Valuetainment - May 14, 2026


＂They Called Me A CCP Agent＂ - CZ REVEALS The Truth About Crypto, China & The CCP


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9 minutes

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192.47537

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1,869

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114


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In this episode, I sit down with Peter Schiff to talk about the end of the gold standard and why it was a good or bad move. We talk about what happened behind the scenes of the decision to switch to a fiat money system, the reasons behind the change, and the impact it had on the world.

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00:00:00.000 You ever been to, what is that museum in L.A. off the 405 freeway?
00:00:05.100 The Getty Center?
00:00:05.940 You ever been to the Getty Center?
00:00:06.980 I think I have been there 20 years ago.
00:00:08.920 Yeah, me too.
00:00:09.560 I've been there 20 years ago.
00:00:10.580 And this guy, J. Paul Getty, when he died, he created a museum that people can go to for free with the most amazing collection there.
00:00:19.100 And I think the dividends or whatever he makes off the money pays for it.
00:00:23.220 So at least that is a cause, right?
00:00:25.140 But unfortunately, if you had a museum, it would be an empty museum because you don't collect things.
00:00:29.040 No, I don't.
00:00:29.340 So if we created a car museum, there would be no cars in it.
00:00:32.320 There'd be a Lexus van in there.
00:00:33.680 They would say, this is CZ's van from Lexus.
00:00:37.300 Last question for you.
00:00:38.680 So you got all these things, and I'm curious to know how you're going to answer this.
00:00:44.600 You got all these things in the world that people want to know about.
00:00:47.860 You have money to be able to get answers to a question.
00:00:50.200 If you could use your resources to find out one thing that is not public to the world, what would it be?
00:00:56.460 Oh, that's an interesting one.
00:00:59.340 that's that's already known by other not known no no but people know like governments know
00:01:07.080 societies know but it's not to the public could be assassinations could be events that took place
00:01:12.540 could be you know you obviously said earlier you're not interested in noah satoshi you could
00:01:17.180 know anything one fact moon anything what would it be i think i will probably want to know how the
00:01:25.140 1971, when we switched off the gold standard.
00:01:29.060 Nixon.
00:01:29.420 What happened behind the things there?
00:01:33.100 What were these discussions?
00:01:34.280 Out of everything, that's what you would want to know.
00:01:37.760 I've only had five seconds to think about that.
00:01:40.280 That's pretty massive.
00:01:41.280 That's one of the things we talk about a lot.
00:01:43.100 Why that?
00:01:44.020 It's very relevant to our industry.
00:01:46.220 I want to know what were the factors forcing the decision to move away from the gold standard.
00:01:53.240 I actually kind of know the background,
00:01:54.820 but I kind of want to know
00:01:55.700 what were the real discussions.
00:01:57.680 The background is, you know,
00:01:59.140 no one has enough gold, right?
00:02:01.780 So they want to move it off
00:02:02.600 and the government can bring fiat money.
00:02:04.900 But I want to know what the conversations were,
00:02:08.380 et cetera, just to get the back.
00:02:10.520 I wish somebody wrote a book like my book.
00:02:14.100 Like what authentic discussions
00:02:16.340 that happened at the time.
00:02:18.340 Do you think it was a good move or bad move?
00:02:21.420 Or a necessary move?
00:02:22.340 Like you didn't have a choice.
00:02:23.700 It's a bit of both, to be honest.
00:02:25.260 I think this person comes for that move.
00:02:27.880 But I think it just staying on the gold standard
00:02:30.860 probably will limit the economic development.
00:02:34.100 I think some quantitative easing,
00:02:35.380 some inflation is okay, is good,
00:02:37.240 is also maybe necessary.
00:02:39.600 But the problem is inflation always goes too high,
00:02:41.580 too quickly.
00:02:42.780 And then, so this is a balance.
00:02:46.280 I'm not saying like, you know,
00:02:46.940 zero inflation is the best.
00:02:50.240 Usually when this kind of thing is first,
00:02:52.060 very similar to the to the sort of trust of foundations or a charity that you're talking
00:02:56.320 about when this thing first start they always with good intentions but with time like you know
00:02:59.680 the board changes and the mission moves and then people get more greedy and then it's just
00:03:04.900 a poorly managed um so that's just that's just human nature that you know things evolve usually
00:03:11.660 things evolve and often degrade over time so i don't think it's a bad move at the time particularly
00:03:17.400 But it's hard to maintain that over time.
00:03:21.200 Yeah.
00:03:21.540 I mean, you know, like you say, you're limited, right,
00:03:24.720 on how much you can lend because the limited supply.
00:03:27.660 So we almost had to get off of it.
00:03:29.260 But once we got off of it, fiat, what is it backed by?
00:03:32.460 A promise?
00:03:33.360 And this goes to Peter Schiff arguments, right?
00:03:35.480 This is why gold.
00:03:36.320 This is why gold.
00:03:37.100 This is why gold.
00:03:37.820 And gold has a lot of limits, right?
00:03:41.680 So, you know, you don't know whether it's real or not.
00:03:44.400 It's not divisible.
00:03:45.280 It's not transportable.
00:03:46.140 funny when you handed it to him he's like i don't even know if this is real because i don't know
00:03:48.920 who minted it remember when he said yeah you didn't even trust i don't even know if this is
00:03:52.700 real gold yeah you're like no i bought pay pay you paid 130 000 for it at the time whatever the
00:03:57.240 price was 4200 yeah yeah you're right so and by the way even with nixon with the whole china deal
