Understanding Porn Addiction & How to Escape it
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Porn addiction is a real issue that affects millions of Americans. In this episode, I sit down with an entrepreneur to talk about his struggles with porn addiction and how he was able to overcome it. I also discuss the impact porn addiction can have on a family, friends, and the community.
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Internet pornography is just everything on steroids.
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promising myself that I'll never watch porn again,
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and then feeling this uncontrollable urge to go back,
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If you're married and you're watching too much porn,
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it creates a distance between you and your wife.
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If you want Xanax, you have to go to get it from somebody
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The dealer's sitting right in front of you at any time.
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Matter of fact, 40 million adults in the U.S. visit internet porn sites
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One in five every internet search on mobile devices or pornography.
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Men who are happily married are 61% less likely to look at porn.
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20% of men admit to viewing pornography at work,
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and 88% of porn scenes contain physical aggression.
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My guest today is an entrepreneur CEO running a successful business,
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and one day he decides to go talk about his porn addiction,
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and he doesn't just do it on a small platform with five of his friends,
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He decides to do it on this place called Ted Talks.
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Nearly 3 million people find out about his addiction,
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thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.
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I'm glad to have you on because I think it's fair to say
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this is an issue that comes up amongst men all the time,
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And I get a lot of random calls on how to handle this.
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commentary you got from people that are close to you,
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What were some of the reaction you got from people that you know?
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The people closest to me reacted pretty well for the most part.
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Some of my family, I'm not sure what they think.
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I'm not sure what they're saying about it behind my back.
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In business, I've had sometimes mixed reactions.
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So I was once trying to get, do business with a big client.
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And I had a few good calls and then the line went dead.
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So I followed up with someone, the person who put me in touch.
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I say, hey, can you try to figure out what happened with this guy?
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And what had happened is the company looked me up and saw something about porn and said,
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hey, I don't know if we want to do business with him.
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I'm not sure what the deal is with the whole porn addiction thing.
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But I'll give you another story that happened a couple of weeks ago.
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This guy I do business with for 10 years, one of my more important relationships.
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And he says, Elias, I want to let you know it's such an honor to do business with you.
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From all the people I do business with, it's a real honor to do business with you.
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He's like, what you've done on that porn thing.
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He's like, and a lot of people struggle with it, including me.
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He's like, that's just, it's so cool that you put that out there like that.
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So I've gotten mixed responses, but I would say between the two, it's much more important
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to me that someone that does business with me values it than someone who's never met me.
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Now, Eli, I think it's important for people to realize, you know, you start a company
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Can you kind of give us the optics, give us some perspective of how big the business
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was and your level of success was when you decided to go public with this?
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So Mic Drop is a second business that I started more recently, somewhat of a passion project.
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There's a business that I started in 2006, which is a distribution business.
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Like I said, at the time of the Ted talk, we probably had about 80 employees.
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I'm doing north of a hundred million in business a year.
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And Mic Drop was something that I had done because get this, Patrick, I had a painful
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And the guy who helped me get over it was Rush Low.
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Rush Low was a local news reporter for Channel 7, local to Miami.
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So he helps me to speak a different talk I gave on child sex abuse, sharing my story
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And then I tell Rush, hey, I want to start this as a business.
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I saw the impact it had on me and on a lot of people that I introduced it to.
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I found it as one of the best teamwork things I've ever done in my company is to have him
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come in and train people to tell their story and get over that fear of public speaking.
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And the reason why I want the audience to know that is because you're not just like
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You're talking about 80 employees, a hundred million dollars a year.
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That's not like a, that's a, you know, it's very hard to run a hundred million
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Most people get to a million, 10 million, 5 million, a hundred million dollar your company.
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So walk me through what happened when you went up to your partner and said, hey, I'm thinking
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Um, I, I approach him about starting a business, helping people tell a story.
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I say, why don't you leave channel seven, do this full time.
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It was something I brought to my employees as well.
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So after he started his business, he goes into a, he starts doing a few different projects.
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So the first time we did, it was 2016 while he was still at the newspaper.
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And I, this, the business we started, I believe it was 2019 or end of 2018.
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I said, let's bring it back and let's do it again in our company.
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And one of his secrets, I guess that he offers is the CEO should always speak as well.
