Biden DOJ Spied on Susie Wiles & Kash Patel plus a Tale of Two Olympians and Dems No Longer Proud of America
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Ben Fergusons (D-Montana) join me to discuss the latest breaking news that the FBI spied on Donald Trump, including on his campaign manager and Director of the FBI, when he was a private citizen.
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It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you as well.
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If you're listening on the radio around the country, we've got a lot to talk about in
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And Senator, I tell you what, it's a very interesting moment with this new breaking
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news that apparently there was a lot of spying going on on people in and around Donald Trump,
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Well, just when you think the abuse of power from the Joe Biden Department of Justice and
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We now have evidence that the Biden-FBI spied upon, number one, Susie Wiles, who was then
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President Trump's campaign manager, and number two, Cash Patel, who is obviously now the director
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They spied on him when he was a private citizen.
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It is part of a broader pattern of the Democrats being willing to abuse power to do anything
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humanly possible to stop Donald Trump from being reelected.
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Secondly, we're going to talk about a tale of two Olympians.
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We're going to talk about the comparison between Alyssa Liu and Eileen Gu.
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And the two are about as far apart as they could possibly be.
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And the media reacted fundamentally differently.
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And then finally, we're going to talk about what is really concerning data, that Democrats
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We saw that on display at the State of the Union.
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But we're also seeing that in polling numbers in a way that is really concerning, and it points
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We're going to lay out the data and talk about what it means.
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All right, Senator, so let's get into this first topic.
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Every time you think that the deep state can't get any worse, then something like this happens.
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Allegedly now, the FBI under Biden was secretly obtaining, and I'm quoting now,
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Susie Wilds, that's the Chief of Staff of the President of the United States of America's
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phone records, including from when she was Trump's campaign manager.
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And they even recorded apparently a phone call she had with her lawyer
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while her lawyer knew the phone call was being recorded, allegedly, but she did not know it.
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So you want to talk about attorney-client privilege?
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Oh, and then, by the way, the FBI director now, Cash Patel, yeah, they were also spying
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They were spying on everybody, including the campaign.
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So we now know that the Biden, FBI, and DOJ under Jack Smith, it was engaged in a massive
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And it was a dragnet targeted at clearly the nexus of all evil, the villains that they
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And by that, I mean Republicans, especially Republicans who supported Donald J. Trump.
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They subpoenaed the phone records of 20 percent of the Republicans in the United States Senate,
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By the way, not just my personal phone records, they literally subpoenaed my office phone
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Now, these guys were actually not very competent with respect to me.
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They subpoenaed the general number in my office that has every person who calls in to complain
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about a pothole, to complain about whatever they're angry about.
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So these guys are, let me just say, the Nobel Prize for physics, they're not in the running
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What is now released is that they also, in addition to 400 different Republicans, Turning
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Point USA, different conservative groups, they went after Susie Wiles and Kash Patel.
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At least 10 FBI employees who worked for former special counsel Jack Smith's investigation
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into President Trump's retention of classified records after he left the White House in 2021
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were fired on Wednesday, multiple sources told CBS News.
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The firings came after Reuters reported that the FBI had subpoenaed records of phone calls
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made by FBI Director Kash Patel and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, when they were both
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still private citizens as part of Smith's probe into Trump.
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The Reuters article quoted Patel, who alleged that the FBI had secretly subpoenaed his phone
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records, quote, using flimsy pretexts and burying the entire proceeds in prohibited case
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The Reuters article added that it had not independently verified any of Patel's claims.
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Patel did not provide any evidence of wrongdoing by the staff who were terminated.
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And you go on to say, CBS News confirmed with a source familiar with the matter that Wiles'
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record were reviewed as part of the documents case, but was unable to verify whether Patel's
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In the case involving the 2020 election, known as Arctic Frost, by the way, that is named after
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a disease that strikes oranges in the state of Florida, like the fruit oranges.
