Valuetainment - September 08, 2025


＂You Don't Control A Missile＂ - Ray Lewis SLAMS NFL's Helmet-to-Helmet Hysteria


Episode Stats

Length

17 minutes

Words per Minute

174.07657

Word Count

3,024

Sentence Count

408

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

Rob & Porter sit down with former NFL defensive coordinator Pep Garcia and discuss the current state of the NFL and the state of college football. The guys also discuss the future of the College Football Playoff and whether or not it should be allowed in the NFL.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You don't think so?
00:00:00.720 You would entertain college?
00:00:02.500 Would you entertain college?
00:00:05.640 I'll entertain anything when it comes to the game.
00:00:08.020 I like it.
00:00:08.700 I'm just listening.
00:00:11.200 A part of it for me is maybe, and by the way, for the people that are watching this,
00:00:14.720 if you've got questions, you can Manect Ray.
00:00:16.700 Ray's on Manect, and I'm sure he gets flooded with a bunch of messages.
00:00:20.440 Rob, let's make sure we put the link somewhere around here.
00:00:22.860 But, you know, for me, to explain it the way you explain it in a form of science, defense,
00:00:34.960 if you did, let's just say you did get a team, and a team allowed you to, gave you the controls.
00:00:42.000 Yeah.
00:00:42.560 And you know how you had the rule, which was what?
00:00:44.300 Give me the first 15 plays.
00:00:45.760 If I screw it up, I'll take your plays, right?
00:00:48.100 And you were able to do that for 11 years, you said, right?
00:00:50.340 Give or take.
00:00:50.760 Like, all right, so coach, let me, you know, let me do the thing, Marvin,
00:00:54.620 and I'll do what I'm doing with defense.
00:00:55.780 Okay, great.
00:00:56.760 You know, hey, don't talk to me like that.
00:00:58.720 Please, if you're going to do this, this is my story.
00:01:00.620 What if you find a team and a team says, whatever you want to do with defense,
00:01:04.780 do it your way.
00:01:05.700 Yeah.
00:01:05.900 We'll give you three years.
00:01:07.000 But you can't.
00:01:07.780 Why not?
00:01:08.380 Because you can't tell somebody to go punch him in the mouth and don't care about what comes next.
00:01:14.220 In college, you're kicking kids out for making what you call targeting.
00:01:18.680 That's not a target.
00:01:21.600 A target is something that's not on the field that you target and you just,
00:01:26.260 that's not supposed to be a part of that.
00:01:29.220 No, hell no.
00:01:30.100 I am built to do that.
00:01:33.360 Don't penalize me.
00:01:35.100 Got it.
00:01:35.920 And then kick me out of the game and then tell me I can't come back for the second half either.
00:01:40.320 Are you freaking kidding me?
00:01:41.960 You're doing that to kids for making a play.
00:01:45.140 P, do this homework if you don't do nothing else.
00:01:49.880 Every kid that's been kicked out of a game, tell me how many made it to the league.
00:01:57.840 It's their only chance.
00:02:00.180 Some of them are, it's their only chance, P.
00:02:03.500 And you take away the physicality of football and you tell me I'm sitting in a spot too many times.
00:02:13.640 And this is the narrative now.
00:02:15.900 Oh, that's a terrible player.
00:02:17.940 He's too aggressive.
00:02:20.200 P, I don't know what that means.
00:02:22.700 I don't know what that means.
00:02:24.280 So as a coach, you think somebody like Nick Saban will walk away if that was the same?
00:02:29.560 NIL?
00:02:31.520 No.