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Don't just have the company do the talk also have the CEO talk.
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And I say, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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I'm talking about porn addiction and you should have seen his face.
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So the reason why this was a big deal, we have to frame this correctly, Patrick.
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This guy is a guy who encourages people to share their story.
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His job is training people to tell their story.
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And as a news reporter, he's trying to get the story.
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And when I tell him that I want to share my story on porn addiction, the story guy,
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I said, if I can't tell this story to him, him of all people is telling me, I can't say
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And that's when I decided I'm doing a TED talk on porn addiction.
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TED talks went live with your porn addiction video, June 24th, 2019.
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I'm assuming that's not the day you gave the talk.
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It's probably a month prior to that or two months prior to that.
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Hey, bro, I'm so glad I've been struggling with them myself as well.
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Or, you know, and maybe they don't even want to talk about it.
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But what have women in your life said about your, uh, you opening up regarding escaping
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So the two most important women in my life, my wife and my mom have been extremely supportive
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My wife in general takes it as a, um, a huge plus.
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She says, I trust my husband more than, uh, cause you know, I'll be honest.
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I spoke about porn addiction there, but here we're having a conversation and I went from pixels
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It got porn addiction became a problem for me that was beyond that was beyond porn itself.
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And, uh, being a recovered sex addict, so to speak, a recovered porn addict, my wife takes
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that as a source of pride as far as she's concerned.
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And that's one of the things that gave me the pride to, to speak up about it.
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And my mom as well, she just thinks it's awesome that I've, uh, that I'm willing to talk about
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She understands that I'm doing it to, to help others.
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I, you know, I was, I, I wish I heard it from someone else about porn addiction while
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And that's why I talk so that someone else, I know it.
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I speak to what I needed to, to hear women outside of that.
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Every once in a while on Instagram from women who are addicted to porn, not a ton, but I
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And I just wonder, you know, when we talk about the scale with men, like you're reading
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the statistics at the beginning, it's almost every man, but let's say with women, it's
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one in four women or one in five women that have that watch pornography a lot.
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On the woman's side is what you're saying.
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I've received messages from women who say, Hey, I'm addicted to porn.
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And it's really hard for me to say anything about it.
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So yeah, I mean, the fact that you said there's only two women, you know, the most important
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women in your life, your wife and your mom, uh, if you're a sex addict, it's good to be
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a sex addict while you're married because you're addicted to having sex with your wife.
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So I'm sure that benefits your spouse, which is a very good thing.
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Your wife is lucky to be married to a sex addict.
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You know, I had a sergeant in the corner who was the kink.
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Now, obviously, you know, as a kid, my mom caught me under the mattress with my best
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high quality porn addiction from hustle magazine, whatever I had had the nice stash,
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She found it one day and, uh, you know, she was, uh, she was shocked by it.
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You want me to have naked pictures or what here?
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So we had a different reaction, but there was the judgment.
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You always kind of feel like there's a level of a judgment.
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Now I go in the military, the guy in the corner, if I, the mountains of porn VHS tapes
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he had was incredible and everybody would always go to a suite.
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And then we found out today, we're going to look at this.
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Today, we're going to look at that fast forward to me running a business.
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I cannot tell you how many times I've walked into one of my sales guys and they're sitting
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there and all I hear is, oh, you know, the sound in the background and they're like trying
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A very funny experience happened because one of my employees, uh, I said, hey, you know,
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where are we at with this image that we got to put up for the thumbnail?
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He takes his phone out proudly shows me the phone as he's going through it.
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He, what, what, what is it with men being addicted to porn?
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And why is it that is such a bad thing for men to be addicted to porn?
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I mean, you can always have a psychologist who comes as well, or a scientist.
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So first of all, I want to say, I'm not an anti-porn advocate.
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It may work for everyone, but me, it's not my business.
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But when I talk about why I got trapped in it is a, it's ridiculously accessible, ridiculously
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But the second, and also, I mean, there's some, you know, we like women and I like women and
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that's all you see the pictures and it's, there's a, there's a lot there and they get
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When you talk about the magazine, um, it's, it's not the same problem.
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There's an organization called fight the new drug and pornography, which combats pornography
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And they considered a new drug, even though pornography is as old as time itself, because
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internet pornography is just everything on steroids.
