Verdict with Ted Cruz - A Message to the Iranian People： You can Change the World Right NOW, plus WHY it Matters so much for the Safety of Americans

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00:00:05.560 Welcome.

00:00:06.180 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.060 We've got a lot to discuss on today's show,

00:00:11.380 including what is happening in Iran right now.

00:00:14.580 It is like a total blackout in that country

00:00:16.920 as the leadership is trying to hold on to control

00:00:19.860 by shutting the rest of the world out

00:00:21.820 to what they're doing on the ground,

00:00:23.380 and that is killing their own citizens.

00:00:25.700 We are living in times of extraordinary consequence.

00:00:28.220 Right now, as you noted, there are over a million people

00:00:30.820 rising up on the streets of Iran.

00:00:32.900 The Iranian regime is teetering.

00:00:35.160 It is a very real possibility.

00:00:36.940 We will see the Iranian Ayatollah, the Mullahs, 0.99

00:00:40.460 see that regime fall, see them collapse.

00:00:43.520 That could happen this month.

00:00:45.320 It could happen this week.

00:00:46.760 It could happen in the next 24 hours.

00:00:49.340 It is that potentially imminent.

00:00:51.680 If that occurs, it would be utterly transformational

00:00:54.520 for the people of Iran,

00:00:55.680 utterly transformational for the Middle East,

00:00:58.220 and utterly transformational

00:00:59.640 for U.S. national security interests.

00:01:02.180 We're going to break it all down, what to expect.

00:01:04.280 Of course, this is happening in the broader context

00:01:07.400 where the United States, just less than two weeks ago,

00:01:11.700 has arrested Nicolas Maduro, the dictator of Venezuela.

00:01:15.340 That is having a profound and, I think,

00:01:17.740 very positive effect in the Western Hemisphere.

00:01:20.420 These are historic times.

00:01:22.240 These are times of consequence,

00:01:23.880 and we're going to help you think through

00:01:26.100 what the United States' response to all of this should be,

00:01:29.740 what it means for you, what it means for America,

00:01:32.040 what it means for your kids.

00:01:33.900 Yeah, we've got a lot to talk about with that as well.

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00:02:53.180 So let's paint the picture

00:02:54.960 as we're recording this now.

00:02:57.180 The leadership in Iran has made it clear,

00:03:00.060 Senator,

00:03:00.680 they feel like they're losing control.

00:03:02.520 They've shut off the internet.

00:03:04.200 They've shut off phones.

00:03:05.660 They've shut down much of the TV

00:03:08.480 and the outside world that's been in that country,

00:03:11.120 and they're trying to black out what they're doing,

00:03:13.440 which is now they're killing their own citizens.

00:03:16.180 Well, they are,

00:03:17.260 and this often happens at the end of tyrannical regimes,

00:03:20.600 which is they stay in force by military force,

00:03:24.280 and in their gasping breaths,

00:03:26.320 they use that military force

00:03:27.960 to try to snuff out the opposition.

00:03:31.420 You know, I got to say,

00:03:32.580 if you go back to 1979,

00:03:35.880 1979 is when the Islamic Revolution happened in Iran.

00:03:40.740 So Jimmy Carter was president.

00:03:42.400 Jimmy Carter was a weak and ineffectual president.

00:03:45.360 He really,

00:03:45.800 if you look at Jimmy Carter's foreign policy,

00:03:48.060 he set the model for what Barack Obama imitated,

00:03:51.560 and then what Joe Biden imitated.

00:03:53.200 Jimmy Carter showed what happens to the world

00:03:56.100 when the American president

00:03:57.440 will not stand up for America,

00:03:59.240 when the American president

00:04:00.320 will not stand up for our allies,

00:04:02.060 when the American president is weak and dithering,

00:04:05.600 and to cut to the chase,

00:04:07.140 what happens is the bad guys get more aggressive,

00:04:10.040 and they end up becoming stronger,

00:04:14.340 and American lives are lost.

00:04:16.280 During the Islamic Revolution,

00:04:19.420 the Islamists took over the nation. 1.00

00:04:22.020 They toppled the Shah of Iran.

00:04:23.660 The Shah of Iran was a ruler who had been cruel,

00:04:26.900 who had been despotic,

00:04:28.080 but also was allied with the United States.

00:04:31.360 When the Islamists took over Iran, 0.98

00:04:34.300 they toppled the Shah.

00:04:35.520 They also captured the American embassy there.

00:04:37.900 They captured the American embassy,

00:04:39.120 and they took the American staff

00:04:42.160 in the embassy hostage.

00:04:44.240 Those hostages,

00:04:45.400 that happened in 1979,

00:04:49.040 those hostages would remain hostages

00:04:51.320 for 444 days.

00:04:54.220 And it was during that time,

00:04:58.540 Jimmy Carter did order a rescue mission,

00:05:02.180 and tragically,

00:05:03.320 that rescue mission,

00:05:04.440 two helicopters crashed into each other

00:05:06.300 in the desert.

00:05:07.320 There was no opposing fire.

00:05:09.480 And it became,

00:05:11.860 I actually think,

00:05:12.820 that the incident that most encapsulated

00:05:15.420 the weakness of the Jimmy Carter presidency,

00:05:18.020 it played a major part

00:05:19.280 in Ronald Reagan's being elected in 1980.

00:05:22.740 And then I do not think

00:05:23.820 this was an accident at all.

00:05:25.920 Iran released the American hostages.

00:05:28.220 Do you know what day they released him?

00:05:29.580 The day that Ronald Reagan was sworn in.

00:05:31.460 It was literally moments after Reagan

00:05:35.500 put his hand on the Bible,

00:05:36.960 raised his hand,

00:05:37.780 and took the oath of office,

00:05:39.300 Iran released the hostages.

00:05:41.020 And I'll tell you,

00:05:41.580 I believe the reason they did

00:05:43.380 is they understood that with Reagan,

00:05:46.060 a new sheriff was in town.

00:05:47.520 And we were not going to have a president

00:05:49.200 who would allow them

00:05:50.460 to keep American hostages.

00:05:51.880 They were going to face

00:05:52.620 the full wrath of the United States

00:05:54.320 if they did not release those hostages.

00:05:57.400 Fast forward,

00:05:58.300 I think there's a very similar dynamic playing

00:06:00.480 when we went from Joe Biden to Donald Trump.

00:06:03.960 Under Joe Biden,

00:06:05.220 American foreign policy,

00:06:06.560 like Jimmy Carter,

00:06:07.480 was weak, it was inept,

00:06:08.860 and it encouraged the bad guys.

00:06:11.240 But one of the things to understand, Ben,

00:06:14.240 between 1979 and today,

00:06:16.600 Iran's influence has grown dramatically.

00:06:20.480 Iran, the leaders of Iran,

00:06:22.860 the so-called supreme leader,

00:06:24.200 I don't call him that.

00:06:25.000 He's an Ayatollah. 0.98

00:06:25.740 He calls himself the supreme leader,

00:06:27.240 but we're seeing just how ineffective

00:06:29.060 and weak he is right now.

00:06:30.940 The Ayatollah and the mullahs, 0.98

00:06:33.420 the religious clerics who run Iran,

00:06:36.140 they have grown in power immensely

00:06:38.780 and understand they hate America.

00:06:42.020 The Ayatollah routinely will lead mobs 0.99

00:06:44.780 in chanting death to Israel

00:06:46.460 and death to America. 0.81

00:06:48.420 And by the way,

00:06:48.980 for all the folks online who say,

00:06:51.700 oh, Iran is all about Israel, 1.00

00:06:53.880 understand this also.

00:06:55.740 The Ayatollah calls Israel 0.98

00:06:57.680 the little Satan.

00:06:59.600 He calls America the great Satan.

00:07:03.260 And at the end of the day,

00:07:04.580 the targets of the Ayatollah's murder

00:07:07.520 and hate are us.

00:07:11.140 It is the United States of America.

00:07:12.980 The reason the Ayatollah 0.94

00:07:14.660 had a nuclear program

00:07:16.100 is they wanted to develop nuclear weapons

00:07:18.040 to be able to use them

00:07:19.560 against the great Satan.

00:07:21.360 What has Iran done 0.97

00:07:23.280 for the last several decades?

00:07:24.720 They have funded radical Islamic terrorism 0.90

00:07:26.760 all over the world.

00:07:28.100 Hamas, which carried out October 7th.

00:07:31.020 Do you know what percent

00:07:31.780 of Hamas's budget comes from Iran?

00:07:33.980 I would assume 80 plus percent.

00:07:36.680 More than 90 percent.

00:07:38.100 How about Hezbollah?

00:07:39.100 Hezbollah, different terrorist group

00:07:40.800 in the north.

00:07:42.500 Do you know what percentage

00:07:43.500 of Hezbollah's budget comes from Iran?

00:07:46.360 I'm going to say it's even more than 90

00:07:47.760 based on what you just told me.

00:07:49.380 It is north of 90 as well.

00:07:52.220 Iran, in a very real sense,

00:07:54.120 funded October 7th.

