Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 17, 2021


Biden’s Bullsh＊t


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51 minutes

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174.79668

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9,048

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757

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast, guaranteed human.
00:00:04.040 President Biden and the Biden administration have presided over the worst foreign policy
00:00:10.160 catastrophe in a generation. Americans across the nation are horrified. Our servicemen and
00:00:17.200 women, our active duty military are angry, they're disillusioned, and they're frustrated.
00:00:22.600 Our enemies across the globe are emboldened, which makes the world more dangerous today
00:00:30.640 for America, and our allies are dispirited. Ever since the disaster began unfolding in
00:00:37.080 Afghanistan, we've seen the Biden administration making political excuses. We've seen Democrats
00:00:44.660 on this committee explaining at great length how everything that happened in Afghanistan
00:00:49.980 is Trump's fault. It's all Trump's fault. Mr. Secretary, Joe Biden is the President of
00:00:58.040 the United States. Kamala Harris is the Vice President of the United States. You are the
00:01:02.280 United States Secretary of State. Just like Jimmy Carter owns the disaster of the Iran hostage
00:01:11.420 crisis. You own this.
00:01:19.860 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. I am Michael Knowles, joined by Senator Cruz. Senator,
00:01:26.780 I am really glad that I am not on the losing end of a hearing from you. I almost felt bad for Secretary
00:01:34.820 of State Antony Blinken, except listening to what you said to him. It just seems that they totally
00:01:41.180 blew it. Well, they did. And unfortunately, they're not doing any better. It's one thing to screw it up
00:01:47.660 and then say, okay, let's go fix our mistakes. But they're not changing what they're doing. I mean,
00:01:52.940 right now, the Biden administration's focus is all political. They're just trying to spin it. So their
00:01:58.460 talking point, and you saw Democratic senators echoing that in that hearing, is that it's all
00:02:04.480 Trump's fault. It's all Trump's fault. It's all Trump's fault. Don't blame Biden. At one point,
00:02:08.840 Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat from Maryland, suggested we hold hearings on George W. Bush.
00:02:15.380 So it wasn't even just Trump's fault. It's Bush's fault.
00:02:17.980 It's not Obama's fault. It goes all the way back.
00:02:19.780 It skipped Obama just altogether. It went back. It is
00:02:23.260 really screwed up when the only thing they're focused on is politics. And I will say later in
00:02:30.960 that cross-examination that there were two things Blinken admitted to that were really important.
00:02:37.900 Number one, there had been media reports that the Biden administration had given the Taliban a list
00:02:43.720 of Americans and list of Afghans that they wanted to let out. The Biden administration had never
00:02:51.120 confirmed that. And so I asked Blinken flat out, did you give them a list? And he hemmed and hawed.
00:02:57.120 He didn't want to answer that. But finally, and it took two or three times going back at it,
00:03:01.160 he finally said, yes, we gave them a list. I asked him how many. He didn't know how many he gave them.
00:03:07.880 I said thousands. He said, no, not thousands. I said hundreds. Well, maybe hundreds. So we don't know.
00:03:13.340 So the obvious follow-up question now is, okay, you gave the Taliban a list of Americans and a list
00:03:21.080 of Afghanis that you wanted out. What's happened to them? How many of them escaped? How many of them
00:03:27.800 have been hunted down for torture or murder? That is a serious follow-up that needs to happen.
00:03:33.720 Because the argument for the list, for giving the Taliban the list was, here are the people that the
00:03:38.980 Taliban, you have to let out of the country. And you better fulfill your promises, just like you
00:03:43.280 always do. And you better play nice. The way that normal people, I think, are interpreting this is
00:03:47.940 you gave them a kill list. You gave them a list of people to target. So what's going on with them?
00:03:54.740 And the thing to understand is this entire Biden circle, it's like a university faculty lounge.
00:04:00.740 They're so fundamentally naive. They think the Taliban want to be welcomed at a Georgetown cocktail
00:04:09.820 party. They think they care what the United Nations thinks about them. And they fundamentally,
00:04:15.480 it's an ideological extremism, but also this deep naivete. That and incompetence is what led to the
00:04:22.700 disaster in Afghanistan. But a second thing Blinken confirmed, it's the first time the administration
00:04:28.280 has done this, is that, so they screwed up the evacuation on multiple fronts. They gave away
00:04:35.600 Bagram. And by the way, giving away the Bagram airfield will be taught a hundred years from now
00:04:40.580 in war college as among the great strategic blunders, second only to starting a land war in Asia. No,
00:04:47.000 wait, they did that too. Sorry, I can't resist the princess. At least they haven't gone up against
00:04:52.740 a Sicilian when death is on the line yet. Although I think you have some Sicilian blood, don't you?
00:04:56.920 Uh, only Italian, not Sicilian. Okay, fair enough. The boot and not off the tip of the boot.
00:05:02.140 Do you have Sicilian any? I do, in fact. I, this is my, I don't, I don't like to admit this on air,
00:05:07.640 you know, but, but, you know, we're joking about the Princess Bride. They have made every classic
00:05:14.160 blunder. It's massive. And the second big admission Blinken had was they brought tens of thousands of
00:05:25.540 Afghanis here. They did terrible vetting. They don't know the background of who it is. So they
00:05:30.020 didn't get the right people out. They didn't actually evacuate the Americans and there are
00:05:33.620 hundreds of Americans still there. But at the same time, they scooped up tens of thousands of Afghanis
00:05:39.020 without vetting them. And among them are, are some significant number of adult men with children,
00:05:45.660 with little girls that they claimed were their wives that were child brides.