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Like when you're done with that hustle magazine or whatever it is you were looking at to get
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another one, you got to go, I don't know how old you were at the time, but you got to work
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to get that next magazine, especially if you're under 18 as a teenager.
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I mean, it's just right there at your fingertips more and more and more and more.
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And for me, uh, what kept me in it was the shame.
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And when I talk about porn addiction, I'm talking about not wanting to watch porn, promising
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And then feeling is uncontrollable urge to go back.
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And I do so, and I, what the difference for me and what kept me in there, what changed,
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what's the real variable that changed is shame is talking about it.
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So I was in therapy for five years, talking about other stuff and intense things.
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And that was a lot of the work I was doing in therapy.
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And I lied to him about the fact that I was watching pornography for five years.
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So what does that tell you about the average guy who's struggling with porn?
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We may be comfortable watching it and talking about it, but if we're trapped in it, can we
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And that's what, that's what it took for me to get out of it.
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And that's one of the main reasons I speak so that if someone else is having a hard time and say,
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no shame, there's a lot of us who've been there and there's a way out and the way out is through
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What, so, so what, what, but if you go a little deeper, I mean, I'm on the website that says the
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12 step program to get, uh, you know, stop watching porn.
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Um, this is something where I get, uh, a lot of calls, uh, myself as a guy that runs a company
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with 20,000 agents, I get a call from wife sometimes saying, hey, can you every once in
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I don't want you to bring up the name, but you know, I've caught my husband watching porn a lot
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So a lot of these things come from the women's side as well on, you know, I, I don't want my husband
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to watch porn because he can't stop watching porn.
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But to go kind of a little bit deeper, what is the challenge?
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I can speak from the experience from my behalf and what I've read on it myself, when I'm studying
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what the challenges of this is for both were single men and married men, but for you, what
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Like what kind of negative effects did it have on you?
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So it started taking up more and more time, more and more energy.
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And then me pushing the boundaries, like I mentioned, going from pixels to people, but
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when I peel back the onion and I said, what am I going to porn for?
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Which this is a, that's really the question someone has to ask them for.
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So I get a call from a kid who finds me on Facebook and he's struggling a lot because
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he's 21, 22 years old and he's tried and failed to stop porn multiple times, different
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promises, different filters on his computer, everything.
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He reaches out to me and said, dude, I've tried everything and failed.
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Maybe you can, maybe you can have a call with me.
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And the first question I asked him is, why do you watch so much porn?
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So I said, so you're telling me that the reason you're going to porn every single time, the
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reason you're going to porn is strictly for a physical sexual need.
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I said, okay, obviously I didn't believe that to be the case.
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So as we continue the conversation, I said, Hey, just tell me when it got the worst.
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When did, when did your porn use get so bad that you said I'm done or tell me what's going
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on now that you decided to message me on Facebook.
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Cause that's not easy to do to reach out to someone and have this conversation.
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My, one of my siblings was dealing with an illness.
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I think it's very stressful and I'm watching porn.
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I said, well, you told me the reason you watch porn is because it's like just a guy
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And he understood from that question that my, he understood my point from that question
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that the reason he was watching pornography was because he found himself in a stressful
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situation and he was using pornography or abusing pornography to meet some emotional need.
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Yeah, I guess, I guess what I'm trying to find out is what is the negative impact?
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Nine out of 10 boys are exposed to pornography before the age of 18.
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I figured it'd be a hundred percent of kids that are exposed to pornography.
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Six out of 10 girls are exposed to pornography before 18.
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On average, a male's first experience to pornography is at 12 years old, okay?
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71% of teens have done something to hide what they do online from their parents.
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I believe that teenage boys 12 to 17 have the highest risk of developing a porn addiction,
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Then the next one says, I have here is from wives.
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Pornography addiction does not only affect the addict, but it can also negatively impact
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the well-being of the individual's wife or girlfriend.
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The addiction can cause the following feelings within the wife of a porn addict.
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Rejection, betrayal, depression, abandonment, isolation, loneliness, humiliation, anger,
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So did you, like my way of studying a topic, if I'm struggling with something in my life,
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I have no clue what the different controls are.
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Before I go and raise this, you know, next money, I got to find out what controls are.
