Valuetainment - July 08, 2025


＂Trump's BIGGEST Fumble＂ - Epstein's Client List NEVER EXISTED According To Patel & Bondi BOMBSHELL


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On today's show, Alex Blumberg and Rob and Vanessa talk about the latest development in the Jeffrey Epstein case and why the FBI should release the list of Epstein's clients. They also discuss why the DOJ and FBI are taking so long to release the documents and why it is so important that they do so now.

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00:00:00.000 Story comes out, ABC News, DOJ-FBI review finds no Jeffrey Epstein client list, confirms suicide, that's the memo, that comes out, and Rob, I think you may have a video on this one, not just one, you got a lot of videos that we're going to be going through, folks, on this one here.
00:00:18.360 So to remind folks, as we're going through this, Justice Department and FBI review ordered by President Trump, appointed leadership found no evidence that notorious deceased financier Epstein kept a client list of associates whom he blackmailed or conspired with to victimize dozens of women, stating that investigators did not cover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.
00:00:45.620 The review revealed, released hours of reported footage, perpetrated footage, confirming Epstein died by suicide in Manhattan jail in 2019.
00:00:55.560 The DOJ memo states, perpetuating unfounded theories about Epstein serves neither of those ends.
00:01:05.820 Now, Attorney General Pambani faced criticism from Trump supporters for delays in releasing Epstein's case files, which she attributed to tens of thousands of hours.
00:01:15.020 This is one of the videos.
00:01:16.220 Rob, is this one of the original videos when she talked about it?
00:01:18.560 Yeah, so I have February, March, and April of this year, three different instances where Pam Bondi talks about the Jeffrey Epstein client list.
00:01:26.220 This is from February.
00:01:27.320 Go for it.
00:01:28.000 So this is the first one.
00:01:28.740 DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients?
00:01:32.060 Will that really happen?
00:01:33.800 It's sitting on my desk right now to review.
00:01:36.780 That's been a directive by President Trump.
00:01:39.260 I'm reviewing that.
00:01:40.220 I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.
00:01:43.220 That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.
00:01:48.300 So that's the first one.
00:01:49.020 So have you seen anything?
00:01:50.560 That's the first one.
00:01:51.840 Then it goes to the next one.
00:01:53.960 Go for it, Ram.
00:01:54.600 And the FBI handed over a couple hundred pages of documents.
00:01:58.980 But, you know, Sean, I gave them a deadline of Friday at 8 a.m. to get us everything, and a source had told me where the documents were being kept, Southern District of New York, shock.
00:02:10.260 So we got them all by hopefully all of them, Friday at 8 a.m., thousands of pages of documents.
00:02:16.540 I have the FBI going through them, and Cash is also.
00:02:19.440 Now that we have Cash here, it's a game changer, of course.
00:02:21.720 And Cash is going to, Director Patel, is going to get us a detailed report as to why the FBI.
00:02:28.380 So far we know.
00:02:29.820 Now go to the next one, Rob.
00:02:31.220 And this is after O'Keefe Media Group found a video.
00:02:36.340 Oh, the restaurant.
00:02:36.740 The restaurant, right.
00:02:37.460 Yeah, the restaurant.
00:02:38.280 So after O'Keefe Media Group found the video, and Pam Bondi, this is what she had to say.
00:02:44.020 Go for it.
00:02:44.460 Yeah, the FBI, they're reviewing, there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn.
00:02:54.860 And there are hundreds of victims.
00:02:57.720 And no one victim will ever get released.
00:03:00.820 It's just the volume, and that's what they're going through right now.
00:03:03.540 The FBI is diligently going through that.
00:03:06.360 I haven't seen that statement, but I'll call it.
00:03:08.760 You can pause that here.
00:03:10.060 And then this is what, Rob, this is.
00:03:11.820 This is Alina Haber.
00:03:12.820 This is her with Piers Morgan back in February, where she talks about the Jeffrey Epstein client list and the names being revealed.
00:03:18.260 Go for it.
00:03:19.120 But in this case, in Epstein's case, it is incredibly disturbing.
00:03:22.900 We have flight logs.
00:03:24.760 We have information, names that will come out.
00:03:28.260 Is it going to be shocking?
00:03:32.380 I don't see how it's not shocking that there were so many individuals that were hidden and kept secret.
00:03:42.820 And not been held accountable.
00:03:45.020 Let's talk about the reverse.
00:03:46.340 I believe in accountability.
00:03:47.620 So you have to now go through your process.
00:03:50.680 Now, I won't say they're guilty until they go through their time in court.
00:03:54.160 But again, now it's time for accountability.
00:03:56.820 We have seen for so many years, Pierce, in this country, many investigations, subpoenas, testimonies in Congress, et cetera, et cetera.
00:04:03.960 But there's a general frustration with accountability.
00:04:06.480 We take it halfway.
00:04:07.840 We don't take it home.
