Valuetainment - May 20, 2025


＂Zelenskyy Is A Pawn＂ - Trump & Putin Skip Turkey Peace Summit To End Ukrainian War


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Vladimir Putin will not be attending peace talks with Ukraine and Russia on Thursday in Istanbul, Turkey. What will Putin do if President Trump is not there? What will he do if he's not there, and why not?

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00:00:00.000 So Zelensky challenges Putin to meet him in person for peace talks, just as Trump suggested.
00:00:04.680 Ukrainian President Zelensky challenged Putin to meet him in person for peace talks in Istanbul
00:00:09.880 with his advisor, Mikhail Podolik, stating President Zelensky will not meet with any
00:00:16.280 other Russian representative in Istanbul except for Putin as a sign Russia is ready to end
00:00:21.180 its invasion.
00:00:21.920 This followed President Trump's suggestion, who said talks are being held in Turkey later
00:00:26.160 this week, probably on Thursday, and they could produce some pretty good results.
00:00:30.280 The Kremlin has not confirmed Putin's attendance at the Thursday meeting, which is today, which
00:00:34.820 he proposed after Western threats of sanctions of 30 days, he's ceasefire was not agreed upon
00:00:41.000 with the Institute for the Study of War, noting Russia foreign officials claim a sit-down would
00:00:46.480 be pure spectacle.
00:00:48.700 U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Keith Kellogg and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will attempt
00:00:54.120 to help end the three-year war, per familiar sources.
00:00:57.740 And then obviously, Rob, if you got the clip, go on and play the clip here.
00:01:00.000 What happens on Thursday if President Putin doesn't show up in Turkey for the talks with
00:01:04.820 Ukraine?
00:01:05.820 What will you do?
00:01:06.820 He's showing up.
00:01:07.820 I know he would like me to be there.
00:01:11.640 And that's a possibility.
00:01:12.640 If we could end the war, I'd be thinking about that.
00:01:16.640 Tomorrow, we're all booked out.
00:01:18.140 You understand that?
00:01:19.140 We're all set.
00:01:20.140 But if he goes, you will be here tomorrow.
00:01:23.560 And so we have a very full situation.
00:01:26.520 Now, that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it to save a lot of lives and come back.
00:01:31.320 But yeah, I think they're thinking about something.
00:01:34.200 I don't know that he would be there if I'm not there.
00:01:36.960 We're going to find out.
00:01:37.960 Marco is going.
00:01:39.740 And Marco has been very effective.
00:01:41.240 OK, so that's one, Rob.
00:01:43.900 Do you have the other clip as well?
00:01:44.860 The other clip about Ukraine and Russia can't agree on who will meet for peace talks from
00:01:50.060 The Wall Street Journal?
00:01:51.140 I have Fox News reporting on it.
00:01:53.220 This, I believe, broke late last night where it was announced that Putin will not be traveling.
00:01:58.180 OK, go ahead and play this clip.
00:01:59.060 President Trump and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, will not attend tomorrow's
00:02:04.540 peace talks between Kiev and Moscow.
00:02:06.780 That, after learning that Putin was not on the list of attendees, a U.S. official said
00:02:11.660 once we learned that, they took the president off the possible list of attendees as well.
00:02:16.500 As for Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelensky, well, he's on his way to Turkey.
00:02:20.380 He earlier said he'd only take part in talks if Putin was present.
00:02:24.360 President Trump, for his part, wants the two sides to sign a 30-day ceasefire deal.
00:02:28.340 OK, so here's my question for you.
00:02:31.320 It was Putin, was Trump supposed to be there with Putin being there, or did Putin find that
00:02:37.920 President Trump's not going to be there so he backed out?
00:02:40.220 Which one is it, Rob?
00:02:41.520 Tom, Trump, Tom, do you know?
00:02:43.220 No, I don't.
00:02:44.320 That's the main question.
00:02:45.800 Because to me, Adam, do you know or no?
00:02:48.020 Do you know what question I just asked?
00:02:49.540 So I just asked the following question.
