Was The Moon Landing Faked？ This Man Believes It Was
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Bart Sabrawlin is the author of Moon Man: The True Story of a filmmaker on the CIA Hit List. He was also the infamous man behind the show, I'm Sorry, the show. The man behind funny things happen on the way to the moon. He does not believe we landed on the moon, and thinks it's a hoax.
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My guest today is Bart Sabrawlin. You may remember him as the time where he approached
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Buzz Aldrin and he asked him to put his hands on the Bible to swear as if they had landed on the
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moon. He went around talking to a lot of people. I think there was even a documentary about it.
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And then Buzz Aldrin got upset and punched him in. If you've ever seen that clip,
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that's the individual I'm interviewing today. He just recently wrote a book
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called Moon Man, the true story of a filmmaker on the CIA hit list. He was also the infamous man
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behind the, I'm sorry, the show, the man behind the infamous funny things happen on the way to the
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moon. He does not believe we landed on the moon. He thinks it's a hoax and a lot of other things are
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hoax. We're going to see if we can figure this thing out by the end of today's interview. Having
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said that, Bart, thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.
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So Bart, years have passed. Articles, videos, many people, powerful people have come out and said,
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Bart, you have no clue what you're talking about. Tell us why you were so convinced that the moon
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landing was a hoax and what gave you this idea that it was a hoax?
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Well, I grew up as the biggest supporter of the moon landings. My dad was in the Air Force.
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He was an officer. He got a packet at the time of the alleged moon landings of publicity,
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nine by 12 color pictures. I had them up on my wall for 10 years, saw them every day from the age of
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four to 14, which is 3,650 times. And then I saw a television show with this gentleman by the name
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of William Casey on it. He worked as a contractor for Rocketdyne during the Apollo program for six
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years. He had very high security clearances because he would edit communications going from
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the top generals back and forth to correct their grammar and everything so they wouldn't look
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immature. And so he saw a classified memo from Von Braun, who said the odds of going to the moon
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successfully on the first attempt with 1960s technology was a one in 10,000 chance.
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And so he saw all these departments being shuffled around all the time. Just as soon as somebody
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got their full understanding of what they were doing, they would shuffle everybody around. They
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were doing departmentalization so no one could see the full picture that the equipment certainly
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couldn't do it. I mean, here's the simplest proof. It's simply logical. What they're claiming is that
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they went a thousand times farther than they can send astronauts today, 50 years ago on the first
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attempt with one millionth the computing power of a cell phone. I mean, when they flew across the
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Atlantic for the first time, a few years later, hundreds of aircraft and thousands of aircraft
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were flying across the Atlantic. When they went to the North Pole and South Pole here on Earth,
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they never made it the first attempt. It took multiple times. And there's never been a
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technological achievement that no one could repeat 50 years later. It's like me telling you
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50 years ago, Toyota made a car that could go 50,000 miles on a gallon of gasoline. And yet today,
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five decades later, their best car can only go 50 miles per gallon or 1,000th the distance.
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You would laugh and say the original claim is preposterous. And so here we are 50 years later,
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and now the farthest they can send an astronaut to the moon is 1,000th the distance that they claim
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to have done on their first attempt 50 years ago with less computing power than a cell phone,
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one millionth of the computing power. It just doesn't add up. It's the only technological achievement
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that could not be repeated 50 years later. It's never happened. It's also the only time that they
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deliberately destroyed a technology. I mean, the B-52 is 70 years old and there's still 200 of them
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in service. And yet they admit they destroyed all the Apollo equipment and they're claiming they have
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to go back to the moon and recreate it from scratch. They destroyed all the original videotapes,
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all the original blueprints. You would never do that if you really went. You would only do that
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if there was a fraud and you were trying to cover your tracks. So I started looking into it at a 14
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year old thinking, Hey, you know, maybe the sky's right. I was open-minded 14 year old. And then 10
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years later, I'd become a filmmaker and I was editing for the filmmaker who had produced the show. I saw 10
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years earlier. I said, do you remember that guy on your show who said, we didn't go to the moon? No.
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Call the San Francisco production office. I did. They said, Hey, look, if you called one or two days later,
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we wouldn't be able to tell you because we're deleting all 10 year old archives. So I called
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up the guy. He said, Hey, you know, you're a filmmaker. You should do a film about this. I
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took off about six months. I found out that two of the three astronauts on the first mission
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never give interviews. I found out that the administrator of NASA resigned days before the
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first mission. It's kind of strange before you're putting this big feather in your cat.
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I found out that the Soviets had launched the first satellite, the first animal, the first man,
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the first woman, the first spacecraft, the first of two spacecrafts at the same time.
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And they spent 500 hours in space for every 100 hours in space. And they never went to the moon.