00:02:32.320 All of these things forever changed what the locker room was built for.
00:02:35.700 The locker room taught integrity.
00:02:37.960 It taught true character.
00:02:40.080 And now it's a free flow.
00:02:42.520 Right?
00:02:42.800 Guys can get in the portal any time they get ready.
00:02:45.100 They can transfer.
00:02:45.960 Oh, if you get mad at the coach and you don't want to stay there, I'm out.
00:02:49.260 Man, what the freak?
00:02:50.580 So you're talking about the way they're just letting players go from team to team to team
00:02:55.680 where you can't build a legacy the way you guys build it.
00:02:57.740 Build it!
00:02:58.160 So you don't like today's game on the way it's set up.
00:03:00.920 I got it.
00:03:01.500 So in a way, you're thinking, all right, I'm going to pour into these guys for four to
00:03:05.360 five years, and you mean to tell me I can lose the two guys because, you know, they're
00:03:09.100 going to say they don't want to be here and they're out?
00:03:11.080 Got it.
00:03:11.420 So don't you think you could be able to shape the mindset of those guys to be locked into
00:03:15.260 you saying, guys, I want 10 years from you?
00:03:16.660 Yeah, you could, but once they let money in, you change that, right?
00:03:23.080 Because now you get a text from your homeboy, which my sons, we sit around all the time.
00:03:28.860 You get a text from your homeboy.
00:03:30.000 He said, hey, man, they willing to give you a $2 million.
00:03:33.520 And before you even talk to the coach anyway, you're like, I'm getting in the portal tonight.
00:03:37.960 Dude, that's how bad it is, right?
00:03:42.620 If you listen to what Nick Saban said on kind of like why he's walking away, like there's
00:03:48.660 no relationships or there's no more loyalty in relationships because loyalty says you come
00:03:56.020 to work every day.
00:03:57.060 My job is to challenge you.
00:03:58.540 If a coach ain't talking to you, that's when you should have a problem.
00:04:01.840 But nowadays, when coaches talk or scream at a player, now you take that personal.
00:04:07.960 I never took it personal outside of saying, don't curse me, right?
00:04:11.860 I'm good with everything else.
00:04:13.360 Coach me, Mike Singletary came to me.
00:04:15.620 The first thing Mike Singletary said to me, I don't know how to coach a person like you.
00:04:21.060 You know everything.
00:04:21.640 I said, yes, you do.
00:04:22.980 Teach me everything you know.
00:04:24.460 He was like, what do you mean?
00:04:26.140 I said, I'm going to stay out the practice.
00:04:29.540 I met with Mike Singletary every Monday after every practice, and we did two things.
00:04:35.140 We watched film and corrected any of the smallest mistake I made, and the first thing we did
00:04:41.260 was Bible study.
00:04:42.800 Really?
00:04:43.340 Every Monday night.
00:04:44.560 Wow.
00:04:46.040 Wow.
00:04:46.600 Yeah, man.
00:04:47.200 Good for him.
00:04:48.100 No, I asked him.
00:04:49.960 I'm like, I need you to teach me how to be a better man.
00:04:53.320 Right?
00:04:54.400 And as a coach, where was he at?
00:04:58.260 Was he an assistant?
00:04:58.920 Was he a defensive coach?
00:04:59.720 No, he was a linebacker's coach.
00:05:01.900 He was a linebacker's coach.
00:05:02.660 In Baltimore.
00:05:03.800 And then later on, he went to San Fran.
00:05:05.100 Was it San Fran that had coach?
00:05:06.100 After that, yeah.
00:05:07.140 Head coach, yeah.
00:05:08.220 So then would you see yourself more as a college coach or more as an NFL coach?
00:05:12.320 P, I'm telling you, it is.