00:05:49.260 Now this, this seems like, and I say, this is a conservative talk radio host. This seems like
00:05:54.480 the sort of sensationalist story that, that seems like a fake news on the internet, but we're now
00:06:01.100 getting confirmation that this has actually happened. Well, and, and the clearest confirmation
00:06:05.600 is the secretary of state under oath told the Senate foreign relations committee, yes, we have had
00:06:11.580 adult Afghani men come with little girls and say they were their wives. And what he also testified to,
00:06:17.680 so he confirmed that. And he also confirmed that in some instances they've had to separate them. In
00:06:23.420 other words, you had little girls being sexually assaulted by grown men and the Biden administration,
00:06:29.400 after trafficking those children in, separated them. I asked him how many? He didn't know. He said
00:06:35.760 only a handful. How many is a handful? The state department had formally requested, and they used this
00:06:41.900 word, urgent guidance about what to do with these grown men with little girls who are saying
00:06:47.580 their, their, their wives, uh, the department of Homeland security, again, the Biden administration
00:06:52.420 said that it was a product of desperation. And, and what's terrifying is, is their Afghani moms
00:07:00.080 who presumably have a little girl who, I don't know what age we're talking, whether it's 14 or 12 or 10
00:07:07.460 that are so desperate to get their daughter out of the country that, that, that they may well have just
00:07:13.320 been handing their daughters over to grown men. And, and one of the disturbing things is, is the
00:07:20.140 percentages in Afghanistan of child brides. A massive number of children are married in Afghanistan and
00:07:27.000 domestic violence. World Health Organization puts the rate of domestic violence in Afghanistan at
00:07:32.540 90%, 90%, 9-0. It is an accepted norm. And by bringing tens of thousands of evacuees into the
00:07:41.940 United States with no vetting, we're bringing that child abuse and that domestic violence, that crisis,
00:07:51.120 the Biden administration is importing while at the same time, abandoning Americans behind it.
00:07:55.540 Because what we were told is the Afghans were coming here. They're, they're all the good guys. And the
00:07:59.720 ones we're leaving there, those are all the bad guys. Now you're seeing among the so-called good
00:08:03.460 guys who we were told were going to be vetted, they weren't vetted. Some people have come here,
00:08:07.500 actually have already been convicted of crimes in the United States before they even came here
00:08:11.560 because they were deported. Now they've come back. We were told they wouldn't leave any Americans
00:08:14.920 behind. They did leave Americans behind. It's, and we're only talking about this one area of policy.
00:08:21.300 It's a complete blunder. So my question beyond all of the, this dark comedy of errors is who takes
00:08:28.940 responsibility. Blinken would not take responsibility. Biden doesn't seem to be
00:08:33.100 taking responsibility. Most people don't think Biden's even calling the shots because they
00:08:36.160 don't think he knows what end is up. Pardon my disrespect. So who's running the show over there?
00:08:40.940 The white house is running the show and, and the political operatives there are running the show.
00:08:45.520 What, what really drove, you know, I've had a lot of people ask, well, why would they,
00:08:49.960 why would they suck so bad? I mean, I mean, at the end of the day,
00:08:52.900 why would this be such a disaster? And, and if you look at the evacuation,
00:08:59.200 to use a math concept, you know, um, wait a second, I was told there'd be no matter.
00:09:02.960 I know I'm a little, a little nervous here, but yeah. Their evacuation was both under-inclusive
00:09:08.580 and over-inclusive. It was under-inclusive that they didn't prioritize getting the Americans out
00:09:15.060 and they didn't keep Bagram, a secure airfield that would have kept our servicemen and women
00:09:19.920 safe and allowed us to get the Americans out. They also left thousands of legal permanent residents,
00:09:26.800 green card holders are still stuck behind enemy, enemy lines, and also probably tens of thousands
00:09:32.460 of Afghanis who assisted us. So they were under-inclusive because when they just took off
00:09:40.240 and left and everything went to hell, they had no plan for getting the people out, but they were
00:09:46.760 also over-inclusive because instead of prioritizing the Americans, they just started grabbing people,
00:09:54.040 tens of thousands, bringing them here. And so a couple of weeks ago, I was at Fort Bliss. Fort
00:09:59.980 Bliss is, is right outside El Paso. It's El Paso, New Mexico on the, on the Western tip of Texas.
00:10:05.740 And Fort Bliss is where, one of the places where they're housing a number of these evacuees.
00:10:10.860 And, and I did a helicopter tour of Fort Bliss, went up with a commanding general and, and it,
00:10:16.980 they're putting them in what were troop barracks. And so they're barracks that they use to train
00:10:20.880 troops before deployment. And they were erecting these massive tent buildings, these giant white
00:10:27.000 tents that held up to a hundred people each. And they were just erecting them to build the capacity
00:10:33.040 to hold up to 10,000 evacuees. And so I'm in the helicopter and we're circling around. I asked the
00:10:39.460 commanding general, I say, well, what kind of vetting are you doing of, of the folks here?
00:10:45.040 And he says, I don't know. We're not doing any vetting. No, no, no. They're doing the vetting
00:10:49.060 in country. So, so he's counting on in, in Afghanistan, in Afghanistan. And, and mind you,
00:10:54.720 this is while planes are taking off from Kabul and, and Afghanis are hanging to the wheels and falling
00:11:00.880 potentially to their death. So the vetting is half-assed. And I said, well, what security is
00:11:08.200 there? And the general looks at me and says, there's no security. There's no perimeter. There's
00:11:14.620 no fence. And he said, this is not a detention facility. He said, we have no authority to detain
00:11:20.320 anybody. They could just walk out. Once they get here, he said, any one of them can leave anytime they
00:11:25.760 want. At the time, it was only a few days in, into, to the evacuees coming. They were having
00:11:31.980 planes land every couple of hours. He said at the time, he said about 35, 36 of them had left already.
00:11:38.460 One had literally called an Uber and had taken an Uber from the camp to downtown El Paso. They had
00:11:46.520 no idea where he was. And Michael, nobody knows this. So everyone assumes the camps where the evacuees
00:11:52.240 are taken are secure facilities. Processed. They're wide open and they are free to go
00:11:58.240 anywhere they want. And the Biden administration apparently doesn't care if these are adult men
00:12:05.300 with little girls who they are sexually assaulting. The vetting is so half-assed that there is a very
00:12:10.580 real risk that, that if even one or two jihadis are in the mix, that we could see a suicide bomb
00:12:17.060 like we saw in Afghanistan, but, but in an American mall or restaurant, if they're, if they're letting
00:12:24.240 people hop on these planes who have been convicted of crimes in the United States, it's, surely the
00:12:29.620 vetting is not top-notch. And it's not as though they're only going to Fort Bliss. They're going all
00:12:34.860 around the country. I mean, what, what sort of numbers are we talking about? It's Fort McCoy, which is in
00:12:38.760 Wisconsin, is where they've had, where the State Department asked for, quote, urgent guidance on what to do
00:12:44.580 with the adult men with little girls who they said, oh, this is my wife. And the State Department folks
00:12:50.500 were deeply concerned. You know, I was dismayed. Blinken seemed to know next to nothing about it.