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And then I look at these shadows, you know, I'm a filmmaker. My job is to make fake scenes look real.
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And I can tell you from showing you one simple photograph that, that the moon landings are
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shot with electrical lighting. I mean, if you go out in sunlight, I can share my screen. If you want
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shadows always run parallel, you and a friend go out on a sunny day, and you'll see your shadows
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will never intersect. But in some of the moon pictures, they intersect at 90 degrees.
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Do you have the pictures to show us to explain what you mean by it?
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Take the lead. Let's see what you have. Let's, let's, and folks, if you're watching this right
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now, put a thumbs up if you believe moon landing happened. Put a thumbs down if you don't believe
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it happened. If the topic interests you, smash that subscribe button. But, Bart, show us what you mean
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by this lighting. So, here is a picture that I took in sunlight. You'll see that the shadows,
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because the sun is about a thousand times bigger in diameter than the earth, that it casts shadows
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in the same direction over an entire continent, right? Here's a picture that NASA claims was taken
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on the moon, okay? Here you see the shadows are from an object about five feet apart from one another.
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Here's the astronaut's shadow going at 12 o'clock. Here's the shadow of a rock about five feet away.
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It's going at nine o'clock. I mean, this is one, this is all the proof that you need
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that the moon landings are fake. My job as a filmmaker is to make fake scenes look real.
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I use electrical lighting all of the time. And when I looked at those pictures,
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10 years after I had heard Bill Casey on television for the first time, when I was a professional
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filmmaker, I said, these things are guaranteed 100% shot in electrical lighting. I mean, there it is
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right here. This is all the proof that you need that we didn't go to the moon. And then, in the
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course of making a funny thing happened on the way to the moon, we found classified footage of them
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faking part of the photography right in front of your eyes. I can share that now or share that in the
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future. Show it to us. Show it to us. You're on a roll right now. Let's see it. Okay. You just
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messed up with our head today, but go ahead. You're on a roll. Okay. Well, here is, here's what I popped
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in this tape and what was on the label of the tape and what was actually on the tape. Of course,
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this is, this isn't a copyrighted film from me. A funny thing happened on the way to the moon.
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I popped in this tape and researching my film and it said, do not show to the public. Okay. Mind you,
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I had asked them for all the footage from just the first mission, figuring if they faked it,
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there are more, they were more likely to have made a mistake the first time they faked it.
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So I pop in this tape, it says, do not show to the public. Right. And then I'm going to cue up the
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next shot of it here. And then I see this particular shot here of what is allegedly the blue earth
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floating in space, because at this point in the mission, they're supposed to be 130,000 miles away
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from the earth. And this is allegedly with the camera up against their window, shooting the earth
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far away, which it's not. They were on the rocket, but they never left earth orbit. And what a surprise
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here we are 50 years later, and they still cannot send an astronaut beyond earth orbit. Isn't that
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amazing? I mean, when the question, when they were doing this, were you following the whole thing from
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the day they left to the day they landed on the moon or no? Well, I was only four years old at the
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time. I investigated this 30 years after the fact. Okay. So if you investigated, here's a question for
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you. So when they left, this is, this is, uh, uh, when they left to go land on the moon from the day
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they left earth, when did they land on the moon? How many days did it take to they landed on the moon?
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Well, they allegedly left on the 16th of July, 1969, and allegedly landed on the moon four days later
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on July 20th. This was the only fake footage that the astronauts faked themselves. Now the,
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basically I gotten the same footage over and over again. I asked for unedited footage, but I didn't
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get any except by accident. Bill casing thinks a whistleblower from NASA sent me this footage
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intentionally. Okay. The, so when I hit fast forward in the machine, I kept seeing this same shot for the
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full hour, which is kind of odd. Why would I see this little shot here of the earth floating in space
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for a full hour? Because it was a special effect shot that they were trying to perfect. So I,
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I rewound the tape, I hit play. Now I'm going to put, uh, the speaker up by my microphone so you can
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take a little listen. And I heard the CIA talking to the astronauts on the tape. Take a listen.
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Okay. So you just heard NASA talking to the astronauts. Hey, the TV picture looks great.
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Then there's a four second delay. And then a third party, the CIA says talk. And then the astronauts
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answer, Hey, the TV picture looks great. Well, they're really in earth orbit. So they heard them
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right away. If they had answered right away, it would give away the fact that they're very close to
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the earth. So they had an earpiece in and basically they were instructed not to answer NASA until four
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seconds went by. So first they were at, asked the question, they counted off four seconds. The CIA
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said talk, and then they started answering to give the impression that they were far away from the
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earth when in fact they were still in earth orbit, which is where they stayed the entire time. And they
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claimed, as you'll see from the next clip, or I could show that, that talk one more time, if you want to
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He can edit this out if you want. This is from my documentary.