00:05:15.120 Because I'm thinking longevity.
00:05:16.460 Like, if I build something, they're out.
00:05:17.940 So college, you're only going to get me for two years, right?
00:05:20.580 Yeah.
00:05:20.880 And then I'm out.
00:05:21.500 So you can't really build a legacy.
00:05:23.540 You would need to have more of a Knicks playbook, right?
00:05:26.100 Yeah.
00:05:26.420 But in the NFL, you may have me for five to 15 years.
00:05:28.780 Yeah.
00:05:30.160 So I don't get emotional a lot, right?
00:05:35.320 But I get emotional when I see one of those players walking off that field.
00:05:42.080 Because I know what 90% of them going back to.
00:05:46.700 Either you're going to give me a chance to make it through college,
00:05:50.140 or you're going to send me to the streets.
00:05:53.020 And so every time you take away that, and the game ain't going to change now.
00:05:56.280 We done got gambling involved in it.
00:05:57.820 So why is the game going to change?
00:06:00.700 Players get hurt now.
00:06:02.600 And your bet doesn't even void out.
00:06:06.000 You have to keep the bet.
00:06:07.640 But this is this guy's career.
00:06:10.940 They don't honor us for what we've done for the game.
00:06:15.900 We made the game.
00:06:17.940 You know?
00:06:18.240 That's the difference of me and billionaires.
00:06:21.580 You can be a billionaire.
00:06:22.600 And I can guarantee I can do what you've done.
00:06:26.300 But there's a fact.
00:06:27.900 You can never do what I've done.
00:06:30.460 That's what makes us different.
00:06:32.620 That's why so many people are attracted to people who sacrifice everything.
00:06:37.720 Bruce Lee's.
00:06:39.160 Michael Jordan.
00:06:40.480 Carl Lewis's.
00:06:42.520 Usain Bolt.
00:06:43.960 Patrick Mahomes.
00:06:44.820 Lamar Jackson.
00:06:46.360 You can't.
00:06:47.460 You can't.
00:06:48.020 You can't.
00:06:48.460 You don't make those.
00:06:51.200 They make themselves.
00:06:52.720 Remember, Michael's a billionaire.
00:06:54.280 As opposed to watch your language.
00:06:55.160 I don't want you to upset him because he's going to call you.
00:06:57.220 But did you hear what I said?
00:06:58.200 I know.
00:06:58.540 I know what you said.
00:06:59.360 I'm just saying.
00:06:59.640 So Jordan basically said the same thing.
00:07:01.860 Yeah.
00:07:01.960 You cut me out of it.
00:07:03.460 So I'm going to be able to do what you've done.
00:07:05.660 Yeah.
00:07:05.960 Which is he go build a billion dollar empire.
00:07:08.420 Yeah.
00:07:08.660 But they can never do what Jordan done.
00:07:10.280 Yeah.
00:07:10.720 How's your relationship with them?
00:07:11.820 No.
00:07:12.600 We're bruh.
00:07:13.260 Q.
00:07:13.760 Omega Psi Phi.
00:07:15.540 Till I die.
00:07:18.720 We got.
00:07:20.260 We bruhs, man.
00:07:21.880 Me, him, Shaq.
00:07:23.120 We all bruhs.
00:07:24.500 Steve Harvey.
00:07:25.480 Said the entertainer.
00:07:26.780 We all bruhs.
00:07:27.840 DL Hewley.
00:07:29.640 We got a very, very unique fraternity.
00:07:32.320 That's cool.
00:07:32.940 Yeah.
00:07:33.420 King's of comedy, man.
00:07:34.620 I don't know how many times I watch King's of comedy.
00:07:36.640 And piss on myself every time.
00:07:38.540 Who's your favorite out of the four?
00:07:39.960 Maybe you can't say it because they're your friends.
00:07:41.780 But is there one you start off with?
00:07:43.220 Yes.
00:07:43.240 I can tell you exactly.
00:07:44.300 I can tell you who mine is.
00:07:46.680 Mine is the best one because not the best.
00:07:50.260 I mimic him.
00:07:53.120 So when I came through.
