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00:00:27.820 Turn to Point USA CEO Erica Kirk cancels a highly anticipated appearance with J.D. Vance receiving serious threats.

00:00:36.120 Andrew Colbert, a spokesperson of the conservative students activist,

00:00:39.240 stepped in for Charlie Kirk's widow at the Athens-Georgia event and informed the crowd why the grieving mother of two couldn't be there

00:00:45.180 to interview the vice president who still attended the event.

00:00:48.340 I'm going to address it right in front of my vice president.

00:00:50.800 I'm on stage here instead of my friend Erica Kirk because I'm fortunate she received more,

00:00:55.260 some very serious threats in her direction.

00:00:56.840 It's a terrible reflection on the state of reality and the state of the country, part-time jobs out of attacking.

00:01:02.900 COVID added, arguing that some have made part-time jobs out of attacking.

00:01:06.740 Erica Vance indicated he was aware of the threats against Erica 37 and was worried to the University of Georgia event would be canceled,

00:01:16.020 but decided to attend the consulting with Secret Service.

00:01:19.620 Obviously, the guys do a very good job.

00:01:21.320 He said, Secret Service detail, and I said, you know what? 0.97

00:01:24.380 Let's let Erica do what she needs to do for herself and her family. 0.99

00:01:27.340 I'm sure Andrew will fill in, and let's go make this an amazing event.

00:01:30.600 The vice president lamented the two separate living hells Kirk has been subjected to

00:01:34.920 since her husband's assassination last September,

00:01:37.940 namely the shocking public murder of her children, father, and intense online criticism.

00:01:42.880 Vinny.

00:01:43.200 Well, Pat, it's pulling out by saying that there's very serious threats,

00:01:48.000 and then right after the Secret Service says there was no credible threats, none. 0.90

00:01:53.300 So let's not play dumb here.

00:01:55.080 When did Secret Service say that? 0.67

00:01:56.680 Rob, can you show that?

00:01:57.460 I think it was yesterday.

00:01:58.860 If I'm not mistaken.

00:02:00.980 It was an official announcement.

00:02:03.680 Yeah, right there.

00:02:04.160 Secret Service determines no credible threat to UGA rally after Erica Kirk's cancellation.

00:02:09.320 Okay? 0.95

00:02:09.840 Like I said, let's not play dumb. 0.96

00:02:12.540 J.D. Vance was there. 0.95

00:02:13.940 And for anybody that's been around, and we all have been, but a lot of people at home, they don't understand.

00:02:17.900 Who's a bigger target?

00:02:19.040 The VP or Erica Kirk? 0.98

00:02:20.440 The vice president.

00:02:20.780 We know this from experience.

00:02:22.620 When the president came to our other building

00:02:24.480 Guys, they come secret service weeks beforehand

00:02:27.340 They push buttons to make sure there's no freaking bombs

00:02:30.260 It's insane

00:02:31.920 They put tarps

00:02:33.120 This is the number two guy in charge

00:02:35.640 In the free world

00:02:38.160 So when the vice president shows up

00:02:39.980 Everything's locked down

00:02:40.900 Top level security

00:02:41.920 So he's safe

00:02:43.100 How is her life in danger?

00:02:45.160 It doesn't make sense

00:02:46.000 And mind you, this place

00:02:47.600 The story doesn't hold up

00:02:49.580 Now let's look at really what happened

00:02:51.020 The turnout was weak

00:02:52.560 If, Rob, you could show the video, you don't have to play the audio from the other side, that's the audience.

00:02:59.300 Less than 25% capacity.

00:03:01.860 Allegedly, apparently, there was free tickets, so nobody showed up.

00:03:05.160 And that's the bigger problem that nobody wants to admit.

00:03:07.180 Young men aren't even showing up anymore, not even for the vice president.

00:03:11.780 And he's a young, you know, he hangs out with, you know, Theo Vaughn.

00:03:14.020 He's on the podcast.

00:03:14.760 They're talking about cocaine.

00:03:16.160 That should tell you everything that you need to know.

00:03:17.880 This is not just a bad night.