00:02:50.820 So did Putin decide not to go because he found that the president, that president is not fully
00:02:58.680 committed to being there?
00:03:00.720 Or did Putin last minute know that the president was going to be there and then all of a sudden
00:03:06.640 canceled and said, I'm not going?
00:03:10.100 And then the president Trump said, also, I'm also canceling.
00:03:12.140 I'm not going.
00:03:12.860 No, I think it's pretty clear in my opinion that this comes down to one person, Putin not
00:03:17.820 showing up.
00:03:18.460 You're telling me that if Putin agreed to show up, Trump would move everything in his
00:03:22.360 schedule to get to, I think, Istanbul in this kitchen.
00:03:26.080 He's in the Middle East already.
00:03:27.700 This comes down to Putin.
00:03:29.120 And then what did Zelensky say?
00:03:30.160 Why wouldn't Putin not show up?
00:03:31.700 Because he's not willing to come to the table.
00:03:34.760 Why not, though?
00:03:36.500 Because clearly, he's not willing to end this war.
00:03:40.460 No, no, no.
00:03:41.220 It's deeper than that.
00:03:42.940 It's deeper than that.
00:03:43.720 What do you think it is?
00:03:45.920 No, it's deeper than that.
00:03:47.280 Because I think Putin is, you can have five different bosses and have to negotiate with
00:03:54.660 each of them in five different ways.
00:03:56.920 You don't negotiate with each one the same exact way as you negotiated with the other
00:04:00.520 one.
00:04:00.660 If there's anybody that knows this, guess who this is?
00:04:03.220 Trump knows this.
00:04:04.640 100%.
00:04:05.040 I guarantee he already is thinking about what ways to do.
00:04:09.020 Something is not adding up.
00:04:10.880 His request was what?
00:04:12.280 What was his request?
00:04:13.000 His request is to some sort of a guarantee that they're not going to be going into NATO.
00:04:18.600 Right?
00:04:19.040 That's one.
00:04:19.880 There's a couple requests that he made.
00:04:21.420 Putin made.
00:04:22.420 I'm not sure if those requests are being met.
00:04:26.080 And also, I'm not sure if he is convinced that Zelensky is not going to use that moment to
00:04:36.240 make a spectacle the way he did with Trump.
00:04:39.300 And if Zelensky is going to act hardcore on the camera the way he did with Trump to go
00:04:44.800 back and show his people strength, yeah, I don't.
00:04:48.340 And by the way, remember, Putin is not one.
00:04:50.720 Have you ever seen Putin animated speaking?
00:04:52.760 Matter of fact, go on YouTube, Rob.
00:04:54.480 Type in Putin speaking animated.
00:04:58.680 Just type in Putin speaking animated.
00:05:01.620 Have you ever seen him speaking in a very animated way?
00:05:05.300 Never.
00:05:06.080 You've heard others do that.
00:05:07.940 Everything else is a meme.
00:05:09.280 Go a little bit lower, Rob.
00:05:10.540 Go a little bit lower, Rob.
00:05:11.620 Keep going lower slowly.
00:05:13.080 See, everything is a meme.
00:05:14.100 There is no such thing as him speaking.
00:05:16.440 As a matter of fact, go to the one that says 1.8 million, Rob.
00:05:19.000 Let's see what that, all the way to the right.
00:05:20.300 All the way to the right.
00:05:20.960 Let's see how he speaks there.
00:05:23.620 Can you put some audio?
00:05:24.600 I don't even want to know what he's saying.
00:05:25.580 I just want to hear his tone.
00:05:31.540 This is the most animated you'll see.
00:05:33.240 Go back to the 4.5 million or the 5.4 million.
00:05:37.300 There's one clip that was 5.4 million.
00:05:39.800 Go a little bit lower, Rob.
00:05:40.660 Not those.
00:05:41.160 Go lower, lower, lower.
00:05:41.920 Right there.
00:05:42.320 That one that says 4.3 million.
00:05:44.100 Click on that one.
00:05:48.880 That's the most animated you'll see him.
00:05:51.280 Have you ever seen him in a room forcing the business owner to sign?
