Valuetainment - January 29, 2026


＂You Flipped＂ - Michael Cohen GRILLED For Turning On Trump

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Michael Cohen testimony
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Patrick Bet-David
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Michael Cohen Scott Jennings Donald Trump Michael Francis Jimmy Kimmel Patrick Jessica Tarlov Letitia James Frank Collada Greg Gutfeld Jesse Waters Sammy DeBull Alvin Bragg Jay Sekulow Weisenberg Steele Jordy Sasha
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On this episode of the Business Development Podcast, I sit down with my good friend and former business partner, Michael Cohen. We talk about the fall out between Michael Cohen and the FBI, why he should have been allowed to stay on air, and why CNN should have fired him.

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00:00:00.940 I'm Kelly Kennedy. I've been called a hope dealer for leaders and with over 300 episodes of the Business Development Podcast, we'll guide you and we'll always be in your corner.
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00:00:23.680 Who has Michael Cohen's back today? Here's why I ask this question.
00:00:27.200 Of course, in 06, when you start working with them, okay, but, you know, in 06, you're working with them from business side.
00:00:34.460 Trump has your back. Then there's a falling out. You flip FBI, time, prison.
00:00:39.760 Actually, I hate that word.
00:00:40.740 Let me just finish this and you say whatever you want. So then you go to the left, whatever word you want to call it.
00:00:46.240 You're the darling of the left. You know, Jimmy Kimmel has you on MSNBC, CNN, everybody has you on.
00:00:51.660 Then you go to Midas Touch. And by the way, Midas Touch, their entire, they even talk about this.
00:00:57.000 Their vision, why they started Midas Touch in March of 2020, was to prevent the president from getting reelected.
00:01:03.520 That was their entire MO to get reelected. You have a show with them.
00:01:06.800 I even think you have a show with one of the founders, if I'm not mistaken.
00:01:10.300 His name is Ben, if I'm not mistaken. Is that his name, Ben?
00:01:13.300 Right. So you have a show with them.
00:01:14.560 And then you come out and you say the following comments.
00:01:16.700 And you said you were compelled and coerced to only provide information and testimony that would satisfy the government's desire to build the case against and secure a judgment and convictions against Trump.
00:01:30.420 You say this in your sub stack.
00:01:33.080 Not a crazy thing.
00:01:34.240 This is your opinion against Letitia James and Alvin Bragg.
00:01:37.340 Then we get news that Midas Touch drops you.
00:01:40.240 This is 10 or 12 days ago.
00:01:42.460 Drops, fired, cutting away, whatever word they want to use.
00:01:45.420 They fired the podcast and they move on.
00:01:47.280 If you were at any other place, you're not getting fired.
00:01:50.600 So your position today, who has Michael Cohen's back?
00:01:54.060 I want to hear your thoughts.
00:01:55.220 My wife, my daughter, my son.
00:01:57.240 Okay.
00:01:57.740 And those people who are more centrist.
00:01:59.920 I have no issue with Ben or his brothers, Brett or Jordy.
00:02:05.060 We're still friends.
00:02:06.100 We still speak.
00:02:07.340 We're just not doing business together.
00:02:09.680 And I understand the reason why they did what they did.
00:02:14.860 They have a very left-leaning constituency.
00:02:19.400 And so they started getting 10,000, 20,000 people telling them,
00:02:31.740 if Michael Cohen remains on the network, we're unsubscribing.
00:02:35.740 Just for that comment?
00:02:36.920 Yes, sir.
00:02:37.680 Just for that comment.
00:02:39.340 Now, these people didn't just make that threat.
00:02:43.880 They actually did it.
00:02:45.880 And it was a significant amount of money.
00:02:49.720 And they have, as you do, a large payroll.
00:02:53.920 And so I said, I understand.
00:02:57.240 I understand.
00:02:58.440 And I have to be me.
00:03:00.980 And you have to be you.
00:03:02.720 But we're still friends.
00:03:04.960 And we still will remain friends even after this.
00:03:08.360 But I have friends who are on the far, far left.
00:03:11.180 And I have friends who are on the far, far right.
00:03:13.320 And everyone is entitled to their opinion.
00:03:18.000 I prefer when you give your opinion that it's predicated off of facts, 1.00
00:03:22.360 not something you pull out of your ass. 1.00
00:03:25.180 I do prefer that. 1.00
00:03:26.720 But everybody has the right.
