080 You think we're going to get to a point where

00:00:42.280 with advanced medicine and technology, we can live forever?

00:00:46.640 I think that our grandkids will hit the age of 30

00:00:49.620 and stop the buildup of genetic and cellular mistakes.

00:00:53.680 That's what aging is.

00:00:55.040 With gene therapy, perhaps we can reverse that aging process.

00:00:58.840 What separates us from the animals?

00:01:01.300 Teach your dog the meaning of tomorrow.

00:01:03.420 It's impossible.

00:01:04.460 Animals live in the present.

00:01:06.120 Their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed.

00:01:09.000 They don't imagine the future.

00:01:11.240 And that's what separates humans from animals.

00:01:14.980 So my guest today is a theoretical physicist.

00:01:22.100 And on top of that, if you go online, he's probably got, I don't know,

00:01:24.640 maybe a billion views of him sharing his ideas.

00:01:26.720 He's got one of those minds that you can't, you'll sit there,

00:01:29.240 you'll say, I can watch 10 minutes of his content.

00:01:31.580 Next thing you know, you're watching him for a couple hours.

00:01:34.120 A beautiful mind he's got.

00:01:35.520 He just came out with a recent book called The Gott Equation

00:01:38.500 that came out on April 6th.

00:01:40.040 And it's already a New York Times bestseller and an Amazon bestseller.

00:01:43.400 This is his fifth bestseller.

00:01:44.900 With that being said, my guest today, Dr. Michio Kaku.

00:01:47.540 Doc, thanks for being a guest on Valuetainment.

00:01:49.900 My pleasure.

00:01:50.620 Great honor.

00:01:51.820 Yeah.

00:01:52.140 So tell us the idea behind writing the book, Gott Equation.

00:01:57.540 Well, it all started when I was eight years old.

00:02:01.640 A great scientist had just died.

00:02:03.560 And all the papers published a picture of his desk, just his desk.

00:02:07.780 And on the desk was an unfinished open book.

00:02:11.300 And the caption caught my attention.

00:02:13.860 It said, the greatest scientist of our time could not finish this book.

00:02:19.000 Well, I was, I was shocked.

00:02:22.440 What?

00:02:23.260 It's a homework problem.

00:02:24.420 Why couldn't he ask his mother, what could be so hard that a great scientist couldn't finish it?

00:02:30.440 So I went to the library and I found out this man's name was Albert Einstein.

00:02:36.120 And that book was to be the God equation, an equation perhaps no more than one inch long

00:02:42.860 that would allow us to, quote, read the mind of God.

00:02:47.420 So I said to myself, wow, that's for me.

00:02:51.320 That's what I want to do when I grow up.

00:02:53.500 So when I was in high school, I wanted to be part of this great revolution.

00:02:57.700 So I wanted to build an atom smasher, a particle accelerator in my mom's garage.

00:03:03.280 I said to my mom, mom, can I have, can I have permission to build a 2.3 million electron

00:03:09.360 volt betatron accelerator in a garage?

00:03:11.780 And my mom said, sure.

00:03:14.420 Why not?

00:03:15.400 And don't forget to take out the garbage.

00:03:16.840 Well, I took out the garbage.

00:03:18.760 I assembled 400 pounds of transformer steel, six kilowatts of power, and I built a betatron

00:03:24.160 accelerator in the garage.

00:03:26.280 How old were you at the time?

00:03:27.660 How old were you when he did that?

00:03:29.060 I was 17 years old.

00:03:30.540 Holy moly.

00:03:31.440 And every time I plugged it in, I would blow out all the circuit breakers in the house.

00:03:36.800 My poor mom, she'd come home, all the lights would flicker and die. 0.54

00:03:40.920 And she must have said, why couldn't I have a son who plays baseball?

00:03:45.640 Why can't he find, why can't he play basketball?

00:03:48.940 And for God's sake, why can't he find a nice Japanese girlfriend? 0.98

00:03:51.960 Why does he have to build these machines in the garage?

00:03:55.860 Now, you grew up in San Jose, right?

00:03:57.560 This is San Jose when this is happening.

00:03:59.080 Well, I was born in San Jose, and I grew up in Palo Alto.

00:04:02.560 Okay, got it.

00:04:03.620 And I went to the National Science Fair, where I earned the attention of a nuclear scientist,

00:04:08.660 Edward Teller, who actually built the first hydrogen bomb.

00:04:13.380 And so he arranged for me to get a scholarship to Harvard.

00:04:16.220 So when I graduated from Harvard, he offered me a job.

00:04:19.840 It was a job designing hydrogen bombs. 0.75

00:04:24.380 So I said to myself, hmm, do I want to spend the rest of my life designing hydrogen warheads?

00:04:30.600 So I respectfully declined his very kind, very generous offer, because I wanted to work on an even bigger explosion.

00:04:39.860 I wanted to work on the Big Bang, the creation of the universe.

00:04:45.300 Because that's what the God equation is all about.

00:04:47.600 The God equation set the universe into motion, and we are all byproducts of that one equation that mesmerized my attention when I was eight years old.

00:04:59.820 That's amazing.

00:05:01.080 So eight years old is when Einstein died.

00:05:02.980 By the way, I own one statue that's about 150 pounds, and I take it with me everywhere I go.

00:05:10.000 Every office I've been from California when we moved to Dallas to moving here, I keep it with me.

00:05:14.920 It's Einstein statue.

00:05:16.660 It's him smoking a pipe, and it's a statue that was put together by, I think his name is Bill Mack.

00:05:23.120 I don't know if you know Bill Mack.

00:05:24.140 He does some real good work.

00:05:25.760 And I'm a big fan of Einstein as well.

00:05:28.640 But what I'm curious about with you is, if I was in high school with you, obviously, I know you finished first in Harvard in your physics class.

00:05:36.120 And, you know, you were the number one graduate.

00:05:38.420 I mean, you've been at the top everywhere.

00:05:40.440 But if I was 14, 15, 16 years old with you, I'm sitting right next to you, and I'm friends with you, who was Michio Kaku at 16 years old?

00:05:52.540 Well, I had two role models when I was 16.

00:05:56.480 First, of course, was to try to follow in Albert Einstein's footsteps.

00:06:00.400 But second, I used to watch the old Flash Gordon series on television Saturday morning, and I was hooked.

00:06:08.280 I mean, starships, aliens from other planets, ray guns, invisibility shields.

00:06:14.100 And then later in life, I began to realize, hey, these two loves of my life, science fiction and theoretical physics, are really the same thing.

00:06:24.200 Because if you understand deeply the laws of physics, then you know what is possible, what is plausible, and what is simply ridiculous and impossible.

00:06:35.700 And so having a good foundation in physics made all the difference in the world.

00:06:40.540 You know, all of biology can be explained in the language of chemistry.

00:06:45.660 All of chemistry can be explained in the language of physics.

00:06:49.780 But all of physics can be explained in the language of relativity, like the Big Bang, and the quantum theory, which gives us transistors and lasers and the internet.

00:07:01.020 But these two hands of God don't communicate with each other.

00:07:05.800 They hate each other.

00:07:07.260 And that's the goal.

00:07:08.500 The goal is to merge these two great theories to create an equation, one inch long maybe, that would allow us to unravel the universe itself.

00:07:19.820 That's the holy grail.

00:07:21.500 The holy grail of science.

00:07:24.160 Sounds like today's politics.

00:07:25.680 We can't get the guys on both sides to talk to each other.

00:07:28.020 These two guys hate each other.

00:07:29.580 So, but were you the quiet guy?

00:07:32.840 Were you the guy that, you know, always had the right answers?

00:07:36.140 Were you always talking about, hey, you know, what do you think is out in space?

00:07:40.120 Which one were you?

00:07:40.960 I'm actually really curious.

00:07:43.120 Well, I did a lot of reading about aliens and out of space and the fourth dimension and parallel universes and black holes.

00:07:50.660 But, you know, it was so frustrating because when I went to the library and I looked up hyperspace, parallel universes, higher dimensions, I found nothing.

00:08:01.280 There was nothing in the library.

00:08:03.580 And I said to myself, when I grow up and I become a theoretical physicist, I'm going to write books for myself as a child.

00:08:11.920 I'm going to do research and try to complete Einstein's dream.

00:08:15.060 But on the side is a hobby, write for myself as a child, wondering what is possible.

00:08:22.260 All these things on science fiction, all these things you see in the movies, warp drive and antimatter, are they real?

00:08:28.980 Or is it just some Hollywood script writer's imagination?

00:08:33.000 So I said to myself, I'm going to write kids.

00:08:36.000 I'm going to write books for children my age who were wondering what's it all about.

00:08:42.640 Got it.