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He can edit this out if you want. This is from my documentary.
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He can edit this out if you want. This is from my documentary.
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So whoever's saying talk, they're crystal clear. NASA has that radio EQ. The astronauts have that
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radio EQ. But whoever said talk, you know, that's the CIA. They're very close. So basically,
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Now, why are they doing that? Why are they, what's the motive to fake this?
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Okay, because they can't leave earth orbit. And so they have to show footage as if they've left earth orbit.
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Okay, so if you go to the next clip here, right, this is of them claiming to be 130,000 miles away from the earth.
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We only have one window that has a view of the earth, and it's filled up with the TV camera.
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Okay, you just said they only had one window that faces the earth, and it's filled up with the TV camera,
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right, which it would have to be. If this is really the earth floating in space, then they have to have the
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camera's lens up against the window in order to shoot this, right? Here he is claiming, first he claimed that
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the lens of the camera is up against the glass to shoot this. This is allegedly the earth floating in space,
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and this is space around it. But you'll see in a minute, this is really the circular window of the
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spacecraft with a section of the earth outside of it. And the cameras pulled back at the at the back
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of the spacecraft with all the lights turned off, all of which they talked about because they thought
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these private conversations would be edited out. Let's take a listen of him claiming that he's 130,000
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miles away from the earth or halfway to the moon.
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Okay, so right now he's claiming that this is a hundred and thirty thousand miles out.
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Okay, so right now he's claiming that this is 130,000 miles out, that this is the earth floating in
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space, right? And that he has the camera up against the windows glass. Hold on, let me try to put these
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side by side. Okay, so here he is claiming on the left hand side that this is the earth floating in space.
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And he also said that the camera is up against the glass of the window. But look on the right hand side,
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where the recording they thought stopped, but it kept going. They also say on the tape that this is
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for playback later, meaning it's not live like they claimed. Now take a look at the image on the right hand
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side instead. Okay, so here you see the real position of the camera. This is the footage that we
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uncovered that they said at the beginning, do not show to the public. This is proof that they're faking
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being halfway to the moon. Here's a work light inside of the spacecraft. They put a crescent piece
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of material inside the window to make it look like the Terminator line between night and day.
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Here they are removing part of that. Those are the astronauts in front of the window, removing this
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is a one foot model of the earth. You see that? Then we see the iris open up and we see the real
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location of the camera being at the back of the spacecraft. You see that? So they just faked, they just faked
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really the window of the spacecraft in Earth orbit with the bright Earth shine coming
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through. But over here, they claimed it was the Earth floating in space. Do you see
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that? We have the unedited version. That's why it said at the
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beginning of the film, you know, do not show this to the public,
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right? And, you know, they're claiming that they're 100...
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Casey believes a whistleblower from NASA sent it to us. So basically, three and a half years into
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the seven-year project of making a funny thing happen on the way to the moon, I discovered this
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footage. This footage of the crew of Apollo 11 faking being halfway to the moon. Now, why are they
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faking being halfway to the moon? Because they cannot go halfway to the moon. If they could really go,
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we'd be seeing the real Earth out the window, and they wouldn't be faking
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they would have to go through in order to reach
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Shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle
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must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space so bart go okay so
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the point about this is you can edit some of that out i didn't basically he's saying we must solve
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these challenges before we send people through this region of space okay so basically the guy
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just said that the technology to go through the radiation belt has yet to be invented first he
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called them dangerous radiation this was from an unmanned probe i believe it was in 2016 the orion
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project okay they sent an unmanned probe up there with two geiger counters they said it's a dangerous
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radiation and he says we must solve these radiation challenges before we send people through this
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region of space meaning the technology to send human beings to the radiation field has yet to
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be invented you see that so i call up nasa i said let me talk to this guy i'm a journalist he said oh
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no he didn't talk to journalists anymore since he made that mistake and i said well send me these
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geiger counter readings right of the of the radiation belts and they said that's classified i said wait a
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minute you sent probes to the sun to find out how much helium is in the sun those measurements are just
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nature they're not classified you sent probes to jupiter to find out how much hydrogen is in jupiter's
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atmosphere that's just nature so why would the amount of radiation in this radiation belt surrounding
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earth why would those measurements be classified because if they release them it would prove that
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they're deadly and they cannot go to the moon so basically i found this footage and making a funny
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thing happen on the way to the moon and it proves that they're basically faking being halfway to the
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moon right in front of your eyes and then we have the audio of the cia telling them how to do it because
