＂Threats Were Made＂ - Bill Ackman BREAKS SILENCE On Candace Owens Charlie Kirk Hamptons Claims
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Summary
Candace Shummers accuses Bill Ackman and Seth Dillon of blackmailing and threatening Charlie Kirk. But Ackman says it all happened in the Hamptons. And Seth Dillon says it didn t happen in the hamptons at all.
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Candace Owens comes out with allegations against Bill Ackman and Seth Dillon in an explosive video.
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Yeah, so this is the first part where she talks about Bill Ackman inviting Charlie Kirk to the Hamptons.
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In the Hamptons, and he had more than one event, but he had essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Ackman.
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Because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no.
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This is not the route that you should be going on.
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And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, his quote-unquote friends.
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Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made.
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And I will tell you that I am very happy for Bill Ackman to dispute this narrative.
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In fact, he was asked to dispute this narrative.
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Max Blumenthal went out to him today, and Bill Ackman came back and said,
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I am waiting for one of them to go on record and to say that it did not go down this way.
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It was at this time that Bibi Netanyahu was called and Charlie was invited to Israel.
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This was an under-duress situation, I would say.
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If you go to Bill's tweet, Rob, Bill Ackman, $10 billion guy, he writes a long tweet.
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I don't know if you – it's going to be tough to read it this way if you can just go to a tweet because it's a long tweet.
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Charlie said, I can get some Charlie Kirk Juniors out, about 100 million followers, influencers.
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So they come down, they have the meeting, and he's just showing all the text messages back and forth.
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But there's a long message, Rob, that there's there.
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I'm willing to address any questions, anything that people want to talk about.
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And then while they're there – I actually want to read this, Rob, if you can find it.
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It might be one of the longest I've ever – I read the whole thing.
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Bill doesn't post – Rob, just go to his account and keep going down, buddy.
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Just keep going down, and we'll get to – keep going down.
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This is two days ago, so you've got to keep going.
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Keep going faster, faster, faster, because you're at 24 hours, 19 hours.
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This afternoon, Candace Shummers is staging an intervention with Charlie Kirk.
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Threats were made with respect to his opposing stance on Israel at an event I hosted at Hamptons.
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Candace also intimidated that I blackmailed – intimated that I blackmailed Charlie.
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On the show, Candace said that she'll be very happy for me to dispute this narrative.
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While it pains me to drive more traffic to her program, I'm responding here to clear my name.
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For the record, at no time have I ever threatened Charlie Kirk, Turning Point US, or anyone associated with him.
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I've never blackmailed anyone, let alone Charlie Kirk.
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I've never offered Charlie or Turning Point any money in an attempt to influence Charlie's opinion on anything.
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In fact, my interactions with Charlie have been extremely cordial, all but limited, regretfully so, as I was very impressed by him and his work.
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In an effort to clear the record, I share the following.
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I've followed Charlie Kirk on X for some time and greatly admired him.
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While I didn't agree with him on every issue, I had enormous respect for his intelligence, knowledge, clips.
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I connected with Charlie when he DM'd me in late May of this year and expressed interest in meeting me.
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In light of our prospective schedules, we were unable to find a time to meet in person,
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On the Zoom, he explained to me that conservatives, in particular young conservatives, were getting tired of defending Israel,
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I asked him how I could learn more, and he suggested that it might be useful to convene a group of young conservatives' influencers
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on a host of topics that could include Israel to a better sense of how conservative community was thinking about Israel.
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On the Zoom, Charlie said that his open-mic conversations on campus were very effective in addressing issues on the minds of the students,
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but he was only one person with limited bandwidth.
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He suggested that recruiting a group of junior Charlie Kirk's, we could open-mic sessions on college campuses.
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I expressed interest in learning more, and thereafter scheduled a series of conference calls with Charlie,
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Turning Point USA staff, and members of the team, in addition to getting a better sense of what were young conservatives going through.
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Charlie thought doing so might enable him to identify potential candidates who could launch their own campus tours
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We chose the afternoon of August 4th to the afternoon of August 5th were convening.
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Charlie and members of my team worked to put together an invitation list.
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I offered to host the sessions in Bridgehampton and cover the cause so that I could attend some of the sessions
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Charlie sent out the invitations, and about 35 influencers accepted it.