00:08:43.180 That makes sense.

00:08:43.600 So you knew early on you were going to be a theoretical physicist.

00:08:46.600 You knew that.

00:08:47.480 I knew that.

00:08:48.160 At what age did you know that?

00:08:49.680 At what age was it like, this is what I'm going to do the rest of my life?

00:08:51.920 Well, by about sixth grade, that's when I knew this is it.

00:08:56.420 And, you know, we are all born scientists.

00:08:59.360 When we're born, we want to know why the sun shines.

00:09:02.520 We want to know where we come from.

00:09:04.080 But then, then we hit the greatest destroyer of scientists known to science.

00:09:10.360 The greatest destroyer of scientists is junior high school.

00:09:16.020 Because in junior high school, that's when scientists made boring memorization.

00:09:22.800 Lists of names and facts and figures you're never going to use anyway that are totally irrelevant.

00:09:29.320 Because, you know, science is based on principles, concepts, physical pictures.

00:09:35.100 That's what drives science, like evolution, like relativity, like Newton's laws.

00:09:40.140 Not memorizing Einstein's middle name.

00:09:43.160 That's not science at all.

00:09:44.780 And so, that's why we lose so many people in the danger years, 15, 16, 17.

00:09:51.860 Those are the danger years when we lose millions of young kids.

00:09:56.320 That's powerful.

00:09:57.100 Everyone's a scientist, sixth grade until junior high school.

00:10:00.100 And the educational system kind of messes you up.

00:10:01.900 It's more memorization than creating, testing things, see what happens.

00:10:05.360 So, that took me to two different directions.

00:10:07.320 One of the things I want to talk to you about is the educational system.

00:10:09.440 I'll get to that later on.

00:10:10.340 But right now, since we're talking about your book, were you raised in a certain denomination as like, what was the meaning of God to you when your parents spoke to you about it?

00:10:22.260 Well, my parents were Buddhists.

00:10:24.800 And in Buddhism, there is no beginning or end.

00:10:28.360 There's just timeless nirvana.

00:10:30.620 But they put me in a Presbyterian Sunday school.

00:10:34.120 So, I grew up as a Presbyterian, learning about God and Genesis and the books of the Bible.

00:10:42.340 And then I had two contradictory ideas in my head.

00:10:47.440 Either the universe had a beginning or it didn't.

00:10:50.360 No two ways around it until now.

00:10:53.860 Now, we realize that our universe is a bubble of some sort.

00:10:57.740 It's expanding.

00:10:58.760 And that's called the Big Bang Theory.

00:11:00.600 We live on the skin of this expanding bubble.

00:11:02.700 But string theory, which is what I'm one of the pioneers in this theory called string theory.

00:11:08.580 String theory says that there are other bubbles out there.

00:11:12.100 Other bubbles floating in nirvana.

00:11:15.740 So, in other words, our universe had a beginning like Genesis.

00:11:20.340 Our universe had a beginning.

00:11:21.700 But there are other universes in a bubble bath.

00:11:24.600 A bubble bath of universes.

00:11:26.500 And when these universes collide or fission, that's the Big Bang.

00:11:31.500 So, the Big Bang is what happens when universes collide.

00:11:35.900 And these universes expand in what?

00:11:38.860 Nirvana.

00:11:40.140 That's what these bubbles expand into. 0.97

00:11:43.140 Timeless nirvana.

00:11:44.740 And so, we live in an ocean of parallel universes.

00:11:48.280 And then the next question you're going to ask me, I'm sure, is,

00:11:51.780 is Elvis Presley still alive in a parallel universe?

00:11:55.460 Of course.

00:11:56.100 Of course.

00:11:56.640 And the answer is probably yes, that he's probably alive in some parallel universe,

00:12:01.580 building out hit after hit, according to the quantum theory.

00:12:05.960 I can't believe I'm missing out on all those hits.

00:12:08.460 You know, it's way too many.

00:12:09.720 He's probably on the same place with him, Tupac, and the rest of them that are making hits for the rest of us. 0.51

00:12:15.760 So, you're raised a Buddhist, and there is no beginning. 0.98

00:12:21.100 There's no end.

00:12:21.600 It's just kind of like a flow.

00:12:23.120 And then you go to Presbyterian school, Genesis. 0.72

00:12:25.720 You learn all this stuff.

00:12:26.480 There is a beginning.

00:12:27.180 And then later on, Big Bang Theory, the clashes of, you know, different ideas that come together.

00:12:35.880 And then you have nirvana.

00:12:37.380 Okay, fine.

00:12:38.560 Today, you've been around for a long time, meaning you've been debating a lot of different people.

00:12:43.700 You've seen a lot of different ideas.

00:12:45.100 You see a lot of different theories.

00:12:46.620 What is your interpretation when you hear a pastor or a preacher of their religion get up and sell their faith with the kind of conviction that they have?

00:12:58.260 How do you process that?

00:13:00.540 Well, I like to quote Galileo, who once said that the purpose of science is to determine how the heavens go.

00:13:08.660 But the purpose of religion is to determine how to go to heaven. 0.96

00:13:13.020 So, in other words, science is about natural law, how the heavens go, how the planets move, how the galaxy moves.

00:13:22.500 But religion is about how to go to heaven.

00:13:25.820 That is, ethics, how to be a good person, how to obey the laws and help your neighbors.

00:13:32.360 And so, as long as we keep these two separate, they are complementary.

00:13:36.620 The problem occurs, however, when people who are in the natural sciences pontificate about ethics, or when religious people pontificate about natural law.

00:13:48.320 That's where we get into trouble.

00:13:50.200 But as long as we keep these two things relatively separate, they are complementary.

00:13:55.480 So, I don't see any contradiction between the two.

00:13:58.600 Very cool.

00:13:59.240 I mean, that's interesting to take that angle.

00:14:00.980 So, in your eyes, you have, I think you have two kids, right?

00:14:05.360 You have two kids.

00:14:06.400 So, in your eyes, what do you think happens when we die?

00:14:10.240 Well, the short answer is, I don't know.

00:14:12.940 But, you know, in my books and in my interviews with other scientists, I begin to realize that science is closing in on mortality.

00:14:21.100 Genetic immortality is a possibility, and also digital immortality is a possibility.

00:14:28.980 For example, everything known about us can be digitized, our credit card transactions, our e-mails, to give an approximation of, well, who we are, our digital soul.

00:14:41.140 I would love, for example, to talk to Einstein.

00:14:44.420 One day, somebody will digitize him.

00:14:46.920 With everything known about his writings, his interviews, his inner thoughts, his letters, one day, we will be digitized.

00:14:55.980 Meaning that our digital footprint will be digitized and live forever on the Internet so that we can talk to our great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids.

00:15:05.560 And our great, great, great, great grandkids can talk to us because we've been digitized.

00:15:11.160 And that's coming faster than you realize.

00:15:13.480 Silicon Valley is already offering the capability of digitizing what is known about you now.

00:15:19.540 Imagine what's going to happen in the years in the future.

00:15:23.360 We'll have a very good approximation of who you are.

00:15:26.380 And in that sense, we will live forever.

00:15:29.460 Got it.

00:15:29.920 So what a, and by the way, I fully see, I can only imagine you go to a vault and you're sitting in this vault and you have access to great minds to, you know,

00:15:39.100 I want to interview with Einstein, have a conversation with him, I want to interview with, you know, some evil people in history to say what motivated you to want to, like, imagine you have a conversation with Hitler. 0.58

00:15:47.160 Why did you do what you do?

00:15:47.900 What was the motivation behind it?

00:15:49.040 Why are you, that would tell us a lot.

00:15:51.820 And that would be very interesting to go on that angle.

00:15:53.640 But do you think the opposite side, so digital immortality, I fully see that.

00:15:58.120 I think it's already happened in any ways.

00:15:59.680 People are creating content where even the element of documentation when I'm vlogging, that's a form of digital immortality because my great, great, great grandkids can sit there and watch me for hours and say, wow, that's my great, great, great grandfather.

00:16:14.240 I can say that with you, do you think the element of, like, immortality itself of the flesh and the spirit, do you think we're going to get to a point where with advanced medicine and technology, we can live forever?

00:16:30.480 You think that's a possibility?

00:16:32.560 Well, look at it this way.

00:16:33.900 Why do we die?

00:16:35.860 We die because of the buildup of error.

00:16:38.480 Error, error in our DNA, errors in our cells because of chaos, the second law of thermodynamics, things rust, things fall apart, things die.

00:16:48.580 But if you add energy from the outside, you can get around the second law of thermodynamics.

00:16:54.560 For example, with gene therapy, we'll be able to attack aging at three levels.