00:03:19.920 This is a signal.

00:03:20.840 So let's stop pretending.

00:03:21.560 pretending i want everybody out there who understands god rest his soul and i love this

00:03:25.720 guy to death charlie kirk you are not going to relate replace charlie kirk i don't care

00:03:30.360 the charlie kirk show they have the empty chair and these guys are just talking you're not going

00:03:34.440 to replace him and we're seeing it i don't even care ben shapiro was on a couple days after he's

00:03:39.240 like i'm gonna carry the torch and i'm gonna help no you're not you cannot replace this guy and i

00:03:45.700 think pat now the time is coming where they're like erica's fire and i get it she was there for

00:03:50.220 a second that it's just they're losing it they're losing these young guys because there's nobody

00:03:54.780 that has that fire and that message that charlie kirk had so that's my that's my take

00:04:00.260 i feel horrible for the kirk family uh there's not a lot that i'm like i'm going 10 toes down

00:04:09.440 on this but i'm going 10 toes down on this here's what i predict tyler robinson killed charlie kirk

00:04:16.220 you might have questions of motives and of other people who are involved

00:04:20.600 at the end of the day they're going to find tyler robinson guilty and if i'm wrong i will come back

00:04:25.940 here on the show and say my bad erica kirk did nothing wrong she's a loyal and faithful wife

00:04:33.760 and what she's going through after the assassination and murder of her husband

00:04:38.560 what she's had to put through is disgusting and that's the best word that i could give

00:04:44.300 horrible they have two kids children that are never going to spend time with their father 0.98

00:04:50.000 and meanwhile people are vilifying erica you can question why she's wearing mascara 0.85

00:04:56.900 and you can question her choice of jewelry or glitter theatrics or why she's business you can

00:05:03.640 ask all those questions but to accuse her of killing her husband accusing her of being happy

00:05:08.800 that her husband is dead accusing the turning point people of being joyful that their leader 0.85

00:05:14.860 and founder is gone to me is so self-serving and disgusting i can't even imagine and i hate to even

00:05:21.940 draw this comparison god forbid anything happened with pbd you had a knee injury all i can think

00:05:27.940 about is pbd how's your knee when pbd loses his voice i go pat how you doing you need some tea

00:05:32.520 what's going hey pat's a pretty crazy freaking driver you know i am about driving how many years

00:05:37.760 did i say you need a driver bro how many years did i say you need a driver because i understand 0.69

00:05:42.080 he's the golden goose charlie was the golden goose of turning point usa to me it's nonsensical 0.93

00:05:48.140 and downright stupid to think that his internal team and his wife would want to see him go hold 0.99

00:05:55.380 on okay to me it's so stupid and laughable and i really encourage people to do better out there 1.00

00:06:01.820 and do anything you might not support them but don't go out of your way to ridicule condemn 0.98

00:06:07.960 and outright hate them because you don't like erica kirk's makeup or how she's acting today

00:06:13.880 if you had someone that you're married to a famous person that was assassinated and murdered

00:06:19.260 in front of you then you can speak until then take a seat but to the point of the story her

00:06:24.680 saying that there was a credible threat and then secret service is saying no there wasn't a threat

00:06:29.540 I don't know.

00:06:30.220 To me, this is noise and the signal.

00:06:32.360 No, no, no.

00:06:32.820 This is the story.

00:06:33.980 The story is somebody's lying.

00:06:36.400 Either Erica Kirk is lying or the Secret Service is lying, number one.

00:06:39.940 Number two, if, God forbid, this guy died, I'm telling you right now,

00:06:44.740 that would not say PBD podcast.

00:06:46.680 There's no way we're doing the PBD podcast without PBD.

00:06:50.340 I'm sorry.

00:06:51.340 That chair's not going to be empty.

00:06:52.640 We're going to sit here and just keep talking.

00:06:54.340 No.

00:06:55.140 That's my opinion.

00:06:56.600 I don't think that that's right.

00:06:58.240 I think you guys, call it the TPUSA podcast and put Charlie's face in the back like a mural.