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Charlie estimated that the influencers who attended with relatively 100 million followers.
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Charlie and Turning Point USA put together the agenda for the meeting,
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and the topics were Economic Future of America, The Cultural Landscape of Dating and Marriage,
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Conservative Eastern Mamdani, The New Threat to America.
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Charlie asked me to moderate economic topics thereafter.
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The convergence of East and West included a discussion on immigration values,
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systems, the pro-U.S. approach, and foreign policy in Israel.
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While I had wanted to attend the convergence panel, I had a board meeting that conflicted this.
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Those that attended the session said that the Israel discussion was similar to other sessions
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Some participants were critical of Israel, and some were supportive.
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I attended one group lunch and a group dinner where I sat with Charlie and others.
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It gave me considerable perspective on what is on my mind of young Americans,
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At the end of the event, I sat with Charlie and members of my team,
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Charlie believed that he had identified a number of potential Turning Point ambassadors
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We corresponded by a text thereafter over a few weeks on a range of topics,
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In short, this was not an intervention to blackmail Charlie Kirk into adopting certain views on Israel.
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It seems like a very detailed description of what happened, and a very likely description.
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I mean, what Ackman pointed out there was why Charlie was so important.
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A billionaire, a multibillionaire who has an issue with growing anti-Semitism on college campuses,
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You go to Turning Point, because they have the access to the young minds on campuses,
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not what they're getting from the liberal professors.
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Ackman saw the benefit, the value in Turning Point and Charlie's reach.
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Everything that Ackman points out sounds like something that a wealthy person with an agenda
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would do when trying to access Charlie's reach.
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Charlie says, well, maybe not me, but maybe we can get a handful of influencers with a big following,
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and we can do it that way, thereby not necessarily joining forces, TPUSA, politically with Ackman,
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but doing it as an assist, so to speak, a mailing or whatever.
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It kind of puts a little bit of a prophylactic barrier between Charlie Kirk and TPUSA
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But Charlie, to his credit, listened and heard what Ackman was pushing.
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I've never heard of Ackman threatening Charlie Kirk before Candace came up with it,
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We should probably hear the actual first-person response.
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Towards the end of Charlie's career, his life, God rest his soul,
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was he getting a little bit more critical on BB and the actions of what he was doing?
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Was he on Megyn Kelly and had a long—he was pissed because he's like,
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Did this meeting happen in the Hamptons with Charlie and the—yes.
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But what the people on our side that are saying Israel was behind it, please,
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and you guys all know I'm critical as hell of some of the actions that Israel does,
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So are they saying that Israel—this is where it gets freaking insane.
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Israel went to Tyler and had him shoot and kill Charlie.
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Have the boyfriend, like, give me the scenario where Israel did it.
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Because now it's getting to the point where it's like, Israel.
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It's like you're losing the argument in that sense.
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The people that are saying that Israel pissed off, BB was mad and all that stuff.
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How did they convince a 22-year-old white boy who's dating a freaking furry to go on a roof and shoot this guy what?
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Because they're like, yeah, we'll take care of your family.
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I don't know how—what'd you do, brainwash him to go, yeah, I'll go kill this guy.
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Because if that's what you're saying, if you're saying, hey, he was really pissed at the end.
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Probably if you want to play this clip on what Dave had to say.
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But I see him out there, and I've seen a bunch of other people doing this.
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But it's just like, if you want to go look through it, I mean, it's just crazy.
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But he had this post about how Israel did this.
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But I literally just replied, and I went, what evidence do we have that Israel was involved in this?
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And, I mean, man, if you want to be disturbed, like, go look through the replies to that.
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It is unbelievable how people put together theory.
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You know, they're like, what evidence do we have?
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There is absolutely no reason to even suspect that is the case, let alone to determine that it's a fact.
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And all the things people are posing, it's just like, guys, Jesus Christ, man, I'm sorry.
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Like, if you got some evidence, bring it to me, and I'll be the first one to look into it.
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But then people going, like, he was waking up to Israel.
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And he, you know, he once on an interview said, like, you know, the pro-Israel people are getting a little too crazy when they're accusing even me of being anti-Israel.
