Valuetainment - January 31, 2026


“This Sends A TERRIBLE Message＂ - Luigi Mangione Death Penalty BLOCKED In Controversial Court Ruling


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12 minutes

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182.79599

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2,300

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196

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

4


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Transcript

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00:00:19.700 U.S. District Judge in New York ruled that federal prosecutors cannot seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione for the 2024 killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
00:00:35.080 Judge Margaret Garner dismissed the federal murder charge determining it was technically flawed because the underlying stalking charges did not meet the legal definition of a crime of violence.
00:00:48.340 Chris, for people that may disagree with this, what do you say to them?
00:00:52.480 I understand why you disagree and I hate the message that it sends and I think the prosecutor screwed up.
00:00:59.440 And did the judge have to make this ruling? No, but it was close to her having to make it. Why?
00:01:08.320 Because the way the law works is the reason you get the death penalty, remember, in the law, the death penalty is a very, very, very high standard, okay?
00:01:16.540 And you need to have violent felonies underneath. They said, yeah, stalking is violent.
00:01:22.340 That's not the way the stalking is perceived, especially when there's been no contact prior.
00:01:28.160 So I think they forced her hand a little bit, but I get why you don't like it because it sends a terrible message.
00:01:35.760 If this isn't murder, what is?
00:01:38.860 And I don't like it. I don't like this kid. I hate that he's Italian. I hate that people say that he's handsome.
00:01:46.560 I hate that he's raised all this money. I hate that people argue the other side of it.
00:01:50.680 To what you said about Don Lemon, to me, Mangione is that times a million in terms of the message.
00:01:56.900 Chris, can you comment on how New York State is more limited on what will get you the capital punishment in the first place?
00:02:03.320 When compared to Florida, when compared to Texas, it's federal. It's not state. It's federal.
00:02:08.040 If it were a state case, New York would still be tricky, but Florida, I mean, he would have been dead as soon as they caught him in Florida.
00:02:16.160 But federal law applies the same in all states.
00:02:20.900 Apparently there's judge, I sent you a picture of her, Margaret Garnett.
00:02:25.140 She was a liberal judge appointed by Biden.
00:02:30.800 And this just goes that everything's political at this point.
00:02:33.280 Everything is so politicized that the most unique person in this world, in this country at this point, is someone who's fair and balanced.
00:02:41.280 You know, Fox says they're fair and balanced.
00:02:43.020 Yeah, okay.
00:02:44.020 You know, CNN certainly is not.
00:02:46.000 MSNBC, which had to change their name to MSNOW, I believe.
00:02:49.460 We know where are people getting independent, non-political viewpoints at this point?
00:02:54.540 Here's just a latest example of a liberal judge that's just siding with, look, who was you appointed by, bottom right?
00:03:02.580 Joe Biden.
00:03:03.260 Joe Biden.
00:03:04.200 So they say that, you know, the Justice Department is weaponized or politicized.
00:03:10.400 Here's just another example.
00:03:11.480 It's pretty clear.
00:03:13.260 Biblical, I'm not the biggest Bible guy, but, you know, eye for an eye.
00:03:16.700 You kill somebody in cold blood?
00:03:18.940 It's you?
00:03:20.140 You're gone.
00:03:21.580 You're gone.
00:03:22.420 Death penalty.
00:03:23.120 That should be just point blank.
00:03:26.040 That's my opinion.
00:03:26.580 Sometimes they screw up the case, though.
00:03:27.960 Casey Anthony here in Florida.
00:03:29.680 Casey Anthony, exactly.
00:03:30.400 Very strong.
00:03:31.500 Overreached.
00:03:31.920 Went for the death penalty.
00:03:32.900 Yep.
00:03:34.080 She winds up getting acquitted.
00:03:35.560 Yep.
00:03:35.920 Why?
00:03:36.320 They went for too much.
00:03:37.180 I think these guys did the same thing.
00:03:38.560 They did it the wrong way, and they gave this judge an opportunity to make a ruling that I don't think will be overturned on appeal.
00:03:45.060 What do you think should happen to Mangione?
00:03:46.480 Forget about the fact that he's Italian just from a lawyer's standpoint.
00:03:50.020 Do you think he did it?
00:03:51.160 He's the worst.
00:03:51.800 Of course he did it.
