Valuetainment - April 01, 2025


“Victim of Torture” - Lesley Stahl SHOCKING Question Of Hamas Hostage


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Leslie Stahl's question to freed Israeli-American hostage Keith Siegel has gone viral and people are questioning why she asked the question. Is it a political question or is it a question that needs to be asked to a terrorist victim?

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00:00:00.000 Let me kind of go to a clip that's gone viral, folks, in the last couple of days.
00:00:05.320 It's Leslie Stahl's viral clip from 60 Minutes interview that people are reacting to.
00:00:11.940 It's absolutely berserk.
00:00:13.400 Even Scott Jennings had to say some stuff about this earlier.
00:00:17.760 This is a 60-minute interview with freed Israeli-American hostage Keith Siegel
00:00:22.260 when viral after she asked the following question.
00:00:25.440 Go ahead, Rob.
00:00:25.900 The terrorists became very mean and very cruel.
00:00:30.000 And violent.
00:00:31.460 More so.
00:00:32.340 Much more so.
00:00:33.840 They were beating me and starving me.
00:00:35.760 Do you think they starved you or they just didn't have food?
00:00:39.040 No, I think they starved me and they would often eat in front of me and not offer me food.
00:00:45.980 Go back to that question one more time, Rob.
00:00:48.600 Okay, go ahead.
00:00:50.400 Do you think they starved you or they just didn't have food?
00:00:53.220 Can we hear that one more time, Rob?
00:00:54.540 Just one more time.
00:00:55.320 Yeah, go ahead.
00:00:55.720 One more time.
00:00:56.300 I just want to hear it.
00:00:56.820 Do you think they starved you or they just didn't have food?
00:01:00.820 Okay, to everybody that's watching this, okay, if you were a journalist, would you ever in a million years ask that question?
00:01:11.060 I would actually want to know who said yes.
00:01:13.000 Okay, think about the question.
00:01:14.220 Play it one more time, Rob.
00:01:16.440 Play it one more time.
00:01:17.320 Go a little bit back.
00:01:18.580 Okay.
00:01:19.380 Okay.
00:01:19.740 Right there.
00:01:21.180 Do you think they starved you or they just didn't have food?
00:01:24.280 So who is she talking?
00:01:25.400 So, hey, you're a kid.
00:01:28.320 They interviewed a kid.
00:01:29.660 My parents never had food to eat.
00:01:32.820 And the kid is an anorexic, whatever, 70-pound, 5'8 kid.
00:01:36.620 Okay.
00:01:37.440 And a reporter asked, do you think they starved you or they just didn't have any food?
00:01:41.660 It's a bit of a weird question to ask, right?
00:01:44.100 It's a bit of a weird question to be asking on 60 Minutes and another one of those reasons why they're losing credibility.
00:01:49.640 Vinny, your thoughts when you see something like this.
00:01:51.120 I mean, when I heard this yesterday, I didn't believe it because I was like, no, this has to be other AI or something. 0.96
00:01:56.860 But it's one of the most dumbest, tone-deaf questions to ask a torture victim who's been captive from Hamas for over, what, 480 days? 0.97
00:02:08.620 And, like, imagine being tortured, starved, and beaten down by terrorists and you come back. 0.99
00:02:12.260 And mind you, she's Jewish herself. 0.75
00:02:14.620 How are you asking that question?
00:02:16.360 And it's like either she's pretending to be clueless or she's making the bad guys look good.
00:02:21.220 Either way, it's just another reminder I want everybody to know that's why mainstream media is on its last leg and dying because of that type of stuff.
00:02:29.160 She's 83 years old.
00:02:30.620 And I know my mom is almost 80.
00:02:32.200 She's running.
00:02:32.680 She's doing good.
00:02:33.380 But what type of question?
00:02:34.300 How insensitive is that to ask someone that literally just survived?
00:02:38.760 Probably one of the worst experiences that him or anybody else is going to deal with.
