Valuetainment - April 30, 2026


＂Trump Has Been GRIDLOCKED＂ - The SECRET NATO Provision Handcuffing Trump EXPOSED


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In this episode, the guys talk about NATO and why we should all be paying our minimum 2% NATO dues. Also, we talk about why we need 2/3rds support from the senate to leave NATO.

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00:00:00.000 Now that we're looking at OPEC, on the NATO side, no one's ever left.
00:00:03.980 A lot of people are saying, hey, Trump's threatening to leave.
00:00:06.160 He's been threatening to leave for a long time.
00:00:07.760 And if you, one of the most important charts, I don't know if you guys seen this chart on
00:00:10.760 now, Rob, if you want to pull this chart up, Humberto, Conor, if you can send this chart
00:00:14.660 to Rob, it shows from the moment Obama wasn't president to today, how many NATO members
00:00:22.240 started paying their minimum 2%.
00:00:23.980 I don't know if you've ever seen this.
00:00:25.760 It's from 2011 to 2025.
00:00:29.020 It shows that at first it was only two or three that were paying their minimum 2%.
00:00:35.680 Conor, Humberto, if you can text it to him, Humberto's working on it, Rob,
00:00:39.420 if you're going to get the text any minute now.
00:00:40.980 And it goes from two, three, three, three, four, three, five,
00:00:47.380 nothing changing under Obama, under any of the previous presidents.
00:00:52.340 And then all of a sudden Trump gets in and then that three becomes a four,
00:00:57.480 It becomes a five.
00:00:58.500 This is by far the most important chart to show because this leads to something.
00:01:02.980 Rob, have they sent it to you yet or not?
00:01:05.020 You have to see this chart.
00:01:06.340 I just texted him again.
00:01:07.460 Connor has it.
00:01:08.520 This chart has to be shown because it's all part of what it leads to.
00:01:14.360 But then when you go into this chart, there's one thing Biden did in 23.
00:01:18.760 If Biden did it or somebody else, who knows?
00:01:20.600 in 23 they put something in law through congress i believe that in order for u.s to choose to leave
00:01:30.000 nato you need two-thirds support from senate we've never had that before they just did this 23 so
00:01:37.060 imagine how much the biden administration knew or nato knew that hey if we're negotiating we need
00:01:43.080 help with ukraine give us money for ukraine support us and at the same time can you kind of put that
00:01:47.380 think in there that if u.s chooses to leave you need two-thirds senate so what happens if you got
00:01:52.040 two-thirds senate you're not going to leave who the hell is going to get two-thirds senate yeah
00:01:54.780 you're not going to be able to leave so these guys either knew either nato knew that trump
00:01:59.960 would leave because he offered those threats to everybody publicly or number two u.s kind of sat
00:02:06.040 there and knew trump's going to get elected either way to me the way i read it is the fact that hey
00:02:10.240 we knew this guy's going to come back if he does come back we need to be protected how are we
00:02:15.200 protected i don't know this is the chart watch this so in 2014 only three countries from nato
00:02:21.100 were paying if you look at the bottom left blue in 2014 only three were paying the minimum two 0.87
00:02:25.520 percent 15 3 16 4 trump comes in oh shit he's not calling out nobody pays their minimum trump's 0.95
00:02:32.060 first term begins in 17 goes to 5 18 7 19 9 then 11 then he's out biden comes and it drops like i 0.99
00:02:40.720 don't need to really pay 23 goes back to 11 trump gets back in there look what happens
00:02:45.100 23 and then 30 plus so now 32 out of whatever the number is they're not paying their minimum two
00:02:52.920 percent spain who is sitting there bitching and saying well you can't come use our military i'm
00:02:59.020 sorry you can't do what well you can we pay 65 67 68 percent of all the we spend a trillion dollars
00:03:05.520 on our military you guys don't spain's all the way at the bottom of doing 1.1 percent their gdp
00:03:10.460 by the way 1.2 percent their gdp yeah where's that money going that's but the point where i'm going
00:03:15.560 with this is do you think that gridlock was intentional to not allow trump to be able to
00:03:20.700 leave because now how the hell is he going to leave he can't even he can threaten all he wants