00:04:08.680 And I really believe that now with Cash and Pam, there will be accountability.
00:04:12.300 All right.
00:04:12.620 So you can pause it.
00:04:13.340 Now, we got a lot of other clips.
00:04:14.780 Okay.
00:04:15.720 Rob, if you can go to the one clip about the video released of the cell.
00:04:19.700 Okay.
00:04:20.380 So they dropped the video footage of the cell.
00:04:22.960 Okay.
00:04:23.880 Assuming this is the cell.
00:04:25.380 But it doesn't match the one from CBS.
00:04:27.500 So what's the key factor here, Rob?
00:04:30.160 Because it skips a minute.
00:04:31.640 Right?
00:04:31.840 Isn't there a clip where it skips a minute and we don't see a minute of – okay.
00:04:37.540 So this is the one that – tell us, Rob.
00:04:39.420 This is one from CBS.
00:04:40.380 Yeah.
00:04:40.580 So 60 Minutes did an in-depth expose into Jeffrey Epstein's alleged suicide.
00:04:45.040 This was from the footage that they filmed at the prison that Jeffrey Epstein was being held at.
00:04:50.800 They claim – CBS 60 Minutes claims this is the cell that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in.
00:04:55.660 But if you take a look at the CCTV footage that was released yesterday, you can tell the doors are different.
00:05:01.460 No, this is not even the same.
00:05:02.680 Doors are different.
00:05:03.480 The glass is different.
00:05:04.780 The color is different.
00:05:06.320 The wall is not flat.
00:05:08.240 The other one is flat.
00:05:10.440 Press play on this one, Rob.
00:05:11.500 And then you'll see right down here, Pat, where the timing is.
00:05:13.900 Yeah.
00:05:14.280 11.58.
00:05:15.000 It counts all the way up to 11.59 and skips 11.59 to midnight.
00:05:19.140 Keep a look at the left corner.
00:05:20.780 Right there.
00:05:21.760 So a minute.
00:05:22.600 So let's assume it was it.
00:05:24.440 It skips a minute.
00:05:25.800 Doesn't match the one from CBS.
00:05:27.940 There's just so many contradictions.
00:05:29.720 Maybe the biggest fumble – it's not maybe.
00:05:32.820 It is the biggest fumble of the administration's – one of the items that they were trying
00:05:37.820 to attack and address so far in the first, you know, six months of being in office, five
00:05:43.260 and a half months of being in office.
00:05:44.640 Vinny, your thoughts on this entire matter here.
00:05:47.180 There is a guy, pretty short time you guys are going to know, George Orwell.
00:05:51.600 Was that his name?
00:05:52.100 Yes.
00:05:52.400 George Orwell, who said, the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
00:05:57.900 It was their final, most essential command, which basically means when the totalitarian
00:06:01.860 regime wants full control, it doesn't just lie.
00:06:04.660 It forces you to deny what you see and hear with your own senses.
00:06:08.940 Okay?
00:06:09.540 This is one of the biggest – not only slaps in the face.
00:06:12.660 I mean, I knew we were never going to see anything.
00:06:15.180 Like, the guy suicided himself in jail.
00:06:18.240 We were promised all this stuff.
00:06:20.120 Everybody's lying.
00:06:21.120 Okay?
00:06:21.380 Cash for tell – and we talked about this earlier, Pat.
00:06:23.480 I want to know, when they came in with all these promises, who is the main guy?
00:06:27.940 Who is the top person?
00:06:29.080 It's not Trump.
00:06:29.920 I hate when people are like, oh, Trump was with girls.
00:06:32.120 I don't want to hear none of that shit.
00:06:33.220 Trump was never with little kids.
00:06:34.540 The left would have jumped on his ass earlier.
00:06:36.780 Who is the main blackmailed person that's holding this from coming out?
00:06:41.660 Who is the top?
00:06:43.060 Who is the main person?
00:06:44.620 Okay?
00:06:44.860 Because we all know.
00:06:45.720 You saw it from Elina Haba.
00:06:47.340 You saw him from Pan Bondi.
00:06:48.480 He had cameras, and they had terabytes, terabytes of information.
00:06:53.780 That's a billion, billions of dollars of evidence on all these people, Pat.
00:06:58.200 And Alex Acosta, do you remember this guy, Robbie?
00:07:00.820 He was a DOJ official.
00:07:02.360 He gave Jeffrey Epstein the sweetheart deal in 2008.
00:07:05.220 He was quoted by saying he was told to, and I quote, to back off of Epstein because he belonged to intelligence.
00:07:12.160 And then mysteriously, he had 11 months of DOJ emails to him in that time period that mysteriously disappeared.
00:07:18.960 Then you have Maria Farmer, who worked for Epstein, who confirmed every pinhole, every area in there was recorded, and they know it.
00:07:27.380 So somebody has that.
00:07:29.020 And here's my thing, Pat.
00:07:30.080 Stop gaslighting us.