00:07:05.480 Let me ask PBD one question.

00:07:08.780 And maybe you would know.

00:07:09.860 I don't know what the conversations you've had with Charlie behind the scenes.

00:07:12.120 And I've had many conversations with Andrew Colvitt and Charlie.

00:07:17.040 What kind of legacy succession planning, you know, insurance planning do you think Charlie had?

00:07:23.980 What kind of conversations?

00:07:25.460 He's not a business guy.

00:07:26.580 He's not a financial guy.

00:07:27.740 He's an insurance guy like you are.

00:07:29.140 No, he became a business guy.

00:07:31.240 But eventually, Pat's been doing this.

00:07:33.480 What do you think Charlie had in place?

00:07:35.780 What kind of planning do you think he said?

00:07:37.360 I don't know.

00:07:38.240 Here's what I would tell you.

00:07:40.560 Historically, if you study living trust and estate planning,

00:07:45.780 Rob, can you pull up a list of celebrities and billionaires

00:07:51.500 who had no living trust and estate planning?

00:07:54.060 Okay, just if you go through a list of names.

00:07:56.320 Billionaires?

00:07:56.720 Vinny, when I tell you how long the list is, it's unbelievable.

00:08:04.780 There was a poster made in the insurance industry that was going everywhere

00:08:08.060 from Insurance News Net back in the days.

00:08:10.960 Look at that.

00:08:11.860 Prince, $300 million.

00:08:13.120 No will.

00:08:13.880 Years of legal value.

00:08:14.540 Aretha Fankrow, no formal will.

00:08:16.140 Not even a state plan.

00:08:17.080 Not slats.

00:08:18.200 Not living trust. 0.96

00:08:19.080 Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse.

00:08:21.140 None.

00:08:21.960 No plan.

00:08:22.540 Kurt Cobain, no proper state plan.

00:08:24.860 Chadwick Boseman, no will.

00:08:26.720 Wife had to go through probate.

00:08:28.120 Chadwick Boseman, okay?

00:08:29.720 Bob Sager, no will.

00:08:31.080 Norm Macdonald, no will.

00:08:32.540 Estate handled by interstitial law.

00:08:36.000 Sonny Bono, no will.

00:08:37.640 James Dean, no will.

00:08:40.100 Look at this.

00:08:40.800 This guy's worth a billion and a half.

00:08:42.240 Howard Hughes, no will.

00:08:43.800 Your friend Pablo Picasso.

00:08:45.160 So I don't know.

00:08:46.220 I think probably things were in place, but to what extent, I don't know.

00:08:51.960 And I'm not going to speculate there.

00:08:53.240 Here's what I will say, Vinny, for me.

00:08:55.440 Where I'll go with this is a couple different things.

00:08:59.320 I'm asking every source, was there a secret service, was there a threat,

00:09:03.720 was there not a threat, no threat?

00:09:06.420 Apparently Vance's team says there was.

00:09:08.900 Another secret service team says there wasn't.

00:09:11.560 TPUSA says there was.

00:09:13.320 Selective hearing, pick and choose, whether you want to say there was

00:09:15.960 or there wasn't.

00:09:16.580 So I don't know that part.

00:09:19.420 Let me finish, Adam.

00:09:21.240 Does it help the fact that the audience wasn't good?

00:09:24.800 No.

00:09:26.140 Does this change optics if the place was full, packed, with room 8,000 people?

00:09:32.620 It would change the positioning.

00:09:34.380 Is she in a place right now that until she sits down and addresses concerns,

00:09:38.780 is she constantly going to be attacked like this for a while?

00:09:41.240 Yes.

00:09:42.340 Who really looked bad, though, at the Turning Point USA event?

00:09:46.000 Only one person looked bad for me.

00:09:47.400 The vice president.

00:09:47.960 The vice president.

00:09:48.820 Because to me, what that made vice president look is that people are not coming to see you.

00:09:55.000 You are one of the young.

00:09:56.120 Who is the top three youngest vice presidents of all time, Rob?

00:10:00.180 Who are the top three youngest vice presidents of all time in the history of America?

