“TPUSA Has A BIGGER Problem” - Vance Fails To Fill Seats At Empty Turning Point Event
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CEO Erica Kirk cancels a highly anticipated appearance with J.D. Vance receiving serious threats. Andrew Colbert, a spokesperson of the conservative students activist, stepped in for Charlie Kirk s widow at the Athens, Georgia event and informed the crowd why the grieving mother of two couldn t be there to interview the Vice President who still attended the event.
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Turn to Point USA CEO Erica Kirk cancels a highly anticipated appearance with J.D. Vance receiving serious threats.
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Andrew Colbert, a spokesperson of the conservative students activist,
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stepped in for Charlie Kirk's widow at the Athens-Georgia event and informed the crowd why the grieving mother of two couldn't be there
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to interview the vice president who still attended the event.
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I'm going to address it right in front of my vice president.
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I'm on stage here instead of my friend Erica Kirk because I'm fortunate she received more,
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It's a terrible reflection on the state of reality and the state of the country, part-time jobs out of attacking.
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COVID added, arguing that some have made part-time jobs out of attacking.
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Erica Vance indicated he was aware of the threats against Erica 37 and was worried to the University of Georgia event would be canceled,
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but decided to attend the consulting with Secret Service.
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He said, Secret Service detail, and I said, you know what?
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Let's let Erica do what she needs to do for herself and her family.
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I'm sure Andrew will fill in, and let's go make this an amazing event.
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The vice president lamented the two separate living hells Kirk has been subjected to
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since her husband's assassination last September,
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namely the shocking public murder of her children, father, and intense online criticism.
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Well, Pat, it's pulling out by saying that there's very serious threats,
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and then right after the Secret Service says there was no credible threats, none.
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Secret Service determines no credible threat to UGA rally after Erica Kirk's cancellation.
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And for anybody that's been around, and we all have been, but a lot of people at home, they don't understand.
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Guys, they come secret service weeks beforehand
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They push buttons to make sure there's no freaking bombs
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If, Rob, you could show the video, you don't have to play the audio from the other side, that's the audience.
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Allegedly, apparently, there was free tickets, so nobody showed up.
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And that's the bigger problem that nobody wants to admit.
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Young men aren't even showing up anymore, not even for the vice president.
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And he's a young, you know, he hangs out with, you know, Theo Vaughn.
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That should tell you everything that you need to know.
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pretending i want everybody out there who understands god rest his soul and i love this
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guy to death charlie kirk you are not going to relate replace charlie kirk i don't care
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the charlie kirk show they have the empty chair and these guys are just talking you're not going
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to replace him and we're seeing it i don't even care ben shapiro was on a couple days after he's
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like i'm gonna carry the torch and i'm gonna help no you're not you cannot replace this guy and i
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think pat now the time is coming where they're like erica's fire and i get it she was there for
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a second that it's just they're losing it they're losing these young guys because there's nobody
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that has that fire and that message that charlie kirk had so that's my that's my take
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i feel horrible for the kirk family uh there's not a lot that i'm like i'm going 10 toes down
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on this but i'm going 10 toes down on this here's what i predict tyler robinson killed charlie kirk
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you might have questions of motives and of other people who are involved
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at the end of the day they're going to find tyler robinson guilty and if i'm wrong i will come back
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here on the show and say my bad erica kirk did nothing wrong she's a loyal and faithful wife
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and what she's going through after the assassination and murder of her husband
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what she's had to put through is disgusting and that's the best word that i could give
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horrible they have two kids children that are never going to spend time with their father
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and meanwhile people are vilifying erica you can question why she's wearing mascara
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and you can question her choice of jewelry or glitter theatrics or why she's business you can
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ask all those questions but to accuse her of killing her husband accusing her of being happy
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that her husband is dead accusing the turning point people of being joyful that their leader
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and founder is gone to me is so self-serving and disgusting i can't even imagine and i hate to even
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draw this comparison god forbid anything happened with pbd you had a knee injury all i can think
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about is pbd how's your knee when pbd loses his voice i go pat how you doing you need some tea
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what's going hey pat's a pretty crazy freaking driver you know i am about driving how many years
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did i say you need a driver bro how many years did i say you need a driver because i understand
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he's the golden goose charlie was the golden goose of turning point usa to me it's nonsensical
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and downright stupid to think that his internal team and his wife would want to see him go hold
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on okay to me it's so stupid and laughable and i really encourage people to do better out there
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and do anything you might not support them but don't go out of your way to ridicule condemn
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and outright hate them because you don't like erica kirk's makeup or how she's acting today
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if you had someone that you're married to a famous person that was assassinated and murdered
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in front of you then you can speak until then take a seat but to the point of the story her
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saying that there was a credible threat and then secret service is saying no there wasn't a threat
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Either Erica Kirk is lying or the Secret Service is lying, number one.