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they're still in earth orbit so if the radio signal goes up and back from 250 miles up they'll answer the
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question right away but that would give away the fact that they're not 130 000 miles away as they claim
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because it would take the radio signal more time to go out and come back that's why they had the
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earpiece in and they counted off four seconds for them nasa said the picture looks great 1001
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two three four talk and then he answers right after he was prompted to talk first of all nasa claimed
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there's only two people on their channel that's a lie because there's the third party prompting them
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to not speak until four seconds go by and why would they do that unless they're faking an increased
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radio delay then we have nasa about five years ago admit that the technology to go through the
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radiation belts has yet to be invented and no one asks well then how did the apollo astronauts go to
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the moon and back and then you just you know when they made the atomic bomb 10 years later it was like
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100 times more powerful and another 10 years later it was a thousand times more powerful this is the
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only time in world history that technology has gone backwards if they really went to the moon on the
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first attempt with one millionth the computing power of a cell phone they would have been on mars 10
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years later they would have been in another solar system by now and there'd be barge let me ask you
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this let me ask you this so okay so just just for everybody are you are you a flat earther yourself or no
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no why would the earth be flat that's that's a ruse to discredit people no i'm just asking you so the
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audience know this you don't believe the earth is flat no not at all okay i mean that when bill
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casing was first on the oprah winfrey show he was my original source at nasa and he said they faked
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the moon landing in order to discredit them they said oh then you must believe that the earth is flat
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also you know i mean come on it the shape of the earth doesn't have anything to do with the corruption
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let me continue let me continue so so a few things i'm going to take both sides of the argument
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because this is how i get to the truth so i'm going to give arguments from both sides and then you
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uh uh you know give your uh rebuttal to it and we'll go from there when when he said there's one
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in 10 000 chance in 1969 technology they can land on the moon one in 10 000 is not a big number just so
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you know like in my mind i don't go like you know because winning the lottery say one in 6.8 billion
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whatever the number is that's like ridiculous one in 10 000 you know back in 19 what is that paper done
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in 1903 the new york times said the chances of man flying a plane will take a hundred years of
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what you've you've read the quote before which is like mathematically impossible then nine months later
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the wright brothers flew plane so that one i would set that part aside 10 percent of americans today
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believe that man never landed on the moon so this is not actually that you're quoting a unfortunately
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that's a survey they always quote when they do an article about the people who who think the moon
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landings are fake that that's from 22 years ago because the correct survey today which they don't
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want to show is one out of four people we already have three out of four people 75 i'm sorry what do
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you have that for you to say the correct one is one out of four what's the source oh there's been
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multiple sources on that the problem is they're quoting an old one in order to diminish the growing
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number of people who know that the moon land i know what i'm saying is what's the what's the updated
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one who who is the what's the credit i don't you have to you have to i have it linked uh in the
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references of my book i don't have that at hand at the moment the the point is that this is the first
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time that technology has gone backwards in the history of the world now it's impossible it's
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impossible for technology to go backwards how can we have one thousandth times greater we have one
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thousand times greater capability yeah this is to the moon 50 years ago it doesn't make any sense
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i'm looking at 10 percent pc mag is 10 percent uh this is from 2019 they're quoting a gallup poll
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from 1999 they quote the same one all the time no 1999 the gallup poll was six percent so 1999 if
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you can pull up this thing so we can show it as well while we're doing the editing in 1999 it was
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six percent today it's 10 but still what i'm trying to say is 10 is a big number that's not a small
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number 10 is still a big number to say 10 believe this never happened i there's some names that
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always i think whoopee was on the list step curry was on those there's a lot of people on the list
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of can you tell me big credible mathematicians doctors you know a famous power politicians
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presidents who don't believe this event took place any major names that support that yeah bill clinton
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on page 156 of his book my life he tells a story about when he was working with a carpenter back
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in 1969 he said uh hey you know to the carpenter while they were building a house bill clinton said
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to him hey in the moon landing great the carpenter said i don't believe them those television people
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can make you think one thing when they're really doing something else and then he said after spending
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eight years in washington he came to believe that the old man was ahead of his time meaning he also
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agreed that the moon landings were fake it's very simple there's no independent eyewitnesses no
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independent press coverage you know what i mean it's like uh they have a tv picture completely controlled
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by the federal government and three government employees of the of the alleged greatest event in human
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history i mean it's unbelievable that they're claiming that they went a thousand times farther
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than they can go today 50 years ago with one millionth of computing power that they have today it's a
