"Zelenskyy Is A Pawn" - Trump & Putin Skip Turkey Peace Summit To End Ukrainian War
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Vladimir Putin will not be attending peace talks with Ukraine and Russia on Thursday in Istanbul, Turkey. What will Putin do if President Trump is not there? What will he do if he's not there, and why not?
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So Zelensky challenges Putin to meet him in person for peace talks, just as Trump suggested.
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Ukrainian President Zelensky challenged Putin to meet him in person for peace talks in Istanbul
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with his advisor, Mikhail Podolik, stating President Zelensky will not meet with any
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other Russian representative in Istanbul except for Putin as a sign Russia is ready to end
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This followed President Trump's suggestion, who said talks are being held in Turkey later
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this week, probably on Thursday, and they could produce some pretty good results.
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The Kremlin has not confirmed Putin's attendance at the Thursday meeting, which is today, which
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he proposed after Western threats of sanctions of 30 days, he's ceasefire was not agreed upon
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with the Institute for the Study of War, noting Russia foreign officials claim a sit-down would
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U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Keith Kellogg and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will attempt
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to help end the three-year war, per familiar sources.
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And then obviously, Rob, if you got the clip, go on and play the clip here.
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What happens on Thursday if President Putin doesn't show up in Turkey for the talks with
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If we could end the war, I'd be thinking about that.
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Now, that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it to save a lot of lives and come back.
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But yeah, I think they're thinking about something.
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I don't know that he would be there if I'm not there.
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The other clip about Ukraine and Russia can't agree on who will meet for peace talks from
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This, I believe, broke late last night where it was announced that Putin will not be traveling.
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President Trump and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, will not attend tomorrow's
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That, after learning that Putin was not on the list of attendees, a U.S. official said
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once we learned that, they took the president off the possible list of attendees as well.
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As for Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelensky, well, he's on his way to Turkey.
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He earlier said he'd only take part in talks if Putin was present.
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President Trump, for his part, wants the two sides to sign a 30-day ceasefire deal.
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It was Putin, was Trump supposed to be there with Putin being there, or did Putin find that
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President Trump's not going to be there so he backed out?
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So did Putin decide not to go because he found that the president, that president is not fully
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Or did Putin last minute know that the president was going to be there and then all of a sudden
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And then the president Trump said, also, I'm also canceling.
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No, I think it's pretty clear in my opinion that this comes down to one person, Putin not
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You're telling me that if Putin agreed to show up, Trump would move everything in his
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schedule to get to, I think, Istanbul in this kitchen.
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Because clearly, he's not willing to end this war.
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Because I think Putin is, you can have five different bosses and have to negotiate with
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You don't negotiate with each one the same exact way as you negotiated with the other
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If there's anybody that knows this, guess who this is?
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I guarantee he already is thinking about what ways to do.
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His request is to some sort of a guarantee that they're not going to be going into NATO.
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And also, I'm not sure if he is convinced that Zelensky is not going to use that moment to
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And if Zelensky is going to act hardcore on the camera the way he did with Trump to go
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back and show his people strength, yeah, I don't.
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Have you ever seen him speaking in a very animated way?
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As a matter of fact, go to the one that says 1.8 million, Rob.
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Have you ever seen him in a room forcing the business owner to sign?
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You ever seen him force, it says, take the pen and sign?
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And go closer to, I think it's like midway, where he forces the guy to sign.
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And the business owner is like, what are you talking about?
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Deripaska, sign an undertaking to restart factories.
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There was something he was doing that was not good for the employees, and he was taking
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There was some sort of an abuse that was going on where he was kind of putting him in his
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Make sure the other person understands the level of respect he wants from you if you're
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And to me, Zelensky hasn't shown that he's capable of doing that.
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I think he trusts Trump because he sees Trump as an equal.
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I think he sees Zelensky as a way over his head type of guy.
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And I think that's the reason why he doesn't want to go there.
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If you have the private conversations together, again, guys, this is pure speculation in your
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I can't even say that to you that, hey, if he acts like that, I almost think Trump needs
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to be proactive to tell him, hey, if he acts like that, I'm going to put him in his place.
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And he needs to get that reassurance that Zelensky doesn't do a photo op bullshit that
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he did last time when he was in the White House.
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And that message would come from me if I'm Trump.
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And I'm going to call Zelensky and I'm going to say, listen, let me tell you what's going
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I swear to God, if you try to make it into a spectacle, you're not going to like what I'm
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But if you're going to be respectful and you want your people to live and no more
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Don't use this as a photo op the way you did in the White House.