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I go read everything and anything I can find on the topic.
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If I'm struggling with parenting a girl versus a boy, I want to go read everything I can on
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When you were going to the rabbit hole, did you yourself go out there and do a ton of
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due diligence to see the effects of porn can have on men, on singles, on married?
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Or was it just like, look, I'm struggling with this.
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I met with my therapist and then I just wanted to talk about it.
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So the research for me came to addiction and that's where I spent a lot of time.
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And I looked at this very quickly as an addiction.
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As soon as I read, I read a great book by Patrick Harnes called Out of the Shadows.
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He's actually the one who coined the term sex addiction, not coined the term, but he was
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They call him like the father of sex addiction recovery, where he was the first therapist
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to really talk about the possibility of someone being able to be addicted to sex.
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Some don't believe there could be an addiction.
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So as soon as I read that book and I saw the parallels in my life with what he was talking
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My obsession became recovery from addiction versus how destructive pornography is for anyone
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And in terms of girls, I mean, what's the likelihood that I'm going to hit on girls less?
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All of those things is going to, in a real human way, right?
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Because I have something easily available to me that met my need in some way.
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So I can talk for hours about the way it affected my life.
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I think some of these questions that you're asking about how large of a problem it is and
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how much it affects people, someone else is probably better suited to answer those questions.
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I only ask it because if I speak on a topic, like, let's just say everywhere I go, I get
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If I'm a valley guy, I pull up, a valley guy will get out and say, he's Italian.
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He'll say, man, I got to tell you, out of all the interviews of mobsters, which one do
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Then I get hit up from emails from people from Sicily, from people from all over the world.
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You should interview this Russian mobster.
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You should interview this Albanian mobster.
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And then I'll go into bodybuilding and a bunch of people from bodybuilding come to me.
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I just wonder if you talk about a topic this sensitive as porn addiction, did a lot of
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doctors, psychologists, therapists come up to you, send you research to say, here's
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And the reason why I ask this question is because I think this is as big of a deal as you think
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But I think the impact on this is very massive for the community, for somebody like yourself
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I watched Pamela Anderson talk about porn.
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And it was one of the most fascinating interviews I saw with Pamela Anderson.
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So you know, when you think about Pamela, what do you think about?
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So hey, they're together and their video came out and it was so public and all this other
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So and then she had a son and then she talked about in an interview where, look, you know,
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when you're going out there meeting men and you're having sex, it's starting to get annoying
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because men think they have to have sex with you the way men have sex with women and porn
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because that's what they get their education from.
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So a lot of times that becomes a form of education where single men are thinking, hey, that's what
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Number two is, you know, when if you're married and you're watching too much porn, it creates
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a distance between you and your wife almost because, you know, it's kind of like, man,
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you know, there's no way in the world you can meet this expectation of what I saw in
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So anything below that is, you know, just not going to turn me on the way X, Y, Z turned
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me on in this movie that I watch or in this series that I watch.
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I was just curious to know if you had any thoughts on that.
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Please elaborate on that point of what's turning someone on because one of the things that
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impacted me towards the end, I committed in March of 2013.
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That's when I committed to stop watching porn and it's been about four and a half years
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You haven't watched any for four and a half years.
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I haven't intentionally went to watch porn in four and a half years.
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It's sometimes hard not to bump into things like you mentioned, right?
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So if you had a streak going, then that wouldn't work.
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I haven't intentionally gone to to look at porn, but I saw an interview with a porn star
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And she spoke about walking in on her boyfriend watching pornography.
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So she said her whole view of pornography changed in that instance.
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Because until then, she's like, OK, I'm hotter than these other girls.
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And that's when that's when she realized for herself that porn kind of operates on a little
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bit of a different track than the regular sex drive.
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In the sense that it's not just I'm more attracted to this.
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So I want so I want the one that's most attractive.
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There's something about the it being as a not a human being being inanimate.
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There's something about being able to watch anything that we are thinking about that day.
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That pushes us in that direction or pulls us in that direction.
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And she said after that, she was done with porn.
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She realized that, yeah, what she's doing isn't helping people.
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Some some people say, you know, I watch porn with my wife to kind of get myself to get
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And over there, she said, hey, this is something else going on, because if it was just about
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And instead, other people are watching me are watching me have sex.