00:05:56.100 You ever seen him force, it says, take the pen and sign?
00:05:58.720 He goes, come here and give me back my pen.
00:06:00.940 Putin forces guy to sign.
00:06:03.100 Forces guy to sign.
00:06:04.260 And even if you see the way he does this.
00:06:07.720 Is this it, Rob?
00:06:09.400 Yeah, that's it.
00:06:10.080 That's it.
00:06:10.320 The top one.
00:06:10.800 Is it the top one?
00:06:12.000 And there's audio on it, too.
00:06:13.660 Click on it.
00:06:14.520 And go closer to, I think it's like midway, where he forces the guy to sign.
00:06:20.220 I think if I'm Putin, yeah, go right there.
00:06:22.880 He says, well, do it without you.
00:06:24.480 And the business owner is like, what are you talking about?
00:06:26.800 It's a billionaire.
00:06:27.000 It's a billionaire.
00:06:27.380 Deripaska, sign an undertaking to restart factories.
00:06:30.300 Just come here.
00:06:31.080 Sign.
00:06:31.360 It's a billionaire.
00:06:44.220 Come here.
00:06:46.100 Watch this.
00:06:48.800 There's agreement.
00:06:54.100 Everyone's watching.
00:06:55.640 You're my pen.
00:06:59.480 You're my pen.
00:07:00.120 It's a strong arm.
00:07:01.720 Classic Putin.
00:07:02.580 So you can pause it right here.
00:07:04.740 What did you do to that guy right there?
00:07:05.940 But let me tell you.
00:07:06.960 Took over his company?
00:07:07.800 No, he didn't take over the company.
00:07:09.260 There was something he was doing that was not good for the employees, and he was taking
00:07:12.300 it.
00:07:12.540 There was some sort of an abuse that was going on where he was kind of putting him in his
00:07:16.340 place.
00:07:16.840 But let me just make my point here.
00:07:18.040 Yeah.
00:07:22.660 When you're a wiring like that, you have to.
00:07:30.120 Make sure the other person understands the level of respect he wants from you if you're
00:07:34.520 going to face him.
00:07:35.040 Hmm.
00:07:36.280 And to me, Zelensky hasn't shown that he's capable of doing that.
00:07:41.780 I think he trusts Trump because he sees Trump as an equal.
00:07:44.920 I think he sees Zelensky as a way over his head type of guy.
00:07:50.060 Papa, you just put that.
00:07:51.180 Yeah.
00:07:51.420 And I fully agree with you on that.
00:07:52.940 And I think that's the reason why he doesn't want to go there.
00:07:58.480 If you have the private conversations together, again, guys, this is pure speculation in your
00:08:04.520 opinion.
00:08:04.740 My opinion.
00:08:05.520 And I'm telling you this, my opinion.
00:08:07.220 I think if there was a call that they had.
00:08:10.260 And by the way, you know what else it is?
00:08:11.700 You can't say this to Trump.
00:08:14.560 So.
00:08:16.600 I can't even say that to you that, hey, if he acts like that, I almost think Trump needs
00:08:22.000 to be proactive to tell him, hey, if he acts like that, I'm going to put him in his place.
00:08:28.540 You don't need to say anything.
00:08:31.120 And he needs to get that reassurance that Zelensky doesn't do a photo op bullshit that
00:08:36.660 he did last time when he was in the White House.
00:08:38.420 And that message would come from me if I'm Trump.
00:08:41.060 And I'm going to call Zelensky and I'm going to say, listen, let me tell you what's going
00:08:43.800 to happen to you.
00:08:44.580 I swear to God, if you try to make it into a spectacle, you're not going to like what I'm
00:08:50.340 going to do to you.
00:08:50.920 Good.
00:08:51.240 But if you're going to be respectful and you want your people to live and no more 1.00
00:08:56.160 dying, I need you to behave accordingly.
00:08:59.280 Don't use this as a photo op the way you did in the White House.
00:09:01.820 It's going to be very bad for you.
00:09:03.300 I think the president needs to call Zelensky.