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And, like, you know, to his credit, he defended, like, having me at the thing and having Tucker and Megan there and stuff.
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But, like, you've just got no real theory here.
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Like, they telling me the government of Israel took out their number one guy who still had influence amongst young people.
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And, by the way, while this is going on, Dave Smith sounds very reasonable on what he's saying, right?
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They said, according to multiple reports, Israel Prime Minister offered the Charlie Kirk turning point USA $150 million in cash to adopt an even more pro-Israel stance.
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If you go a little bit lower, look at the amount of views this thing got.
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And then there's another post, Rob, if you can pull up the other one that says, right below it, that says,
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the journalist behind the report accusing Bibi of offering $150 million is Max Blumenthal,
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a man who used to work for the Iran-backed newspaper Al-Akbar in Beirut and contributed to Al Jazeera.
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Why is it every time we track down a lie, we end up finding people connected to Qatar or Iran behind it?
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So this is why you're hearing both sides of the story.
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Well, look, when Dave Smith is calling you out for being anti-Israel, you probably have a problem, Candace, Ian Carroll,
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because Dave, who we've known for a while, has made his name over the last year, criticizing Israel.
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In fact, at Turning Point USA, when Charlie was hosting the debate between Dave Smith and the other gentleman,
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he asked him point blank, is Israel an ally of the United States?
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So that's where Dave Smith is, who happens to be Jewish.
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Candace is a shock jock, and she is such a good one, man.
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Show me one picture, one podcast, one evidence that they've even been in the same room in the last two years.
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The last thing I found, the last time they did anything, was on October 3rd, 2023.
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Show me any evidence that they've been in touch, they've been in dialogue, they've done anything together.
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I think that Candace is capitalizing on Charlie's death.
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And if we know anything about Candace, over the last couple years, has she been biased, non-biased towards Israel?
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So, you know, there's people that you cut out of your life.
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Like, how many people that you used to drink with, you're like, Dad, I can't hang out with you anymore.
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Because that's all we had in common was drinking.
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We just don't have nothing in common right now.
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If you want evidence, actual receipts, actual, not opinions, not I feel, actual receipts.
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Andrew Colvitt, who we all know, is the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show.
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To sum that up, he basically said, yeah, Candace is lying.
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So at some point, we're going to have to acknowledge something about Candace.
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I've been asked by Bill Ackman even more times.
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I'm traveling to Charlie Kirk to find out what's the true book.
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His team was with him 100% of the time when he wasn't in hotel room.
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Bill never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on BB, never gave him a list of Charlie's
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There was concern raised about having Tucker at SAS.
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And Charlie's reply was, honestly, people telling me not to have Tucker makes me want
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to have Tucker, and I'm going to lock him in for AmFest 2.
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Charlie personally told me he had a very cordial relationship with Bill, and the event was
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So that's subtly saying, Candace, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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So at what point are we going to say, well, maybe Candace just is completely unbiased here.
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You're saying she's biased towards Israel or against Israel.
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I would ask you, what category is Candace in regarding Israel?
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I don't know if she outright hates Israel, outright hates Jews.
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You offered Tucker $100 million to join Valuetainment.
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We sent the guy to his place to make the offer on paper.
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So there was a formal offer and a formal contract.
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If someone's going to offer Charlie Kirk $150 million, don't you think there's going to be a public statement, a contract, a tweet?
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To me, it's nonsensical unless you show receipts.
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Candace, to her credit, showed a lot of receipts with Macron's wife's penis, whatever that is.
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In my opinion, she took a year out of her life, and I'm not joking, to find his penis.
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But at what point is Candace going to say, you know what?
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I'm just stoking the flame and making a name for myself with my former friend's death.
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Because I see zero evidence that they're even still friends.
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And now you have the executive producer of Charlie Kirk's podcast, Andrew Colbert,
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basically saying, yeah, Candace is not telling the truth, point blank.
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Well, I was just going to say, I was going to agree with you, Adam, that early on, 2011, 2012, 2013,
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I was shocked to see her leave until I, being part of TPUSA, her theories got a little,
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It was just, it was too extreme for their taste.
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And Charlie, to his credit, kept a friend, a cordial friendship for her, with her for years.
