Valuetainment - September 17, 2025


＂Threats Were Made＂ - Bill Ackman BREAKS SILENCE On Candace Owens Charlie Kirk Hamptons Claims


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Candace Shummers accuses Bill Ackman and Seth Dillon of blackmailing and threatening Charlie Kirk. But Ackman says it all happened in the Hamptons. And Seth Dillon says it didn t happen in the hamptons at all.

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00:00:00.000 Candace Owens comes out with allegations against Bill Ackman and Seth Dillon in an explosive video. 0.99
00:00:09.320 Is this the one, Rob?
00:00:10.380 Yeah, so this is the first part where she talks about Bill Ackman inviting Charlie Kirk to the Hamptons.
00:00:15.000 Go for it, go for it.
00:00:16.000 In the Hamptons, and he had more than one event, but he had essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Ackman.
00:00:30.000 Because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no.
00:00:37.440 This is not the route that you should be going on.
00:00:40.460 And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, his quote-unquote friends.
00:00:45.640 Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made.
00:00:52.360 That is what I am told.
00:00:55.460 And I will tell you that I am very happy for Bill Ackman to dispute this narrative.
00:01:01.560 In fact, he was asked to dispute this narrative.
00:01:04.900 Max Blumenthal went out to him today, and Bill Ackman came back and said,
00:01:10.440 I have receipts I can show you.
00:01:12.340 And he did not provide the receipts.
00:01:15.660 This is not how it went down.
00:01:17.560 I know it went down this way.
00:01:19.120 I am waiting for one of them to go on record and to say that it did not go down this way.
00:01:24.640 It was at this time that Bibi Netanyahu was called and Charlie was invited to Israel.
00:01:30.480 This was an under-duress situation, I would say.
00:01:35.980 Okay.
00:01:36.580 So that is that part.
00:01:37.400 Now, Bill Ackman replies back.
00:01:38.960 Okay.
00:01:39.680 If you go to Bill's tweet, Rob, Bill Ackman, $10 billion guy, he writes a long tweet.
00:01:45.400 I don't know if you – it's going to be tough to read it this way if you can just go to a tweet because it's a long tweet.
00:01:51.300 I'll give you the gist of it, what he says.
00:01:54.140 He says he talked to Charlie.
00:01:56.520 Charlie said, I can get some Charlie Kirk Juniors out, about 100 million followers, influencers.
00:02:01.780 Let's, you know, no problem.
00:02:03.140 Let's have a meeting.
00:02:03.880 So they come down, they have the meeting, and he's just showing all the text messages back and forth.
00:02:08.080 But there's a long message, Rob, that there's there.
00:02:11.160 And then eventually they come to the Hamptons.
00:02:12.940 I'm willing to address any questions, anything that people want to talk about.
00:02:19.180 And then while they're there – I actually want to read this, Rob, if you can find it.
00:02:25.540 It might be one of the longest I've ever – I read the whole thing.
00:02:28.640 No, but Bill always posts long tweets.
00:02:29.980 Yeah, he doesn't listen to Rob.
00:02:30.620 Bill doesn't post – Rob, just go to his account and keep going down, buddy.
00:02:34.680 You were almost there.
00:02:36.340 Just keep going down, and we'll get to – keep going down.
00:02:38.880 This is two days ago, so you've got to keep going.
00:02:40.440 Keep going faster, faster, faster, because you're at 24 hours, 19 hours.
00:02:45.280 So Bill Ackman, $10 billion response.
00:02:50.220 There it is.
00:02:50.800 Right there.
00:02:51.280 Okay, thank you.
00:02:52.340 This afternoon, Candace Shummers is staging an intervention with Charlie Kirk. 0.58
00:02:55.200 Threats were made with respect to his opposing stance on Israel at an event I hosted at Hamptons.
00:03:00.700 Candace also intimidated that I blackmailed – intimated that I blackmailed Charlie. 0.99
00:03:06.160 On the show, Candace said that she'll be very happy for me to dispute this narrative.
00:03:09.700 While it pains me to drive more traffic to her program, I'm responding here to clear my name.
00:03:15.060 It saddens me that we're here.
00:03:16.600 For the record, at no time have I ever threatened Charlie Kirk, Turning Point US, or anyone associated with him.
00:03:21.840 I've never blackmailed anyone, let alone Charlie Kirk.
00:03:24.100 I've never offered Charlie or Turning Point any money in an attempt to influence Charlie's opinion on anything.
00:03:28.840 In fact, my interactions with Charlie have been extremely cordial, all but limited, regretfully so, as I was very impressed by him and his work.
00:03:37.820 And I will sadly never see him again.
00:03:39.480 In an effort to clear the record, I share the following.
00:03:41.620 I've followed Charlie Kirk on X for some time and greatly admired him.
00:03:44.940 While I didn't agree with him on every issue, I had enormous respect for his intelligence, knowledge, clips.
00:03:49.720 I connected with Charlie when he DM'd me in late May of this year and expressed interest in meeting me.
00:03:54.420 In light of our prospective schedules, we were unable to find a time to meet in person,
00:03:58.480 so we scheduled a Zoom on June 11th.
00:04:00.900 On the Zoom, he explained to me that conservatives, in particular young conservatives, were getting tired of defending Israel,
00:04:05.860 and this was a very concerning to him.
00:04:07.740 I asked him how I could learn more, and he suggested that it might be useful to convene a group of young conservatives' influencers
00:04:13.260 on a host of topics that could include Israel to a better sense of how conservative community was thinking about Israel.
00:04:19.460 On the Zoom, Charlie said that his open-mic conversations on campus were very effective in addressing issues on the minds of the students,
00:04:27.760 but he was only one person with limited bandwidth.
00:04:30.440 He suggested that recruiting a group of junior Charlie Kirk's, we could open-mic sessions on college campuses.
00:04:35.880 Boom.
00:04:36.000 I expressed interest in learning more, and thereafter scheduled a series of conference calls with Charlie,
00:04:40.940 Turning Point USA staff, and members of the team, in addition to getting a better sense of what were young conservatives going through.
00:04:47.500 Charlie thought doing so might enable him to identify potential candidates who could launch their own campus tours
00:04:53.760 and carry forth his approach to dialogue.
00:04:57.040 We chose the afternoon of August 4th to the afternoon of August 5th were convening.
00:05:01.360 Charlie and members of my team worked to put together an invitation list.
00:05:04.320 I offered to host the sessions in Bridgehampton and cover the cause so that I could attend some of the sessions
00:05:09.260 so I was working from there at the time.
00:05:11.640 Charlie sent out the invitations, and about 35 influencers accepted it.
00:05:15.060 Charlie estimated that the influencers who attended with relatively 100 million followers.
00:05:18.740 Charlie and Turning Point USA put together the agenda for the meeting,
00:05:22.580 and the topics were Economic Future of America, The Cultural Landscape of Dating and Marriage,
00:05:26.360 Conservative Eastern Mamdani, The New Threat to America. 0.95
00:05:29.200 Charlie asked me to moderate economic topics thereafter.
00:05:31.980 I hosted Q&A sessions.
00:05:32.940 The convergence of East and West included a discussion on immigration values,
00:05:38.720 systems, the pro-U.S. approach, and foreign policy in Israel.
00:05:41.120 While I had wanted to attend the convergence panel, I had a board meeting that conflicted this.
00:05:45.900 Those that attended the session said that the Israel discussion was similar to other sessions
00:05:50.720 that they attended, explaining various points.
00:05:54.040 Some participants were critical of Israel, and some were supportive.
00:05:57.080 The sessions were punctuated by meals.
00:05:58.700 I attended one group lunch and a group dinner where I sat with Charlie and others.
00:06:03.020 I found the sessions I attended interesting.
00:06:04.560 I really enjoyed the meeting.
00:06:05.780 It gave me considerable perspective on what is on my mind of young Americans,
00:06:09.060 what is on the mind of young Americans.
00:06:10.560 At the end of the event, I sat with Charlie and members of my team,
00:06:12.740 and we discussed the events convening.
00:06:14.000 Charlie believed that he had identified a number of potential Turning Point ambassadors
00:06:17.240 who could launch open mic events on campus.
00:06:20.340 We corresponded by a text thereafter over a few weeks on a range of topics,
00:06:22.980 but not including Israel.
00:06:24.020 And the next thing I knew, he was gone.
00:06:25.580 In short, this was not an intervention to blackmail Charlie Kirk into adopting certain views on Israel.