00:07:32.020 Stop bullshitting because we all know what the deal is.
00:07:35.280 We all know.
00:07:37.000 And apparently, if you're a pedophile, your job should be to get as powerful and as rich and get into politics.
00:07:43.620 Because rich pedophiles, you walk away and you dodge the raindrops.
00:07:48.100 Nothing happens to you.
00:07:49.320 You're untouchable.
00:07:50.360 If you're poor, guess what?
00:07:52.000 If you're a poor pedophile and you're broke, you wind up in a freaking kitchen with Chris Hansen.
00:07:56.380 And they go, oh, sit down.
00:07:57.340 And then they show you your text.
00:07:58.740 It's disgusting.
00:07:59.520 I think Pam Bondi and all these people, they have lied to us.
00:08:02.820 She should actually resign, Pat.
00:08:04.420 At that level, if you're bullshitting us and you're lying like that, resign.
00:08:09.240 Dan Bongino.
00:08:10.460 People are like, well, what do you want them to do?
00:08:12.580 Is the whole system going to come down?
00:08:14.300 Dan Bongino and all these people, if you're a real Christian, if you're a real person like that, Pat, I would come out and say the freaking truth and resign and leave.
00:08:23.260 And just tell the truth.
00:08:24.600 The truth has to come out.
00:08:25.860 And then notice how random it is.
00:08:27.220 All this stuff's coming out.
00:08:28.820 And then Virginia Goufri, what, two months ago?
00:08:31.400 She gets hit by a car.
00:08:32.580 No police report.
00:08:33.640 No nothing.
00:08:34.420 And then she even says, she's like, I'm going to die in the next couple days.
00:08:37.520 And then she dies.
00:08:38.960 And it's always this suicide stuff.
00:08:41.300 It's just I'm fed up with the BS.
00:08:43.540 We all know.
00:08:44.320 We all know what is going on.
00:08:46.260 But we can't prove it.
00:08:48.360 And now what's going to happen?
00:08:49.220 The American people, in a week, we're going to forget about this.
00:08:52.260 In one week, you're going to forget about them lying their asses up to us. 0.95
00:08:55.420 And it's ridiculous.
00:08:56.360 It pisses me off.
00:08:57.720 Adam, thoughts?
00:08:59.560 I knew Vinny was going to be fired up about this.
00:09:01.720 So Jeffrey Epstein, at this point, I'm not even sure what's real and what's a rumor at this point.
00:09:08.140 You know, people like Vinny, and I mean this sincerely, wake up every day and they're like, where's the Epstein files?
00:09:13.160 Where are we at?
00:09:14.860 That's not me.
00:09:16.040 This is in my top three things.
00:09:18.220 But at this point, with Epstein, we are not even sure what's real, what's rumor, what's myth, what's mystery.
00:09:25.480 He's part monster.
00:09:27.140 He's part complete mystery.
00:09:28.680 We're not even sure what's happening.
00:09:30.200 What do you think?
00:09:30.700 So.
00:09:31.060 What do you think he is?
00:09:33.540 Here's what I think.
00:09:35.240 So let me just go down some facts here.
00:09:37.900 So we arrested the guy that had the ownership of the island, the sex island.
00:09:42.340 We arrested the lady that was allegedly bringing women to the island, to the sex island. 1.00
00:09:48.800 But we haven't arrested or held anybody accountable for who was on the island.
00:09:55.440 So there's a missing ingredient here.
00:09:57.180 So what's the missing ingredient?
00:09:58.820 It's, as I always say, follow the money.
00:10:01.540 Who are these people?
00:10:02.580 I would suspect are the richest, most powerful people in the world.
00:10:06.300 So here it is.
00:10:07.540 Who do you want to please?
00:10:09.320 Who do you want to upset?
00:10:11.300 You have the elites, and then you have what I would call the angry mob.
00:10:15.000 The elites are whispering.
00:10:16.540 Yo, bro.
00:10:16.880 If you're talking to this, I'm telling you right now.
00:10:19.860 The mob are yelling, bro, I want to see the, you're going to upset somebody.
00:10:25.140 So in my estimation, whether it's Pam Bondi, whether it's Trump himself, whether it's Bongino,
00:10:30.600 whether it's Cash, they're saying the following.
00:10:33.740 We're going to upset somebody here.
00:10:35.380 If this thing comes out, we're going to have the richest, most powerful people in the world
00:10:38.940 who we need, whether it's Bill Gates, whether it's Leon Black, whoever it is, we need them
00:10:44.280 on our team because they know all the dirty secrets out there.
00:10:46.480 We can't upset these guys.
00:10:48.360 At the same time, we're going to upset some angry, loud, mob-type voices who are not going
00:10:54.140 to let this go.
00:10:55.140 So there's these two competing voices.
00:10:56.760 Who do you want to upset?
00:10:57.560 Who do you want to please?
00:10:58.600 Do you want to please the elites, or do you want to please the mob?