00:12:55.180 He acknowledged it was, it existed. Yeah. But he had no sense of urgency that, wait, why are we
00:13:01.520 participating in exploiting little girls? And, and you asked who the decision-making is. The weird thing
00:13:07.600 about this process, I don't think state was the decision-maker. I don't think defense was the
00:13:13.600 decision-maker. I think it was the political operatives at the White House. And I think two
00:13:18.700 things drove it. Number one, Joe Biden and his political team wanted him to give a speech on
00:13:23.660 September 11th. On the 20th anniversary. A triumphant speech. Nobody else could end the war.
00:13:29.800 I ended the war. I am the great liberal hope. And that political mandate trumped everything else.
00:13:38.480 So when things started to go to crap, they didn't alter it because they had a political mandate. So
00:13:44.300 we had, over the last month, we had multiple conference calls with the Secretary of State
00:13:50.300 and the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. And at one point, it was with all
00:13:55.100 the senators. And, and at one point, a number of us were asking, but we're asking, for example,
00:14:01.400 Secretary Austin, the Secretary of Defense, General Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs,
00:14:05.240 said, look, who advised abandoning Americans behind enemy lines? Right. And the answer was,
00:14:13.200 well, we didn't know who the Americans were. We didn't know where they were. So we didn't know
00:14:18.000 how to get the ballot. So there was no plan to do that. Not a great excuse. And when, when they were
00:14:24.180 asked, well, why did you abandon Bagram? The answer was the order came from the White House
00:14:29.740 to lower the troop count, to drop it below 2,500. And what Milley said is, he said, look, we had a
00:14:36.780 choice. We didn't have enough soldiers to maintain Bagram and keep security at the embassy. And since
00:14:45.380 we had to keep the embassy, we had no choice but abandon Bagram because we'd been ordered lower,
00:14:50.160 lower the troop count below the numbers necessary to maintain it. So that's what drove
00:14:55.240 they're leaving. It was an arbitrary political mandate. Look, the Biden White House.
00:15:03.120 They're so astonished that they're being held to account for this. They're used to the press.
00:15:09.780 Look, Joe Biden is used to questions like, what's your favorite kind of ice cream?
00:15:13.220 Chocolate or chip?
00:15:14.380 Is that I didn't even know the answer to it. I was so pissed at the question. I didn't really care what
00:15:19.560 the answer is. But these guys, I will say it's oddly enough an advantage being a Republican
00:15:26.220 in that you're used to everything you do being attacked from every direction from the press,
00:15:33.360 that before you do something, you try to think through it and...
00:15:36.600 How am I going to get hit for this? How is this going to play?
00:15:38.860 I think these guys are so complacent that whatever crap they're shoveling, the press will happily shovel
00:15:45.520 it. They just didn't have anything resembling any competence. They had a political objective. Move
00:15:50.700 on. I could not figure out, I could not for the life of me figure out why they abandoned Bagram.
00:15:56.460 I thought, I understand why they're still going through with this. I understand why they make
00:15:59.460 the deal with the Taliban. I understand why they're not even reacting to the terror attack. But I said,
00:16:03.700 why do you leave Bagram before the evacuation? But it of course makes sense. If the top line order
00:16:11.600 is you need to reduce the number of troops and then you say on the ground, well, okay, but with
00:16:15.700 this, we already only have 2,500 troops. If you reduce it anymore, we have to make a decision. Do we
00:16:20.280 hold the embassy? Do we hold the airfield? And they give up the airfield. And the pitiful thing is it
00:16:24.560 appears nobody in our military pushed back and said, what the hell are you doing abandoning a secure
00:16:30.800 airfield before the evacuation? I mean, it is on the merits truly indefensible. Bagram doesn't just
00:16:38.340 have one airstrip. It has two. Two world-class runways. It has a secure perimeter. And think
00:16:44.060 about, you know, we had horrific suicide bombing, murdered 13 servicemen and women. Yesterday, I gave
00:16:52.040 tribute to Lance Corporal David Espinosa, Texan from Laredo, Texas, who was one of the 13 killed.
00:17:00.120 He was 20 years old. He was just barely out of his teenage years. He didn't have to die. Those 13
00:17:07.800 servicemen and women, they didn't have to die. And if the evacuation had been at Bagram,
00:17:13.840 the odds are really significant that they wouldn't have died because it was built to withstand terrorist
00:17:20.280 attack. Unlike the Kabul airport. Right. The Kabul airport's a commercial airport in the middle of a
00:17:24.760 dense urban environment. It tragically invited the kind of terrorist attack that took their lives. And
00:17:31.300 and this was a political mandate from the White House combined with the military wouldn't press
00:17:38.860 back at all. It appears that the Joint Chiefs didn't press back. The Secretary of Defense didn't
00:17:43.680 press back. And one of the interesting things, the Biden guys are spending a lot of time floating.
00:17:49.340 Well, the screw ups are all Austin's fault and Millie's fault. It's pretty clear this is before the
00:17:56.600 Millie bombshell of this week. But it seems clear to me that they're trying to set up for the defense
00:18:02.660 secretary, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to to quit or be fired as the scapegoats. Because I think
00:18:09.460 the Biden administration, their priority is protect Blinken. And more importantly, protect Biden,
00:18:16.500 protect Kamala and protect the political operatives in the White House, who are, of course, the decision
00:18:20.960 makers doing all. So I want to get into the top operative at the White House right now, Ron Klain,
00:18:25.740 the chief of staff, because shifting gears from the foreign side of things onto the domestic.
00:18:31.820 The White House has also just pushed this massive vaccine mandate, something they said they weren't
00:18:36.920 going to do. Biden said he wouldn't do it. Kamala said Dr. Fauci said they wouldn't do it. Now now
00:18:41.600 they're pushing it. The chief of staff, Ron Klain, seems to have made an admission about the way this
00:18:49.600 mandate that is rolling out that could compromise the legality of what they're trying to do.
00:18:55.220 Well, that's exactly right. And it's it's the dangers of Twitter. So we've all fallen prey
00:19:01.180 at times. There's some tweets I've sent that my team has yelled at me, normally a smart aleck comment
00:19:06.460 or something that that seemed to make sense of the means. But but but never an admission that you're
00:19:12.140 breaking the law or potentially violating the Constitution. Well, and and let's step back for
00:19:17.020 a second and give a little context. Number one, the reason I think they rolled out the vaccine mandate
00:19:22.040 was to change the subject on Afghanistan. I agree. I agree. They were getting killed in Afghanistan.