00:17:00.060 One is telomerase.

00:17:01.840 We know that a cell has a clock.

00:17:03.900 A clock, skin cells divide 60 times, and then they go into senescence, and then they die.

00:17:10.040 Why?

00:17:10.540 The telomeres gets shorter and shorter and shorter.

00:17:13.540 It's like a clock.

00:17:14.660 After 60 reproductions, the cell dies.

00:17:17.820 However, we have now discovered telomerase.

00:17:20.600 A Nobel Prize was given for the discovery of telomerase.

00:17:23.760 It stops the clock.

00:17:25.840 Now, why don't we all take telomerase?

00:17:28.380 You've got to be careful.

00:17:29.400 This is powerful stuff.

00:17:30.540 You see, telomerase also is used by cancer cells.

00:17:34.940 Cancer cells are also immortal.

00:17:36.780 That's why they kill you, because they are immortal.

00:17:40.340 And that's one way that cancer cells become immortal. 0.57

00:17:43.680 So we have to control telomerase.

00:17:46.220 Second, we know that if you want to live 30% longer, eat 30% less.

00:17:52.940 This has been checked on spiders, insects, mammals, all the way up to primates.

00:18:01.080 You feed them 30% less.

00:18:03.780 They live 30% longer.

00:18:05.980 Why is that?

00:18:07.060 Well, we're not sure, because you slow down the oxidation process.

00:18:11.980 And Mother Nature knows that in case of a famine, animals face famine all the time.

00:18:19.060 Animals have a choice.

00:18:20.120 They can either reproduce, or they can gut it out and go to senescence, hibernate, whatever.

00:18:27.780 And then when there's food, flourish once again.

00:18:30.920 So we now have isolated the genes that control this process of gutting it out during times of famine,

00:18:38.680 which, of course, is very common for animals.

00:18:40.880 And many people are looking at these enzymes, which slow down metabolism, because we want to live forever without having to live like a monk.

00:18:50.640 We don't want to eat 30% less.

00:18:52.640 We want to eat less of food and still live longer.

00:18:56.100 And that gets us into oxidation.

00:18:58.340 Why do cars get old?

00:19:00.660 What age is in a car?

00:19:02.560 Well, it's the engine.

00:19:04.040 Why the engine?

00:19:05.160 Because that's where you have combustion, oxidation, wear and tear.

00:19:09.520 Well, where is the engine of a cell?

00:19:12.620 The mitochondria.

00:19:14.040 Bingo.

00:19:15.020 We now know where errors build up in a cell, the mitochondria.

00:19:19.180 And with gene therapy, with CRISPR technology, one day, I think that maybe our grandkids will hit the age of 30 and stop.

00:19:29.100 They may like being 30 for many decades to come.

00:19:31.980 I think that's well within the realm of possibility, given the rapidity with which we are now unraveling the question, why do we have to die?

00:19:43.340 Listen, why couldn't you have been my teacher when I went to high school?

00:19:46.400 Like, seriously, if I had you as a science teacher, I would have gone to school twice.

00:19:51.020 I would have gone to school on Sundays if I had you as a school teacher.

00:19:54.100 The way you're teaching is just something else.

00:19:56.000 So let's go there.

00:19:57.580 There's a couple of things you said there.

00:19:58.880 So living forever.

00:20:00.780 So do you think it is a good idea for us to live forever?

00:20:03.960 Or do you think it's a good idea that we have a, you know, we eventually die and we're replaced and replenished by somebody newer that comes with better ideas, you know, more creative ideas?

00:20:13.100 What do you think about the idea of actually being beneficial to the world for us to eventually die?

00:20:19.060 Well, there is a benefit to dying.

00:20:21.140 And that is, on a societal level, you don't want to stagnate.

00:20:25.660 You don't want ideas that are old, crusted, and obsolete to dominate young people who may think differently.

00:20:33.740 So on one hand, you want to transport the wisdom.

00:20:37.360 You want to get the wisdom of a generation and give the next generation that wisdom of life.

00:20:43.480 Because life is more complicated than any simple formula.

00:20:46.040 However, sometimes people begin to get, you know, old and tired, and they want the young generation to be just as old and tired as they are.

00:20:57.560 And that's not a good idea.

00:20:59.080 That will cause stagnation.

00:21:00.840 That's why I say that in the future, when people live forever or live very long, when they hit the age of 30, that's a good age to stop.

00:21:09.120 Because you're still young enough to have vibrant ideas, but you still have the wisdom, the wisdom of the first 30 years of your life.

00:21:18.380 So I think if and when we have the ability to stop aging, that is, stop the second law of thermodynamics, then 30 is a good age to live forever.

00:21:27.340 Okay, I get what you're saying.

00:21:31.120 So if I can get to a certain age and just stop and be 30 for the next 200 years, that's kind of cool to stay 30 for 200 more years.

00:21:37.780 That's right.

00:21:38.540 You can still look at new kinds of music and new kinds of crazy, bizarre ideas with the wisdom of the past.

00:21:45.720 That makes sense.

00:21:46.340 But you're still open to it.

00:21:47.460 You're like, okay, this is cool.

00:21:48.500 I can get you.

00:21:49.120 I can still adjust to new direction.

00:21:51.820 Oh, now we're using the internet.

00:21:53.040 I can adjust to.

00:21:53.780 No, now we're using Netflix.

00:21:54.880 I can adjust to.

00:21:55.600 The lifestyle also changes.

00:21:57.440 Versus, no, this is how it's been for a long time and I'm not willing to pivot nor adjust to it.

00:22:02.780 Question for you about movies.

00:22:03.960 So a lot of movies we watch over the years, the first time we watch it, we're like, there's no way in the world that's going to happen.

00:22:10.940 It's just not going to happen.

00:22:11.720 That's impossible.

00:22:12.440 That's pretty cool to sit there and think about the idea.

00:22:14.920 That's kind of cool.

00:22:16.080 You know, that's pretty intense to see something like that.

00:22:18.880 You know, and then, you know, for example, I don't know if you've seen the movie Benjamin Button.

00:22:22.900 If you've seen the movie Benjamin Button, he is aging backwards, which is pretty crazy, right?

00:22:28.220 Or even the movie Age of Adaline.

00:22:30.140 I don't know if you've seen the movie Age of Adaline.

00:22:31.640 I've seen both.

00:22:32.600 I've seen Age of Adaline.

00:22:33.860 I go to one scene in Age of Adaline and I've probably seen that scene.

00:22:37.860 I'm not even kidding with you.

00:22:39.040 It's my wife thinks I'm crazy. 0.65

00:22:40.520 Probably two or three hundred times.

00:22:41.900 It's the scene where Adaline walks in and she's dating her, his son.

00:22:47.400 And she turns around and looks at him.

00:22:49.660 It's like Adaline.

00:22:50.820 And then she doesn't know how to answer.

00:22:52.480 And it's the mom, you know, which scene I'm talking about.

00:22:54.240 It's in the house when that scene takes place.

00:22:56.520 But she gets struck by a lightning due to a car crash and she can't age.

00:23:02.080 And the way she started aging again is when she got struck in lightning because of the second car accident.

00:23:07.540 She started aging because she got a gray hair.

00:23:09.520 So she was celebrating getting a gray hair because that means immortality is not an effect for her. 1.00

00:23:14.820 Or even back to the future where we can go on a time machine, right?

00:23:18.520 How many of these movies that come out with these ideas are accidental ideas because somebody was smoking the right pot or they were on LSD or they were being delusional?

00:23:29.880 And let me write about this.

00:23:30.900 This would be kind of cool.

00:23:32.260 And how much of this is a visionary envisioning a future that maybe the rest of the world hasn't yet envisioned and it's just an imagination?

00:23:41.040 Is it accidental or is it something that's actually something someone believes that's going to happen?

00:23:46.060 Well, when I saw that movie with Adeline, I was very curious about exactly how a lightning bolt would make her immortal.

00:23:55.460 And the narrator actually lays out a scenario.

00:23:59.100 I followed the gobbledygook.

00:24:01.800 I followed the reasoning.

00:24:03.280 And they said that the lightning bolt changed her biochemistry.

00:24:06.840 And the genes, the genes that control the aging process, were altered by the lightning bolt.

00:24:12.740 And it lays out a scenario where biochemistry, biochemistry is at the root of immortality.

00:24:20.780 Now, look at it this way.

00:24:22.440 Why do we have to die?

00:24:24.240 Look at the Greenland shark.

00:24:26.560 The Greenland shark lives to be about 500 years of age.

00:24:31.040 We know that because just like tree rings, you can look at the eyeball of the fish, count the rings, and calculate the age of these fish.

00:24:42.100 And they are between 400 to 500 years of age.