00:11:01.600 And at this point, they're just siding with the elites.
00:11:04.180 At time.
00:11:04.700 So I'm disappointed.
00:11:10.120 I'm also disgusted.
00:11:13.460 Do we know for sure if he was Mossad or MI6 or is truly an intelligence asset?
00:11:22.080 We had a lot of people who seem believable to say, look, this guy was intelligence.
00:11:25.300 That's why I couldn't prosecute him way back when.
00:11:27.420 And he got the little hand-slap deal, and then it went away.
00:11:32.320 And that's, to me, that's kind of disgusting.
00:11:35.680 You know, I don't know for sure what happened.
00:11:37.660 I don't know for sure where he is.
00:11:39.000 But I know for sure one thing.
00:11:41.240 You just put all of the facts as we see them.
00:11:45.560 You know, just Pam Bondi says this in a restaurant, says this to a camera, now says this.
00:11:50.060 Cash Patel says this, and Dan Bongino says this.
00:11:52.580 Cash Patel and Dan Bongino do an interview, and they'll look like this.
00:11:55.420 I can see all those facts and go, you know, this is fishy.
00:11:58.680 This is terrible.
00:11:59.520 This is horrible.
00:12:01.360 And I'm disgusted, and I'm really disgusted.
00:12:05.920 History has allowed us to go back and look at the Warren Commission for what it was.
00:12:09.680 The Warren Commission was a sham to produce a document about the Kennedy assassination.
00:12:16.900 Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren chaired it, invited Alan Dulles to it, who was tight with LBJ.
00:12:22.860 And now we know, we know, because certain documents have been leaked, that the CIA was with Oswald, helped Oswald in Russia.
00:12:31.340 And we now see a few of these things, to the point that if you go to the National Historic Place at the sixth floor of the Book Depository in Dallas, you put on headphones, and the U.S. government, who runs the tour, tells you, you are about to hear multiple shooters and gunshots.
00:12:46.920 So now they're not even on one shooter, Oswald.
00:12:50.720 History has taken it down.
00:12:52.580 And then, you know, LBJ set up—it's just so funny.
00:12:57.640 And then Alan Dulles, Gerald Ford was on the Warren Commission, and they produce a document with a magic bullet.
00:13:03.980 And we look back now, and we say that there's no way that happened.
00:13:07.080 It was just a complete sham.
00:13:08.660 And I feel like, is history repeating itself?
00:13:11.780 Say, okay, well, we've looked at everything, and never mind what we said publicly, never mind what you saw people do, never mind statements that have actually been made.
00:13:19.720 You know what?
00:13:20.700 There was nothing there.
00:13:22.120 Nobody was intimidated, and there was no client list.
00:13:25.000 Are you kidding me?
00:13:25.880 We got flight logs, and now you're looking America in the face, and you're saying this.
00:13:30.540 Yeah, so Judge O'Brien was on Alex Jones, okay?
00:13:34.280 And you know who Judge O'Brien is.
00:13:35.380 We have him on the podcast before.
00:13:36.180 He was incredible.
00:13:36.580 He's right here.
00:13:37.080 He signed here.
00:13:37.700 He was incredible.
00:13:38.780 And he said—Rob, I know it's a three-minute clip.
00:13:42.040 Can you get to the point of when he actually—you find it, but here's what he says.
00:13:45.820 He says the president is using all the information he has to hold the establishment accountable and, you know, what's the word?
00:13:58.840 You know, not held hostage.
00:14:01.180 What's the word?
00:14:01.600 Leverage them the other way.
00:14:03.300 Leverage them the other way.
00:14:04.560 This is his way of arresting and holding the establishment accountable.
00:14:09.300 Now, to people who are in that game, there's a clip that Tate posted yesterday where he says, this is above your pay grade.
00:14:20.020 You know, you're not somebody that's going to know what's going on.
00:14:22.500 You know, and I don't know when he gets into it, when he talks about what's going on here.
00:14:25.780 If you don't know about it, you don't know about it.
00:14:27.360 These are deals that are being done at the higher level, and he said this on the podcast when he was here with us.
00:14:31.920 Rob, is this it?
00:14:32.740 Yes.
00:14:33.140 Go for it.
00:14:33.980 When you talk about the Epstein list, I would argue it's a very similar scenario. 0.73
00:14:37.900 It's all about money.
00:14:38.720 It's all about who has the money and controlling the money.
00:14:41.800 Is America, as a country, prepared to upset all of its richest people?
00:14:47.660 I don't know.
00:14:48.500 Is it?
00:14:49.200 Is it prepared to upset all of its richest people to appease bloodthirsty brokies who don't even care about justice? 1.00
00:14:55.740 They just want the drama.
00:14:57.840 Another question.
00:14:58.800 Because I would argue that the murders that happen every day on the street are very interesting, but no one cares about that.
00:15:04.220 MS-13 and all this shit, no one really cares about that.