00:10:04.680 He's up there.

00:10:05.180 He's up there in the top three.

00:10:06.880 I don't know who is going to be younger than him.

00:10:09.040 It's definitely not going to be Joe Biden when he was a VP to Obama.

00:10:12.020 Who is the youngest vice president?

00:10:13.820 I don't know.

00:10:14.660 But something tells me he's probably in the top three.

00:10:16.800 And you mean to tell me, John, okay, Nixon was 40.

00:10:20.420 Nancy

00:10:22.140 how old is J.D. Vance?

00:10:25.060 Can we just ask? I think he's in his

00:10:26.500 early to mid 40s.

00:10:29.040 He's 41?

00:10:31.560 I'm older than

00:10:32.540 By the way, he was a VP

00:10:34.580 at 40.

00:10:37.080 Just turned 40.

00:10:38.840 So you're talking about one of the youngest

00:10:41.080 you know, he's the third

00:10:42.840 youngest vice president

00:10:44.800 in the history of America and you

00:10:46.900 cannot draw a bigger audience

00:10:48.240 to come and want to hear you?

00:10:50.420 You can't?

00:10:51.740 So, one, if I'm on JD's team, I would be calling TPUSA and saying,

00:10:57.640 guys, did you do a better job promoting this?

00:10:59.860 Like, I'm going to be asking that question.

00:11:01.500 So then let's go to the next one, which is even the bigger concern

00:11:05.820 because here's what you don't want.

00:11:08.720 In this business that you're in, you're in the audience gathering business.

00:11:14.800 When I would go to the event and we talked to the AB team,

00:11:17.740 The guys that we had dinner with at Vegas, if you remember, you know, he was he was there when first time I went to one of his turning point USA events.

00:11:25.840 Charlie wanted to show me the event. So he walked me behind. It was open.

00:11:28.800 He says, look at this and we're going to do this. He was so proud because events are so hard.

00:11:34.060 It is so hard and so taxing. And someone has to care about hitting the numbers and all that stuff.

00:11:39.320 But to me today, TPUSA has a bigger problem because the face of TPUSA doesn't draw an audience.

00:11:48.540 There is nothing else that's going to draw an audience.

00:11:51.740 How many times are people going to be sitting there saying they'll go to one event?

00:11:56.640 Like imagine the day, you know, Jobs died.

00:11:59.900 We mourned.

00:12:01.000 Boom, people moved on.

00:12:02.160 Reagan died.

00:12:03.040 You mourn.

00:12:03.960 People move on.

00:12:04.960 What's the reality of it when we die?

00:12:06.580 Can you imagine if I die and I tell all of you guys, hey, every day I want you to come to the cemetery and mourn the loss of my life.

00:12:16.400 Every day.

00:12:17.560 Don't you think that's a little weird?

00:12:18.980 Of course.

00:12:20.120 Why would that be a little bit weird?

00:12:22.400 Because you know we have lives.

00:12:25.080 We have things that we have to do.

00:12:25.940 You guys got to move on.

00:12:26.900 Yeah.

00:12:27.500 You got to, as important as we think we are, hey, like this, you're here, you're gone.

00:12:32.020 People have things they got to do, Tom.

00:12:34.000 People have things they got to handle.

00:12:35.220 So what is the brand now?

00:12:39.260 Is it every time coming and it's like, wow, amount of pain.

00:12:44.360 People are not going to come to that over and over again.

00:12:46.740 They're not.

00:12:47.820 This is why people have one funeral.

00:12:50.620 And even the Bible says what when we die?

00:12:53.100 Like dust, you're gone, right?

00:12:56.080 What happens?

00:12:56.920 Dust in the wind.

00:12:57.560 Yeah, so to me, you know, a part of this, just yesterday, I'm talking to Tico.

00:13:04.520 and last night he's in bed with us

00:13:07.120 and Jennifer's like, babe, you got to go to your bed.

00:13:09.580 And I'm like, babe, it's our little boy.

