Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 13, 2023


Biden Impeachment： Dems LYING When They Say ＂No Direct Evidence＂


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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) reacts to a prisoner swap with Iran on the anniversary of 9/11, and explains why this is a terrible idea and what it means for the long-term future of relations with Iran.

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00:00:05.420 Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:08.940 A massive news day with impeachment and Kevin McCarthy announcing
00:00:12.780 that the Republicans in the House are going to move forward.
00:00:15.540 We're going to do a very deep dive into that,
00:00:18.400 explain everything that's happening and what's going to happen
00:00:21.000 in the days and weeks and months ahead.
00:00:22.840 But before we get to that, Senator, there was also some other shocking news,
00:00:26.720 and that is that the House was informed, Congress was informed,
00:00:30.340 on the anniversary of 9-11 that there was going to be a prisoner swap with Iran.
00:00:37.320 And, oh, by the way, we're going to send them,
00:00:39.260 basically allow them to get their hands on $6 billion that they had in assets.
00:00:45.060 This is a terrible move, in my opinion.
00:00:48.180 I want to get your take on this.
00:00:49.500 It's shocking this happened, especially notifying Congress on the anniversary of 9-11.
00:00:53.940 Well, it's outrageous and it's dangerous.
00:00:57.220 On September 11th, I was in New York City.
00:01:00.560 I was at the fire station that lost the most firefighters at Ground Zero.
00:01:07.240 Fifteen firefighters from the station I was at never returned,
00:01:12.560 and I had the opportunity to speak at a memorial and to thank the families that were grieving those heroes.
00:01:19.720 And I pointed out, you know, the word hero is used cheaply a lot of times to refer to athletes,
00:01:27.200 to refer to musicians.
00:01:29.880 Hero doesn't apply to any of them.
00:01:32.160 The men who charged in to burning buildings,
00:01:37.920 knowing they were headed to certain death, they are heroes.
00:01:40.880 And it was really an extraordinary honor to give tribute to them
00:01:45.820 and to try to tell the story for young people of what happened on September 11th.
00:01:51.400 While we're there remembering, Joe Biden couldn't bother to show up.
00:01:55.560 But to add insult to injury,
00:01:58.200 Joe Biden announces that he's given $6 billion to the Ayatollah, 0.77
00:02:04.400 a radical Islamic theocrat who regularly chants death to America and death to Israel.
00:02:13.420 The $6 billion is in exchange for five Americans.
00:02:18.440 On top of that, there are another five Iranians that are being released.
00:02:22.280 At this point, they have not publicly said who they are or what they've done.
00:02:25.800 I'm sure it's bad because if it weren't bad, they would have told us already.
00:02:30.520 There are lots of reasons why this is wrong,
00:02:33.080 one of which is this money, the $6 billion will go directly to fund terrorism.
00:02:40.180 This money.
00:02:40.900 Oh, no, no.
00:02:41.360 The Biden administration promised us their words,
00:02:44.180 this will only go for humanitarian issues.
00:02:48.320 They were saying the $6 billion will never be used for anything bad at all.
00:02:53.020 What's even worse than that is the lie
00:02:54.720 is the Iranian president came out and said,
00:02:56.860 we'll spend the money from the prisoner swap how we want. 0.97
00:02:59.680 In other words, screw you, Biden. 0.98
00:03:00.820 You're lying to the American people about it. 0.99
00:03:03.080 And we'll do whatever the hell we want with the money.
00:03:05.340 The exact quote from Iran's president was that the funds will be used,
00:03:09.340 quote,
00:03:10.120 wherever we need it.
00:03:12.260 And it is a metaphysical certainty.
00:03:14.180 This money will be used to fund terrorism.
00:03:16.380 Why?
00:03:16.680 Because Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world. 0.98
00:03:19.620 That Americans will be murdered. 1.00
00:03:21.380 Israelis will be murdered. 0.99
00:03:22.500 And it's not just $6 billion because they're also refusing to enforce sanctions,
00:03:27.940 which collectively is tens of billions or even hundreds of billions of dollars to fund terrorism.
00:03:33.180 This is part of a secret nuclear deal.
00:03:36.260 The Biden administration doesn't want to take a nuclear deal to Congress because they know they can't get it through Congress.
00:03:41.180 So they're doing it in secret.
00:03:43.180 And on top of that,
00:03:44.860 this creates an incentive for every tin pot dictator in the world to seize more Americans. 0.86
00:03:51.180 They're setting the going rate at $1.2 billion per American hostage.
