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Worse Than 2008? - The Commercial Real Estate Crash


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If you own a lot of commercial real estate, you may want to skip today's video because the real estate industry is getting destroyed. Commercial real estate prices are falling rapidly and banks are not lending to buy real estate anymore. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

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00:00:00.000 If you own a lot of commercial real estate, you may want to skip today's video because the
00:00:03.220 commercial real estate industry is getting destroyed for a few different reasons. One,
00:00:07.560 in 2019, commercial real estate was already getting crushed because we were no longer going
00:00:11.880 to malls. How many malls did we see that were abandoned? I lived in an upscale community in
00:00:16.360 Dallas, Preston Hollow. Right across the street was a mall with a movie theater, abandoned massive.
00:00:21.460 We're seeing this across the country. Why? We're shopping online. Then COVID hits. People are not
00:00:26.160 working from home. Everybody was accidentally trained on working on Zoom. People have started
00:00:30.460 saying, maybe we don't need all this office space. Then on top of that, then rate spike comes the way
00:00:35.900 it is right now with interest rates. Then banks are getting destroyed and money's leaving banks
00:00:40.520 to money markets. Banks don't have the money to lend to commercial real estate buyers. People are
00:00:45.800 saying, what the hell is going on? Right now, there's a commercial real estate property in San
00:00:49.160 Francisco just five years ago. It was a $300 million property. This is in the news. They're
00:00:53.820 estimating it's going to sell on an 80% discount from $300 million to $60 million. And I'm going
00:01:01.640 to show you a few things that's going on right now with commercial real estate. Again, if
00:01:04.640 you're in this industry, watch it at your own risk. I don't know how closely you're following
00:01:09.120 on what's going on with Art as an alternative investment, but a lot of major companies like
00:01:13.900 Goldman Sachs, Pimco, they're starting to talk to their clients about alternative investment.
00:01:18.360 Matter of fact, this last year, I was at Art Basel and guess who was there? Goldman Sachs.
00:01:21.780 I had a dinner with them and it was all around people that are investing millions of dollars
00:01:26.120 into Art as an alternative investment. Here's some stats. 2022 was the biggest auction year
00:01:31.640 ever. Highest total from victory auction houses, nearly $18 billion. So now you may say, Pat,
00:01:38.280 that's great. I can't afford to buy a $5 million piece of Art or an $800,000 piece of Art. I
00:01:42.520 don't have that kind of money. You sometimes talk about baseball cards you bought for a million
00:01:45.800 dollars. I don't have that kind of money. I understand. The same way they created mutual funds,
00:01:50.680 a company called Masterworks, allows you to buy into Art by Andy Warhol, Pablo Picasso,
00:01:57.140 whoever may be, Banksy, but you buy shares of that Art. So you'll say, here's a million
00:02:02.940 dollar piece. I own a share of this Art. And then while they sell it, you make the return
00:02:07.580 on that piece of Art. So today, with what's going on with inflation, with what's going on
00:02:11.880 with the economy, with what's going on with the stock market, people are a little bit concerned.
00:02:15.260 One of the asset classes people are looking at is alternative investments,
00:02:18.620 specifically in Art. And if you want to participate in this, I highly recommend you look into
00:02:23.800 Masterworks. Everything they do is buy the books. SEC, you have to do your own due diligence while
00:02:28.480 you go through. But if it is something you want to participate in, click on the link below. If you
00:02:32.320 get involved with them, it's by invitation only. They have 600,000 people already that are working
00:02:37.900 with Masterworks. And if you want to diversify your portfolio, I highly recommend you consider
00:02:43.460 Masterworks. All right, if you get value from this video, give it a thumbs up and subscribe to the
00:02:47.320 channel. Let's get right into it. By the way, don't take my word for it. I want to share with
00:02:50.220 you with some other experts from the industry are saying about what's going on with commercial
00:02:54.000 real estate. Here's what Goldman Sachs thinks about what's going on in commercial real estate
00:02:57.080 today. Lenders with less than $250 billion in assets account for 80% of commercial real estate
00:03:02.360 lending. Yet Goldman Sachs in March of 2023 said, our economists assume that small banks with low
00:03:08.440 share of FDIC covered deposits reduce new lending by 40%. New lending reduced by 40%. So imagine
00:03:16.420 people are trying to sell. Buyers cannot get financed. I get a call from a building at $89 million.
00:03:23.080 They dropped the price two years ago to $56 million to $46 million. Then they're about
00:03:28.460 to sell. And the guy that was trying to buy it, Silicon Valley bank happens. He calls me
00:03:32.660 and says, I can't get financing. Can you come in 40% on the deal with me? And I'm not going
00:03:36.480 40% on the deal with them because they can't get financing today because banks are not financing
00:03:41.080 today. That's Goldman Sachs. Let me share with you what Morgan Stanley Dean with her saying
00:03:44.360 about commercial real estate today. They believe prices could fall as much as 40% while nearly
00:03:48.980 $1.5 trillion in debt is due for repayment by the end of 2025. Here's what John Kirshner,
00:03:55.580 the head of U.S. Securitized Products at Janice Henderson Investor said. He says, what we're doing
00:04:00.580 is being patient, staying away from all but obvious trades, and then just waiting for the distress to come
00:04:06.940 to us because it will happen. Meaning they're going to come to them saying, hey, can you please buy this
00:04:11.460 building from us on 20 cents on a dollar, 30 cents on a dollar, 40 cents on a dollar, and even Charlie
00:04:16.560 Munger believes commercial real estate market is in trouble today. So these are not regular people
00:04:21.840 we're talking about. By the way, look at CBRE. They're in the commercial real estate business.