00:15:06.460 But this Epstein list, they really care about.
00:15:07.940 Now, they want justice, sure, but it's a drama.
00:15:10.520 It's interesting.
00:15:11.280 They want to find out.
00:15:12.140 They're curious.
00:15:13.080 And I'm asking you, as a professional, you're in charge of a country.
00:15:16.180 Your primary objective is to keep your oligarchy happy, to keep the wealth inside of your nation,
00:15:19.920 and to make them obey you when it comes to sanctions and such other things,
00:15:22.780 and to ensure that the U.S. dollar becomes and stays the predominant currency globally.
00:15:27.600 There's a bunch of bloodthirsty brokies on the Internet who barely pay taxes who want to go through a list. 1.00
00:15:32.120 Who are you going to prioritize?
00:15:34.640 Who do you care about?
00:15:36.680 I'm not saying it's fair.
00:15:37.900 I got a question.
00:15:38.420 But anyone who believes—
00:15:39.320 Pause.
00:15:39.680 I got a question for you as you're going through this.
00:15:42.560 I wrote out a tweet, Rob, if you can go to my tweet.
00:15:45.600 Do you have the clip on what he says?
00:15:47.100 Is that the main part or no?
00:15:48.580 I'm still looking for it.
00:15:49.620 Okay.
00:15:49.900 But I can get to your tweet.
00:15:50.760 Go to the tweet if you could.
00:15:52.540 So I wrote out a tweet.
00:15:53.360 I'm not going to go through the whole thing because it's long, but I shortened it for you.
00:15:56.600 When they announced what they announced, right?
00:15:58.540 This is a terrible look for the FBI and the DOJ.
00:16:00.700 No one believes in not his haters, not his supporters, not including Jelaine Maxwell doesn't believe it.
00:16:05.480 So then I said, okay, I have a ton of questions, but let's start with a few possibilities.
00:16:08.660 Maybe they're right.
00:16:09.620 Maybe nothing happened.
00:16:10.820 Okay?
00:16:11.080 I don't believe it.
00:16:11.780 Number two, maybe they know something the rest of us don't know.
00:16:14.500 It's above our pay grade.
00:16:15.480 Maybe.
00:16:16.380 Maybe there's a ton of evidence of people being held hostage through blackmail that helps keep the whole thing together, right?
00:16:23.820 Mossad, CIA working collectively together.
00:16:26.520 Blackmail, accountable, hostage, whatever you want to call it.
00:16:29.480 Fourth one, maybe he was actively working with Mossad, sending intel to them to empower Israel.
00:16:34.100 Maybe that's what it is.
00:16:35.140 Here's a few other questions to continue.
00:16:36.880 If there was nothing to record and found on Epstein, yet the FBI or DOJ want to gain trust from the people,
00:16:44.180 arrange a Jelaine Maxwell interview with somebody and put a lie detective desk there. 0.99
00:16:48.200 Use Megyn Kelly. 1.00
00:16:49.040 If you really want the American people to believe, do that.
00:16:52.280 Why did Pam Bondi act disturbed of what she claimed was found in those videos? 0.94
00:16:56.400 Why did Cash and Dan Bongino?
00:16:57.660 Two men who were convinced of what really happened changed.
00:17:00.980 Three hours we spent with Mark Epstein.
00:17:02.900 And when I'm talking to Mark Epstein, I ask him about a guy named Leon Black.
00:17:07.520 Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, was at our cigar lounge just a few months ago.
00:17:12.040 We did a two-hour interview with the guy.
00:17:14.080 No camera on him, Rob.
00:17:15.180 I think you were in the room when that interview took place.
00:17:17.020 You didn't show his face whatsoever.
00:17:18.180 Never showed his face.
00:17:18.900 We saw his face, but he never showed his face.
00:17:20.980 I asked him about, why would Leon Black pay your brother $158 million?
00:17:25.220 And then if you remember, Rob, Mark Epstein brought up a name that we didn't even have any plans of asking about,
00:17:32.440 talking about the fact that that guy may have taught him how to blackmail.
00:17:35.920 Do you remember that name that was accidentally dropped?
00:17:37.620 Do you remember the name or no?
00:17:38.640 I don't.
00:17:39.080 I can go back and find it.
00:17:39.840 You'll find it.
00:17:40.600 And then if you go a little bit lower, if Musk is this confident about starting his own political party,
00:17:45.440 did he get deep enough in the government the first 100 days to find out for himself what happened with Epstein?
00:17:50.980 Imagine if Musk got the intel.
00:17:53.460 That's what I make that very clear.
00:17:54.960 What if he has individuals in the inside of the FBI who saw everything and chose to resign to become a whistleblower to show what's in there?
00:18:03.860 If there's an enemy of the administration today that's capable of that, it's Musk.
00:18:08.240 It's not like FBI agents make a lot.
00:18:09.840 They make $80 to $150 a year.