00:03:56.400 More Americans will be taken hostage because of this.
00:03:59.280 And to do it on the anniversary of 9-11 is disgusting and it's dangerous.
00:04:03.620 There was something else in here, Senator, that really shocked me.
00:04:06.420 In all of the most recent prisoner swaps that we've had,
00:04:11.480 we knew who we were trading and who they were and what they had done.
00:04:15.540 Whether it was Brittany Griner in Russia, we knew that we were trading the merchant of death.
00:04:19.520 Whether when it was Bo Bergdahl, we knew the people that we were trading, for example, in Afghanistan.
00:04:25.440 And we knew their resume of terror, what they'd done.
00:04:28.600 I can't find anywhere, and I want to know as a member of Congress,
00:04:31.980 have you been briefed on who the five Iranians are that they're getting back?
00:04:36.940 And what the hell have they done?
00:04:38.800 So I have not.
00:04:39.920 I assume that at some point we will be.
00:04:42.100 And I also assume at some point the names and what they did will be made public.
00:04:47.220 I very much hope so.
00:04:48.940 But this is profoundly dangerous.
00:04:52.660 When you funnel billions of dollars to theocratic homicidal maniacs, 0.67
00:04:58.420 you endanger lives.
00:04:59.900 And it is tragically a certainty that Americans will die because of this decision from the Biden administration.
00:05:07.560 And to do it on the anniversary of 9-11 shows really a complete lack of awareness of the magnitude of the threat.
00:05:15.940 To be clear, and I think this goes back to 9-11, Iran killed more or helped kill more and dismember more Americans with roadside bombs 0.89
00:05:25.120 and giving safe haven to terrorists after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan than any other country in the Middle East.
00:05:30.400 By far, not even close.
00:05:32.460 And we just gave them money that they can do, in their words, whatever they want to do with it.
00:05:36.460 Six billion dollars.
00:05:37.720 Is there any way that Congress can stop this or is this a straight-up executive decision and that's it?
00:05:43.120 Well, I'm going to fight for Congress to stop it.
00:05:45.440 But let's be clear.
00:05:46.820 Chuck Schumer and the Democrats will stand with Biden and stand with Iran against America and against our Israeli allies.
00:05:55.580 We're going to keep trying to get answers to these questions, obviously, and we'll keep you updated on it.
00:05:59.280 I do want to deal with, obviously, the massive story of the day that is taking in the headlines,
00:06:04.140 and that's exactly why we wanted to make sure you knew what was going on with Iran, and that is with impeachment.
00:06:08.560 We are moving forward with impeachment on the House side.
00:06:10.940 Kevin McCarthy has come out announcing that.
00:06:13.200 This podcast started with the first impeachment.
00:06:15.320 Did you ever imagine, Senator, that we would be sitting here on this podcast now looking like we're going into a third impeachment when you started this show originally?
00:06:25.720 It really is hard to believe.
00:06:27.140 It's not impeachment number one.
00:06:28.380 It's not impeachment number two.
00:06:29.720 It's impeachment number three of the president, mind you, not even impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas, not impeachment of Merrick Garland.
00:06:37.520 It is the House has formally opened its impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden.
00:06:42.960 And what I want to do in this podcast is really do a deep dive into what that means and where things stand, because it's a big deal.
00:06:52.400 This announcement is a big, big deal.
00:06:55.340 It is consequential.
00:06:57.680 And it's important, listeners to verdict, you know already the details of what's happening,
00:07:05.360 but it's worth breaking down the argument so that you understand it, because I guarantee you,
00:07:11.380 tomorrow at work, tomorrow at school, people are going to be asking about it, family members are going to be asking about it,
00:07:16.940 and you're going to want to know.
00:07:17.840 Now, one of the best ways to assess just the magnitude, the mountain of evidence that has come out,
00:07:25.580 and listen, I've been calling for the House to open impeachment inquiries for months.
00:07:30.360 I think the evidence long ago cleared that threshold, but they've finally done it.
00:07:35.460 It's worth reviewing the bidding in terms of Joe Biden's explanations.
00:07:41.840 Explanation number one that he made on the campaign trail repeatedly, that he made his president repeatedly,
00:07:46.300 is he said he had never discussed, not even once discussed, with Hunter Biden his overseas business dealings.
00:07:52.060 That was explanation number one.
00:07:53.480 There was a minor problem.
00:07:55.020 It was a flat-out bald-faced lie, and it was demonstrably disproven,
00:07:59.660 including by Devin Archer saying some 20 times Joe would call in to talk to Hunter's overseas business partners.
