Valuetainment - January 29, 2026


＂You Flipped＂ - Michael Cohen GRILLED For Turning On Trump


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13 minutes

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179.16296

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2,423

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232

Hate Speech Sentences

5


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00:00:00.940 I'm Kelly Kennedy. I've been called a hope dealer for leaders and with over 300 episodes of the Business Development Podcast, we'll guide you and we'll always be in your corner.
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00:00:23.680 Who has Michael Cohen's back today? Here's why I ask this question.
00:00:27.200 Of course, in 06, when you start working with them, okay, but, you know, in 06, you're working with them from business side.
00:00:34.460 Trump has your back. Then there's a falling out. You flip FBI, time, prison.
00:00:39.760 Actually, I hate that word.
00:00:40.740 Let me just finish this and you say whatever you want. So then you go to the left, whatever word you want to call it.
00:00:46.240 You're the darling of the left. You know, Jimmy Kimmel has you on MSNBC, CNN, everybody has you on.
00:00:51.660 Then you go to Midas Touch. And by the way, Midas Touch, their entire, they even talk about this.
00:00:57.000 Their vision, why they started Midas Touch in March of 2020, was to prevent the president from getting reelected.
00:01:03.520 That was their entire MO to get reelected. You have a show with them.
00:01:06.800 I even think you have a show with one of the founders, if I'm not mistaken.
00:01:10.300 His name is Ben, if I'm not mistaken. Is that his name, Ben?
00:01:13.300 Right. So you have a show with them.
00:01:14.560 And then you come out and you say the following comments.
00:01:16.700 And you said you were compelled and coerced to only provide information and testimony that would satisfy the government's desire to build the case against and secure a judgment and convictions against Trump.
00:01:30.420 You say this in your sub stack.
00:01:33.080 Not a crazy thing.
00:01:34.240 This is your opinion against Letitia James and Alvin Bragg.
00:01:37.340 Then we get news that Midas Touch drops you.
00:01:40.240 This is 10 or 12 days ago.
00:01:42.460 Drops, fired, cutting away, whatever word they want to use.
00:01:45.420 They fired the podcast and they move on.
00:01:47.280 If you were at any other place, you're not getting fired.
00:01:50.600 So your position today, who has Michael Cohen's back?
00:01:54.060 I want to hear your thoughts.
00:01:55.220 My wife, my daughter, my son.
00:01:57.240 Okay.
00:01:57.740 And those people who are more centrist.
00:01:59.920 I have no issue with Ben or his brothers, Brett or Jordy.
00:02:05.060 We're still friends.
00:02:06.100 We still speak.
00:02:07.340 We're just not doing business together.
00:02:09.680 And I understand the reason why they did what they did.
00:02:14.860 They have a very left-leaning constituency.
00:02:19.400 And so they started getting 10,000, 20,000 people telling them,
00:02:31.740 if Michael Cohen remains on the network, we're unsubscribing.
00:02:35.740 Just for that comment?
00:02:36.920 Yes, sir.
00:02:37.680 Just for that comment.
00:02:39.340 Now, these people didn't just make that threat.
00:02:43.880 They actually did it.
00:02:45.880 And it was a significant amount of money.
00:02:49.720 And they have, as you do, a large payroll.
00:02:53.920 And so I said, I understand.
00:02:57.240 I understand.
00:02:58.440 And I have to be me.
00:03:00.980 And you have to be you.
00:03:02.720 But we're still friends.
00:03:04.960 And we still will remain friends even after this.
00:03:08.360 But I have friends who are on the far, far left.
00:03:11.180 And I have friends who are on the far, far right.
00:03:13.320 And everyone is entitled to their opinion.
00:03:18.000 I prefer when you give your opinion that it's predicated off of facts,
00:03:22.360 not something you pull out of your ass.
00:03:25.180 I do prefer that.
00:03:26.720 But everybody has the right.