00:07:55.580 By the way, Joe Biden,

00:07:56.900 the Democrats,

00:07:57.700 flowed over $100 million

00:07:59.900 to the Ayatollah and Iran.

00:08:03.260 So the Democrat weakness,

00:08:04.500 in a very real sense,

00:08:05.900 funded October 7th.

00:08:07.320 By the way, the Ayatollah also

00:08:09.320 has hired hitmen

00:08:11.620 trying to murder President Trump.

00:08:14.700 They are not our friends.

00:08:15.700 By the way, that's not like a far,

00:08:17.540 that's not like some

00:08:18.260 like random thing on the internet.

00:08:19.920 That is a fact.

00:08:21.160 It is an undisputed fact.

00:08:22.860 And by the way,

00:08:23.620 we are prosecuting hitmen

00:08:25.480 that have been arrested

00:08:26.340 in connection with that plot.

00:08:29.280 And Iran bragged about it. 0.99

00:08:31.040 The IRGC actually put out

00:08:32.760 an animated video

00:08:34.160 detailing they're using a drone

00:08:36.740 to go to Mar-a-Lago

00:08:37.940 and murder Donald Trump

00:08:39.440 on the golf course.

00:08:40.400 Like, they're not hiding from this.

00:08:43.100 They openly embrace it.

00:08:45.080 By the way,

00:08:45.580 can we just remind people

00:08:46.540 of one other thing about Iran

00:08:47.560 just so you understand

00:08:48.300 how much they hit America?

00:08:49.600 They are responsible

00:08:50.940 for a significant number

00:08:52.780 of American casualties.

00:08:54.640 Yes.

00:08:55.040 In Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:08:56.840 They gave safe haven

00:08:58.040 to the terrorists

00:08:58.740 when they would come in and out

00:09:00.340 to attack American soldiers.

00:09:02.460 They gave them

00:09:03.500 what they needed

00:09:04.640 for those roadside bombs.

00:09:06.520 Actually,

00:09:06.940 a lot of them

00:09:07.380 were made in Iran.

00:09:08.480 Iran and they allowed 0.99

00:09:10.180 them safe passage

00:09:11.120 even coming through Syria,

00:09:12.460 Iran, back and forth.

00:09:13.740 Like, that is all

00:09:14.380 well documented.

00:09:15.600 If you think Iran

00:09:16.540 wasn't at war

00:09:17.200 with the United States of America

00:09:18.120 when we were in Iraq

00:09:18.880 and Afghanistan,

00:09:19.640 you'd have to live

00:09:20.520 under a rock.

00:09:21.560 And I think that's

00:09:22.140 an important point

00:09:22.780 that people need to realize

00:09:23.640 how much they're willing

00:09:24.760 to do to kill

00:09:25.720 American soldiers.

00:09:26.760 And they did a lot

00:09:27.640 and they killed

00:09:28.160 a lot of Americans.

00:09:29.360 Yeah, Iran is responsible. 1.00

00:09:31.180 The IRGC is responsible

00:09:32.780 for a minimum

00:09:33.560 of 593 murders

00:09:36.320 of American servicemen

00:09:37.540 and women. 0.98

00:09:38.400 The IEDs, 0.86

00:09:39.300 they manufactured

00:09:40.080 many of the IEDs

00:09:41.440 that in Iraq

00:09:42.020 were used against

00:09:42.740 our servicemen and women.

00:09:44.240 If you have friends

00:09:45.340 that served in combat

00:09:46.680 in Iraq,

00:09:47.320 if you know people

00:09:48.120 that lost limbs to IEDs,

00:09:49.980 that lost legs,

00:09:50.820 that lost arms,

00:09:51.600 that lost eyes,

00:09:53.100 the odds are overwhelming

00:09:55.240 that the IED

00:09:56.600 they encountered

00:09:57.460 was manufactured

00:09:59.020 in Iran.

00:10:00.360 Iran was providing 0.92

00:10:01.660 much of that material.

00:10:03.000 Many of the drones,

00:10:04.440 many of the drones

00:10:05.100 used against American forces

00:10:06.520 are manufactured in Iran.

00:10:07.800 Many of the drones

00:10:08.700 being used,

00:10:09.500 by the way,

00:10:10.100 also by Russia

00:10:11.880 against the Ukrainian forces

00:10:13.460 in Ukraine

00:10:13.980 are manufactured in Iran.

00:10:15.600 It's one of the crazy things

00:10:17.160 the Biden administration

00:10:18.140 claimed that

00:10:19.240 their number one priority

00:10:20.720 was for Ukraine

00:10:21.880 to win the Ukraine war

00:10:23.400 and yet they were flooding

00:10:24.540 billions of dollars

00:10:25.840 to Iran

00:10:26.480 and Iran was using

00:10:27.380 that money

00:10:27.780 to build drones

00:10:28.620 and the drones

00:10:29.560 were being used

00:10:30.320 by the Russian army

00:10:31.680 to murder

00:10:32.260 Ukrainian soldiers.

00:10:33.360 It was asinine.

00:10:34.880 But what is happening

00:10:36.360 right now?

00:10:37.820 Right now as we speak,

00:10:39.220 more than one million

00:10:40.060 Iranians are rising up

00:10:41.420 in every major city

00:10:42.320 across Iran.

00:10:43.400 They are fighting

00:10:44.360 against the regime.

00:10:46.040 They have had it.

00:10:47.260 We are seeing protests.

00:10:48.460 We're seeing images

00:10:49.320 of government buildings

00:10:51.000 burning.

00:10:51.620 We saw in London

00:10:53.200 an incredible protester

00:10:55.400 scale the outside

00:10:56.620 of the Iranian embassy,

00:10:58.240 climb up the outside.

00:10:59.160 He looked like Spider-Man.

00:11:00.040 So cool, by the way.

00:11:01.140 I want people to understand

00:11:02.420 if you didn't see this,

00:11:03.660 watch the video.

00:11:05.600 Watch the video.

00:11:06.280 It looked like a spider monkey

00:11:07.960 climbing the side

00:11:09.240 of the Iranian embassy

00:11:10.920 and people were running

00:11:12.260 after him.

00:11:12.680 He climbed up,

00:11:13.380 got up there,

00:11:13.940 yanked,

00:11:14.400 pulled back the Iranian flag

00:11:16.100 and put up what they're saying

00:11:17.740 is the new freedom flag

00:11:18.660 of Iran.

00:11:19.280 It was unbelievable

00:11:20.420 to see people doing that.

00:11:21.840 Something you would have

00:11:22.280 never imagined

00:11:23.020 even weeks ago.

00:11:24.400 Yeah, look,

00:11:24.740 it was incredible.

00:11:25.480 He easily could have been shot.

00:11:26.880 He was not.

00:11:28.180 It's those acts of bravery

00:11:29.740 that can inspire others.

00:11:31.560 And I want to take

00:11:33.000 an opportunity right now.

00:11:34.280 I want to speak directly

00:11:35.920 to the people of Iran.

00:11:38.100 And I want to say

00:11:39.220 now is your moment.

00:11:40.880 If you are standing up

00:11:42.260 right now,

00:11:42.680 if you're going out

00:11:43.420 in the street,

00:11:43.860 if you are standing

00:11:44.580 against the Ayatollah,

00:11:45.600 if you are standing

00:11:46.240 with the Mullahs,

00:11:47.320 know that America

00:11:48.740 is with you.

00:11:49.520 Know that the American

00:11:50.220 people are with you.

00:11:51.180 Know that you are

00:11:52.140 in my prayers

00:11:52.960 and know that Joe Biden

00:11:55.300 is not in the White House

00:11:56.120 anymore.

00:11:56.900 Barack Obama

00:11:57.600 is not in the White House

00:11:58.660 anymore.

00:11:59.320 Donald J. Trump

00:12:00.260 is in the White House.

00:12:01.560 And if you topple

00:12:03.000 this cruel,

00:12:04.800 vicious,

00:12:05.540 theocratic,

00:12:06.540 homicidal,

00:12:07.540 genocidal regime, 0.93

00:12:08.720 you will bring freedom

00:12:11.440 to Iran

00:12:12.220 and you will make

00:12:14.260 major steps

00:12:15.520 to bringing peace

00:12:16.440 to the Middle East.

00:12:17.400 And listen,

00:12:18.340 the Iranian people

00:12:19.340 and the American people

00:12:20.400 have decades

00:12:21.580 of history

00:12:22.340 of being friends,

00:12:23.420 of engaging

00:12:24.180 and peaceful commerce

00:12:25.500 and understand

00:12:26.940 that America's 0.73

00:12:27.900 foreign policy dispute

00:12:28.940 is not with the people

00:12:29.780 of Iran.

00:12:30.820 It is instead

00:12:31.760 with the tyrants

00:12:33.480 who are torturing

00:12:35.440 and murdering

00:12:36.680 and oppressing Iran 0.80

00:12:37.880 and who are exporting

00:12:39.140 terror across the globe

00:12:40.580 and they want

00:12:41.440 to murder Americans 0.98

00:12:42.320 just like they want

00:12:43.200 to murder Iranians. 0.99

00:12:44.460 And so,

00:12:45.140 President Trump

00:12:46.500 has publicly called

00:12:47.960 on you

00:12:49.100 to stand up

00:12:49.960 for freedom.

