Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) joins me to discuss the Supreme Court's decision to strike down Joe Biden's plan to forgive $10,000 worth of student loans from individuals making $125,000 or less.
00:02:20.020And I do want to point out as we talk about this, when Biden issued this illegal student loan forgiveness plan, the next podcast we did,
00:02:29.980we did a deep analysis on the law and why it was illegal then that walks through the law and makes clear then what the Supreme Court has now ruled now,
00:02:42.980which is that we are a nation of laws and the president cannot act contrary to federal law.
00:02:49.180Now, the amazing thing is, you know who used to know that?
00:02:54.820One of them that I know that you don't usually agree with, Nancy Pelosi.
00:02:58.620You know, I don't know that we've ever teed up Nancy Pelosi in a positive sense, but here is Nancy Pelosi doing something you've never seen or heard before, speaking the truth.
00:03:09.780People think that the president of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness.
00:03:35.720It's just freeing people from those obligations.
00:03:39.920So the question of who gets forgiven, to use the term of art that is out there, is a debate.
00:03:51.200Do we use whatever money there is for the broadest base of support of those with more people with even less debt or fewer people with more debt?
00:04:29.020Look, everyone knew this, that you couldn't just – that the president's not a king, that he doesn't get to wave a scepter and forgive massive amounts of student loans.
00:04:39.520And look, there are policy issues and there are legal issues.
00:04:44.380On the policy issues, what Joe Biden and the Democrats did is they purported to forgive $10,000 or in some cases $20,000 of student loans from individuals making $125,000 or less or from couples making $250,000 or less.
00:05:00.620They did it because they thought, OK, a bunch of young people, we can buy their votes.
00:09:21.560Like, there is, it used to be when you went to school and you're taking loans and you said, okay, I got to pay these loans back.
00:09:27.680You stopped and said, okay, at the end of this, I'd like to be able to get a job.
00:09:31.800And so the Democrats are taking care of two constituencies, young people who they've convinced it's a good idea not to work and they don't have to pay their debts.
00:09:40.460And universities who are scamming young people, not teaching them life skills to get good jobs, but instead indoctrinating them with woke nonsense, which happens not to pay the bills at the end of the day.
00:09:56.920They're gambling that the truck drivers and steel workers will never know the difference, that the union workers won't understand they're getting sold a bill of goods.
00:10:07.300I'll tell you, there's one fellow understood, a fellow who came up and talked to Elizabeth Warren.
00:10:12.600So watch this exchange in 2020 on the campaign trail when she was offering the same sort of giveaway that Joe Biden tried to do.
00:28:09.860Well, the facts alleged in the case is that two gay men wanted to hire her to create a website celebrating a gay marriage, a same-sex marriage.
00:28:24.540She is a believing Christian, and she did not want to tell that story.
00:28:28.880She did not want to say that she agreed with that because she doesn't agree with it.
00:28:34.200And Colorado has a very, very strict law.
00:28:38.600They call it a non-discrimination law, but it's designed to really force and punish anyone who wants to exercise their own religious liberty.
00:28:48.260Now, she wasn't trying to stop their wedding.
00:28:50.340She wasn't speaking out against their wedding.
00:28:51.900She was saying, I don't want to use my voice to say something that my faith teaches me is wrong.
00:28:58.980Well, the Supreme Court 6-3 ruled for her, and, you know, what's striking – so there are several things that are striking, and I should point out I led an amicus brief in this case along with Senator Mike Lee.
00:29:10.980We had a number of House members and senators who joined us urging precisely this outcome.
00:29:14.860So this was – I filed a brief in this case, and the Supreme Court agreed with our brief and upheld her religious liberty rights.
00:29:20.560But let me start with this point, which is the corrupt corporate media deliberately and Democrats deliberately are wildly mischaracterizing this case.
00:29:33.440So I want to give an example of Axios, which is this fairly well-respected media outlet who put out a tweet and a headline that was just objectively false.
00:30:34.900But if it's the former, if it's an honest mistake, then a real journalistic outlet with integrity would issue a correction.
00:30:42.020Now, why is it that they are wrong and they're either ignorant or lying?
00:30:47.740Well, let's look at the second tweet thread.
00:30:50.700Assuming that whoever wrote the headline didn't actually bother to read the opinion, which I think is a pretty good assumption.
00:30:57.640What the court did hold is that the First Amendment prohibits the state of Colorado from compelling a website designer to create expressive designs, speaking messages with which she disagrees.
00:32:03.760I should never be put in that situation.
00:32:05.380And if you have a venue hall where you rent it out to people and someone says, I'm going to come have a satanic ritual there, and you say, I don't want that in my private venue, you shouldn't be, you know, sued or lose a court case over that for religious beliefs.
00:32:19.340So, look, that's actually a different case.
00:32:21.760My point is this case is very different.
00:33:20.780That strikes me just as someone who lives in American society as doing great harm to American society.
00:33:25.660It seems to me the idea that we do not discriminate in our businesses is just – that's a much more serious thing to break that than to restrict someone who's really running a business, not just painting a painting, but is running a business.
00:33:39.460And if that person who's running a business is allowed to discriminate, it seems to me it's just a poison in our society.
00:33:45.780So, I got to say, David Brooks, who I don't know very well.