00:06:31.720 It was nothing of the sort.
00:06:35.140 Eric, your thoughts on this.
00:06:36.320 Look, Ackman, first person.
00:06:40.540 Candace, I heard from someone.
00:06:42.760 I'm going to go with Ackman.
00:06:43.680 It seems like a very detailed description of what happened, and a very likely description.
00:06:48.100 I mean, what Ackman pointed out there was why Charlie was so important.
00:06:54.200 A billionaire, a multibillionaire who has an issue with growing anti-Semitism on college campuses,
00:06:59.600 he knew where to go.
00:07:00.520 You go to Turning Point, because they have the access to the young minds on campuses,
00:07:04.660 not what they're getting from the liberal professors.
00:07:07.280 So Ackman goes to Charlie.
00:07:08.860 Ackman saw the benefit, the value in Turning Point and Charlie's reach.
00:07:14.040 Everything that Ackman points out sounds like something that a wealthy person with an agenda
00:07:19.460 would do when trying to access Charlie's reach.
00:07:23.120 Let's have a meeting.
00:07:23.900 Let's talk about how we do this.
00:07:25.620 Charlie says, well, maybe not me, but maybe we can get a handful of influencers with a big following,
00:07:29.920 and we can do it that way, thereby not necessarily joining forces, TPUSA, politically with Ackman,
00:07:37.340 but doing it as an assist, so to speak, a mailing or whatever.
00:07:41.680 It kind of puts a little bit of a prophylactic barrier between Charlie Kirk and TPUSA
00:07:47.000 and whatever Ackman is choosing to do.
00:07:49.400 But Charlie, to his credit, listened and heard what Ackman was pushing.
00:07:55.080 I don't hear anything that's a threat.
00:07:57.860 I've never heard of Ackman threatening Charlie Kirk before Candace came up with it,
00:08:01.560 so I'm not really sure where it came from.
00:08:03.160 We should probably hear the actual first-person response.
00:08:07.180 Vinny, thoughts?
00:08:10.060 Towards the end of Charlie's career, his life, God rest his soul,
00:08:14.640 was he getting a little bit more critical on BB and the actions of what he was doing?
00:08:20.320 Yes.
00:08:20.680 Was he on Megyn Kelly and had a long—he was pissed because he's like,
00:08:25.620 people are calling me anti-Semite.
00:08:27.260 I'm one of the biggest Israel support.
00:08:28.980 He was not happy.
00:08:30.720 Yes.
00:08:31.220 Did this meeting happen in the Hamptons with Charlie and the—yes.
00:08:35.320 But what the people on our side that are saying Israel was behind it, please,
00:08:41.320 and you guys all know I'm critical as hell of some of the actions that Israel does, 0.91
00:08:45.720 break it down to me what happened.
00:08:47.200 So are they saying that Israel—this is where it gets freaking insane.
00:08:52.500 Israel went to Tyler and had him shoot and kill Charlie.
00:08:59.400 Have the boyfriend, like, give me the scenario where Israel did it. 0.98
00:09:04.700 Give me your opinion.
00:09:07.040 Lay it all out.
00:09:08.500 Just give me some facts.
00:09:09.680 Because now it's getting to the point where it's like, Israel. 0.95
00:09:13.900 It's like you're losing the argument in that sense.
00:09:16.900 Because give it to me.
00:09:17.860 Because can we just be honest?
00:09:19.500 The people that are saying that Israel pissed off, BB was mad and all that stuff.
00:09:23.640 So how do they do it?
00:09:25.100 Explain to me.
00:09:25.980 How did they convince a 22-year-old white boy who's dating a freaking furry to go on a roof and shoot this guy what?
00:09:33.960 Because they're like, yeah, we'll take care of your family.
00:09:36.040 Give me an explanation.
00:09:37.620 Does anybody have—I'm being that serious.
00:09:40.020 I don't know how—what'd you do, brainwash him to go, yeah, I'll go kill this guy.
00:09:45.100 I'm completely lost in that sense.
00:09:47.760 Because if that's what you're saying, if you're saying, hey, he was really pissed at the end.
00:09:52.020 BB and them were mad, so they had him killed.
00:09:54.260 Give me the—show me the plan.
00:09:56.080 Lay it out.
00:09:56.580 Because I'm all ears.
00:09:57.560 Well, here's what Dave Smith had to say.
00:09:59.560 I think, Adam, you send this clip in the crew.
00:10:01.500 Probably if you want to play this clip on what Dave had to say.
00:10:03.400 But I see him out there, and I've seen a bunch of other people doing this.
00:10:07.500 But it's just like, if you want to go look through it, I mean, it's just crazy.
00:10:10.220 But he had this post about how Israel did this.
00:10:14.580 Israel just murdered Charlie Kirk.
00:10:16.240 He's talking about Ian Carroll, I believe.
00:10:17.040 And you know me, I don't know.
00:10:18.940 Co-hosts Candace's show sometimes.
00:10:21.220 Biggest fan of Israel.
00:10:22.740 But I literally just replied, and I went, what evidence do we have that Israel was involved in this?
00:10:27.460 Exactly.
00:10:28.020 Show it to me.
00:10:29.420 And, I mean, man, if you want to be disturbed, like, go look through the replies to that.
00:10:34.700 It is unbelievable how people put together theory.
00:10:37.320 You know, they're like, what evidence do we have?
00:10:38.880 By the way, the answer is none.
00:10:40.180 We have absolutely no evidence.
00:10:41.340 There is absolutely no reason to even suspect that is the case, let alone to determine that it's a fact.
00:10:48.780 And all the things people are posing, it's just like, guys, Jesus Christ, man, I'm sorry.
00:10:53.660 I just don't go for sloppy, kooky theories.
00:10:56.440 Like, if you got some evidence, bring it to me, and I'll be the first one to look into it.
00:11:01.440 But then people going, like, he was waking up to Israel.
00:11:05.820 Like, dude, he said release the Epstein files.
00:11:08.520 And he, you know, he once on an interview said, like, you know, the pro-Israel people are getting a little too crazy when they're accusing even me of being anti-Israel.
00:11:17.400 But that's about it.
00:11:18.460 And, like, you know, to his credit, he defended, like, having me at the thing and having Tucker and Megan there and stuff.
00:11:24.420 But, like, you've just got no real theory here.
00:11:27.280 And it just makes no sense at all.
00:11:29.640 Like, they telling me the government of Israel took out their number one guy who still had influence amongst young people.
00:11:37.600 I just, I don't know.
00:11:39.060 I don't know.
00:11:40.200 It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
00:11:42.320 And, by the way, while this is going on, Dave Smith sounds very reasonable on what he's saying, right?
00:11:48.840 Again, reason versus emotion.
00:11:51.740 But if you look at this one, this is AF Post.
00:11:55.820 They said, according to multiple reports, Israel Prime Minister offered the Charlie Kirk turning point USA $150 million in cash to adopt an even more pro-Israel stance.
00:12:04.840 Kirk refused the money.
00:12:05.680 If you go a little bit lower, look at the amount of views this thing got.
00:12:07.980 7.2 million views, 160,000 likes.
00:12:09.920 And then there's another post, Rob, if you can pull up the other one that says, right below it, that says,
00:12:17.600 the journalist behind the report accusing Bibi of offering $150 million is Max Blumenthal,
00:12:24.800 a man who used to work for the Iran-backed newspaper Al-Akbar in Beirut and contributed to Al Jazeera.
00:12:31.000 Why is it every time we track down a lie, we end up finding people connected to Qatar or Iran behind it?
00:12:36.780 So this is why you're hearing both sides of the story.
00:12:40.780 Adam, what do you want to say about the story?
00:12:42.240 Well, look, when Dave Smith is calling you out for being anti-Israel, you probably have a problem, Candace, Ian Carroll,
00:12:48.500 because Dave, who we've known for a while, has made his name over the last year, criticizing Israel.
00:12:55.260 In fact, at Turning Point USA, when Charlie was hosting the debate between Dave Smith and the other gentleman,
00:13:03.140 he asked him point blank, is Israel an ally of the United States?
00:13:06.060 Dave Smith said no.
00:13:07.200 So that's where Dave Smith is, who happens to be Jewish.
00:13:10.100 But here's a couple different thoughts here.
00:13:12.760 Candace is a shock jock, and she is such a good one, man. 0.82
00:13:16.080 She is such a good one.
00:13:17.120 So were Candace and Charlie friends?