00:12:50.540 and, you know,

00:12:52.320 I want to say

00:12:52.780 something amazing

00:12:53.540 which is to everyone

00:12:55.760 in the United States

00:12:56.780 who's listening

00:12:57.280 to this podcast,

00:12:58.080 who's watching

00:12:58.500 this podcast,

00:12:59.320 you may think,

00:13:00.340 well, why is Ted

00:13:01.380 talking directly

00:13:02.360 to the people of Iran?

00:13:03.840 And one of the reasons

00:13:05.740 we do this podcast

00:13:06.680 is it's an opportunity

00:13:08.080 to communicate

00:13:08.840 and so,

00:13:10.180 the Verdict podcast,

00:13:11.340 we have roughly

00:13:12.340 a million unique listeners

00:13:13.900 to the podcast

00:13:14.660 all across the country.

00:13:16.760 Yeah.

00:13:16.940 We have several million more

00:13:18.600 who listen on radio.

00:13:20.520 We're on now

00:13:21.220 242 radio stations

00:13:23.000 all over the country

00:13:23.800 so we're reaching

00:13:24.520 several million people

00:13:25.860 each and every week.

00:13:27.600 But here's an amazing thing,

00:13:29.180 the people we reach,

00:13:30.100 the vast majority,

00:13:31.060 of course,

00:13:31.400 are Americans.

00:13:32.440 But what is amazing

00:13:33.480 is we have people

00:13:34.320 all over the world

00:13:35.220 listening to this podcast

00:13:37.020 and yesterday,

00:13:38.060 Ben,

00:13:38.220 you were looking

00:13:38.680 at the downloads

00:13:39.580 and Iran,

00:13:40.880 the people in Iran

00:13:42.160 had surged

00:13:43.180 to they were

00:13:43.960 in the top 20 countries

00:13:47.000 downloading

00:13:47.820 the Verdict podcast

00:13:48.840 and that is

00:13:49.740 in the face

00:13:50.840 of having internet

00:13:51.560 shut down

00:13:52.200 in the face

00:13:52.800 of having

00:13:53.260 the Iranian regime

00:13:54.760 try to black out.

00:13:56.520 Elon Link

00:13:57.220 has put Starlink

00:13:58.240 up for free

00:13:59.100 for the people of Iran

00:14:00.280 and so this podcast,

00:14:01.900 there are people

00:14:02.440 who are right now

00:14:03.160 protesting

00:14:03.820 and by the way,

00:14:05.260 protesting is not

00:14:06.360 like you're some

00:14:07.200 leftist protesting

00:14:08.100 at Columbia University.

00:14:10.620 Protesting is taking

00:14:11.560 your life

00:14:12.160 in your own hands

00:14:13.740 because the regime

00:14:14.760 is murdering protesters

00:14:16.640 as we speak

00:14:17.520 and so when I take

00:14:19.040 the opportunity

00:14:19.620 to speak to the people

00:14:20.980 of Iran,

00:14:21.580 I'm doing so

00:14:22.420 because this is a voice

00:14:23.600 that is being heard

00:14:24.760 and there are very few

00:14:26.700 things on planet Earth

00:14:27.940 that could move

00:14:29.520 the entire world

00:14:30.720 security situation

00:14:31.980 in a positive direction

00:14:33.700 more consequential

00:14:35.740 than seeing

00:14:36.620 the Ayatollah

00:14:37.720 and this regime fall.

00:14:38.980 You know,

00:14:39.240 it's interesting to see

00:14:40.040 the emotion

00:14:40.920 and there's two stories

00:14:41.840 that connect here.

00:14:42.660 I have actually

00:14:43.780 a good friend

00:14:44.740 whose family fled

00:14:47.080 after the Chauvin

00:14:48.480 in the fall in 1979.

00:14:50.580 They've never gone back

00:14:52.040 to go see

00:14:53.000 some of their family members.

00:14:54.780 They have limited communication

00:14:56.800 depending on,

00:14:57.580 you know,

00:14:57.860 what's going on

00:14:58.660 and the blackouts

00:14:59.640 and things that happen

00:15:00.500 but I did,

00:15:01.800 I was able to talk to them

00:15:02.860 over the weekend

00:15:03.560 and just the,

00:15:05.020 the excitement

00:15:06.440 at the possibility

00:15:07.700 of two things.

00:15:08.920 One,

00:15:09.320 getting to actually

00:15:10.200 see their family members again

00:15:11.800 who they've not been able

00:15:12.660 to see

00:15:13.100 is a lot kind of like

00:15:15.020 you here in Venezuela

00:15:15.820 the same kind of thing

00:15:16.700 that we saw with Cuba

00:15:17.620 after,

00:15:18.820 after the Castro regime there

00:15:20.340 and there seems to be

00:15:21.900 this real moment

00:15:23.160 where they believe

00:15:23.880 this could be

00:15:24.880 an opportunity

00:15:25.640 for them to be able

00:15:27.060 to go back

00:15:27.720 and to see their family members

00:15:29.020 and to watch this fall happen

00:15:30.740 and the bravery too

00:15:32.320 like the women today 1.00

00:15:33.400 and the videos

00:15:33.880 that were coming out

00:15:34.580 were incredible

00:15:35.280 that were showing the women

00:15:37.000 pulling off their coverings

00:15:38.680 and burning them

00:15:39.640 in the streets

00:15:40.220 and multiple cities

00:15:41.580 that are considered

00:15:43.040 strongholds

00:15:44.060 for the religious leadership

00:15:45.320 that has had a grip

00:15:46.800 on that country

00:15:47.460 since 1979

00:15:48.560 and they're doing it

00:15:50.080 in the face.

00:15:50.600 Now,

00:15:50.760 if this doesn't happen

00:15:51.520 these videos will come back

00:15:52.860 to haunt them.

00:15:53.440 They will go and find them.

00:15:55.000 They know they're risking

00:15:56.020 their lives.

00:15:57.000 The people that are out there

00:15:58.280 in the streets

00:15:58.780 they know that this is being recorded

00:16:00.340 and if it doesn't go well

00:16:01.500 they are risking their lives

00:16:03.060 being put into jail

00:16:04.400 or being one of the

00:16:05.380 disappeared ones

00:16:06.180 as they are described.

00:16:07.260 That is something for me

00:16:08.380 that is just incredible

00:16:09.320 to see the risk

00:16:10.680 that people are willing

00:16:11.660 to take.

00:16:12.740 Look,

00:16:13.440 there's one image

00:16:14.200 that is online

00:16:15.040 of a young Iranian woman

00:16:16.440 who is lighting her cigarette

00:16:18.640 and she's lighting

00:16:20.200 her cigarette

00:16:20.800 by lighting on fire

00:16:22.160 a picture of the Ayatollah

00:16:23.780 and using the burning picture

00:16:25.740 of the Ayatollah

00:16:26.560 to light her cigarette.

00:16:28.240 And I got to say

00:16:29.260 that image

00:16:29.880 it reminds me

00:16:31.480 of the image

00:16:33.000 of the man

00:16:34.180 standing in front

00:16:35.020 of the tank

00:16:35.500 in Tiananmen Square.

00:16:36.920 It's that kind of

00:16:38.140 bold courage

00:16:40.420 and life-risking courage.

00:16:42.960 That image,

00:16:43.720 you're right,

00:16:44.240 if the Ayatollah

00:16:45.400 stays in power

00:16:46.380 the odds are overwhelming

00:16:48.000 the mullahs

00:16:48.660 will track her down

00:16:49.800 and torture her 0.97

00:16:50.540 and kill her. 0.94

00:16:51.220 She knows that.

00:16:52.020 She knows exactly

00:16:52.860 what she's doing.

00:16:54.880 But it is

00:16:56.120 women and men

00:16:57.340 across Iran

00:16:58.060 are watching that

00:16:59.080 and being inspired by it.

00:17:01.220 And look,

00:17:01.560 I got to say

00:17:02.080 I have a lot of friends

00:17:03.660 in the Iranian-American community

00:17:05.380 in the United States,

00:17:06.280 a lot of the Persian community

00:17:08.280 that fled,

00:17:09.460 many of them fled

00:17:10.320 starting in 1979

00:17:11.560 when the Islamic Revolution happened.

00:17:14.460 You know,

00:17:14.720 prior to 1979,

00:17:17.080 Iran was not 1.00

00:17:18.260 a theocratic state.

00:17:19.520 It was a secular state.

00:17:21.280 It had a booming

00:17:22.100 commercial sector.

00:17:23.580 It has vast oil reserves.

00:17:26.620 It had a very,

00:17:29.080 very educated population.

00:17:30.960 And it was very successful.

00:17:33.660 And the Islamists, 0.99

00:17:36.000 they're Luddites.