00:24:47.120 So, in other words, why do we have to die?

00:24:50.060 In the Arctic, where these fish are, metabolism is much slower.

00:24:55.920 And slower metabolism means air is built up slower.

00:24:59.300 And again, that's what aging is, the buildup of genetic and cellular mistakes.

00:25:05.120 They build up, cells get sluggish, they eventually die as a consequence.

00:25:10.200 But with gene therapy, perhaps we can reverse that aging process, correct the mistakes.

00:25:17.100 And that's where the Adeline movie comes in.

00:25:20.340 A lightning bolt did it in the movie.

00:25:22.360 Maybe we can do it using biochemistry in the laboratory.

00:25:26.420 So, this is something that we should think about.

00:25:29.380 It's not for us.

00:25:30.600 We're not there yet.

00:25:32.000 But we have tantalizing clues as to the mechanism of how aging takes place.

00:25:37.320 In cells, in worms, for example, we can actually double their lifespan.

00:25:41.540 And as I mentioned, you can take any animal up to humans and make them live 30% longer.

00:25:47.780 Now, this has not been tested in humans, by the way.

00:25:51.000 It's been tested in dogs, cats, primates.

00:25:53.940 You eat 30% less, you live 30% longer.

00:25:57.440 Why hasn't it been tested in humans?

00:25:59.520 Well, let's be blunt.

00:26:02.000 Humans bellyache too much.

00:26:03.880 If they don't like something, they sue you.

00:26:05.900 And who wants to be sued?

00:26:07.520 So, in other words, it'll be a while before we test humans by having them eat 30% less.

00:26:13.800 So, that's age of Adeline.

00:26:16.020 You're right.

00:26:16.440 The humans sue humans.

00:26:17.480 I have not seen too many dogs suing dogs.

00:26:19.720 And I think that's a scientific statement right there.

00:26:22.960 But so, Benjamin Button, fake?

00:26:25.820 Can that happen?

00:26:26.860 Can somebody age backwards?

00:26:29.300 You know, and then back to the future.

00:26:31.660 Why are we waiting so long to come up with this time machine?

00:26:34.820 Why can't we have it already?

00:26:36.640 Well, aging backwards would violate the second law of thermodynamics.

00:26:40.660 The second law of thermodynamics says that in a closed system, things decay.

00:26:45.920 Things get older.

00:26:46.920 Things fall apart.

00:26:47.840 Things die.

00:26:48.780 The key word is closed.

00:26:51.260 In a closed system, things naturally get older.

00:26:55.000 In an open system, like you have sunlight, energy from the sun, that can reverse the process.

00:27:00.820 That's how evolution takes place.

00:27:02.900 Evolution should violate the second law of thermodynamics.

00:27:06.180 People get, I mean, if you take a look at human evolution, we got smarter.

00:27:11.720 We got more adapted to the environment.

00:27:14.720 Why?

00:27:15.160 Because we had extra energy from the outside.

00:27:18.880 Sunlight.

00:27:19.680 Now that open system could be biochemistry. 0.89

00:27:23.260 And so biochemistry could replace sunlight and speed up this process.

00:27:27.240 Instead of waiting millions of years for evolution to catch up, we may be able to do it in one generation.

00:27:32.900 Now, time travel, that's something that we physicists actually look into.

00:27:38.380 And we realize that if you have a wormhole, there is a theory that you can go backwards in time.

00:27:44.400 Now, in 1935, it was Einstein himself who postulated the existence of wormholes that I mentioned in my book, The God Equation.

00:27:52.820 If I have two universes parallel to each other, and I create a bridge, a bridge between these two universes, then you fall into one and go into the other.

00:28:04.020 Now, the energy to do this is the energy of a black hole.

00:28:07.840 So in other words, if there's a white hole, a white hole on the other end of a black hole, it means that you can fall in and fall out someplace else in the universe.

00:28:19.660 Now, this, of course, raises paradoxes.

00:28:21.920 What happens if you go backwards in time and commit suicide?

00:28:25.340 That is, you kill yourself as a young child. 0.91

00:28:28.200 Then how can you live if you just killed yourself as a young child? 0.88

00:28:32.320 Well, there's a way around it.

00:28:34.440 And in quantum mechanics, there's something called the many worlds theory, that every time a measurement is made, the universe splits in half and keeps on splitting every time there's an observation being made.

00:28:47.620 And so maybe when you go backwards in time, the river of time forks into two rivers.

00:28:55.260 So if you go backwards in time to save Abraham Lincoln from being assassinated at the Ford Theater, you've saved somebody else's Abraham Lincoln.

00:29:07.020 Your Abraham Lincoln and your river of time died with an assassin's bullet.

00:29:12.560 That cannot be changed.

00:29:13.900 But the river of time splits and forks, and you've saved another universe's Abraham Lincoln from being assassinated.

00:29:24.580 That is what we physicists think is a possible resolution of all time travel paradoxes.

00:29:31.060 The river of time forks.

00:29:34.400 That's some deep stuff.

00:29:35.900 I feel like I'm high right now just listening to you.

00:29:38.280 But by the way, what are your thoughts on drugs and, you know, LSD and, you know, taking certain drugs, scientists to see the world from a different element?

00:29:47.940 You know, you hear the stories about Steve Jobs was tested with LSD a little bit just to kind of get his brain a little bit more creative.

00:29:54.080 What are your thoughts about certain drugs helping see the world from a different lens that others don't see?

00:29:59.300 Well, one downside is addiction.

00:30:03.560 And addiction will eventually kill you because you get addicted to a drug that interferes with the biochemistry of the body.

00:30:12.060 Drugs that are mild, like marijuana, we can go back and forth, back and forth looking at the data.

00:30:18.320 But hard drugs will mess up the brain and create an alternate reality.

00:30:23.860 So people who are creative, artists and writers and people who make their living being imaginative, I can see why they would want to do it.

00:30:33.600 But the pitfall is it could control you to the point that you get addicted and you're a slave.

00:30:40.120 You become a slave to this drug, creating the drug industry, which is a multi-billion dollar industry, which paralyzes whole governments.

00:30:48.860 Whole governments in Latin America are paralyzed because of the drug cartel, which makes money on people getting high.

00:30:56.780 And so I think that there is a downside to this as well.

00:30:59.380 Yeah, that's that's a very have you ever have you ever been curious about testing your own brain?

00:31:05.020 Like, have you yourself gone and wanted to do MRIs and to study the difference between I had who's a guest I had on who was a brain?

00:31:17.020 Daniel, Dr. Daniel Amen, Dr. Daniel Amen.

00:31:20.960 And I brought him on and he said he has done.

00:31:24.500 I don't know how many MRIs on the brain, you know, one hundred seventy five thousand, some major number that he gave.

00:31:29.180 And he's looked at so many different things.

00:31:31.240 Do you think there is a way to look at someone's brain to say this person's brain vibrates at a different level with ideas, the coloring, all that other stuff?

00:31:40.820 Have you investigated that at all or no?

00:31:43.480 Well, I've had my brain scanned several times.

00:31:46.080 I posted a few documentaries for BBC television and they flew me down to North Carolina where they have one of the finest MRI machines.

00:31:56.880 And you can actually see thoughts as they emerge in the brain.

00:32:01.140 You can actually see centers of the brain light up like a Christmas tree.

00:32:05.180 And so many of the secrets of the brain are being revealed.

00:32:08.400 For example, the back of the brain is a so-called reptilian brain.

00:32:12.500 It's the brain of hunger, balance, aggression, the brain that a snake would have in the back of the brain or an alligator.

00:32:20.520 The center of the brain is more or less the monkey brain, the limbic brain, the brain of social structures.

00:32:28.160 That is the brain of how to defer to your elders, how to be kind to people, the brain that involves pack mentality.

00:32:36.200 That's the center of the brain.

00:32:38.380 And then the question is, what are we?

00:32:40.860 What separates us from the animals?

00:32:43.460 What separates us from the animals is the front of the brain, the prefrontal cortex.

00:32:48.320 And so what does it do?

00:32:49.840 What separates us from the animals?

00:32:52.800 The front of the brain is a time machine.

00:32:55.820 It daydreams.

00:32:57.500 It constantly conjures up images of imagined futures.

00:33:02.800 For example, let's do an experiment.

00:33:04.580 Go home tonight and talk to your dog and teach your dog the meaning of tomorrow.

00:33:10.900 Very simple.

00:33:11.860 Teach your dog the meaning of tomorrow.

00:33:14.300 You can't.

00:33:15.140 It's impossible because animals live in the present.

00:33:18.500 Their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed.

00:33:21.720 They don't imagine the future.

00:33:23.980 And that's what separates humans from animals.

