Verdict with Ted Cruz - Angry Children at Stanford Law School Shout Down a Federal Judge, Biden's Out-of-Control Budget & DOD Caught Leaking Classified Docs to Spin Chinese Spy Balloon

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00:00:05.320 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:08.800 Nice to have you with us today.

00:00:10.420 And Senator, we've got a lot to talk about, including leaks coming from the Democrats,

00:00:15.960 classified leaks, to try to give them cover on China and the balloons.

00:00:20.460 We'll talk about that.

00:00:21.500 We also have to talk about an insane federal budget and a bunch of wokeness in it. 0.99

00:00:25.400 But before we get to that, this is going to be something right up your wheelhouse.

00:00:30.780 Stanford Law decided it would be a good idea to bring in a judge, a federal judge,

00:00:37.040 to lecture, to talk, to educate, to inform students.

00:00:42.220 It didn't go very well for the Fifth Circuit Judge, Kyle Duncan,

00:00:46.240 who was basically shouted down, obviously this was pre-organized and pre-planned,

00:00:52.860 to make it where the man virtually couldn't speak.

00:00:56.240 Is this part of the problem we have now in America,

00:00:58.240 that no one that has a different perspective with these woke lefties can get anything,

00:01:02.980 even a normal debate anymore?

00:01:05.860 It absolutely is.

00:01:07.740 What happened this week at Stanford Law School was remarkable.

00:01:11.760 A federal judge, a federal court of appeals judge in the Fifth Circuit, Judge Kyle Duncan,

00:01:16.320 was invited by the Federalist Society chapter at Stanford to come speak.

00:01:20.180 Now, Kyle Duncan is a judge who was appointed by Donald Trump, who was confirmed by the Senate.

00:01:25.420 He's been sitting for several years now in the Fifth Circuit.

00:01:29.420 It's not uncommon for judges to go speak at law schools.

00:01:32.640 That happens all the time.

00:01:34.240 What happened this week at Stanford is extraordinarily uncommon.

00:01:38.440 In fact, I don't know of it ever happening to another judge in history,

00:01:43.340 which is when Judge Duncan came and had prepared remarks,

00:01:48.400 a group of Stanford law students began screaming, began heckling, began shouting him down, began cursing,

00:01:55.740 began literally every word or two that he said,

00:01:59.920 screaming and stopping the other Stanford law students from hearing what Judge Duncan had to say.

00:02:04.520 And unfortunately, it got worse.

00:02:07.700 You had law students who were shouting down a federal judge.

00:02:11.320 And then an administrator showed up, an administrator named Taryn Steinbach,

00:02:17.060 who is the school's diversity dean.

00:02:19.400 So she is in charge of DEI.

00:02:21.660 And she shows up, and Stanford Law School claims to have a free speech policy.

00:02:25.980 They claim to have a policy that you can't silence a speaker just because you disagree with him.

00:02:31.200 So with the arrival of the dean, you would think that the dean would enforce the school's policies.

00:02:37.820 Well, that's not what happened.

00:02:39.700 Not even close.

00:02:40.760 In fact, even the judge had this to say after the heckling would not stop,

00:02:47.240 and she comes in the room, and then she decides she wants to basically give a speech.

00:02:51.640 And even before he could get back to what he was there to do,

00:02:55.140 he made the obvious point, which was this.

00:03:01.200 Can I say something, Tim?

00:03:04.480 Is that okay?

00:03:06.100 Is that okay?

00:03:07.060 So you've invited me to speak here, and I'm being heckled nonstop.

00:03:10.880 And I'm just asking for an administrator to sign up.

00:03:13.420 Now you can hear it there.

00:03:18.540 He's like, let me get this straight.

00:03:19.820 You asked me to come here to speak.

00:03:21.760 I'm being heckled nonstop.

00:03:23.120 You're the one that's supposed to be basically putting law and order back into this lecture,

00:03:27.440 back into this classroom that's supposed to be at a higher level in law school,

00:03:31.860 and now you're here basically wanting to give a speech to me.

00:03:36.420 Well, he didn't know that at that moment.

00:03:38.680 And when she comes in, and there's video of this that's online too,

00:03:41.660 so you can watch this whole thing transpire.

00:03:44.040 But when she comes in, he doesn't know that she's an administrator.

00:03:47.560 He doesn't know that she's a dean, much less the DEI dean.