00:13:22.020 Yeah, they were.
00:13:23.960 I challenge anybody, please help me out here.
00:13:26.680 Show me one picture, one podcast, one evidence that they've even been in the same room in the last two years.
00:13:33.820 The last thing I found, the last time they did anything, was on October 3rd, 2023.
00:13:40.000 Ironically, a couple days before October 7th.
00:13:42.980 Show me any evidence that they've been in touch, they've been in dialogue, they've done anything together.
00:13:49.340 I would love to see it.
00:13:50.840 So they were friends.
00:13:53.040 I don't think they are friends.
00:13:54.580 I think that Candace is capitalizing on Charlie's death.
00:13:57.860 I think she feels horrible.
00:13:59.100 She doesn't feel good about this.
00:14:00.720 But Candace is an opportunist. 1.00
00:14:02.660 And if we know anything about Candace, over the last couple years, has she been biased, non-biased towards Israel?
00:14:10.460 In my mind, she's been blind with rage.
00:14:13.360 So, you know, there's people that you cut out of your life.
00:14:16.700 Yeah, we're not.
00:14:17.700 Like, how many people that you used to drink with, you're like, Dad, I can't hang out with you anymore.
00:14:21.780 The majority of the people.
00:14:22.960 Because that's all we had in common was drinking.
00:14:25.220 But you still had friends.
00:14:26.200 Of course, I still have friends.
00:14:27.440 You kept at them, though.
00:14:28.520 I did.
00:14:29.300 Thank you.
00:14:29.960 But you kept.
00:14:30.800 Thank you for that, Pat.
00:14:31.900 You still love them.
00:14:34.780 You still care about them.
00:14:35.520 1,000%.
00:14:36.080 I care for them.
00:14:36.540 You just don't hang out with them at all.
00:14:37.180 We just don't have nothing in common right now.
00:14:38.660 Bingo.
00:14:39.100 I'm a different person.
00:14:39.720 That's Candace and Charlie.
00:14:40.840 That was early, though.
00:14:42.080 They have.
00:14:42.740 Right.
00:14:42.940 So they were.
00:14:43.660 They built.
00:14:44.280 They started.
00:14:45.120 Ten years ago.
00:14:46.080 Five years ago.
00:14:46.980 They were a team.
00:14:47.780 They were a force.
00:14:48.680 Show me evidence that they're still friends.
00:14:50.300 Hold on, Eric.
00:14:50.840 Hold on.
00:14:51.200 If you want evidence, actual receipts, actual, not opinions, not I feel, actual receipts.
00:15:00.780 Well, Bill Ackman brought receipts.
00:15:03.920 But what about Andrew Colvitt?
00:15:06.760 Andrew Colvitt, who we all know, is the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:15:11.240 Look at his post on X.
00:15:14.020 To sum that up, he basically said, yeah, Candace is lying. 0.96
00:15:16.340 He basically said, Bill Ackman.
00:15:19.400 When did he say that?
00:15:20.280 Look at his tweets right now.
00:15:22.620 They said, Bill and Charlie were cordial.
00:15:25.840 They're friendly.
00:15:26.360 There was no conflict.
00:15:27.520 We were in the room the entire time.
00:15:28.880 Did he say that?
00:15:29.720 Yeah.
00:15:30.280 Straight up.
00:15:31.200 Fact-checked me on this.
00:15:32.860 So at some point, we're going to have to acknowledge something about Candace.
00:15:36.300 There we go.
00:15:36.920 Here we go.
00:15:37.680 Can you read this?
00:15:39.280 I've been asked by Bill Ackman even more times.
00:15:41.440 I'm traveling to Charlie Kirk to find out what's the true book.
00:15:43.980 His team was with him 100% of the time when he wasn't in hotel room.
00:15:48.120 Here's what they told me.
00:15:49.320 Bill never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on BB, never gave him a list of Charlie's
00:15:53.320 offenses against Israel.
00:15:54.960 There was concern raised about having Tucker at SAS.
00:15:59.360 What is that?
00:15:59.980 SAS?
00:16:00.720 Student Action Summit.
00:16:02.200 And Charlie's reply was, honestly, people telling me not to have Tucker makes me want
00:16:06.460 to have Tucker, and I'm going to lock him in for AmFest 2.
00:16:09.400 Charlie personally told me he had a very cordial relationship with Bill, and the event was
00:16:13.720 productive.
00:16:14.280 Those are the facts.
00:16:15.060 Okay.
00:16:15.420 So that's subtly saying, Candace, you have no idea what you're talking about.
00:16:18.700 Can we agree upon that?
00:16:20.380 So at what point are we going to say, well, maybe Candace just is completely unbiased here. 0.90
00:16:28.560 So there's justified criticism of Israel?
00:16:30.780 Sure.
00:16:31.160 Sure.
00:16:31.860 There's unbiased or unbiased?
00:16:33.720 Biased.
00:16:34.280 You meant to say biased.
00:16:35.560 You're saying she's biased towards Israel or against Israel.
00:16:38.740 Oh, okay.
00:16:39.240 Is that fair to say?
00:16:40.020 Then you're being biased.
00:16:41.120 Yes.
00:16:41.700 Okay.
00:16:42.020 So there's justified criticism.
00:16:44.480 There's unjustified criticism.
00:16:47.000 There's lies and deception.
00:16:48.780 And then there's just outright hate.
00:16:50.900 I would ask you, what category is Candace in regarding Israel?
00:16:55.020 I don't know if she outright hates Israel, outright hates Jews.
00:16:58.960 I don't know.
00:16:59.700 I'm not there.
00:17:01.120 But is her criticism completely justified?
00:17:03.900 Is it completely unbiased?
00:17:05.220 Or is she using lies and deception here?
00:17:07.800 Last point here.
00:17:08.860 You offered Tucker $100 million to join Valuetainment.
00:17:12.700 True or false?
00:17:13.520 Yes.
00:17:13.780 Did you post it on Twitter at the time?
00:17:16.600 We posted.
00:17:17.260 We went to his place.
00:17:18.280 We sent the guy to his place to make the offer on paper.
00:17:20.220 So there was a formal offer and a formal contract.
00:17:22.960 Documented.
00:17:23.380 If someone's going to offer Charlie Kirk $150 million, don't you think there's going to be a public statement, a contract, a tweet?
00:17:33.080 Is it just, yo, buddy, you want $150 million?
00:17:35.840 Come on our team.
00:17:36.860 To me, it's nonsensical unless you show receipts.
00:17:40.840 Candace, to her credit, showed a lot of receipts with Macron's wife's penis, whatever that is.
00:17:48.620 She did an entire documentary.
00:17:50.360 In my opinion, she took a year out of her life, and I'm not joking, to find his penis. 0.70
00:17:55.500 I don't know where that is right now.
00:17:57.420 But at what point is Candace going to say, you know what?
00:18:00.180 I actually don't have any receipts whatsoever.
00:18:02.720 I'm just stoking the flame and making a name for myself with my former friend's death.
00:18:09.260 Because I see zero evidence that they're even still friends.
00:18:12.860 And now you have the executive producer of Charlie Kirk's podcast, Andrew Colbert,
00:18:17.580 basically saying, yeah, Candace is not telling the truth, point blank.
00:18:21.760 Eric, you were going to say something.
00:18:22.980 Well, I was just going to say, I was going to agree with you, Adam, that early on, 2011, 2012, 2013,
00:18:29.060 they were tight.
00:18:29.720 They grew TPUSA like crazy.
00:18:32.020 I was shocked to see her leave until I, being part of TPUSA, her theories got a little,
00:18:38.280 just a little bit too down the rabbit holes.
00:18:40.360 It was just, it was too extreme for their taste.
00:18:43.400 And Charlie, to his credit, kept a friend, a cordial friendship for her, with her for years.
00:18:48.300 But it hasn't been a communication pipeline back and forth between the two for many years.
00:18:54.040 That's why I don't know why we had, we give Candace Owens' assessment anyway at all.
00:19:00.120 Because, because, because we're reasonable.
00:19:02.020 There's a lot of people, I think, but she did a tweet, there's 10 million people, 10 million views, who trust Candace.
00:19:08.780 At what point are we going to say, Candace gives opinions? 0.82
00:19:12.760 Is the FBI?
00:19:14.020 Is the CIA?
00:19:15.020 Is anyone in the intelligence saying, we have credible evidence to find that Israel is at play here?
00:19:20.600 Zero.