00:09:06.600 Then he needs to call Putin to say, I had the call with Zelensky.
00:09:11.180 You don't have to worry about that.
00:09:12.840 Let's come at the table together and let's figure out a way to do this.
00:09:16.360 I think that'll make the president, that'll make President Putin more open to the eyes.
00:09:20.960 Again, I'm just purely speculating.
00:09:22.440 I'm not on the inside.
00:09:23.160 I'm not talking to any of these guys.
00:09:24.720 I'm just giving some of my thoughts here.
00:09:26.880 I actually fully agree with you.
00:09:28.340 I think if you're looking, if you're talking about bosses and you know, Trump is daddy,
00:09:32.400 you're talking like that.
00:09:33.800 Zelensky is the weird sort of coked out stepson.
00:09:37.580 And you're looking at Putin, who's an absolute boss.
00:09:40.260 And I get that he's not our ally at all.
00:09:43.140 I want to be very clear about that to all the Putin fanatics out there.
00:09:46.840 He's not our ally, but that doesn't mean you can't respect the guy.
00:09:50.740 So, you know, you look at, Rob, I sent you something.
00:09:52.700 You look at the video that we just did of Putin, and then you look at this video of Zelensky.
00:09:57.660 You think Putin respects this guy?
00:09:59.300 I thought that was fake, by the way.
00:10:00.320 No, that's actually a real video.
00:10:01.560 You got junk in the trunk right there, Zelensky.
00:10:04.380 So, I totally understand why Putin is looking at Zelensky.
00:10:07.600 I'm like, this is who you want me to respect and negotiate?
00:10:10.920 I don't even think that's what it is.
00:10:12.440 Well, that's a part of it.
00:10:13.760 That video exists.
00:10:14.520 No, I don't think that's what it is.
00:10:15.700 But part of it is this.
00:10:16.340 I don't think that's what it is.
00:10:16.840 Part of it is this.
00:10:18.400 It's not negotiating with Zelensky.
00:10:20.880 Zelensky is a pawn, literally.
00:10:22.800 It's negotiating with Trump and the United States.
00:10:24.860 It's negotiating with NATO.
00:10:26.700 It's negotiating with the EU.
00:10:28.220 The entire world, the democratic Western world, is against Russia.
00:10:33.020 And Russia's just throwing up their middle fingers, saying, we're not coming to the table.
00:10:37.100 So, you know, they're going to basically have little bro Zelensky show up.
00:10:41.340 And I fully agree with you what you're saying, PBD, is that this better not be a photo-op situation.
00:10:46.140 If I leave Moscow and show up, it's to get stuff done, not for some photo-op situation, right?
00:10:52.640 Yeah.
00:10:53.020 I don't know.
00:10:53.580 I mean, Tom, did you have any thoughts on this or not?
00:10:55.140 Yeah, I mean, look, Zelensky is just Zelensky.
00:11:02.100 And that's not what Putin is all about.
00:11:06.320 Putin is all about you kept moving NATO toward me.
00:11:10.940 And I told you I didn't want that.
00:11:12.680 And you pushed and you pushed and you pushed.
00:11:14.620 And the neocons among you pushed.
00:11:16.680 He says, if you want to stop this thing, Crimea is mine.
00:11:21.740 The Russian-speaking area, the occupation, Dornbus and other things, those are Russians. 0.83
00:11:28.160 And we're redrawing it.
00:11:30.040 And everyone says, no, you can't do that.
00:11:33.140 And then we're going to stay at war.
00:11:34.200 Because the neocons want to stay at war with Russia.
00:11:36.940 Of course.
00:11:37.220 They want to keep pushing it.
00:11:39.060 They want the war. 0.84
00:11:40.180 War is profitable. 1.00
00:11:42.100 And there's other things going on with, you know, on the corruption scoreboard.
00:11:48.960 Ukraine was listed five years ago as the most corrupt country in Europe.
00:11:55.080 Weird.
00:11:55.560 In terms of everything from trade deals to industry kickbacks.
00:11:59.980 Yeah.
00:12:00.600 Behind one other country, though.