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Then he needs to call Putin to say, I had the call with Zelensky.
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Let's come at the table together and let's figure out a way to do this.
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I think that'll make the president, that'll make President Putin more open to the eyes.
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I think if you're looking, if you're talking about bosses and you know, Trump is daddy,
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Zelensky is the weird sort of coked out stepson.
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And you're looking at Putin, who's an absolute boss.
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I want to be very clear about that to all the Putin fanatics out there.
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He's not our ally, but that doesn't mean you can't respect the guy.
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So, you know, you look at, Rob, I sent you something.
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You look at the video that we just did of Putin, and then you look at this video of Zelensky.
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You got junk in the trunk right there, Zelensky.
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So, I totally understand why Putin is looking at Zelensky.
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I'm like, this is who you want me to respect and negotiate?
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It's negotiating with Trump and the United States.
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The entire world, the democratic Western world, is against Russia.
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And Russia's just throwing up their middle fingers, saying, we're not coming to the table.
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So, you know, they're going to basically have little bro Zelensky show up.
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And I fully agree with you what you're saying, PBD, is that this better not be a photo-op situation.
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If I leave Moscow and show up, it's to get stuff done, not for some photo-op situation, right?
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I mean, Tom, did you have any thoughts on this or not?
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Putin is all about you kept moving NATO toward me.
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He says, if you want to stop this thing, Crimea is mine.
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The Russian-speaking area, the occupation, Dornbus and other things, those are Russians.
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Because the neocons want to stay at war with Russia.
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And there's other things going on with, you know, on the corruption scoreboard.
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Ukraine was listed five years ago as the most corrupt country in Europe.
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In terms of everything from trade deals to industry kickbacks.
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And so now you've got the two most corrupt guys going together.
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But if that happens tomorrow, then you have this.
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And Zelensky, I just don't think, when they have peace, what happens to Zelensky the next election?
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And he doesn't care how many people in his own country are dying.
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And he would rather have peace talks in Colombia.
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So you think there's a part of Zelensky that actually doesn't want to stop the war and just wants to stay in power?
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And he's got alignment with the military-industrial complex of the West, who love it that their own governments print money.
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If it is state of mind, then that is the worst thing that I've ever heard.
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I'm just saying, if he actually wants to keep the war going so he can stay in power, that is the definition of a piece of shit.
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Adam, look at for the past four years what they did.
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Bro, he got – they did a montage of him at the Oscars, and they made this guy so big and so popular because of the money laundering situation that's happening over there.
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You don't think that he wants a Democrat – you know why he's hanging in there?
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Because he wants the next president of this country to be a Democrat because when's the last time he came here and begged for money and we gave him a dollar?
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I think – listen, when you meet with a killer, and I don't mean literally like killer –
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No, when you meet with a killer in business and killers sit down and – I'll never forget.
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I met with another guy in business and insurance that it was full-on war.
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I remember – and Adam, you even knew about this at the time.
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If you remember, we're at the Boca Raton one time where some of the incidents were taking place.
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He says, listen, man, let me tell you how I am.
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I'm the type of guy that if we got a problem, let's go hash it out together in the back.
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Now, another guy in business back in the days who was such a manipulative, deceptive game guy,
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he called – the last 50 phone calls he's called me.
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So, in this instance, if somebody was to broker a deal for us to meet and I'm supposed to have that guy be there, I don't believe him.
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Great speaker, very talented, but he's a very deceptive manipulator.
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Nothing that ever came out of his mouth he ever kept his word.
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The other guy who's a bigger boss, whatever came out of his mouth he kept his word.
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So, if he's like, I'm going to kill you, I believe you.
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Versus the other guy says, oh, man, if I had my way of investing $10 million with you, you know I would have.
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I don't believe any flattery that came from this guy.
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I take this other guy – so, to me, in this case, Zelensky is not a guy that he believes he will keep his word for anything.
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So, I think this is a real deal that Trump and Putin need to work out, and I think they will because both of them are tough guys.
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But after the minerals deal being signed, Trump probably also made a promise to Zelensky that we don't know about that protects Zelensky.
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I don't know what that is that he thinks he's going to get for them.
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And then Putin may be like, why are you making a promise to him before talking to me?
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And that may be a problem because that one thing that Trump may be asking for Putin to discount for Zelensky, Putin's like, why are you negotiating on my behalf with Zelensky?
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Sometimes power players don't like it when another power player negotiates on their behalf without them confirming it.
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Now, this is very complex, you know, that I think 90% of this is the conversations that are behind closed doors that nobody in the world knows about except the people that are involved in politics.
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