00:19:21.480 This is Candace spouting on the internet. 0.98
00:19:23.520 And at one point are people going to be like, we just can't trust what she's saying.
00:19:28.020 And last thing about Candace, and I, look, every time I've hung out with Candace, I've enjoyed my time with Candace.
00:19:34.140 I think she's cool.
00:19:35.240 I think she's fun.
00:19:36.500 I think she's gone down a deep, dark rabbit hole the last couple of years.
00:19:40.380 That's my opinion.
00:19:41.540 Her entire career, you can almost assess that it's Jews or very pro-Israel people that have put her on.
00:19:50.640 And she slapped them all in the face. 0.99
00:19:52.900 Dennis Prager, Dave Rubin, Charlie Kirk, to an extent, Ben Shapiro on Daily Wire.
00:19:58.960 They all gave her a platform.
00:20:00.740 And then she just spits in all their face. 1.00
00:20:02.880 And now none of them want anything to do with them.
00:20:04.620 It's very reminiscent, in a weird way, of the U.S.-China relation.
00:20:09.220 Who opened up China's role in the world, in the World Trade Organization?
00:20:14.920 Wasn't it Richard Nixon?
00:20:15.740 Didn't Bill Clinton open up a trade organization with China, and now China is our biggest competitor?
00:20:24.160 And they basically spew anti-American rhetoric and try to tear down American hegemony around the world?
00:20:31.500 At some point, you would say this.
00:20:32.880 We've said this in the podcast.
00:20:34.120 Have a little respect for what America's done for you.
00:20:37.020 But now China has no respect for America.
00:20:39.080 They want to tear down America. 0.65
00:20:40.500 That is very symbolic of what Candace is doing to Israel and the Jewish community.
00:20:45.120 I mean, I'm happy that you said it.
00:20:47.960 And I think we said this once before.
00:20:49.560 She doesn't hate Jewish people.
00:20:52.380 She clearly doesn't like Bibi Netanyahu and what Israel does government-wise.
00:20:56.580 I wouldn't ever put a blanket over it.
00:20:58.900 But, you know, you guys know me.
00:21:01.040 But in this situation, we have the guy.
00:21:03.920 We have the suspect.
00:21:05.200 We have his boyfriend.
00:21:06.420 We have text messages.
00:21:08.080 We have a video jumping off the roof.
00:21:10.980 There's evidence.
00:21:12.060 There's DNA.
00:21:12.620 There's everything.
00:21:13.420 So, is the FBI lying to us?
00:21:16.040 Like, there has to be a line.
00:21:18.560 And I thank you for the podcast because I was, my brain was going here.
00:21:23.500 But you have to be able to come here and go, okay, this is happening here.
00:21:27.400 This is how my feelings are right here.
00:21:29.300 They have the guy.
00:21:30.600 So, unless people are saying, because let's strip it all down.
00:21:33.720 If Israel's behind it, how did they do it? 0.99
00:21:36.700 Show me.
00:21:37.700 Please.
00:21:38.260 Give me the proof and I'll go, oh, my God.
00:21:40.160 You don't, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, you're being way too logical.
00:21:43.460 No, no.
00:21:43.980 You don't need proof.
00:21:45.000 No, I have to have proof.
00:21:45.800 Just speculate on the internet.
00:21:46.900 No, no, no.
00:21:47.380 And throw out a bomb.
00:21:48.200 No, no.
00:21:48.480 Like, for instance, the $150 million, I want to see.
00:21:50.960 Show me.
00:21:51.500 But the point is, there's none.
00:21:53.680 I don't, well, that's why, that's why I have a hard time.
00:21:56.580 That's why I have a hard time.
00:21:57.280 At some point, her credibility, I mean, is going to go down the tubes because she needs to bring receipts. 0.92
00:22:02.700 Bill Ackman brought receipts.
00:22:04.000 How long was that tweet?
00:22:05.820 It's still going.
00:22:06.720 I think we're still reading it.
00:22:08.220 Andrew Colbert was there in the room.
00:22:10.940 You're on the board of Turning Point?
00:22:12.520 Yeah.
00:22:12.980 Okay.
00:22:13.380 When's the last time you saw Candace Owens? 1.00
00:22:16.680 In person?
00:22:17.820 Yeah.
00:22:18.880 2015, 2016.
00:22:20.480 Oh, wow.
00:22:20.580 Okay.
00:22:21.100 When's the last time she was at a Turning Point event?
00:22:23.280 Not in many years.
00:22:24.860 Okay.
00:22:25.540 So let's start.
00:22:26.340 Without even being biased.
00:22:27.680 Is Candace even involved in Shirley Kirk's life? 1.00
00:22:31.060 No question, proof that Candace Owens is nothing, has nothing to do. 1.00
00:22:37.480 She would be in a perfect world if they didn't have this, what I already know, was a very quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him.
00:22:47.780 She would be the logical heir to the TPUSA throne.
00:22:52.260 But she's not.
00:22:52.840 And now she's not even invited.
00:22:54.340 Correct.
00:22:54.620 So this is, their divide is.
00:22:56.880 Wait a minute, not invited meaning.
00:22:58.340 She's not even there.
00:22:59.560 Yeah, she's not there.
00:23:00.480 She's not one of the names.
00:23:01.580 Wait, you don't think she'll be at the funeral?
00:23:03.380 No, no, no.
00:23:03.880 That's not the funeral.
00:23:05.040 The heir to the TPUSA throne.
00:23:06.560 She doesn't speak at the events anymore.
00:23:08.060 I mean, Erica.
00:23:09.140 That's a reason for that.
00:23:10.620 I mean.
00:23:11.220 What is Erica Kirk's relationship with Candace at this point?
00:23:14.280 Is there a relationship?
00:23:15.220 I don't think so.
00:23:16.200 Why do you think, why do you not think so?
00:23:17.860 Because I live in this world.
00:23:20.700 I live in this.
00:23:21.580 You know this world, tell us.
00:23:22.540 I don't see them together.
00:23:24.400 I don't think, I think Candace has created a lane for herself that's, it's her own lane. 1.00
00:23:30.040 She wants to go after McCrone's husband or wife or whatever you want to call him. 0.98
00:23:33.580 She wants, I just, I agree that I think it's cheap that she is sparking this up like she
00:23:39.060 knows something between, you know, something happened between Ackman and Charlie.
00:23:42.860 For what reason?
00:23:43.580 For what reason?
00:23:44.200 Here's what I would say.
00:23:44.360 To me, to me, to me, to me, I think when I, when I look at, I look at talent, I look
00:23:52.740 at reason, then I look at if it's improving the situation in America or making it worse.
00:24:00.120 Talent.
00:24:01.380 You have dinner with Candace, you're with her, capable, great communicator.
00:24:06.860 You put the camera on, she shines.
00:24:09.180 Camera's on, she shines very well.
00:24:10.940 And we've had her on with us at the Derby.
00:24:13.500 We've spent time with her.
00:24:14.580 She's been to our house many times, multiple times.
00:24:16.800 We've had dinner, super capable person that we're, we've had these conversations together
00:24:21.280 with, spent time with her husband, smart guy, good guy, that very good story together.
00:24:26.360 You go to the other side on positions taking, okay?
00:24:31.720 When you take the positions that you've taken on what you're saying, all right, um, is it
00:24:38.280 for business purposes?
00:24:39.840 It's obviously working.
00:24:41.520 Our live stream was massive yesterday, bigger than anybody else's that took place.
00:24:46.720 We had a live stream that we did on election night.
00:24:49.220 We hit 282, 283.
00:24:51.680 I don't know what the number was.
00:24:53.440 Google told us it was the biggest in, no, no, concurrent.
00:24:58.000 She hit 266 yesterday by herself.
00:25:02.660 Listen, the numbers are the numbers, but it doesn't mean it's the right message.
00:25:09.160 Hit them up.
00:25:10.460 A rap song blew up.
00:25:12.480 Does it mean it's a good song for everybody who listened to it?
00:25:17.080 I, I, I'm, I'm trying to really see if you, if you want to get eyeballs, go write a song
00:25:22.280 called F the police.
00:25:23.400 Oh my God, look at the song.
00:25:27.020 Look how great it did.
00:25:28.280 Okay.
00:25:28.840 Yeah.
00:25:29.580 Are you solving for eyeballs?
00:25:32.100 Are you solving to be a synergist to bring America to get out of time like this?
00:25:36.160 I don't know.