00:18:11.640 I have a feeling Musk would find a way to offer financial protection if things got nasty.
00:18:16.280 My concern is things could get very ugly in ways that I don't want to type it out.
00:18:21.180 So here's the thing.
00:18:22.480 Which one of the guys, the Cassius, the Pams, the Bonginos, the Habas, put all these names.
00:18:29.860 Which one of them, Vinny, do you think right now that knows all the dirt but is playing ball
00:18:37.340 because they know who they're holding hostage, who they got a briefing of the real powerful people to say,
00:18:44.940 here's why we're all going to take this position.
00:18:47.620 Which one of those characters that is on the administration is conflicted the most right now?
00:18:52.360 Let me ask the question one more time.
00:18:53.820 Tom, Adam, who knows that they know what happened, whose names are on that list, okay?
00:19:05.840 Who is certain what they did to kids?
00:19:09.200 Who is certain the videos and all that stuff that's out there?
00:19:12.200 Who is conflicted the most and is having a hard time keeping their mouth shut right now?
00:19:16.040 Deep down in the sun when they go to sleep.
00:19:17.140 Okay, great question, by the way.
00:19:19.040 I think the most conflicted is going to be Dan Bongino.
00:19:22.340 I don't think he knows everything.
00:19:23.420 You know who knows everything?
00:19:24.520 Who?
00:19:24.820 Pam Bondi.
00:19:25.820 She is the number one law enforcement officer.
00:19:28.100 She was in Florida, Pat, on the cleanup of this whole Epstein thing. 0.95
00:19:32.640 She knows where the bodies are buried, so to speak.
00:19:35.960 But I don't think she's conflicted because she's been involved the whole time.
00:19:38.620 I think Dan Bongino, you know what I mean?
00:19:41.060 They asked him, I don't know who offered him the job and came in.
00:19:44.080 He's seen enough, Pat, where he's like, holy shit.
00:19:46.880 He's a Secret Service agent.
00:19:48.620 He loves America.
00:19:49.780 He's a Christian.
00:19:50.560 I think he is having the most—I could see it in his face.
00:19:54.340 When you see Dan Bongino in the interviews now, he looks as if somebody has taken something from him.
00:20:00.340 Like a part of his soul is gone.
00:20:02.240 Like I think they pulled open the current and saw it and they said, shh, you can't say anything.
00:20:07.440 I think it's him the most conflicted.
00:20:09.040 I don't think it's Cash.
00:20:10.120 I don't think it's Cash.
00:20:10.940 I think Cash is good in front of the camera and likes to talk a big game.
00:20:13.740 I think Pam knows everything.
00:20:15.460 I think Dan Bongino has seen enough to make him go, holy shit, but he's gotten the kibosh.
00:20:21.940 And that's where I conflict with me, Pat, because my thing, and you know me, as a Christian, I'm sorry.
00:20:27.800 I will go down with the—put me in jail.
00:20:30.120 Kill me.
00:20:30.740 I don't care.
00:20:31.600 You have to say the truth.
00:20:33.060 The truth has to come out.
00:20:34.800 It has to.
00:20:35.920 It has to.
00:20:36.400 And I'll let them answer, Pat, because I want to ask you a question after, too.
00:20:38.580 So I'm—I see it differently in terms of person.
00:20:44.280 Everything else that you said, I agree.
00:20:45.900 And I think when you bring up faith, I have faith in one thing.
00:20:51.640 I have faith in the Lord God Almighty, and he's going to judge the people.
00:20:55.040 And if Epstein was dirty, as the Lord said, if you cause one of these little ones to sin, it'd be better that you're bottom of the sea with a millstone around your neck.
00:21:02.380 And no one understands that verse.
00:21:04.560 They think, oh, it's better—you die that way?
00:21:06.680 No, no, you drown in the first 12 feet.
00:21:08.700 Yes.
00:21:09.320 What he's saying is it would be better that you're at the bottom of the sea, hidden, where I cannot find you, where that the creator of all doesn't find you.
00:21:20.500 Now, so I agree with you on the faith side.
00:21:22.400 When I look at the human side here, I see dramatic—we've spent time with Dan.
00:21:27.460 We've spent time at UFC.
00:21:28.640 He's been here.
00:21:29.320 We've looked at him.
00:21:30.200 And I'll tell you, I see a guy whose countenance has really changed.
00:21:34.120 And so I think there's something there.
00:21:35.740 But I also saw the interview with Cash on the Kennedy stuff.
00:21:39.520 And he sat back on that couch, and he looked around, and he said, you're asking about a who.
00:21:45.400 Remember this quote?
00:21:46.260 It's not really a who.
00:21:48.020 It's a what.
00:21:49.520 And then we had those other documents that came out that implicated the CIA.
00:21:53.260 And so he said, there's more in there that is coming.
00:21:58.040 And you could see, like, he wanted to say something in that.
00:22:00.820 And I think that he's—but remember, where he came from, the reason he was nominated is because he was already knee-deep in some of it.
