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Verdict with Ted Cruz
- December 27, 2024
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37 minutes
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Word Count
7,034
Sentence Count
507
Misogynist Sentences
7
Hate Speech Sentences
7
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This is an iHeart Podcast.
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Guaranteed human.
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Welcome.
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It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
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Senator, let's just start with this.
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I hope you had a fabulous Christmas and everyone else listening, I hope you had a fabulous
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Christmas as well.
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You got to give me some anecdote from Christmas Day.
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Did you get anything cool?
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Was there an exciting moment before we get into politics?
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Well, I'll just say Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy New Year.
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Actually, Christmas was awesome.
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I was just at home with Heidi and both our girls.
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My parents were here.
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We relaxed.
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We had Christmas dinner.
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We had a big ham.
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I will say we do have a new puppy.
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The new puppy is Rudy.
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Rudy is a golden doodle.
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He looks like a giant teddy bear come to life.
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He is Catherine's puppy.
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He is 14 weeks old.
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Rudy yaps a lot.
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In fact, you may well get some podcasts with Rudy yapping in the background.
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Because I do many of these at home.
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And I've met Rudy.
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He is cute, man.
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Like, Rudy is next level cute.
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He is majorly cute.
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And I will say, all right, on Christmas Day, so we had a ham, which was great.
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And at the end, I turned to Heidi and said, what do you think?
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Should we give Rudy the ham bone?
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She said, sure.
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So I tossed Rudy the ham bone.
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And I cannot believe this little puppy became a wolf.
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Like, he began consuming.
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And he's, you know, he's tiny.
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He is the size of a teddy bear.
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Yeah, he's little.
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But he's, like, chowing into this ham bone.
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And then he runs into her bushes.
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And he's in his cave.
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And he is a wolf.
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And I'm sitting there.
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I'm kind of feeling mildly concerned.
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So I pull out my phone.
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And I Google, should you give a puppy a ham bone?
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I cannot wait to hear what Google said back to you on this one.
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And it turns out that Google says, no, this is a very bad idea.
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Ham bones can splinter.
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And they can stick in their stomach and kill your puppy.
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And I'm sitting here thinking, OK, Catherine is going to kill me.
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If I kill her dog, I'm in trouble.
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So I go try to get Rudy.
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And he does not want to give up the ham bone.
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And the problem is, is I'm approaching him everywhere I go.
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He runs in the bushes and runs in the bushes.
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So I have to drag Heidi out of the kitchen because we need a pincher movement to come
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from both sides because Rudy is running.
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And we finally got him and got the ham bone away from him.
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Isn't it amazing how scary Google can be, though, in those moments?
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It's like it tells you basically everything that is fun is no longer fun.
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I'm convinced that's what Google's job is.
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And he was such a happy puppy.
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This is this is absolutely the greatest joy this this animal has had since he has been
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on planet Earth was chowing into that ham bone until Heidi and I had to.
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But he had he had actually he'd eaten all the ham.
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So he was in the chewing into bone moment.
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We're like, all right, fine.
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That's probably enough.
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That's enough.
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All right.
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So we got to ask, how did how did you get the name?
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Who named him?
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How did we come up with a name?
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Rudy, where is it?
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I mean, instantly your movie after our movie show.
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So everyone's going to think, Rudy, we're going back to Notre Dame here and the famous
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movie.
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OK, except for the fact that I didn't name the dog.
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Catherine named the dog.
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So Caroline has three cats.
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Yeah.
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And this puppy was for Catherine.
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So Catherine got to name the dog and Rudy.
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It actually is connected.
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So our last podcast, by the way, if you didn't watch your Christmas Day podcast or didn't
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listen to it, and it is on YouTube so you can watch it, too.
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I'd encourage you to go back.
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It's a very different podcast from what we do normally, which is Ben and I talked about 25 of
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my favorite movies, and we went through a bunch of movies, and I love movies, and we
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go through a ton of them.