00:25:37.600 And by the way, I'd love to see the profile of people that are watching all of it.
00:25:42.400 I don't know.
00:25:43.540 I don't know what's going on.
00:25:45.480 I do know she was, you know, she has a, her, you don't need to read between the lines
00:25:51.180 to see how many times she takes shots at Ben Shapiro.
00:25:53.080 I get it.
00:25:53.780 I see it.
00:25:54.380 Okay.
00:25:54.620 You guys had a following out that, uh, where you were at.
00:25:57.900 And then it brings me to the last thing, which is by far the most important thing.
00:26:01.460 You know what the most important thing to me is?
00:26:03.360 It's the final one.
00:26:04.600 How does Erica feel about it? 0.83
00:26:06.900 I don't know.
00:26:08.300 By the way, if Candace and Erica are speaking every day and she's saying, Oh, thank you so
00:26:14.200 much, Candace for doing it.
00:26:15.120 Please keep talking about it.
00:26:16.460 Then awesome.
00:26:17.480 I'm with it.
00:26:18.400 Keep doing it.
00:26:18.960 But if Erica is sitting there saying, dude, can you just stop for one week and make this 0.96
00:26:26.780 about my husband's funeral that's coming up this Sunday?
00:26:30.620 Just take a one week break.
00:26:32.220 If Erica is supportive of everything Candace is doing, guess what?
00:26:39.520 Awesome.
00:26:40.460 Mm-hmm.
00:26:41.400 Respect.
00:26:42.000 And I don't know that.
00:26:43.140 Maybe Erica and Candace are best of friends.
00:26:45.380 By the way, full, uh, uh, uh, uh, what's the word?
00:26:49.300 Full disclosure.
00:26:50.240 Full disclosure.
00:26:50.700 I've never had a text phone call with Erica before.
00:26:55.960 Only time I've said hi to Erica is when Charlie was there and we've never spoken.
00:27:00.280 So I've never had a conversation with her.
00:27:02.320 She's always been very respectful, very sweet.
00:27:05.400 And obviously her number one priority is God and her husband every single time.
00:27:09.780 So if Candace and Erica are speaking and Candace is saying, Erica is saying, Candace, thank
00:27:15.140 you so much for defending my husband.
00:27:16.840 Thank you so much for doing this.
00:27:18.420 You're so amazing.
00:27:19.720 Candace, double down. 1.00
00:27:22.640 But I, I don't know if, if, if, if this was me and you're jumping on the numbers and
00:27:29.580 all this stuff while this is taking place.
00:27:31.140 And my wife is like, Vinny, can you not make this about you?
00:27:34.940 Mm-hmm.
00:27:35.940 Adam, can you like stop?
00:27:37.600 Can I have this moment with my husband?
00:27:41.500 Can we not already start with all this stuff?
00:27:44.040 Can we?
00:27:44.480 Can we just like pump the brakes a little bit?
00:27:46.940 This is too much.
00:27:47.820 You're not making my life any better right now.
00:27:50.720 I'm trying to put an event together with 65,000 people in a place and everybody who's
00:27:56.080 coming in, their biggest fear is what?
00:27:58.380 How is this place protected?
00:28:00.340 How?
00:28:01.520 Trump's going to be there.
00:28:02.420 J.D. Vance is going to be there.
00:28:04.440 Junior's going to be speaking.
00:28:05.500 Tucker's going to be speaking.
00:28:06.480 Miller's going to be speaking.
00:28:07.760 Hexat's going to be speaking.
00:28:09.220 RFK's going to be speaking.
00:28:10.220 Tulsi's going to be speaking.
00:28:11.480 His wife's going to be speaking.
00:28:14.380 She's trying to overcome that while trying to continue getting the organization going 0.98
00:28:18.380 and all the rumors.
00:28:19.520 Who's going to run it?
00:28:20.100 Who's going to replace Charlie?
00:28:20.880 Who's going to do this?
00:28:21.660 Do you know how much pressure is on her and her team?
00:28:25.180 So, to me, take all the talent and the relationship out.
00:28:32.740 What it comes down to is, Candice, if this is improving, the current emotional state Eric is at, keep at it.
00:28:44.220 If it's not, take a few days off and start next Tuesday or Monday.
00:28:52.160 Just let it be about Charlie.
00:28:56.860 Let's not put it on anybody else right now that they're increasing the temperature.
00:29:01.900 And I understand, you know, the one thing with Candice.
00:29:04.500 Candice is going to do what Candice is going to do. 0.92
00:29:05.800 You know, she's not one that's going to be, you know, it's Candice. 0.98
00:29:12.140 Candice is going to do what Candice is going to do. 0.92
00:29:13.780 And that's the double-edged sword.
00:29:16.000 But that is the way I process this issue here.
00:29:19.340 You know, I process it purely from the lens of Erica and the family.
00:29:23.380 Simple.
00:29:24.040 That's how I process this.
00:29:25.280 Erica, I think you wanted to say something.
00:29:26.360 Well, a couple of thoughts in there.
00:29:28.740 You were earlier talking about let's give it a rest.
00:29:33.260 Let's not capitalize on it.
00:29:34.700 You have this mug here that says, words, talk, numbers, scream.
00:29:38.360 Her numbers are screaming.
00:29:39.680 It's probably overruling her better judgment to wait a little while.
00:29:44.540 There's a great movie, a Denzel Washington movie, Spike Lee movie out right now.
00:29:49.100 It's on streaming on, I think, Apple TV.
00:29:52.000 It's called Highest to Lowest.
00:29:53.980 And one of the subplots is A$AP Rocky is a rapper, a young rapper.
00:29:58.420 And he gets caught doing some really bad stuff.
00:30:01.060 And the final scene is Denzel Washington who finally gets him to, he catches him doing
00:30:06.540 bad stuff.
00:30:08.100 And his point was this rapper is like, I'm going to let you, Denzel Washington, sign me.
00:30:13.440 Denzel Washington is a music executive.
00:30:14.880 Let you sign me.
00:30:16.140 And Denzel Washington, he's in jail.
00:30:18.100 He's like, why am I going to do this?
00:30:19.920 You're going to be huge because you're going to sign the biggest rapper in the history.
00:30:23.380 Yeah, but you're going to be gone for 25 years.
00:30:25.580 Yeah, but you know how big I'm going to be from prison?
00:30:27.900 And that's the mentality.
00:30:29.500 The mentality right now is let's get clicks.
00:30:31.480 Let's get followers.
00:30:32.240 Let's get, you know, social media, digital footprints, bigger reach.
00:30:37.000 I don't matter.
00:30:38.040 And it's kind of a metaphor for what's going on with people.
00:30:40.920 I will also note that you said this, Trump's going to talk, J.D., et cetera, Jr.
00:30:46.600 There's another speaker here.
00:30:47.740 And this may be a little controversial, but Suzanne Scott is one of the speakers.
00:30:51.220 She's listed on that list.
00:30:52.600 Sergio Gore and then Suzanne.
00:30:53.600 That's Fox News, yeah.
00:30:54.400 She runs Fox News.
00:30:55.900 Charlie was banned from Fox News for a long time.
00:30:58.720 He was not allowed on that network for several years.
00:31:02.260 Now.
00:31:02.500 Why is that?
00:31:03.180 And they felt he was too extreme.
00:31:06.500 They just, if you look.
00:31:07.880 They felt that Charlie was.
00:31:09.800 Well, that is the common wisdom.
00:31:12.160 I spent 11 years at Fox and I will tell you early on when Trump was first elected in 2016,
00:31:17.680 Charlie Kirk was one of the young guys who helped Trump the first time.
00:31:20.920 He started to grow and then he was not on Fox for probably five to six years.
00:31:27.480 And people were just, the speculation was, Murdoch's aren't very, never have been very pro-MAGA.
00:31:33.900 They just haven't.
00:31:34.960 But, so it's almost a little hypocritical that Suzanne's going to be one of the people speaking
00:31:39.820 because they kept him off Fox for many years up until recently when they brought him back on.
00:31:44.460 I do notice Charlie had a big ad campaign on Fox.
00:31:47.900 You see him on some of the breaks that may still be running.
00:31:50.620 So he started to spend a lot of money at Fox and then they brought him in to fill in on one of the weekend shows.
00:31:57.680 Sunday, yeah, that's right.
00:31:58.760 Where the little girl comes running to him after the heartbreak.
00:32:01.420 So they've made amends.