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The name of the FBI investigation was essentially a pun on Orange Man Bad.
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This is a disease that kills oranges in Florida.
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We, the FBI, Democrats using our power, are a disease killing oranges in Florida.
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If you look at this, what is interesting, as you mentioned, number one, the reporting
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is that Susie Wiles was on a phone call with her lawyer.
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And then the claim is that her lawyer knew that the FBI was intercepting the call.
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Her lawyer at the time, a guy named Hank Cox, claims, I didn't know, I don't know what
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I've never, I've never known of any client of mine being intercepted and taped while I
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I got to say, my reaction, and, you know, you read a minute ago that story, it may not
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have horrified you at the same level it did me.
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As a lawyer, the idea, if I'm your lawyer, and by the way, if I'm your lawyer, I mean,
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good God, there's a lot of criminal conduct I could be representing you for.
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I let you borrow a dollar one time, that's a retainer, is how I look at it.
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But the idea for any lawyer that you would know law enforcement was taping your conversation
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Like, you would lose your license if you did that, correct?
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So before we, before we started recording this, I literally jumped on my phone.
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I'm like, wait a second, as a lawyer, you can't do that.
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That means you don't get to be a lawyer ever again.
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I was gratified in a sense, I don't know this particular fellow, Hank Cox, but he at least
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I don't know what the facts are, but I hope we drill down and find the facts.
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Regardless, Jack Smith and the Biden DOJ, there were no bounds of propriety other than
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I want to go to the politics of this for a second.
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What I find very interesting, Senator, about this story is the timeline of when they were
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If you are spying and listening in on Susie Wilds, for example, she was in many ways the
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de facto campaign manager for Donald Trump early on.
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She was going to be involved in the campaign in every decision.
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There was a lot of people wondering if Trump was going to run or not.
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And if you're listening to those phone calls, you're listening in, I would assume, to everything
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that deals with the campaign or campaign strategy.
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You can see who she's talking to, who they may be calling, prospective donors, people they
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may want to get on their staff on the campaign.
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That is interference in election, in my opinion, because you're spying on your political opponent.
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They were spying on Trump's campaign in 2016 as well.
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He was also going to be involved in the campaign and heavily involved.
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So those two things right there, the timeline, that's the part I think is so egregious here.
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It's like, hey, all right, who we're going to be up against?
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Well, let's just listen in and see what their campaign strategy is.
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Well, Ben, as you know, the third book I wrote was called Justice Corrupted, How the
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And I think the man was a total and complete crook.
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Now, I also think the deep state conspired against him.
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And yet, even as bad as it was, there was a limit to how much they went after him.
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And in fact, a number of people in the deep state resisted Nixon's efforts to weaponize
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What Richard Nixon tried to do, Barack Obama succeeded in doing.
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And much of this cancer in the government started with Barack Obama, who turned the machinery
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of the federal government to a weapon to attack his political opponents.
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The alphabet soup, every federal agency, was weaponized to go after Obama's political opponents.
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Then, to the shock of all of them, Donald Trump gets elected in 2016.
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Now, we know that the Obama DOJ was spying on Donald Trump the first time he ran.
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When he said that, everybody said he was crazy and lying.
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None of them corrected their stories, of course.
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And when he came into office, a significant mistake President Trump made in the first term
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is he kept James Comey on as the head of the FBI.
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That was a catastrophic mistake, and one that he certainly grew to regret as time went on.
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I think the first Trump White House believed they could get Comey on the reservation, get
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him actually focused on doing his job as head of the FBI, rather than just being a partisan
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And from the earliest days of the Trump administration...
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Look, Michael Flynn, when he was named the incoming national security advisor, James
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Comey and the FBI were already going after him, trying to destroy him.
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They tried to destroy, for four years, the deep state tried to destroy Donald Trump.
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And look, Russia, Russia, Russia, the entire...
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It was literally concocted by Hillary Clinton's research opposition.