00:19:27.180 It was the first issue where Democrats were attacking them. And even more so, the press was.
00:19:31.780 I mean, when their most passionate groupies and by that, I mean, CNN and MSNBC and all the networks
00:19:39.220 were going after them in Afghanistan. That was a real problem. By rolling out the vaccine mandate,
00:19:46.820 all of the press fell back in line. They all came to their standard talking points. Hooray, hooray,
00:19:52.060 mandate vaccines. And it drove drove Afghanistan off of the front page. I think that was the political
00:19:59.180 desire. What Biden did is is, I believe, blatantly unlawful. So there's several things. There's one
00:20:06.420 an executive order for federal employees and for federal contractors that has arguable legality.
00:20:14.380 You've got more authority over federal employees. So so he's got more of a hook to claim the power
00:20:19.480 to do it. He shouldn't have done it. It was abuse of power. But there's at least an arguable legal
00:20:24.080 hook for that. But he also rolled out an order for every company in America with 100 or more employees.
00:20:30.960 And he did it through OSHA. Can I ask a stupid question? What is OSHA? It is the Occupational Safety
00:20:37.940 Hazard Administration. And so it it makes workplace rules and regulations for injuries at work.
00:20:46.540 And they rolled it out under under a standard that that is called an emergency temporary standard.
00:20:52.760 I'll give you a little bit of the kind of legal background on it. So the test for an emergency
00:21:00.220 temporary standard is called an ETS is that employees are exposed to, quote, grave danger
00:21:07.340 from exposure to substance substances or agents. So it's supposed to be like asbestos, those kinds of
00:21:14.740 things determined to be toxic or physically harmful or from new hazards. And that the emergency standard
00:21:24.200 is necessary to protect employees from such danger. So that's what they have to prove.
00:21:29.720 OK, it's a high standard. It also could only be in effect for six months. After six months,
00:21:36.260 they have to have a formal rule that goes through notice and rulemaking and all of the requirements
00:21:42.660 for formal rules. Now, by the way, OSHA, the average time for a formal rule, how long do you
00:21:48.240 think it takes? I don't know. I really have I have no frame of reference. Ninety three months. Oh,
00:21:54.780 my God. I was going to say 93 days. Ninety three months, nearly eight years is their average time
00:22:02.140 for a formal rule. So the ETS, the emergency temporary standard is a six month window. It can be
00:22:08.740 challenged once it goes into effect. Anyone affected by it can challenge it and you challenge
00:22:16.220 it immediately in the court of appeals. So you skip the district court. It's a weird because it's an
00:22:20.820 emergency standard. You go straight to the court of appeals. So anyone across the country affected
00:22:26.160 by this can file a challenge in the court of appeals. The court of appeals can stay it, which means
00:22:32.660 order that the rule not go into effect. If there are multiple courts of appeals, which there almost
00:22:38.000 certainly will, then it goes into a multi jurisdictional panel that decides which court
00:22:47.760 of appeals will hear the case. Okay. And do you know how they figure it out? At this point, I think
00:22:54.080 they're going to cast lots or something. That's exactly what they draw it out of a drum. Stop it. So
00:22:59.600 the statute says you put a piece of paper, you put something inside of a drum and then you reach in
00:23:05.680 and pull out. Okay. You're in the fourth circuit. Congratulations. When do they burn the tea
00:23:09.600 leaves? It's a weird, and the statute specifies all this. Wow. I want to assure the audience that
00:23:17.580 was not a setup. I actually did not know. So they, they're basically literally casting lots to figure
00:23:22.660 out which court it then goes to. And then it can go up to the Supreme court. Okay. So OSHA very
00:23:29.960 rarely uses this ETS authority. They have issued an ETS nine times. Okay. Of the nine, five of them
00:23:41.660 were either fully vacated or stayed or, or partially vacated or stayed. Four of them were fully vacated
00:23:49.800 or stayed. One was partially vacated or stayed. Okay. So more than half of them. So they don't have a
00:23:53.820 great record here on these things being upheld. And the ones that were upheld, and by the way,
00:23:58.220 a couple of them weren't, weren't challenged. So of the nine, the one, the ones that survived,
00:24:02.580 they weren't always challenged. Right. Right. But of the nine, the ones that survived all happened
00:24:07.740 before 1980. And in 1980, the legal standards changed and it became much tougher to promulgate
00:24:15.720 an ETS. So what I'm gathering here is that this mandate in the way that it was rolled out
00:24:22.600 is completely bogus. That that's a technical legal term. Um, and, and I don't appreciate
00:24:28.660 you whipping out the jargon. It's bullshit. Yeah. Another, another technical legal term on its face.
00:24:37.500 It is. Yeah. But it's the, the really cynical part. Number one, they did it to change the subject.
00:24:44.140 But number two, they know there's no legal basis for this. They know they're going to lose. It's
00:24:50.040 like the eviction moratorium. Remember the eviction moratorium, you know, the CDC decided no landlord
00:24:55.700 in America can evict anyone. What the heck does that have to do with the CDC? I mean, it's, and this
00:25:00.500 was, that was during the Trump administration, right? So just to show you how the power in this
00:25:05.840 country works, even under the Republican administration, this random administrative agency
00:25:10.000 that has nothing to do with rentals and property, unelected bureaucrats. Wow. Um, and it, when it
00:25:17.480 went to the Supreme court, the Supreme court, six, three said, no, you can't do an eviction moratorium.
00:25:22.280 There's no legal authority for that. You're the center for disease control. Right. Um, same thing's
00:25:28.240 true here. So the Biden guys know that this is not going to survive. The, the OSHA rule is not going
00:25:34.320 to survive, but here's the really cynical part. They don't care because they're gambling that it'll
00:25:39.860 take months or even years for the litigation to resolve itself. And in the meantime, 90% or more
00:25:45.980 of people will comply. Right. And in particular, the big company. So this really is the fortune 500
00:25:51.700 getting in bed and spooning with Joe Biden. So you're saying the big companies like the man,
00:25:58.220 they love it. And, and, and look, if you're a big company that you want to force your employees to be
00:26:03.740 vaccinated, but you don't want to get the blame because they're going to be pissed off. Right.