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But it hasn't been a communication pipeline back and forth between the two for many years.
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That's why I don't know why we had, we give Candace Owens' assessment anyway at all.
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There's a lot of people, I think, but she did a tweet, there's 10 million people, 10 million views, who trust Candace.
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At what point are we going to say, Candace gives opinions?
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Is anyone in the intelligence saying, we have credible evidence to find that Israel is at play here?
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And at one point are people going to be like, we just can't trust what she's saying.
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And last thing about Candace, and I, look, every time I've hung out with Candace, I've enjoyed my time with Candace.
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I think she's gone down a deep, dark rabbit hole the last couple of years.
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Her entire career, you can almost assess that it's Jews or very pro-Israel people that have put her on.
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Dennis Prager, Dave Rubin, Charlie Kirk, to an extent, Ben Shapiro on Daily Wire.
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And now none of them want anything to do with them.
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It's very reminiscent, in a weird way, of the U.S.-China relation.
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Who opened up China's role in the world, in the World Trade Organization?
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Didn't Bill Clinton open up a trade organization with China, and now China is our biggest competitor?
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And they basically spew anti-American rhetoric and try to tear down American hegemony around the world?
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Have a little respect for what America's done for you.
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That is very symbolic of what Candace is doing to Israel and the Jewish community.
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She clearly doesn't like Bibi Netanyahu and what Israel does government-wise.
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And I thank you for the podcast because I was, my brain was going here.
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But you have to be able to come here and go, okay, this is happening here.
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So, unless people are saying, because let's strip it all down.
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You don't, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, you're being way too logical.
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Like, for instance, the $150 million, I want to see.
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I don't, well, that's why, that's why I have a hard time.
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At some point, her credibility, I mean, is going to go down the tubes because she needs to bring receipts.
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When's the last time she was at a Turning Point event?
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Is Candace even involved in Shirley Kirk's life?
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No question, proof that Candace Owens is nothing, has nothing to do.
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She would be in a perfect world if they didn't have this, what I already know, was a very quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him.
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She would be the logical heir to the TPUSA throne.
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Wait, you don't think she'll be at the funeral?
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What is Erica Kirk's relationship with Candace at this point?
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I don't think, I think Candace has created a lane for herself that's, it's her own lane.
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She wants to go after McCrone's husband or wife or whatever you want to call him.
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She wants, I just, I agree that I think it's cheap that she is sparking this up like she
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knows something between, you know, something happened between Ackman and Charlie.
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To me, to me, to me, to me, I think when I, when I look at, I look at talent, I look
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at reason, then I look at if it's improving the situation in America or making it worse.
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You have dinner with Candace, you're with her, capable, great communicator.
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She's been to our house many times, multiple times.
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We've had dinner, super capable person that we're, we've had these conversations together
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with, spent time with her husband, smart guy, good guy, that very good story together.
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You go to the other side on positions taking, okay?
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When you take the positions that you've taken on what you're saying, all right, um, is it
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Our live stream was massive yesterday, bigger than anybody else's that took place.
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We had a live stream that we did on election night.
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Google told us it was the biggest in, no, no, concurrent.
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Listen, the numbers are the numbers, but it doesn't mean it's the right message.
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Does it mean it's a good song for everybody who listened to it?
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I, I, I'm, I'm trying to really see if you, if you want to get eyeballs, go write a song
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Are you solving to be a synergist to bring America to get out of time like this?
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And by the way, I'd love to see the profile of people that are watching all of it.
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I do know she was, you know, she has a, her, you don't need to read between the lines
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to see how many times she takes shots at Ben Shapiro.
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You guys had a following out that, uh, where you were at.
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And then it brings me to the last thing, which is by far the most important thing.
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You know what the most important thing to me is?
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By the way, if Candace and Erica are speaking every day and she's saying, Oh, thank you so
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But if Erica is sitting there saying, dude, can you just stop for one week and make this
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about my husband's funeral that's coming up this Sunday?
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If Erica is supportive of everything Candace is doing, guess what?
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By the way, full, uh, uh, uh, uh, what's the word?
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I've never had a text phone call with Erica before.
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Only time I've said hi to Erica is when Charlie was there and we've never spoken.
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And obviously her number one priority is God and her husband every single time.