00:02:42.200 And she asked him that question.
00:02:43.340 Do you think she's asking a political question?
00:02:45.860 Or maybe, let's be fair to her, do you think she's asking a question that she really was thinking about?
00:02:50.600 Like, do you think she's asking the question that she really thought maybe the terrorists were starving and so they didn't even have any food to give to you?
00:02:59.020 Because if you're a terrorist, do you think you have a hard time getting access to anything?
00:03:03.500 You're terrorizing.
00:03:04.520 So, which means you do what?
00:03:05.560 You're willing to do anything and everything at all costs to get food, money, shelter. 0.99
00:03:09.740 You're a terrorist. 0.97
00:03:10.680 You're terrorized. 1.00
00:03:12.060 But did you hear?
00:03:12.840 You heard her.
00:03:13.800 Before this, he goes, no, no.
00:03:15.440 I'm sorry.
00:03:15.860 He goes, no, they're eating in front of me and teasing me and taunting me.
00:03:19.920 Yeah.
00:03:20.240 Which is, it's just, it's unbelievable.
00:03:22.420 Thoughts?
00:03:22.540 What I, I did the same thing you just did.
00:03:26.220 I rewound it a couple times.
00:03:27.780 I wanted to make sure I understood context because I had a real reaction at first.
00:03:32.520 I was like, you know, what are you thinking?
00:03:33.980 That was what I was thinking.
00:03:35.320 And I think this shows, in my opinion, I think this shows she has a predisposition.
00:03:41.480 You can always tell when you interview somebody or you talk to somebody, you ask one or two questions and they give you one or two answers.
00:03:48.440 And you're like, okay, I can see which way this person leans.
00:03:51.440 We've all said that in our minds when we've interviewed somebody for a job or you've spoken to somebody you just met.
00:03:56.060 Oh, I see.
00:03:56.680 I see which way this person, I see which way the wind blows with this person.
00:03:59.980 All those, all those phrases that run through our heads.
00:04:02.440 In this, the word that came to my head, I said, wow, I wonder if Leslie Stahl doesn't have a predisposition that favors the Palestinian situation and the Hamas and Gaza situation. 0.99
00:04:17.060 And so her, she doesn't even realize it, but her questions are coming out, showing doubt to the other side because she's got this predisposition.
00:04:27.460 In the old West, they used to say, you walk into a court and if the judge is already frowning, forget it.
00:04:33.820 You're guilty.
00:04:34.800 You know what I mean?
00:04:35.800 Then that used to be the thing.
00:04:37.080 It says, when you walked in the court, what the judge, he was frowning.
00:04:39.480 Okay, you're done.
00:04:40.120 And it kind of feels like that.
00:04:42.480 And I look at this.
00:04:43.680 She's a career journalist.
00:04:44.680 She's had a distinguished career, regardless of what you think of her individual politics that she's displayed.
00:04:49.840 But it just felt to me, Pat, that she had a predisposition and it's almost just off the top of her head and reflexively coming out.
00:04:56.660 And it was disappointing because she's talking.
00:04:59.600 She's not making a commentary on a new show.
00:05:02.840 She's speaking directly to a victim of torture, imprisonment, who is just praising his personal God that he's out alive.
00:05:12.880 Adam.
00:05:14.440 So, for some reason, I'm actually not that offended by her question.
00:05:19.000 So, let's give it some context.
00:05:21.580 So, she's interviewing a hostage who was released.
00:05:25.520 Yeah.
00:05:25.880 And the tone of the questioning is maybe what I would find an issue with.
00:05:31.360 But she's asking that question to the wrong person.
00:05:35.140 So, the question of whether Israel is having a blockade of food and goods into Gaza certainly could be had because they are. 0.96
00:05:44.420 Now, why are they doing that?
00:05:46.440 Why would you blockade a country from importing goods?
00:05:50.780 Because oftentimes those goods are terrorist items.