00:17:37.120 They're going back

00:17:37.720 to the 5th century.

00:17:39.360 And their approach

00:17:40.740 is to stay in power,

00:17:42.340 number one,

00:17:42.860 by stifling women 1.00

00:17:43.780 throughout the country,

00:17:44.580 but number two,

00:17:45.500 by just brutal repression.

00:17:47.560 And I will say,

00:17:49.020 when I meet

00:17:50.000 with Persian Americans

00:17:51.260 and I hear their stories,

00:17:53.120 one of the reasons

00:17:53.840 that their stories

00:17:55.880 moved me so much

00:17:57.000 is, as you know,

00:17:57.920 my family was imprisoned

00:18:00.000 and tortured in Cuba.

00:18:01.900 Yeah.

00:18:02.120 My father was imprisoned

00:18:03.800 and tortured by Batista.

00:18:05.240 My tia Sonia,

00:18:07.040 my father's younger sister,

00:18:08.840 was imprisoned

00:18:09.400 and tortured by Castro.

00:18:10.840 And so,

00:18:11.920 when I,

00:18:13.060 I've sat down

00:18:14.260 and looked at books

00:18:17.000 that are compiled

00:18:17.980 of Iranians

00:18:20.240 who were tortured,

00:18:21.120 who had horrific torture,

00:18:22.400 had, you know,

00:18:23.180 nails driven 0.97

00:18:24.080 through their eyes,

00:18:24.960 had clothes irons,

00:18:27.420 just burned them

00:18:28.520 horrifically,

00:18:29.820 I mean,

00:18:30.280 just horrible,

00:18:31.680 horrible tortures.

00:18:33.140 And there's something powerful.

00:18:34.800 It's one of the things

00:18:35.640 in the wake of communism,

00:18:37.280 there is a value

00:18:38.680 to cataloging

00:18:39.920 the horrors.

00:18:41.440 You look at Solzhenitsyn's

00:18:43.140 Gulag Archipelago,

00:18:44.900 just cataloging

00:18:46.740 the oppression

00:18:47.940 of a tyrannical regime

00:18:49.340 is part of how

00:18:50.100 you tear it down.

00:18:52.020 Amen.

00:18:52.100 And what is happening

00:18:53.780 in Iran,

00:18:55.420 look,

00:18:55.840 to understand

00:18:56.460 why this is so

00:18:57.260 transformational,

00:18:58.020 I actually think

00:18:58.640 the seeds

00:18:59.120 for what's happening

00:18:59.880 now

00:19:00.700 were laid

00:19:02.340 several months ago

00:19:03.280 and they were laid

00:19:04.920 during the 12-day war.

00:19:06.680 And this is something

00:19:07.260 you and I talked about

00:19:08.260 on Verdict at the time,

00:19:09.720 which is

00:19:10.760 there are real-world

00:19:11.920 consequences

00:19:12.680 to losing a war.

00:19:15.640 You know,

00:19:15.820 not everything in life

00:19:17.140 is a communications endeavor.

00:19:18.740 Not everything

00:19:19.260 is political.

00:19:20.640 There are just

00:19:21.380 real consequences.

00:19:22.640 And what happened

00:19:23.380 in the 12-day war

00:19:24.280 is, number one,

00:19:25.880 Iran completely 0.98

00:19:26.900 and totally lost.

00:19:28.060 There was no ambiguity.

00:19:29.720 They were just defeated.

00:19:31.300 They fought a war.

00:19:32.520 They lost a war.

00:19:33.920 Now,

00:19:34.320 even worse,

00:19:35.700 if you're an Islamist dictator, 0.74

00:19:37.280 if there's anything

00:19:38.060 on earth worse

00:19:38.880 than losing a war,

00:19:40.640 it is losing a war

00:19:41.800 to Israel.

00:19:43.480 Yeah.

00:19:43.660 And Israel 0.51

00:19:45.020 systematically

00:19:46.420 decapitated

00:19:47.660 the Iranian military.

00:19:49.220 They took out

00:19:49.740 all their air defenses.

00:19:50.920 They took out

00:19:51.600 all their senior military leaders.

00:19:53.080 They took out

00:19:53.500 the senior leaders

00:19:54.300 of the IRGC.

00:19:55.340 They took out

00:19:55.720 their nuclear scientists.

00:19:57.620 If you remember

00:19:58.680 the IRGC,

00:19:59.820 day after day,

00:20:01.240 they would appoint

00:20:01.800 someone new to lead it.

00:20:03.560 And within 24 hours...

00:20:04.760 And day after day,

00:20:04.780 they kept getting taken out.

00:20:06.240 Within 24 hours,

00:20:07.620 they'd be taken out.

00:20:08.520 I've joked

00:20:09.280 by the fifth or sixth day,

00:20:11.000 if the Ayatollah

00:20:11.820 comes to you and says,

00:20:13.140 hey, Ben,

00:20:13.840 you want to be head

00:20:14.340 of the IRGC?

00:20:15.260 You're looking around

00:20:15.820 going, no, no, no.

00:20:16.320 I think Bob

00:20:16.940 would be much better.

00:20:17.700 Go with Bob.

00:20:18.200 Go with Bob.

00:20:18.700 Yeah.

00:20:18.980 Go with Bob over there.

00:20:20.080 He's a great guy.

00:20:21.440 And why is that

00:20:22.520 so consequential?

00:20:24.340 Because tyrannies, 0.88

00:20:25.900 whether you're

00:20:26.380 the Soviet Union

00:20:27.300 or whether you're

00:20:28.420 communist China

00:20:29.200 or whether you're

00:20:30.440 North Korea or Venezuela

00:20:31.640 or whether you're Iran,

00:20:34.220 tyrannies exist 1.00

00:20:35.420 in large part

00:20:36.360 by conveying

00:20:37.140 the impression

00:20:37.820 that they are

00:20:38.600 unbeatable,

00:20:39.640 that resistance

00:20:40.380 is futile,

00:20:41.300 that it is hopeless.

00:20:43.920 You know,

00:20:44.820 you look at

00:20:46.320 Paradise Lost

00:20:47.680 and what are the words

00:20:49.200 above the gates of hell?

00:20:51.140 Abandon hope,

00:20:52.420 all ye who enter here.

00:20:54.400 That is,

00:20:55.760 if there were a motto,

00:20:57.820 a slogan

00:20:58.480 of tyrannical regimes,

00:21:00.020 that's what it would be.

00:21:01.600 Abandon hope,

00:21:02.800 all ye who enter here.

00:21:03.880 They stay in power

00:21:04.960 because,

00:21:06.380 look,

00:21:06.680 they're always

00:21:07.740 vastly outnumbered

00:21:08.800 by the people,

00:21:10.060 but they stay in power

00:21:11.240 because the people

00:21:11.920 say it's hopeless.

00:21:12.800 We can't defeat them.

00:21:14.200 And after losing

00:21:15.420 unambiguously,

00:21:17.420 decisively,

00:21:18.340 crushingly to Israel 0.84

00:21:19.740 in a way that you

00:21:20.620 couldn't spin,

00:21:21.320 you couldn't say,

00:21:21.840 no, no, no,

00:21:22.300 it was a victory for us.

00:21:23.820 Like,

00:21:24.000 they lost in every respect.

00:21:26.080 The people say,

00:21:27.180 wait a second,

00:21:28.680 these guys aren't

00:21:29.520 nearly as powerful

00:21:30.740 as they said they were.

00:21:32.340 And then the coup de grace

00:21:33.540 was President Trump

00:21:35.720 ordering B-2s

00:21:37.120 to fly from the middle

00:21:38.360 of the United States

00:21:39.340 all the way around the world

00:21:40.860 to drop bunker buster bombs

00:21:43.920 on Iran's nuclear facilities.

00:21:47.220 We dropped the equivalent

00:21:49.220 of one third

00:21:50.520 of a nuclear weapon

00:21:51.620 on those three nuclear facilities,

00:21:54.580 utterly destroyed them

00:21:55.780 and flew all the way

00:21:56.560 around the world

00:21:57.240 and came back home

00:21:58.200 with zero American casualties.

00:22:00.260 It was a flawlessly executed

00:22:02.440 military attack

00:22:04.180 and again,

00:22:06.100 it made clear

00:22:07.120 that if you're looking

00:22:07.960 at a contest

00:22:08.640 between Iran

00:22:09.740 and what he calls

00:22:11.820 the great Satan,

00:22:12.700 what the Ayatollah

00:22:13.360 calls the great Satan,

00:22:14.880 it is not a close contest

00:22:16.580 and I'll tell you

00:22:17.420 that is a major reason

00:22:18.740 I think the people

00:22:19.400 of Iran are rising up.

00:22:21.140 Canadian women

00:22:21.920 are looking for more,

00:22:23.240 more out of themselves,

00:22:24.300 their businesses,

00:22:25.240 their elected leaders

00:22:26.020 and the world are open.

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00:22:52.180 Senator,

00:22:52.800 you talk about inspiring.