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preposterous claim if it wasn't for people's emotional attachment to the patriotism or they it becomes a
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religion for people look how great science is look how great we are they would accept they would already
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acknowledge it can you can you walk us through what happened with the buzz aldrin incident you were you
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were trying to do a uh you were setting them up you were speaking to a few different people kind of
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walk us through what happened on that day well let me let me go back a little bit to the to the
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progress here even though we're kind of doing this out of order uh basically when bill casing first
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suggested that i do a film about this right which is when i was 24 years ago old it was about 30 years
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ago i turned it down because i saw the shadows intersecting i saw the soviets were more advanced i saw two of
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the three guys don't give interviews uh the administrator resigns they were the two guys that
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didn't give the interviews i'm just curious well michael collins and neil armstrong they only make
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very brief anniversary remarks every you know you know 10th anniversary or something like that buzz
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aldrin does you know all the talking for them and i find that kind of odd if there were you know
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three people who you know won a great sporting event and and two of the three refused to ever talk
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about it i would find that kind of strange and if the administrator of that sporting event resigned a
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few you know uh weeks before the first commission or first game of that series and there was you know
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all this suggestion of fraud i would find that suspicious i mean that photograph of 90 degree shadows
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from objects five feet apart it's electrical lighting there's no way to duplicate that in
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sunlight it's impossible it means those pictures were taken here on earth so but i'm telling you 30
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years ago it scared me because i personally i have kind of a relentless personality and i also love
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puzzles we were talking about games before we got started i love games and puzzles and i said to
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myself patrick i said look if anyone could figure out whether he went to the moon or not
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it would probably be me and i said you know it looks like there's a good possibility that the
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missions were fraudulent and so i turned down the project i said i want to have a wife and a family
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someday why should i risk my life for other people's mistakes so i turned down the project
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and then another client of mine a christian client said hey i'll get one of your scripts uh mr filmmaker
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to a famous hollywood producer if you do me a favor i'm like sure they said read the bible
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so i started reading the bible june 5th 1989 the day the man stood in front of the tanks in china
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and it was a one-year bible divided into 365 reads and over the next five years i read the bible five
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times from cover to cover and after that i realized you know there is a god there is good and evil
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there is a judgment for how we live our life and i said to myself if they didn't go to the moon
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that's more profound than if they'd actually gone think about this patrick let's say they could go to
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the moon that would have a certain level of significance to mankind but if they couldn't go
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they lied about it they murdered people to keep it a secret that's more profound than if they'd actually
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gone and i said if they didn't go this is important for mankind to know otherwise we won't grow we won't
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learn from our mistakes we'll be stuck in this corrupted world so i called up bill i said i changed
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my mind i decided to make the film anyway well let me tell you these films cost one million dollars
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and we were financed by a board member of an aerospace company who builds rockets from nasa
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he knows from an engineering point of view that we didn't go to the moon and he said it was his
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patriotic duty to finance these films to expose this fraud okay that's who financed our movie a board
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member of an aerospace company building rockets for nasa who knows they didn't go to the moon plus i had
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a guy who worked there for six years who said we didn't go to the moon but i still said well maybe
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we'll find out but when i found that footage of them faking the shot of being halfway to the moon
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with the cia telling them how to do it i'm like oh my gosh they really didn't go
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and then it got you know even worse then i found a source okay who was actually there at the time
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that they filmed it now this is what i'm releasing in moon man for the very first time he was personally
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there at a particular united states base military base and he stood beside president johnson while they
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filmed the faking of apollo 11 june 1st 2nd and 3rd of 1968 we're going to identify the code name for
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the apollo project the military base where it was filmed and a list of 15 people he was the chief of
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security at this base and he and they said only these 15 people were allowed in to eyewitness this
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event he had that list and he gave it to me he confessed on his deathbed that he was there and some of
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these people are still alive today and then in the course of finding this you know footage this proof
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that we didn't go to the moon you know my phone calls were interrupted i started being followed and
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at one point i was literally kidnapped and drugged by i presume the cia to the point where they were
00:31:48.660
asking me questions i they gave me true serum or something uh i told them everything they wanted to
00:31:54.580
know i escaped i took my urine sample to a lab uh to prove that i had been drugged illegally by this
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some exotic true serum drug i call back uh or actually a friend does because i was trying to not
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show if they were listening to my phone conversations that where i had gone but somehow they found out
00:32:15.260
anyway when my friend called the lab to get the results they said well we had a problem i said what was
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that problem they said well there was a break-in over the weekend in our lab and they said the only