00:05:56.380 Right?
00:05:56.500 So, it's like, you know, the whole conversation that we're having here in America is building a wall.
00:06:01.360 Why do we want to build a wall to maybe stop illegal things from coming in the country?
00:06:06.460 Whether it's people, whether it's trafficking, whether it's drugs, whether it's guns.
00:06:11.040 We all know how powerful the cartel is in Mexico.
00:06:14.140 You know, people in Mexico were, I think, in one week, like 20 politicians.
00:06:18.020 Yeah, we're no longer running, if you know what I mean.
00:06:19.800 Because they were dead.
00:06:21.480 So, you know, last week, it was something very, very, very unique that happened in Gaza.
00:06:28.080 Do you know what that was?
00:06:29.400 There was a protest against a government in that region from the Palestinians.
00:06:36.920 And who do you think they were protesting against?
00:06:38.700 Hamas. 0.73
00:06:39.080 They were protesting against Hamas.
00:06:40.760 So, you hear this conversation and this slogan, free Palestine.
00:06:47.040 Go ahead, play it.
00:06:53.280 I wonder what happened to them after this, though.
00:06:56.460 So, you hear Palestine will be free from the river to the sea. 0.94
00:07:00.860 What does that even, what does that look like?
00:07:02.200 What does that mean?
00:07:02.840 Free Palestine.
00:07:03.480 Often, when people tell me free Palestine, I say, yes, from Hamas, right? 0.98
00:07:09.380 Free the people of Iran from the Mullahs and the Ayatollahs. 1.00
00:07:13.100 Free Lebanon from Hezbollah. 1.00
00:07:14.960 Free Yemen from the Houthis. 1.00
00:07:16.860 Free Iraq from Al-Qaeda and ISIS, whatever it may be. 0.81
00:07:21.220 It's these terrorist groups that are effectively terrorizing the people.
00:07:25.080 And it's the armies, the democratic elected armies, whether it's Israel, whether it's the U.S.,
00:07:30.380 whether it's even the people of Lebanon, who are like, yeah, we just want to not have terrorism in our country.
00:07:36.580 We had a meeting with, I won't say his name, someone pretty high up in the Middle East, Saudi.
00:07:43.680 And they had a major problem.
00:07:47.400 There's a sect of Islam in Saudi specifically called Wahhabism.
00:07:53.200 And Wahhabism is a very strict, literal definition of Islam.
00:07:58.020 To my Muslim friends out there, if I'm not getting the definition right, forgive me.
00:08:02.480 But MBS, Crown Prince MBS, basically, when he took office, he's like, no, no, no.
00:08:08.300 No more of this.
00:08:10.120 I'm the king, the crown prince.
00:08:11.840 I'm running this country.
00:08:13.120 Because they understand the threat that Islamic extremism and jihadism brings to their own countries. 0.99
00:08:20.160 Remember, we played a clip of, I think it might have been from the UAE.
00:08:24.480 And he was giving an interview about how the West is doomed because they're coddling illegal immigration. 0.99
00:08:31.820 And he's like, you know, I'm going to say it in English about what the West doesn't understand and Europe doesn't understand.
00:08:38.420 And she goes, no, no, it's okay.
00:08:39.480 We have subtitles.
00:08:40.220 He goes, no, I'm going to say it in English so you don't get this right.
00:08:43.120 He's like, if you don't stamp out Islamic extremism, they're going to get you. 1.00
00:08:48.500 And they're going to dominate you. 0.88
00:08:49.820 And I'm Islamic.
00:08:51.900 I'm Muslim.
00:08:53.260 So is Israel possibly blockading things?
00:08:57.320 Yes.
00:08:57.740 But to this lady's point, interview a politician with that line of questioning, not a literal hostage who probably had no clue what was going on anyway. 1.00
00:09:06.600 Right?