00:08:08.260 So then, explanation number two was Joe Biden was not in business with his son Hunter in his corrupt overseas deals.
00:08:20.060 Now, that's very different from I never discussed it, but they realized they couldn't defend that, so it wasn't in business.
00:08:25.600 So they've run away from not in business anymore.
00:08:27.960 That's no longer defensible, because it's clear the entire business was selling favors from daddy.
00:08:35.780 So, talking point number three, which you're seeing multiple Democrats use word for word,
00:08:41.300 you're seeing the media use word for word, is there is no direct evidence of Joe Biden's involvement, of Joe Biden's corruption.
00:08:52.120 Now, at the outset, that throws Hunter overboard.
00:08:56.680 I think the Democrats have realized, all right, Hunter is crooked as the day is long. 0.72
00:09:00.460 We can't defend this guy, so Hunter to heck with him.
00:09:03.800 But there's no direct evidence of Joe.
00:09:06.840 I want to break that down, because that is false, and it's a lie, and it's every bit as false as Biden never discussed it or wasn't in business with it.
00:09:18.020 But let's take the no direct evidence and explain why it's wrong.
00:09:22.800 Let me start by explaining what direct evidence is.
00:09:26.120 So that's the kind of lawyer word that you see people use, that if you're not a lawyer, you're like, well, what does that even mean?
00:09:31.960 So, in a court of law, there are two types of evidence that are typically relied on to prove a factual matter.
00:09:39.700 Number one is direct evidence.
00:09:42.140 Number two is circumstantial evidence.
00:09:44.880 Direct evidence is evidence that goes directly to a factual matter in dispute.
00:09:51.400 Circumstantial evidence is based on the circumstances you can draw an inference that leads to the factual matter in dispute.
00:10:03.060 All right, what does that mean?
00:10:03.820 Let me give an example.
00:10:05.460 If you go to bed tonight, and you look out the window, and the street is dry and clean,
00:10:12.280 and you wake up in the morning, and you look out the window, and the street is covered in snow,
00:10:16.460 Now, that is circumstantial evidence that it snowed last night.
00:10:23.420 It's pretty damn good circumstantial evidence.
00:10:26.020 Yeah, there's snow.
00:10:27.100 But you were drawing the inference from seeing the snow on the ground that it snowed last night.
00:10:32.540 Now, if you bring in a witness who stayed up all night who said,
00:10:37.280 Ben, I saw it snow last night, that would be direct evidence.
00:10:42.360 The most common type of direct evidence is eyewitness testimony saying, I saw this happen.
00:10:48.380 Now, one of the lies right at the heart of the no direct evidence is, so what?
00:10:55.960 It's not true, but before I get to not true, so what?
00:11:00.100 People are literally convicted of crimes every day based on circumstantial evidence.
00:11:06.340 They are sentenced to jail every day based on circumstantial evidence.
00:11:12.360 So, the modifier direct is how they're getting around the mountain of evidence we've got.
00:11:19.820 But I want to tell you how the statement, there is no direct evidence, is a lie.
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00:12:51.200 So, as I mentioned, there are at least two significant pieces of direct evidence of Joe Biden's involvement in corruption.
00:12:59.640 Piece number one.
00:13:02.540 The heart of the allegations against Joe Biden is bribery.
00:13:07.980 That he solicited and received bribes from foreign oligarchs.
00:13:11.860 You'll recall, and we've talked about this before on VERDICT, that the essence of bribery is quid pro quo.
00:13:20.020 Latin for this, for that.
00:13:23.060 And for bribery, you need to show the official action that was taken.
00:13:28.320 That's the quo.
00:13:29.220 The money or thing of value that was given, that's the quid.
00:13:35.360 And that the two were connected, that's the pro.
00:13:39.260 Well, one of those elements, the official action, is conclusively proven by Joe Biden in his on-camera admission to the Council of Foreign Relations,
00:13:52.720 where he described how he flew to Ukraine.
00:13:54.900 He held a billion dollars of federal tax, federal loan guarantees, hostage, and demanded that the Ukrainian government fire Viktor Shokin,
00:14:07.100 who was the prosecutor who was prosecuting the Ukrainian oligarch. 1.00
00:14:11.620 And Joe Biden, as we all know, as we played on this show many times, says, son of a bitch. 1.00
00:14:16.580 Yeah. 1.00
00:14:17.020 They fired him.
00:14:17.820 And he was gritting, by the way, because he was so prideful.
00:14:21.680 It was the arrogance of that moment.
00:14:23.160 It was like he couldn't help himself.