00:03:51.660 But she comes in, and the mobs scream, she's an administrator. 1.00

00:03:55.100 And what happens next is remarkable, because it turned out she had a written speech,

00:04:02.100 not to the students to tell them, shut up and listen to the judge or leave,

00:04:05.800 which is what an administrator should have done,

00:04:07.520 but rather she proceeded to lecture and denounce the judge herself as the administrator, 0.97

00:04:16.020 as the dean.

00:04:17.680 And this too is remarkable.

00:04:20.020 She went on for about six minutes.

00:04:21.580 Let's play about half of what she said, because it's really, it takes your breath away.

00:04:27.120 I have to write something down because I'm so uncomfortable up here.

00:04:31.380 And I don't say that for sympathy.

00:04:33.540 I just say I'm deeply, deeply uncomfortable.

00:04:35.700 I'm uncomfortable because this event is tearing at the fabric of this community

00:04:41.520 that I care about and I'm here to support.

00:04:44.340 And I don't know, and I have to ask myself, and I'm not a cynic to ask this,

00:04:48.680 is the juice worth the squeeze?

00:04:50.980 It is an aesthetic.

00:04:54.640 But for many people in this hospital who work here, who study here, and who live here,

00:04:59.480 your advocacy, your opinions from the bench,

00:05:03.300 land as absolute disenfranchisement of their rights, it does land.

00:05:08.300 And it impacts directly their people, humans, their families, and their communities.

00:05:24.020 And I'm uncomfortable, and it's uncomfortable to say this to you as a person.

00:05:27.760 It's uncomfortable to say that for many people here, your work has caused harm.

00:05:33.920 Has caused harm.

00:05:35.880 And I know that must be uncomfortable to hear.

00:05:38.320 I know that must be.

00:05:39.400 Let me please finish.

00:05:40.400 And I want to give you space to finish your remarks too, Judge Duncan.

00:05:43.800 I'm also uncomfortable because many of the people in the room here I have come to care for.

00:05:53.260 And in my role at this university, my job is to create a space of belonging for all people in this institution.

00:06:01.820 And that is hard and messy and not easy, and the answers are not black or white or right or wrong.

00:06:07.700 This is actually part of the creation of belonging.

00:06:10.380 And it doesn't feel comfortable, and it doesn't always feel safe,

00:06:14.880 but there are always places of safety, and there is always an intention from this administration

00:06:19.700 to make sure you all can be in a place where you feel fully you can be here, learn,

00:06:25.380 grow into the amazing advocates and lawyers and leaders that you're going to be.

00:06:30.280 I'm also uncomfortable because it is my job to say you are invited into this space.

00:06:35.720 You are absolutely welcome in this space.

00:06:38.000 In this space that people learn and, again, live.

00:06:41.820 I really do wholeheartedly welcome you, because me and many people in this administration

00:06:47.140 do absolutely believe in pre-speech.

00:06:49.960 We believe that it is necessary.

00:06:51.920 We believe that the way to address speech that feels abhorrent, that feels harmful,

00:06:58.020 that literally denies the humanity of people,

00:07:01.320 that one way to do that is with more speech and not less,

00:07:05.620 and not to shut you down or censor you or censor the student group that invited you here.

00:07:11.140 That is hard.

00:07:12.140 That is uncomfortable.

00:07:13.660 And that is a policy and a principle that I think is worthy of defending,

00:07:19.140 even in this time, even in this time.

00:07:21.820 And, again, I still ask, is the juice worth the squeeze?

00:07:24.500 I mean, is it worth the pain that is caused and the division that is caused?

00:07:30.220 You have something so incredible and important to say about Twitter and guns and COVID

00:07:35.380 that that is worth this impact on the division of these people

00:07:39.620 who have sat next to each other for years,

00:07:42.400 who are going through what is the battle of law school together

00:07:45.700 so that they can go out into the world and be advocates.

00:07:48.660 So they can go out into the world and be advocates, Senator.

00:07:52.260 I mean, she clearly pre-planned this and knew what she was going to do,

00:07:55.820 which was, in essence, tell off a federal judge.

00:07:59.500 Well, there's so many things wrong with this that it's difficult to know where to begin.

00:08:04.040 But maybe where to begin is where she ends.

00:08:07.060 So they can go out into the world to be advocates.