00:22:54.620 I was actually speaking

00:22:56.140 with some people

00:22:56.620 this weekend.

00:22:57.100 You and I were both

00:22:57.720 at conservative events.

00:22:59.520 This was a topic

00:23:00.340 of conversation

00:23:01.140 and I had someone

00:23:02.380 walk up and they're like,

00:23:03.240 this is a hard subject

00:23:04.420 to explain to our kids

00:23:05.520 or grandkids.

00:23:06.140 What's your message?

00:23:06.900 And I said,

00:23:07.480 you're going to laugh,

00:23:08.500 but I'm a movie guy.

00:23:09.580 You love movies.

00:23:10.580 I said,

00:23:11.000 show your kids

00:23:12.120 if they're a little bit older,

00:23:13.040 Argo.

00:23:13.580 It will get you

00:23:14.580 to where this all happened

00:23:16.460 and the fall

00:23:17.880 and the Chauverin,

00:23:18.960 all of it

00:23:19.520 and go back

00:23:20.180 and watch that movie.

00:23:20.920 It's a great movie

00:23:21.820 and it'll catch you

00:23:23.140 kind of up to date

00:23:23.800 of where we were then

00:23:25.040 and how we got

00:23:25.900 to where we are now

00:23:26.800 in a sense

00:23:27.300 and it's a very easy way

00:23:28.920 to do that.

00:23:29.760 So if you're listening right now

00:23:30.660 and you've never watched Argo

00:23:31.620 or maybe you watched it

00:23:32.420 a long time ago,

00:23:33.140 it's a Ben Affleck movie.

00:23:33.980 It's a great movie

00:23:34.580 based on a true story

00:23:35.620 of us getting people out

00:23:36.620 that were in Canada's embassy there.

00:23:39.080 It's an awesome victory story

00:23:41.280 for me as I describe it,

00:23:42.960 but make sure you do it.

00:23:43.860 But they were also talking,

00:23:45.620 I was talking to a couple guys,

00:23:46.740 good friends of mine,

00:23:47.600 they're still in the military

00:23:48.340 and they said,

00:23:50.140 I wish President Trump

00:23:51.600 got more credit

00:23:53.220 for what he did

00:23:54.100 over the last couple days

00:23:55.600 going after ISIS

00:23:57.160 right next to Iran 0.99

00:23:59.100 and it was clearly

00:24:00.500 sending a message

00:24:01.640 to the people of Iran

00:24:03.120 that when we said

00:24:04.500 we have your back

00:24:05.480 if they start coming in

00:24:06.440 and killing you, 0.97

00:24:07.600 we mean it

00:24:08.860 and we are here

00:24:10.060 and that is when

00:24:11.340 they said within hours

00:24:12.440 you saw the explosion

00:24:13.440 of people going

00:24:14.120 to the streets

00:24:14.760 because it was

00:24:15.960 obviously the president

00:24:17.480 doing two things at once.

00:24:18.540 Once we were holding ISIS

00:24:19.640 accountable for killing

00:24:20.560 American soldiers

00:24:21.620 and that happened recently

00:24:23.480 but also I think

00:24:25.400 he was sending

00:24:26.540 a clear mental message

00:24:28.060 to the Iranian people

00:24:29.640 that we are here,

00:24:31.240 we are right next to you,

00:24:32.960 I mean it when I say

00:24:34.300 we are standing with you

00:24:35.380 and if they come to kill you,

00:24:37.060 we will help protect

00:24:38.720 and defend you.

00:24:39.860 That was a very important moment

00:24:41.560 I think as well

00:24:42.180 and again,

00:24:43.080 that was coming from

00:24:43.820 people in the military

00:24:44.440 saying that should be

00:24:45.580 something that should be

00:24:46.180 talked about,

00:24:46.720 the media is not covering it.

00:24:48.380 Look,

00:24:48.700 that is absolutely right

00:24:50.240 and it is peace

00:24:51.520 through strength

00:24:52.280 that when you have

00:24:53.400 a strong American president

00:24:54.840 our enemies are weaker.

00:24:56.680 I'll tell you,

00:24:57.000 President Trump put out

00:24:57.840 the following truth social.

00:25:00.300 Iran is looking at freedom, 0.80

00:25:02.940 freedom in all caps,

00:25:04.180 perhaps like never before.

00:25:07.060 The USA stands ready to help,

00:25:09.920 signed President Donald J. Trump

00:25:11.780 and you and my friend

00:25:13.580 Clay Travis,

00:25:14.280 he tweeted on top of that

00:25:15.360 and said Iran is the biggest story

00:25:16.880 in the world right now.

00:25:18.700 Nothing else is close.

00:25:21.280 This could be the modern day fall

00:25:23.380 of the Berlin Wall moment.

00:25:25.280 The Ayatollah is on the ropes

00:25:27.080 and I'll tell you,

00:25:28.080 look, Argo is great

00:25:28.760 to get some history

00:25:29.560 but the analogy I would use

00:25:31.440 is the collapse

00:25:32.040 of the Soviet Union

00:25:32.960 because Iran falling,

00:25:34.940 the Soviet Union

00:25:35.720 had a broader reach than Iran

00:25:37.120 but Iran is so toxic, 1.00

00:25:39.020 they literally fund

00:25:39.920 every enemy who hates America

00:25:41.480 and their body count

00:25:43.500 of Americans they have killed 0.79

00:25:44.920 has been massive.

00:25:45.900 They are like a poison

00:25:47.700 and I have to say

00:25:49.860 in the midst of that,

00:25:52.780 when we're looking at a moment

00:25:54.420 to see American national security

00:25:58.560 shift dramatically in our favor,

00:26:00.200 it is striking.

00:26:00.900 Right now, the Iranian regime,

00:26:02.520 it shut down the internet,

00:26:04.100 it has a TV blackout,

00:26:05.300 it's doing everything they can

00:26:06.520 to keep their citizenry in silence.

00:26:09.300 But do you know what they're airing

00:26:11.680 statewide on Iranian TV?

00:26:14.380 Yeah, it's sad

00:26:15.560 but it's Tucker Carlson.

00:26:17.720 They are literally airing

00:26:20.000 Tucker Carlson's podcast

00:26:22.080 in Persian.

00:26:23.920 So dubbed and translated

00:26:25.840 so that you can listen here.

00:26:26.960 I want you to listen to this one

00:26:28.280 story reporting on this.

00:26:30.420 So the Islamic regime right now 0.95

00:26:33.600 is literally broadcasting

00:26:35.320 Tucker Carlson interviews

00:26:37.280 in Persian

00:26:38.980 on their 24-hour news channel.

00:26:42.200 The country is in a state of chaos

00:26:44.260 and yet for some reason

00:26:45.440 the Islamic regime

00:26:46.700 is choosing to play

00:26:48.580 Tucker Carlson interviews

00:26:49.840 because this is like,

00:26:50.980 you know,

00:26:51.380 it's Islamist propaganda.

00:26:53.740 I'm just filming this right now

00:26:55.300 because if I didn't do this,

00:26:57.080 no one would believe,

00:26:58.020 this is literally

00:26:58.680 what's going on

00:27:00.100 in occupied Iran right now.

00:27:01.920 Ben, I want to say

00:27:02.940 something very serious.

00:27:03.860 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 Which is, listen,

00:27:05.660 Tucker and I have had

00:27:07.500 a serious dispute

00:27:09.560 for quite some time.

00:27:10.960 Yeah.

00:27:11.520 I went on his podcast,

00:27:13.120 he went after me,

00:27:14.000 he attacked me,

00:27:15.040 he has publicly said things

00:27:16.760 like there is no one

00:27:17.720 he hates more

00:27:18.540 than Christian Zionists 0.99

00:27:19.920 and he singled out

00:27:20.720 me and Mike Huckabee

00:27:21.720 as the two people

00:27:22.900 he hates worse,

00:27:24.020 I get,

00:27:24.540 the most on planet Earth.

00:27:26.660 We just had

00:27:27.520 the Turning Points

00:27:28.460 America Fest

00:27:29.940 where Ben Shapiro

00:27:30.820 stood up

00:27:31.460 and called out

00:27:32.500 many of the voices

00:27:33.860 who have been

00:27:35.100 spreading anti-Semitism

00:27:36.980 on the right,

00:27:37.920 including Tucker Carlson

00:27:39.180 and then the rest

00:27:40.260 of the Turning Point event

00:27:41.220 was a whole series

00:27:41.960 of people standing up

00:27:42.960 and blasting Ben Shapiro

00:27:44.340 and it's easy to say

00:27:46.400 there are lots of people

00:27:47.200 saying no division

00:27:48.320 on the right,

00:27:48.980 let's stop fighting.

00:27:50.380 Listen,

00:27:51.400 this is not

00:27:52.540 an episode

00:27:54.520 of Celebrity Family Feud.

00:27:56.720 This is not

00:27:57.700 one influencer

00:27:58.580 getting all upset

00:27:59.500 and yelling at the other

00:28:00.380 influencer and back and forth.

00:28:01.640 Who cares?