00:12:02.940 Russia.
00:12:03.960 Yep.
00:12:04.540 Russia, number one corrupt.
00:12:06.520 Ukraine, number two.
00:12:07.320 Good point.
00:12:08.440 Correct.
00:12:09.340 And so now you've got the two most corrupt guys going together.
00:12:13.960 And Putin calls this off.
00:12:17.060 But he gets Crimea. 0.82
00:12:18.920 He gets the Russian-speaking area occupation.
00:12:21.740 And Ukraine doesn't go to NATO.
00:12:23.960 And if that happens, this is over tomorrow.
00:12:26.280 Is that the right answer?
00:12:27.700 I don't know.
00:12:28.280 But if that happens tomorrow, then you have this.
00:12:32.380 And Zelensky, I just don't think, when they have peace, what happens to Zelensky the next election?
00:12:38.740 He's gone.
00:12:39.600 Oh, yeah.
00:12:40.280 So this is his career move.
00:12:43.920 Zelensky needs the war to keep relevant.
00:12:46.860 And he doesn't care how many people in his own country are dying.
00:12:49.520 Yeah.
00:12:50.120 And he would rather have peace talks in Colombia.
00:12:53.420 Right?
00:12:54.000 So there's things we understand.
00:12:55.420 So you think there's a part of Zelensky that actually doesn't want to stop the war and just wants to stay in power?
00:13:00.040 Absolutely.
00:13:00.820 I think so.
00:13:01.220 And he's got alignment with the military-industrial complex of the West, who love it that their own governments print money.
00:13:07.660 If it is state of mind, then that is the worst thing that I've ever heard.
00:13:11.640 Well, and I'm not denying it.
00:13:13.300 I'm not agreeing with it.
00:13:14.100 I'm just saying, if he actually wants to keep the war going so he can stay in power, that is the definition of a piece of shit.
00:13:21.160 Exactly.
00:13:21.660 But here's the thing.
00:13:22.600 Adam, look at for the past four years what they did.
00:13:25.640 Bro, he got – they did a montage of him at the Oscars, and they made this guy so big and so popular because of the money laundering situation that's happening over there.
00:13:34.060 You don't think that he wants a Democrat – you know why he's hanging in there?
00:13:37.900 Because he wants the next president of this country to be a Democrat because when's the last time he came here and begged for money and we gave him a dollar?
00:13:44.860 We're not giving him shit.
00:13:45.700 Well, we just did the mineral deal with Trump.
00:13:47.620 That was the whole concept.
00:13:48.500 It's not a mineral deal, but hold on.
00:13:50.360 We just gave them $250 billion.
00:13:52.640 What did we get in return?
00:13:54.260 You know what I mean?
00:13:55.400 I think – listen, when you meet with a killer, and I don't mean literally like killer –
00:14:03.480 Like Tom.
00:14:03.980 No, when you meet with a killer in business and killers sit down and – I'll never forget.
00:14:09.500 I met with another guy in business and insurance that it was full-on war.
00:14:15.800 I remember – and Adam, you even knew about this at the time.
00:14:18.420 If you remember, we're at the Boca Raton one time where some of the incidents were taking place.
00:14:22.720 Yep.
00:14:23.540 That Bob had to get involved in.
00:14:25.020 Tom clearly remembers about this.
00:14:26.980 I remember our first meeting where we met.
00:14:31.660 It was respect, respect.
00:14:35.160 He says, listen, man, let me tell you how I am.
00:14:36.740 I'm the type of guy that if we got a problem, let's go hash it out together in the back.
00:14:39.680 I said, perfect.
00:14:40.200 I'm like that as well.
00:14:40.980 What do you want to do?
00:14:42.360 Do you know today how close we are?
00:14:43.700 Mm-hmm.
00:14:44.480 Do you know if he calls me and we speak?
00:14:47.000 Straight up on the same page.
00:14:48.940 He's not a game guy.
00:14:50.300 Now, another guy in business back in the days who was such a manipulative, deceptive game guy,
00:14:55.640 he called – the last 50 phone calls he's called me.