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thing stolen was your urine sample you know so all of this you know it leads up to the second film
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astronauts gone wild where i just had the thought you know from tv shows growing up hey why not ask
00:32:41.480
somebody to swear on the bible so we tracked down a lot of these apollo astronauts and asked them to swear
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on the bible that they walked on the moon most of them would not do it one of them of course you know
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punched me one of us one of them kicked me one of them threatened to shoot me one of them threatened
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to hit me and one of them when i was in their house and they literally physically kicked me from
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behind when my back was turned right after they said they're not a violent person so they can't even lie
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not lie for five seconds and the commotion we left a wireless microphone on them yeah footage of all
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the stuff do you have a yeah it's it's an astronauts come on they have it queued up right now if you
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want to take a listen to it i'd love to see it and uh basically um let's see and you own this footage
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right this is your yeah this is my my copyrighted film and so basically we left a microphone on this
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guy my camera guy and the commotion of being threatened to be shot left the camera rolling in
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the back of the car and when they went back inside their house with the doors closed
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we heard their private conversations and you know because these are high quality microphones
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they work for quite a distance and when the production secretary who was transcribing all
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the interviews with the astronauts a month or so later she calls me up very excited says bart bart you
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know what they're talking about in your in their house privately you know when you when the camera
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was still recording said no tell me she says you're talking about calling the cia to have you
00:34:10.800
assassinated i said yeah that's funny just no bart no they're i'm serious i said yeah that's really
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funny so no bart you're not listening i'm being serious and sure enough they're discussing calling
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the cia to have me assassinated i'll queue it up right now the question is if they really went to
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the moon why would they need to call the cia to have a journalist who's completely wrong assassinated
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i have it here and here it is right here what do you think eric george what do you think did man land
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all righty so here's a clip from astronaut's gone wild where you can hear that live microphone
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and there you have it do you want to call the cia and have him whacked
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let me turn it up again who's that's whose voice that's the voice of the astronaut and his son talking
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inside their house which astronaut collins or armstrong
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now the question is if i'm a silly conspiracy theorist and i'm completely wrong
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you know then why would they have to call the cia to have me assassinated
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again if i'm a conspiracy theorist and i'm completely wrong and it's silly
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why would they have to call the cia to have me assassinated
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unless i'm a real investigative journalist uncovering a genuine and outrageous government fraud
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if he really walked on the moon me saying otherwise is like throwing a feather at the guy
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why would someone become violently angry for throwing a feather at them
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but what it was like is like me walking up to him in the company of his wife and saying
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then he gets angry and that's exactly what happened
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i exposed his fraud i exposed this guy's fraud and that's why they become so violent
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because they're known you know as heroes and that's you know the sad state of our country
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they gave congressional medals of honor they had ticker tape parades for these guys
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and some people say when you just see their expression
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they're convinced that they didn't go to the moon
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not only about my crazy adventures of being kidnapped and drugged
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not only about naming the military base where it was filmed the dates the code name and a list of 15 people who were there
00:37:13.840
it's it says look they're these people and their apprentices are still at large running our government
00:37:21.720
when did you get that audio of edgar mitchell what he said
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well we put it in the film the follow-up film called astronauts gone wild
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no did you ever give that to the did you ever approach anybody and and you know share it with
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you know the cops or anybody just to say here's what was said or no
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no however when my source okay about naming the base okay the code name for the military base
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and the list of 15 people who were there at the time some of whom are still alive today
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okay and when i named all of this i confirmed this with that person's surviving family member
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and when i did that a couple of days later their house was broken into
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even though they had a security system with cameras they were somehow disabled
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somehow they knew their password everything from their house about their relatives involvement
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in the military and at this base was confiscated
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and two or three days after that they were visited by two government agents who threatened
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them and their family members with death if they ever spoke to me again
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at that point i contacted the white house press secretary
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i contacted the united states senator on the select intelligence committee
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and i contacted the fbi near where this person lived to give them protection
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i mean this is a very serious thing you have to understand ralph nader okay he wrote a book in the 60s
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unsafe at any speed right and the ceo of general motors james roche admitted
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that he had ralph nader followed by former fbi agents right simply to not spend money to put airbags and cars
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so if i am exposing the most horrendous government fraud at least emotionally to the public
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i think they might keep up with me and my sources and that's why i was drugged that's why this person's