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It reminds me of, like, the old Scooby-Doo when the villain has the mask pulled off his face
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and said, you know, I would have succeeded if not for you meddling kids.
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And to be clear, to put this in context, the Steele dossier, the FBI said we'll give you
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They said, look, if you can do this, it's a million.
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So they went to Michael Steele and they said, if you can corroborate any of this, we'll give
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They then classified it at the FBI as user-generated, meaning it's fictitious.
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It's user-generated, meaning they created it out of thin air and they still went forward
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with using it as the basis to go after Donald Trump.
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Look, 25 years ago, I was in the Department of Justice right at the beginning of the George
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That's what he should have said under your nameplate.
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Actually, the more accurate thing is kind of a medium-sized deal.
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I mean, I was not like a summer intern at the time, but not particularly a big deal.
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But when I was at DOJ, the idea that the department would spy on the political opponents of the
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Like, if someone had come in and said, okay, Bush, DOJ, let's spy on Bill Clinton.
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It would have, first of all, been laughed out of the room.
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You'd been like, no, okay, that's not what we do.
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And at a minimum, let's suppose you had really serious evidence.
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You had evidence of, say, some Democrat, I don't know, cutting a deal and sending $1.7
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billion in cash and unmarked pallets to Iran in exchange for a political deal.
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But if you had horrible evidence, the checks and balances in the Department of Justice to
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The entire system would have said, okay, we want a higher threshold.
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We want to be certain that this is not abuse of power.
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And what is amazing is during the Biden DOJ, there were no checks.
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They were drunk with power and the rule of law was utterly and completely forgotten.
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All right, Senator, let's talk about the Olympics.
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There were so many cool stories out of the Olympics.
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Obviously, celebrating hockey, that kind of took everything over when that happened.
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But there were some other really incredible and important stories in these Olympics.
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And one of them that just is something we've got to talk about is involved not only China,
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but also America's gold medalists who won in figure skating.
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Well, look, we obviously have the incredible victory of winning the gold in both men's hockey
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And I've got to say, that moment was extraordinary at the State of the Union.
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It was wonderful to see the men's gold-winning Olympic hockey team there.
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But there's also a story that got some coverage, but I think it's worth going back and focusing
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It was a contrast between Alyssa Liu and Eileen Gu.
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Let's start with Alyssa, because Alyssa's story is extraordinary.
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And I want to read from a tweet from a fellow named Afshine Amrani.
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I don't know who this person is, but I thought the way he wrote it was very effective.
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In 1989, Arthur Liu fled China as a political refugee after the Tiananmen Square massacre.
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He came to America with nothing but a dream for a free life.
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Decades later, his daughter Alyssa Liu became the face of Team USA.
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Before the 2020 Beijing Olympics, the FBI uncovered a brazen spying operation.
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The Chinese government tried to stalk them on U.S. soil.
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Pressure her to turn her back on the country that gave her family refuge.
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The FBI had to give them 24-7 security just so she could compete.
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She walked away from the sport for two years to find her soul again.
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In a flawless performance to Donna Summer's MacArthur Park, Alyssa Liu just did the impossible.
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The first American woman to win individual gold in 24 years.
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She skated for the freedom her father risked everything for.
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She won for the flag that protected her family when the world felt small.
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Now, I've got to say, I want to give listeners some background into this show.
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The way you and I record this pod is we sit down right before recording it, and we go through all the stories that are in the news.
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We say, all right, what do we want to talk about?
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Like, you and I don't know what we're going to say.
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And I want everyone to know Ben is like, no, no, no.
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So my dad's, you know, from up north, and that was like one thing.
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They would take us skating as kids, and then we would skate on the ponds.
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I basically wobble around the skate rink and hold onto the walls the whole time.
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Like, four-year-olds come skating past me and are like, get out of the way, like you terrible thing.
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I can picture this, and I believe you completely that you're not overselling that point at all.