00:28:02.980 Yeah.

00:28:03.280 I want to speak

00:28:04.260 for a minute.

00:28:04.980 Listen,

00:28:05.260 I don't know why

00:28:06.140 Tucker has gone down

00:28:07.000 the road he has.

00:28:07.760 I wish he had not.

00:28:09.520 But Tucker has spent

00:28:10.980 most of his life,

00:28:12.120 I think,

00:28:12.660 being someone

00:28:13.260 who loves America

00:28:14.240 and at least saying

00:28:15.540 he loves America.

00:28:17.060 And I just want to say

00:28:18.700 in all seriousness,

00:28:20.000 Tucker,

00:28:21.280 what does it say

00:28:22.360 to you

00:28:22.860 that the Ayatollah Khamenei,

00:28:25.520 someone who unequivocally

00:28:26.820 hates America,

00:28:27.680 who has murdered Americans, 0.92

00:28:28.800 who tortures

00:28:29.560 and murders people, 0.80

00:28:31.360 views what you're saying

00:28:33.140 as the propaganda

00:28:34.720 he wants to use

00:28:36.280 to suppress his people 0.99

00:28:37.900 and to silence

00:28:38.880 a revolution.

00:28:40.020 I got to tell you,

00:28:41.000 if it were me,

00:28:42.200 I would be sick

00:28:43.420 to my stomach.

00:28:44.740 And the fact

00:28:45.780 that the Iranian people

00:28:46.920 are downloading verdict

00:28:48.220 and listening

00:28:48.640 to what we're saying

00:28:49.680 while the Ayatollah

00:28:50.860 is pumping out

00:28:51.560 Tucker's show,

00:28:52.280 look,

00:28:52.560 here's what I actually

00:28:53.400 hope will happen.

00:28:54.700 Listen,

00:28:55.040 I think what Tucker

00:28:55.700 has been spreading

00:28:56.400 has been really harmful,

00:28:57.580 but I am hoping

00:28:59.440 and praying

00:28:59.920 there'll be a moment

00:29:00.760 where he says,

00:29:02.120 you know,

00:29:02.560 dear God,

00:29:03.380 whatever I did wrong,

00:29:05.740 if the Ayatollah views

00:29:07.400 what I'm saying

00:29:08.700 as his message,

00:29:10.920 clearly we made

00:29:12.120 a mistake here,

00:29:13.040 let's change course.

00:29:14.400 I can't imagine

00:29:16.220 anything more

00:29:17.360 crushing.

00:29:18.400 I will say this

00:29:19.960 because I've known

00:29:20.720 Tucker for a long time.

00:29:21.780 We've done TV together

00:29:22.420 and I know you've seen

00:29:23.500 each other.

00:29:24.020 As have I,

00:29:24.660 I've known Tucker

00:29:25.160 20, 25 years.

00:29:26.300 At Charlie's funeral,

00:29:27.420 I just,

00:29:28.020 the part that sickens me

00:29:29.800 the most is when you

00:29:30.700 go down a road

00:29:32.180 because you're so

00:29:33.380 hell-bent on being right

00:29:34.520 and then the proof

00:29:36.500 that you're wrong

00:29:37.160 is that as they're

00:29:38.480 clinging to power,

00:29:39.660 they're like,

00:29:40.140 let's use the American

00:29:41.260 Tucker Carlson on TV

00:29:42.940 to maybe stop

00:29:44.700 this yearning

00:29:47.400 for freedom

00:29:48.100 in this country.

00:29:49.760 It was like

00:29:50.320 when I watched Tucker

00:29:51.120 in the grocery stores

00:29:51.940 after he interviewed

00:29:53.120 Vladimir Putin

00:29:53.940 and I was like,

00:29:54.800 what is happening

00:29:55.520 when he was saying

00:29:56.080 it's amazing over here

00:29:57.620 and I'm like,

00:29:58.100 go outside the city

00:29:58.920 of Moscow,

00:29:59.320 it's not amazing

00:30:00.320 and you'll see people

00:30:01.180 that are suffering.

00:30:01.980 Like,

00:30:02.140 you should know better

00:30:03.120 than to put out

00:30:04.100 this type of propaganda.

00:30:05.240 I agree with you.

00:30:06.020 I hope this is a wake-up call

00:30:07.620 and he comes back

00:30:09.600 to sanity

00:30:10.460 because he has

00:30:12.340 a huge microphone

00:30:13.860 and a huge voice

00:30:14.820 and he's genuinely

00:30:16.720 influencing a younger

00:30:17.780 generation of conservatives

00:30:19.060 who are now

00:30:20.320 anti-Israel

00:30:21.540 and don't understand

00:30:23.100 that the fall

00:30:25.540 of the Ayatollah

00:30:26.320 is a good thing

00:30:27.360 in Iran.

00:30:28.340 Yeah,

00:30:28.700 and I want to talk

00:30:29.420 about that for a minute

00:30:30.120 because there are

00:30:31.220 a lot of people

00:30:31.800 if you read X

00:30:32.880 and social media

00:30:33.700 that you just get

00:30:34.440 little slogans

00:30:35.220 that are tossed

00:30:35.800 and we're kind of tribal.

00:30:37.040 We're like on one team

00:30:37.900 or the other

00:30:38.420 and so you're either

00:30:40.380 a neocon warmonger

00:30:42.760 or you're an isolationist

00:30:45.080 like Tucker

00:30:45.820 and his followers

00:30:46.700 and I actually think

00:30:48.540 most Americans

00:30:49.280 don't fall into

00:30:50.080 either category.

00:30:51.920 Most Americans

00:30:53.080 I think agree

00:30:54.360 with President Donald Trump

00:30:56.040 and agreed

00:30:56.940 with President Ronald Reagan.

00:30:58.700 Neither one of them

00:30:59.940 were to use

00:31:01.720 the insult of the day

00:31:03.300 neocon warmongers. 0.89

00:31:04.640 You know,

00:31:04.800 in eight years

00:31:05.600 the biggest country

00:31:06.840 Reagan ever invaded

00:31:07.780 Grenada.

00:31:09.740 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 He was not interested

00:31:11.340 in invading

00:31:11.960 foreign countries

00:31:12.860 and sending our soldiers

00:31:14.040 to die abroad

00:31:14.940 but he understood

00:31:17.360 peace through strength.

00:31:18.560 He rebuilt our military.

00:31:19.900 He developed SDI

00:31:20.760 Strategic Defense Initiative.

00:31:22.140 It was called

00:31:22.500 Star Wars

00:31:23.140 Laser Missile Defense

00:31:24.860 from Space

00:31:25.440 and he bankrupted

00:31:26.300 the Soviet Union

00:31:27.060 and won the Cold War

00:31:28.400 without firing a shot.

00:31:31.440 Donald Trump likewise

00:31:32.720 has had incredible

00:31:34.620 foreign policy victories

00:31:36.080 but he's not sending

00:31:37.520 our soldiers

00:31:38.200 to be boots on the ground

00:31:39.740 and to die 0.89

00:31:40.780 for years on end.

00:31:41.940 And I want to take

00:31:43.520 a related term

00:31:44.360 that on social media

00:31:45.940 gets thrown around

00:31:46.840 as an epithet

00:31:47.940 which is regime change.

00:31:50.540 Yeah.

00:31:50.660 And you'll have people

00:31:51.260 I'm not for regime change.

00:31:53.480 Well let me be clear.

00:31:56.060 Should you be for regime change

00:31:58.560 when the Soviet Union fell

00:32:00.020 and the Berlin Wall

00:32:00.840 fell to the ground?

00:32:01.700 I will submit the answer

00:32:02.680 as unambiguously yes.

00:32:04.740 The world is better off

00:32:06.200 when a cruel tyrannical

00:32:07.420 communist regime falls.

00:32:09.240 Should you be for regime change

00:32:12.220 today in communist China?

00:32:13.960 I think unambiguously yes.

00:32:15.400 The world would be better off

00:32:16.740 if China were no longer

00:32:17.760 a communist country.

00:32:18.980 Should you be for regime change

00:32:20.900 in Iran?

00:32:22.360 I would suggest

00:32:23.600 unambiguously yes.

00:32:25.400 The world would be

00:32:26.400 a better place

00:32:27.160 if Iran was not governed 0.94

00:32:28.400 by a theocratic

00:32:29.340 murderous

00:32:30.200 religious zealot

00:32:32.240 who has killed

00:32:33.960 hundreds if not thousands

00:32:35.740 of Americans.

00:32:36.340 Now, what is the consequence

00:32:39.000 of saying you're

00:32:39.940 for regime change?

00:32:41.020 If it is

00:32:41.820 that you're going to send

00:32:43.500 hundreds of thousands

00:32:44.300 of American troops

00:32:45.140 to invade the country

00:32:46.140 and be on the ground

00:32:47.000 for years on end

00:32:48.020 and die in IEDs

00:32:49.680 and be killed 0.97

00:32:50.440 then I don't support that.

00:32:52.760 That is wrong.