00:03:24.780 he can't leave because he needs senate support i explained so much because we've been asking why
00:03:28.800 like what gives nado the audacity to do these things and to say um you know things are straight
00:03:32.960 up against the trump administration but uh i yeah i had no idea they slipped that in oh you didn't
00:03:37.080 know that right can you pull up the bill there's a bill that they passed umberto can you send a
00:03:43.100 bill here so we have it yeah was it part of the bigger bill so quietly they did it so quietly
00:03:49.480 that to do it now apparently you need two-thirds uh um two-thirds to pass to leave that's everything
00:03:57.800 it's like where's the leverage come from where does the leverage come from where does the leverage
00:04:01.420 come from he almost has to get creative and uh like find another way to i guess not give them
00:04:06.460 money or not give them support and stuff straight up leaving but or you create parallel structures
00:04:10.560 you say okay we're stuck in nato but we'll start to create another alliance over here and just hope
00:04:15.320 nato kind of goes away right which again i think that's what's that's the intent here like the opec
00:04:20.380 business in the uae by itself is really not that significant it's it's significance is in it's an
00:04:26.140 example of this realignment that's taking place so if you're the trump administration you think
00:04:29.800 nato's worthless but you can't get out of it you got to try something else you got to try to um
00:04:35.060 You know, like the Peace Conference or whatever that was, kind of recreating the United Nations,
00:04:39.840 a group of peaceful people coming in and doing what the United Nations is supposed to do.
00:04:44.080 So you create parallel structures, which starts by demolishing some of the old alliances,
00:04:49.980 some of the old structures in the organization.
00:04:52.460 It's called the Section 1250A National Defense Authorization Act Fiscal for 2024 Law
00:04:57.900 designed to prevent a president from unilaterally withdrawn from NATO.
00:05:02.500 And by the way, you know who signed on it?
00:05:03.780 Cain and Rubio, which is very interesting.
00:05:05.780 Wow.
00:05:06.300 It's very interesting.
00:05:07.480 Two-thirds on the bottom.
00:05:08.560 To withdraw from NATO, one of the following must happen.
00:05:12.400 Two-thirds of Senate has to prove it or Congress passes a law authorizing withdrawal.
00:05:17.820 I couldn't think of two more different people out there, too.
00:05:20.260 Tim Cain and Marco Rubio.
00:05:22.240 Yeah.
00:05:22.580 Well, I think you guys are losing your minds.
00:05:25.820 Tell us.
00:05:26.680 Bring us back home.
00:05:27.800 If you don't want to, you can just let something rot if you don't like it.
00:05:31.320 but NATO's really important. It's kind of sad that we have pissed off NATO and they're pissed
00:05:38.060 off at us. Vladimir Putin had a lot to do with the Europeans starting to spend more money on
00:05:43.560 defense and they're realizing they need defense. Just spending money. Europe is really good at
00:05:49.600 spending money down rat holes. What counts is military effectiveness, spending it in the right
00:05:54.360 place. And that actually was even worse in Europe's case than the mere spending of money. So Putin's
00:06:00.220 there. Europe's woken up that it needs to provide us defense. This is a good and great thing.
00:06:04.280 These are our allies, our friends, the best democracies we got around the world,
00:06:08.480 big trading partners. I don't know why you guys want to. You're naive. You're naive. You're so
00:06:14.560 sweet. You're part of it. I thought you were the grumpy economist. So you mean to tell me you don't
00:06:19.780 want your commander in chief to have the ability to leave NATO and NATO is afraid to make sure they
00:06:24.840 stand up to absolutely not i want this i want the senate and congress there's a major treaty
00:06:30.260 a major u.s commitment you support wait a major commitment of them to the u.s yeah i want to go
00:06:35.540 back to the nice world where we had treaties that were ratified by the senate and agreed to and
00:06:40.260 lasted over multiple administrations we don't go back to trump's in biden's out trump's in
00:06:45.960 gavin newsom's out that's a crazy way to run a country but that's the world we live in no but
00:06:51.480 But wait a minute.