00:33:28.520 We live in the future.

00:33:30.420 Brain scans constantly show that when somebody is daydreaming about the future, they're actually

00:33:36.440 accessing the past, past memories, and then altering it to create alternate futures.

00:33:43.420 That's how we recall images.

00:33:45.360 If you brain scan an animal, you find out that they don't think about the past.

00:33:49.960 They don't think about the future.

00:33:51.700 They only think about the present.

00:33:54.080 So that's what separates humans from animals.

00:33:58.740 Humans live in the future.

00:34:01.620 We constantly daydream, plot, scheme.

00:34:05.120 We're constantly thinking, what can I do?

00:34:07.000 What does that mean?

00:34:08.020 Why is he saying this?

00:34:09.240 We're constantly thinking about gossip, about alternate futures.

00:34:13.420 What if I did this?

00:34:15.860 What if I did that?

00:34:17.220 That's called humanity.

00:34:19.760 That's why we differ from the animals.

00:34:22.240 Because if you read the mind of an animal, all they're worried about is, where's lunch?

00:34:27.200 Where's dinner?

00:34:28.360 That's pretty much it when you brain scan an animal.

00:34:31.720 No wonder they're so happy.

00:34:33.200 Well, maybe chihuahuas are pissed off because maybe chihuahuas do see the future. 0.99

00:34:36.520 I don't know.

00:34:37.020 I mean, there's certain dogs that have a pretty terrible temper.

00:34:40.320 They're not happy about anything.

00:34:41.460 But yeah, I can see that.

00:34:42.380 That makes a lot of sense.

00:34:44.440 Look, you know, we've covered a lot of things here.

00:34:47.060 Let's go kind of to the next part here.

00:34:48.980 We can talk about aliens and extraterrestrial, you know, terrestrial.

00:34:54.200 You saw a lot of things have been coming up lately.

00:34:56.760 Well, you know, we found that there was, you know, connection and contact with another,

00:35:03.000 I think it was about a year and a half ago or a year ago, where we saw a video where the

00:35:07.280 pilot is talking about, wait a minute, what is this all about?

00:35:09.620 And then something came about a week ago, or maybe even two weeks ago.

00:35:13.320 So I think we're at a point where people are not disputing that there is life out there

00:35:19.280 in the, you know, outer space.

00:35:23.020 There is life out there in the outer space.

00:35:24.700 But I guess the question I would have for you would be the following.

00:35:27.760 Area 51 used to be a myth.

00:35:30.300 And it's no longer a myth.

00:35:31.420 It's, you know, it's people kind of know about it.

00:35:33.460 They're going out there, you know, sitting outside and kind of making videos.

00:35:36.180 Do you think, because we don't know much about aliens, we believe they exist, we've seen

00:35:45.620 images, we've seen images in movies, we've been told they exist, and we're at a point

00:35:52.380 that we believe it.

00:35:53.860 Do you think aliens know about our existence?

00:35:57.460 And are they watching us?

00:35:58.960 Or are they just as oblivious as we are about them as they are about us?

00:36:03.860 Well, I get a lot of emails, and some of them say, Professor, you're wrong.

00:36:09.620 You're totally wrong.

00:36:11.000 The aliens are not there.

00:36:13.080 The aliens are here.

00:36:15.020 They're among us.

00:36:15.980 And how do they know?

00:36:17.180 These people claim that they've been kidnapped.

00:36:19.340 They've been kidnapped by aliens, and they've been in the flying saucers.

00:36:23.280 So I have a word of advice.

00:36:25.420 The next time you are kidnapped by a flying saucer, for God's sake, steal something.

00:36:32.000 Steal an alien ship.

00:36:33.860 An alien pencil.

00:36:35.320 An alien paperweight.

00:36:36.840 Steal something, because there's no law against stealing from an extraterrestrial civilization.

00:36:43.040 You're not going to go to jail.

00:36:44.520 Where's the law that says you can't steal from an alien civilization?

00:36:48.400 And then you'll have bragging rights.

00:36:50.140 That'll end the debate right then and there.

00:36:52.920 Period.

00:36:53.540 End of story.

00:36:54.640 End of debate.

00:36:55.340 You have an alien chip that proves that you've been in that flying saucer.

00:37:00.100 Now, when you're walking down a forest and you meet a squirrel, do you go down to the squirrels

00:37:06.700 and talk to it?

00:37:07.960 Well, maybe initially.

00:37:09.140 Hey, hi, squirrel.

00:37:10.420 But eventually you get bored because the squirrel has nothing to say to you.

00:37:14.880 I mean, it's boring talking to a squirrel.

00:37:18.140 They have nothing to add.

00:37:19.980 No insights.

00:37:21.240 No funny stories.

00:37:22.680 Nothing.

00:37:23.780 They just run away for the next acorn.

00:37:26.600 So if we are the squirrels and aliens from outer space land on the earth, what do we have to offer them?

00:37:36.240 Shakespeare?

00:37:37.240 Well, maybe they don't understand English.

00:37:39.520 What do we have to offer them?

00:37:41.380 Gold?

00:37:42.220 Gold means nothing to them.

00:37:44.040 In fact, gold is rather a useless metal for an advanced civilization.

00:37:48.660 What do they want?

00:37:50.960 To eat us?

00:37:52.140 We're not going to be made out of the same DNA.

00:37:54.560 They're not going to want to eat us or mate with us or do anything with our genome.

00:37:59.420 We're totally different from them.

00:38:01.040 So I think for the most part, they'll leave us alone.

00:38:04.760 They'll say, oh, nice squirrel, and leave us alone.

00:38:08.120 So in other words, you're saying that if they didn't know about us, they would leave us alone?

00:38:16.560 Are you saying?

00:38:17.580 So first of all, let me just kind of set the tone here with this part.

00:38:20.400 You do believe that aliens do exist.

00:38:22.780 That's a check, right?

00:38:24.100 Yeah, that's a check.

00:38:25.120 Yeah.

00:38:25.300 Okay.

00:38:25.520 So that's a check.

00:38:26.120 Okay, so do you believe, because you've also said in the past that it's probably not a good idea to wake them up, just like Cortez, you know, was going against, you know, you don't want to let the enemy know that you are out there.

00:38:39.060 It's better for you to stay quiet and not make a lot of noise and not let them know about you.

00:38:42.820 Are you saying that because you don't believe they know of our existence yet?

00:38:48.780 Well, put it this way.

00:38:52.000 There's a group called the Mehdi Project, which deliberately, deliberately sends signals into outer space saying, here we are. 1.00

00:39:00.720 Here's what we like.

00:39:01.840 This is what we can do.

00:39:03.180 And visit us sometime.

00:39:04.980 I think that's a bad idea because we don't know what their intentions are.

00:39:10.660 Maybe they've been scanning us.

00:39:12.880 Maybe they know pretty much what our technological development level is.

00:39:17.880 They know a lot about us, our language, our culture.

00:39:20.760 They're pretty advanced.

00:39:22.080 But for the most part, we're not interesting to them.

00:39:24.860 But one day, if we advertise our existence and reveal how much we have, resources, minerals, perhaps things that are of value to an alien civilization,

00:39:35.780 then, just like was mentioned, Cortez, well, Montezuma thought that Cortez was a god.

00:39:42.900 Big mistake.

00:39:44.060 One of the biggest mistakes in history.

00:39:46.340 Cortez was a pirate. 0.96

00:39:48.000 He was a bloodthirsty pirate. 0.89

00:39:49.740 But what did he have?

00:39:51.040 He had steel while the Aztecs had bronze.

00:39:54.480 He had the horse.

00:39:55.960 The Aztecs had no horse.

00:39:58.320 Cortez had the written language.

00:40:00.360 The Aztecs had no written language.

00:40:03.500 And Cortez had smallpox.

00:40:05.740 And that, of course, devastated the population.

00:40:08.740 So I think for the most part, it's a bad idea to advertise our existence to aliens in outer space.

00:40:15.620 In other words, maybe we're off the radar.

00:40:18.000 Let's keep it that way for a while.

00:40:21.000 Do you believe we are off the radar?

00:40:22.260 Do you?

00:40:22.740 Do you believe we're off their radar right now?

00:40:24.580 Well, I think aliens probably have more important things to worry about. 0.98

00:40:28.600 Because if you are a person walking in a forest, there are lots of forest animals out there.

00:40:34.300 Some forest animals are probably more interesting than squirrels.

00:40:37.300 Got it.

00:40:37.480 And so I think there's a lot more interesting things for them to be preoccupied with.

00:40:41.840 Got it.

00:40:42.080 And so I think for the most part, we should lie low.

00:40:46.000 But I think they're out there.

