＂You Voted For Kamala？＂ – HEATED Debate With Sam Seder Over Kamala's' FAILED 2024 Campaign
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In this episode, the guys talk about the Democratic Debates, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders, and why they should have voted for either of them. They also talk about why they voted for the lesser of two and what they would have done differently.
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And you're sitting here saying you guys think you got better policies?
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No, I think Kamala Harris is a policy conversation.
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Kamala Harris is, I mean, I think, look, I think it was what Biden did in staying in was atrocious.
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There's a story coming out now of like Ron Klain coming, seeing him before the debate and realizing the guy was a mess.
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And I think Harris's campaign was also poorly run.
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I think, you know, nobody could tell what her policies were.
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Mark Cuban's going out there saying we're going to get rid of.
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Mark Cuban's coming out there saying like, oh, don't worry.
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She's not going to do any more of this antitrust stuff on one hand.
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I don't want a billionaire coming out and speaking for my candidate.
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What do you think that she was going to do different?
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She was not going to cut Social Security functioning.
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She's not going to lose us five hundred billion dollars worth of of of return on investment with the IRS.
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She's not going to cut the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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Every dollar that you give to the IRS will get six or seven back.
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Every dollar spent at the IRS gets six back in returns.
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The cuts from Doge are going to cost the our government five hundred billion dollars.
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Well, you can spend time attacking the people to do these calculations.
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Well, I'm just I'm just curious to what rando tariffs applied in a willy nilly fashion that crash the economy.
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So you don't so you don't think the tariffs that Trump is.
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That's exactly what the tariffs are exactly what America needs right now, because let's just go to the border.
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What he did with the border with Mexico, with the tariffs.
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He threatened them and they went to fentanyl comes across the border at ports of entry.
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Fentanyl comes across the border, not in illegals crossing the desert.
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She lost everything because your side, you're talking about people.
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You're acting like your whole side was surprised that Biden wasn't there.
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The worst president in the history of the world, in this country, four years because you guys were pretending that he was all there and we knew it.
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How many times did you have to see Biden sitting there and they'd ask him a question and he'd go, oh, I can't because they told me I couldn't.
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OK, and if you think the future is Gavin Newsom, AOC, Bernie Sanders and Jasmine Crockett, you guys are doomed.
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And Elon Musk, you think Elon Musk is a net positive or a net negative for society for what he's doing and pointing out what the hell these people have been screwing us for all these years.
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And he's pointing out you guys are mad at the person pointing out who robbed from you than the actual robber.
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You think he's doing it because he needs the money?
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Where's the person who is going to be indicted for fraud?
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They just cut the agency that provides $295 million to museums and libraries.
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I know how much reading is important to you and your kids.
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You're pointing the one good thing that they probably did.
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What about the waste of countries all around the world for LGBTQ agendas in Rwanda or something?
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The money you're talking about is a fraction of a percentage.
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And if we wanted to get rid of that money, there is a way of doing it, and that is to have Congress vote and reverse what they authorized in the first place.
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But to have a billionaire come in and decide, based upon what his personal preferences are, that he's going to cut government in this way, I'm sorry.
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I don't think Americans heard the word doge outside of it being some type of crypto.
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I think inflation was a big part of it for them.
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I think for a 90% of his voters voted for Mitt Romney.
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I think the Republican Party wants to have tax cuts.
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Inflation can happen in a couple of different ways.
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Inflation can happen because you have too much monetary supply.
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Inflation can happen in terms of both from a monetary supply level or a fiscal stimulus.
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And inflation can also happen if you have a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that completely
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And so you've got shipping containers that usually cost $4,000 to ship, but now they cost
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$22,000 to get because they're in far-flung places because the pandemic screwed up.
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We saw rate cuts on the table because we saw inflation dropping.
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Do you think any of it was with, again, so those are the main two issues.
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So you mainly think it was inflation and your second point was-
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Well, I think in large part, we have structural problems in this country, and that's why we
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keep getting change elections where we keep going back and forth, back and forth.
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And I would say those structural problems range from, I think a lot of them have to do with
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So you think Democrats are better at helping wealth inequality or Republicans?
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I think, you know, during Biden, I had a lot of problems with Biden, but-
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Through government jobs, where 6% of the workers work from home.
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Labor, I mean, strengthening labor strength in the marketplace helps with wealth inequality.
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I think antitrust goes a long way to wealth inequality because it literally is to break
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Where we are not getting, like this, numbers have dropped dramatically.
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Well, I mean, if you go back and look in the, and I don't necessarily agree with Biden doing
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this, but if you go back and look at the numbers starting in the summer of 2024, maybe
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Listen, I'm not in favor of him doing this, but he did do it.