00:06:52.200 I just want to qualify this.
00:06:53.200 The world of rule by executive order that changes every four years?
00:06:57.020 I'm not saying it's good.
00:06:58.340 I'm just saying that's to be pragmatic and realistic.
00:07:00.860 By the way, NATO is not that important anymore anyway.
00:07:04.580 The focus needs to be on the Pacific.
00:07:06.420 Be careful.
00:07:06.840 You're going to upset me.
00:07:07.860 Because to him, NATO is very important.
00:07:09.300 I told you.
00:07:09.740 You got me fired up.
00:07:10.360 It's a false concept in the first place.
00:07:11.760 Tell us what you said about NATO is not important.
00:07:13.180 Because originally he said OPEC is not important.
00:07:15.580 You're saying NATO is not important.
00:07:16.400 No, what we should be focusing on is Japan, Philippines, Australia, Indonesia.
00:07:23.720 It should be a NATO or the Pacific.
00:07:25.260 That's where all the focus should be because that's where the flashpoints are right now today.
00:07:29.360 So you like NATO and you want another one out on the other side.
00:07:32.020 I'm with you.
00:07:33.960 No, that's the idea is what is NATO today?
00:07:36.640 Is NATO today what it's supposed to be?
00:07:38.300 I mean, understand the Cold War framework of the pre-1980s or before the 1990s
00:07:44.480 that NATO was essential.
00:07:46.700 It was crucial.
00:07:47.760 I think NATO just antagonized Russia.
00:07:49.800 So I think NATO caused problems with Russia more than anything.
00:07:52.620 Was Russia ever going to really proactively do something against Europe
00:07:55.880 if NATO wasn't approaching on that?
00:07:56.880 I'm sorry.
00:07:57.620 That is Putin propaganda.
00:08:00.000 We actually wanted to invite Russia to join NATO. 0.51
00:08:02.620 We wanted Russia to join the civilized world.
00:08:04.280 But that was back when George Bush looked into his eyes
00:08:06.400 and saw Putin's soul or whatever that was.
00:08:08.440 No, that was actually when Bill Clinton looked into his eyes.
00:08:10.500 Well, you know what happened with Bill?
00:08:11.880 But you know what happened with Bill?
00:08:13.060 But what happened?
00:08:15.380 What happened, though?
00:08:16.340 Finish the story.
00:08:18.980 We didn't want to join.
00:08:20.240 Which part of the story do you want to finish?
00:08:21.360 No, no, no.
00:08:21.980 The part about Putin and Clinton are having a call and he says, look, let's just finish this.
00:08:25.680 I'll join NATO.
00:08:27.160 And then Clinton's like, let me make a phone call.
00:08:29.160 And then what happened?
00:08:30.220 He called somebody.
00:08:31.140 Nobody knows who he called.
00:08:33.020 You know the story.
00:08:33.900 Well, Putin turned out to be not the world's greatest Democrat and free marketer and all the rest of it.
00:08:39.900 Look, if Putin goes on the offensive and invades Poland, Estonia, Lithuania,
00:08:46.040 you're going to be damn thankful you've got a NATO to fight back
00:08:48.380 because you need that combined force, good structure.
00:08:51.120 And NATO could have won in Ukraine in about a week if they felt like it.
00:08:54.400 So then there's no danger of invading Poland.
00:08:57.480 Well, there wasn't a danger of invading Ukraine either until it actually happened.
00:09:01.260 I'm really curious because you realize there's a complete audience
00:09:05.140 that's against the narrative that you have of NATO.