00:04:02.380 at the time because china was weak yeah you know it was number eight nine ten and gdp and russia
00:04:07.480 was at the top and they were worried about ussr and communism and whatever so let's strengthen
00:04:11.160 these guys, and I look at China
00:04:13.300 now.
00:04:15.780 Do you go back to China often
00:04:19.160 or no? I haven't been to
00:04:21.240 China for the last seven years
00:04:23.220 or longer. Any reason or no reason?
00:04:26.180 China is not...
00:04:27.780 China has not...
00:04:29.500 China actually explicitly said that
00:04:31.340 they don't allow cryptocurrency exchange
00:04:33.100 businesses.
00:04:35.120 China's banned crypto exchanges.
00:04:37.100 If I go back, people will know I'm back.
00:04:39.480 People will want to have meetings with me.
00:04:40.840 people want to have chats i don't want to be that seen i guess like you know promoting uh you're
00:04:45.160 not worried about safety like if you go and they'll keep you there that's not your concern
00:04:48.300 i'm not sure to be to be very frank probably not a risk worth taking yeah so uh yeah so like look
00:04:57.360 i i don't try to cause problems for people i don't try to go where like i'm not welcome
00:05:02.080 potentially like i think i'm welcome to go like i think that's just as a traveler etc but people
00:05:08.400 would want to meet with me.
00:05:10.200 They would want to talk about crypto.
00:05:11.260 They would want me to go on stage,
00:05:12.360 do a talk.
00:05:14.400 Did you talk to Jack Ma,
00:05:16.400 or no?
00:05:17.300 No, I've never talked to Jack Ma.
00:05:18.820 I talked to other people
00:05:20.260 very senior at Alibaba.
00:05:22.540 But I never talked to Jack Ma.
00:05:24.680 Really?
00:05:25.300 I thought you guys
00:05:26.160 would have talked for sure.
00:05:27.420 There was a couple
00:05:28.660 of potential chances.
00:05:29.700 He visits Masayoshi-san
00:05:32.940 in Japan.
00:05:34.640 We miss each other by a day.
00:05:36.520 like finance japan that'd be an interesting sit down that'd be a very interesting sit down
00:05:41.000 yeah yeah if you did an event like in singapore you know uh and for him to fly out that would
00:05:48.820 be an interesting i think the world would show up to entertain that conversation for sure but i
00:05:53.260 think jack ma has also became much more low-key he has so he's what happens when you talk a little
00:05:58.720 bit and you say stuff about the government they may silence you for whatever reason he's not much
00:06:04.020 more low-key so i don't think he's gonna do too it seems that he's not doing too many public talks
00:06:08.920 etc do you think there was a conversation behind closed doors hey you better relax and not criticize
00:06:13.360 us most likely most likely so you never know for sure yeah because he was everywhere there was a
00:06:19.440 time that he was one of the main entrepreneur voices yeah and his stuff would go viral all
00:06:24.180 the time yeah and he was a likable guy he was a guy that you he had a sense of humor you know
00:06:28.440 personality so yeah it's interesting he's been a little bit quiet uh uh would would china look at
00:06:34.800 you as they made you in their eyes because you were born there is it kind of like hey we made
00:06:40.360 you we taught you our values and principles without the way uh of our living you wouldn't
00:06:45.220 be where you are right now is that kind of how they would view it i don't think so i left at 12
00:06:48.940 so um you don't think that's the pride because the temperament you have is a very good temperament
00:06:54.300 Yeah. When people ask me, as you asked, do I identify as Chinese or not? Ethnicity, I'm definitely Chinese. But education, culture, the way you think about your value system is really built in your teenager years. So I spent that in Canada. And then after work, I was mostly outside of China.
00:07:16.540 Right. So most of my work styles are thinking is more capitalist, capitalism, et cetera.
00:07:24.140 So my way of doing business is more, much more American than Chinese, I would say.
00:07:29.740 So, yeah, so, but I know I have many, many Chinese friends, but there was also another
00:07:37.420 like no common attack that people try to attack me with is because I look Chinese,
00:07:42.940 I'm part of the CCP or anything like that.
00:07:44.940 That's completely false.
00:07:47.460 You're part of the CCP.
00:07:49.000 Yeah, it's just completely false.
00:07:50.340 I've been away from China for 30-something years.
00:07:52.520 My business couldn't operate in China.
00:07:53.980 I'm a business guy.
00:07:54.880 I'm never political.
00:07:56.380 Yeah, so that's also...
00:07:57.500 I don't think China will try to view me as a Chinese business.
00:08:01.680 I think we just don't have those touch points.
00:08:05.340 But the likelihood of you taking a trip to China in the next 5 to 10 years
00:08:08.680 is probably slim to...
00:08:10.360 I'm open to it.
00:08:11.360 Okay, all right.
00:08:12.060 Like, for example, if I get invited, I will go, but I probably wouldn't go unsolicited.
00:08:17.340 So if Xi invited you to say, hey, we would like to have a meeting, you'd go?
00:08:20.480 Oh, yeah.
00:08:21.040 Well, of course.
00:08:22.240 So if anybody that's in here invites me, I'll go.
00:08:25.500 So then that means your fear isn't a real high fear that you think if you go there, they may not let you leave.
00:08:31.000 Oh, no, no, no.
00:08:31.420 I'm not feeling that.
00:08:32.520 But I visit countries who are pro-crypto.
00:08:35.720 So if China says, look, come in, help us with the crypto regulations, I'd be happy to go.
00:08:40.620 And that's why you're in UAE.
00:08:41.520 You feel safe being there because they're pro-crypto.
00:08:43.560 That makes you feel safe.
00:08:44.840 Yeah, I feel safe in many countries,
00:08:46.940 but I don't spend time in non-pro-crypto countries
00:08:49.520 because if they're against crypto, what am I doing there?
00:08:51.500 I'm just a sore in their eye.
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