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So if Candace and Erica are speaking and Candace is saying, Erica is saying, Candace, thank
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But I, I don't know if, if, if, if this was me and you're jumping on the numbers and
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And my wife is like, Vinny, can you not make this about you?
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You're not making my life any better right now.
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I'm trying to put an event together with 65,000 people in a place and everybody who's
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She's trying to overcome that while trying to continue getting the organization going
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Do you know how much pressure is on her and her team?
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So, to me, take all the talent and the relationship out.
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What it comes down to is, Candice, if this is improving, the current emotional state Eric is at, keep at it.
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If it's not, take a few days off and start next Tuesday or Monday.
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Let's not put it on anybody else right now that they're increasing the temperature.
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And I understand, you know, the one thing with Candice.
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Candice is going to do what Candice is going to do.
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You know, she's not one that's going to be, you know, it's Candice.
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Candice is going to do what Candice is going to do.
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You know, I process it purely from the lens of Erica and the family.
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You were earlier talking about let's give it a rest.
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You have this mug here that says, words, talk, numbers, scream.
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It's probably overruling her better judgment to wait a little while.
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There's a great movie, a Denzel Washington movie, Spike Lee movie out right now.
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And one of the subplots is A$AP Rocky is a rapper, a young rapper.
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And he gets caught doing some really bad stuff.
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And the final scene is Denzel Washington who finally gets him to, he catches him doing
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And his point was this rapper is like, I'm going to let you, Denzel Washington, sign me.
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You're going to be huge because you're going to sign the biggest rapper in the history.
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Yeah, but you're going to be gone for 25 years.
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Yeah, but you know how big I'm going to be from prison?
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Let's get, you know, social media, digital footprints, bigger reach.
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And it's kind of a metaphor for what's going on with people.
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I will also note that you said this, Trump's going to talk, J.D., et cetera, Jr.
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And this may be a little controversial, but Suzanne Scott is one of the speakers.
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Charlie was banned from Fox News for a long time.
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He was not allowed on that network for several years.
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I spent 11 years at Fox and I will tell you early on when Trump was first elected in 2016,
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Charlie Kirk was one of the young guys who helped Trump the first time.
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He started to grow and then he was not on Fox for probably five to six years.
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And people were just, the speculation was, Murdoch's aren't very, never have been very pro-MAGA.
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But, so it's almost a little hypocritical that Suzanne's going to be one of the people speaking
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because they kept him off Fox for many years up until recently when they brought him back on.
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I do notice Charlie had a big ad campaign on Fox.
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You see him on some of the breaks that may still be running.
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So he started to spend a lot of money at Fox and then they brought him in to fill in on one of the weekend shows.
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Where the little girl comes running to him after the heartbreak.
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I just find out all of a sudden he's welcoming.
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And, you know, wall-to-wall coverage for the past week on Fox with Charlie is like, you got to do it, I guess.
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But here's another example of not staying true to what you have been.
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Let me affirm what I think Pat was saying is that, Erica, you always say, who's the last person in your ear?
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Well, if you're married, it's usually your wife.
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Nobody knows you more than your wife or your spouse, your significant other.
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That's what I think you're saying with Erica, respectfully.
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What we also know is that we have something that you talk about being a part of the inner circle.
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Well, one of them was definitely Andrew, right?
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So I think he has, beyond the wife, the next most credibility here.
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So he just basically said that Candace was lying in so many words.
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If they were such good friends, why isn't she speaking?
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But there's nothing indicating that they're still friends.
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By the way, they're doing sort of like this, you know, group effort to host the Charlie Kirk show.
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Did they pick Candace to host the show yesterday?
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They picked Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh and the gang.
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They, I mean, the proof is right in front of our face.
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My opinion, this is my opinion, is that Candace was friends with Charlie, not is friends with Charlie.
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This is her words of how I think Candace handles situations.
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But she's, I would not want to mess with this woman.
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Those of you who think that you are going to replace Charlie Kirk, okay?
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You don't just get to depose and tell us that we're going to follow this individual, okay?
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You put a shill in Charlie Kirk's chair, in Charlie Kirk's company, and you try to tell us to follow that individual, I will be an enemy of you.
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I don't, there will, there will be nothing that can stop me, okay?
