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- May 14, 2026
"They Wanted To Protect SBF" - The $100M Democrat Payoff That Protected SBF & DESTROYED CZ
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9 minutes
Words per minute
193.97363
Word count
1,751
Sentence count
120
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To get the context of dates right, so when do you go away?
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When do you get the pardon?
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So I arrived in the U.S. November 21st, 2023,
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and then I was supposed to be sentenced going through the court.
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I was sentenced on April 30th, 2024.
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I went to, I think I self-surrendered to prison on May 30th, 2024.
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I got out of prison on September 27th, 2024,
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So, I did four months there.
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And then I think in October 21st, 2025, I got the presidential pardon.
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So, yeah.
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So, a year later.
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A year later.
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But what is the big deal about getting a pardon, though, a year later?
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Like, what does it do?
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What benefit?
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You're not a U.S. citizen.
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You don't live here.
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Who cares about getting a pardon?
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Why was that such a big deal?
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It's a big deal.
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It's a big deal.
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Without a pardon, I'm labeled as a felon.
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So, I have a criminal record, right?
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And then, especially in my industry, where we deal with finances,
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we have to get financial licenses,
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my ability to what they call the fit and proper as a UBO,
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ultimate beneficiary owner, is significantly impacted.
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That means I cannot be a shareholder of many of our businesses.
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Or we will limit our ability to get licenses.
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This is not just in the U.S.
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This is global.
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And in the U.S. even more.
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After the pardon, this goes away.
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It's a full, unconditional pardon.
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And yeah, so the pardon is the big deal.
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With a pardon, we don't get the fines back,
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but still it's a big deal that we get our name cleared.
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Got it.
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So it helps you out for licensing
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and the way U.S. qualifies you,
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the rest of the world will pay attention to it.
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So it kind of opens the market up for you
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that if you choose to get back into business, you can.
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Yes, yes.
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Okay, but you have to step down as the CEO of Binance.
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Yes, when I step, yes, that's true.
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What can you do?
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What can you not do with Binance?
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I actually have a legal opinion from my lawyers,
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but basically, largely, my shareholder rights are intact.
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But now, given the pardon, I believe I have a lot more freedom.
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But I still don't run Binance.
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And also, the company still have two monitors on them, etc.
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So there's still some limitations.
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But largely, nowadays, I actually don't really want to run Binance either.
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After getting the pardon, could you now go back and be the CEO of Binance, or you couldn't do it legally?
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I think there's still some restrictions around that.
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Is it permanent, or is there a time on it?
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I actually need to check with the lawyers.
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Nothing is really permanent, in my opinion.
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But I believe that there's still some restrictions today.
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So in five years, would it be an impossible thing that we get news that says CZ makes a comeback and he's the CEO of Binance?
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Is there a possibility that that could happen?
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A very small possibility.
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You don't have the itch to come back at all.
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Even if I could, Binance has very strong leaders now.
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They run the company much better than if I were to go back.
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I view myself as more of a zero to one kind of guy, where from like one to a hundred, there are other people who are…
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To say that, that's not easy to say.
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Most people don't have the – that's why you're not an ego guy, though.
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For you to be able to say that, the average guy can't say something like that.
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I'm not a ego guy.
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I'm a normal guy.
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Like, I'm not – yeah.
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You're not a normal guy.
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But, you know, to say, you know, zero to one, you know, and you're not a 1-200.
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Very few founders can say that.
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I think it's my personality, right?
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I like to create things, whereas running things, you know, you have to be structured.
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You have a lot of – you know, there's a lot of structure, a lot of bureaucracy.
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when i see like you know even even sometimes i hear about what's happening in binance and i
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there's a bureaucracy that drive me nuts yeah yeah i can i can only imagine that but it's
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probably got to be also a little bit uh relieved to not have to make any decisions you're free
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they have to do it you're free you're doing your own thing and you know they're gonna have to run
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the company and you still are majority shareholders so if the company goes to half a trillion
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you're going to be benefiting from it.