00:03:28.540 It's the First Amendment.
00:03:30.820 I get that.
00:03:31.680 But, you know, CNN viewers probably are not a fan of Scott Jennings.
00:03:37.180 He didn't get fired.
00:03:38.560 He got a longer contract, right?
00:03:40.300 Right.
00:03:40.500 I saw Scott Jennings about two weeks ago.
00:03:43.180 He's very good at what he does.
00:03:44.260 Scott Jennings, to me, I call him the CEO of CNN because he runs the show there.
00:03:47.280 Without Scott, a lot of people wouldn't be watching CNN.
00:03:51.500 And on the other side, they would say that Jessica Tarlov is the COO of Fox, too.
00:03:56.020 She's with Greg Gutfeld and Jesse Waters.
00:03:58.560 What I'm saying to you is kudos to both institutions for not firing a Michael Cohen.
00:04:04.540 Agreed.
00:04:04.840 Because to me, what's the benefit of a Michael Cohen?
00:04:08.700 You're a complicated character to the average person, right?
00:04:13.960 So to the left or the right, they're like, I don't know, maybe.
00:04:17.700 But what do you do?
00:04:18.380 You at least bring eyeballs, right?
00:04:20.360 You're at least going to get to say, what does this guy have to say?
00:04:22.380 Well, I'm certain that your show is going to do great right now.
00:04:24.760 People are going to be, why is Patrick having Michael Cohen?
00:04:28.420 I mean, what's wrong with him?
00:04:29.700 Is Patrick turning PBD podcast into a radical left, you know, lunatic show?
00:04:36.640 Yeah, or even bigger.
00:04:37.520 Am I going to go, you know, try to hire you as a fixer?
00:04:40.980 Are you going to be, by the way, that'd be a smart move.
00:04:43.200 Are you already, you know, turning the cheek?
00:04:47.940 Are you already, you know, seeing some demise coming to this administration?
00:04:52.760 No, I actually see the opposite.
00:04:54.400 And here's what I see with you, because to me, you know, when I think about you, one
00:04:59.020 thing you have that's very unique with you, and you probably wouldn't recommend this to
00:05:03.660 the average person, but you've gone through it.
00:05:05.220 So your guy that comes in, you saw what it's like to publicly, you know, you say things about
00:05:12.440 Trump, you know, you're on Jimmy Kimmel, you know, he asked you a question, you know,
00:05:16.780 who is the biggest lowlife in that community or part of?
00:05:20.240 And you give all these names.
00:05:21.140 You start off with him, his family, Weisenberg, you go through a list of names that you give.
00:05:25.640 I'm not sure that was the word that I used, but okay.
00:05:27.560 He used the word lowlife.
00:05:28.680 He said, who is the biggest lowlife?
00:05:30.220 And you said, it starts with that.
00:05:31.520 So they can play the clip to see it.
00:05:33.240 But I watched the clip, I think yesterday or something like that, because I'm watching
00:05:36.380 to see how you were used.
00:05:37.660 Okay.
00:05:38.360 So you go there and you're thinking you're making the right move.
00:05:41.880 And maybe you still believe that, that you, you know, with Trump, you said things publicly
00:05:44.900 and then it was very difficult for him for a season.
00:05:48.160 And then the left comes in and then you've been canceled now by both sides.
00:05:52.040 So for you going through this position, do you sit there and say, maybe I shouldn't have
00:05:57.880 done this.
00:05:58.400 Maybe I should have stayed, you know, with Trump.
00:06:02.580 Maybe I should have stayed that position.
00:06:04.040 Has that thought at all crossed your mind?
00:06:05.960 So it's interesting you bring that up.
00:06:07.240 While I was in Otisville, there was a guy, I won't mention his name because I'm sure he listens
00:06:12.080 to your podcast, he knows exactly who he is.
00:06:14.960 Hey, Sasha. 0.92
00:06:16.080 And he turned around and he said to me, why don't you just shut up?
00:06:19.980 He goes, chances are the second you get out or even before.
00:06:25.180 How long was this?
00:06:26.080 Well, that was within the first year that I was there.
00:06:29.020 He goes, Trump will pardon you and he'll probably bring you back in for all you know. 0.79
00:06:33.680 You'll end up with a big contract with Fox.
00:06:36.320 First of all, he goes, you're funny.