00:08:09.200 Notice she didn't say attorneys.

00:08:11.100 This is Stanford Law School.

00:08:13.380 They are trying to train social justice warriors.

00:08:16.320 They're trying to train Occupy Wall Street, burn it all down, left-wing radicals.

00:08:22.860 They're trying to train Antifa.

00:08:25.040 They're not trying to train lawyers.

00:08:28.660 Their attorneys present arguments in front of judges.

00:08:32.580 I have in my entire life, I've been a lawyer roughly half my life,

00:08:37.340 I have never seen a federal judge on the left or right treated like that, ever.

00:08:44.400 However, the idea that at Stanford Law,

00:08:47.740 that law students would think it's appropriate to scream and yell and heckle,

00:08:52.040 can you imagine how people would react if Sonia Sotomayor went to a law school

00:08:58.180 and a bunch of right-wing law students began screaming and yelling and cursing?

00:09:02.960 People would lose their minds, and quite rightly,

00:09:05.680 because that's not how a lawyer is trained to deal with a judge.

00:09:10.220 If you did that in a courtroom, you would be put in handcuffs,

00:09:14.400 you would be held in contempt of court, and you would be sent to jail.

00:09:17.620 That's actually how our justice system works.

00:09:20.040 You don't get to scream and yell at a federal judge in a courtroom.

00:09:24.020 For law students to do it on the faculty is disgraceful.

00:09:26.820 And by the way, it also, the entire week it was preceded by a concerted effort.

00:09:34.540 So when the judge was invited, left-wing activists put all over Stanford Law School flyers

00:09:41.560 with the names and pictures of the students on the board of the Federalist Society at Stanford,

00:09:48.520 along with the words,

00:09:50.340 you should be ashamed,

00:09:52.860 with ashamed in bright red, sort of Halloween-looking, dripping letters.

00:09:58.400 This is deliberately targeting those students.

00:10:01.160 This is threatening those students.

00:10:02.600 This is using threats of force.

00:10:05.820 This is, if it happened on the other foot,

00:10:09.720 if a conservative put up a list with pictures and names of nine liberal students

00:10:15.980 and said, you should be ashamed for advocating for whatever left-wing cause you're advocating,

00:10:22.560 I guarantee you the law school would discipline, if not expel, any students who did that.

00:10:28.280 And to see this happening to a judge is astonishing.

00:10:32.280 You mentioned that this group that was bringing them in is a group that a lot of people may have heard of.

00:10:38.020 They don't necessarily know what they do.

00:10:40.740 And a lot of Americans, obviously, have not gone to law school.

00:10:43.600 I want you to kind of explain, Federalist Society,

00:10:45.780 I want you to explain how law school works for speakers that come in.

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00:12:15.320 Senator, you mentioned this group.

00:12:17.400 Tell a little bit of background on the group and how law school works.

00:12:20.940 Bringing in judges and bringing in famous lawyers is a part of law school.

00:12:26.720 Bringing in speakers is a part of law school.

00:12:29.240 That's very normal.

00:12:30.280 It's been going on for decades and decades and decades.

00:12:32.940 So the Federalist Society is a group that was formed in 1982.

00:12:37.220 So it's 41 years old.

00:12:39.340 And it was formed by a group of students from Yale and Harvard and University of Chicago Law School.

00:12:45.160 And it was formed with the idea of challenging the left-wing orthodoxy that was the prevailing view of the faculty and many of the students in law schools.

00:12:54.620 And it was initially formed by students and some law professors and some of the early mentors and founding figures of the Federalist Society include Justice Antonin Scalia and Judge Robert Bork.

00:13:09.800 The Federalist Society now has chapters all over the country.

00:13:15.580 It has chapters at more than 200 law schools.

00:13:18.460 And its lawyers division has more than 70,000 practicing lawyers all over the country.

00:13:24.360 And so in law schools, they regularly host events.

00:13:27.680 They host a national conference for law students.

00:13:31.780 The lawyers conventions, they're in cities all across the country.

00:13:35.140 They regularly host events as well.

00:13:36.820 They bring in speakers, they have debates.

00:13:39.120 There's also every year a national lawyers convention in Washington that thousands of conservative and or libertarian lawyers come to.

00:13:50.800 I've been a member of the Federalist Society for 31 years.

