Valuetainment - June 07, 2025


“This Is A Civil WAR!” - Musk Turns On Trump With WILD Epstein List Accusation


Episode Stats

Length

13 minutes

Words per Minute

195.86664

Word Count

2,720

Sentence Count

240

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

Elon Musk and Donald Trump have been beefing for a while now, and it s only getting worse. In this episode, we discuss why this might be happening, and why it s a good thing, and what it means for the future of the country.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 But by the way, here's a couple of things to consider just to kind of open up a different couple of conversations.
00:00:05.480 There was always things I was looking at that I was like, huh, that's a weird relationship.
00:00:10.400 Why don't those guys get along?
00:00:11.960 What's this all about?
00:00:12.860 Okay, Sam Altman and OpenAI, Elon Musk hates that guy, hates that guy.
00:00:21.060 Trump would bring him around all the time.
00:00:23.260 That's an awkward situation.
00:00:25.660 All right.
00:00:26.420 I don't know what kind of conversations are happening.
00:00:28.480 I don't know what's going on there.
00:00:30.000 Number two, Doge.
00:00:33.340 What happened with Vivek?
00:00:35.100 What happened there?
00:00:36.820 Like, in my opinion, Vivek should have been the one running Doge.
00:00:40.580 Elon could have been an advisor.
00:00:41.700 He could have been around.
00:00:42.840 He's already running a dozen other companies and impregnating a half a dozen women.
00:00:48.260 Like, you need another job next to Trump?
00:00:51.260 All right, here's another one for you.
00:00:52.520 Open that up, will you?
00:00:53.560 Hold on.
00:00:54.040 Let me just finish this up.
00:00:55.120 No, no, no.
00:00:55.520 Hold on.
00:00:56.080 Your point deserves for you to follow it up.
00:00:58.480 Because we process deeply, and you did, on this podcast, you did, about how that tweet
00:01:04.360 was so hit the wrong way, Vivek's tweet, that so much weight and heat came against him
00:01:11.640 that he had to step back.
00:01:12.960 Correct.
00:01:13.500 And part two to that, and I would like to revisit that with you, was that was on the
00:01:17.020 heels of the whole H-1B visa situation.
00:01:20.420 Vivek weighed in.
00:01:21.240 Steve Bannon weighed in.
00:01:22.660 It basically, you know, MAGA 1.0 and MAGA 2.0 are starting to feud.
00:01:26.920 And Vivek's comment was, America not quite exceptionalism.
00:01:30.580 Yeah, because Vivek, I don't know, kind of speaks the truth.
00:01:33.020 Some people are just lame as hell, and they're entitled.
00:01:36.020 The Epstein situation, okay, we talked about that.
00:01:39.040 Makes a lot of sense why Kash Patel and Dan Bongino were kind of keeping mums the word.
00:01:44.820 So, and this big, beautiful bill.
00:01:46.480 By the way, who in the administration did we actually hear of Elon feuding with?
00:01:52.380 Do you remember who it was?
00:01:53.600 Well, it was Marco Rubio, Secretary of State.
00:01:56.160 Do you remember that?
00:01:57.480 So Elon's in here having issues with key components of the administration, and it was sort of a
00:02:03.860 lipstick on a pig for a quarter billion dollars, and now we're basically seeing what happens.
00:02:08.860 And then here's the last thing.
00:02:10.240 What was the relationship with Susie Wiles?
00:02:11.940 Correct.
00:02:12.940 Chief of Staff.
00:02:13.720 Yeah, this is from April, Inside Elon Musk, Dangerous Battles with Trump's Ice Maiden.
00:02:18.700 And in it, they talk about Susie Wiles, Chief of Staff.
00:02:21.080 So, you know, this goes back to my initial point.
00:02:24.680 Careful who gives you money.
00:02:25.980 Trump, Elon basically gave a quarter billion dollars, bought his way into the White House,
00:02:31.560 him and his kids, you know, piggybacking over here.
00:02:35.140 And now he has the audacity to take down, or at least attempt to take down, the President of
00:02:42.580 the United States.
00:02:42.920 Now, Trump dealt with some assassination attempts, you know, before he became inaugurated.
00:02:48.720 This is a straight-up character assassination by Elon Musk against the sitting President of the United States.
00:02:54.840 Is there any way, is there any way, just to be devil's advocate and flip it, is there any way, guys, Brandon, I want to know honestly, that this could be a fake, coordinated fight?
00:03:05.520 Like, remember, to distract everybody from something bigger that's happened.
00:03:07.880 Remember, with Trump, Tom, in 2017 with Jeff Sessions, where Sessions appeared to be disloyal, but he was actually helping with key investigations behind the scenes.