00:06:37.760 You're also incredibly, you know, knowledgeable.
00:06:41.320 So he goes, you'll probably end up with like some sort of a Fox contract.
00:06:45.060 And I said, no, nothing that I've said is untrue.
00:06:51.460 I said, I will speak the fact whether it's in favor of Trump or not.
00:06:56.780 Now, I didn't take that advice.
00:07:00.460 From a financial standpoint, probably should I have?
00:07:04.680 Yes.
00:07:06.600 Did I?
00:07:07.700 No.
00:07:07.960 Have I been canceled by both sides?
00:07:11.640 Yes.
00:07:13.780 Would you do anything differently?
00:07:16.280 Specifically with the, because to me, okay, well, let me ask a question.
00:07:20.820 So let me give you, let me give you the better way to sort of frame this question.
00:07:26.720 What ended up pushing me into the hands of prosecutors was never my desire.
00:07:37.100 It was never my goal.
00:07:38.640 I never wanted the FBI to raid my home, my hotel that I was staying at, or my law office.
00:07:45.540 I never wanted it.
00:07:47.360 Why did it happen?
00:07:48.900 Well, the Russia hoax. 0.99
00:07:50.300 And I've always maintained that the Steele dossier was bullshit. 0.98
00:07:55.880 I never went to Prague. 0.98
00:07:57.360 I've never been to Prague.
00:07:59.800 They claimed I had 10 million in cash in Prague to pay off Russian compromises.
00:08:04.980 And so none of it is true.
00:08:06.180 All 13 allegations raised against me were a lie.
00:08:10.360 I went and I saw the president in the Oval Office the very first time I received a request
00:08:17.720 to appear before SIPSE, the Senate Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
00:08:23.560 And I said, no, I spoke to an attorney by the name of Jay Sekulow, who I received through Sean Hannity.
00:08:37.080 And he said, it's like an invitation to a wedding or a bar mitzvah or something like that.
00:08:41.520 You don't have to go.
00:08:42.660 I said, fine.
00:08:43.740 I typed out a response.
00:08:45.420 Thank you, but no thank you.
00:08:47.720 They then hit me with a subpoena.
00:08:49.340 And I said to the president, eye to eye, same distance I'm sitting from you, the only difference
00:08:55.700 wasn't a Formica desk, it was the Lincoln desk, the Resolute desk.
00:09:01.760 I said to him, sir, please shut this down.
00:09:06.380 Nothing good is going to come out of this. 0.96
00:09:07.980 These are a bunch of animals.
00:09:10.040 I'm telling you.
00:09:12.280 And the advice that he got from those that were around him were, it'll be bad.
00:09:18.820 The story will be bad.
00:09:20.800 Today, if it was happening today in 2025, 2026, Trump would have shut it down.
00:09:26.840 That I know because he understands the power that the presidency has.
00:09:31.340 But he was more concerned.
00:09:32.580 He allowed them to convince him.
00:09:35.140 And that's where it all started.
00:09:36.640 When you're under oath, you don't want a thousand and one violation.
00:09:41.460 You're not going to lie under oath.
00:09:42.880 Unless, of course, you're a member of Congress.
00:09:44.820 Then somehow it becomes permissible.
00:09:47.200 I wasn't going to lie under oath.
00:09:49.980 They asked me questions.
00:09:51.140 I gave them the answer.
00:09:52.300 And that's how I became the darling of the left.
00:09:55.860 Because what they did is they took specific topics.
00:09:58.800 And by the way, with all due respect to every single one of your listeners, yourself and
00:10:02.620 everybody that's in this gigantic studio, same thing that they did to him, the same thing
00:10:07.400 they did to me, they can do to you.
00:10:09.520 And that's my, that's my disdain for the system.
00:10:14.460 The system, we are a country of laws, but we're not a country of justice.
00:10:20.800 Depends upon who sits at the lever of power determines who ends up getting screwed and who
00:10:26.820 ends up walking.
00:10:28.440 They can do to you.
00:10:29.620 Who's they?
00:10:30.500 Government.
00:10:31.500 The Department of Justice.
00:10:33.640 The judge.
00:10:34.700 The prosecutors.
00:10:35.400 It's all about what they want to advance their career.