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So you mean in an election year, he tried to slow it up more?
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I'd like to get through some stories, but I just want to close the knot here and move
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on because we're not going to make any progress here.
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Rob, if you just want to show up graph on immigration from 2021, 22, 22, is that the chart you want
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Show up how many illegal immigrants came here.
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Dramatically in January, and I'm suggesting to you if you look at the past 12 months-
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Okay, Rob, do me a favor, find the chart on immediately when Trump comes in what happens
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While you're doing that, here's a question for you.
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10 million illegal immigrants came through the border in four years under Biden.
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What's the number of undocumented immigrants you think we have in this country right now?
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That came through, that we have, according to credible sources, what's the number you
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That are in the country now, or actually just crossed?
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No, that came through illegally during those four years.
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I would imagine it's probably close to like five, six, maybe to 10 million.
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Let's say it's 10 million, but give or take 2 million.
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Let's just say it's 10 million, the number, okay?
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Those 10 million people that are coming here, are they rich?
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Oh, I think they're going to get exploited, without a doubt, if that's where you go with
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Do they benefit larger corporations that get cheap labor?
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Give them documents so that they can get worker protections.
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So then if that's the case, you know what that validates?
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Joe Biden and the Democratic policies are better for the billionaires than Trump's are, because
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Oh, I am in favor of a path to citizenship that is much easier.
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And by the way, those 10 million people that came here illegally, give or take.
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And that was in that bill that they suggested in the fall of 2023 that Trump said he didn't
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want, because he wanted to keep it as an issue.
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Who do those 10 million people take jobs away from?
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I don't know that they take jobs away from that.
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We are at when I in in 20 years ago, we were told that the lowest unemployment that it was
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possible to have with a functioning economy was what?
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You think they don't take jobs away from anybody.
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So if we go and we look at when China started trading.
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When China came through and was able to bring labor to us, 1971, it was called a ping pong
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agreement that they had where, you know, we can send labor there.
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And labor at the time was eight cents to 20 cents an hour, where for us, minimum wage
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Then in 2001, when the Clinton policies helped China join the World Trade Organization, and
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at the time, minimum wage in China was 20 cents to 50 cents, depending on different regions.
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We lost six million manufacturing jobs, give or take the next seven years.
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Michigan, you got Indiana, you got all these other places.
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So what do you think these 10 million people that come here, who are you going to take
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Those jobs are going to go to somebody that's cheap labor.
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Capital decided that it was cheaper for them to move to China.
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I'm specifically talking about the last four years.
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So when you're saying labor is not going to be taken from people in America, that's the
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Now, Rob, can you play the clip with Stephen A.
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Smith, who has been a staunch supporter of the Democratic Party for decades, and now
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This is Owens, Sean Hannity, and other prominent voices from the right on this podcast as reasons
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Here's a portion of what he wrote on MSNBC.com in an article titled, ESPN Stephen A. Smith
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Jones says, quote, Stephen A. Smith's embrace of the MAGA movement and its influencers has only
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In recent days, for example, he has spoken with right-wing commentators Ben Shapiro,
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You might be thinking that these were adversarial chats between a left-leaning centrist and a
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But to adroit listeners, they can come across more as conservatives in friendly discussion
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Smith's overt politicism seems to fly in the face of ESPN's apparent effort in recent years
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to deter some of its talent from speaking on controversial political matters.
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Either way, the network's most recognizable host is now regularly platforming MAGA propaganda
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Now, my team reached out to Jones to have a discussion about the article.
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I wanted to invite him on the show to talk with me one-on-one personally.
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I hope we get the opportunity to have that dialogue.
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He didn't avoid the call or anything like that.
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But in the meantime, let me express to you what I think about what he wrote.
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I think that's the exact problem with the left.
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You see, if I don't agree with you, I must be MAGA.
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First of all, even though I lean left, particularly with how I vote with presidential elections,
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I want to emphasize that I've always been a centrist my entire life.
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I've never once described myself as a Democrat or a Republican.
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I'm not on one side of the other hook, line, or sinker.
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You will see images or you'll hear me rattle off names of people who've been on this show.
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Did you know I'm on News Nation with Chris Cuomo every week?
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Did you know that I just appeared with Jake Tapper on CNN?
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Do you know I've been on MSNBC on several occasions?
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So, do you know what happens when a guy like Stephen A. Smith, he said he's always voted left when it comes on to presidential candidates that he has.
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So, he's not a guy that voted for Trump, right?
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When a guy like him comes out and he says, what the hell is going on with the Democratic Party?
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You must not follow what he says because he has said that nonstop the last two months, three months.
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If you want to make America great again, I'm all in.