00:40:47.180 You know, we've analyzed 4,000 planets so far, 4,000, of which roughly 20% seem to be Earth-like.

00:40:55.080 Now, that expanded to the galaxy means that there are billions, billions of Earth-like planets,

00:41:02.280 maybe a little bit bigger than the Earth, but billions of Earth-like planets out there.

00:41:06.680 To assume that we're the only one, I think, is the height of arrogance.

00:41:10.420 I agree.

00:41:11.280 It's naive or arrogant.

00:41:12.680 By the way, when you said Cortez had smallpox, did you mean he used the smallpox to kill his enemy?

00:41:18.320 Well, the conquistadors.

00:41:20.020 We don't know which conquistador brought smallpox.

00:41:23.300 But we know the conquistadors brought diseases to the New World.

00:41:27.900 And the Aztecs had no immune system, no defense against these.

00:41:33.160 So it wasn't Cortez personally.

00:41:35.340 It was the conquistadors that brought smallpox to the New World. 0.98

00:41:38.700 As a use of a weapon or accidental, they had it and they just brought it and it spread?

00:41:43.200 Probably accidental.

00:41:44.540 Okay, got it.

00:41:45.260 Makes sense.

00:41:45.800 So it wasn't like an intentional thing that they did.

00:41:47.660 Okay, so do you think there's a twin of Earth out there in the world that may be 2,000 years ahead of us,

00:41:53.980 or 5,000 years ahead of us, or 1,000 years behind us?

00:41:56.740 Do you think there could be a possibility of twin of an Earth?

00:42:00.220 I think there are probably doppelgangers out there that are just like the planet Earth.

00:42:06.980 And they could be millions of years ahead of us.

00:42:11.400 Now, many of my friends, you know, they're all physicists.

00:42:14.120 When you talk aliens to them, their eyes kind of like roll up into the heavens and they start to shake their heads.

00:42:20.660 That's the giggle factor, that whenever you talk to them about that.

00:42:24.240 And why do they giggle?

00:42:25.240 So, they say the distance between stars is so great, it would take hundreds, thousands of years for them to reach us.

00:42:31.820 But you see, that assumes they are 100 years ahead of us.

00:42:36.820 And of course, 100 years ahead of us, a civilization like that cannot reach the Earth.

00:42:42.040 But for the moment, think of what could happen if they are a million years ahead of us.

00:42:48.080 If they were a million years ahead of us, and our science is only 300 years old.

00:42:52.640 300 years ago, we lived in witchcraft, sorcery, magic.

00:42:57.820 That's where we were 300 years ago.

00:43:00.140 If there are million years ahead of us, which is a blink of an eye, a blink of an eye because the universe is 13.8 billion years old.

00:43:09.120 Then think that their understanding of the laws of physics would be completely different from our understanding of the laws of physics.

00:43:18.100 You see, our understanding of the laws of physics break down, break down at the instant of creation, the Big Bang, and the center of a black hole.

00:43:27.020 We don't know anything about the center of a black hole or the instant of creation.

00:43:31.620 New laws of physics open up.

00:43:34.660 Perhaps wormholes, gateways that allow us to go faster than the speed of light.

00:43:40.100 And so get rid of all your prejudices that they can't reach us because they're only 100 years ahead of us.

00:43:46.940 If there are million years ahead of us, new laws of physics begin to open up.

00:43:52.080 Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my head around if there's a doppelganger, say it's a twin of ours, and they're a million years ahead of us, and they have feelings, emotions, opinions.

00:44:04.300 They're thinking about the future and the past.

00:44:06.800 There's probably going to be opposing beliefs, religions, technology, advancements, power, the temptation of wanting to rule the world and all that other stuff.

00:44:16.120 I don't know about that because, and here's kind of where, again, I may be wrong, I'm not a theoretical physicist, but do you think the way we're going right now, we can exist 1,000 years from now, 2,000 years from now, 4,000 years from now?

00:44:32.760 The reason why I'm asking this question is, one is from the advancement standpoint, okay, on how much we're advancing, right?

00:44:39.600 It seems like right now, the level of acceleration of advancement is about to go in a different gear.

00:44:47.460 We're about to downshift second gear, and it's going to go, and I think the separation is going to be further than ever before.

00:44:55.240 Some are just going to get way ahead.

00:44:56.640 I mean, you're starting to see the level of wealth that's being made.

00:44:59.060 You got Musk at, what, a couple hundred billion right now.

00:45:01.840 One day, he's 140.

00:45:02.760 One day, he's 160.

00:45:03.680 You got Bezos, a couple hundred, and then you have technology, things that NFT.

00:45:08.300 People still don't even know what an NFT is.

00:45:10.100 People still don't even know what a Bitcoin is.

00:45:11.700 People are still trying to learn what the hell is going on, and at the same time, we are wanting to be important, and I'm important.

00:45:17.840 Look at me.

00:45:18.400 I'm smart.

00:45:19.040 I'm wealthy.

00:45:19.680 I'm powerful.

00:45:20.840 I'm a politician. 0.85

00:45:22.580 Do you think we can be around 1,000 years from now without somebody finally saying, screw all of you. 0.61

00:45:27.480 I'm going to pull the plug. 0.89

00:45:28.400 Boom.

00:45:29.020 It's over with.

00:45:30.380 Well, we physicists have actually tried to describe civilization thousands, millions of years ahead of us,

00:45:37.280 and we categorize them by energy.

00:45:40.060 A type 1 civilization is a civilization that controls planetary power.

00:45:45.140 They control the weather.

00:45:46.540 Earthquakes, volcanoes, they can modify them.

00:45:49.300 Anything earthbound, they have the energy to control.

00:45:52.960 That's type 1.

00:45:54.020 Type 2 civilization controls the energy of the sun directly.

00:45:58.540 They harness the solar flares.

00:46:00.660 They energize the entire solar system because they control the sun.

00:46:05.080 That's type 2.

00:46:05.900 Type 3 is galactic.

00:46:09.160 They roam the galactic space lanes.

00:46:11.560 They've colonized the entire galaxy.

00:46:14.480 Black holes, stars, supernovas.

00:46:17.040 They roam the entire galaxy.

00:46:19.160 Now, on this scale of energy, what are we?

00:46:22.440 Are we type 1 that control the weather, volcanoes, earthquakes?

00:46:26.280 Are we type 2 that control solar flares and the energy of the entire sun?

00:46:30.720 Are we type 3 that roam the galactic space lanes?

00:46:33.780 No, we're type 0.

00:46:37.040 We get our energy from oil and coal.

00:46:39.740 That's dead plants.

00:46:41.420 We're type 0.

00:46:42.920 But we are about 100 years from becoming type 1.

00:46:46.600 That's what all the headlines are about.

00:46:49.860 What is the internet?

00:46:50.700 The internet is the first type 1 technology to fall into this century.

00:46:56.800 It is a planetary technology, the internet.

00:47:00.020 What about the language of type 1?

00:47:02.160 Well, on the internet already, English and Mandarin Chinese are the two most popular languages on the internet.

00:47:09.780 What about culture?

00:47:11.120 We're seeing the beginning of planetary sports with the Olympics and with soccer.

00:47:16.380 We see the beginning of a planetary music, youth culture, youth music, rap music, rock and roll.

00:47:21.960 We're seeing the beginning of a type 1 culture and fashion, Gucci, Chanel.

00:47:27.480 So we're beginning to see the beginning of a type 1 civilization right in front of us.

00:47:34.380 But that's the danger.

00:47:36.820 The most dangerous transition is between type 0 to type 1.

00:47:40.500 Why?

00:47:41.240 Because if we're type 0, we have all the savagery, all the brutality of our past.

00:47:47.040 We came from the swamp just 300 years ago.

00:47:50.460 300 years ago, there was only magic, superstition, inquisitions, torture.

00:47:56.520 That's the way it was just 300 years ago.

00:47:59.220 And now we're headed toward type 1.

00:48:01.840 Every time we open the newspaper, I see the beginning of the birth of a type 1 civilization, a planetary civilization.

00:48:09.540 Look at the pandemic.

00:48:10.780 It's a planetary pandemic, but how did we deal with it?

00:48:14.020 Globally.

00:48:14.960 Globally, we did it, and we're conquering it now.

00:48:18.560 That was impossible just 100 years ago during the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak.

00:48:25.280 Now we can actually control outbreaks like this.

00:48:28.060 So we're seeing the birth of a type 1 civilization.

00:48:31.400 But it's dangerous because we now have nuclear weapons.

00:48:34.920 We have the ability to create designer germs.

00:48:37.800 We have the ability to alter the weather with global warming.

00:48:41.560 So it's not clear whether we're going to make the transition from type 0 to type 1.