00:32:54.160 And part of the reason

00:32:55.180 regime change

00:32:56.160 has become an insult

00:32:58.160 is people hear it

00:33:00.060 and they immediately think

00:33:01.360 the Iraq war.

00:33:02.260 Remember, I've opposed

00:33:03.100 the Iraq war for decades.

00:33:04.480 By the way,

00:33:05.000 when Tucker Carlson

00:33:06.620 was an interventionist

00:33:08.880 cheerleader

00:33:09.560 with pom-poms

00:33:11.380 cheering on the Iraq war 0.95

00:33:12.960 which he did for years

00:33:14.280 with his bow tie

00:33:15.080 I've said for years

00:33:17.300 the Iraq war

00:33:18.000 was clearly a mistake.

00:33:19.320 Why?

00:33:19.660 Because it did not advance

00:33:20.840 U.S. national security interest.

00:33:22.940 Saddam Hussein

00:33:23.600 was a cruel

00:33:24.220 and oppressive dictator.

00:33:25.880 He was killing terrorists

00:33:27.380 who hated America.

00:33:28.940 We came in

00:33:29.660 we toppled Saddam Hussein

00:33:30.960 and the terrorists

00:33:32.700 who hated America

00:33:33.480 took over

00:33:34.040 and began killing Americans.

00:33:35.200 By the way,

00:33:35.680 we did the same thing

00:33:36.720 in Libya with Gaddafi.

00:33:38.000 Gaddafi was cruel

00:33:39.120 and oppressive

00:33:39.760 but he was killing terrorists

00:33:41.180 who hate Americans.

00:33:42.140 We toppled Gaddafi

00:33:43.120 and the terrorists

00:33:44.060 who hate Americans

00:33:44.780 took over.

00:33:45.860 I believe we should be

00:33:47.240 America first 0.69

00:33:48.040 which means we should put

00:33:48.980 America's national security

00:33:50.180 interests first

00:33:50.900 but just because

00:33:53.120 you don't want to

00:33:54.780 commit boots on the ground

00:33:56.140 and have hundreds

00:33:56.940 or thousands of Americans

00:33:58.120 die in protracted

00:33:59.560 ground combat

00:34:00.620 does not mean

00:34:02.460 that you should support

00:34:04.640 every tyrannical enemy

00:34:06.160 of America.

00:34:07.500 We should want

00:34:08.560 regime change in Iran

00:34:10.540 and are there ways

00:34:12.140 to promote regime change

00:34:13.740 other than

00:34:15.040 boots on the ground

00:34:16.420 and yes

00:34:17.560 and I would say

00:34:18.120 one of them

00:34:18.620 is what Donald J. Trump said.

00:34:20.420 I want to read his tweet again.

00:34:22.380 Iran is looking at freedom 0.95

00:34:23.860 perhaps like never before.

00:34:25.600 The USA stands ready to help.

00:34:27.600 President Donald J. Trump.

00:34:28.960 I agree with President Trump

00:34:30.260 and Tucker and everyone else

00:34:32.620 who is blasting

00:34:33.480 that we should have

00:34:34.140 nothing to do with Iran

00:34:35.240 they're disagreeing

00:34:36.720 with the president

00:34:37.300 and they are wrong.

00:34:38.500 We should use our voice.

00:34:39.920 That's why this podcast

00:34:40.980 is a message

00:34:42.400 to the people of Iran.

00:34:44.400 Freedom matters.

00:34:46.020 You're the ones in charge

00:34:47.260 of fighting for your revolution

00:34:48.600 but know

00:34:49.580 that America stands with you

00:34:52.920 and a free and peaceful Iran

00:34:54.800 is better for Iran 1.00

00:34:55.740 and it's better for America.

00:34:57.100 Yeah, it really is.

00:34:58.220 It's an important show.

00:34:59.260 I hope the people in Iran 0.98

00:35:00.960 especially using Starlink

00:35:02.300 get this podcast

00:35:03.620 they're able to listen to it

00:35:04.760 that we're standing with you

00:35:05.620 we're supporting you

00:35:06.460 we're advocating for you

00:35:07.760 and we want you guys

00:35:09.200 to succeed in what you're doing

00:35:10.460 right now.

00:35:11.000 It's going to be very interesting

00:35:11.820 to see because

00:35:12.400 things are changing so quickly.

00:35:14.480 There was a video

00:35:15.020 that was put out

00:35:15.680 and it was also

00:35:16.960 just one of those moments

00:35:18.100 when you're

00:35:18.520 I love the internet

00:35:19.260 and it shows a Russian jet

00:35:21.200 and a Russian support plane

00:35:22.880 from their military

00:35:23.540 on the tarmac

00:35:24.320 on the military side

00:35:25.400 at the Tehran airport.

00:35:26.720 It's interesting

00:35:27.940 because people are speculating

00:35:28.940 that plane is sitting there

00:35:29.960 ready to take out

00:35:30.960 the leaders

00:35:31.380 if they need to.

00:35:32.260 Ben, I got to say

00:35:33.160 what was there

00:35:33.940 in the windshield

00:35:34.720 the little Uber logo?

00:35:36.300 I'm just curious.

00:35:37.220 Yeah, it said Russian lift.

00:35:39.140 It was Russian, yeah.

00:35:40.160 Yeah, Russian lift.

00:35:41.580 Did they at least bring

00:35:43.120 some like, you know

00:35:44.020 Domino's pizza or something?

00:35:45.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:45.860 It's the same plane

00:35:46.660 I think that they got

00:35:47.440 when they grabbed Assad, right?

00:35:48.680 You know, it's like

00:35:49.380 oh, come on down 1.00

00:35:50.120 we'll let you be an eye doctor.

00:35:51.320 It's fine.

00:35:51.700 You're one of our bad guys.

00:35:52.720 It's the dictator extraction plane.

00:35:55.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:56.420 It's those two

00:35:57.120 and who knows

00:35:57.600 maybe Tucker will be on it one day

00:35:58.960 he can go hang out there

00:35:59.740 he's already bought a house

00:36:00.580 in Qatar

00:36:01.320 so you never know

00:36:02.360 but you see it

00:36:04.020 and it's just one of those moments

00:36:05.400 where I love the internet

00:36:06.460 it's like

00:36:07.420 that's how close we are

00:36:08.780 to seeing genuine freedom

00:36:10.460 back there

00:36:11.120 that they haven't seen

00:36:12.120 since 1979

00:36:13.460 that is amazing

00:36:15.220 and inspiring

00:36:15.960 I hope for the best

00:36:17.400 and I hope that

00:36:18.060 very few lives

00:36:18.840 or any lives

00:36:19.420 are lost in this fight.