00:13:11.220 Let him, he said, babe, this guy,

00:13:12.340 there's, last thing he is is a little boy

00:13:14.000 laying in there and just, he's talking about Charlie last night.

00:13:19.020 Really?

00:13:19.400 Yeah, he's talking about Charlie last night.

00:13:20.840 It's a thing in a family.

00:13:23.440 But to me, TPUSA has a problem today

00:13:26.220 to rebrand of where it's going to next.

00:13:29.120 If it's going to be a CPAC, well then great,

00:13:31.520 rebrand to be in a CPAC type of thing

00:13:33.920 where people come up and they speak and they do.

00:13:35.820 And this year, CPAC's event wasn't the craziest event this year.

00:13:39.060 CPAC didn't have a crazy event this year.

00:13:41.120 It wasn't like the best event that they had.

00:13:43.360 But we need CPAC to succeed.

00:13:46.440 Of course.

00:13:47.140 We need TPUSA to succeed.

00:13:49.240 You need a place for kids to go to.

00:13:51.420 But if they keep going like this, and another video, and another video,

00:13:55.140 and you know, like when you're winning, the moment you lose,

00:13:58.880 vultures are waiting to show the world that you're losing.

00:14:01.980 They can't wait, God forbid, a little bit change.

00:14:04.640 Did you see?

00:14:05.440 Did you see?

00:14:06.000 Did you see?

00:14:06.380 And haters want to celebrate that.

00:14:09.740 TPUSA as an organization can't be sitting around right now thinking everything's going to work out

00:14:13.140 and people are going to keep showing up just because they're going to show up.

00:14:16.400 They're not.

00:14:16.880 They're not.

00:14:17.220 The market's moving.

00:14:18.140 And those kids have gone to another man that they're listening to or different men and women.

00:14:22.680 So unless you think it's just going to be Andrew, you think it's just going to be, no.

00:14:26.900 You got work to do.

00:14:27.720 So I'm more talking from the business standpoint, and I'm more talking about J.D.

00:14:32.560 I'd be having a conversation.

00:14:33.740 This has not been the best six weeks for J.D.

00:14:36.840 If you think about 2020, it's not been the best six weeks for J.D., okay?

00:14:41.200 You're not drawing an audience.

00:14:43.540 Hopefully, if he goes and closes the deal with Iran,

00:14:45.820 that could be a first victory that he's been desperately needing in a long time. 0.50

00:14:49.280 You know, it's a lot of different things that's going on.

00:14:51.280 But one of the comments he did make at the TPUSA event

00:14:54.200 was a question that was asked about the Pope.

00:14:56.740 And, Rob, I don't know if you have that clip or not.

00:14:58.340 Vance tells Pope Leo to be careful.

00:15:02.840 Okay?

00:15:03.260 Holman says, leave politics alone.

00:15:06.600 Is that the clip, Rob, that he's being asked?

00:15:08.460 Which clip is that when Vance tells Pope Leo to be careful?

00:15:11.000 No, that was a different clip.

00:15:12.300 Let me grab it real quick.

00:15:13.140 But is it around the same context, around the same story?

00:15:16.100 No, the clip I had was him explaining why Erica Kirk was not in attendance.

00:15:20.380 Okay, so then that's not the same clip.

00:15:22.180 But as you're going and you're seeing what's going on here,

00:15:25.900 Go back to the quote.

00:15:28.740 Let me see what the quote was, if this is the same clip.

00:15:34.800 Yeah, go ahead and play the clip.

00:15:36.480 This is it.

00:15:36.900 Go for it.

00:15:37.300 It's the same one.

00:15:38.800 When the Pope says that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword,

00:15:44.840 there is a thousand-year, more than a thousand-year tradition of just war theory, okay?

00:15:50.740 Now, we can, of course, have disagreements about whether this or that conflict is just,

00:15:54.660 But I think that it's important, in the same way that it's important for the Vice President

00:15:58.140 of the United States to be careful when I talk about matters of public policy, I think

00:16:02.480 it's very, very important for the Pope to be careful when he talks about matters of

00:16:06.840 theology.