00:07:53.860 I know which one it is.
00:07:54.900 Who?
00:07:55.560 Bernie.
00:07:56.120 Yes.
00:07:57.120 Absolutely.
00:07:57.440 I kill Bernie.
00:08:01.480 He died too young, man.
00:08:03.540 He died too young, man.
00:08:05.940 When they first started the first Kings of Comedy, where do you think the first place was?
00:08:11.060 Before they filmed it.
00:08:13.140 The first place.
00:08:14.040 I'm assuming Baltimore.
00:08:15.080 It was in Baltimore.
00:08:17.220 And it was my birthday weekend.
00:08:19.160 So this is not the video.
00:08:20.500 This is.
00:08:20.900 This is not the video.
00:08:22.340 This is before they filmed it.
00:08:24.020 It was the first one in Baltimore.
00:08:27.560 And I walked backstage and my security says, he says, Bernie wants to meet you.
00:08:33.680 You know?
00:08:34.160 So I go backstage.
00:08:35.780 And as soon as I walked back, I said, I'm looking for this mother hug.
00:08:39.220 You know?
00:08:39.920 Somebody need to tell me something.
00:08:42.080 You know?
00:08:43.060 He pulled my mother, walked out of my house and said, you know?
00:08:45.880 And I did that in front of Bernie.
00:08:51.900 And he cried.
00:08:53.540 He cried.
00:08:54.300 He's the best.
00:08:55.180 He's so.
00:08:56.180 Oh, my gosh.
00:08:56.840 Have you ever saw Soul Man?
00:08:58.620 Of course.
00:08:59.560 Jesus.
00:09:00.180 Yeah.
00:09:00.520 No, he is.
00:09:01.280 Yeah.
00:09:01.660 He did.
00:09:02.260 What was the baseball?
00:09:02.980 3,000?
00:09:03.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:04.400 What was the?
00:09:05.880 Mr. 3,000.
00:09:06.560 Mr. 3,000.
00:09:07.380 But I think he was also in Transformers 1, if I'm not mistaken.
00:09:10.920 He was the car salesman in Transformers 1.
00:09:14.240 Was he?
00:09:14.660 Yeah, he's the.
00:09:15.700 If you go to Trenton, that's him.
00:09:17.320 Yeah, he sold the car.
00:09:18.660 Yeah, that's right.
00:09:19.140 That's right.
00:09:19.440 That's right.
00:09:19.940 That's right.
00:09:20.220 He sold the car when the car.
00:09:21.760 I love him.
00:09:22.440 Yeah, he is.
00:09:23.300 He's a.
00:09:24.860 He'll forever be a legend.
00:09:26.000 He's one of a kind.
00:09:26.940 He is.
00:09:27.300 He's one of a kind.
00:09:28.440 So the chances of you going back, coaching, maybe, maybe not.
00:09:33.860 So if I have some friends that are texting me saying, hey, should we call him?
00:09:37.580 Should we not call him?
00:09:38.400 Should they call you?
00:09:39.960 Yeah.
00:09:40.680 They should call you.
00:09:41.500 I entertain it.
00:09:42.440 You should call him.
00:09:43.200 He's willing to take the call.
00:09:45.720 You should call him.
00:09:46.880 I would call him if I'm you.
00:09:48.640 I think.
00:09:49.680 By the way, do you believe in dirty plays in the NFL?
00:09:53.200 Do you actually, in your era, do you think there were dirty plays?
00:09:59.620 Helmet to helmet.
00:10:00.520 Do you consider that dirty play?
00:10:01.860 No, no.
00:10:02.200 You don't think helmet to helmet is dirty play.
00:10:03.980 No, you don't control a missile.
00:10:06.320 You launch him.
00:10:08.000 You can't control that.
00:10:09.680 P, you can't tell a man in middle of the action, oh, guess what I'm going to do?
00:10:14.620 I'm going to make the biggest player of the game, but I'm going to turn my head to the
00:10:17.920 left.
00:10:18.520 I'm going to make sure my body does not fall on his body.
00:10:20.920 No way.
00:10:22.280 You don't think like that.
00:10:23.660 Let me give you an example.