00:13:54.680 I joined when I was a 1L in law school in 1992.

00:13:57.760 So it was just 10 years old at the time.

00:14:00.040 And I've been to dozens of national conventions.

00:14:04.140 One of the things that's interesting about the Federalist Society is they often have debates.

00:14:07.980 They invite lots of liberals.

00:14:09.300 Liberals attend.

00:14:10.100 Liberal law professors attend.

00:14:11.360 Liberal judges attend.

00:14:13.240 I've seen many left-wing judges.

00:14:15.440 I've seen Antonin Scalia and Steve Breyer debate at a Federalist Society convention.

00:14:21.700 And you know what happens at a Federalist Society convention?

00:14:24.040 I've never seen a crowd of either law students or lawyers treat a liberal judge disrespectfully.

00:14:32.960 I've never seen it.

00:14:35.120 I can't imagine that it would happen.

00:14:37.520 The left has tried to make the Federalist Society a badge of shame.

00:14:44.180 In fact, you'll see in the Senate Judiciary Committee when a judge is nominated, the Democrats will ask,

00:14:49.000 are you a member of the Federalist Society?

00:14:50.600 And they treat it like, you know, it's very Joe McCarthy.

00:14:53.260 Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

00:14:55.460 I frequently go back and forth with Sheldon Whitehouse, one of the liberals on the Judiciary Committee,

00:15:01.160 about the Federalist Society.

00:15:02.960 But in this instance, the behavior of the left-wing activists was shameful at the outset,

00:15:12.240 attacking the students in the Federalist Society, trying to make them pariahs,

00:15:16.560 trying to shame them, trying to force them to cancel the event.

00:15:22.000 And they were pushing for them to cancel, do not bring this judge to campus.

00:15:27.040 I'll tell you, I've spoken at many Federalist Society events across the country at left-wing universities.

00:15:33.860 And this pattern has been growing.

00:15:37.700 Look, we saw about a year ago something similar happen at Yale Law School.

00:15:43.720 There was a lawyer, Kristen Wagoner, who came to speak and came to speak about a religious liberty case

00:15:52.540 that she'd argued at the U.S. Supreme Court and that she'd won.

00:15:56.540 And she'd prevailed and she was talking about that case.

00:16:01.380 And the same sort of things happened, which is a group of left-wing students yelled, screamed, harassed,

00:16:11.320 and shut down the speech, prevented her from speaking.

00:16:14.060 It was shameful for Yale.

00:16:16.740 It also similarly happened at University of California, Hastings,

00:16:21.160 when a libertarian law professor named Ilya Shapiro, Ilya is a friend of mine, a terrific law professor,

00:16:27.000 again, left-wing activists screamed and yelled and shut down his speech.

00:16:32.020 So they've done this before to lawyers and professors.

00:16:35.380 To my knowledge, they've never done it before to a judge.

00:16:40.080 And there are lots of questions that this raises, one of which is, what's Stanford going to do about it?

00:16:46.760 Now, the president of Stanford, the dean of the law school, have already apologized.

00:16:50.820 In writing, they apologized to Judge Duncan.

00:16:53.000 They apologized publicly.

00:16:54.700 That was the right thing to do.

00:16:55.780 I'm glad they apologized.

00:16:57.800 That's more than many institutions do.

00:17:00.320 But the obvious question is, what consequences are the students going to face?

00:17:05.820 Look, we know who those students were.

00:17:07.680 There are videos of them.

00:17:09.760 Any student that is shouting down a federal judge, and by the way, they weren't just shouting down.

00:17:16.220 They were yelling profane and explicit language to the judge, including one man, a gay man, 0.89

00:17:27.660 who described in profane terms that he had sexual relations with other men. 0.99

00:17:34.100 And he said, I know where the prostate is. 0.99

00:17:37.360 And he demands of the judge why he can't find a particular part of a woman's genitalia. 0.99

00:17:45.440 Like, what the hell? 0.98

00:17:47.760 Yeah, welcome to diversity at law school at Stanford, one of the top ones in the country.

00:17:52.640 And this is a law student screaming profane expletives at a sitting federal court of appeals judge.

00:17:59.300 As far as I'm concerned, every student there who engaged in this conduct should face disciplinary action.

00:18:06.480 And the big question is, what's going to happen to this dean?

00:18:10.680 And I guarantee you, Stanford's going to say, well, we apologized.