00:14:24.800 It was like, this is how powerful I was.
00:14:26.820 I could go over to Ukraine and tell them who to fire, and I could own them while it was happening. 0.81
00:14:33.080 And if you watch that video, when I see it, it actually makes me angry because it was a glimpse into the abuse of power that Joe Biden was willing to wield around the world on a litany, probably, of issues.
00:14:46.940 And now we know why he was doing it.
00:14:49.100 It was for the money and for the Biden crime family.
00:14:52.160 That's exactly right.
00:14:53.920 But of the elements of bribery, Joe Biden's confession on tape is direct evidence that he committed one of the critical elements of bribery.
00:15:06.740 Now, we don't yet have direct evidence of every element of the crime, but we have direct evidence of one of the most critical aspects of the crime, which is the quo.
00:15:16.940 That Joe Biden has admitted, and that is unequivocally direct evidence, and it's pretty damn compelling, direct evidence.
00:15:24.200 There's a second very clear instance of direct evidence, and that is Hunter Biden's WhatsApp message to the Chinese communist official.
00:15:34.940 And I want to read it to you again.
00:15:36.380 Hunter Biden texted, quote,
00:15:38.640 I am sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.
00:15:49.380 Tell the director, I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand.
00:15:54.900 That's a shakedown.
00:16:24.680 Now, that is direct evidence.
00:16:27.360 That is a written text sent by Hunter Biden that is direct evidence that he and his father are shaking down a Chinese communist official.
00:16:40.000 It's not circumstantial.
00:16:42.360 It is direct evidence.
00:16:43.700 Now, it is possible that direct evidence is false.
00:16:47.520 Just as if, if Hunter Biden came into court and testified, my father and I shook down a Chinese communist official, he could be lying.
00:16:56.160 Yeah, but I doubt it.
00:16:58.220 You could impeach his credibility.
00:17:00.320 You could say he's lying.
00:17:01.580 But it is direct evidence.
00:17:03.240 Direct evidence doesn't necessarily mean that it is true.
00:17:06.640 Sometimes direct evidence is false.
00:17:08.720 But that's not only direct evidence.
00:17:10.760 It's pretty damn compelling direct evidence.
00:17:13.160 So, I promise you in the next week, you will see multiple Democrats and multiple yabbering puppets in the corporate media say,
00:17:22.700 there's no direct evidence, you know, there's no direct evidence.
00:17:25.320 The appeals say, the allegations of corruption against Joe Biden, of which there is no direct evidence.
00:17:29.960 And they'll state it as a fact.
00:17:31.260 And it is a lie.
00:17:32.780 Every time they say it, they're lying.
00:17:35.140 Because those two are serious pieces of direct evidence.
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00:18:11.760 Let me ask you about, not only that, but let's connect this to Suspicious Activity Reports.
00:18:17.100 Is this the type of stuff that will come out in impeachment when they go through it as saying,
00:18:21.520 hey, we can connect the quid pro quo.
00:18:23.820 We can connect these audio recordings.
00:18:26.080 We can connect the president's words to these financial bank records
00:18:29.580 and all of the bank records that James Comer, on the show,
00:18:32.420 if you missed the podcast we did with him, go back and listen to it.
00:18:35.160 Jim Jordan, the same thing.
00:18:36.720 They have so much evidence with Suspicious Activity Reports
00:18:40.320 and the cash going to the Biden crime family members, right?
00:18:43.420 We know direct payments were going to multiple Biden family members.
00:18:49.000 Is that where this could be so damning to this president, could put his presidency at risk?
00:18:53.320 Absolutely, yes.
00:18:55.220 And let me underscore, if you didn't listen to our two-part series with James Comer,
00:18:59.500 you ought to go back and listen to it because we walk through at length.
00:19:02.200 Now, everything you just listed is circumstantial evidence.
00:19:05.260 And I want to take a minute because there's a ton of circumstantial evidence.
00:19:08.160 And all of the smarmy people on TV who are saying no direct evidence,
00:19:12.760 they're pretending like direct evidence is the only kind of evidence that exists.
00:19:16.200 So, Ben, if there's a dead body and with multiple gunshot wounds.
00:19:25.280 I love how I'm always the bad guy in these scenarios.
00:19:27.620 Have you noticed this?
00:19:28.400 Like, I'm always the bad guy here.
00:19:30.180 I'm ready for it.
00:19:30.740 Keep going.
00:19:31.480 Next to the dead body, it appears that the dead man with his bloody finger scrawled in the ground.