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In 2022, when people were leaving to the DeSantis camp, I stayed on the Trump camp.
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He's the right guy for America, and I've been a registered independent now for about
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What is the topic that there's some guy I've never heard of from-
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If you didn't hear Stephen A. Smith, I would have a meltdown right now.
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When you think about Stephen A., what he's been talking about lately with the Democratic
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I don't have to subscribe to what a centrist perspective-
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I mean, he's a centrist, like Gavin Newsom is a centrist.
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Gavin Newsom is saying the exact same thing as Stephen A. Smith.
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Because he realized that progressive policies have been a disaster.
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He's a centrist as a week ago when he realized progressiveness is horrible.
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It's not a question of I'm rigid and I'm not changing anything.
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Like, you know, over time I have had a different perspective on the deficit over the past 20 years
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But you've become more liberal over the last 20 years.
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You've become more of a leftist and progressive.
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I would say, to a certain extent, I mean, to the extent, like, I don't, you know, like,
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you guys have these, like, labels that you like to use and there's some type of gradation.
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But I've always been about where I am in terms of taxation.
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But I am for a little bit more decommodification probably than I was 20 years ago.
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And all I'm saying here before we go, look, I'm going to go to the audience.
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Audience, we're coming to you here in a second to go through some of the stories here.
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We're going to talk about whatever stories we go through.
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But the one thing we did learn here with you is America grew up the last four years.
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Every state became more Republican because of the horrible policies on the left.
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Whether it was how they handled COVID, what they did with our kids, how they handled people that didn't want to take the vaccine, and people were fed up.
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And they voted for a guy who had already been president for four years.
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So it's not like they said they want something new.
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They said, no, we wouldn't go back to the guy previous to that guy.
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That is the biggest black eye to Obama, to Kamala, to Democrats, to everybody on the left when they went back to the guy that they said they didn't want four years later saying, it's like an ex coming back and saying, babe, I messed up.
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I should have never left you for the other girl.
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I'm not a big fan of Obama's, and I'm not a big fan of Harris's either.
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But the point is you still haven't graduated Sanders.
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The people that follow Sanders and AOC are in seventh grade, eighth grade.
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Your philosophies are popular in high schools, not with adults.
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The policies that you support are high school policies.
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They were not popular when I was in high school.
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Karl Marx was a hero in kids that went to high school because teachers were feeding the Karl Marx stuff.
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And there was fear of communism and that socialism was barely ever expressed.
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You're right there saying, guys, I don't want to fully publicly say I'm a communist.
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I know you're not big on labels, but just humor me.
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I mean, I think, you know, I'm probably a social democrat.
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So I would say that there is a certain amount of society where I believe we do not need the private market to deliver it and is less efficient.
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So when it comes to health insurance, we have already in this country one third, maybe a little more, actually, on some form of government health insurance.
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I called yesterday just to make an example in our work area.
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Nobody's picking up the phone for me to get an appointment.
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And when you go there, it's the most depressing thing.
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But the good news is when you go to get the DMV, the driver's license, that's great service, right?
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We can look at 250 years of government and everything we've got here.
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If that's one of your foundational beliefs, that the private markets will be less efficient,
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Two to three cents of every dollar in Medicare is spent on administrative costs.
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I've got to be careful when I hear things like that.
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You go back and you look at, well, I was only counting this.
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Ninety-seven to ninety-eight cents actually goes to paying Medicare providers, doctors, labs, whatnot.
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We're going to move on because your core tenet—
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I think how to answer the question, Tom, your core tenet that the private markets are less efficient is wrong.
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In private health insurance, it is 17 cents on every dollar.
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And if that's your foundation, we can't discuss anything.
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They're paying for shareholder value, et cetera, et cetera.
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So for every dollar you spend, and on top of which, anybody who has private health insurance, who deals with it themselves, knows it's like having a second job just to either get reimbursed or you get to figure out every year when you re-sign up, it's my doctor in or out of the program.
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Why was MedSup and Medicare Advantage invented?
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The Americans wanted to privatize it, and it is widely understood that Medicare Advantage is the worst part of Medicare, and people get sucked into it, and they find out that they've been hoodwinked.
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I mean, these are all easily found data points.
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On the way here, my TSA pre-check was not on the thing, so I just went through it.
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No, I'm saying, but you pay, I think, it was like $500 or $100 for five years for a TSA pre-check?
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TSA pre-check is basically like a public-private partnership where you pay a little bit more.
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He looks at private companies, and he frowns upon private companies.
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He said, I'm not going to give my money to a private company.
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Yeah, so let's go to the next story with Terry.
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You don't want to give money to a private company, but you are a private company.
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Well, I don't want to give my biometric information to a private company.
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