00:32:02.520 But they made amends.
00:32:03.220 But it was recent, Adam.
00:32:04.060 It was within the last six months.
00:32:05.840 Look back before that.
00:32:06.980 It was years where he didn't appear on Fox.
00:32:09.040 Not Hannity.
00:32:09.900 Not Laura Ingraham.
00:32:11.540 Nowhere.
00:32:12.500 I just find out all of a sudden he's welcoming.
00:32:14.400 And, you know, wall-to-wall coverage for the past week on Fox with Charlie is like, you got to do it, I guess.
00:32:20.580 But here's another example of not staying true to what you have been.
00:32:27.780 They didn't even acknowledge that either.
00:32:29.360 Let me affirm what I think Pat was saying is that, Erica, you always say, who's the last person in your ear?
00:32:37.020 Who's the last person you speak to?
00:32:38.680 Well, if you're married, it's usually your wife. 0.99
00:32:40.380 Nobody knows you more than your wife or your spouse, your significant other.
00:32:44.120 That's what I think you're saying with Erica, respectfully.
00:32:47.620 So, yes.
00:32:48.480 What we also know is that we have something that you talk about being a part of the inner circle.
00:32:52.820 So who was Charlie's inner circle?
00:32:54.800 Well, one of them was definitely Andrew, right?
00:32:57.280 He was executive producer.
00:32:58.940 So I think he has, beyond the wife, the next most credibility here.
00:33:03.820 So he just basically said that Candace was lying in so many words.
00:33:07.640 Number two, is Candace speaking?
00:33:09.940 If they were such good friends, why isn't she speaking?
00:33:12.620 I don't know.
00:33:13.220 I don't know if she's going to be there.
00:33:14.440 I don't know.
00:33:16.340 But there's nothing indicating that they're still friends.
00:33:19.940 And I think Pat is absolutely right.
00:33:21.740 By the way, they're doing sort of like this, you know, group effort to host the Charlie Kirk show.
00:33:28.780 Did they pick Candace to host the show yesterday? 1.00
00:33:30.700 No, but they picked the Daily Wire crew.
00:33:33.820 They picked Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh and the gang.
00:33:39.040 Michael Knowles.
00:33:40.180 They, I mean, the proof is right in front of our face.
00:33:45.520 So I don't know.
00:33:46.740 There's right there.
00:33:47.840 They didn't pick Candace. 0.99
00:33:49.260 My opinion, this is my opinion, is that Candace was friends with Charlie, not is friends with Charlie. 0.90
00:33:58.660 And there's clearly, from 2023, a divide.
00:34:04.400 You were part of our crew.
00:34:06.660 You are no longer part of our crew.
00:34:08.800 That's my opinion.
00:34:10.020 Can I show one clip of Candace?
00:34:11.780 This is her words of how I think Candace handles situations.
00:34:17.060 I've never said that Candace is stupid. 1.00
00:34:19.100 I've never said she's crazy.
00:34:20.440 I've always given her credit.
00:34:22.460 But she's, I would not want to mess with this woman. 1.00
00:34:25.780 Do you have that clip about don't you dare?
00:34:27.540 Watch this.
00:34:28.800 This is Candace in a nutshell.
00:34:30.700 Those of you who think that you are going to replace Charlie Kirk, okay?
00:34:36.260 Kings are born.
00:34:37.860 You don't just get to depose and tell us that we're going to follow this individual, okay?
00:34:42.760 I'm one of the masons of Turning Point USA.
00:34:45.140 You put a shill in Charlie Kirk's chair, in Charlie Kirk's company, and you try to tell us to follow that individual, I will be an enemy of you. 0.91
00:35:01.200 I don't, there will, there will be nothing that can stop me, okay?
00:35:05.780 And I want you guys to understand, this is not a threat.
00:35:07.580 This is a promise.
00:35:08.760 There will be nothing that can stop me.
00:35:11.660 I will release every single text message.
00:35:14.460 So to those of you who are trying that, I'm seeing the messages, I am telling you to back off right now.
00:35:22.580 Like right now, don't do it, okay?
00:35:25.640 Don't you think about it.
00:35:27.080 I know exactly who you are.
00:35:29.160 I know exactly who you were that were exerting pressure.
00:35:31.820 Don't you pretend to be noble now and say nice things about Charlie Kirk and think you're going to slide into his chair, okay?
00:35:39.320 Over my dead body, which I'm sure can be arranged.
00:35:44.280 Okay.
00:35:44.920 Well, what do you think she's saying to me?
00:35:46.720 Do you think she's talking to Shapiro?
00:35:47.800 I don't know if she's talking to Nick Fuentes.
00:35:49.940 I don't know if she's talking to Ben Shapiro.
00:35:51.840 I don't know.
00:35:52.360 I mean, if you had to guess who she's talking to.
00:35:53.500 We don't know.
00:35:54.280 I don't think it's Nick Fuentes.
00:35:55.520 I would say Ben Shapiro.
00:35:56.400 Yeah, I would say Ben Shapiro.
00:35:57.500 Okay.
00:35:58.120 But she seems venomous and angry and passionate.
00:36:02.660 When was that?
00:36:03.540 That was two days ago.
00:36:05.060 And so they put Shapiro in the seat yesterday after J.D. Vance the first day.
00:36:08.520 Yeah, but Ben Shapiro, by the way, they just pledged Daily Wire, pledged, I think, a million dollars to Charlie Kirk.
00:36:15.260 How much did Candace give? 1.00
00:36:16.340 How much did Candace give? 1.00
00:36:17.420 No, no, we're agreeing.
00:36:18.220 How much did Candace give? 1.00
00:36:19.120 I know the way Ben Shapiro wants it.
00:36:20.480 He needs it.
00:36:21.320 Ben, he's done well, but he needs the Turning Point USA.
00:36:25.780 He needs the money now.
00:36:26.600 He needs the access.
00:36:28.060 So I see why he did.
00:36:29.140 But, you know, Turning Point, I don't know who she was talking to.
00:36:31.120 She had to be talking to Ben Shapiro.
00:36:32.680 If I had to guess.
00:36:33.660 I don't know.
00:36:33.880 Because I don't think she's talking to TPUSA management, the people who are going to decide who takes them.
00:36:39.000 No, no.
00:36:39.320 She was making threats of people who think they're heir to the throne of Charlie Kirk.
00:36:43.300 Meanwhile, she didn't say she was either.
00:36:44.960 But I would assume that you're.
00:36:46.240 By the way, if she is talking about Ben Shapiro, and I have no clue, my gut was Nick Fuentes because he's trying to take the mantle.
00:36:52.620 No, wait.
00:36:53.160 You think her first.
00:36:53.620 Hold on.
00:36:54.300 He's a little way.
00:36:54.800 Hear me out.
00:36:55.360 He's got zero shot.
00:36:56.340 You think if she had text messages with Ben Shapiro, after everything they've been through, they wouldn't have been released already?
00:37:02.280 You think she's holding back?
00:37:03.900 You think Candace is the type of person the last two years that has held back? 1.00
00:37:08.080 You think she's got a trump card that she's ready to expose Ben Shapiro?
00:37:12.800 She's used all her bullets, so to speak. 1.00
00:37:14.820 But I'm trying to see what you're saying.
00:37:16.020 What's your point here?
00:37:16.880 I'm saying she is angry and venomous right now.
00:37:20.100 And that is not a person that you want to mess with.
00:37:23.140 She's capable, and she's filled with rage. 0.92
00:37:26.360 That's all I'm saying.
00:37:27.540 Do you think on the power versus force chart, I'd love to see where Pat thinks about this.
00:37:32.220 Rob, if you could pull that up.
00:37:33.500 Power versus force.
00:37:34.560 Please show me where you think Candace is operating out of right now. 1.00
00:37:37.420 Vinny, what do you think she's at?
00:37:38.600 Show the chart.
00:37:39.300 On power versus force, what do you think she's at? 1.00
00:37:41.480 Let me see the chart.
00:37:43.180 We just did this at the vault.
00:37:44.660 If I had to where.
00:37:46.980 Go to the third row, level.
00:37:49.400 Right there.
00:37:50.580 Okay.
00:37:51.000 Can you punch in, Rob?
00:37:53.140 She's angry.
00:37:54.220 She's in anger.
00:37:55.120 So she's at 150.
00:37:56.300 Yeah.
00:37:56.920 She's angry, which a lot of people are.