00:19:39.280 Ferguson did it.
00:19:41.000 Ferguson did it.
00:19:42.620 Now, that's not actually direct evidence.
00:19:44.900 And let's say, furthermore, that you're found at home covered in the man's blood
00:19:52.840 with gunpowder covering your body and the murder weapon at your feet.
00:19:59.140 Okay.
00:19:59.620 None of that is direct evidence either.
00:20:02.040 And you know what?
00:20:02.660 You're going away for the rest of your life.
00:20:04.080 Yeah.
00:20:04.220 I don't need any more evidence.
00:20:05.260 Yeah.
00:20:05.720 That evidence, bye-bye.
00:20:07.440 Yeah, you win, I lose.
00:20:09.140 Circumstantial evidence convicts people every single day.
00:20:12.180 So, what is the circumstantial evidence?
00:20:13.660 Look, with James Comer, he walked through the suspicious activity reports over and over and over again.
00:20:20.260 The massive number of suspicious activity reports.
00:20:23.420 The more than 20 shell companies, that is circumstantial evidence.
00:20:27.520 As we talked through with James Comer, you don't create shell companies unless it is to hide the source of cash.
00:20:33.880 That is serious circumstantial evidence.
00:20:35.800 It's the allegations in the FD-1023 from a confidential human source that the FBI had previously found reliable who says that the Ukrainian oligarch told him that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden demanded $5 million each in order for Joe to get the prosecutor fired.
00:20:56.420 Now, that's not direct evidence because the confidential human source doesn't know it directly.
00:21:01.000 He's repeating what he says that the oligarch said.
00:21:06.340 So, that is hearsay, but it is circumstantial evidence and is significant.
00:21:10.120 The 20-plus million dollars that the House of Representatives has already documented that flowed into the Biden family to people, by the way, who by all appearances have no connection to foreign countries.
00:21:23.800 It's just like, hey, I need your bank account and here's some money.
00:21:26.100 It must be nice.
00:21:29.060 That's got to be a fun day.
00:21:30.420 Like, we haven't talked about that enough, Senator.
00:21:32.300 The fact that you could just have the last name Biden and randomly you get, like, a text from Hunter, right, or from Joe that's like, hey, I need your bank account info.
00:21:39.800 I'm going to send you over $100,000.
00:21:42.240 Like, that's got to be kind of cool if you're in that situation where it's just like, hey, yeah, I'm a Biden.
00:21:47.660 Every once in a while, this money just randomly shows up in my bank account with a random LLC because that's what they've been doing for years, if not decades.
00:21:55.520 Well, yes, although it may not be all that cool because, remember, Hunter Biden, in a 2019 text to his daughter, complains about how his father, Joe Biden, made him give him, quote, half his salary.
00:22:07.120 Yeah, half everything, yeah.
00:22:08.080 Look, this is – that, likewise, all of this piles to a mountain of evidence, both direct and circumstantial.
00:22:20.300 And that mountain of evidence is serious, but there's something else.
00:22:26.260 Which is the cover-up.
00:22:28.000 So let's go back to this hypothetical of the guy you whacked, and I don't know why you killed him.
00:22:32.240 I think he was a nice guy.
00:22:33.680 I'm not sure he was, but I'm sure he was a nice guy.
00:22:36.700 But –
00:22:37.120 We should, at the end of the year, just come up with all the possible crimes as examples that I have committed in my – in the last year on verdict and just turn it into a best stuff.
00:22:45.420 Keep going.
00:22:45.900 So, if you're caught on film driving out on a bridge with the gun.
00:22:51.820 I need a legal defense fund now.
00:22:53.500 And flinging the gun.
00:22:55.560 Over the bridge.
00:22:56.280 Over the bridge.
00:22:56.960 Into the water.
00:22:57.600 Now, look, that doesn't prove, if the gun is never recovered, that it's the murder weapon.
00:23:03.740 But if it's the night of the murder.
00:23:05.820 Yeah.
00:23:06.200 And you're doing it really urgently.
00:23:08.700 Secondly, it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence that you are hiding evidence that demonstrates your guilt.
00:23:18.800 And, in fact, you will see in a court of law, if a defendant destroys evidence, a court can instruct the jury to draw a negative inference that that evidence would have demonstrated – would have been bad for them.
00:23:33.500 So, in this instance, we know that Joe Biden had multiple burner phones.
00:23:40.480 We know that he had multiple fake emails, up to 5,400 of them in the National Archives.
00:23:47.020 We know that he emailed Hunter Biden.
