00:04:34.840And the divide is, did you stand against Trump or did you go with Trump?
00:04:38.980Now, interestingly, even though Cheney was against him in 24, when a lot of Republicans weren't with Trump in 16, Cheney actually stepped up and said, no, I'm for Trump.
00:05:44.840By the way, how much credence do you give to the story about the fact that President Bush and his family are reportedly planning to retake the Republican Party from Trump once he's out of the office?
00:05:53.460According to a recent rumor steering that there's a plot to end the so-called Bush exile as part of the effort to take a – how much credibility do you give to a story like this?
00:08:03.460He has been the destroyer of political legacies.
00:08:08.380I mean that is one of his legacies as a political actor for the last 10 years, taking out entrenched things like whether it's a political dynasty,
00:08:19.860whether it's the establishment media, whatever.
00:08:23.060The guy has – the people that were running our politics have all basically fallen to Donald Trump, not just Democrats but Republicans too.
00:08:31.460You know what Lee Zeldin said yesterday?
00:12:40.360And what was that like for you in your 20s?
00:12:42.900While you're on the inside, you're spending time with this man, and then you're going out and –
00:12:47.320how are you as a young man processing what they're saying about him versus you're in there with him on a daily basis?
00:12:53.140I mean, it just doesn't match, and I knew it, and we knew it, and I think one of the frustrations that we always had was, how do you defeat this propaganda?
00:13:04.020Like, how do you defeat these narratives?
00:13:07.880It's one of the reasons Republicans love Trump.
00:13:10.440He shows up and says, you know, we don't actually have to take this.
00:13:13.040We don't have to take this lying down.
00:13:14.640And that was, I think, one of the frustrations with old guard politicians, that they just didn't fight back hard enough to try to defeat what Hollywood or the media and anybody else was doing to the Republican Party.
00:15:04.440I mean, it was a direct attack on America.
00:15:06.400And I – look, it's 2025, and I know it was a long time ago.
00:15:09.040But in my opinion, we do well to remember there are people out there that want to kill us, and they would do it today if they had the chance.
00:15:14.160But if we think about it, though, Scott, it was – those Islamic terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, but then they lied, Cheney and the Bush administration, and they said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
00:15:24.360And we went there, and we killed one million people, including a bunch of my brothers and sisters because I'm a veteran as well with Pat.
00:15:31.220The hardest thing watching this and watching them in church was me having to pray for him because I prayed to God that he got right with God and Jesus Christ because at the end, because of the damage that he did.
00:15:41.060You mentioned Halliburton, how are you doing all the defense contracts, and you work for Halliburton, and then you're getting paid for all those defense contracts.
00:15:48.440And 9-11, like you said, 9-11, I was in, I'm from New York, tragic tracking thing.
00:15:52.880All the stories, there's still a bunch of unanswered questions, especially building number seven.
00:15:58.180But to act – and by the way, he pushed techniques like waterboarding and stuff, which if you're even a known terrorist and they waterboard you, you're going to admit to anything.
00:16:07.140So they were grabbing people and saying, tell us that it was here so we could go bomb this.
00:16:55.120But then, of course, the reaction to Obama was Trump.
00:16:57.700And so, look, we may have difference of opinion about actions at the time, but my personal view is that the American people ultimately decide how they're going to react to the decisions that were made at the time, and they decide in the next election.
00:17:17.760But it will be a reaction to the decisions that are made.
00:17:20.500But do you agree, Scott, that once 9-11 happened, we were told, because, mind you, I was in, I remember Bush on the aircraft carrier, and he, America, and we had to get these terrible things.
00:17:29.240Scott, I fell for it, too, but knowing that they were like, okay, Iraq, Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, and we went all in, and then the dust settled, and we were like, wait a minute.
00:19:07.760But, I mean, you know, as President Bush has long said, look, if you're the president, we just suffered 9-11, and the CIA comes in and says, this is a story.
00:19:49.840When we have a very complicated relationship with the president because I've spent some time with him when we brought him to the event, and, you know, if you come into my office, you know, I've got a few things with different presidents.
00:20:00.360I've got a bunch of stuff from President Trump, but I've got a letter he wrote me many, many years ago.
00:20:12.680He had to give it to the Library of Congress, but we couldn't keep it.
00:20:15.580So we had to literally hand over the chip, and then, boom, we don't have the files.
00:20:19.360And you know what he openly talked about?
00:20:22.780He talked about issues he had with alcohol.
00:20:25.800He talked about one day, he's like, eight years go by with my family, and I'm sitting there saying, what the hell am I doing drinking every single night?
00:20:33.700He said, I took all my alcohol, went to the bathroom, poured all of it out.
00:20:36.040And then he said, I made a difference in my life, made some changes.
00:20:39.460And then from there is when he decided to go and, you know, becomes a governor and then president and all this other stuff.
00:20:44.820But I think in the weirdest way, Vinny, you would like him.
00:21:05.500But I would read this book because, to me, this man was a flawed man, just like anybody else that at one point is like, man, I made some mistakes.
00:21:13.060He talks about exactly what you're talking about in the book.