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life was threatened that's why all these things happen i mean i'm sorry i really wish we went to the moon
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our world would be a much better place if people didn't have their emotional attachment i mean it's
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it's like a religion to people how dare you say that the great moon landings are fake you know it's
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unbelievable we right now we have 3 000 architects and engineers right who will go on the record
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and risk their lifelong reputations and say the three buildings on 9-11 it's impossible for them to come
00:40:08.480
down with fires especially the third one and yet 20 years later nothing is done about it three
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quarters of the american public says oswald did not kill kennedy nothing is done about it we have
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john mcnamer admitting that the gulf of tolkien incident that led to over a million people dying
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they completely made that up it never happened and it's like why is nothing being done we have
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william benny who worked for the nsa for 30 years he says they listened to united states president's
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phone calls supreme court justices phone calls senate and congress members phone calls in order to get
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dirt to to blackmail them to voting a particular way they admit it this is even on a couple of
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mainstream media outlets they admit this is a fact there's not a single congressional hearing
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none about it you would well because the the evil people who run the world and our government
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are so entrenched they they own the fbi they own the justice department this never happened what's
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the big deal let's just say it never happened what is the big deal about us proving that this never
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happened well if you go to chapter 11 of my book moon man you see what the achilles heel of all this is
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i agree with you okay they fake going to the moon so what you know and if it weren't true what i'm about
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to tell you i would agree with you okay but the fact is they murdered the crew of apollo one in order to go
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to the moon apollo one was going to be the first crew to walk on the moon and they were murdered on january
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27th 1967 it's not my opinion it's the opinion of the dead man's widow it's the opinion of the dead
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man's son who was a 747 pilot they have investigated it for decades they are 100 convinced that that fire
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that killed the man and two crew members with him the man who would have been the first man to walk
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on the moon that that fire was set deliberately the basically gus grissom was the commander he was the
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most beloved of all the astronauts because of a mercury problem he splashed down the explosive bolts
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went off his spacecraft flooded he admitted at the press conference he had rolls of nickels in his
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pockets to give to his son and school children to say this nickel has been in outer space but when he
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started sinking to the bottom of the ocean with all that extra weight he said you know maybe it wasn't
00:42:33.100
such a great idea the press corps laughed and then somebody asked him they said were you afraid
00:42:39.520
and he said patrick of course i was afraid and everybody loved him he's telling he was the biggest
00:42:48.300
critic of the apollo one program he wrote to his senator he's wrote to his congressman he wrote to
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every general saying they're not fixing anything a few minutes before he was burned alive they couldn't
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get a wired intercom to work between two adjoining buildings he said guys how are we going to go to the
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moon in two years if we can't get an intercom to work between two buildings he said i can't hear you
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the intercom's not working you see and so he told his wife who i interviewed extensively okay that the cia
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was all over the launch pad the day before the fire the cia went to his house and confiscated all of
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his critical reports he was filing with congress before they even informed his widow that he was dead
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they murdered the apollo one crew because he would not cooperate in faking of the moon landing so the
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reason why this is a conspiracy obviously this has not been validated or it's not been this is a
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conspiracy you're saying that they murdered the three gus edward and roger well it's not a theory
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this is this is the valid lifelong opinion of betty and scott grissom they have done thousands of hours
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of investigation i'm just sharing their opinion their opinion is the apollo one fire was set
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deliberate okay right and they have forensic evidence to back it up so why would they burn alive why was
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the cia there the day before the fire why would they kill these three men and then later fake the moon
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landing because he wouldn't cooperate with it that's why he was he was he hung a lemon the size of a
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grapefruit at the top of the spacecraft a few days before he burned alive said this thing is a lemon
00:44:35.820
he said we're 10 years away from going to the moon not to and he complained thousands of times you need
00:44:42.960
to fix this this this they never fixed any of it because they knew they were only going into earth
00:44:48.160
orbit and they had not yet informed the astronauts same thing with baron he was a whistleblower and he
00:44:54.940
did a report two reports for congress saying you know this this is not going to the moon by the end of
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the decade and yet they claim they did something you know they're claiming they need 15 years to
00:45:07.980
return to the moon with five decades better technology than when they had an eight-year goal
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to go to the moon before cell phones and microwave ovens they could do it in eight years now 50 years
00:45:19.080
later it's going to take 15 years to go what's the argument they're making today while we can't go
00:45:22.940
back to the moon while we haven't been back to the moon what's the argument what are they making but
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they're making an argument what's their argument well they said they destroyed all the technology
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therefore they have to build it all again well it only took them eight years last time you don't
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understand i i mean reagan said they'd go back to the moon in five years never happened then the
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president after him clinton said they'd go to the moon never happened george bush senior said they'd
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return to the moon in five years never happened george bush jr said twice they'll go to the moon in five
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years never happened obama said we'd go to the moon in five years never happened they said we're
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gonna send an unmanned probe and they said they're gonna send an unmanned probe to orbit the moon