00:16:07.800 And I think that one of these issues here is that there has been, again, hey, random

00:16:13.660 dude screaming, I told you I'd respond to your point, I just want to respond to this

00:16:16.860 question first.

00:16:18.380 But I think one of the issues here is that if you're going to opine on matters of theology,

00:16:23.940 You've got to be careful.

00:16:25.380 You've got to make sure it's anchored in the truth.

00:16:27.360 And that's one of the things that I try to do.

00:16:29.480 And it's certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they're Catholic or Protestant.

00:16:32.860 Now, to remember one.

00:16:35.500 Yeah, so look, this is my position on this.

00:16:40.500 What do I think the Pope needs to say?

00:16:43.340 Like, you know, and who am I to say what the Pope needs to say?

00:16:46.200 But what would I like to hear from the Pope?

00:16:49.020 You know what I would like to hear from the Pope?

00:16:50.580 No war.

00:16:51.040 that's not a

00:16:53.380 what do you call it

00:16:54.620 no I hope that's what he's saying

00:16:57.580 you know I'm not 0.87

00:16:58.720 can you imagine if the Pope is like let's go slay him

00:17:01.700 I don't want to hear that from the Pope

00:17:04.040 you know

00:17:05.100 some of us that are super like whenever

00:17:07.320 I'm with my pastor I know what my pastor

00:17:09.680 is going to tell me hey

00:17:11.300 are you spending time with the family

00:17:13.280 can you imagine if the pastor says

00:17:15.160 you got to work harder

00:17:16.760 you got to go work

00:17:19.220 100 hours a week

00:17:20.340 My pastor's like, hey, go spend time.

00:17:22.440 Hey, go open up the Bible.

00:17:24.440 Hey, go to church. 0.99

00:17:25.500 That's the job to say that.

00:17:27.220 So I'm not somebody that doesn't understand the position that he's got.

00:17:31.520 And then the criticism, handle it.

00:17:33.520 You know, what Trump's got to do.

00:17:35.480 Whenever you choose to become a president, it's not everybody's job.

00:17:38.340 But to me, on the JD side today with what's going on,

00:17:42.500 it's going to be interesting how he's going to maneuver going into 2020.

00:17:45.900 I'm actually really curious as a case study to see how he's going to handle that part.

00:17:50.560 Because it's interesting, right?

00:17:52.480 He is with TPUSA, Erica Kirk, audience comes.

00:17:57.520 But then on the other side, he has a group that's on his side that's non-interventionist, isolationist.

00:18:04.440 And then the other side, you know, this is going to be 2028 Vinny as a guy that just loves to see competition.

00:18:12.180 I am just so curious in how all these guys are going to be maneuvering.

00:18:15.000 Can I ask you one question really quick?

00:18:16.220 Yeah, of course.

00:18:16.560 What is the percentage that you think that J.D. Vance does not run in 2028

00:18:23.400 and let this all fall on?

00:18:24.880 He has to run.

00:18:25.860 I think he has to run.

00:18:26.840 So what's the percentage of him not running?

00:18:28.920 He really is that talented, though.

00:18:31.220 He's that talented and formidable.

00:18:32.740 The problem what he's doing right now is if he's not too careful.

00:18:35.940 See, Charlie was talented extremely, but he wasn't like this.

00:18:43.780 Charlie was like

00:18:45.780 loose

00:18:46.760 JD's a little bit like this

00:18:50.040 he's a little bit like

00:18:51.740 and Trump's not like this

00:18:53.180 Trump is a little bit like himself

00:18:54.640 so I don't know if this

00:18:57.540 goody two-shoe type of

00:18:58.840 great story upbringing that he has

00:19:01.960 but what he had to overcome in the book that he wrote

00:19:03.740 all of that

00:19:05.020 it's a phenomenal testimony

00:19:06.240 but he has to run

00:19:08.060 there's no way in the world

00:19:09.420 it's a less than 10% chance he doesn't run for me

00:19:11.860 Less than 10%.

00:19:12.660 Oh, yeah, he's going to run.

00:19:13.560 Less than 10% he doesn't run.