00:03:28.540 It's the First Amendment.
00:03:30.820 I get that.
00:03:31.680 But, you know, CNN viewers probably are not a fan of Scott Jennings.
00:03:37.180 He didn't get fired.
00:03:38.560 He got a longer contract, right?
00:03:40.300 Right.
00:03:40.500 I saw Scott Jennings about two weeks ago.
00:03:43.180 He's very good at what he does.
00:03:44.260 Scott Jennings, to me, I call him the CEO of CNN because he runs the show there.
00:03:47.280 Without Scott, a lot of people wouldn't be watching CNN.
00:03:51.500 And on the other side, they would say that Jessica Tarlov is the COO of Fox, too.
00:03:56.020 She's with Greg Gutfeld and Jesse Waters.
00:03:58.560 What I'm saying to you is kudos to both institutions for not firing a Michael Cohen.
00:04:04.540 Agreed.
00:04:04.840 Because to me, what's the benefit of a Michael Cohen?
00:04:08.700 You're a complicated character to the average person, right?
00:04:13.960 So to the left or the right, they're like, I don't know, maybe.
00:04:17.700 But what do you do?
00:04:18.380 You at least bring eyeballs, right?
00:04:20.360 You're at least going to get to say, what does this guy have to say?
00:04:22.380 Well, I'm certain that your show is going to do great right now.
00:04:24.760 People are going to be, why is Patrick having Michael Cohen?
00:04:28.420 I mean, what's wrong with him?
00:04:29.700 Is Patrick turning PBD podcast into a radical left, you know, lunatic show?
00:04:36.640 Yeah, or even bigger.
00:04:37.520 Am I going to go, you know, try to hire you as a fixer?
00:04:40.980 Are you going to be, by the way, that'd be a smart move.
00:04:43.200 Are you already, you know, turning the cheek?
00:04:47.940 Are you already, you know, seeing some demise coming to this administration?
00:04:52.760 No, I actually see the opposite.
00:04:54.400 And here's what I see with you, because to me, you know, when I think about you, one
00:04:59.020 thing you have that's very unique with you, and you probably wouldn't recommend this to
00:05:03.660 the average person, but you've gone through it.
00:05:05.220 So your guy that comes in, you saw what it's like to publicly, you know, you say things about
00:05:12.440 Trump, you know, you're on Jimmy Kimmel, you know, he asked you a question, you know,
00:05:16.780 who is the biggest lowlife in that community or part of?
00:05:20.240 And you give all these names.
00:05:21.140 You start off with him, his family, Weisenberg, you go through a list of names that you give.
00:05:25.640 I'm not sure that was the word that I used, but okay.
00:05:27.560 He used the word lowlife.
00:05:28.680 He said, who is the biggest lowlife?
00:05:30.220 And you said, it starts with that.
00:05:31.520 So they can play the clip to see it.
00:05:33.240 But I watched the clip, I think yesterday or something like that, because I'm watching
00:05:36.380 to see how you were used.
00:05:37.660 Okay.
00:05:38.360 So you go there and you're thinking you're making the right move.
00:05:41.880 And maybe you still believe that, that you, you know, with Trump, you said things publicly
00:05:44.900 and then it was very difficult for him for a season.
00:05:48.160 And then the left comes in and then you've been canceled now by both sides.
00:05:52.040 So for you going through this position, do you sit there and say, maybe I shouldn't have
00:05:57.880 done this.
00:05:58.400 Maybe I should have stayed, you know, with Trump.
00:06:02.580 Maybe I should have stayed that position.
00:06:04.040 Has that thought at all crossed your mind?
00:06:05.960 So it's interesting you bring that up.
00:06:07.240 While I was in Otisville, there was a guy, I won't mention his name because I'm sure he listens
00:06:12.080 to your podcast, he knows exactly who he is.
00:06:14.960 Hey, Sasha.
00:06:16.080 And he turned around and he said to me, why don't you just shut up?
00:06:19.980 He goes, chances are the second you get out or even before.
00:06:25.180 How long was this?
00:06:26.080 Well, that was within the first year that I was there.
00:06:29.020 He goes, Trump will pardon you and he'll probably bring you back in for all you know.