00:46:03.280
and that never happened they said that in in uh 2016 by 2018 we'll have an unmanned probe going around
00:46:09.740
the moon that never happened they can't even do that i mean did trump ever say we're going on the
00:46:14.300
moon we're gonna um i think he sent the goal of 2024 and they just said about i don't know three or
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four months ago they can't do that either and china which is the most industrialized nation on
00:46:28.340
the planet says they need 15 years minimum in order to go to the moon so how come they could do it
00:46:35.380
50 years ago in eight years and now with five decades better better rocket and computer technology
00:46:41.080
they need twice the time to go to the moon it's illogical there's never been a technological
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achievement that no one could repeat 50 years later never happened just crazy it was fraudulent
00:46:51.380
loch ness monster conspiracy or real i have no idea what does it matter i'm curious a bigfoot is
00:46:58.640
well i mean you know theoretically they're discovering i think in the ocean about 10 new
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species a day and they've been doing that for the last 50 years so theoretically i suppose there could
00:47:08.780
be a you know a theoretically prehistoric creature deep down somewhere that's still alive that people
00:47:14.720
don't know megalodon is there megalodon or you you believe there's still a megalodon out there or no
00:47:19.540
i don't know what a megalodon is what is it you've never seen meg the movie you've never seen meg
00:47:26.560
listen bart what are you doing you're missing out on some great i'm writing books you know movies out
00:47:33.380
there my kid my kids would tell you it's one of the greatest movies of all time here's another
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question for you i'm a i'm a i'm a man who believes in god but what do you say to people that
00:47:41.320
say let me get this straight you don't believe man landed on moon yet you believe in a god you've
00:47:46.880
never personally physically met before what do you say to that i've said those people need to read
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two books the first one is called privileged planet and the second book is one cosmos under god
00:47:58.340
and they will see that mathematically the odds of there being life on earth or anywhere in the
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universe is not likely at all it's like winning the powerball 20 times in a row remember what the
00:48:11.180
government says is generally the exact opposite of the truth they're trying to tell you that there
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must be life everywhere but these two books show you there shouldn't even be life on earth that it
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has to be by design there's no other explanation for it things don't make themselves cars don't make
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themselves look at our body all the departmentalized organs doing their job the ear it's it's obviously
00:48:33.580
design now whether you can understand it or not doesn't matter intellectuals get so prideful
00:48:38.980
they say well if we can't comprehend it it must not be true well my dog i can open the hood of my car
00:48:44.040
and say this is the alternator this is the starter it will never understand a spark plug but it doesn't
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mean that the engine wasn't designed by an intelligence higher than itself so the fact is
00:48:54.960
logic says they didn't go to the moon because it doesn't make sense that they could go a thousand times
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farther than they can go today 50 years ago with one millionth a competing power of a cell phone that's
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completely illogical it's the only time in history that technology went backwards it's the only time
00:49:12.380
in history that a technological claim couldn't be repeated 50 years later you have an audience of
00:49:17.080
two people here outside of you and i from the beginning of the interview to today eric does he
00:49:21.980
have you at all convinced that there's a possibility that the landing never happened moon landing never
00:49:26.620
happened no he hasn't changed your mind so you think it did happen i think it's like more likely
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than it didn't more likely that it did instead it didn't this is a marine by the way george you're
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you don't believe it ever happened so we're 50 50 right now we're 50 50 he also has not watched
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i i i i would guess ask ask ask the believer if he's watched the funny thing happened on the way to
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have you seen the funny thing happen george you've seen it before george have you seen it before or no
00:49:54.380
he's never watched it the one who there you go well four out of five people who previously thought
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that the moon landings were reveal were real reverse their opinion after watching a funny
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thing so then how about we do this how about we put the link to both the documentary and your book
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below for people to be able to go order for themselves all you got to do is put up sabrell.com
00:50:16.460
they can order the book the book is interactive the book has 15 video links in it and it basically i do
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a chapter or so i say look stop watch a funny thing happen on the way to the moon so you know what i'm
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talking about stop watch astronauts gone wild stop watch nasa admit the technology to leave earth
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orbit does not yet exist watch nasa admit that they destroyed the technology i mean imagine bill
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gates spending 200 billion dollars to build the first computer and when he was done throwing all
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the hardware the schematics all the records of it into the fireplace it would never happen they should
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have done that with the atomic bomb but they didn't so why would they if they really went to the moon
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and spent 200 billion dollars in today's dollars why would they throw that away they would never do
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that but the fact that they did is proof that they didn't go because if they really went they would
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never do it and if they were covering up the fraud that's exactly what they would do so there you go
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there you go folks if you're uh i'm actually really curious to know what the commentary is going
00:51:15.760
to be if you if you flipped anybody in the last 45 minutes to an hour that we've been together
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but regardless of it all i uh have more information on this topic than i did prior to coming on and
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interviewing you and it's always a good thing we're going to put the link below to your website
00:51:30.500
where people can go and get all this content uh from your site having said that bark thank you so
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much for being a guest on value tainment no problem appreciate you take care you too bye bye
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are you convinced that we land on the moon or no has he gotten you to flip to the other side were
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you thinking that way anyways curious you know if you thought yes the moon landing is fake like you're
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agreeing with him give it a thumbs up if you disagree with him giving the thumbs down and i
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got two other videos for you to watch one of them is with a gentleman i spoke that talked about space
00:51:59.840
as well michu kaku fascinating interview and there's another one i do with stephen greer who talks about
00:52:05.580
an experience he had with aliens very interesting doctor click here to watch that as well take care