00:23:49.700 We know that he emailed Hunter Biden about Ukraine.
00:23:52.380 And we know also that two senior IRS career employees have come forward as whistleblowers and have said the Biden administration engaged, number one, in lying to Congress under oath of felony.
00:24:05.360 Yep.
00:24:05.860 And, number two, in multiple instances of obstruction of justice.
00:24:09.340 And, in particular, it's worth focusing on what was the obstruction of justice.
00:24:13.020 Let's go back to the WhatsApp, to the message that Hunter said.
00:24:16.380 The IRS whistleblowers said they wanted to examine GPS data to determine, well, when Hunter sent that text, was daddy sitting next to him?
00:24:27.500 There's an answer.
00:24:28.100 It's either yes or no.
00:24:29.060 Yeah.
00:24:29.600 If it's yes, that is not direct evidence that Hunter was telling the truth, but it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence.
00:24:39.960 And, according to the IRS whistleblowers, the Biden DOJ said, no, no, no, no, no, you cannot examine the GPS locations.
00:24:48.940 They likewise said, no, you cannot ask anything about Joe.
00:24:51.540 The fact that the Biden Department of Justice is willing to commit felonies, allegedly, according to the whistleblowers, in order to prevent investigation into Joe's involvement is powerful evidence of Joe's significant involvement.
00:25:13.200 Because, just like throwing the gun off the bridge, you don't do it if you didn't do anything wrong.
00:25:18.000 All right, let me ask you this question about this impeachment, compared to the Trump impeachment.
00:25:22.740 The first impeachment, and if you were the lawyer for Trump then, it was more about defending yourself.
00:25:29.940 A friend of mine, Jay Sekulow, as you know, helped with that first impeachment, defended the president.
00:25:34.020 It was more about a vigorous defense of the absurdity of what they were charging Donald Trump with.
00:25:40.480 This is obviously completely different than that.
00:25:44.040 This is a 180 from that. 0.99
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00:25:49.980 And they defended him, I think, pretty well.
00:25:52.100 This impeachment, if you were defending Joe Biden from a legal standpoint, what are your biggest concerns if you're having to meet with Joe Biden?
00:26:01.940 And what are your biggest concerns for his presidency if you're meeting with Joe Biden from a legal standpoint that could come out in this impeachment that maybe has never been, you know, has come out either, A, before you haven't had to at least answer questions for?
00:26:15.780 Your biggest concern is all the evidence against you.
00:26:19.960 The direct evidence, the direct evidence, the evidence that you basically admitted to one of the elements of bribery, the evidence, the text message that your son has been caught shaking down Chinese communist officials for millions of dollars and explicitly threatening that you're the one who would engage in retaliation, that has tied you into it.
00:26:42.700 That direct evidence is certainly troubling, but all the circumstantial evidence would trouble you as well.
00:26:49.420 And look, here's what the Biden White House is going to do.
00:26:54.860 They're going to count on the corporate media to ignore that.
00:26:58.440 They're going to count on the corporate media to echo their talking points.
00:27:01.280 And not cover it like they did the Trump impeachments.
00:27:03.100 To completely ignore it and refuse to address the facts.
00:27:09.920 And every day you will see a night and day difference, not just between the Joe Biden impeachment and the Trump impeachments, but between the Joe Biden impeachment and the ridiculous Trump indictments.
00:27:22.120 There is a world of difference.
00:27:23.920 And we've discussed at great length on this podcast the Trump indictments, which are political and partisan.
00:27:28.700 In this instance, the evidence of actual bribery by the president of the United States is serious and severe.
00:27:38.820 And there's not a single Democrat who is willing to address the merits.
00:27:44.360 They're counting on the press just to take their blanket dismissals.
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00:29:13.760 Senator, I want to ask you also in impeachment real quick about witnesses.
00:29:17.720 Are there people that can now be called that may have to answer for their involvement, whether it's those of the DOJ, whether it's Hunter Biden, whether it's other Biden family members?
00:29:29.520 Walk us through how an impeachment works when it comes to witnesses.
00:29:32.180 Well, Merrick Garland is expected to testify before the House Judiciary Committee in the coming days, and he will certainly face significant questions about the allegations that he personally lied under oath and committed a felony.
00:29:44.720 Now, I assume he'll dodge all of them and defiantly and arrogantly refuse to engage in the substance.
00:29:51.520 I also assume he will get questions about the allegations of obstruction of justice, and I expect Merrick Garland to not be remotely forthcoming.
00:30:00.620 I think at some point you will see David Weiss called before Congress to testify.