00:03:52.520 Of course he did it, right?
00:03:53.360 He did it.
00:03:53.780 He wanted to do it.
00:03:54.940 He planned it.
00:03:55.700 Of course.
00:03:56.000 He did it for bad reason, and he's a bad guy.
00:03:57.940 But he's a hero on the left.
00:03:59.280 I know.
00:03:59.720 There's women lining up.
00:04:00.820 There's a story of some guy dressed up as a CIA agent.
00:04:03.400 No, today.
00:04:03.900 Well, that's a great thing.
00:04:04.900 I was going to do this.
00:04:05.120 But what do you think should happen to him, if not the death penalty?
00:04:08.280 Well, he's going to get convicted, and they're going to give him life in prison.
00:04:11.200 So then he gets to go sell books and be a hero to the left?
00:04:13.360 No, no, no.
00:04:14.180 No, hell no.
00:04:14.740 We're going to pay for him to be alive.
00:04:16.260 Well, you're going to pay for him to be alive, right?
00:04:18.040 That's life without parole.
00:04:18.940 What do you mean, no, he's not going to write a book?
00:04:20.420 No, because you have the Son of Sam law.
00:04:24.660 You can't make money off your crime.
00:04:26.900 Well, good.
00:04:27.400 Yeah, and I'm going to give you a great point.
00:04:29.080 David Berkowitz.
00:04:29.780 A 36-year-old named Mark Anderson, I will tell you where he's from, went all the way
00:04:34.640 cross-country to Metropolitan Detention Center.
00:04:37.820 He claimed he was an FBI agent.
00:04:39.520 He told the prison staff he had an order to release Lou Mangione.
00:04:44.040 They asked for his credentials.
00:04:45.860 Guess where his license went.
00:04:46.920 Guess where he's from.
00:04:47.640 You're never going to guess.
00:04:48.800 Minnesota.
00:04:49.580 Somalia.
00:04:50.200 Minnesota.
00:04:50.920 Same thing.
00:04:51.280 He's from Minnesota, and they searched his bag.
00:04:53.220 They found a barbecue fork and something that looked like a pizza cutter.
00:04:56.220 He went all the way there with a pizza cutter as if they were going to have pizza after he
00:05:00.580 got him out with the fork.
00:05:00.940 What was he trying to do, exactly?
00:05:02.240 Really?
00:05:02.800 You know what I mean?
00:05:03.340 To get him out of jail, to break him out of prison.
00:05:04.840 But he's nuts.
00:05:06.000 He's a crazy person.
00:05:07.200 You know?
00:05:07.620 So a crazy person from Minnesota?
00:05:09.940 No way.
00:05:10.560 You're never going to believe it.
00:05:11.260 Tom, do you have anything on this or no?
00:05:13.360 No.
00:05:13.980 So two days ago, I had a one-hour call with his three lawyers, Luigi's lawyers.
00:05:22.200 Luigi wrote me a two-page long letter that was written in August that I received two
00:05:31.980 days before Christmas, or even a day before Christmas, something like that.
00:05:37.500 And it was interesting because when he came out with the 27 points, one of the things he
00:05:44.520 wrote on the 27 points when my phone blew up is, Luigi Mangione is reading your next five
00:05:48.840 moves in prison.
00:05:49.440 And other inmates were reading your next five moves as well in jail.
00:05:52.840 So this is kind of how the exchange is going.
00:05:54.820 So I'm talking to the lawyer.
00:05:56.840 And yeah, that one right there.
00:05:58.820 I think it was 0.7 or 8 or 9 or one of them.
00:06:01.140 There you go, 0.7.
00:06:02.140 Your next five moves.
00:06:02.920 Yeah.
00:06:03.500 So to me, you know what I was asking the lawyers?
00:06:08.600 And who knows?
00:06:09.100 Maybe we'll do something together to go even deeper.
00:06:11.000 Because one of the lawyers that's there, she's also a content creator.
00:06:16.160 And she gets a lot of eyeballs.
00:06:17.300 She's with Midas Touch, and she does a very good job.
00:06:20.380 She's a talent.
00:06:21.780 And obviously, to be a lawyer for someone like this, you have to be very, very good at
00:06:25.560 what you do.
00:06:26.420 All I want to know is, how does this happen?
00:06:29.920 How do you go from a guy that has a trajectory of getting to where he could have gone in life,
00:06:36.840 being a good citizen, make good money, create jobs, get married, have kids, do all the stuff
00:06:41.960 that he wants to do, to all of a sudden get to this point?
00:06:45.880 I want to know where this led to this.
00:06:49.520 So, because if we don't, how many other Luigis are there that we have to know that if we don't
00:06:56.920 see patterns, we can't prevent, right?
00:06:59.900 When I'm talking to these lawyers, I'm telling them how I was, at 18 years old, if you judged
00:07:05.580 me on where I was going to be in life, you would have never said, I'm going to be here,
00:07:08.860 ever.
00:07:09.780 None of my friends would have ever said, I'm going to be here.
00:07:13.300 Someone got a hold of me.