00:06:33.680 You'll end up with a big contract with Fox.
00:06:36.320 First of all, he goes, you're funny.
00:06:37.760 You're also incredibly, you know, knowledgeable.
00:06:41.320 So he goes, you'll probably end up with like some sort of a Fox contract.
00:06:45.060 And I said, no, nothing that I've said is untrue.
00:06:51.460 I said, I will speak the fact whether it's in favor of Trump or not.
00:06:56.780 Now, I didn't take that advice.
00:07:00.460 From a financial standpoint, probably should I have?
00:07:04.680 Yes.
00:07:06.600 Did I?
00:07:07.700 No.
00:07:07.960 Have I been canceled by both sides?
00:07:11.640 Yes.
00:07:13.780 Would you do anything differently?
00:07:16.280 Specifically with the, because to me, okay, well, let me ask a question.
00:07:20.820 So let me give you, let me give you the better way to sort of frame this question.
00:07:26.720 What ended up pushing me into the hands of prosecutors was never my desire.
00:07:37.100 It was never my goal.
00:07:38.640 I never wanted the FBI to raid my home, my hotel that I was staying at, or my law office.
00:07:45.540 I never wanted it.
00:07:47.360 Why did it happen?
00:07:48.900 Well, the Russia hoax.
00:07:50.300 And I've always maintained that the Steele dossier was bullshit.
00:07:55.880 I never went to Prague.
00:07:57.360 I've never been to Prague.
00:07:59.800 They claimed I had 10 million in cash in Prague to pay off Russian compromises.
00:08:04.980 And so none of it is true.
00:08:06.180 All 13 allegations raised against me were a lie.
00:08:10.360 I went and I saw the president in the Oval Office the very first time I received a request
00:08:17.720 to appear before SIPSE, the Senate Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
00:08:23.560 And I said, no, I spoke to an attorney by the name of Jay Sekulow, who I received through Sean Hannity.
00:08:37.080 And he said, it's like an invitation to a wedding or a bar mitzvah or something like that.
00:08:41.520 You don't have to go.
00:08:42.660 I said, fine.
00:08:43.740 I typed out a response.
00:08:45.420 Thank you, but no thank you.
00:08:47.720 They then hit me with a subpoena.
00:08:49.340 And I said to the president, eye to eye, same distance I'm sitting from you, the only difference
00:08:55.700 wasn't a Formica desk, it was the Lincoln desk, the Resolute desk.
00:09:01.760 I said to him, sir, please shut this down.
00:09:06.380 Nothing good is going to come out of this.
00:09:07.980 These are a bunch of animals.
00:09:10.040 I'm telling you.
00:09:12.280 And the advice that he got from those that were around him were, it'll be bad.
00:09:18.820 The story will be bad.
00:09:20.800 Today, if it was happening today in 2025, 2026, Trump would have shut it down.
00:09:26.840 That I know because he understands the power that the presidency has.
00:09:31.340 But he was more concerned.
00:09:32.580 He allowed them to convince him.
00:09:35.140 And that's where it all started.
00:09:36.640 When you're under oath, you don't want a thousand and one violation.
00:09:41.460 You're not going to lie under oath.
00:09:42.880 Unless, of course, you're a member of Congress.
00:09:44.820 Then somehow it becomes permissible.
00:09:47.200 I wasn't going to lie under oath.
00:09:49.980 They asked me questions.
00:09:51.140 I gave them the answer.
00:09:52.300 And that's how I became the darling of the left.
00:09:55.860 Because what they did is they took specific topics.
00:09:58.800 And by the way, with all due respect to every single one of your listeners, yourself and
00:10:02.620 everybody that's in this gigantic studio, same thing that they did to him, the same thing
00:10:07.400 they did to me, they can do to you.
00:10:09.520 And that's my, that's my disdain for the system.
00:10:14.460 The system, we are a country of laws, but we're not a country of justice.
00:10:20.800 Depends upon who sits at the lever of power determines who ends up getting screwed and who
00:10:26.820 ends up walking.
00:10:28.440 They can do to you.
00:10:29.620 Who's they?
00:10:30.500 Government.
00:10:31.500 The Department of Justice.
00:10:33.640 The judge.
00:10:34.700 The prosecutors.