00:33:49.660I've met him, but I don't really know him.
00:33:51.940He's paid by The New York Times to be their fake conservative.
00:33:55.060So, he claims to be a sort of conservative who just happens to agree with the left on everything.
00:35:02.300He's not qualified because he's not only not a lawyer, he hasn't read the opinion, he doesn't know what it's about, and he's not talking about the opinion.
00:35:08.480So, it's not just that he doesn't have a law degree.
00:35:10.700It's that he hasn't done even the barest modicum of homework to know what the case is about, but he knows what he's supposed to say.
00:35:17.220He's supposed to say the left is right and the right is wrong because that's what he says every time, usually in a very self-righteous, moralistic way.
00:35:26.960In this instance, he says this is a battle between discrimination and artistic expression.
00:35:46.720Because you can't force someone to speak – all right, David Brooks said that, you know, clearly preventing discrimination is more important than free speech.
00:36:04.240Mind you, number one, the guy works for the New York Times, so the New York Times is on record saying free speech is less important.
00:36:12.280He's the fake conservative, so he especially believes free speech is less important.
00:36:17.080I want to pass a law that every time David Brooks speaks, he must publicly say, I'm a dishonest, lying imbecile that works for the propaganda outlet called the New York Times.
00:36:30.600And he should be okay with that because it's just his free speech and he's perfectly – his free speech doesn't matter, he told us that.
00:36:37.660So the government can force him to say, I'm assuming – well, maybe he does believe that he's a lying propagandist.
00:36:48.220But I mean given the benefit of the doubt and assume that he doesn't believe that, should the government be able to force him to say that?
00:36:55.320And the point – listen, it is altogether different.
00:36:59.900If you take, for example, look, there was a prior case, the Colorado Baker case.
00:37:05.340It was the same Colorado state law where, again, the press mischaracterized it and they said this is a baker that didn't want to serve people who were gay.
00:37:14.260Well, the baker there said that's not the case at all, that he served people who were gay every day, that when people came in, they wanted to buy a cake.
00:37:24.400He was in the cake buying business, cake selling business.
00:37:28.760This was not a case about refusing to do business, refusing service to someone because of their sexual identity.
00:37:37.740Rather, what the Colorado Baker said is you had a gay couple that wanted to come in and have him design a wedding cake celebrating their same-sex wedding.
00:37:47.980He was an evangelical Christian and he said, look, my faith teaches me that's wrong.
00:37:53.180You can go get married, but I don't wish to speak.
00:37:56.280And he said baking a cake was expressive.
00:37:58.640And I got to admit, I'm not much of a cook or baker.
00:38:01.100I didn't really think of baking as all that expressive.
00:38:03.140But he said for him, when he designed a cake, he was speaking.
00:38:07.740And you could get, look, if you were a baker and let's say you're a Jewish baker and someone comes in and says, well, you bake a Nazi cake with a swastika on it, that you ought to be able to say, no, I'm not going to.
00:38:23.900Or a Klansman cake or anything that goes against your beliefs.
00:38:27.400But the point is, the Colorado Baker didn't refuse service to people on the basis of their sexuality.
00:38:35.900People could come in and are gay and buy any cake they wanted.
00:38:38.160He was not going to speak and offer his voice.
00:38:41.620In this instance, this website creator, there's no indication she'd ever turn down her services to someone who was gay.
00:38:50.240If you had a gay couple who said, hey, we want to design a website about, you know, the Colorado mountains and the prettiest mountains and we want to do a website.
00:39:31.820That is fundamental that government cannot force you to speak, which is why I use the example and to see the fake conservative at the New York Times happily say free speech doesn't matter because all my left wing buddies tell me it doesn't matter.
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00:41:03.480We're talking about the First and the Second Amendment.
00:41:05.180We're talking about protecting unborn children.
00:41:07.820We're talking about our veterans, our wounded warriors.
00:41:45.020Well, look, we all learned during COVID that the head of CDC can have a massive impact on everyone's life in America, that it is an enormously important position.
00:41:55.300We saw CDC pushing for shutdowns and lockdowns all across the country, school shutdowns, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, impacting life and liberty and health of every American.
00:42:07.320And it is a massively important position, that there is a basic proposition in our Constitution that positions that are very important, that impact the American people very significantly, should be subject to Senate confirmation.
00:42:22.780Historically, the CDC director has not been subject to Senate confirmation.
00:42:27.200So it's just someone that the president can appoint, that the secretary of HHS can appoint, and CDC did not require Senate confirmation.
00:42:35.040After COVID, I think everyone recognizes, okay, this is big enough, it requires it.
00:42:39.820And in fact, Congress has passed a law that going forward, the CDC director will require Senate confirmation starting in January of 2025.
00:42:51.760Why do they wait so long out of curiosity?
00:43:39.960So she was the head of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services, and she was one of the leading advocates of shutdowns, of lockdowns.
00:43:49.740She was an advocate of shutting down small businesses.
00:43:52.860She was an advocate of shutting down schools.
00:51:46.420Dare I say I want more of these, Senator, from the team.
00:51:49.740It is the perfect way of exposing who these people are, what they're all about, and using a little bit of humor to do it.
00:51:57.440Because this is what people will send around and go, okay, I don't want this woman to be the CDC director, especially when she's crazy like this.
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