00:48:46.280 But this is the greatest transition in human history.

00:48:49.820 We are privileged to be alive to see this transition from type 0 to type 1.

00:48:55.260 So from your research, if you've done or if you haven't done, what was Hitler's reasoning for having the level of hate that he had?

00:49:06.060 From your research, from what you read, why did he have that kind of hate for different Jews or the level of hate he had for them?

00:49:14.080 Well, you see, before we become type 1, we have all the savagery of type 0.

00:49:20.040 We came from the swamp.

00:49:21.580 Think about it.

00:49:22.460 Think of what life was like just a few hundred years ago.

00:49:25.960 A life expectancy, for example, something as simple as that, was 30 years of age for most of human history.

00:49:33.760 We lived in a savage, barbaric past, just struggling to stay alive.

00:49:39.580 And, of course, having enemies was a very convenient way to keep the masses happy and contented.

00:49:47.780 Look at the Roman Empire.

00:49:49.120 Many attempts were made to try to create a civilization, but they all failed.

00:49:54.980 Why did they fail?

00:49:55.980 Because there was not enough wealth to go around.

00:49:59.380 Poverty, sickness, disease.

00:50:01.960 But now we have the Industrial Revolution, the Electric Revolution, the Computer Revolution,

00:50:07.040 giving us enough wealth that we don't have to constantly fight for it.

00:50:12.220 And the question is, can we negotiate this transition to type 1?

00:50:16.940 If we can, we're talking about an age of Aquarius.

00:50:20.280 By the time we're type 2, by the way, we are immortal.

00:50:23.560 No, nothing known to science could destroy a type 2 civilization.

00:50:27.960 Meteors can be deflected.

00:50:29.880 Asteroids can be blown up.

00:50:31.780 Weather can be modified.

00:50:33.480 No more global warming problems.

00:50:35.220 Even the sun, even if the sun explodes, they can leave the sun and colonize another star system.

00:50:42.400 So by the time you're type 2, you are immortal.

00:50:45.600 The danger is, the most dangerous period is between type 0 to type 1,

00:50:51.020 because we still have all the savagery of the past.

00:50:53.420 Yeah, I ask that question because, look, right now, 46 is one click away from sending nuclear bombs all over the world, if you wanted to.

00:51:05.660 There's that much power behind a president, right?

00:51:09.080 You got Putin in Russia that's got the same kind of capabilities if somebody upsets him.

00:51:13.940 And we know if that happens, there's a domino effect, right?

00:51:18.060 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:51:19.820 Wait, what did you do?

00:51:20.820 You're going to retaliate.

00:51:21.860 We have to retaliate.

00:51:22.780 And then it's going to be insanity, right?

00:51:24.440 That's going to go back and forth.

00:51:25.580 So the reason why I asked the Hitler question is because what prevents, and again, this whole topic is about there's another doppelganger, 0.79

00:51:34.180 you know, another civilization around the, you know, space that's like the Earth, that's, you said, maybe a million years ahead of us.

00:51:40.820 As long as there's emotion and there's ego where someone can be offended, don't you think there's a likelihood that someone could pull the plug with the level of access to explosives that we have today,

00:51:54.420 whether it's a virus, whether it's biochemical warfare, whether it's whatever else may be, to just finish everything up and boom, we have to start all over again?

00:52:04.200 Well, there's a note of optimism here.

00:52:06.340 First of all, realize that I think that technology has a moral direction.

00:52:12.200 Now, that differs from what most scientists believe.

00:52:15.300 Most scientists believe that technology is neutral.

00:52:18.520 A sword could either cut against you or cut with you.

00:52:21.960 It's that science is a double-edged sword.

00:52:23.980 But I tend to disagree.

00:52:25.700 I think that technology has a moral direction because the Internet spreads information and it creates empowerment.

00:52:34.440 Information is power.

00:52:35.660 Power to liberate yourself from dictatorships and oppression.

00:52:40.360 In other words, it creates democracy.

00:52:43.380 We have a wave of democratic movements around the world now.

00:52:48.040 When I was a kid, there was an expression called dictator for life.

00:52:52.920 If you were a dictator under the wing of Russia or the United States, they couldn't get rid of you.

00:52:58.220 You were a dictator for life.

00:52:59.940 Now we laugh at that.

00:53:01.720 What?

00:53:02.300 Dictator for life?

00:53:03.380 You're kidding.

00:53:03.840 People can organize.

00:53:06.320 They can educate themselves.

00:53:08.200 They can arm themselves with knowledge.

00:53:10.400 So the big winner is democracy.

00:53:13.080 Now they're going to be backsliding.

00:53:16.180 There's going to be problems.

00:53:17.880 But in the main, the Internet spreads empowerment.

00:53:21.540 Empowerment means more democracy.

00:53:23.200 Democracy and democracies are more stable than dictatorships.

00:53:27.240 Dictatorships on a whim can start a war.

00:53:30.340 Democracies, it's very difficult to start a war in a democracy because you have widows, you have veterans, all these people with access to the media that may not want a war.

00:53:40.860 And so I think that there are checks and balances.

00:53:43.900 So I think that the smallest unit of history is the decade.

00:53:48.780 Anything smaller than a decade, you get random fluctuations.

00:53:52.200 And if you look at history decade by decade, think of where we were in the year 1900.

00:53:58.460 It was a horrible year, 1900, with kings and queens and empires, the Austro-Hungarian Empire fighting the Prussian Empire, all these empires fighting each other.

00:54:11.020 1900 was not a very pleasant year to live in.

00:54:13.880 And of course, that gave birth to World War I.

00:54:15.880 Now, think of what we have today.

00:54:18.260 Sure, we have nuclear weapons, but we have empowerment taking place with a middle class, with access to the means to get information instantly anywhere on the planet Earth.

00:54:30.240 I think that is a good trend.

00:54:32.540 I mean, look, I'm an optimist and I'm leaning towards you, but I'm also a guy that subscribes to what Andy Grove years ago, the former CEO of Intel, who wrote the book, Only the Paranoids Survive.

00:54:46.500 I think there's got to be an element of paranoia to make sure we can prevent madness from taking place.

00:54:51.780 And when you're saying information and social media and, you know, Internet, what it's doing, how it's leaning towards democracy, do you think it is a good idea to constantly permit for opposing ideas to clash?

00:55:05.080 And, you know, these virtual governments have a lot of power today.

00:55:08.200 The Twitters, the Facebooks, the YouTubes of the world, they have a lot of power today.

00:55:11.940 Do you think it's a bad idea?

00:55:14.300 Let me ask the question a different way.

00:55:16.100 Do you think it's a bad idea to prevent from opposing ideas to clash, even though you may disagree with them?

00:55:22.660 Well, I think that correct ideas emerge from struggle with incorrect ideas.

00:55:29.820 Ideas have to clash with each other.

00:55:32.060 And if it means that some crazy ideas are out there, well, so be it.

00:55:35.860 You know, this is the Wild West.

00:55:37.720 The Internet is young.

00:55:39.340 I mean, think of technology.

00:55:40.660 We've had cars since the last century.

00:55:43.420 We've had trains since the 1800s.

00:55:47.440 The Internet is a young technology.

00:55:49.940 And as a consequence, you have people who harangue others, noisy people, people that want to beat their chest on the Internet, say also crazy things.

00:55:58.020 But eventually, people will tune them out.

00:56:00.520 Eventually, people will mature.

00:56:02.360 Because why give these people a platform?

00:56:05.140 Because it's free speech.

00:56:06.800 But you just can turn them off as well.

00:56:09.620 Because people have to mature.

00:56:11.360 And I think that when people mature, that's when the tone of the Internet is going to change from the Wild West to something that wants wisdom.

00:56:22.720 Wisdom is what we need on the Internet.

00:56:26.060 Not haranguing, but wisdom.

00:56:28.140 And I think that that wisdom comes from struggle with incorrect ideas.

00:56:32.880 And it does mean that there's going to be a Wild West for a while until people, people get mature and simply tune out these crazy ideas because they say, well, that's nonsense.

00:56:44.080 But that takes a while.

00:56:45.360 So the Internet is still very young.

00:56:47.140 So I agree.

00:56:48.960 I mean, the Internet's, what, 20, 30, 40 years old, depending on when you start the Internet, you know, you kind of pick the time that it started.

00:56:55.560 So for you, the idea of silencing a figure like a Trump is not a good idea.

00:57:00.160 You've got to let him be on there and say what he's saying, whether you like him or not.

00:57:03.180 Because, you know, Sanders, and the reason I'm asking this question is because, again, I'm going back to events, to what really irritated a guy named Adolf that he wanted to fly.