00:22:09.560 Now he's neck-deep in it and sees it.
00:22:12.040 I think Cash is one there that has wanted to say some things.
00:22:16.100 And I also think our friend, a noble servant in the Secret Service, I think what's going on there at Dan Bongino is a tremendous difference in his countenance.
00:22:28.100 But I also think that Andrew Tate makes an interesting point.
00:22:31.600 You know, who are they protecting and what's being protected?
00:22:36.820 You know, do we want the bloodlust of knowing everything out there?
00:22:40.580 Or is there something bigger at play?
00:22:43.120 Obviously, there's something bigger at play.
00:22:44.620 But to your question, those are the people that I think are conflicted.
00:22:48.580 Rob, did you find a clip of what he says?
00:22:50.400 I do. I have it right here.
00:22:51.340 Go for it. Here's Joe Brown.
00:22:52.760 The deal of what happened with Smith and Melargo when the FBI raided it some years ago.
00:23:02.160 And this thing that clearly they had no standing to go against about him supposedly having classified confidential documents.
00:23:12.780 When, as we have discussed, the President of the United States under the Constitution as chief diplomat and commander-in-chief has been held to have absolutely unquestionable authority as to what he declares either confidential and secret or decides to declare is not such.
00:23:33.120 So my sneaking suspicion is that a lot of what he refused to turn over to the archivist, which was unconstitutional in terms of what it was trying to put in place through statutory override of constitutional authority, which is wrong,
00:23:55.880 is that there was wrongdoing, that if he turned it over to the archivist, it was going to be turned over to the people who were recorded doing wrong and they would destroy it.
00:24:09.980 So we had an obligation to the people.
00:24:12.420 So he's basically saying that when Trump took those documents and all that stuff out and kept them a Mar-a-Lago or wherever, that a lot of that stuff had this type of stuff, the Epstein stuff, the Epstein information.
00:24:23.120 And, yeah, and Pat, just really fast, and we kind of, we didn't gloss over it, but that one minute, Pat, that one minute that they showed us this video that they've been promising us, where is that minute?
00:24:34.540 Why is it, like, I mean, what else could we do?
00:24:36.520 Why can't we say, hold on, time out, where is that one minute that you guys are trying to bullshit us? 0.76
00:24:41.720 And, hey, it's in plain sight.
00:24:44.000 So you want to show this to us, like, we're going to go, oh, whoops, there's the minute, let's talk.
00:24:48.040 But the part of it, Vinny, that's so weird to me is it's so sloppy.
00:24:53.620 It is.
00:24:54.800 It's so sloppy, like you almost want people to stay skeptical.
00:25:01.320 Like, by the way, this is the guy that when I was talking to Jeffrey Epstein's brother, he talked about a guy that played a role of a mentor.
00:25:08.480 I never brought up this name.
00:25:09.980 He brought up this name.
00:25:11.480 Steve Hoffenberger.
00:25:13.040 Hoffenberg.
00:25:13.480 An American businessman and a fraudster.
00:25:15.360 He was the founder, CEO, president, chairman of Tower Financial Corporations, a debt collection agency, which was later discovered to be a Ponzi scheme.
00:25:22.380 In 93, he's rescued the New York Post from bankruptcy and briefly owned the paper.
00:25:26.900 Tower's financial collapsed in 93, 95.
00:25:29.620 However, police pleaded guilty to, what does it say, bilking investors out of $475 million.
00:25:36.240 He was sentenced to 20 years in prison, plus a $1 million fine restitution.
00:25:40.500 But if you go a little bit lower to what things he had problems, there it is.
00:25:44.880 In 87, he met Jeffrey Epstein, a British defense contractor, Douglas Lessie, who Hoffenberg claimed was an arms dealer.
00:25:52.240 Lessie was Saudi Adnan's Khashoggi and Prince Bandir bin Sultan Al Saud architect in the billion-dollar Al-Yamar arms deal.
00:26:03.580 Britain's biggest arms deal concluded.
00:26:05.080 Huffenberg set up Epstein up in offices in Villers' house.
00:26:10.400 They unsuccessfully tried to take over Pan Am in a corporate raid with Tower Financial and raiding vessels.
00:26:17.060 Their bid failed in part of the 1988 terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103.
00:26:22.880 When you see the link between, during this period, Huffenberg and Epstein were closely together and traveled everywhere on Huffenberg's private jet.
00:26:30.700 He began using the Tower's financial funds to pay earlier investors.
00:26:35.180 And then in the court documents, Huffenberg claimed that Epstein was intimately involved in the Ponzi scheme.
00:26:41.200 Epstein left Tower's financial collapse.
00:26:42.560 And then Huffenberg and some of his victims sued Epstein, seeking restitution.
00:26:49.280 And in July 2019, following Epstein's arrest on the charge of sex trafficking, minors and conspiracy committed sex trafficking,
00:26:54.400 Huffenberg claimed that Epstein was his uncharged co-conspirator in the Ponzi scheme.