00:36:21.160 Let me say something also, Ben

00:36:22.420 you're right

00:36:22.940 let me also acknowledge

00:36:25.180 I'm not Pollyannish

00:36:26.800 about what comes next

00:36:28.560 so if there's a revolution in Iran

00:36:31.660 if the Ayatollah is toppled

00:36:33.440 it doesn't mean that tomorrow

00:36:35.700 it's suddenly utopia

00:36:37.300 and peace and harmony

00:36:38.840 there could be real conflict

00:36:41.100 there could be warring sides

00:36:43.660 anytime you have a revolution

00:36:45.960 there is uncertainty

00:36:47.080 and the outcome can be good or bad

00:36:49.880 I don't have a stake

00:36:52.580 I don't have a preferred favorite

00:36:55.780 for who the next leader of Iran is

00:36:58.120 I don't think that's my place

00:36:59.160 I'm not a voter in Iran 0.69

00:37:01.900 unlike Tucker

00:37:02.840 I'm not buying a home

00:37:04.300 in the Middle East

00:37:05.040 To be clear

00:37:07.460 you're not buying real estate there

00:37:08.940 okay

00:37:09.240 I thought you guys

00:37:10.580 were going to be neighbors

00:37:11.240 but okay

00:37:11.800 look

00:37:12.480 if the people of Iran

00:37:13.940 topple the Ayatollah 0.97

00:37:15.400 and the Mullahs

00:37:16.160 my hope is

00:37:17.240 that we see free

00:37:18.060 and democratic elections

00:37:19.180 and they elect a leader

00:37:20.460 who's a good leader

00:37:21.900 who treats his people well

00:37:23.220 and who wants to be friends

00:37:24.620 with America

00:37:25.120 instead of enemies

00:37:25.760 by the way

00:37:26.260 that's the exact same outcome

00:37:28.020 I want in Venezuela 0.99

00:37:28.880 I want them not to have

00:37:30.160 a communist dictator

00:37:31.100 now

00:37:31.460 Donald Trump has taken care of that

00:37:33.320 by arresting him

00:37:34.060 and arresting him

00:37:34.780 and prosecuting him

00:37:35.660 but I want to see

00:37:36.920 free and fair elections

00:37:37.960 in Venezuela

00:37:38.660 where they elect someone

00:37:39.720 I hope

00:37:40.300 who embraces freedom

00:37:41.260 and free enterprise

00:37:41.980 and wants to be friends

00:37:43.900 with America

00:37:44.400 the lens I look through

00:37:45.460 all of this

00:37:45.980 is how does it impact America

00:37:47.320 it's America first 0.99

00:37:48.220 but I'm not diminishing

00:37:50.420 could there be bad outcomes

00:37:53.100 could there be a civil war

00:37:54.900 yes

00:37:55.240 that's a possibility

00:37:56.300 when you have revolution

00:37:57.080 you could have a divided country

00:37:57.920 like we saw in Iraq

00:37:58.980 as well

00:37:59.580 I mean you see this

00:38:00.320 where there's different

00:38:00.880 there's many different

00:38:01.720 religious thoughts

00:38:02.760 and backgrounds

00:38:03.620 and different towns

00:38:04.600 that believe different things

00:38:05.580 and let me draw a distinction

00:38:07.080 on this also

00:38:07.940 which is

00:38:09.100 there's a real difference

00:38:11.360 between Saddam Hussein

00:38:12.500 and Iran

00:38:13.380 in that Saddam Hussein 0.51

00:38:15.080 was a cruel dictator

00:38:16.280 but he wasn't actively

00:38:17.700 waging war on America

00:38:19.080 the Ayatollah

00:38:20.420 is actively waging war

00:38:22.100 on America

00:38:22.560 he's spending money today

00:38:24.100 funding terrorists

00:38:26.380 that are trying to kill Americans 0.99

00:38:27.660 and there's a real difference

00:38:29.420 there are regimes

00:38:30.640 across this country

00:38:31.780 across the world rather

00:38:32.940 that are cruel

00:38:33.780 and oppressive

00:38:34.340 but they're not trying

00:38:36.000 to kill us

00:38:37.000 the Ayatollah is

00:38:39.120 and so look

00:38:40.080 obviously

00:38:40.760 if the regime falls

00:38:42.660 you could end up

00:38:43.260 with a bad outcome

00:38:44.160 but in my view

00:38:45.480 there are very few outcomes

00:38:46.640 that could be worse

00:38:47.600 than the Ayatollah

00:38:48.420 at this point

00:38:49.100 they are unmitigatedly

00:38:50.940 our enemies

00:38:51.540 and I am hopeful

00:38:53.660 I think we should be

00:38:54.680 a voice of encouragement

00:38:56.400 towards better leadership

00:38:58.760 but I want to close

00:38:59.680 with this story

00:39:00.320 so about a decade ago

00:39:02.640 I was in Jerusalem

00:39:04.420 and I had the opportunity

00:39:05.780 to meet Natan Sharansky

00:39:07.180 now Natan Sharansky

00:39:08.260 is the famed

00:39:10.460 Soviet dissident

00:39:11.740 he was in the Soviet gulag

00:39:13.360 and he told me the story

00:39:15.900 about how

00:39:16.520 when they were in the gulag

00:39:17.580 and Reagan was president

00:39:19.400 that the prisoners

00:39:21.280 would pass

00:39:22.200 from cell to cell

00:39:23.320 notes

00:39:23.960 and they would be notes

00:39:26.060 saying

00:39:26.580 did you hear

00:39:27.500 what Reagan said

00:39:28.600 Reagan called the Soviet Union

00:39:30.040 an evil empire

00:39:30.920 they passed notes

00:39:32.220 evil empire

00:39:32.820 evil empire

00:39:33.440 evil empire

00:39:34.120 Reagan was asked

00:39:36.460 what is your strategy

00:39:38.500 on the Cold War

00:39:39.280 he said

00:39:39.620 very simple

00:39:40.320 we win

00:39:41.140 they lose

00:39:42.420 before that

00:39:43.560 everyone said

00:39:44.020 oh we're going to have detente

00:39:44.960 we're just going to do nothing

00:39:45.880 and he's like

00:39:46.240 we win

00:39:46.640 they lose

00:39:47.080 that's the strategy

00:39:47.920 when he talked about

00:39:49.660 Marxism-Leninism

00:39:50.600 he said

00:39:51.020 Marxism-Leninism

00:39:52.060 will end up

00:39:52.600 on the ash heap

00:39:53.740 of history

00:39:54.440 and then

00:39:55.880 the most significant words

00:39:57.500 any leader

00:39:57.980 has uttered

00:39:59.000 in modern times

00:39:59.760 he stood in front

00:40:00.440 of the Brandenburg Gate

00:40:01.360 in Germany

00:40:01.980 and said

00:40:03.060 Mr. Gorbachev

00:40:04.140 tear down

00:40:05.160 this wall

00:40:06.100 which by the way

00:40:07.340 I love that part of the story

00:40:08.680 if you haven't looked at it

00:40:09.640 please go and look at it

00:40:11.120 he was told by his staff

00:40:13.620 and speechwriters

00:40:14.660 to not say it

00:40:16.400 and he

00:40:16.820 added it back in

00:40:18.020 after the State Department

00:40:19.360 had taken it out

00:40:20.260 three times

00:40:21.200 the State Department

00:40:21.940 deleted that

00:40:22.640 three times

00:40:23.220 Reagan wrote it back in

00:40:24.220 and by the way

00:40:25.600 the State Department

00:40:26.420 argued at the time

00:40:27.240 of his speech

00:40:27.740 he said

00:40:28.100 you cannot say this

00:40:29.180 it is too aggressive

00:40:30.040 it's too bellicose

00:40:31.000 and here was their

00:40:31.960 killer argument

00:40:32.540 it's too unrealistic

00:40:34.580 it will never

00:40:35.480 ever ever happen

00:40:36.720 and Reagan laughed

00:40:38.840 and said

00:40:39.240 this is the whole point

00:40:40.100 of the speech

00:40:40.640 and it was less than

00:40:42.220 three years

00:40:42.860 from giving that speech

00:40:43.880 that the Berlin Wall

00:40:44.640 was torn to the ground

00:40:45.620 and by the way

00:40:46.300 Berlin Wall

00:40:48.060 did not come down

00:40:49.260 because Reagan

00:40:49.980 ordered in the Marines

00:40:51.080 we sent in

00:40:51.860 tanks to knock down

00:40:53.260 the wall

00:40:53.720 it was the power

00:40:55.200 of the bully pulpit

00:40:56.420 of the voice

00:40:57.340 for freedom

00:40:58.120 of the president

00:40:58.800 and one of the things

00:41:00.100 Ben you've seen

00:41:00.860 that is in my office

00:41:02.440 it's actually in one

00:41:03.120 of the offices

00:41:03.580 of my staff

00:41:04.500 I love it

00:41:05.480 is my first couple

00:41:07.000 of years

00:41:07.380 that I was in the Senate

00:41:08.160 someone came to the office

00:41:10.220 and gave me something

00:41:11.100 and it's a silk painting

00:41:13.040 of myself

00:41:13.940 which I don't

00:41:15.600 generally hang paintings

00:41:16.560 of myself on the wall

00:41:17.360 yeah

00:41:18.160 but the reason

00:41:19.620 that I kept this one

00:41:20.960 is the story behind it

00:41:22.700 this was apparently

00:41:23.500 made by a dissident

00:41:25.940 a prisoner

00:41:26.840 in North Korea

00:41:28.680 and I've been

00:41:30.540 from the very first days

00:41:31.620 I arrived in the Senate

00:41:32.480 I've been speaking out

00:41:33.480 against tyrants

00:41:34.820 and communist oppression

00:41:36.220 whether in China

00:41:37.960 or North Korea

00:41:39.300 or Venezuela

00:41:40.900 or Cuba

00:41:41.620 or Iran

00:41:43.280 and much like

00:41:44.920 Natan Sharansky

00:41:45.800 apparently the words

00:41:46.960 that I had said

00:41:47.820 here in the United States

00:41:49.160 had somehow

00:41:50.600 made their way

00:41:51.700 into a dark prison cell

00:41:53.200 in North Korea

00:41:53.880 and I don't know

00:41:54.640 the name

00:41:55.200 of this North Korean

00:41:56.780 who made this

00:41:57.660 I don't know his story

00:41:59.040 I just know

00:42:00.100 that it was smuggled out

00:42:01.280 and they delivered it

00:42:02.820 to my office

00:42:03.440 and I periodically

00:42:04.180 look at that

00:42:04.840 and say okay

00:42:05.540 like there's a responsibility

00:42:07.680 this podcast

00:42:09.200 there may be someone

00:42:12.140 who is risking their life

00:42:15.020 or even God forbid

00:42:15.960 loses their life

00:42:17.180 because they hear our words

00:42:19.180 are inspired

00:42:19.980 to fight against tyranny

00:42:21.340 and so I think

00:42:21.780 we have a responsibility

00:42:22.920 to speak truth

00:42:26.040 to speak for justice

00:42:27.200 and that's what I hope

00:42:28.960 this podcast

00:42:30.100 is doing every week

00:42:31.260 but especially today

00:42:32.160 yeah

00:42:32.700 I couldn't agree

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - January 12, 2026

A Message to the Iranian People： You can Change the World Right NOW, plus WHY it Matters so much for the Safety of Americans

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