00:18:13.300 Look, this dean, what she did was premeditated.

00:18:16.900 Stanford claims to have a free speech policy.

00:18:19.960 Not only did she not enforce the policy, she effectively joined the mob. 0.99

00:18:24.920 Her speech was disgraceful as well.

00:18:27.960 And I got to say, the whole, you know, you are causing pain and I feel, I know it feels uncomfortable to hear me say this.

00:18:36.320 It's the entire lingo of the left where they sound like a combination of Mr. Rogers and a therapist.

00:18:44.480 And they're just like, oh, oh, I'm so sensitive and my feelings are hurt.

00:18:49.920 And then I got to say, my head explodes when I see all these lefties snapping.

00:18:53.400 That's the way so many left wing activists like to like to applaud on on campuses.

00:18:58.220 They go and it's and they also hiss like snakes that when they don't like something, they hiss when they like it, they snap.

00:19:06.780 And let me say right now, this dean should be fired.

00:19:09.460 If it is not a firing offense for a dean of a law school to side with students who are attacking, insulting, cursing at a federal judge, to side with the mob against a federal judge, against an invited speaker, then I don't know what would be a fireable offense.

00:19:30.260 But I'm going to predict right now, Stanford won't fire her because DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, is more important to them than the actual mission of training lawyers.

00:19:42.960 And I'll tell you this, Stanford's going to have an interesting question because every one of those law students, presumably when they graduate, is going to take the bar.

00:19:52.340 And the state bar is going to have to assess the student's character and fitness to practice law.

00:19:58.560 And I got to tell you, if you're sitting on a state bar and you're seeing that as a law student, this person screams and yells and curses at federal judges, I don't know a whole lot of state bars that would say you have the character and fitness to be an attorney.

00:20:12.560 You have the character and fitness to appear in federal court in front of a federal judge when you don't have the decency to actually behave like a lawyer and engage in a respectful conversation.

00:20:23.660 You can ask harsh questions, you can disagree with the judge's opinion, but screaming and cursing and yelling and trying to deny your fellow students the right to hear a speaker they came to hear, that is not remotely consistent with the obligations of being a member of the bar.

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00:21:11.380 You said something earlier at the very beginning, and you said it's clear that Stanford and the way that the dean talked about this is they're basically trying not to graduate lawyers.

00:21:22.420 They're trying to graduate activists.

00:21:26.500 And you can connect this directly to what's happening right now in Washington with the Biden budget.

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00:22:51.580 Now, Senator, you kind of went on a really blunt, I would call it a tirade and I mean that in a positive way, in Congress this past week, talking about Biden's budget.

00:23:05.240 But the budget that he has put together, that the Democrats have put together, is not an actual budget.

00:23:12.120 It's a massive increase of government spending, but with a whole hell of a lot of wokeness in it that has nothing to do with an actual budget.

00:23:20.820 Well, this past week, Biden rolled out what he calls his budget, and it is a left-wing manifesto.

00:23:27.380 It is extreme.

00:23:28.860 He proposed, just for fiscal year 2024, $6.9 trillion in spending, almost $7 trillion in spending.

00:23:38.940 And under the budget that he laid out, he is proposing that the national debt should exceed $50 trillion by the year 2033,

00:23:50.220 which would be a debt-to-GDP ratio higher than the record we set right after World War II.

00:23:57.000 That's what he's proposing on the front end.

00:23:58.860 Now, amazingly enough, despite having $50 trillion in debt, he also is proposing $4.7 trillion in new taxes.

00:24:08.240 A lot of those taxes are targeted at oil and gas, at energy exploration, because he wants the price of the gas pump to go higher,

00:24:16.620 because the Green New Deal is much more important to him than actually working families who are having a hard time making ends meet,

00:24:24.440 who are having a hard time fill their pump.

00:24:25.960 If you look at what is in this budget, he would increase the business tax rate to 28%,

00:24:35.820 which the Tax Foundation has estimated would kill 159,000 jobs, shrink the economy by $720 billion,

00:24:46.300 that would have the United States have a higher business tax rate than communist China.

00:24:53.320 But that is their priority.

00:24:55.100 Can you say that again?

00:24:55.940 I think people really need to understand and realize why they're doing what you just said,

00:25:01.340 having a higher corporate tax rate than China.