00:14:58.840 I have no interest to talk to him.
00:15:01.380 You know why?
00:15:01.740 Because he's full of shit is what he is.
00:15:03.440 So, in this instance, if somebody was to broker a deal for us to meet and I'm supposed to have that guy be there, I don't believe him.
00:15:14.180 He's a liar.
00:15:15.480 He's a manipulator.
00:15:16.380 He's deceptive.
00:15:17.420 Great speaker, very talented, but he's a very deceptive manipulator.
00:15:22.220 Nothing that ever came out of his mouth he ever kept his word.
00:15:25.480 The other guy who's a bigger boss, whatever came out of his mouth he kept his word.
00:15:29.720 So, if he's like, I'm going to kill you, I believe you.
00:15:33.340 Versus the other guy says, oh, man, if I had my way of investing $10 million with you, you know I would have.
00:15:38.140 He's so full of shit.
00:15:39.660 I don't believe any flattery that came from this guy.
00:15:42.840 I take this other guy – so, to me, in this case, Zelensky is not a guy that he believes he will keep his word for anything.
00:15:51.640 And I think he believes Trump.
00:15:53.940 So, I think this is a real deal that Trump and Putin need to work out, and I think they will because both of them are tough guys.
00:16:01.920 They're going to figure it out.
00:16:02.840 But after the minerals deal being signed, Trump probably also made a promise to Zelensky that we don't know about that protects Zelensky.
00:16:13.960 I don't know what that is that he thinks he's going to get for them.
00:16:16.460 And then Putin may be like, why are you making a promise to him before talking to me?
00:16:20.820 And that may be a problem because that one thing that Trump may be asking for Putin to discount for Zelensky, Putin's like, why are you negotiating on my behalf with Zelensky?
00:16:31.760 So, again, I don't know.
00:16:34.140 I don't know what happened there.
00:16:35.620 Sometimes power players don't like it when another power player negotiates on their behalf without them confirming it.
00:16:40.520 I never said yes to that.
00:16:41.720 Why did you do that?
00:16:42.260 I would never agree to that.
00:16:43.720 Well, da-da-da-da-da.
00:16:44.860 So, hey, let's do it for the people.
00:16:46.920 I don't know.
00:16:47.240 Now, this is very complex, you know, that I think 90% of this is the conversations that are behind closed doors that nobody in the world knows about except the people that are involved in politics.
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00:18:02.440 On top of that, Rob, did I send you that picture?
00:18:04.220 This puts the biggest smile on my face.
00:18:06.180 This is one of the best things about the Future Looks Bright brand is you get to put a smile on somebody else's face.
00:18:11.540 Here's somebody that bought the lemon campaign that we did, zest it forward, and send it to someone.
00:18:17.060 And look what it says here.
00:18:18.060 I love that smile.
00:18:19.400 Mother's Day can feel different when the kids are grown and the nest is empty, but your journey as a mom doesn't end.
00:18:24.920 It just evolves along with you.
00:18:26.460 Let's take a moment to celebrate strength, wisdom, sense of humor, and the love of the empty nester moms who continue to nurture, support, and inspire,
00:18:32.740 even from afar, we deserve to be acknowledged and celebrated every day.
00:18:37.180 How awesome is that?
00:18:38.420 And look at the smile she's got there, Rob.
00:18:40.500 If you want to go to the next pages, she's got the box, she's got the card, she's got the video, she's got the hat.
00:18:45.560 So if you're somebody that's saying, I was never in the military, but you know, make a list of a handful of people.
00:18:50.960 Make their day.
00:18:51.760 Send something to them.
00:18:53.160 Put a smile on their faces.
00:18:54.340 Sometimes we just need to, you know, one of the ways to cheer yourself up is make somebody else's day.
00:19:00.760 It's always been my way of doing it.
00:19:02.020 If I'm in a bad mood, I'm like, let me find a way to make somebody else's day.
00:19:04.600 I feel better about it.
00:19:05.740 So go place an order.
00:19:07.360 Zest it forward.
00:19:08.940 Make someone's day by visiting vtmerch.com.
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