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And the person who could is watching someone else have sex.
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That's a great perspective from somebody who's in that field.
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You walk in onto your man watching porn of another girl while you're you're a porn star
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I'd be curious to know what the what her name is.
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I'd love to interview myself to see what she can bring to the table.
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I think the one part with this is it's such a sensitive topic that, you know, sometimes
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when people talk about this topic, it almost comes across as, oh, I can't believe you do
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And I can't believe, you know, it's kind of like looking down at people who have watched
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And then there's also another group where it's where it's what's the big deal?
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Just drop it versus not realizing that, you know, just like a guy's addicted to Xanax or
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Vicodin or cocaine or pot or, you know, heroin, whatever, maybe it's a similar challenging
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The difference is if you want Xanax, you have to go to get it from somebody for a couple
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If you want Coke, nose candy, you got to go find somebody to buy it from.
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But if you want, you know, porn, you're two seconds away from having it.
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The dealer is sitting right in front of you at any time.
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We do so much to protect kids from alcohol, from everything under the sun.
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Did your parents talk to you about sex early on or no?
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I mean, my mother would ask me in Germany, have you taken science yet?
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I said, why do you keep asking me if I've taken science yet?
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Like, what are you asking me about why I've taken science yet?
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OK, right after they watch this interview, they clear history because they don't want
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to see that they're watching an interview like this about porn because they don't want
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anybody to know that they're watching, you know, a video with history.
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Something tells me this interview, the percentage of people watching the entire interview is going
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to be higher than usual because they want to see exactly what things are going to be said.
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Because I know a lot of people struggle with this.
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I have it in front of me, but I'm curious to know what process you took.
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What was your process to go through dropping porn where for four and a half years you haven't
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What was the process you took that worked for you?
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Well, first, before I go into that, it was whatever it takes, right?
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It's if someone asked you what you had to do in business, the real answer is I was willing
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So I want to qualify that it was 100 percent whatever it took.
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Once I noticed how much it was affecting my life and the way I found out is trying to
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And I got at one point, the first time I tried to stop was 57 days.
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But on the other hand, I was feeling amazing in the sense that my feelings started coming
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And some of those feelings were extremely uncomfortable feelings that were coming up.
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It's when I became better at feeling because some of the porn numbed so much of it.
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So I started some of the trauma, some of the pain, some of the confusion, some of that started
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But in answer to your question, there was therapy, there was support groups, and then a little
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That was kind of the three-pronged approach that I took to stopping to watch porn.
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Can you tell me support groups and what technology?
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So technology, at the time, I used something like K9 Browser, and then the general stuff
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I know there's, I've worked with Covenant Eyes.
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Covenant Eyes uses a, it's kind of like a mentor relationship where I've been on the other
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So I didn't know this software when I was trying to stop.
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But the problem with using something like K9 Browser or some of the other stuff is that
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Whereas Covenant Eyes kind of screenshots at random times, and it gives someone on the
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other end, hey, the guy didn't use his phone for a long period of time, or here are some
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For example, I can be on Instagram that's not picked up by the browser, but I'm watching
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Something like Covenant Eyes will see that, they'll take pictures, and then you'll have
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a conversation with your accountability partner.
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So imagine one of your employees came to you and said, Patrick, I'm struggling watching porn.
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Will you be my accountability partner on Covenant Eyes?
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And then it'll send you reports and have that conversation.
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So there's a lot of different technology out there.
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I used K9 Browser and the regular Apple stuff just to limit it.
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I don't have anything today on my phones, just to be clear.
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What it does is, it just gives you a space between stimulus and response.
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And for me, that I've sat down on my computer so many times, I see the Google screen, and
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I'm already, for years, when I saw that Google image, that was a trigger for me.
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So I needed something to block all Google images, even on my work computer for several
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So one was technology, but again, that's just to put a small gap.
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Obviously, there's an anonymous factor to the 12 steps, because in the 12 steps, no
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one wants to come and say, or not so much the 12 steps, but the specific programs within
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So I won't name the program that I'm a part of.
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And the reason for the anonymous factor is, you know, let's say next week, I slip on porn
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or I'm found in a strip club or something else.
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Someone doesn't say, oh, look, it doesn't work.