00:10:35.400 It's all about what they want to advance their career.
00:10:39.360 You know, ask anybody who's been through the system.
00:10:42.200 Here's the first line of horseshit that comes out from a prosecutor's mouth.
00:10:46.900 I have a 98% conviction rate.
00:10:48.680 You're not going to be part of that 2%.
00:10:50.400 Huh.
00:10:52.520 98%?
00:10:53.340 Well, you must be a genius.
00:10:55.180 How come you and every single prosecutor has a 98% conviction rate?
00:10:59.300 And the answer?
00:11:00.300 Because they control all the levers.
00:11:01.720 They control the whole game.
00:11:02.900 Still?
00:11:03.260 Still, and with me, what happened?
00:11:06.860 I didn't want to testify.
00:11:08.500 I was subpoenaed every single time within which to testify.
00:11:12.600 Had I not had to testify the first time around, none of this would have gone on.
00:11:17.940 I had no desire within which to.
00:11:20.200 And it's not a question.
00:11:21.200 You use the word flip.
00:11:22.540 It's not a question of flip.
00:11:23.820 It's a question of answering questions, responding to questions.
00:11:27.200 No, you flipped, though.
00:11:28.320 It's not a flip.
00:11:29.240 Michael, you flipped.
00:11:30.220 You went on every single channel, you talk negatively about the president.
00:11:33.920 You flip only when you get a benefit from it.
00:11:38.260 What benefit have I ever received?
00:11:40.000 In other words, think about the mob.
00:11:41.700 Think about the mob.
00:11:42.500 When they flip on their boss.
00:11:43.620 I will tell you.
00:11:44.580 Yeah.
00:11:45.020 Okay.
00:11:45.260 What did I get?
00:11:46.200 Oh, no.
00:11:46.760 What you got, you didn't get.
00:11:48.720 What you wanted, you didn't get.
00:11:49.940 What did I want?
00:11:50.660 What didn't you want?
00:11:51.440 You didn't want a pardon from Biden?
00:11:52.680 You didn't hope that he would pardon you?
00:11:54.040 By the way, with all due respect.
00:11:56.000 He said, I want to de-politicize the concept of pardoning, and then he ends up pardoning
00:12:01.300 his son and Fauci and his family and all the J6s, you know, committee.
00:12:05.720 Mind you, when I asked for that pardon, I was already finished, and I was already off
00:12:09.440 paper six years.
00:12:11.100 So, flipping, you don't do it post-facto, right?
00:12:14.420 I'm not asking for a post-mortem award.
00:12:17.560 I wanted it.
00:12:18.380 I wanted it early, early on, but that wasn't happening.
00:12:21.260 So, I've sat down with actual mobsters.
00:12:23.320 I've probably done more mob interviews than anybody else in the podcast world, and you
00:12:27.440 talk to any one of them, they'll come and talk to me.
00:12:30.020 Whether it's Sammy DeBull when he got out, whether it's Michael Francis, whether it's
00:12:33.420 the late Frank Collada, or Philly, and I'll give you the list of every one of these guys.
00:12:37.380 I'll sit down and talk.
00:12:38.360 No, not at all.
00:12:39.040 It's just, I enjoy the movies, and so, and I'm in Florida.
00:12:44.000 A lot of these guys end up here, as you know, because they like to live here.
00:12:46.180 They like the warm weather.
00:12:47.220 They like the warm weather.
00:12:48.220 Yes, they do.
00:12:49.180 But flipping is...
00:12:50.880 You know why they like the warm weather?
00:12:52.040 The ground is easier.
00:12:54.640 The ground is easier.
00:12:55.920 Sure, to dig up.
00:12:56.600 Makes sense.
00:12:57.220 Yeah.
00:12:57.620 Makes sense.
00:12:58.160 I like that joke.
00:12:59.120 I think the right people got it faster than I got it.
00:13:01.420 Yeah.
00:13:01.760 But no, I got it.
00:13:02.440 Hey, Michael Cohen here.
00:13:03.600 Look, you all know who I am.
00:13:04.980 Donald Trump's former personal attorney and fixer.
00:13:07.700 A lot of things have taken place over the years.
00:13:09.840 A lot of questions need to be answered.
00:13:12.260 Well, you may have a lot of questions.
00:13:14.000 So do me a favor.
00:13:15.380 Anytime you want to ask me a question, feel free to reach out to me on the next.
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