00:10:25.800 I see a running back.
00:10:26.900 You don't saw most of my hits.
00:10:27.940 I see a running back.
00:10:29.240 I don't see him.
00:10:31.940 I want his soul.
00:10:37.680 P, I'm not.
00:10:38.700 P, I want his soul, P.
00:10:40.440 I believe you.
00:10:41.280 Right.
00:10:41.520 So when I go through him, like I'm trying to make an impression that he will talk about
00:10:46.180 me every Thanksgiving for the rest of his life.
00:10:49.080 Somebody going to ask him a question.
00:10:50.340 How does it feel to play against Ray Lewis?
00:10:53.040 Yeah, man.
00:10:53.760 Like, so anyway.
00:10:56.720 But go back to it.
00:10:57.660 So to you, Romanowski, not a dirty player.
00:11:00.440 Yes, yes.
00:11:00.980 Yes.
00:11:01.280 He's done some dirty things for sure.
00:11:02.840 He will poke the guys.
00:11:03.960 He's done some dirty stuff.
00:11:04.880 I'm not that type of player.
00:11:06.320 Okay.
00:11:06.820 So what do you call it?
00:11:10.080 The fellow who hit Antonio Brown, Cincinnati Bengals.
00:11:15.160 Yeah.
00:11:15.920 Dirty play.
00:11:16.760 Dirty play.
00:11:17.220 So that's a dirty play.
00:11:18.260 Yeah.
00:11:18.840 Yeah.
00:11:19.360 Yeah.
00:11:20.280 Things that's outside of the context of the game.
00:11:23.500 Now he may say it was a missile.
00:11:24.880 I'm a missile.
00:11:25.420 What do you want me to do?
00:11:26.000 No, no, no, no.
00:11:26.840 Missiles.
00:11:28.040 Missiles have a job.
00:11:30.800 What they're doing?
00:11:32.540 Targeting.
00:11:33.040 Yes.
00:11:33.400 Okay.
00:11:33.720 So you're not for targeting.
00:11:35.540 No.
00:11:36.540 I'm not for targeting.
00:11:37.680 But what I am for is the fairness of the game.
00:11:40.680 I can show you.
00:11:42.020 I'm telling you, P.
00:11:42.880 If I sat with you for 10 minutes, I can show you at least 30 hits that the helmet never
00:11:50.540 touched the crown.
00:11:52.180 Pure shoulder.
00:11:53.520 But you threw the flag anyway.
00:11:54.980 And 80% of them stands as a targeting rule, which kicks those kids out of college.
00:12:00.900 You going to kick my kids out of college?
00:12:02.740 They're babies.
00:12:04.760 No.
00:12:05.220 Don't do that.
00:12:05.960 But you, respectfully, a referee can make a wrong call and stay in the game.
00:12:11.760 What's the difference?
00:12:13.160 We make the game.
00:12:15.440 So you're going to take the people who make the game out of the game.
00:12:18.160 Why can't you take them out?
00:12:19.460 Because they're replaceable, but only by a number.
00:12:23.880 They don't replace you by integrity.
00:12:27.140 They replace you because of the position.
00:12:29.120 Oh, I need another safety.
00:12:32.240 Yeah.
00:12:33.240 It's crazy.
00:12:33.980 Yeah, I had Antonio Brown here.
00:12:36.420 We talked about CT and, you know, he got upset when I asked him about it.
00:12:40.940 I was like, so tell me, you know, no, I'm good.
00:12:43.220 Why would you ask me about that?
00:12:44.380 Why would you ask me about it?
00:12:45.100 And listen, I understand it's a sensitive subject.
00:12:48.160 So I'm not one that's sitting here.
00:12:50.140 But it's so interesting that a guy like you who is in the game defends the game, even though
00:12:58.200 you have peers that were affected by it.
00:13:00.360 But it's almost as if a military, you know, Delta Force is saying, Navy SEAL is saying,
00:13:06.680 dude, this is what we signed up for.
00:13:08.080 What do you think this life is?
00:13:09.600 Is that kind of how you view it?
00:13:11.480 You can't.
00:13:13.580 When somebody hits somebody in boxing and they knock them clean out.