00:09:08.940 And I want to go a little bit deeper into this.
00:09:11.020 So Putin says, listen, I don't want any problems with NATO.
00:09:14.040 I'll join NATO.
00:09:15.600 Calls Clinton.
00:09:16.440 They're talking.
00:09:17.580 Clinton says, you will?
00:09:18.940 Yes.
00:09:19.340 Let me make a phone call.
00:09:20.840 Makes a couple phone calls.
00:09:22.680 Calls Putin back and says, look, I can't do anything.
00:09:26.380 Not right now.
00:09:27.120 Maybe later.
00:09:27.720 So the guy is trying to talk to Clinton about trying to eliminate all war.
00:09:32.880 And NATO members don't want him to be a part of it.
00:09:34.840 Why wouldn't they want him to be part of NATO?
00:09:36.680 Well, you've got to join the club, a little bit of democracy before you join NATO.
00:09:42.200 Actually, NATO's a little unsure about Turkey.
00:09:44.340 You want people on your side in NATO if you're going to have a joint military there.
00:09:48.760 So it's too bad Russia developed the way it did into a dictatorship oligarchy.
00:09:54.620 But you can't put Russia in NATO now.
00:09:57.000 It makes no sense.
00:09:58.040 We're basically at war with each other. 0.54
00:09:59.500 No, but if you put Russia, well, not now.
00:10:01.340 I mean, listen, you know, there's never realistic. 0.80
00:10:04.560 I mean, let's face it, Russia was on a path to that direction anyway. 0.85
00:10:07.740 To which path? 0.69
00:10:08.460 To where they are today.
00:10:09.460 I mean, that was Putin's plan from the very beginning.
00:10:11.140 Everybody knows that.
00:10:12.180 But there's also the complete different faction that if you accept Putin to join NATO,
00:10:18.700 people are going to be like, did you guys forget history why we started NATO?
00:10:23.860 What's the purpose of NATO?
00:10:25.480 It was against Soviet Union. 0.91
00:10:27.260 Now that he is part of us, what the hell are we doing spending this money
00:10:31.440 and relying on America to protect NATO?
00:10:33.520 So I'm with John on that.
00:10:36.260 You know, Putin wasn't going to join NATO to be a friend.
00:10:39.980 Putin was going to join NATO to undermine what I'm saying.
00:10:41.640 But before Putin, this is Russia before when Russia went to Putin, then kind of the die was cast. 0.70
00:10:47.500 But in the early 1990s, I don't think there was a world where Russia became like what Poland is today.
00:10:53.480 Russian people want freedom, democracy, all the things they want us like everybody wants us if they get the chance.
00:11:00.420 And there was a world where Russia would do that, become a regular country,
00:11:04.260 heaven knows, join the European Union.
00:11:06.360 NATO would cease to be that important at that point because there's no Russia.
00:11:09.200 Maybe we'd be fighting against China or something of the sort.
00:11:11.340 But once the 97 currency revaluation happened, that was it.
00:11:16.000 Yeah.
00:11:16.260 There was no going back.
00:11:17.280 About 97.
00:11:17.660 That was, die was cast and then it was forever.
00:11:19.720 Remember what James Baker said, though?
00:11:21.780 He said, if the Berlin Wall comes down, we're not going to expand NATO a foot past the Berlin Wall.
00:11:25.880 And, you know, I just sent you a chart, Rob.
00:11:27.540 We expanded well past the Berlin Wall and all the way up to Ukraine.
00:11:31.320 And that was the red line where Putin started going to Ukraine when we started trying to put missiles into Ukraine.
00:11:35.960 So I don't know. Would Russia have gotten aggressive if we can expand NATO all the way up to its doorstep?
00:11:41.200 Yeah. Possibly not.
00:11:43.020 NATO is a defensive alliance.
00:11:45.240 It acted like an offensive alliance over the last 20 years, though. 0.66
00:11:48.860 He supports that.