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Number two, if, God forbid, this guy died, I'm telling you right now,
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There's no way we're doing the PBD podcast without PBD.
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I think you guys, call it the TPUSA podcast and put Charlie's face in the back like a mural.
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I don't know what the conversations you've had with Charlie behind the scenes.
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And I've had many conversations with Andrew Colvitt and Charlie.
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What kind of legacy succession planning, you know, insurance planning do you think Charlie had?
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Historically, if you study living trust and estate planning,
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Rob, can you pull up a list of celebrities and billionaires
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Vinny, when I tell you how long the list is, it's unbelievable.
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There was a poster made in the insurance industry that was going everywhere
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I think probably things were in place, but to what extent, I don't know.
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Where I'll go with this is a couple different things.
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I'm asking every source, was there a secret service, was there a threat,
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Selective hearing, pick and choose, whether you want to say there was
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Does it help the fact that the audience wasn't good?
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Does this change optics if the place was full, packed, with room 8,000 people?
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Is she in a place right now that until she sits down and addresses concerns,
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is she constantly going to be attacked like this for a while?
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Who really looked bad, though, at the Turning Point USA event?
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Because to me, what that made vice president look is that people are not coming to see you.
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Who is the top three youngest vice presidents of all time, Rob?
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Who are the top three youngest vice presidents of all time in the history of America?
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I don't know who is going to be younger than him.
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It's definitely not going to be Joe Biden when he was a VP to Obama.
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But something tells me he's probably in the top three.
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And you mean to tell me, John, okay, Nixon was 40.
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So, one, if I'm on JD's team, I would be calling TPUSA and saying,
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So then let's go to the next one, which is even the bigger concern
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In this business that you're in, you're in the audience gathering business.
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When I would go to the event and we talked to the AB team,
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The guys that we had dinner with at Vegas, if you remember, you know, he was he was there when first time I went to one of his turning point USA events.
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Charlie wanted to show me the event. So he walked me behind. It was open.
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He says, look at this and we're going to do this. He was so proud because events are so hard.
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It is so hard and so taxing. And someone has to care about hitting the numbers and all that stuff.
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But to me today, TPUSA has a bigger problem because the face of TPUSA doesn't draw an audience.
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There is nothing else that's going to draw an audience.
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How many times are people going to be sitting there saying they'll go to one event?
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Can you imagine if I die and I tell all of you guys, hey, every day I want you to come to the cemetery and mourn the loss of my life.
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You got to, as important as we think we are, hey, like this, you're here, you're gone.
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Is it every time coming and it's like, wow, amount of pain.
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People are not going to come to that over and over again.
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Yeah, so to me, you know, a part of this, just yesterday, I'm talking to Tico.
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and Jennifer's like, babe, you got to go to your bed.
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laying in there and just, he's talking about Charlie last night.
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where people come up and they speak and they do.
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And this year, CPAC's event wasn't the craziest event this year.
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But if they keep going like this, and another video, and another video,
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and you know, like when you're winning, the moment you lose,
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vultures are waiting to show the world that you're losing.
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They can't wait, God forbid, a little bit change.
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TPUSA as an organization can't be sitting around right now thinking everything's going to work out
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and people are going to keep showing up just because they're going to show up.
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And those kids have gone to another man that they're listening to or different men and women.
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So unless you think it's just going to be Andrew, you think it's just going to be, no.
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So I'm more talking from the business standpoint, and I'm more talking about J.D.
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If you think about 2020, it's not been the best six weeks for J.D., okay?
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Hopefully, if he goes and closes the deal with Iran,
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that could be a first victory that he's been desperately needing in a long time.
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You know, it's a lot of different things that's going on.
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But one of the comments he did make at the TPUSA event
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And, Rob, I don't know if you have that clip or not.