00:07:15.300 Whether it was a couple of my drill sergeants, whether it was Drill Sergeant Green, or Drill
00:07:20.240 Sergeant Pirtle, or First Sergeant Ward, or Lieutenant Colonel Peacock, or Lieutenant
00:07:25.440 Off, or Sergeant Braxton, or all of these guys, these friendships, the influences, the
00:07:31.940 Pastor Dudley Rutherford, the Rich Dollies, these men who got a hold of you, who said,
00:07:37.180 hey, you can do better, the Brian Heflin, the Cisco Davises, these are men who get a
00:07:42.160 hold of a young man who doesn't have a sense of direction to say, what are you doing?
00:07:46.300 And flip it also on the other side.
00:07:48.320 You know what my concern, the same thing when I brought up the Don Lemon, and you said you're
00:07:51.820 more here than you're on the Don Lemon side?
00:07:54.720 Dude, we got to prevent this thing before he gets to the next level.
00:07:59.200 20 of us went to watch Joker when he came out.
00:08:01.400 I'm a big Joaquin Phoenix guy, and I want to watch the movie.
00:08:04.740 43 minutes into the movie, I look at Jen, I said, there's no way I can watch this movie.
00:08:08.860 There's no way I can watch this movie.
00:08:10.440 This is horrible.
00:08:12.700 This movie is inspiring you to go kill the billionaire.
00:08:17.260 Yep.
00:08:17.940 That's the movie.
00:08:19.480 You don't think five kids are going to say, fuck me, you know, let me go kill them and
00:08:24.420 F these guys.
00:08:25.340 And you don't think, all you need is five kids to watch Joker.
00:08:28.620 You don't think these movies are going to have that kind of an impact.
00:08:31.400 And how big of a movie was it?
00:08:32.960 Of course, Joaquin Phoenix crushed it in the movie.
00:08:35.420 Of course.
00:08:36.240 And who was the bad guy?
00:08:37.620 Was it Robert De Niro?
00:08:38.780 Who was the guy that he killed?
00:08:40.180 Robert De Niro was the late night host.
00:08:41.560 Yeah.
00:08:41.860 And so you watch this and you say, how does this happen?
00:08:45.100 I'm interested in what gets somebody to that point?
00:08:49.780 And what can we do to prevent that from happening at a large scale?
00:08:54.660 Guy does a Zoom with me yesterday.
00:08:58.120 He said something very interesting.
00:09:00.380 22, 23-year-old content creator.
00:09:02.840 Very talented.
00:09:04.340 He says, you know what I miss?
00:09:06.500 I said, what do you miss?
00:09:08.400 He says, for seven or eight years when I was a young boy, I watched every one of your
00:09:13.220 Motivation Monday videos in your car.
00:09:15.040 I watched every one of your videos about what it is to be a young man or this or content
00:09:19.420 creator and all this other stuff.
00:09:20.680 He says, America doesn't have a, you know, people that they watch on how plays a role of
00:09:27.240 a father.
00:09:28.120 He says, a lot of young men need that messaging today in a big way.
00:09:32.540 Right before jumping on here, we're talking, Chris and I are talking about your son and
00:09:38.200 you know, I'm not going to say publicly, but what decisions he's making, what he wants
00:09:41.340 to do with his career.
00:09:42.360 Good looking guy.
00:09:43.440 You know, he's doing what he's doing and family, the conversation.
00:09:46.540 There's nothing like family, but there's also nothing like influencing someone else that's
00:09:53.600 maybe not your family to prevent them to do something dumb.
00:09:57.480 I'm willing to bet the guy was this close of just being a regular guy.
00:10:01.700 You would have met, you would have never thought about him.
00:10:03.400 And I'm willing to bet there are tens of thousands of Luigi Mangione's that are this
00:10:08.100 close to do something stupid, this close.
00:10:11.020 And if we don't find a way to get ahold of these guys, we're going to have a bunch of
00:10:15.520 these cases happening, bunch of these cases happening.
00:10:18.040 So it's interesting.
00:10:19.240 They chose to go this route, but again, we'll follow this case a little bit closer.
00:10:22.820 There's a game coming up called, right?
00:10:25.660 And Seattle is going up against New England Patriots.
00:10:30.180 And it's so funny because we can go through a whole different conversation with New England
00:10:34.800 with Bill Belichick.
00:10:35.900 Maybe we'll do that all the way at the end because I'm sure we all have some opinions
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00:10:42.240 Tom Brady said, if I have to go come back and play with only one coach, I'm not picking
00:10:47.120 anybody else but Bill Belichick.
00:10:48.480 And the guy didn't make it.
00:10:49.620 And three other coaches were first ballot Hall of Famers, but this guy didn't.
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