00:19:14.960 Because there is still so many things to happen.

00:19:17.620 But if I'm J.D. and his team, I'm going to be working with the president to have a few big victories.

00:19:22.780 Because I don't – what's J.D.'s biggest victory so far?

00:19:26.420 Becoming the vice president.

00:19:27.720 Outside of that, what's the biggest victory so far?

00:19:30.360 Being in this conversation.

00:19:32.300 No, but that's not what I'm asking.

00:19:33.720 Honestly, you want to know what the biggest victory is?

00:19:35.700 The way he handled the debate with Tim Walz.

00:19:37.640 It was so beautiful and classy.

00:19:40.680 Outside of that, what's the biggest victory?

00:19:43.280 He needs some of it.

00:19:44.340 He needs some of it.

00:19:45.320 So I don't know.

00:19:45.820 I don't know what's going to happen.

00:19:46.860 Of course, he's gotten more poll because he's ahead of Rubio,

00:19:50.080 still on the Calci polls.

00:19:51.580 But we'll see.

00:19:52.780 Tom, your thoughts on this?

00:19:54.580 Well, two things.

00:19:56.820 TPUSA is a critically important organization.

00:20:00.600 They helped swing the election.

00:20:02.360 Some people say they did swing the election.

00:20:04.660 Charlie personally gave us all the statistics in Arizona

00:20:07.560 about the number of kids that they registered,

00:20:09.700 that they were registered Republicans, and that the math they show that they delivered the state

00:20:15.520 of Arizona in the election. Wow. How many organizations can say they've done that?

00:20:20.920 And he did it for a couple places. And he was up there moving kids into the debate realm

00:20:28.080 to really wonder what they're thinking, why they were thinking. So he was permanently

00:20:31.980 teaching kids how to think and how to think about these things. That is the history of TPUSA.

00:20:38.120 And you touched on it, Pat. My concern is that the succession is not here and people are not coming to it.

00:20:45.120 And so what are you going to be, TPUSA? TPUSA has to find its future without Charlie.

00:20:50.900 Are you just going to be a pack and collect money from the super donors have been supporting you and give that to campaigns?

00:20:57.000 That's one option, you know, but who's going to be up at the microphone doing it?

00:21:01.660 But it's a critically important organization, touched all these kids' lives in a positive way,

00:21:06.420 and they've got to figure out the secession pass forward.

00:21:08.840 That's my opinion.

00:21:09.660 So I think we're all going to be in for a big disappointment.

00:21:12.660 We've been so lucky over the last 20 years, whether you're Democrat or Republican,

00:21:18.000 to have two of the most consequential nominees, candidates, and presidents we've ever seen.

00:21:26.240 Barack Obama whether you voted for him like him dislike him was a transformational president

00:21:34.160 transformational one of one Trump that and then some what we're about to see in 2026 and midterms

00:21:44.160 in 2028 is a major letdown because if you're judging J.D. Vance or Rubio or whatever woke

00:21:52.820 person they come over the left gavin newsom uh jb pritzker gretchen whitmer you pick a name

00:21:58.760 none of them none of them biden included are going to have the obama quality the cachet the

00:22:05.700 personality none of that and ain't nobody in america unless the rock smells what he's cooking

00:22:11.900 all of a sudden turns into a businessman is going to be able to duplicate what trump did

00:22:15.700 so we're judging jd vance marco ruby all these people in the lens of the goats you know you talk

00:22:22.300 about charlie's one of one i think he's one of one good luck replacing one of one good luck you

00:22:28.500 know coming after a trump i don't see it's gonna happen so i think you know they say this is the

00:22:32.780 most consequential election 2028 2020 20 it's the most consequential election this might be the most

00:22:39.260 important election because we're not gonna have a trump maybe we're not gonna have an obama biden

00:22:45.000 people have been there forever there's gonna be all new cast of characters but be prepared for a

00:22:49.620 Let down.

Valuetainment - April 18, 2026

“TPUSA Has A BIGGER Problem” - Vance Fails To Fill Seats At Empty Turning Point Event

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