00:37:58.560 So she's below the, what do you call it? 0.98
00:38:01.820 Which is not a bad thing.
00:38:02.780 Guess what?
00:38:03.320 I've fluctuated all over this damn thing.
00:38:05.620 But I think, Adam, because you know what she's talking about for this Ben Shapiro.
00:38:09.560 You think that's not a bad thing?
00:38:11.140 No, I didn't say it's a good or a bad thing.
00:38:12.740 I just said where she's at.
00:38:13.440 You said it's not a bad thing.
00:38:14.460 So you think at a time like this, it's good to be there?
00:38:20.360 I do.
00:38:21.480 Tell me why.
00:38:22.000 I think we need to be there.
00:38:23.220 Tell me why.
00:38:23.720 Because the left will tell you, let's go back to unity.
00:38:26.700 Let's tone things down.
00:38:27.640 Yeah, sure.
00:38:28.060 Because you didn't just have one of your biggest, most influential human beings on your side assassinated in cold blood.
00:38:34.220 It's not time to take the tone down.
00:38:36.920 I'm not suggesting violence.
00:38:40.000 I'm not suggesting violence at all when I'm saying stay pissed off, stay angry.
00:38:43.480 I went, I had a tragic loss in my life.
00:38:45.760 I lost a child in college.
00:38:48.660 You do go through stages of grief, confusion, sadness.
00:38:52.880 For this, I announced it at 11.13, I'm sorry, 4.13 p.m. last Wednesday, Charlie Kirk had died from the gunshot from the assassin.
00:39:01.840 I went immediately to anger.
00:39:03.780 There are people crying on the set.
00:39:05.300 You guys have the clip somewhere.
00:39:07.380 People are starting to cry on the set.
00:39:09.460 And I just went right to, I'm fucking pissed off.
00:39:11.940 This is enough.
00:39:12.860 We're not going to sit down and not take, and I don't mean hurt people.
00:39:16.140 I mean, use your voice.
00:39:17.640 Charlie was killed because he used words.
00:39:19.520 We need to say, I am Charlie Kirk.
00:39:22.160 We're going to use, I'm going to use my voice to let the world know what I believe.
00:39:25.900 And no, I'm not going to tone it down left.
00:39:28.420 It's not time.
00:39:29.300 I'm not ready to pass that stage of grief.
00:39:32.460 Well, Benny, go back to what you were saying.
00:39:34.720 You could show that chart.
00:39:36.000 That's, well, yeah.
00:39:36.780 Oh, so what I'm saying is, like, anger, like, Pat, think about it.
00:39:39.500 If God forbid one of us was taken out, I would go right to anger.
00:39:43.160 I'd be furious right now.
00:39:44.560 And again, Adam, I don't know the relationship.
00:39:46.600 I don't know how close, I mean, they were close back in the day.
00:39:49.180 But right now, you don't know if they texted the day of or days before or any of that.
00:39:53.960 But in regard to what you were saying about what she's talking about, I would assume it
00:39:57.880 would be Ben Shapiro.
00:39:58.760 Because what did Ben Shapiro say a couple days after the assassination?
00:40:01.480 I'm going to pick up the bloody mic and I'm going to keep going.
00:40:04.260 Yeah.
00:40:04.500 So you could.
00:40:05.760 That means on his own show.
00:40:07.400 No, no, no.
00:40:07.880 He's going to go on conference tour.
00:40:08.920 No, I understand what I'm saying.
00:40:11.020 She's saying her thing is nobody's going to come and take it because she knows that they're
00:40:15.280 coming on that set.
00:40:16.420 That's what she's saying.
00:40:17.380 I don't think it's that.
00:40:18.700 But I think, Pat, I think she's angry right now.
00:40:20.680 Adam, where do you think she's at?
00:40:23.780 She's filled with rage.
00:40:25.960 And listen, there's a business model to use people's emotions and anger and monetize that.
00:40:33.460 To me, that's exactly what she's doing.
00:40:35.400 But we talk about power versus force.
00:40:38.160 My question is, OK, the one person has the right to be angry in every emotion.
00:40:42.640 One person.
00:40:43.760 That's his wife. 0.99
00:40:44.920 But what is inner circle acting?
00:40:46.360 Andrew, who we know very well, is being very reasonable right now.
00:40:52.620 And he's hosting shows.
00:40:54.620 He's making plans.
00:40:56.380 He's calling out lies.
00:40:58.640 He's acting with reason and with love for Charlie.
00:41:02.640 Candace is acting with absolute anger and desire for eyeballs and for clout. 1.00
00:41:10.560 So to me, who's closer at this point?
00:41:13.320 Just answer this one question.
00:41:14.600 The executive producer, Andrew, who's with him every day, or Candace, who was friends
00:41:20.420 with him five, ten years ago.
00:41:21.360 It's obviously the executive producer.
00:41:22.300 So that's where I go with this.
00:41:23.880 I think even the better one to go to is not even the executive producer.
00:41:26.800 It's the wife. 1.00
00:41:27.360 Where's the wife at? 1.00
00:41:28.280 Of course.
00:41:28.680 Show me where the wife's at. 1.00
00:41:30.080 The wife? 0.54
00:41:30.820 Yeah, where's the wife at? 1.00
00:41:32.500 To be honest, she's probably all over the map, man.
00:41:34.980 Courage.
00:41:35.960 When she gave the 17, 18-minute speech last night, where was she at?
00:41:38.720 She was angry.
00:41:39.500 No, she was courage.
00:41:40.920 Courage as well.
00:41:41.300 His wife wasn't angry.
00:41:42.300 She was nice.
00:41:42.820 She was poised.
00:41:43.740 She said God was with her, bro.
00:41:45.680 She said that line where she said, the tears of this widow will echo like a battle cry.
00:41:50.440 That's anger.
00:41:51.800 But she also showed immense courage and willingness to speak out on Charlene's behalf.
00:41:58.840 Where do you think she is, Pat?
00:42:00.280 I think it's love.
00:42:01.760 I think it's love.
00:42:02.640 I think it's up there.
00:42:04.460 I saw love, and I saw a mother who is going to, she said an example for a lot of people.
00:42:12.700 You said, well, Anika's experience is more angry than Erica's.
00:42:15.480 That's why she gave Erica the kind of credit that she did.
00:42:19.260 I don't know.
00:42:20.360 Where do you think Candace is? 1.00
00:42:21.580 I think Candace isn't above, I think Candace is on the bottom of it, not at the top of
00:42:27.840 it.
00:42:28.500 I think Candace is at the, you know, if Candace, if Candace wanted to, she says that, and I'm
00:42:37.480 not going to, Kings are not born.
00:42:38.920 So is Candace going to go on the road? 1.00
00:42:41.120 Is she going to do that? 0.99
00:42:43.100 Maybe.
00:42:44.220 All right.
00:42:44.700 I'd be curious to know who shows up if Candace goes on universities. 1.00
00:42:47.860 I would actually like to see her go to universities, obviously with protection. 0.98
00:42:52.920 I want her because she's got a family, she's got kids, she's got a beautiful family. 0.78
00:42:56.620 I'd like to see her go and see who shows up and who defends her. 1.00
00:42:59.600 I actually would like to see if she did go to school, what types of people would roll
00:43:05.600 up to defend her.
00:43:07.400 I would love that.
00:43:09.520 I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.
00:43:10.980 Of course.
00:43:11.980 So go and see who shows up.
00:43:13.580 Is it going to be peaceful people showing up?
00:43:19.480 Maybe.
00:43:21.420 Is it going to be chaotic?
00:43:23.500 Maybe.
00:43:24.160 I don't know.
00:43:25.020 You will very quickly.
00:43:26.260 Look, when you go to the VOL conference and we had nearly 8,000 people in the room last
00:43:29.320 week, you don't know who's going to be in the room.
00:43:32.020 And then you look around, you're like, husband and wives, kids, families, Palestinian guy who's
00:43:39.060 a Muslim says, I disagree with you because of what you say about Islam, but I love you,
00:43:43.220 Patrick, and you're just looking at her, everybody like, all right.
00:43:45.520 So that's our audience.
00:43:46.580 Yeah.
00:43:47.840 Sometimes put an event and let's see who your audience is.
00:43:50.180 I'd love to see it.
00:43:51.600 I'd love to see who the audience is.
00:43:53.140 Maybe the audience is the turning point USA audience.
00:43:58.060 Maybe the audience is young conservatives.
00:44:00.540 Maybe it is.