00:26:59.640 So they're saying maybe he taught him some of these things.
00:27:02.420 And this is coming from a brother when this name came up, out of nowhere.
00:27:05.720 I don't know what's going on here.
00:27:08.540 I think it's the most sloppiest launch of a news that a big percentage of MAGA voters, Trump voters, wanted to find out.
00:27:19.060 These are people that are Christians.
00:27:21.240 These are people that are family people.
00:27:23.540 These are people that probably have kids, nephews, nieces, who wanted to know what the hell happened here.
00:27:28.780 This is by far the biggest fumble of this administration thus far.
00:27:34.880 Adam.
00:27:35.300 Well, you asked the original question, like who should be, how did you phrase it?
00:27:39.940 Who should be most worried?
00:27:41.220 Conflicted.
00:27:41.600 Who should be most conflicted?
00:27:42.500 So you have Pam Bondi, you have Dan Bongino that you mentioned, you have Kash Patel.
00:27:45.920 I think it's Kash, because I never even heard of Kash Patel until I heard him basically say,
00:27:50.640 when I get in there, day one, FBI, I'm coming in, I'm cleaning house.
00:27:55.040 Everybody's going to know what's going down.
00:27:57.060 And just add the Epstein to all the laundry list of conspiracies that we still don't know about.
00:28:02.500 RFK, MLK, JFK, Roswell, Aliens, 9-11.
00:28:10.140 I don't know.
00:28:11.180 Epstein's just now another thing on that list.
00:28:13.120 In my opinion, here's what happens.
00:28:15.340 You show up.
00:28:16.560 You get to the government.
00:28:17.820 You say, I'm going to do this.
00:28:18.840 I'm going to do this.
00:28:19.460 And they, Wizard of Oz, your ass.
00:28:21.640 And they go, yeah, tough guy.
00:28:23.460 Yeah, you're real tough.
00:28:24.720 How about this?
00:28:25.940 Take a look at this.
00:28:27.160 Is this what you want to expose?
00:28:28.460 You want to bring down America?
00:28:29.780 You want to bring down all these people?
00:28:31.220 You want everyone to see what's got on the Wizard of Oz?
00:28:33.320 Shut your stupid mouth.
00:28:34.680 And the guy goes, oh, damn.
00:28:37.680 Oh, damn.
00:28:39.480 And at some point, you're going to have to make the decision whether you want to do what Andrew Tate said.
00:28:44.200 Do you want to appease the elites and the people that are really actually running the country or appease the angry mob?
00:28:50.840 And the angry mob has a point, and so do the elites.
00:28:53.900 And it's clear at this point who they're appeasing.
00:28:56.800 Who is it?
00:28:57.900 They're appeasing the elites.
00:28:58.700 Yeah, because they know that the mob, us, we can't do anything.
00:29:01.940 But, Adam, I'm telling you as a Christian, how do you think God feels about this situation?
00:29:06.080 How do you think God feels where people are like, well, we don't want to piss off the rich pedophiles.
00:29:11.800 So guess what?
00:29:12.540 The average American, the average person can't find out.
00:29:15.620 And I have a question.
00:29:16.420 You know the old saying, Adam, and I said it before.
00:29:18.940 Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.
00:29:21.620 No matter what, no matter what, justice has to be held up.
00:29:25.020 No matter the consequences, number one.
00:29:26.600 Number two, here's my question, Pat.
00:29:27.960 I want to ask you guys.
00:29:29.620 What's worse that allegedly Mossad used Epstein to run a blackmail ring
00:29:35.920 with underage girls, number one, or that the world's most powerful men eagerly joined
00:29:41.780 while now the DOJ lies through its teeth and buries the evidence?
00:29:45.000 Which one's worse?
00:29:46.200 What is worse?
00:29:47.280 The actual Mossad secret Israeli intelligence setting them up to do it
00:29:51.760 or the guys doing it, the actual pedophiles, and now that the DOJ helps them cover it up?
00:29:56.880 What do you think is worse?
00:29:57.780 And Umberto asked ChadGBT.
00:29:59.760 It was so random.
00:30:00.540 I asked him yesterday, you know what ChadGBT, I'm sorry, what Grok said about this question?
00:30:05.920 Both elements are profoundly immoral, but the eager participation of powerful men
00:30:10.480 and the DOJ's cover-up is worse.
00:30:12.740 It betrays public trust, enables systemic abuse, and perpetuates injustice.
00:30:17.560 Allegations of intelligence involvement remain unproven per FBI findings,
00:30:22.260 but I beg to differ.
00:30:24.420 Yeah, I mean, look, I understand the point, and I understand what he's saying.
00:30:28.400 My question is, once a person gets in, in a job like this,
00:30:34.720 if you have people that are conflicted, they're going to have a hard time.
00:30:39.220 Are they going to come out and release?
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