00:11:50.060 No, I support the expansion of democracy, freedom, and the European Union into Eastern Europe,
00:11:56.300 which has been one of the most wonderful things in our lifetime.
00:11:58.940 Well, one person's democracy expansion is another person's aggression encroachment on your doorstep. 0.91
00:12:03.900 I think there's a big difference in democracy between Poland and Russia.
00:12:06.780 What about what happened in Ukraine's governments?
00:12:08.480 Like when they had a democratically elected president,
00:12:11.880 and then we went in and stirred up a riot and had them ousted Gorbachev, or was it Pereschenko?
00:12:18.740 By the way, just so you know, you have to know his background.
00:12:21.140 So this is not a regular guy.
00:12:22.340 He's one of the only few people in the world that got a bachelor's in national security and a master's in national security.
00:12:28.160 That's his background.
00:12:29.380 So this is the argument.
00:12:31.280 This is the argument where now it's being had.
00:12:33.020 And for me, to be honest with you, I don't like the fact that they have gridlocked the president to not be able to threaten NATO that we can't leave because we're funding it.
00:12:40.300 And we're protecting everybody in NATO.
00:12:42.660 Who are the only three countries in NATO that have nuclear weapons?
00:12:46.800 Forget us.
00:12:47.560 Put us out.
00:12:48.380 That's only two others.
00:12:49.660 France and UK.
00:12:50.440 France and UK.
00:12:51.600 So who has the majority of it?
00:12:53.320 We do.
00:12:54.340 You know, they're kind of pushing around their weight.
00:12:56.380 And then when we need them, you don't want to be there for us?
00:12:58.380 I have a problem with that.
00:12:59.280 Well, it was kind of nice that we had control over the nuclear escalation.
00:13:02.540 And Europe is now figuring out, well, baby, Europe wants control of the nuclear.
00:13:05.900 Here's the problem in getting them to pay.
00:13:08.500 The guy who picks up the bill chooses the restaurant.
00:13:11.260 Back when we picked up the bill, we chose the restaurant, we picked the wine.
00:13:14.420 If they're going to pick up the bill, they have rights to do what they want with the money.
00:13:17.600 and you might not like it anymore.
00:13:19.640 That's not how it works.
00:13:21.400 That's not how.
00:13:22.200 You're paying for water.
00:13:24.020 I'm paying for the bone and ribeye wagyu pee.
00:13:26.780 You ain't paying for nothing.
00:13:28.280 You paid for that little sorbet.
00:13:30.620 Two to three percent of GDP is couch change.
00:13:34.140 No great empire has spent less than 10 percent of GDP.
00:13:37.340 Well, pay the minimum.
00:13:38.080 Europe is paying 50 percent of GDP on social programs.
00:13:42.260 That's their problem, though.
00:13:44.160 Yes, yes, yes. 0.83
00:13:44.940 But two to three percent relative to 50 percent.
00:13:47.280 Even in the U.S., 2% to 3%.
00:13:49.620 Listen, everybody's got to pull their little red wagon.
00:13:51.820 And if you don't, there's a negotiator that shows up and makes everybody uncomfortable.
00:13:55.140 By the way, go back to that chart again, Rob.
00:13:57.500 Go back to the chart.
00:13:58.520 Up until this Donald Trump guy showed up, nobody was paying their fair share.
00:14:03.420 That's also when this Putin guy showed up and showed up in Ukraine.
00:14:05.920 You think that's why they started doing it?
00:14:07.840 Absolutely.
00:14:08.360 You think that's why they started doing it?
00:14:09.740 Then why weren't they doing it under Biden?
00:14:11.220 Why did it fly under Biden then?
00:14:13.460 They took them about a year to get really serious about defense.
00:14:17.320 And Europe is now woken up.
00:14:18.720 But a flatline under Biden.
00:14:21.900 And he was still invading.
00:14:23.160 No, no, no.
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