00:26:08.300 This is perfect. You can say, gosh, you know, the government's making us do it. What choice do we
00:26:14.180 have? My hands are tied. And so there are a lot of big companies that are eager for this political
00:26:19.960 cover and it's cynical. It's going to force. There are people, um, who are quitting their jobs.
00:26:27.080 There are people who are going to be fired because they choose not to get a vaccine. And you and I have
00:26:31.620 talked about, I'm, I'm someone who believes in vaccines. I've been vaccinated. My family's been
00:26:35.520 vaccinated, but the government has no damn business ordering you or me to take this vaccine,
00:26:43.160 particularly an experimental vaccine. We don't know the side effects of that. It ought to be a
00:26:48.280 personal healthcare decision that you make with, with your, with your doctor. These guys, they don't
00:26:56.280 care. This is about power. Yeah. And they're doing something they know is lawless. I guess my question
00:27:06.420 about it is, I entirely agree with that read on it, especially now knowing how this actually works
00:27:12.840 out in the history, you know, with, with these challenges, but it seems unpopular to me. The
00:27:17.960 vaccine mandate seems politically unpopular. Am I just in a bubble with all these right-wing
00:27:23.260 conservatives? Yes. I am. I suppose that's it. Um, look, yes and no. I mean, I mean, we just had
00:27:30.020 the, um, California recall. Tragically, Newsom is still there. Now, now there was a brief shining
00:27:36.080 moment, uh, where it looked like he might be knocked out. And, and listen, there are conservatives,
00:27:43.560 particularly conservatives in California who are demoralized right now. I get that, but it's worth
00:27:48.340 pausing and reflecting a year ago. Newsom and Andrew Cuomo were on top of the world. The golden boys
00:27:57.280 of American statecraft. The word Cuomo sexual had been coined. Sends a shiver up my spine. You know,
00:28:06.460 Cuomo had just gotten a four and a half million dollar book deal. Now you and I have both written
00:28:12.120 books. Yeah. Never quite that sort of advance. I think the numbers worked out to $53 a book.
00:28:18.100 At that point, it ought to just be cash in a brown paper bag passed to him, uh, under the table.
00:28:26.440 Yeah. Um, but they were, look, people were talking about let's replace Biden with Cuomo.
00:28:33.060 They were bestriding the world like Colossus. Now Cuomo's gone and Newsom just had the scare of his
00:28:40.380 life. And frankly, if you look at the polling numbers in California, Newsom, the question of whether
00:28:47.440 he was going to get recalled or not was very, very close when it was a referendum on Newsom.
00:28:53.520 The reason he ended up winning and winning by a big margin is once Larry Elder became the primary
00:29:02.920 opposition choice, what the Democrats did well is they attacked Elder and they made it,
00:29:08.500 they made Elder Trump Jr. Right. They made him explicitly. They said this guy is,
00:29:14.080 this guy's worse than Trump actually. They explained that as an African American,
00:29:17.640 he's the face of white supremacy. Black face of white supremacy. But, but, but they believe this
00:29:23.060 nonsense. And so once it was, they shifted it and made a referendum on Trump. Yeah. Not a referendum
00:29:30.460 on Newsom. And Newsom ran on vaccine mandates. He did. And, and what brought that up is you asked
00:29:37.120 about it. I saw some exit polling today that showed in California, a plurality of California voters
00:29:43.760 thought Newsom's rules on, on vaccines and COVID were about right. And a big chunk of them thought
00:29:49.940 they weren't strict enough. Wow. Your, your old state is, is nuts. Yeah. That's why I fled to a land
00:29:56.720 of freedom. All my exes live in Texas, which is why I now hang my hat in Tennessee. I, I, yeah, you,
00:30:01.600 I played that for you on this show. The very, the very day we moved. That's right. So look, I, I think
00:30:07.420 vaccine mandates are actually quite unpopular in most of America. I mean, the idea that the government
00:30:13.440 will force you to, to inject something in your body. I mean, that's a really extraordinary
00:30:19.920 threshold. And look, one of the damn talking points is, ah, well, what about measles in school?
00:30:24.600 Well, measles has been around a long time. We've had vaccines a long time. Uh, the risks in terms
00:30:30.840 of kids getting vaccinated for those sorts of diseases are very different than a new and
00:30:38.920 experimental vaccine that I'm glad it was developed, but it was developed incredibly quickly.
00:30:43.620 There's obviously no long-term data. It just hasn't been around long.
00:30:46.400 It's so we're going to learn the pros and cons. Listen, I got the thing. So when I assess the pros and
00:30:51.680 cons, I decided the pros outweighed the cons and, and, you know, Michael, you know, my parents,
00:30:58.060 my mom got it immediately. She's 86. Your father, my dad argued. So, so my dad is 82. I love him. He
00:31:07.280 is bullheaded for a month. We argued and he did not want to get this vaccine. And, and we went back and
00:31:16.880 forth and I'm like, dad, you're 82. Like, like you're in the risk group. I mean, if there is a
00:31:21.040 risk group and he was staying home because of COVID, I'm like, don't you want to get out? And
00:31:25.220 he's a preacher. Don't you want to preach? Don't you want to see people? He finally agreed to take
00:31:29.340 it, but he got the Johnson and Johnson one because it's a more traditional vaccine. Right. And, and that
00:31:34.680 was fine. You know, that's actually, he talked to his doctor. He decided, okay, he thought the risk
00:31:40.500 was fine. If he's freaked out about that prudential judgment and he's right. That's actually what a
00:31:46.160 mature adult like tries to learn as much as you can and make a reasonable decision. And that's,
00:31:52.260 that's how it should happen. But the Democrats, and by the way, as far as I know, as far as,
00:31:58.060 as best I can tell, every Senate Democrat is just fine with Biden mandating the vaccine.
00:32:04.460 Of course, of course, because it, it takes the, just like it takes the pressure off of the
00:32:08.280 corporations, takes the pressure off of all of these Democrat politicians. Now we've gone through
00:32:13.400 a series of pretty difficult losses here. Obviously loss of American credibility overseas,
00:32:19.660 obviously the horrific loss, just the literal loss involved in the withdrawal from Afghanistan,
00:32:26.000 the loss on these vaccine mandates, at least in the short term, we do have to mention a victory.