00:30:06.620 David Weiss has been directly implicated in the obstruction of justice, which is, I believe, why Merrick Garland named him the, quote, special counsel, because Garland and the Biden DOJ knew they could count on Weiss to protect the big guy.
00:30:18.480 And that's their most important objective. We've talked about how Schwerin, who was the kind of money guy and fixer for Biden, is a very likely witness and could be a very damning witness.
00:30:29.840 And I would anticipate seeing him come. And then we may well, I assume, Hunter Biden, if he's called to testify, will stonewall at this point the legal.
00:30:42.000 What does that look like when you say stonewall? Like, what is that? Is it a tactic or are you saying he just won't answer questions?
00:30:47.060 My assumption is he'll plead the fifth.
00:30:48.980 OK, so you just come in and say, I plead the fifth and that's the end of it.
00:30:51.580 I assume that's the case, given the multiple felonies and the fact that even dad's White House seems to be running away from him.
00:31:02.620 I would be shocked if Hunter Biden said anything else other than on the advice of counsel, I plead the fifth.
00:31:09.760 I will say one other thing, which is this Biden impeachment is demonstrating the utter and complete hypocrisy of congressional Democrats.
00:31:20.680 Let me read what what Chuck Schumer said this week right after the House announced its impeachment.
00:31:27.060 Schumer said, quote, I think the impeachment inquiry is absurd.
00:31:30.660 The American people want us to do something that will make their lives better, not go off on these chases, witch hunts.
00:31:39.420 So Schumer is literally using Trump's language about witch hunts and just repeating word for word what the defense was.
00:31:50.680 Now, look, I think the Biden impeachments of Trump were witch hunts.
00:31:54.080 Ironically, this is not.
00:31:55.340 This is serious evidence that Congress would be derelict if it didn't investigate.
00:32:00.780 Here, by the way, is a quote from from Democrat Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut.
00:32:05.420 Quote, this is what banana dictatorships do is arrest political opponents without any evidence.
00:32:13.820 Now, that's screamingly funny.
00:32:16.620 Yeah.
00:32:17.140 Given that the Democrats have arrested their political opponent like a banana republic.
00:32:23.760 Yeah. 0.97
00:32:24.820 But part of the reasons Democrats can be such total hypocrites is they know the corporate media will never call them out on it. 0.97
00:32:33.760 The corporate media will nod and say, yes, yes, banana republic. 0.99
00:32:36.800 Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.
00:32:38.600 No direct evidence.
00:32:39.900 No direct evidence.
00:32:40.720 And if you take nothing else from this podcast today, remember, every time they say the words no direct evidence, they're lying.
00:32:49.240 So one other thing about this, and this is where people say, OK, we have this thing.
00:32:55.420 It happens.
00:32:56.820 Let's say it is a big deal.
00:32:57.840 Let's say there are some some some, you know, minds that the Democrats step on the White House steps on.
00:33:03.720 We still don't have the votes in the Senate to do anything about it.
00:33:06.560 Right.
00:33:06.800 That's what they're going to.
00:33:07.580 That's what people that are cynical and frustrated are going to say about this.
00:33:11.340 So how should we be looking at this impeachment?
00:33:15.300 Is this should should should should people that are listening look at it from a standpoint of, hey, we're getting the truth out there in a very big way about Joe Biden before he's running for reelection.
00:33:24.620 And that can be extremely powerful.
00:33:26.340 And in other words, judgment day may be election day.
00:33:30.060 Or should we look at it and be frustrated and cynical because, like, well, even if we nail this thing in the House, it ain't going to pass the Senate.
00:33:36.420 So he's not going to be impeached and lose his job over this.
00:33:39.280 What mindset, what hat should listeners put on?
00:33:42.020 So a little bit of both.
00:33:43.700 Listen, the cynicism is not misplaced.
00:33:47.120 Senate Democrats and House Democrats do not care what evidence there is of Joe Biden being corrupt of his soliciting and receiving bribes from foreign oligarchs.
00:33:56.020 They don't care.
00:33:57.400 Partisan politics trumps everything. 0.87
00:33:59.300 To use my hypothetical, if the dead guy had scrawled in blood, Ferguson did it with Joe Biden.
00:34:07.020 Yeah.
00:34:07.700 And Joe Biden walked out covered in his blood.
00:34:13.080 Democrats would be like nothing to see here.
00:34:15.500 Remind people what the makeup of the Senate right now.
00:34:18.100 Makeup of the Senate is 51 Democrats, 49 Republicans.
00:34:20.960 All right.