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I'm not, but let's just say for the record, I can kick your ass at basketball.
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And to be clear, I've broken your finger playing basketball.
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The kicking the A part, at some point we might need a one-on-one game just so the audience knows the score here.
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Look, you've got mass and strength, but I'm just saying you can't shoot to save your life.
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Look, some of it is as the child of a refugee from Cuba.
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And listen, there's a contrast with her and Eileen Gu.
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The Chinese Communist government said, we will give you millions of dollars to compete for China.
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Like some reports have been upwards of six million plus.
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Now, I've got to say, in the conservative media, there's been a world of hate pounded and dumped on Eileen.
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I mean, look, if I were in college, no one – there have been reports she received, like, $14 million.
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And there is something of a tradition in the Olympics.
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You think about the NBA, where you have all these stars.
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You know, Victor Wembenyamu in the NBA competes for France.
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They have lots of people who are from other countries.
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They're not like you're a horrible human being.
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The reason why this one is different is when you grow up in America and you do everything in America and you're a part of this country and this country supports you, and then because someone throws money at you, you defect to communist China.
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That's the difference between if you come into the league from another country and you play in the NBA and then you go back to – like, when I played tennis, a lot of the guys from smaller countries would go back and play Davis Cup or the Olympics for their team.
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Like, there was teammates of mine that made their Olympic team.
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They were from, you know, Kazakhstan or smaller nations, and they were the best in their country.
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But when you're in America and you're an American citizen, then you're like, all right, I'm literally defecting and going to go do this for China, and it's solely for a big payday.
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It was – from an athlete's standpoint, I get the money, but it is different than if you're in the NBA and you're from France like Marc Gasol and Pau Gasol, and they go and play against the USA in that game.
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To be clear, the Gasols are from Spain, not France.
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Look, we Latins don't like when you call us French, like that is getting it wrong.
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So it is different when you go and play for the country you were born and grew up in.
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And both Alyssa and Eileen were born in and grew up in America, so that is different.
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That being said, there was some real vitriol directed at Eileen.
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And listen, she's a 20-year-old Olympic athlete.
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If you decide, I want to compete for China, I want to win the gold medal for China, you
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I want 1.3 billion people in China to root for me.
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And I want to beat the United States of America.
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I'm going to root for the athletes that say I'm competing for America.
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I'm not – I thought people were a little bit overwrought in condemning Eileen Gu.
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But she made the decision she wants the Chinese to root for.
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And to be clear, when she made that decision, she's saying, I want the United States of America
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And the contrast with Alyssa Liu, she was offered millions of dollars.
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Senator, I also think just a really cool part of the story is Alyssa Liu's father.
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But, like, this is a guy that sacrificed everything, had to flee the country, comes to America.
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He is literally being attacked and still being hunted by the Chinese government to the
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And on top of that, stays focused to make his daughter an Olympic gold medalist while
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having to look over his shoulder to the point where the FBI had to give them protection.
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By the way, if they took the money, I'm assuming they wouldn't need protection anymore, right?
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And I will say one aspect of this story that I really like.
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According to the Internet, according to Twitter, apparently Alyssa Liu is politically liberal.
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And so leftists are like, you conservatives can't cheer her on because she is allegedly woke.
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I don't know if she's politically liberal or not, but you know what?
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She competed for America when she was standing there.
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She's cheering for America, and I'm cheering for her.
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And I don't give a damn if she votes for Barack Obama or Joe Biden.
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She's an American, and I'm proud to cheer her on.
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Senator, I want to go back to the dad, Alyssa Liu's father.
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He did an interview recently, and it was just a little bit about the story of the political
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pressure that he was under from China, that they were under from China.
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And just to be able to get through this much pressure and still pursue the dreams of your
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Ahead of the 2022 winter in Beijing, the Justice Department and FBI said that China actually
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sent individuals to track and target you and your family, including her, ahead of the Olympics.
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Talk to us about what that, what was Beijing's motivation?