00:32:31.940 And this question came in, I'd say a question that I would have, I would have brought up even if it
00:32:38.660 hadn't. It comes in from Jonathan who says, dear Senator Cruz and Mr. Knowles, the Britney Spears
00:32:46.820 conservatorship appears to be coming to an end. Are you responsible for freeing Britney?
00:32:52.940 Uh, well, we'll celebrate when it happens. Yeah. Uh, but listen, I mean, you know,
00:32:58.360 straightforward cause and effect. We devoted a verdict podcast to Britney Spears and to the
00:33:03.320 conservatorship, which was abusive and wrong. And we stood up and said, free Britney. And,
00:33:08.100 and what do you know? It's, it seems to be happening. I'm not saying that correlation is causation.
00:33:12.700 Yeah, you are. But some people, some people certainly are. Okay. Yes. Uh, yes, that is,
00:33:16.640 that is a bit of a victory lap and that's the right thing to happen. That is the right,
00:33:20.040 that is the right thing to happen. Jokes aside, that is the right thing. You know, look,
00:33:23.080 and her father, as I understand it, is asking not to be the conservator anymore. That is a very good
00:33:27.940 step. And he's asking the conservatorship be dissolved. And it, that should have happened a
00:33:32.040 long time ago. I hope the court follows through with it. Look, frankly, it's another example of
00:33:38.100 arbitrary power. In that instance, the California state courts, again, Democrats abusing arbitrary
00:33:44.780 power and the principle of individual liberty. It ought to be something that people, whether it's,
00:33:52.420 whether or not you put a shot in your arm or not, uh, what decisions you make in your life,
00:33:58.680 whether someone can make decisions for you, you're almost never wrong starting with a base of
00:34:02.860 individual liberty. Now, speaking of young women and erratic public, public behavior,
00:34:08.480 AOC just showed up to the Met Gala. AOC, the young self-styled socialist congresswoman from
00:34:14.380 New York wearing a very nice dress. Elegant, at least it was elegant from the front. Uh, this is a
00:34:19.860 35 or so thousand dollar per ticket event filled with the richest, most famous, most hoity-toity
00:34:26.200 ruling class people in the world. And on the back of her dress, it said, tax the rich. Are we on the
00:34:34.280 brink of the revolution, Senator? Are we finally going to tax those rich people? You know, hypocrisy is a
00:34:41.400 beautiful thing. I actually would have respected it more if it said, eat the rich. Yeah. Go all the
00:34:47.100 way. Come on. You know, go, go full Jonathan Swift. Yeah. Like, um, it, it, it'd be a modest
00:34:54.260 proposal. Yes. It made clear what utter crap it is that the left is selling. Yeah. It's a $30,000
00:35:04.080 a plate dinner. I've never been to a $30,000. I keep waiting for my invitation. That just ain't my
00:35:09.940 circle. So she's surrounded by gazillionaires, masters of the universe, by the way, who are all
00:35:15.320 lefty Democrats, every one of them. So she's surrounded by rich Democrats. None of whom are
00:35:19.500 wearing masks, I should note. Well, the servants are. The servant, the help to protect the good,
00:35:25.240 rich people from their filthy germs. And that really is the view of the left. They make the
00:35:30.000 servants wear masks and they, it's like Barack Obama at his birthday party, dancing away on the
00:35:35.700 disco floor. Yeah. Of course, none of them have masks. Listen, in the Senate, all of these guys
00:35:41.320 know this is crap. Right. Behind closed doors, Democratic senators don't wear masks. They pal
00:35:45.940 around. And then when TV cameras come by, they put on masks. I mean, look at AOC's though, the arrogance.
00:35:52.880 She was on a live TV camera and was laughing away with no mask while perfectly happy mandating you wear
00:35:59.400 a mask. You know, I'm actually pleased to hear, Senator, that your Democrat colleagues know that this is
00:36:03.800 all bunk behind closed doors because it bothers me that they're liars and hypocrites, but I'm glad
00:36:08.980 at least they're not complete lunatics. When I was watching the AOC- I didn't say they're not
00:36:14.360 lunatics. They may also be, which is not in that particular issue. When I was watching AOC show up
00:36:19.740 there with Tax the Rich pretending to be this radical revolutionary, I had a similar reaction. I said,
00:36:24.540 just say, eat the rich, go all the way. What was so offensive to me was not even, not even the
00:36:30.000 hypocrisy, but the frivolity of it, that this woman who is basically a tool of these plutocrats of
00:36:38.200 this ruling class, she pretends to be the opposition. Well, and what people don't understand
00:36:44.660 is rich people love socialists. Yes. Yes. That's what they fundamentally don't get.
00:36:51.400 The Democratic Party is the party of the Met. Yeah. Of rich, trivial, frivolous, glamorous Hollywood
00:37:01.940 elites. And when you have socialism, it never, ever, ever takes money out of the hands of the real
00:37:10.060 rich, of the generational rich. John Kerry will keep flying his private jet to go give lectures on
00:37:17.060 climate change. Of course. But what it does, when they say tax the rich, what they really mean is
00:37:21.620 tax someone who's making their money for the first time, tax the small business, tax the employers,
00:37:27.080 tax the middle class. And it's what every socialist country they have, go to Europe, the Rothschilds live
00:37:33.340 a pretty good life. Socialist countries have rich people. They don't have new rich people. Yeah. So all
00:37:41.180 the folks there say, we got ours. Yeah. So let's tax the hell out of the next guys that are coming
00:37:46.640 after us. I will say, though, that I was particularly glad that her dress, they used the exact font
00:37:52.700 from the Chick-fil-A bags. Like, I'm wondering if that's actually like Times New Robe and Calibra
00:37:58.960 Chick-fil-A. Tax the rich and eat more chicken. Yes. And I really was tempted. So there is a meme that
00:38:06.340 has her in her dress and it's a Chick-fil-A bag. And I was tempted just to tweet out that picture
00:38:12.000 along with two words, spicy chicken. And I just thought they would, the left would, those are one
00:38:21.360 of those tweets that my staff would immediately call and start yelling at me. Say, Senator, you're
00:38:26.600 going to take that down. But it does show you where the real revolutionaries are, where the real
00:38:32.940 subversion is. If you and I had been invited to that Met Gala and we put on a very pretty dress,
00:38:39.300 maybe a suit or something. And on the back we said, save the babies. On the back we said, salute the
00:38:46.060 flag. We would be escorted off the premises so fast. No one would take our picture. Certainly no one
00:38:53.540 would applaud us. The woman is being presented as the great thumb in the eye of the establishment.