00:04:25.460 Look at the chart they're showing right now on what's going on with commercial real estate. This
00:04:29.200 is a vacancy rate on downtown offices from 2007 to 2022. You see that number right there?
00:04:35.980 It is up at 17.6% the last three months of 2022. It is the highest it's been since 2007. It's
00:04:43.080 including 2008 and 2009. Look at the peak of 2010 versus today. That was 13.8%. It's at 17.6%.
00:04:52.040 Since 2021, office loans in delinquency have increased. Ready? 44%. That's a big number. And by the way,
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00:05:15.120 Worse in big cities, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, big cities in California. It's even
00:05:19.720 worse. Matter of fact, Brookfield, that is a half a trillion dollar company. They have money.
00:05:24.600 This company just bought one of the insurance companies I do business with for roughly $4 billion.
00:05:28.500 Here's what they did. They are the largest office owner in downtown LA. And they recently
00:05:32.900 chose to default on loans on two buildings rather than refinance the debt due to weak demand for
00:05:39.440 office space. It's a half a trillion dollar company. A lot of money, a lot of assets. They
00:05:43.120 choose to default. They don't even want to refinance because no one's trying to release
00:05:46.520 more office space from them. On top of that, I'm not dumping on San Francisco, but obviously
00:05:50.560 bad policies cause people to leave. Remember how I showed you that picture about the $300 million
00:05:54.660 building in San Francisco? That's going to sell at an 80% discount. You ready for this number?
00:05:58.860 30% of San Francisco's office space is vacant today. Ready? Seven times the pre-pandemic
00:06:05.020 percentage. You see that chart right there? Where it was in 2018 to where it's at today,
00:06:09.820 people are not leasing office space in San Francisco today. They're taking a massive hit.
00:06:15.020 This is a reality. This is not some gibberish. These are stats. So somebody said, well, Pat,
00:06:19.640 that's San Francisco. How about nationwide? Is this really affecting everything?
00:06:22.340 Do you know what is the biggest banking lending drop in the history of US? March of 2023. The
00:06:30.900 previous three were 2001.com bubble, 2008, great financial crisis, 2020 COVID. And then it's now,
00:06:39.240 you know what the dollar amount is? A record $104.7 billion in the last two weeks of March is how much
00:06:46.060 bank lending dropped. Banks are not lending because money market is getting all the money today and banks
00:06:51.700 don't have the money enough to be able to lend the way they were doing pre. They need money. And
00:06:56.140 people are taking the money out of these banks, especially with what happened with Silicon Valley
00:06:59.160 Bank and First Republic and all these other places. It's even getting worse. So commercial real estate
00:07:03.140 folks, they own those properties. I hope you got a lot of cash. And if you have a lot of cash and you
00:07:07.320 want to go into commercial real estate, the next six, 12 months, 24 months, maybe 30 months is going to
00:07:12.700 be a pretty good season to get into it. And by the way, we got more pages. I can give you more data. I think
00:07:17.140 you got the point on what's going on today. Here's the reality of it. Question, Pat, are you buying commercial real
00:07:20.900 estate properties right now? I am. I bought two. I'm about to buy another one. I'm making an offer
00:07:24.840 on the fourth one. Few are in auctions. The auction one I'm going to buy on literally pennies on the
00:07:28.820 dollar. And I'm buying that one at 20, 30% of what it was actually worth three years ago. And I'm going
00:07:33.420 to get into it, but I'm doing it because I'm operating. I'm not doing it because I'm leasing it
00:07:37.300 out. Now, some are saying, well, Pat, should I buy some commercial real estate? Is it going to be a good
00:07:40.960 time to buy discounted? If there is one type of commercial real estate that the value is not moving
00:07:45.320 is industrial space because warehouses are needed. Whether the direction Amazon's going, all these other places are
00:07:50.760 going to put the stuff online that they're selling. They still need a warehouse. So the warehouse model
00:07:54.880 is not going away. That is not dropping. That's actually kind of going a little higher than the
00:07:59.600 class A buildings, the business office buildings. Those are the ones that take in a big hit. Even
00:08:03.540 in Fort Lauderdale, there's a couple of buildings, brand spanking new, beautiful, sexy, law firm type of
00:08:08.760 buildings, empty. They can't sell them because it's expensive and it's sexy. And class A buildings
00:08:13.640 today are not what they once were before. So for you to want to risk buying it, it's got to be on you.
00:08:19.140 I'm not going to give you advice. This has got to be on you. If you believe we are going away from
00:08:22.720 the model of working and, you know, brick and mortar type of buildings, then you know what not
00:08:26.880 to invest in. But if you think this is going to come back and recover and everybody's going to be
00:08:30.220 needing these buildings again, you're going to have a great opportunity in the next 12, 24, 36 months
00:08:34.240 to buy some distressed properties. Okay. If you got value from this video, give it a thumbs up and
00:08:37.780 subscribe to the channel. I got another video I want you to watch. There's about 85% of economists right now,
00:08:42.220 according to Wall Street Journal, that are predicting recessions here, Q4 of 2023 or Q1 of 2024.
00:08:47.520 If you want to know my 10 investing rules that I follow when it comes to recessions, click here
00:08:54.100 to watch that video. It's actually 10 Ps. You want to take a look at that. Either way,
00:08:58.000 have a great day, everybody. Take care. Bye-bye, bye-bye.