00:09:07.040 Well, her predisposition that Tom was talking about, she's the one that tried to fact check Trump.
00:09:12.260 I know.
00:09:12.780 You know where she stands. 1.00
00:09:14.080 She's the one that was like, they didn't spine.
00:09:15.700 Come on.
00:09:16.340 And he was like, Leslie, what are you talking about?
00:09:17.840 This is 60 minutes.
00:09:19.540 Minutes.
00:09:19.780 Yeah. 0.99
00:09:20.060 It's like, no, no, Leslie, you have your freaking stance and we know who the hell you are. 1.00
00:09:23.420 So, I mean, tone deaf and just, it's unbelievable. 0.98
00:09:26.700 BBD, why did you want to play this clip?
00:09:30.820 Why were you so offended?
00:09:31.940 I'm like, all right, she's a journalist.
00:09:33.440 She's maybe a leftist.
00:09:34.680 What was it to you that was like, nah, this is very inappropriate?
00:09:38.500 A person just came from, you know, being held hostage and you want to ask him a question
00:09:43.380 like that.
00:09:44.860 Like, hey, maybe they didn't have any food.
00:09:46.780 Maybe they didn't have food to give you.
00:09:49.160 Go back to the clip and I'm just purely trying to pay attention to the words she used.
00:09:53.260 Okay?
00:09:54.060 So, if you go to the clip and start it from the beginning, Rob, so we can just see it.
00:09:59.000 Yeah.
00:09:59.600 Play it from the beginning.
00:10:01.360 The terrorists became very mean and very cruel.
00:10:05.120 The who?
00:10:05.500 The terrorists.
00:10:05.820 The terrorists. 0.99
00:10:06.500 He didn't say the Palestinians. 0.82
00:10:08.500 Go back again, Rob.
00:10:10.100 So, he says the terrorists, okay?
00:10:11.820 The terrorists became very mean and very cruel.
00:10:15.120 Right.
00:10:16.360 Okay, keep playing.
00:10:16.880 And violent.
00:10:17.560 More so.
00:10:18.480 Much more so.
00:10:19.960 They were beating me and starving me.
00:10:21.880 Do you think they starved you or they just didn't have food?
00:10:25.280 Look at his answer right here.
00:10:26.240 They starved me and they would often eat.
00:10:28.600 In front of me.
00:10:29.320 In front of me and not often.
00:10:30.560 Can you give me a favor, Rob?
00:10:31.360 Okay, so let's play literal.
00:10:33.140 Can you go look up the definition of terrorists or to terrorize, to terrorize, okay?
00:10:41.840 Terrorize definition.
00:10:43.240 Someone who kills innocent people.
00:10:44.600 Create a state of extreme fear and distress in filled with terror, right?
00:10:50.380 Okay.
00:10:50.620 So, what is a terrorist willing to use to get what they want?
00:10:56.840 What limitations do they have?
00:10:58.640 Zero limit.
00:10:59.240 They'll do anything.
00:11:00.100 So, guess what?
00:11:00.660 That means a terrorist is going to find their food, the women, anything they want.
00:11:06.320 They're willing to do everything and anything at all costs to hold you hostage.
00:11:09.680 Anything.
00:11:09.940 If that's the true definition of terrorists, what do you mean maybe they don't have food?
00:11:14.580 They're going to get their food one way or another.
00:11:16.820 Of course.
00:11:17.220 They're going to get the girls one way or another because they're willing to terrorize. 1.00
00:11:21.480 So, if he was talking about, if she was talking about Palestinians holding him hostage because they're upset at him for being Jewish or idea for whatever.
00:11:30.160 Okay, cool.
00:11:30.780 Yeah.
00:11:31.100 Maybe Palestinians don't have food because a blockade and the food is not coming in.
00:11:34.760 But this is a terrorist she's talking about.
00:11:37.200 A terrorist is going to get what they want.
00:11:38.660 This is, again, my opinion I'm giving to this here.
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