00:03:18.300 Could this be something where, I appreciate the question, I appreciate the question, if there's
00:03:23.860 one tweet, okay, cool, they're going back and forth, and Elon is not stopping, you know,
00:03:31.560 one joke, ha, ha, ha, two jokes, ten jokes, you're coming for his throat, bro.
00:03:36.640 Speaker Johnson sided with Musk.
00:03:39.380 Yeah.
00:03:39.920 What do you mean Speaker Johnson sided with Musk?
00:03:41.520 What are you talking about?
00:03:42.340 Go to, go to, go to Musk's tweet, go to Musk's handle, just go to his handle, and go all
00:03:49.280 the way, yeah, go, go all the way, okay, go, go, zoom in a little bit around and keep
00:03:53.700 going slower, and keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, you'll see, six hours
00:03:57.100 ago, he says, I agree with this guy, keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:04:02.300 Speaker Johnson just passed the big, beautiful bill in the house.
00:04:06.020 I was going to say, that's weird.
00:04:06.840 He said he was calling Elon today, too, when he was walking.
00:04:09.340 Right there, look at that.
00:04:10.120 I super agree with this guy, Mike Johnson, at some point, Congress has to stop this endless
00:04:15.060 cycle of out-of-control deficit spending.
00:04:17.340 Okay, got it.
00:04:18.020 What's he saying?
00:04:19.180 He's on Elon's side.
00:04:20.500 He's saying what he's saying.
00:04:21.180 That's pro-Elon.
00:04:21.800 And by the way, go up and see, he retweets something from Trump from 2012.
00:04:25.380 That was a little bit before.
00:04:27.160 Look at Elon.
00:04:27.800 Yeah, that was a little bit before this.
00:04:28.820 Right, but go all the way up.
00:04:29.660 But think he has to go and look for that tweet.
00:04:31.820 He has to dig through Mike Johnson's seven years of tweets to go back and find him.
00:04:35.680 But going, he found one of Trump's point, Rob.
00:04:38.080 Read between the lines there.
00:04:39.720 Yeah, that's him calling out for spending.
00:04:40.460 He's basically saying, you're a hypocrite.
00:04:42.880 Yeah, because-
00:04:43.260 He's basically saying, at some point, you've got to stop all this spending.
00:04:46.920 And he's basically saying, but now-
00:04:48.660 Because he did that with Trump.
00:04:49.820 Go up.
00:04:50.160 Okay.
00:04:50.560 Keep going up.
00:04:51.700 Watch what he did with Trump.
00:04:54.760 No, go a little bit higher.
00:04:56.060 It's the screenshot.
00:04:57.540 Oh, right here.
00:04:58.560 It's an obvious lie.
00:05:01.120 Elon was wearing thin.
00:05:02.300 I asked him to leave.
00:05:03.220 I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted.
00:05:07.780 That he knew for months I was going to do it, and he just went crazy.
00:05:11.860 What does he say?
00:05:12.860 Such a lie.
00:05:14.120 Trump fires back at Elon.
00:05:15.260 The online battle begins.
00:05:17.080 This is the problem with democracy, by the way.
00:05:19.420 This is why they say you don't want to see how the sausage is made.
00:05:22.420 This is the good, the bad, the ugly of what we're living with.
00:05:24.820 Now everything's out in the open.
00:05:26.120 Every single person, every single adversary, every foe, every enemy is like, oh, I know
00:05:31.900 how to get between these mother suckers.
00:05:33.720 You don't think she's watching this?
00:05:35.160 You don't think Putin's watching this?
00:05:36.680 You don't think the terrorists are watching this?
00:05:38.320 You don't think the Ayatollahs are watching this and being like, just eating their popcorn
00:05:42.500 like they're Jon Stewart in that meme over here, and just watching this all go down
00:05:47.720 and loving it?
00:05:49.080 Elon's a big liar, too, though.
00:05:50.320 Such a bad look for America.
00:05:51.260 Elon's a big liar, too, though.
00:05:52.400 Because, I mean, think about the video game thing where he paid somebody to get the best
00:05:56.420 score in the world in the video game, and for years he acted like he was a world-class
00:05:59.500 player at that super advanced video game, and then he got caught like he hadn't even
00:06:02.680 played the game before.
00:06:03.580 So, you know, what does that tell you that somebody's willing to put that much effort
00:06:06.380 into crafting their image?
00:06:07.800 You know, something that small and insignificant to be the best in the world at a video game.
00:06:11.400 So, like, what else could he be lying about and, like, misportraying if he will do
00:06:16.080 something like that?
00:06:16.720 Good point.
00:06:17.280 PBD, I have one serious question for you.
00:06:19.480 Tell me.
00:06:19.800 For me, this is pretty ugly.