00:34:21.220 We've heard about some people maybe becoming independent.
00:34:23.300 We've heard, you know, wishy washy things about Joe Manchin, for example.
00:34:26.120 Is there any scenario where the evidence could be so damning on the House side that you could flip two different people in the Senate?
00:34:34.640 It wouldn't matter if you flip two because you need two thirds.
00:34:37.520 You need 67.
00:34:38.640 There you go.
00:34:39.220 And right now we have zero.
00:34:40.960 Right now we have zero Democrats who, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not aware of a single Democrat who's even asked a skeptical question, who has even said, well, you know, if Biden did in fact solicit and receive bribes from foreign nationals, that would be a problem.
00:34:55.480 No Democrat has even said that.
00:34:57.600 And you contrast this to Richard Nixon.
00:34:59.700 Listen, the reason Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace is Republicans turned on him.
00:35:04.180 They turned on him when the evidence got overwhelming.
00:35:06.040 And they had the two thirds.
00:35:07.160 And I don't believe Democrats would ever, ever, ever turn on Biden because partisanship matters more than anything.
00:35:14.760 But be that as it may, that does not mean that impeachment is a waste of time because it is the only way to put these facts before the American people.
00:35:25.700 And in a sane and normal world, the Department of Justice would investigate and prosecute him.
00:35:31.500 We'd get a special counsel who was independent, who was consistent with the DOJ rules, was not an employee of DOJ, and actually would investigate and convene a grand jury and potentially prosecute these crimes.
00:35:44.440 The Biden DOJ won't do that because it's the most partisan and political DOJ we've ever seen.
00:35:49.840 But putting these facts before the American people is valuable nonetheless.
00:35:54.720 But to be clear, a critical part of that is what we're doing right now on verdict, which is the million people who listen to verdict.
00:36:02.780 All of y'all now have the information when you go and you're talking to your brother-in-law, you're talking to your co-worker, you're talking to your classmate.
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00:36:18.420 You now know how to refute that.
00:36:20.140 And that is powerful.
00:36:21.560 That has a multiplier effect.
00:36:24.000 And it's how I believe ultimately you force accountability.
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00:37:52.320 Last question on this, and that is the politics of overplaying your hand.
00:37:56.540 I said on my podcast today, I always worry because you've noticed this in the polls.
00:38:01.840 Biden poll numbers right now are not good.
00:38:03.540 And the media seems to be telling more of the truth about how bad the poll numbers are.
00:38:09.360 And the majority of Americans now say they do believe that Joe Biden was corrupt in some manner with his son in the business dealings.
00:38:15.200 That's significant.
00:38:16.740 CNN even came out.
00:38:18.480 PBS on Sunday, they even had one of their commentators who said,
00:38:21.420 I underestimated Joe Biden's involvement with Hunter Biden and the Biden family businesses.
00:38:28.540 Is there a concern that if the Republicans play this too strong and don't take their time to lay out the evidence that this could backfire in the same way?
00:38:37.460 And again, I'm asking from a political standpoint that every time the Democrats indict Donald Trump, what happens?
00:38:45.060 Republicans stand behind Donald Trump even more.
00:38:47.240 They send him money.
00:38:48.400 They support him.
00:38:49.840 His poll numbers go up.
00:38:51.520 Is there a concern that if Republicans don't nail this the right way, that this actually galvanizes people that maybe are wishy-washy on Biden?
00:38:59.620 And then it actually helps him stand up better than he is right now.
00:39:02.840 Yeah, look, that is conceivable.
00:39:05.000 And there's no doubt that the multiple indictments against Trump have added a lot of points, at least 10 points to his numbers in the primary,
00:39:13.280 because Republicans have understandably gotten pissed off that it's obviously a political persecution.
00:39:18.700 So that counsels that the Republicans in the House need to proceed carefully.
00:39:23.160 They need to be facts-based.
00:39:24.240 They need to be evidence-based.
00:39:25.460 They need to not have it appear political.
00:39:28.260 Now, in today's world, there will be people who naturally assume it's political, but that is certainly a vulnerability to be aware of.
00:39:37.320 Another vulnerability is, at some point, the Democrats and or the media might decide that Joe Biden is too wounded and jettison him and try to parachute someone else in.
00:39:47.360 And I think that remains a very real risk.
00:39:49.560 We're going to talk about that a lot more on the podcast, but not on this one.
00:39:53.080 Yeah, there was an interesting article this week that mentioned five other names that came out all of a sudden of,
00:39:58.020 if Joe Biden doesn't run, who's this going to be?
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