00:39:00.060 They gave her magazine photos and rounds of applause. It's such a farce.
00:39:06.500 You know, the media did go a little crazy because at Joe Biden's inauguration, I wore my mask with
00:39:10.820 come and take it. And so that was in a small. And they didn't like it. I didn't have it printed
00:39:15.920 on my ass. But, you know, it was in a smaller way. I felt more tasteful. You know, a little more
00:39:22.700 understated. I agree. Yes. By the way, can I tell you an upside of the mask idiocy?
00:39:28.280 Please, please do. So on Capitol Hill, as you're walking down the hallways,
00:39:34.720 every Democratic staffer wears a mask. Every Democratic member wears a mask. No Republican
00:39:40.600 staffer wears a mask. No Republican member. So they're self-identifying. You can walk along and
00:39:45.840 you'd be like, there's a little dem, there's a little dem. And it's like they're wearing burkas.
00:39:49.860 They're all like the secular keffiyeh is what I think of it. Yeah. And, you know, my standard
00:39:55.420 response is they messed up because their masks aren't tight enough. We can still hear them.
00:40:00.620 That's right. Maybe add two or three or four. It is amazing. I mean, symbols play an important
00:40:06.540 role in politics. And the mask has long since stopped being a medical instrument. At this point,
00:40:11.140 it really is just a political symbol. And you can look around. And the press. It's the dems and the
00:40:15.520 press. But you repeat yourself. Indeed. Now, I think this perspective is very important, especially
00:40:22.480 how is it that we're still talking about Afghanistan, you know, in 2021? It seems kind of crazy. And we
00:40:28.900 would be remiss if we ended the show without pointing out we've just had the 20th anniversary
00:40:33.880 of the September 11th terror attacks. I remember it vividly. I was 11 years old. I was in the third
00:40:38.940 grade. I'm sorry, not third grade. I was in the sixth grade. But it was in my third period math
00:40:43.600 class. I remember exactly where I was when I got the news. My mother was in the city. She was in
00:40:47.760 Midtown. So she wasn't really at risk. So they sent you home from school or what? They kept us at
00:40:51.780 school. They didn't know what to do. A lot of kids had parents not only who worked in the city, but who
00:40:55.460 worked at Wall Street or in the Trade Center. Some of those parents didn't come home. My mother got off the
00:41:00.580 train at 125th Street at Harlem. And because they'd heard that there was this problem and maybe the
00:41:06.680 trains were going to shut down. And she just sat there looking at it smoking. And then, you know,
00:41:11.480 you could see all the way down Manhattan Island. She saw the building just collapse, just a little
00:41:16.900 tiny, just a little blip. And so and she got on one of the last trains out of the city, came back up
00:41:23.480 and people were covered in soot. I mean, it's really, you know, so I was 11 years old. I still have all
00:41:28.460 these graphic images from that day. You were a little older than 11 years old. So I was I was I
00:41:33.980 was in D.C. and I was working with George W. Bush administration. So I was working at the Federal
00:41:39.860 Trade Commission and and Heidi was working at the White House. And I remember it was a September
00:41:45.540 morning and I just just gotten dressed and was getting ready to walk out of the apartment.
00:41:51.280 And Heidi called me and said, turn on the TV. And so she was already at work. And so I turned on
00:41:57.880 the TV and I saw the plane had just just hit the first tower. And I thought, like everyone did,
00:42:05.340 this is some terrible accident. You know, what happened? Some pilots screwed up. You know,
00:42:09.940 at first we didn't know it was a big jumbo jet. We thought it was just, you know, if it was a Cessna
00:42:13.680 or something, it looked like a tragic accident, but we didn't appreciate what it was. And so I'm
00:42:21.960 standing in our living room and I'm just looking at the TV with the tower smoking and watching it
00:42:26.960 and people trying to figure out what it is. And then the second plane hit the second tower and
00:42:32.560 that we all saw. And we saw it was a commercial jet. And when it plowed into that tower, that instant,
00:42:40.040 everybody knew what this was. Yeah. You know, my wonderful priest in New York, Father George
00:42:45.320 Rutler, he was in Midtown when the first plane hit. People are running up, people in smoke. And then
00:42:51.080 when the second plane hit, I think it was at that moment, he runs, he may have run down after the
00:42:56.700 first plane, but he runs down after the second plane, goes into St. Peter's. It's the first
00:43:00.980 Catholic parish in New York. It's right downtown to get oils, to give wartime absolution because he
00:43:07.680 knew, and a number of people knew at the time, this was an act of war. And the firefighters who were going
00:43:11.540 in there, they were going into a battlefield. So he gave general absolution. And at that moment,
00:43:16.140 they carried in Father Michael Judge, who was the first confirmed casualty of 9-11. They laid him
00:43:21.200 on the steps at St. Peter on the altar, like a pieta. He had been crushed. And so the spiritual
00:43:29.380 import, the wartime import of that day was clear the moment that second plane hit.
00:43:36.580 Yeah. So Heidi was, she was at the U.S. Trade Representative's office, which is part of the White
00:43:42.560 House Complex. And when the first plane hit, the Secret Service came through and they said,
00:43:47.860 stay where you are. There's something's happened, but just stay where you are. And so she was watching
00:43:52.600 it and it called me. And so I was watching it at home. And then when the second plane hit the second
00:43:57.940 tower, the Secret Service was running down the halls and they said, get out now. They said, run,
00:44:05.300 run, don't walk, run. And so Heidi sprinted out of the office. Her car was parked in an underground
00:44:13.280 parking lot, so she couldn't get her car. They wouldn't let her get her car. So she proceeded.