00:06:24.160 I think it's about to get way uglier.
00:06:26.720 How ugly can this get between these two guys?
00:06:32.040 Seizing Tesla?
00:06:33.840 Who?
00:06:34.220 Like, the government seizing Tesla as a matter of national security if they start pulling
00:06:37.600 things that are critical to the military?
00:06:39.540 Hey, Brandon, Brandon.
00:06:40.320 That's PBD.
00:06:40.880 Not you.
00:06:41.520 Brandon, let me unpack a little bit with you.
00:06:42.980 Can I ask, guys, I asked PBD a question, and you guys started talking.
00:06:46.240 Allow the guy with the name of the podcast to talk.
00:06:50.340 As of nine hours ago, as of a day ago, as of a day ago, the Republican Party was probably
00:06:57.880 the strongest it's been in decades.
00:07:00.780 Yep.
00:07:01.180 24 hours ago.
00:07:02.280 Mm-hmm.
00:07:03.140 Seriously.
00:07:03.760 If you think about it.
00:07:04.520 Yeah.
00:07:04.960 We saw the stats with Harry Anton.
00:07:05.900 Oh, are you kidding me?
00:07:06.840 That video shows, you know, middle America, they think about Republicans.
00:07:10.880 This is the first time where the Democrats went from 23% in 1989 in NBC poll to today being
00:07:15.340 even, while middle America sees both parties as being for middle America.
00:07:20.300 For the working class, right?
00:07:21.520 Dude, this is not good, because this has got everything written on it for a civil war.
00:07:28.960 And you know what's the one thing about both of them?
00:07:32.260 They're both not going to compromise.
00:07:36.800 And so who is going to be able to play the middle guy to come and do this?
00:07:40.600 There is no candidate.
00:07:42.240 There is no candidate.
00:07:43.100 Anyway, the only person that maybe stands a chance of being able to do this if Larry
00:07:49.660 Ellison gets involved.
00:07:50.660 Remember when Larry Ellison told Musk, don't fight with Apple?
00:07:55.020 That's not a fight you want to go.
00:07:56.240 I don't know if you remember that.
00:07:57.540 So Larry Ellison could be the only one that could be in his ear to listen to.
00:08:02.160 I mean, Musk is unfollowing, allegedly, all the people that are Trump's allies.
00:08:09.020 What is he saying?
00:08:09.720 I want to have nothing to do with your group.
00:08:11.560 By the way, did you see what Charlie Crook tweeted?
00:08:13.540 Very respectful tweet Charlie put up.
00:08:15.740 Charlie put up a very respectful tweet.
00:08:18.400 Here's what Charlie Crook's tweet is.
00:08:20.260 We are so blessed to have Trump as president.
00:08:21.840 That's two minutes ago.
00:08:22.460 Keep going.
00:08:22.800 That was going to keep going a little bit lower.
00:08:24.640 No, keep going a little bit lower.
00:08:26.240 There will be some fighting attacks in days to come.
00:08:28.100 I just want to say something on the outset.
00:08:29.200 We should never forget how terrible the environment was online prior to October 2022.
00:08:33.640 No matter what happens, I'm grateful that Elon Musk just bought X and liberated free speech in America.
00:08:38.420 His contribution to America and to civilization from that alone is immense.
00:08:43.440 Very true.
00:08:43.740 He said that.
00:08:44.740 Then he says what?
00:08:46.720 His first credit is to who?
00:08:49.120 To Elon.
00:08:49.480 His first credit is to Elon.
00:08:50.980 What's his last credit to?
00:08:52.360 Trump.
00:08:52.600 So, and that happened right after he unfollowed him, okay?
00:08:57.460 That happened right after he unfollowed him.
00:08:59.620 I think, you know, I remember when we were growing as a company so well and there was this one guy that kept putting a freaking wrench in a momentum every damn time.
00:09:13.520 And here's all it would do.
00:09:15.160 We would be united.
00:09:16.140 Like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
00:09:17.900 And then, boom, he said something.
00:09:19.660 Boom.
00:09:20.360 Now I only have this side.
00:09:21.220 And then I would work hard, work hard, work hard, work hard.
00:09:24.000 We got to run nine more months and then, boom.
00:09:26.880 These guys are, you understand what I'm saying?
00:09:30.540 It's like a constant impediment.
00:09:31.860 Dude, it's like, so this is a momentum disruptor.
00:09:36.780 And I feel, you know, okay, so let's say the main reason for this is the big, beautiful bill.
00:09:43.320 Let's say that's the reason.
00:09:45.680 If the real reason is the big, beautiful bill, let's say that's the real motive for it.
00:09:49.500 Dude, you have enough power to be able to not have Congress pass it.
00:09:54.920 Yeah.
00:09:55.540 Do you understand what I'm saying?