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And by the way, I told you this story, Ben, as we're getting ready to record.
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In the afternoon of Christmas Day, we went over to a friend's house a few blocks away
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from her house who had a Christmas Day party, and it was very cool.
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There were lots of people out walking their dogs and out on the street, and this one family
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stopped me, and this very nice woman said, hey, I listened to the podcast this morning.
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I loved it.
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Great movie recommendations.
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I'm going to go watch them now.
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And so I thought that was very cool.
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It made me happy.
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But if you recall, at the very beginning of the movie podcast, you asked me what was the
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most recent thing I was watching, and I told you it was The Outer Banks, and The Outer Banks
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is this teeny bopper series on Netflix that Catherine is very into, and Catherine had asked me to
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watch it so that we could talk about the plot development.
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So I watched the whole thing.
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Well, one of the stars of the show is J.J., and the actor who plays J.J. is Rudy.
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I don't remember Rudy's last name.
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Rudy something.
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Catherine knows his last name.
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But Rudy something plays J.J., who is the sort of kind of cute surfer boy, rebel, sort
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of a lot of trouble.
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But listen, I can get why if you're a 14-year-old girl, he would be sort of a cute, attractive
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guy.
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So our puppy is named after the actor who plays J.J. in Outer Banks.
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But as a Houstonian, I'm treating Rudy, I call him Rudy T, because I treat him as Rudy
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Tomjanovich, the coach of the Rockets when we won the NBA championship in 94 and 95.
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So for Catherine, he's Rudy.
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But for me, I think the T is silent.
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I love it.
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That is nice.
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And by the way, on the movie list, so you'll laugh, we got a new TV, right?
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That was one of those like Christmas things.
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Have you seen these frame TVs where it puts up artwork on the TV?
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Oh, yeah.
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You're getting highfalutin.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm not sure I can hang around such a fancy pants guy.
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So this has been on the Mrs. List.
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And she's like, look, I just love it.
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It doesn't look like a TV hanging on your wall in the living room.
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It can have like art up there.
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So Black Friday, I grabbed the TV.
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So fast forward to today, my dad's in town, and he's helping me mount this new TV.
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And my mother-in-law comes over, and she's like, hey, I've got the list of movies that
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you guys talked about.
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Why don't you guys hurry up and put that TV up there, and we'll watch one of Ted's favorite
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movies.
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And I'm like, okay, great.
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The only problem was we ran into a mounting issue with this fancy new TV, because it doesn't
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mount like the other normal TVs in the world.
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And finally, she gave up.
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She was like, I'll see you tomorrow or whenever, and we'll watch the movie then.
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So I disappointed my mother-in-law, but she was excited about your list.
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So there is that there.
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At least there's a silver lining in the moment.
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And I don't know which TV it was, but she had written down the list of movies that she
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had never watched that you had on your list, and then it turned into a thing.
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So now I have a feeling I'm going to be watching some movies with the mother-in-law.
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She's a movie fan like you are.
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And then she asked, she goes, does he go to the movie theater?
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I said, yes, he loves to go to the movie theater.
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Did you go to any movies over the holidays?
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I did.
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I saw Gladiator 2, which I enjoyed.
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It wasn't as good as Gladiator 1, but Denzel's awesome, and so it was fun.
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So Rotten Tomatoes has their rating system.
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If we're going to have a TC rating system, what would you have rated the new one?
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Oh, I don't know.
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On 1 to 5, I'd give it a 3.7.
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I enjoyed it.
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But Gladiator 1 is like a 4.9.
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I don't remember, was Gladiator 1 in my top 25?
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If it wasn't, it could easily have been.
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Gladiator 1 is an awesome movie.
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Gladiator 2 is fine.
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So hold on, on a 5 scale, 0 to 5, what is a perfect 5 movie, just so everybody has a
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barometer here?
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The Princess Bride is right at the top of that list.
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There you go.
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5.0 there.
