Trump and Putin discuss Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela, and more in their first phone call, according to Russian news agency TASS. CNN's Peter Bergen and Alex Blumberg react to the news and discuss why the White House leaked the details of the call.
00:02:10.300Why do you need to talk about the call?
00:02:11.960Why do you need to even put it out there?
00:02:14.040Because you have a dozen calls like this every day, right?
00:02:16.720First of all, I don't know who it is, but there's a mole inside the White House, if you want to call it that, a source inside the White House that's dumping nonstop stuff to the Wall Street Journal.
00:02:26.700And that started with the 50-year-old birthday greeting, the Shapely thing, and the signature that Trump sent to Epstein, and then Trump said that he didn't send it to Epstein.
00:02:39.040He sued Murdoch for $10 billion, but then the suit didn't go anywhere because he really did send it to Epstein.
00:02:43.400And so the reason you tell people about the call is that there's moles inside the White House that are going to tell people about the call one way or another because the report came from somebody inside the White House that got signals intelligence picked up that the Russians were sending detailed satellite imagery to the Iranians.
00:03:06.940And so that got dumped into our press from inside.
00:06:21.760No, Greenland is an attack on our allies to help Putin
00:06:27.380Because when you go after NATO and you start attacking NATO, you're helping Putin.
00:06:33.900When you drop the materiel that we were sending to Ukraine and the Biden administration and are not sending it anymore, you're helping Putin.
00:06:44.780When you lift oil sanctions on the Russian oil, on the global oil markets, you're helping Putin.
00:06:52.920So you're telling me we're not helping Putin?
00:06:54.260He hasn't lifted the sanctions, though.
00:09:09.760We killed 32 million Mexicans in the Mexican-American War.
00:09:13.280So what, are you mad that we took over Texas and California?
00:09:16.500Am I mad that we took over Texas and California?
00:09:19.060You know, I'm a realist about history, but this is current contemporary history that if you want to live in the rules-based order that we set up to protect our prosperity and to protect our freedoms here, you have to reject incursions into sovereign territory today.
00:09:38.820I'm not talking about the Mexican-American War or what happened in the 1630s.
00:09:45.540I'm talking about what happened in 2022.
00:09:47.740too. And so if you want to be in a rules-based society and you want to reject this type of
00:09:54.360behavior so that we can maintain dollar supremacy, maintain our freedoms and project our power around
00:10:01.940the world, yeah, you got to reject nonsense like that. Yes, you do. What are you thinking right
00:10:05.380now? Listen to this exchange. So two things. The first thing is I think it's true that Trump has
00:10:13.800some sort of an affinity with Putin. I don't think he's betraying any of his America first
00:10:19.180objectives or anything like that. But there always has been from the media to cabinet members
00:10:24.640commenting, they said, you know, it's like maybe maybe he appreciates his style of leadership,
00:10:31.000not the execution of of billionaires or or of dissidents or the seizure of rightfully owned
00:10:40.880companies, which Putin has done. There's a side of that government, Russian government over there
00:10:46.100that I think we all know is a mob. So, but there's been this something that Trump has appreciated,
00:10:53.380liked, or otherwise been deferential to with Putin. It's always been there. The other side
00:10:58.120of it is, I'm not sure everything, I agree with Anthony on everything. Greenland, I think we were
00:11:03.760thinking a lot about rare earth minerals and a lot about how China at the beginning of the
00:11:10.480administration, that was a big question because a lot of stuff was needed for U.S. manufacturing.
00:11:16.240A lot of those minerals were needed, right? And so I really believe that he was trying to corner
00:11:20.240China and that Greenland represented an opportunity to prevent China from extracting
00:11:26.540and working with rare earth minerals. But what it also did, it did put him into this collision
00:11:32.740with our quote unquote friends in NATO who said, wait a minute, you know, one of one of the European
00:11:40.920countries has done a very good job managing Greenland the same way you've done a reasonable
00:11:45.340job managing Puerto Rico. That's kind of the relationship, right? Greenland is sovereign to
00:11:50.840a point, but it's managed and it gets welfare assistance from European country. Puerto Rico
00:11:58.560has its own independence but it gets support from us so i think there is that going on i i'm i'm not
00:12:06.040sure about the whole chess game that all the moves were helping putin but i do believe that
00:12:11.920the president's been deferential to him but i think there was more in helsinki in helsinki
00:12:17.540when the press asked them do you believe your own intelligence about the russians meddling in the
00:14:54.200Well, let me answer it with a question.
00:14:55.940Has China, by our adversaries and our allies, been perceived as being a more stable trading partner than the United States under Donald Trump, too?
00:22:11.900And if it was the other way around, I don't know what Obama's Supreme Court ruling
00:22:16.700would have been if they tried to remove him from being on the Colorado ballots
00:22:19.880And if one state would have agreed, two, three, four, who knows what could have happened if we had six, seven liberal Supreme Court justices there.
00:22:28.740I know they did, but because it was a conservative majority Supreme Court.
00:22:32.920Look, I mean, a conservative court ruled with Obama on Obamacare.
00:22:38.000They did, and a conservative ruled against Trump on tariffs.
00:22:40.820So the part of what I'm saying is I trust the Constitution because of Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court here, conservatives will typically more side with their values.
00:22:52.400Liberal Supreme Courts will typically side with their political party much more than conservatives will if you draw the line and go through it.
00:22:59.920That has definitely been the case, the decisions over the last 10 years.
00:23:02.420So to me, I realize Trump's a disruptor.
00:23:05.400I realize if we wanted something to happen to completely dismantle.
00:23:09.900And by the way, you know, I'm curious to go here, Tom.
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00:24:44.880You ever want to see how startup CEOs don't typically go take that big corporate job and corporate job guys, the big CEOs typically don't show up during the startup phase.
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