00:10:39.360 You know, ask anybody who's been through the system. 0.99
00:10:42.200 Here's the first line of horseshit that comes out from a prosecutor's mouth. 0.94
00:10:46.900 I have a 98% conviction rate. 0.98
00:10:48.680 You're not going to be part of that 2%. 0.94
00:10:50.400 Huh.
00:10:52.520 98%?
00:10:53.340 Well, you must be a genius.
00:10:55.180 How come you and every single prosecutor has a 98% conviction rate?
00:10:59.300 And the answer?
00:11:00.300 Because they control all the levers.
00:11:01.720 They control the whole game.
00:11:02.900 Still?
00:11:03.260 Still, and with me, what happened?
00:11:06.860 I didn't want to testify.
00:11:08.500 I was subpoenaed every single time within which to testify.
00:11:12.600 Had I not had to testify the first time around, none of this would have gone on.
00:11:17.940 I had no desire within which to.
00:11:20.200 And it's not a question.
00:11:21.200 You use the word flip.
00:11:22.540 It's not a question of flip.
00:11:23.820 It's a question of answering questions, responding to questions.
00:11:27.200 No, you flipped, though.
00:11:28.320 It's not a flip.
00:11:29.240 Michael, you flipped.
00:11:30.220 You went on every single channel, you talk negatively about the president.
00:11:33.920 You flip only when you get a benefit from it.
00:11:38.260 What benefit have I ever received?
00:11:40.000 In other words, think about the mob.
00:11:41.700 Think about the mob.
00:11:42.500 When they flip on their boss.
00:11:43.620 I will tell you.
00:11:44.580 Yeah.
00:11:45.020 Okay.
00:11:45.260 What did I get?
00:11:46.200 Oh, no.
00:11:46.760 What you got, you didn't get.
00:11:48.720 What you wanted, you didn't get.
00:11:49.940 What did I want?
00:11:50.660 What didn't you want?
00:11:51.440 You didn't want a pardon from Biden?
00:11:52.680 You didn't hope that he would pardon you?
00:11:54.040 By the way, with all due respect.
00:11:56.000 He said, I want to de-politicize the concept of pardoning, and then he ends up pardoning
00:12:01.300 his son and Fauci and his family and all the J6s, you know, committee. 0.95
00:12:05.720 Mind you, when I asked for that pardon, I was already finished, and I was already off
00:12:09.440 paper six years.
00:12:11.100 So, flipping, you don't do it post-facto, right?
00:12:14.420 I'm not asking for a post-mortem award.
00:12:17.560 I wanted it.
00:12:18.380 I wanted it early, early on, but that wasn't happening.
00:12:21.260 So, I've sat down with actual mobsters.
00:12:23.320 I've probably done more mob interviews than anybody else in the podcast world, and you
00:12:27.440 talk to any one of them, they'll come and talk to me.
00:12:30.020 Whether it's Sammy DeBull when he got out, whether it's Michael Francis, whether it's
00:12:33.420 the late Frank Collada, or Philly, and I'll give you the list of every one of these guys.
00:12:37.380 I'll sit down and talk.
00:12:38.360 No, not at all.
00:12:39.040 It's just, I enjoy the movies, and so, and I'm in Florida.
00:12:44.000 A lot of these guys end up here, as you know, because they like to live here.
00:12:46.180 They like the warm weather.
00:12:47.220 They like the warm weather.
00:12:48.220 Yes, they do.
00:12:49.180 But flipping is...
00:12:50.880 You know why they like the warm weather?
00:12:52.040 The ground is easier.
00:12:54.640 The ground is easier.
00:12:55.920 Sure, to dig up.
00:12:56.600 Makes sense.
00:12:57.220 Yeah.
00:12:57.620 Makes sense.
00:12:58.160 I like that joke.
00:12:59.120 I think the right people got it faster than I got it.
00:13:01.420 Yeah.
00:13:01.760 But no, I got it.
00:13:02.440 Hey, Michael Cohen here.
00:13:03.600 Look, you all know who I am.
00:13:04.980 Donald Trump's former personal attorney and fixer.
00:13:07.700 A lot of things have taken place over the years.
00:13:09.840 A lot of questions need to be answered.
00:13:12.260 Well, you may have a lot of questions.
00:13:14.000 So do me a favor.
00:13:15.380 Anytime you want to ask me a question, feel free to reach out to me on the next.
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00:13:27.220 Thanks for watching.
00:13:31.240 Thank you.