00:09:56.860 You know, you can, you guys can not be on the same page and, you know, not have to say he was on the island and this, this, this, and that.
00:10:05.460 That is a nuclear statement.
00:10:07.300 That's not a statement of, hey, we can go to dinner and hang out.
00:10:12.420 No, you can't.
00:10:14.040 There's certain comments.
00:10:15.660 If I, let's just say you open up something to me about something that happened with your life.
00:10:22.000 We have a relationship together with.
00:10:23.500 Yeah.
00:10:23.920 I publicly tweet that.
00:10:26.080 Yeah.
00:10:26.560 I have permanently lost trust with you.
00:10:29.080 Do you understand what I'm saying?
00:10:30.240 It's not a little bit.
00:10:31.680 It's permanent.
00:10:32.400 So this relationship is gone.
00:10:35.320 Okay.
00:10:36.000 This relationship is totally gone.
00:10:38.380 But for me, as weird as it sounds, Trump is being poised about it.
00:10:45.140 Even his reaction is still poised.
00:10:49.220 Yeah.
00:10:49.420 He's not like bitter about it.
00:10:51.980 He is, I don't know if people believe he wasn't.
00:10:54.700 Like if something comes out and it shows that he is, something happened with Epstein and all that other stuff.
00:10:59.500 It's really, it's going to be a democratic, you know, birthday.
00:11:04.340 It's the greatest gift being handed over to them.
00:11:06.500 Right?
00:11:07.380 But to me, all I'm thinking about is who are the people that have the ability to sit down with these guys and have them listen to them?
00:11:13.260 That's all I'm interested in right now.
00:11:15.420 Larry Ellison is one.
00:11:18.460 Thiel?
00:11:19.320 No way.
00:11:20.280 I don't think it's Thiel.
00:11:22.020 I think Ellison is one.
00:11:23.460 Either, were you talking just Musk or either one?
00:11:25.880 Either one.
00:11:26.340 To sit down with both of them.
00:11:27.700 Or somebody that calls a meeting right away.
00:11:31.160 Ellison is one.
00:11:32.400 Who else is it?
00:11:33.800 Look, there's not that many people that can go listen to.
00:11:34.840 I really think it's only Ellison.
00:11:37.880 Because I think Ellison, I don't, Tom, not Bezos, not Altman, hell no.
00:11:45.380 You got.
00:11:45.980 Rogan.
00:11:46.780 Not Rogan.
00:11:47.920 Nope.
00:11:48.640 Rogan would do, is going to probably do the podcast with Elon.
00:11:52.040 They're probably texting right now.
00:11:53.140 If it's not him, it's going to be Friedman.
00:11:54.200 But that's, a podcast is coming here soon.
00:11:56.420 He's in Austin, he's probably going to go on Joe and talk to him and talk about some
00:11:59.800 of this stuff.
00:12:00.220 So that's going to be a massive podcast.
00:12:02.200 But I'm talking about somebody that's going to, no cameras need it and doesn't need credit.
00:12:08.940 Ellison doesn't give a shit about credit.
00:12:10.700 He's not trying to be a famous person.
00:12:11.940 He's just, he's living a different life.
00:12:14.240 You need somebody that doesn't need any credit, doesn't want anything, that can sit down and
00:12:19.100 have the conversation and be able to talk to Elon.
00:12:22.660 Elon doesn't give me the vibes that he's going to listen to anybody.
00:12:26.420 He doesn't give me the vibes that he's going to listen to anybody.
00:12:28.300 He doesn't seem like he wants to fix it either.
00:12:29.720 Like to say something like that would almost leave me to think that he doesn't expect him
00:12:33.320 to be president for much longer.
00:12:34.680 Because what advantage does he have to say something like that where he's going to have
00:12:37.860 a bad relationship with the president now after having a good relationship?
00:12:40.520 What do you mean he doesn't expect him to be president much longer?
00:12:42.220 I'm saying to say something like that and to make the president hate you and make an
00:12:45.900 enemy out of him.
00:12:46.540 Like what are you thinking strategically?
00:12:48.060 In seven tweets in one afternoon.
00:12:51.940 And my question is, I want to know where the spark came from.
00:12:56.020 This is what we were talking about with Zelensky, Pat.
00:12:58.140 It's like, who gave you the green light?
00:13:00.880 And now we're all suspecting that it was the deep forces, intelligence forces convincing
00:13:06.660 the respective governments of the UK and the US to say, OK, let Zelensky off the leash
00:13:13.320 here.
00:13:13.480 So let's let him do the drone thing.
00:13:15.840 And so I want to know what triggered Elon?
00:13:21.220 Because I believe the 7500 in there will bother him.
00:13:26.080 But would it trigger him like this?
00:13:28.320 I don't think so.
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