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And I want you guys to understand, this is not a threat.
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So to those of you who are trying that, I'm seeing the messages, I am telling you to back off right now.
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I know exactly who you were that were exerting pressure.
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Don't you pretend to be noble now and say nice things about Charlie Kirk and think you're going to slide into his chair, okay?
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Over my dead body, which I'm sure can be arranged.
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I mean, if you had to guess who she's talking to.
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But she seems venomous and angry and passionate.
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And so they put Shapiro in the seat yesterday after J.D. Vance the first day.
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Yeah, but Ben Shapiro, by the way, they just pledged Daily Wire, pledged, I think, a million dollars to Charlie Kirk.
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Ben, he's done well, but he needs the Turning Point USA.
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But, you know, Turning Point, I don't know who she was talking to.
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Because I don't think she's talking to TPUSA management, the people who are going to decide who takes them.
00:36:39.320
She was making threats of people who think they're heir to the throne of Charlie Kirk.
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By the way, if she is talking about Ben Shapiro, and I have no clue, my gut was Nick Fuentes because he's trying to take the mantle.
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You think if she had text messages with Ben Shapiro, after everything they've been through, they wouldn't have been released already?
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You think Candace is the type of person the last two years that has held back?
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You think she's got a trump card that she's ready to expose Ben Shapiro?
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I'm saying she is angry and venomous right now.
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And that is not a person that you want to mess with.
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Do you think on the power versus force chart, I'd love to see where Pat thinks about this.
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Please show me where you think Candace is operating out of right now.
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On power versus force, what do you think she's at?
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But I think, Adam, because you know what she's talking about for this Ben Shapiro.
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So you think at a time like this, it's good to be there?
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Because the left will tell you, let's go back to unity.
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Because you didn't just have one of your biggest, most influential human beings on your side assassinated in cold blood.
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I'm not suggesting violence at all when I'm saying stay pissed off, stay angry.
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You do go through stages of grief, confusion, sadness.
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For this, I announced it at 11.13, I'm sorry, 4.13 p.m. last Wednesday, Charlie Kirk had died from the gunshot from the assassin.
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And I just went right to, I'm fucking pissed off.
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We're not going to sit down and not take, and I don't mean hurt people.
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We're going to use, I'm going to use my voice to let the world know what I believe.
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Oh, so what I'm saying is, like, anger, like, Pat, think about it.
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If God forbid one of us was taken out, I would go right to anger.
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And again, Adam, I don't know the relationship.
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I don't know how close, I mean, they were close back in the day.
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But right now, you don't know if they texted the day of or days before or any of that.
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But in regard to what you were saying about what she's talking about, I would assume it
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Because what did Ben Shapiro say a couple days after the assassination?
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I'm going to pick up the bloody mic and I'm going to keep going.
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She's saying her thing is nobody's going to come and take it because she knows that they're
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But I think, Pat, I think she's angry right now.
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And listen, there's a business model to use people's emotions and anger and monetize that.
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My question is, OK, the one person has the right to be angry in every emotion.
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Andrew, who we know very well, is being very reasonable right now.
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He's acting with reason and with love for Charlie.
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Candace is acting with absolute anger and desire for eyeballs and for clout.
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The executive producer, Andrew, who's with him every day, or Candace, who was friends
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I think even the better one to go to is not even the executive producer.
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To be honest, she's probably all over the map, man.
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When she gave the 17, 18-minute speech last night, where was she at?
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She said that line where she said, the tears of this widow will echo like a battle cry.
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But she also showed immense courage and willingness to speak out on Charlene's behalf.
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I saw love, and I saw a mother who is going to, she said an example for a lot of people.
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You said, well, Anika's experience is more angry than Erica's.
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That's why she gave Erica the kind of credit that she did.
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I think Candace isn't above, I think Candace is on the bottom of it, not at the top of
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I think Candace is at the, you know, if Candace, if Candace wanted to, she says that, and I'm
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I'd be curious to know who shows up if Candace goes on universities.
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I would actually like to see her go to universities, obviously with protection.
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I want her because she's got a family, she's got kids, she's got a beautiful family.
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I'd like to see her go and see who shows up and who defends her.