00:25:03.900 And that's to basically make our government, I would say communist, socialist, however you want to describe it,

00:25:11.040 but make sure that you just can't really succeed to a certain level of success in America any longer.

00:25:16.320 They want to tamper success.

00:25:18.840 I'm just going to tell you what they're doing.

00:25:20.500 This is a socialist budget.

00:25:22.420 This is a budget to bankrupt America.

00:25:25.280 This is a budget to kill jobs.

00:25:27.060 This is a budget to create even more inflation.

00:25:30.840 For example, let's just look at a simple word count.

00:25:34.900 The word equity appears in the Biden budget 63 times.

00:25:40.140 The word climate, 148 times.

00:25:43.500 The words environmental justice, they appear 25 times.

00:25:48.200 On the other hand, how about issues that Americans actually care about?

00:25:52.700 The word inflation is mentioned just 10 times.

00:25:55.860 Police officers, mentioned four times.

00:25:59.560 Parents, mentioned three times.

00:26:01.920 Gas prices, three times.

00:26:04.240 Fentanyl, just two times.

00:26:07.500 This is a left-wing budget, and it doesn't address the real problems.

00:26:12.460 Like, we have the worst illegal immigration in our nation's history. 1.00

00:26:16.600 You know how many new Border Patrol agents are funded in this budget?

00:26:21.080 I'm going to guess not that many, knowing how much they love an open budget.

00:26:24.580 Open border, I should say. 0.92

00:26:26.800 350.

00:26:28.260 Wow.

00:26:29.840 Mind you, the budget not only funds 87,000 new IRS agents,

00:26:35.720 it puts even more money into the IRS,

00:26:38.980 because their objective is a federal government to harass

00:26:42.840 and go after the American people and small businesses.

00:26:46.280 They're perfectly fine with open borders.

00:26:49.280 They're perfectly fine with fentanyl flooding across the border.

00:26:52.400 Here's the good news.

00:26:55.220 This left-wing budget, the chances of it passing into law are 0%.

00:27:01.480 There's no chance this budget will pass.

00:27:04.080 And by the way, the Biden White House knows this.

00:27:05.760 They know that a Republican House of Representatives would never pass this radical budget.

00:27:11.420 So why did they propose it?

00:27:13.460 What's interesting is, because they know it won't pass, this is a political document.

00:27:18.240 This is their telling you, this is what we believe in.

00:27:22.560 And what becomes clear is what they believe in is climate justice and equity

00:27:29.820 and everything except actually securing the border, protecting our homes, protecting our families,

00:27:37.620 growing the economy, creating jobs, lowering inflation, having gas prices be affordable.

00:27:43.760 None of those do they care about.

00:27:45.720 This is instead, I am activist, hear me roar.

00:27:51.260 That is this budget.

00:27:53.300 How much of this, Senator, could make it?

00:27:55.020 And you did say you think there's 0% chance this budget will be passed, but a budget will have to be passed.

00:28:00.900 So is this start out on the most extreme, and then you negotiate down to a significant chunk of this extremism showing up in the budget?

00:28:10.320 Well, it'll depend on the back and forth between the House and the Senate.

00:28:15.820 The Republican House is going to have very different priorities.

00:28:19.440 Unfortunately, we have a Democrat Senate. 0.96

00:28:21.280 So my guess is that some of the Democrats in the Senate think Biden's budget should be even bigger.

00:28:26.860 He should spend even more.

00:28:28.900 For example, one of their talking points that the White House is bragging about is they say,

00:28:33.960 well, we increased defense spending 3%.

00:28:36.680 Now, of course, inflation is between 6% and 8%.

00:28:39.280 So that is, in real terms, a cut of between 3% and 5% to defense.

00:28:46.120 But that's their talking point.

00:28:48.620 Where we end up at the end of the day is going to be a result of the negotiations between the House and Senate and the White House.

00:28:54.940 It's going to go back and forth.

00:28:56.720 And the two pivotal leverage points where the fight is really going to be fought out are going to be the debt ceiling

00:29:04.440 and are going to be September 30th, the expiration of federal funding.

00:29:08.200 Those are going to be the two battles.

00:29:10.120 I expect both will be epic battles.

00:29:12.700 I believe if Republicans stand firm, we can make real progress.

00:29:16.440 But we'll see, A, if Republicans stand firm, and B, what Democrats do in response.

