＂You Flipped＂ - Michael Cohen GRILLED For Turning On Trump
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Summary
On this episode of the Business Development Podcast, I sit down with my good friend and former business partner, Michael Cohen. We talk about the fall out between Michael Cohen and the FBI, why he should have been allowed to stay on air, and why CNN should have fired him.
Transcript
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Who has Michael Cohen's back today? Here's why I ask this question.
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Of course, in 06, when you start working with them, okay, but, you know, in 06, you're working with them from business side.
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Trump has your back. Then there's a falling out. You flip FBI, time, prison.
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Let me just finish this and you say whatever you want. So then you go to the left, whatever word you want to call it.
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You're the darling of the left. You know, Jimmy Kimmel has you on MSNBC, CNN, everybody has you on.
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Then you go to Midas Touch. And by the way, Midas Touch, their entire, they even talk about this.
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Their vision, why they started Midas Touch in March of 2020, was to prevent the president from getting reelected.
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That was their entire MO to get reelected. You have a show with them.
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I even think you have a show with one of the founders, if I'm not mistaken.
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His name is Ben, if I'm not mistaken. Is that his name, Ben?
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And then you come out and you say the following comments.
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And you said you were compelled and coerced to only provide information and testimony that would satisfy the government's desire to build the case against and secure a judgment and convictions against Trump.
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This is your opinion against Letitia James and Alvin Bragg.
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Drops, fired, cutting away, whatever word they want to use.
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If you were at any other place, you're not getting fired.
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So your position today, who has Michael Cohen's back?
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I have no issue with Ben or his brothers, Brett or Jordy.
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And I understand the reason why they did what they did.
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And so they started getting 10,000, 20,000 people telling them,
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if Michael Cohen remains on the network, we're unsubscribing.
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Now, these people didn't just make that threat.
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And we still will remain friends even after this.
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But I have friends who are on the far, far left.
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And I have friends who are on the far, far right.
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I prefer when you give your opinion that it's predicated off of facts,
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But, you know, CNN viewers probably are not a fan of Scott Jennings.
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Scott Jennings, to me, I call him the CEO of CNN because he runs the show there.
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Without Scott, a lot of people wouldn't be watching CNN.
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And on the other side, they would say that Jessica Tarlov is the COO of Fox, too.
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What I'm saying to you is kudos to both institutions for not firing a Michael Cohen.
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Because to me, what's the benefit of a Michael Cohen?
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You're a complicated character to the average person, right?
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So to the left or the right, they're like, I don't know, maybe.
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You're at least going to get to say, what does this guy have to say?
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Well, I'm certain that your show is going to do great right now.
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People are going to be, why is Patrick having Michael Cohen?
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Is Patrick turning PBD podcast into a radical left, you know, lunatic show?
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Am I going to go, you know, try to hire you as a fixer?
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Are you going to be, by the way, that'd be a smart move.
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Are you already, you know, seeing some demise coming to this administration?
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And here's what I see with you, because to me, you know, when I think about you, one
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thing you have that's very unique with you, and you probably wouldn't recommend this to
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the average person, but you've gone through it.
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So your guy that comes in, you saw what it's like to publicly, you know, you say things about
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Trump, you know, you're on Jimmy Kimmel, you know, he asked you a question, you know,
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who is the biggest lowlife in that community or part of?
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You start off with him, his family, Weisenberg, you go through a list of names that you give.
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I'm not sure that was the word that I used, but okay.
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But I watched the clip, I think yesterday or something like that, because I'm watching
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So you go there and you're thinking you're making the right move.
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And maybe you still believe that, that you, you know, with Trump, you said things publicly
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and then it was very difficult for him for a season.
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And then the left comes in and then you've been canceled now by both sides.
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So for you going through this position, do you sit there and say, maybe I shouldn't have
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Maybe I should have stayed, you know, with Trump.
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While I was in Otisville, there was a guy, I won't mention his name because I'm sure he listens
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And he turned around and he said to me, why don't you just shut up?
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He goes, chances are the second you get out or even before.
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Well, that was within the first year that I was there.
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He goes, Trump will pardon you and he'll probably bring you back in for all you know.
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You're also incredibly, you know, knowledgeable.
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So he goes, you'll probably end up with like some sort of a Fox contract.
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And I said, no, nothing that I've said is untrue.
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I said, I will speak the fact whether it's in favor of Trump or not.
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From a financial standpoint, probably should I have?
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Specifically with the, because to me, okay, well, let me ask a question.
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So let me give you, let me give you the better way to sort of frame this question.
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What ended up pushing me into the hands of prosecutors was never my desire.
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I never wanted the FBI to raid my home, my hotel that I was staying at, or my law office.
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And I've always maintained that the Steele dossier was bullshit.
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They claimed I had 10 million in cash in Prague to pay off Russian compromises.
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All 13 allegations raised against me were a lie.
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I went and I saw the president in the Oval Office the very first time I received a request
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to appear before SIPSE, the Senate Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
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And I said, no, I spoke to an attorney by the name of Jay Sekulow, who I received through Sean Hannity.
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And he said, it's like an invitation to a wedding or a bar mitzvah or something like that.
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And I said to the president, eye to eye, same distance I'm sitting from you, the only difference
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wasn't a Formica desk, it was the Lincoln desk, the Resolute desk.
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And the advice that he got from those that were around him were, it'll be bad.
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Today, if it was happening today in 2025, 2026, Trump would have shut it down.
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That I know because he understands the power that the presidency has.
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When you're under oath, you don't want a thousand and one violation.
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Unless, of course, you're a member of Congress.
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And that's how I became the darling of the left.
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Because what they did is they took specific topics.
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And by the way, with all due respect to every single one of your listeners, yourself and
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everybody that's in this gigantic studio, same thing that they did to him, the same thing
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And that's my, that's my disdain for the system.
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The system, we are a country of laws, but we're not a country of justice.
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Depends upon who sits at the lever of power determines who ends up getting screwed and who
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It's all about what they want to advance their career.
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You know, ask anybody who's been through the system.
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Here's the first line of horseshit that comes out from a prosecutor's mouth.
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How come you and every single prosecutor has a 98% conviction rate?
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I was subpoenaed every single time within which to testify.
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Had I not had to testify the first time around, none of this would have gone on.
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It's a question of answering questions, responding to questions.
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You went on every single channel, you talk negatively about the president.
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He said, I want to de-politicize the concept of pardoning, and then he ends up pardoning
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his son and Fauci and his family and all the J6s, you know, committee.
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Mind you, when I asked for that pardon, I was already finished, and I was already off
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So, flipping, you don't do it post-facto, right?
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I wanted it early, early on, but that wasn't happening.
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I've probably done more mob interviews than anybody else in the podcast world, and you
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talk to any one of them, they'll come and talk to me.
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Whether it's Sammy DeBull when he got out, whether it's Michael Francis, whether it's
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the late Frank Collada, or Philly, and I'll give you the list of every one of these guys.
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It's just, I enjoy the movies, and so, and I'm in Florida.
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A lot of these guys end up here, as you know, because they like to live here.
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I think the right people got it faster than I got it.
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Donald Trump's former personal attorney and fixer.
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