00:44:02.120 Maybe the audience is that.
00:44:03.320 But I'd like to see if she's saying that, is Candace going to be going and doing what
00:44:08.040 Charlie did?
00:44:09.000 I don't think she will.
00:44:10.320 Neither do I think she needs to because I think she's got kids. 0.99
00:44:12.860 Yeah.
00:44:13.160 I actually don't think it's a good idea to do it as a mother.
00:44:15.020 I think it's better for her to stay home and take care of the young kids. 1.00
00:44:18.520 She's got very young kids.
00:44:20.060 Three of them or four of them.
00:44:21.140 I wouldn't want her to put herself in a risk situation, but I, uh, look, let me tell you
00:44:26.480 last night I'm reading this about crows and eagles.
00:44:32.380 You ever heard this story of crows and eagles?
00:44:34.700 Let me read it to you.
00:44:35.940 The only bird that dares to attack an eagle is a crow, but the eagle never fights back.
00:44:43.420 Here's why.
00:44:44.120 The crow is the only bird bold enough to sit on the eagle's back and peck its neck at its
00:44:50.360 neck, relentless and annoying, but the eagle stays calm.
00:44:57.080 The eagle doesn't flap, doesn't fight, doesn't waste energy.
00:45:02.100 It does one thing.
00:45:03.620 It rises.
00:45:05.440 The higher the eagle soars, the thinner the air becomes.
00:45:09.180 The crow, it can't handle that altitude.
00:45:11.760 Eventually the crow gasps, loses strength and falls off.
00:45:17.940 Not because the eagle attacked, but because the eagle ascended.
00:45:22.840 Wow.
00:45:23.380 Let the crows talk, let them peck. 0.78
00:45:26.640 You don't have to respond.
00:45:28.360 Just keep going higher.
00:45:30.280 They can't follow you forever.
00:45:32.400 Your growth will suffocate their noise.
00:45:34.640 So don't engage, elevate.
00:45:37.060 Wow.
00:45:37.840 I don't know.
00:45:38.680 Now, I think whatever we're going through right now with the temperature that we have,
00:45:44.000 we're going to be around for a while, God willing, if he wants us here.
00:45:47.100 I think by 2035 we'll know.
00:45:49.720 I'm being serious with you.
00:45:51.540 I think by 2035 we'll know.
00:45:53.100 A decade?
00:45:54.260 Oh, I think it's going to take a decade.
00:45:56.080 I think it's going to take a decade to see what's going to happen.
00:45:58.280 Ten years ago when you went and looked at a lot of guys that everybody's like, who's
00:46:02.540 the real business people on YouTube?
00:46:04.220 Who's the real business people on YouTube?
00:46:05.600 Oh, it's this guy.
00:46:06.240 Oh, it's that guy.
00:46:06.800 Oh, that's Mike.
00:46:07.400 Oh, my God, it's that guy.
00:46:09.280 90% of them are not around 10 years later.
00:46:12.540 And you're like, dude, I thought that guy was going to be this.
00:46:14.440 I thought this guy was going to be this.
00:46:15.520 Let's go 10 more years.
00:46:17.340 Okay, everybody talk trash about Trump in what year?
00:46:20.620 70s?
00:46:21.520 80s?
00:46:22.380 90s?
00:46:23.280 2000s?
00:46:23.860 Where is he at right now?
00:46:25.480 Two-term president.
00:46:26.820 Number one show 15 years.
00:46:28.660 Multi-billionaire.
00:46:29.900 And raise good kids.
00:46:31.520 What do you have to say about that now?
00:46:33.440 But it took 79 years.
00:46:35.280 Sometimes you just got to wait.
00:46:38.280 There's going to be a lot of noise for a long time to come.
00:46:40.320 And I wish nothing but the best for everybody in this space.
00:46:44.820 I only encourage people to know the role they're playing and see what's best for America.
00:46:54.800 Of course, everybody, when the founding fathers created America, they had a problem with two things.
00:47:02.200 How do you manage the nasty side of ambitious side that every human being has?
00:47:09.000 And this is stemmed from passion.
00:47:11.060 And how do you decipher between the people that know how to reason?
00:47:13.520 So they created the whole thing, which was like, well, we went from monarchy.
00:47:18.700 I tell you what to do.
00:47:19.700 You better listen to it to a democracy.
00:47:21.680 Everybody tells you what to do to a republic.
00:47:23.600 Now we have representatives who speak on my behalf.
00:47:26.000 And if I don't like them, I'll fire them and have another person in the next election.
00:47:29.360 So I can't be controlled by the majority.
00:47:30.900 Because if this was a democracy, holy shit.
00:47:32.880 You're too rich, Elon.
00:47:34.560 $450 billion.
00:47:35.400 Now you're only worth $220 million.
00:47:37.160 Why is that?
00:47:37.780 That's a democracy.
00:47:38.660 Republic is like, no, dude, I can be whoever I want.
00:47:40.620 But the battle that they had long term, which they worried all the Madisons and the John Jays
00:47:46.120 and the, you know, and the Hamiltons and Washingtons, their battle was how are we going to manage
00:47:51.500 the natural, individual, selfish ambitions and passions that people have versus the people
00:47:59.700 that are willing to make reasonable decisions that's best for the country long term?
00:48:03.620 How do you manage that?
00:48:05.000 It's been a problem 2,000 years ago.
00:48:07.040 It was a problem 1,000 years ago.
00:48:08.600 It's a problem today.
00:48:09.260 It's going to be a problem 1,000 years from now.
00:48:10.940 But sometimes you can't really see everyone's motives for a minute.
00:48:15.240 And you just have to stick around and see what happens.
00:48:17.320 Eric.
00:48:18.140 You know, I said I jumped to anger immediately and I stay there and I still believe we need
00:48:22.280 on the right to stay angry about this.
00:48:23.860 And there's a fallout.
00:48:25.500 There's a reason for this.
00:48:26.900 The midterm elections are coming up.
00:48:30.160 This, again, if you think this is cheap using Charlie's death, I disagree.
00:48:34.420 I say use Charlie's legacy, carry that into 2026, let people know that the left is a party
00:48:41.080 of violence, the party of hate, party of stifling speech that they don't agree with, the party
00:48:46.700 of crime, the party of all the things that Trump has tried to change in America.
00:48:51.560 And use Charlie's death to stay angry and keep remembering and reminding the folks out there
00:48:58.120 who are the independents in the middle going, not sure where I'm going to go.
00:49:01.040 Not sure if I love Trump.
00:49:02.080 I'm not sure what I want to do.
00:49:03.100 But I certainly don't want the party that condones and almost supports what we saw on September
00:49:09.640 10th.
00:49:10.420 That's not my party of choice.
00:49:11.620 I think you were mentioning that earlier in the show.
00:49:13.980 So that's why I'd say, not violently, with your words, stay angry, folks.
00:49:19.380 Stay angry.
00:49:19.720 I am Charlie Kirk.
00:49:21.260 That should be everyone right now.
00:49:22.500 On Monday, I told you guys, any USA merch you buy, 100% of the proceeds, not proceeds, not
00:49:30.880 the profit, not the gross profits, whatever you buy, 100% will go to Turning Point USA.
00:49:36.920 And within 24 hours, we sold $100,000 worth.
00:49:41.840 So we're announcing today that we're sending $100,000 to Turning Point USA.
00:49:45.860 We sent it to them yesterday.
00:49:47.600 It was wired over to them yesterday.
00:49:49.140 It should hit again, either yesterday or today.
00:49:51.860 But we're continuing again today.
00:49:54.080 So anybody who didn't participate, just so you know, that $100,000 went because of you.
00:49:59.140 You guys chose to do this.
00:50:00.720 So respect to all of you.
00:50:02.520 But we're doing it again.
00:50:03.340 And we even added a couple new shirts there, just in the memory of Charlie.
00:50:07.520 This is one that says, live free with the American flag. 0.81
00:50:11.040 And if you zoom in on the American flag, you'll see future looks bright on it right there.
00:50:16.300 And then there's a ton of other items.
00:50:17.920 Team USA, if you love America, if you love Charlie, if you want to find a way to collectively
00:50:22.620 contribute to Turning Point USA, 100% of whatever you purchase here today, any one of these
00:50:28.240 items you purchase on the USA collection, 100% of it will go to Turning Point USA, and we'll
00:50:33.600 give that update again on what that looks like between now and Friday.
00:50:36.880 So to everybody that did that, salute to you.
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