00:29:22.680 Yeah.

00:29:23.040 This budget, as you said, seeing how the sausage is going to be made will be very, very interesting.

00:29:27.760 I want to move on to one other issue, Senator, and that is one where a Biden official apparently leaked classified info

00:29:36.500 about the Trump-era Chinese spy balloons to deflect criticism of the Biden administration.

00:29:43.640 Senators are now saying and accusing this of happening.

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00:30:44.820 Senator, this last story is one that should be making really big headlines.

00:30:48.900 It's not.

00:30:50.040 And that's the fact that apparently Biden officials leaked classified info about the Trump-era-Chinese spy balloons

00:30:54.980 just to deflect criticism from Joe Biden's administration.

00:30:58.760 Well, this is another illustration of what happens when the woke, angry children at Stanford Law School

00:31:06.220 grow up and get jobs in the Defense Department.

00:31:09.260 In this instance, remember back to the Chinese spy balloon.

00:31:12.980 And we talked quite a bit on the podcast about the Chinese spy balloon at the time.

00:31:17.440 And when the news broke, remember the Chinese spy balloon initially crossed over American airspace in Alaska.

00:31:23.600 The Biden administration did nothing.

00:31:26.360 It then went over Canadian airspace.

00:31:28.620 The Biden administration did nothing.

00:31:30.440 It then crossed over into American airspace again, crossing in Idaho and Montana.

00:31:34.920 And what happened is it happened to be a remarkably clear day. 0.95

00:31:40.300 And a couple of Montana guys looking up in the sky saw the damn thing and they took pictures of it 0.97

00:31:46.520 and they put it on the Internet and reporters covered it. 0.97

00:31:49.500 And suddenly people are like, what the heck is that in the air?

00:31:52.640 And as you'll recall, for eight days, the Biden administration allowed the spy balloon

00:31:58.540 to traverse the entire continental United States, conducting espionage over sensitive military installations.

00:32:05.440 And they did nothing until its mission was complete.

00:32:07.860 And then they shot it down over the Atlantic.

00:32:10.700 Now, if you recall how when this when this was unfolding, Biden was getting a lot of heat.

00:32:16.600 Why are you so weak?

00:32:17.580 Why are you so impotent? 0.98

00:32:18.580 Why are you allowing the Chinese to spy on us? 1.00

00:32:20.680 And about midway through that process, suddenly there were stories everywhere that says said,

00:32:27.180 oh, well, Trump did the same thing.

00:32:29.780 The Chinese spied on us during the Trump administration and Trump did nothing as well.

00:32:33.800 And that was a story.

00:32:35.360 The Biden flacks, they flacked hard.

00:32:37.460 They're like, look, look, look, see, Trump did it, too.

00:32:39.840 Ha ha.

00:32:40.260 Our guy's not weak.

00:32:42.020 And what we now know.

00:32:44.220 So there was a letter that was sent by two of my colleagues, Roger Wicker and Marco Rubio,

00:32:47.980 which the letter alleges that a the undersecretary of defense for policy, a guy named Colin Call, who is a left wing activist.

00:32:59.300 He is a hard partisan.

00:33:01.500 He's someone who has a long history of misusing classified information and being willing to leak it for political and partisan purposes.

00:33:13.540 What the Wicker Rubio letter alleges is that it was Colin Call who is the one that put out there that it had happened under the Trump administration.

00:33:22.760 But what we also know now is that when Call told that to reporters, he omitted one really critical fact, which is the Trump administration didn't know about it.

00:33:36.080 Trump didn't know about it.

00:33:37.780 You know, you remember afterwards there were lots of folks.

00:33:40.180 Mike Pompeo went on TV and said, I don't know what they're talking about.

00:33:42.760 I don't know anything about this.

00:33:44.120 The head of the director of national intelligence under Trump said, I don't know what they're talking about.

00:33:48.400 Now, Colin Call knew that the Trump administration was unaware of these Chinese balloons.

00:33:56.400 They omitted that detail because they wanted to say Biden's not weak.

00:34:00.860 Trump did the same thing.

00:34:02.020 Well, you know what?

00:34:02.940 You can't shoot down a balloon that you're not aware at the time it's there.

00:34:06.300 And so he deliberately either leaked or potentially declassified the documents.