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Which clip is that when Vance tells Pope Leo to be careful?
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But is it around the same context, around the same story?
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No, the clip I had was him explaining why Erica Kirk was not in attendance.
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But as you're going and you're seeing what's going on here,
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Let me see what the quote was, if this is the same clip.
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When the Pope says that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword,
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there is a thousand-year, more than a thousand-year tradition of just war theory, okay?
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Now, we can, of course, have disagreements about whether this or that conflict is just,
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But I think that it's important, in the same way that it's important for the Vice President
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of the United States to be careful when I talk about matters of public policy, I think
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it's very, very important for the Pope to be careful when he talks about matters of
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And I think that one of these issues here is that there has been, again, hey, random
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dude screaming, I told you I'd respond to your point, I just want to respond to this
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But I think one of the issues here is that if you're going to opine on matters of theology,
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You've got to make sure it's anchored in the truth.
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And it's certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they're Catholic or Protestant.
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Like, you know, and who am I to say what the Pope needs to say?
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You know what I would like to hear from the Pope?
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can you imagine if the Pope is like let's go slay him
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So I'm not somebody that doesn't understand the position that he's got.
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Whenever you choose to become a president, it's not everybody's job.
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But to me, on the JD side today with what's going on,
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it's going to be interesting how he's going to maneuver going into 2020.
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I'm actually really curious as a case study to see how he's going to handle that part.
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But then on the other side, he has a group that's on his side that's non-interventionist, isolationist.
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And then the other side, you know, this is going to be 2028 Vinny as a guy that just loves to see competition.
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I am just so curious in how all these guys are going to be maneuvering.
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What is the percentage that you think that J.D. Vance does not run in 2028
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The problem what he's doing right now is if he's not too careful.
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See, Charlie was talented extremely, but he wasn't like this.
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but what he had to overcome in the book that he wrote
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it's a less than 10% chance he doesn't run for me
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Because there is still so many things to happen.
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But if I'm J.D. and his team, I'm going to be working with the president to have a few big victories.
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Because I don't – what's J.D.'s biggest victory so far?
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Outside of that, what's the biggest victory so far?
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Honestly, you want to know what the biggest victory is?
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Of course, he's gotten more poll because he's ahead of Rubio,
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Charlie personally gave us all the statistics in Arizona
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that they were registered Republicans, and that the math they show that they delivered the state
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of Arizona in the election. Wow. How many organizations can say they've done that?
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And he did it for a couple places. And he was up there moving kids into the debate realm
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to really wonder what they're thinking, why they were thinking. So he was permanently
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teaching kids how to think and how to think about these things. That is the history of TPUSA.
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And you touched on it, Pat. My concern is that the succession is not here and people are not coming to it.
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And so what are you going to be, TPUSA? TPUSA has to find its future without Charlie.
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Are you just going to be a pack and collect money from the super donors have been supporting you and give that to campaigns?
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That's one option, you know, but who's going to be up at the microphone doing it?
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But it's a critically important organization, touched all these kids' lives in a positive way,
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and they've got to figure out the secession pass forward.
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So I think we're all going to be in for a big disappointment.
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We've been so lucky over the last 20 years, whether you're Democrat or Republican,
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to have two of the most consequential nominees, candidates, and presidents we've ever seen.
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Barack Obama whether you voted for him like him dislike him was a transformational president
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transformational one of one Trump that and then some what we're about to see in 2026 and midterms
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in 2028 is a major letdown because if you're judging J.D. Vance or Rubio or whatever woke
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person they come over the left gavin newsom uh jb pritzker gretchen whitmer you pick a name
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none of them none of them biden included are going to have the obama quality the cachet the
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personality none of that and ain't nobody in america unless the rock smells what he's cooking
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all of a sudden turns into a businessman is going to be able to duplicate what trump did
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so we're judging jd vance marco ruby all these people in the lens of the goats you know you talk
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about charlie's one of one i think he's one of one good luck replacing one of one good luck you
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know coming after a trump i don't see it's gonna happen so i think you know they say this is the
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most consequential election 2028 2020 20 it's the most consequential election this might be the most
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important election because we're not gonna have a trump maybe we're not gonna have an obama biden
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people have been there forever there's gonna be all new cast of characters but be prepared for a