00:57:17.420 I mean, he was one war away, Siberia.

00:57:19.720 He was getting close.

00:57:20.800 And Churchill, if there's not a Churchill, you and I may be speaking German today.

00:57:24.360 So what do we have to do from not offending the wrong person where their motives comes out to want to do something bigger to retaliate towards a potential civilization?

00:57:36.100 So for you, we ought to allow people of opposing ideas to not be banned on social media, Twitter, Facebook, whoever they may be, because people will eventually become wiser and they'll tune those ideas out.

00:57:48.320 Well, I think you have to let unpopular ideas out there, because once people have grievances, they act on these grievances.

00:57:59.180 And there is a social movement behind many of these ideas.

00:58:04.260 And if you bottle it up, it comes back in a more hideous form.

00:58:08.880 And so I think that it's short-sighted.

00:58:10.920 It's short-sighted to simply say we can tune out certain ideas just because we don't like these ideas.

00:58:16.540 I think it's a bad idea.

00:58:17.720 I'm totally with you.

00:58:20.020 I'm on the same page with you.

00:58:21.800 I learned through debate.

00:58:24.540 I learned through discourse.

00:58:26.300 I learned through argument.

00:58:27.780 I learned through seeing people arguing, they debate, going back and forth, because you're sitting there saying, never thought I would agree with him.

00:58:35.280 Huh, that was an interesting point.

00:58:37.220 Really?

00:58:38.020 Wow.

00:58:38.580 Never had it from that point of view.

00:58:40.220 And we're getting better.

00:58:41.040 Versus if I just only hear from one side, your argument is not getting any stronger.

00:58:46.120 Final thoughts here before we wrap up.

00:58:48.280 I've had a fascinating time listening to you.

00:58:50.400 Your mind is just so interesting to me to want to hear what you have to say.

00:58:55.080 If Elon Musk were to get his rocket ready today, would you consider moving to Mars with him?

00:59:00.280 Well, I'm a scientist.

00:59:02.700 And we realize that rocket failure takes place roughly 1% of the time.

00:59:09.020 Take a look at the space shuttle.

00:59:10.640 We had 200 or so missions of the space shuttle.

00:59:13.700 How many of them blew up?

00:59:15.260 Two.

00:59:16.280 That's exactly 1% of the time.

00:59:18.980 And so people who are astronauts, in the old days, they were pilots, Air Force pilots.

00:59:24.560 They knew that every time they got into that capsule, there was a probability they're not going to come back.

00:59:30.020 But then we begin to think of space travel as being a Sunday picnic.

00:59:34.740 That, I think, was not a good idea, because reality catches up with you.

00:59:39.760 That 1% of the time catches up with you.

00:59:42.240 So when Elon Musk recently said that he expects some people to die on the mission to Mars, I think he's preparing the world public, preparing them for the possibility that, yes, some people may die, but don't have a backlash against the space program.

01:00:00.780 You know, when the shuttle blew up and seven brave astronauts died on national television, there was a backlash, a backlash against the space program.

01:00:10.000 We don't want that backlash.

01:00:11.320 We want people to be honest.

01:00:13.760 Space travel to Mars is not a Sunday picnic.

01:00:16.760 The mission will take two years, nine months to get there, nine months to get back, and a few months to do experiments.

01:00:23.420 Two years.

01:00:24.840 But the world's record for being in and out of space is only one year.

01:00:29.420 So we're talking about busting a whole bunch of records, sending humans to Mars.

01:00:34.960 I think we can do it.

01:00:36.120 I think we should do it because the dinosaurs did not have a space program.

01:00:43.000 And that's why there are no dinosaurs in this room right now, because they didn't have a space program.

01:00:48.220 We do.

01:00:49.480 But they're going to be pitfalls.

01:00:51.080 And I think Elon Musk is right, priming the people, telling them that, yes, the mission to Mars, they're going to be heroes, heroines, but some of them will not make it back.

01:01:01.560 How long before we have civilization on Mars?

01:01:03.360 What do you think?

01:01:03.860 Well, sometime after 2030, we expect to have the first piloted crewed mission to the red planet.

01:01:11.860 And I don't think we should bankrupt the Earth to create a settlement on Mars.

01:01:16.740 But I think a settlement on Mars should be self-sustaining.

01:01:20.580 So it's not a financial drain on the planet Earth.

01:01:24.180 Meaning that they should have agriculture, mining, robots in order to create a self-sustaining colony on the red planet.

01:01:34.020 And that is well within our capability.

01:01:37.320 When's the last time we had a scientist as a president?

01:01:39.600 I'm curious.

01:01:40.120 When's the last time we had a scientist as a president of America?

01:01:43.500 I think the closest we came was actually Benjamin Franklin.

01:01:46.480 Benjamin Franklin actually made scientific history with his kite experiments and many of his breakthroughs.

01:01:53.700 But I don't think we've ever come close to having a scientist as president.

01:01:57.820 Do you think the next phase is going to be us valuing the brain of a scientist to want to run the nation rather than the brain of a lawyer, military, entrepreneur, businessman?

01:02:07.680 Well, you know, there's a danger having lawyers and professional politicians run the government. 0.92

01:02:13.840 Because the question is, where does wealth come from?

01:02:16.480 To a politician, wealth comes from taxes.

01:02:19.920 You rob Peter to pay Paul.

01:02:21.740 To an economist, you print money.

01:02:24.260 But you see, that's simply robbing other people to pay for your debts.

01:02:28.780 I say wealth comes from science and technology.

01:02:32.880 From the Industrial Revolution to the Electric Revolution to the Computer Revolution of today,

01:02:38.460 it's science that generates the wealth that then is divided up by politicians who debate

01:02:44.140 and slice the pie and slice the pie smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.

01:02:47.580 I say we need a bigger pie.

01:02:50.300 Instead of struggling with this slice of the pie saying, we want a bigger share.

01:02:55.420 Your share has to be smaller.

01:02:57.120 We want to tax this and put the tax money over there. 0.77

01:03:00.440 I think we need a bigger pie.

01:03:03.360 And where does that bigger pie come from?

01:03:05.300 Science and technology.

01:03:07.480 And who makes it?

01:03:08.500 The young.

01:03:09.640 That's why it's so important that we instill this love of science in the next generation.

01:03:15.220 I love this.

01:03:15.760 So if Musk could be a president in the U.S., you think he wouldn't make a good president?

01:03:23.820 Well, gee, to be a president, you have to have the temperament of horse trading, compromise.

01:03:31.800 And if you're a trailblazing entrepreneur, you don't want to compromise too much.

01:03:36.820 You want it now, right?

01:03:38.580 So I think that, well, there's a benefit to having a politician who knows how to trade horses

01:03:44.300 because it takes a certain amount of back and forth to become a politician.

01:03:51.180 I got to tell you, I've really enjoyed it.

01:03:52.820 I appreciate you for coming on and being a guest on Valuetainment.

01:03:55.200 Folks, we're going to put the link to his book below to go to Amazon and order this book

01:03:59.280 that just came out on.

01:04:02.420 Again, let me remember the date.

01:04:03.640 April 6th, I want to say.

01:04:05.320 Yes, is it April 6th that just came out that's already a New York Times bestseller,

01:04:10.460 The God Equation, The Quest for a Theory of Everything.

01:04:15.000 Click on the link below to go order the book.

01:04:17.480 Doc, once again, thank you for your time.

01:04:19.580 Okay, my pleasure.

01:04:20.660 Great honor.

01:04:21.860 Probably one of my top 15 conversations I've ever had on Valuetainment.

01:04:25.040 I know it sounds weird, but I was just mesmerized by the topics we discussed, right?

01:04:31.920 What are they?

01:04:32.620 Digital immortality.

01:04:34.000 I mean, digital immortality, which I understand, and immortality formulas, 30% less, 30% longer

01:04:40.560 lifespan.

01:04:42.060 You know how level zero to one and at level two, just so many things that leaves for arguments

01:04:48.360 and debates and wanting to learn more.

01:04:50.140 So I want to hear your thoughts.

01:04:51.080 What was it that you took away from the interview?

01:04:52.760 And if you enjoyed this interview, I also did an interview like this with Dr. Stephen Greer,

01:04:57.580 who we talked about UFOs.

01:04:59.720 He had an experience with a UFO that if you've never watched it before and you like this topic,

01:05:03.980 I think you'll enjoy that interview as well.

01:05:05.380 Click over here to watch that interview.

01:05:06.980 With that being said, have a great day, everybody.

01:05:08.340 Take care.

01:05:08.740 Bye-bye.

Valuetainment - May 07, 2021

The Future of Time Travel, Aliens & The Universe - Dr. Michio Kaku

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