00:44:17.620 We were living in Virginia, Northern Virginia, Pentagon City. And so she took off her high heels
00:44:24.700 and walked barefoot across Memorial Bridge and to Virginia. And we lived less than a mile from the
00:44:33.520 Pentagon. And so when the Pentagon plane, when the plane hit the Pentagon, from our apartment,
00:44:39.660 you could smell the smoke. You could see the soot in the air because it was, we were just south of
00:44:44.580 the Pentagon. And, uh, and the cell phone coverage was not very good. So when Heidi left, I knew she was
00:44:53.100 evacuated, but I couldn't get her on her phone. Yeah. And one of the networks, I think it was ABC,
00:45:00.000 when the Pentagon plane hit, you know, there was the fog of war where people are confused about
00:45:04.080 what's going on. And so one of the networks reported the White House has been hit. So I'm
00:45:10.320 sitting there like, holy crap, I just got off with Heidi a second ago. Is the White House on fire?
00:45:15.740 And there were a couple of minutes where it wasn't clear. Like there was an angle, there was a camera
00:45:20.360 angle where the smoke from the Pentagon looked like it was from the White House. And I guess there's a
00:45:26.140 lot of speculation that, that flight 93 that went down in Pennsylvania was either targeting the
00:45:32.680 White House or the Capitol. Right. And so there was a period of time where I didn't know where Heidi
00:45:36.780 was because we couldn't get through on the phone. And then she walked home and, and the plane
00:45:43.340 that hit the Pentagon, we, we had a good friend of ours that was on that plane.
00:45:48.440 Uh, that was Barbara Olson. So, and you know, Barbara, um, had been married to Ted Olson. Ted,
00:45:56.720 Ted was the U S solicitor general. I've known Ted for 25 years. Um, Barbara was down, down in Florida
00:46:06.240 in Tallahassee with me for Bush versus Gore. And in fact, Barbara and I flew together on a plane.
00:46:14.280 They sent me up to Philadelphia to get Arlen Specter. Arlen Specter was the Senator from
00:46:19.840 Pennsylvania. He was coming down to be a surrogate for George W. Bush. And I was the
00:46:23.400 young staffer that they stuck on a plane and flew up there to brief Specter so that he could talk to
00:46:29.440 the press when he got down there. And so Barbara flew up with me and she spent the entire three
00:46:34.100 hours of the flight, just giving me grief that I needed to man up and ask Heidi to marry me.
00:46:40.640 And she's like, are you a chicken? Are you a coward? And I had actually already asked her
00:46:47.300 dad for permission to marry her. I'd planned to do it. And Bush versus Gore delayed the whole thing.
00:46:52.380 And so I couldn't tell Barbara. So I just, I just took the grief for three hours. She was like,
00:46:57.380 you need to ask her to marry you. You're an idiot. Don Corleone, you can act like a man.
00:47:01.240 Yeah. I mean, that's exactly, it was, so the whole, and she was a fireball. And you know,
00:47:08.360 the story, Barbara called Ted from her cell phone on the plane. And Ted, who's at DOJ,
00:47:16.720 and DOJ is the number three official at DOJ, he answered the phone.
00:47:20.780 Thank God he answered the phone.
00:47:21.880 If you, if you could imagine that hell, he knew Barbara was on the flight. It was the day after
00:47:26.660 her birthday. And he knew what had happened to the planes in the Twin Towers. So it was not,
00:47:37.040 he knew they weren't seeking to take the plane to Cuba and let everyone off. It was, he knew the
00:47:42.180 likely ending of this. And they were low enough that the phone worked so she could get him.
00:47:50.100 And, and the last thing she said to Ted, she said, okay, what do we do? And she was,
00:47:54.440 she was a fighter and I think was given a minute or two would have organized the same sort of thing
00:48:00.560 that happened with flight 93. I mean, she was like ready to battle the bad guys and they,
00:48:06.100 they crashed into the, into the Pentagon. And, and so it was a moment,
00:48:12.180 you know, we were all stunned. The next day, Heidi and I invited several friends over to our
00:48:23.760 apartment, including Eugene Volokh, who was a, you know, law professor at UCLA, brilliant guy.
00:48:30.640 Eugene came, Eugene is Jewish and we did a prayer service. We did a, we had Christians and Jews and
00:48:38.420 we just spent the evening reflecting, sharing, and praying for our country. And, and it was,
00:48:45.140 um, even though it was 20 years ago,
00:48:49.220 the image that, that for me is seared in of that day
00:48:56.240 is the people leaping to their death from the top of the towers and they don't air it anymore on TV.
00:49:03.460 But, you know, the people who are in the upper floors as the fire was coming. And if you could
00:49:08.640 imagine the, you're standing there at the window and you have a choice between being burned to death,
00:49:14.240 what a horrible way to die, or jumping to your death. And we were watching on live news as people
00:49:20.880 were leaping to their death and falling. Um, and it was a moment of unity and national resolve,
00:49:27.600 um, that was extraordinary. And it's, um, it's a real contrast to what we have today.
00:49:35.980 It is because you, you do, 20 years on, you remember, it is amazing. Even being 11 years old,
00:49:41.560 you remember it so vividly. And then, and it has become cliche almost to say there was September 12th
00:49:48.160 and 13th and 14th. And there was this real, uh, national unity.
00:49:51.560 When Bush stood on the rubble with the bullhorn, uh, and, and said, we can hear you.
00:50:02.200 So soon the whole world will hear you.
00:50:04.140 It's the highlight of his presidency. That and throwing the strike at Yankee stadium afterwards.
00:50:07.540 I, both of those were, were extraordinary and powerful moments.
00:50:13.980 Yeah. Well, it does, it does remind you, even thinking back on these horrific events,
00:50:16.980 hope is, uh, it's not just a feeling. It's not just a sentiment. It's a, it's a virtue. It's a
00:50:21.540 fact. It's a theological fact. Yeah. And I still believe in that unity and greatness in this country.
00:50:29.200 Yeah. We're, we're at a chapter where we're angry and bitter and at each other's throats.
00:50:34.940 But, but I believe that same power of resolve that brought us together after 9-11,
00:50:41.660 I still think we have that and I think we can get back to it. It's not easy. Yeah. Um,
00:50:46.200 and we've got to stop screaming at each other. Uh, but I, I, I believe we can.
00:50:51.520 I think you're right. Optimism and pessimism, I think are two sides of the same coin. Actually,
00:50:55.620 this is quoting my priest friend who ran down at 9-11. Optimism and pessimism are two sides of
00:51:00.200 the same coin, but hope is a fact. And, uh, that's something we can rely on and, uh, we can, uh,
00:51:05.700 pray and hope for better days. Amen. I'm Michael Knowles. This is Verdict with Ted Cruz. We'll see you next time.
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