00:34:14.380 So Colin Call has a history of doing both, of playing fast and loose with classified documents.

00:34:19.660 But in this case, doing it in a very misleading way because the story ran everywhere.

00:34:26.300 This happened three times under Trump and he did nothing without including the really critical fact that they were unaware of it at the time and the government only found out later.

00:34:37.300 This is a big deal and there's a reason every single Republican in the Senate voted against confirming Colin Call because he's a partisan activist rather than someone taking seriously the job of defending this nation.

00:34:52.840 And look, this goes right back to where the podcast started.

00:34:55.800 In law school, whether you're on the left or right, you are training to become an attorney, a member of the bar, you're training to acquire skills, you're training to learn how to think like a lawyer, you're training to be able to represent a client in front of a judge.

00:35:09.660 Even a judge you disagree with, even a judge who may rule against your client, even if in look in a capital murder case, it could be a judge who might sentence your clients to death.

00:35:21.000 In the defense department, likewise, if you're charged with defending this nation from our enemies, it is a grave and serious responsibility.

00:35:41.360 And this is another example where you put hardcore partisans into those positions.

00:35:47.860 They elevate their partisanship above the seriousness of their responsibility.

00:35:53.280 And in this instance, leak classified information and do so affirmatively misleadingly.

00:36:01.220 I feel like I ask you this question far too often.

00:36:04.340 Will he get in trouble for this leaking this?

00:36:08.240 You're still a hardcore no, because the same people are in charge of the deep state.

00:36:12.120 The Biden White House wants him to do this.

00:36:14.980 I suspect the Biden White House was celebrating.

00:36:18.940 This is these are the same people that wrote the Biden budget.

00:36:23.880 These are hard partisans that Biden has populated this administration with.

00:36:28.800 And so I suspect they were giving him high fives because when when all the news began covering, oh, Trump did the same thing.

00:36:39.900 Suddenly, their PR PR crisis, they had a reprieve from it.

00:36:44.860 And look, we talked about on the pod how the entire Chinese spy balloon, the Biden White House didn't treat as a national security matter, didn't treat as an espionage matter.

00:36:55.040 It treated as a public relations matter.

00:36:57.340 It treated as a communications endeavor.

00:36:59.460 It's why after Biden's weakness was exposed by allowing the spy balloon to complete its mission, he shot down three random things in the sky that we still don't know what they are.

00:37:12.260 You know, we think one of them was like a high school science project that he sent a four hundred thousand dollar missile to shoot down a twelve dollar balloon.

00:37:20.140 But the purpose wasn't to take it out.

00:37:24.060 The purpose was to have a press release.

00:37:26.660 See tough man Biden, him shoot thing down.

00:37:29.800 These are not people who are serious about protecting America.

00:37:34.940 These are partisans engaged in public relations who believe in violence.

00:37:42.000 Look, when the Stanford law students are screaming down the judge, that's no different than the rioters and protesters that show up at the homes of the state.

00:37:50.140 The justices screaming and threatening their families and Merrick Garland, the attorney general, refuses to enforce the law and prosecute them, even though it's a federal crime.

00:38:00.680 Merrick Garland agrees with them and Biden agrees with them.

00:38:04.920 And you can see what it is in those screaming students at Stanford Law School.

00:38:08.700 Couldn't I couldn't agree with you more.

00:38:09.960 Senator, always a pleasure.

00:38:11.440 I'm going to get to do one bonus thing here.

00:38:13.740 I'm trying to get the senator to golf a little bit.

00:38:16.140 A Texan has won the fifth major, the players.

00:38:20.280 But the cool story is, Senator, this real quick is Scotty Scheffler, a Texan, his 88-year-old grandmother walked every single hole with him this week.

00:38:32.460 All 72 holes at 88 years old.

00:38:35.740 He's bringing back the players to Texas.

00:38:38.000 I thought that was a cool note to end on.

00:38:40.440 Age is just a number.

00:38:41.560 Clearly, this grandmother, and she's been following him all week.

00:38:44.720 I love stories when you see him like this.

00:38:47.020 That's spectacular and a good thing.

00:38:51.120 It's a feel-good story, no doubt about it.

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - March 13, 2023

Angry Children at Stanford Law School Shout Down a Federal Judge, Biden's Out-of-Control Budget & DOD Caught Leaking Classified Docs to Spin Chinese Spy Balloon

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