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Well, because of my background, because I was wanted by the Chinese government back in 1989.
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And after I came to America, I also continued to organize protests in front of the Chinese
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consulate in San Francisco, some protests and hunger strikes in front of the Chinese embassy
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The Chinese government never let me go and continue to spy on me.
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And before the Winter Olympic Games in 2022, I was, you know, I got a phone call from somebody
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who claimed to be from the U.S. Olympic Committee and wanted copies of my passport
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And then the FBI informed me that the Chinese government is spying on me.
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And of course, I was concerned about Alisa going to China to compete.
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Yeah, I'd have a lot of concerns as a father as well.
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And I got to say, Alisa's Olympic gold performance, it was beautiful.
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It was, there was a sense of joy and abandon in watching it that was really fabulous.
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There's a great image I love, a photo taken from above as she's like spinning and looking up.
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It's actually incredibly controlled, joyful skill.
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And I got to say, you would think everyone would be proud of America watching that.
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But what is amazing, so there was recent polling numbers that came out from Gallup that are highly concerning, that showed that not everyone is proud of America anymore.
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And if you look at just the generic question, U.S. adults pride in being American, 2001 to 2025.
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So in 2001, 87% said they were extremely very proud.
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And you might say, well, I don't know what's driving that.
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But actually, the second chart is even more concerning.
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Because it's not just everyone's losing faith in America.
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It's not just that everyone is no longer proud of being American.
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And I want to focus on this chart that Gallup put out.
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So in 2001, 90% of Republicans were very proud of being American.
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87% of Democrats were very proud of being American.
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And by the way, 84% of independents were very proud.
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They were all within a few points of each other.
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Basically everyone, whether you were a Democrat or Republican, everyone, 87%, 90% said, I'm very proud of being American.
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So 2005, 2001, 90% of Republicans were very proud of America, to be American.
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In 2005, 92% of Republicans are very proud to be an American.
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So it actually has gone up a little bit for Republicans.
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So almost a 50-50 split that you're prideful in this country and you don't have pride in this country.
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And I want to say the next stat is even more horrifying.
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I think the majority of Democrats hate this country.
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So the differential, if you're Republican, 92% of you are proud to be an American.
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If you're Democrat, only 36% are very proud to be an American.
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I wonder, by the way, how much of that, Senator, do you think is our public school system and our universities,
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like training up an entire generation to be ashamed of America?
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And frankly, look, going back to the story we just covered, again, I don't know Eileen Gu, but she's at Stanford.
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I assume she's been raised by leftists all her life.
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You know, she was asked, what do you think about the Communist Party committing a genocide against Uyghurs,
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having over a million Uyghurs in concentration camps?
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I don't mean to pass judgment on her, but I'm just saying that is the fruit of leftists controlling our education system,
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that's saying you cannot have a view, is mass murder good or bad?
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I'm sorry, leftists say, no, America's always bad.
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You cannot have a view on over a million people in concentration camps, on human slavery, on torture, on murder.
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And look, we saw this at the State of the Union.
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The moment that I thought defined the whole State of the Union address is when President Trump turned to the Democrats
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and he said, okay, I'm going to give you a chance to decide right now.
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Stand up if you believe our first priority should be to fight for American citizens and not illegal aliens.
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And every single Democrat, all of them, 100 percent, stayed sitting.
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By the way, that image is going to be played on a million campaign ads.
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I was talking to a very senior official in the Trump White House today,
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and I was congratulating him on an incredibly successful State of the Union, and I brought that up.
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He kind of laughed, and he said, yeah, I argued against that.
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Look, I'm not very good at putting myself in the shoes of being a Democrat, but I would think.
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If I was a Democrat and heard that, I would have stood up and said, yeah, we stand for American citizens and not illegals.
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Like 12 seconds ago, that would have been what they did.
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They're all so indoctrinated that every single one said, nope, we're with illegals and not American citizens.
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