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So that's a good place to be.
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So, okay.
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So this happens.
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You're off.
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By the way, did you ever meet with the president?
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Have you and the president ever met or no?
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No.
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I saw him in person in Davos where he was on stage
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and I was in the audience.
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We didn't say hi.
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I didn't get it.
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When year was this?
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This is last year.
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This is Davos last year.
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Oh, this is Davos last year.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This year, actually.
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It was in January, right?
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This is the one where Newsom was standing on the side
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and didn't let him give one of the talks.
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Yes.
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The controversy there.
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Yes.
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Did you see Newsom?
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No, I didn't see Newsom.
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Did any of the Democratic guys approach you and recognize you?
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Did they come up to you?
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No, at least they didn't come and talk to me.
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I was only there for one day.
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I was only there for like, no.
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Did you speak or was it just a networking dinner conversations?
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I was there for a dinner and I spoke on stage.
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I was on a panel and then I had the Andrew Sorkins interview with CNBC.
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So I did those three things.
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I flew out.
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Is this it?
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this is a free man,
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by an answer on the two,
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no,
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he was a,
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yeah,
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yeah,
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yeah.
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So it was,
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this was outside.
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So the sun,
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the sun,
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like my glasses look good on you,
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buddy.
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I got to tell you that you look good with those glasses.
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It's the same glasses.
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Is it except that one?
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It's the same.
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In the sun,
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it turns darker.
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Okay.
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Well,
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the dark look is a good look.
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You got a,
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you got a James Bond,
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uh,
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looking,
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uh,
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you know,
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look going on there for you.
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But by the way,
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you want to play that Merrick Garland clip.
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I just love the way he says it.
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Like he is celebrating your fall,
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finance has agreed to plead guilty to willfully violating the bank secrecy act knowingly failing
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to register as a money transmitting business go to the part about the biggest fine the international
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it was a seven second clip by this later billions of dollars no i wanted to get to the clip okay you
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don't have the clip it's okay we don't have to show it so he's not a very much liked guy he did
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a lot of weird things when he had power and he was one of those guys that wanted to use his power
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to take down different guys.
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And if you weren't willing to help them out
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and you took their biggest stoner,
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I wouldn't be surprised if he got a call from somebody
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to say, let's target CZ.
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Not saying the stuff that you guys did,
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you know, probably didn't break a couple laws
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that we have because of the transfers
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that was taking place.
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But still, you could tell they were interested
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in targeting a guy like you.
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Till the last minute, they wanted to protect SPF.
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Sorry?
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You were going to say something.
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Yeah, no.
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They even attacked President Trump.
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right president trump got charges criminal charges for bringing a document to his bathroom
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yeah no they tried it they try to they try to destroy uh the the president and and the good
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thing about the market is like you said the constitution it's interesting for you to say
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how powerful the constitution is to go from there to where it's at today relationship with trump is
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there's a conversation about the fact that you help them with a technology that they have what
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is the relationship with you and the family this basically no relationship um so um there's no
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business relationships there's no commercial relations what is that company's name there's
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a company name that they talk about something liberty right or world liberty finance yeah
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what's the relationship with you and world liberty we don't have we don't have any nothing we don't
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have any relationships um uh yeah i think they when they said so world liberty finance issues
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a stablecoin called USD1 and USD1 is deployed on BNB Chain which is a public blockchain that
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anyone can deploy a smart contract. The smart contract is open source and BNB Chain's developers
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probably give them like a sample code which is you know pretty much publicly available so that's
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probably what they were referring to making up a story saying and this is nothing to do with Binance
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nothing to do with me personally so we don't have any stake in USD1 or World Liberty Finance
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they don't have a stake in us um there were reports about you know there was a deal about
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you know giving some equity of binance or binance us to get a partner there's no such transactions
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they don't own any equity in any of those entities yeah that's a story that you'll see all over the
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place the fact that hey there was this was a back deal you helped them out this was their way
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