00:13:18.740 Right.
00:13:19.660 You can call that barbaric.
00:13:21.740 Right.
00:13:22.360 You can call that bad.
00:13:24.420 You can't take out the cross.
00:13:27.600 You can't take out the jab.
00:13:28.700 You can't take out the uppercut.
00:13:30.020 Why?
00:13:30.420 It's a part of the game.
00:13:32.320 Hitting somebody is a part of the game, which is why you put on your helmet and you take both
00:13:36.720 of your chin scraps and they always tell you, make sure both of them are buckled up.
00:13:41.180 Why?
00:13:42.040 Because they're assassins and missiles out here.
00:13:44.880 Right.
00:13:45.860 I'm not.
00:13:46.920 I want the game to be healthy, but we're not.
00:13:51.920 Respectfully, we don't buckle up and say this and say to myself, I'm a hold back on him a little bit.
00:14:01.360 What?
00:14:02.660 Nah, bro.
00:14:03.280 Now, I see this clip, which I'm sure you've seen before.
00:14:10.300 It's Ocho Cinco.
00:14:11.420 It's narrating.
00:14:13.060 Rob, I don't know if you have this one as well.
00:14:14.340 It's one of the funniest ones I've ever seen.
00:14:16.400 First of all, he's hilarious.
00:14:17.980 But Rob, I just sent it to you if you want to go to text.
00:14:21.400 He's talking about that he tried to hit you and you didn't even see him.
00:14:28.200 And you dropped him.
00:14:29.540 And he's telling his coach.
00:14:31.900 Here's narrating.
00:14:32.760 Go ahead, Rob.
00:14:33.280 I hit Ray by accident.
00:14:53.800 Who hit those big guys?
00:14:55.420 I thought I was going to win because he didn't see me coming.
00:14:57.400 Yeah, but I feel like you are.
00:14:58.400 I tried to hit Ray when he wasn't looking.
00:15:00.860 Hey, I thought I got a good shot, but I fell.
00:15:04.320 Something ain't right.
00:15:06.720 On that play.
00:15:08.040 When Rudy's coming, I tried to blindside Ray.
00:15:11.000 He ran me over.
00:15:13.520 In that moment, it's going that fast.
00:15:15.300 Are you even feeling that?
00:15:16.320 Like, when you saw this...
00:15:17.400 Absolutely not.
00:15:18.900 You don't feel Chad.
00:15:20.260 How you going to feel Chad?
00:15:21.480 Me and him.
00:15:24.720 You know what was interesting about our relationship?
00:15:28.840 So I played him.
00:15:29.940 When we started to play them, right?
00:15:32.440 And so he came to me one game.
00:15:34.500 And he says,
00:15:36.080 Would you pray for me?
00:15:37.820 And I said, Absolutely.
00:15:38.860 Every game, I would send him a Bible scripture to read every Saturday night.
00:15:47.600 Every Saturday night.
00:15:50.100 Yeah.
00:15:50.740 And I had about 50, 60, 70 guys.
00:15:55.180 I used to do that too every day.
00:15:57.660 Yeah, he seems like he's a family guy.
00:16:00.320 I know he's doing the stuff with Shannon, but he seems like he's...
00:16:04.300 Both of them crazy.
00:16:04.900 They lost their mind.
00:16:06.380 Both of them?
00:16:07.100 They crazy.
00:16:07.660 They have lost their minds.
00:16:08.720 They are crazy.
00:16:10.060 Well, to me, it sounds like Shannon has been having fun for a long time,
00:16:13.920 but he sounds like he's settled down a little bit.
00:16:15.800 Now, look, I don't know that.
00:16:17.760 You know, he seems like he's got some stories.
00:16:22.920 A lot of them.
00:16:24.920 A lot of them.
00:16:25.660 Yeah.
00:16:25.940 I'm going to leave it at that.
00:16:26.880 What's going on, everyone?
00:16:28.060 It's your man, Sugar Ray Lewis.
00:16:29.520 Listen, I'm on my neck.
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