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I actually would like to see if she did go to school, what types of people would roll
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I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.
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Look, when you go to the VOL conference and we had nearly 8,000 people in the room last
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week, you don't know who's going to be in the room.
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And then you look around, you're like, husband and wives, kids, families, Palestinian guy who's
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a Muslim says, I disagree with you because of what you say about Islam, but I love you,
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Patrick, and you're just looking at her, everybody like, all right.
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Sometimes put an event and let's see who your audience is.
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Maybe the audience is the turning point USA audience.
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But I'd like to see if she's saying that, is Candace going to be going and doing what
00:44:10.320
Neither do I think she needs to because I think she's got kids.
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I actually don't think it's a good idea to do it as a mother.
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I think it's better for her to stay home and take care of the young kids.
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I wouldn't want her to put herself in a risk situation, but I, uh, look, let me tell you
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last night I'm reading this about crows and eagles.
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The only bird that dares to attack an eagle is a crow, but the eagle never fights back.
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The crow is the only bird bold enough to sit on the eagle's back and peck its neck at its
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neck, relentless and annoying, but the eagle stays calm.
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The eagle doesn't flap, doesn't fight, doesn't waste energy.
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The higher the eagle soars, the thinner the air becomes.
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Eventually the crow gasps, loses strength and falls off.
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Not because the eagle attacked, but because the eagle ascended.
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Now, I think whatever we're going through right now with the temperature that we have,
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we're going to be around for a while, God willing, if he wants us here.
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I think it's going to take a decade to see what's going to happen.
00:45:58.280
Ten years ago when you went and looked at a lot of guys that everybody's like, who's
00:46:12.540
And you're like, dude, I thought that guy was going to be this.
00:46:17.340
Okay, everybody talk trash about Trump in what year?
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There's going to be a lot of noise for a long time to come.
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And I wish nothing but the best for everybody in this space.
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I only encourage people to know the role they're playing and see what's best for America.
00:46:54.800
Of course, everybody, when the founding fathers created America, they had a problem with two things.
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How do you manage the nasty side of ambitious side that every human being has?
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And how do you decipher between the people that know how to reason?
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So they created the whole thing, which was like, well, we went from monarchy.
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Now we have representatives who speak on my behalf.
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And if I don't like them, I'll fire them and have another person in the next election.
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Republic is like, no, dude, I can be whoever I want.
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But the battle that they had long term, which they worried all the Madisons and the John Jays
00:47:46.120
and the, you know, and the Hamiltons and Washingtons, their battle was how are we going to manage
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the natural, individual, selfish ambitions and passions that people have versus the people
00:47:59.700
that are willing to make reasonable decisions that's best for the country long term?
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It's going to be a problem 1,000 years from now.
00:48:10.940
But sometimes you can't really see everyone's motives for a minute.
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And you just have to stick around and see what happens.
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You know, I said I jumped to anger immediately and I stay there and I still believe we need
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This, again, if you think this is cheap using Charlie's death, I disagree.
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I say use Charlie's legacy, carry that into 2026, let people know that the left is a party
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of violence, the party of hate, party of stifling speech that they don't agree with, the party
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of crime, the party of all the things that Trump has tried to change in America.
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And use Charlie's death to stay angry and keep remembering and reminding the folks out there
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who are the independents in the middle going, not sure where I'm going to go.
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But I certainly don't want the party that condones and almost supports what we saw on September
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I think you were mentioning that earlier in the show.
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So that's why I'd say, not violently, with your words, stay angry, folks.
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On Monday, I told you guys, any USA merch you buy, 100% of the proceeds, not proceeds, not
00:49:30.880
the profit, not the gross profits, whatever you buy, 100% will go to Turning Point USA.
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So we're announcing today that we're sending $100,000 to Turning Point USA.
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It should hit again, either yesterday or today.
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So anybody who didn't participate, just so you know, that $100,000 went because of you.
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And we even added a couple new shirts there, just in the memory of Charlie.
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This is one that says, live free with the American flag.
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And if you zoom in on the American flag, you'll see future looks bright on it right there.
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Team USA, if you love America, if you love Charlie, if you want to find a way to collectively
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contribute to Turning Point USA, 100% of whatever you purchase here today, any one of these
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