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It does work, but I don't want to be the poster child.
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There are no poster childs for any of these programs.
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And then therapy, really deep dive in therapy, and therapy means everything you can imagine
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You know, are you close to both your parents, mom and dad?
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What did you pick up from your mom and what did you pick up from your dad?
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Because you seem like a very raised, properly values and principled type of guy.
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Both my parents, you know, we didn't grow up with much.
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Both my parents decided to become more religious in their late 20s, early 30s.
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So they brought us up with religion, but in a way that was not indoctrinated to them,
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It was a very religious life, a very Hasidic life.
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I don't live that way today, but I saw that my dad was very involved in the community.
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He helped out in pretty much anything he could.
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My dad was a government employee and my mom was a part-time teacher, but I saw them help
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people and I saw them, uh, I saw them do what they could to, to be better people and
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be better people within the community, within the community.
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I mean, it's felt it's, it's, it's felt you, you, um, I'm in a business of reading people.
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Many times people think I'm like a entrepreneur or insurance or finance.
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And I've been doing that for 20 years and I'm not on all the time, but I'm, can get
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So, uh, so flip the question for you now on, you know, raising kids.
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Are you trying to beat your parents record or no?
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No, but I have a two-year-old, a one-year-old and a newborn.
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That, then that means that you're using your addiction in the right way.
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You're using it with one family and you're building your kids.
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Uh, by the way, Patrick, a lot of people who are porn addicts don't have a lot of sex
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Hey, how many times do you and your wife have sex?
1.00
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And you know, it's like, well, we only have sex once a month.
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That's many people who have asked that weird question.
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And for whatever reason, that question is being asked a lot in the last five years.
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But here's a question for you, just out of curiosity.
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You got three kids, two, one, and one on the way.
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I got a nine, seven, a four, and one on the way.
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Like the approach you're going to take with this, with your kids?
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Have you sat there and said, you know, when my kids come up this age, this is how
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I'll tell you something that happened a few weeks ago.
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I've thought about it for my kids, but I got a lot of nephews and nieces.
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A few weeks ago, I come downstairs with a t-shirt.
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It's a t-shirt from Fight the New Drug that says, Porn Kills Love.
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And I don't think about wearing around my kids because my kids don't read yet.
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But my nephew was over and my nephew was, um, two nephews.
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And I actually went to a 12 step meeting after that.
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And while I was sitting there, I was thinking, saying, hey, he saw the Porn Kills Love and
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he asked about porn and I got a little bit ashamed.
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But if you look at those stats, that's the average age that kids look at porn.
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I said that, you know, yes, I probably wore the wrong shirt, right?
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But on the other hand, I think that a conversation has to happen.
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There's nothing you can do technology wise to stop your kids from watching porn.
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You want to have filters, but what are you going to do when they're at a friend's house
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and you think you're going to tell them they're not going to have a phone?
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Then they're going to feel like the kid that's left out.
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So the only, the only thing we could do sort of, you know, if we want to take on the fight
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with the government and everything else with the porn industry, there's some people
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But short of that, if the industry looks like it does now and it's as accessible, then
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we got to be able to sit down and have conversations and they know they can, they can talk to us.
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Well, I can tell you, there's three types of audiences that are going to watch this video.
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This interview, one is going to say, I don't struggle with porn.
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Then share this with somebody who, you know, that may struggle with porn.
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Then there's going to be an audience that's going to say, yeah, I watch porn, but I don't
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If you think it's a big deal, it's just watching a movie.
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Then there's going to be the third kind that's going to say, you know what?
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I may have a challenge that I can't stop consuming the content.
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We are going to put the link to everything Ellie just shared with us, whether it's Covenant
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Eyes, whether it's the book he talked about Out of Shadows by Patrick J. Carnes.
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And I'll put the link below as well to fight the new drug for you to go do your own due diligence
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And if you want to get a hold of Ellie as well, we'll put the link below for you to
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And if you're somebody that watched the entire interview, I'd be curious to know what you
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Maybe you comment proudly and say, here's where I'm at.
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But definitely, if you're someone that relates to Ellie, we have links below to everything
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And if you want to watch another interview that has to do regarding porn addiction and
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dopamine by a doctor who does this professionally, click over to watch the interview with Daniel