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I love it.
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All right, so let's get back to the world of politics as well.
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And as we said, I like it.
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We get to talk a little movies here.
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We got a 5.0 Princess Bride.
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If you've never watched it, you better do it.
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That's just part of, if you like this podcast, that's like a price of admission.
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If you've not seen Princess Bride, because you've watched it, what, 50 times in your
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life?
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Probably more.
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More than that, I did get from a friend for Christmas this year a leather-bound copy of
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the book The Princess Bride.
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The book The Princess Bride is wonderful, too, but the movie is exquisite.
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And I do take sort of odd, I don't know, like reverse psychology joy.
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The entire cast of The Princess Bride are all lefties, and they periodically get together
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and they do events to support Democrats, and many of them have been critical of me.
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And actually, oddly enough, Cary Elwes, who is the dread pirate Roberts, and also Wesley,
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so is the male lead in the movie, is a big lefty who I've gotten in Twitter wars with,
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and he finally blocked me.
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Like, he was bashing me.
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And these guys think I can't enjoy their movie because they're little communists,
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and so they say, no, no, no, you have to be a communist to enjoy my movie.
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I'm like, screw you.
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You made your art.
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It's for the world to enjoy.
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You don't get to decide how I enjoy it.
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And amusingly enough, so when I got in a Twitter war with Cary Elwes,
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I have in my office, you've been to my office in D.C., hanging on the wall,
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is a signed photograph of Cary Elwes as the dread pirate Roberts.
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And it is inscribed, not just to Ted, but to Ted Cruz, and, oh, I don't remember what he wrote.
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I should remember what he wrote, but I don't.
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But it's signed by him, and it was my first year in the Senate,
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and we had an intern in the office who went to, like, a Comic-Con convention,
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and he was there signing autographs, and she got him to sign it to me by name.
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And I think at the time he didn't know who I was because he probably would have refused to do it.
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But when we were in the Twitter fight, I took a picture of the framed photo of him
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inscribed to me on my wall and tweeted it out, and he got so mad he blocked me.
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That is actually hilarious.
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All right, so I have my Princess Bride story, and then I promise we'll get to the political world.
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So in high school—
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By the way, there's a lot going on in politics.
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There is, there is.
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But in high school, you can judge me for this.
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We had to do a book report on the Princess Bride.
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Had to read the book.
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You will not be shocked to know that when I was focused solely on playing tennis
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and trying to make decent grades, there is a chance I went and bought the Cliff Notes.
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Oh.
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Not even the movie.
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Not even the movie.
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The Cliff Notes.
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I was like, I got it.
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And then I overachieved, and I went and bought the Spark Notes as well.
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By the way, let me ask you something.
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I think, do our younger listeners know what Cliff Notes are?
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Do those still exist?
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They do.
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Cliff Notes and Spark Notes still exist.
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So that's still a—I mean, look, it's been a while since you and I were in high school
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and college, so I haven't looked for Cliff Notes.
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I think most of them do chat GBT or whatever now, right?
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But if you look at them, it's that—so Cliff Notes is the one that had the yellow and black
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light on the cover.
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Yeah, no, I remember them well.
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Yeah.
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And so someone in the class said, hey, make sure you get the Spark Notes.
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Well, the joke was on me.
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I was a new student at Westminster Academy, and my teacher, I will never forget her best
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teacher I've ever had in my life, Mrs. Perry.
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She made sure that every single question on your test for your book report could not be
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answered by reading the Cliff Notes or the Spark Notes, so I got an F.
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I got an F.
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It was the first time I ever bought Cliff Notes and the last time I ever bought Cliff Notes
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in high school, because she made sure there was not a single question that could be answered
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from Cliff Notes.
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That is a good teacher.
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Benjamin, you have fallen for the second oldest blunder in the world.
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The first, of course, is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but the second, only
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slightly less famous, is never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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And he falls over dead.
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Yeah, there you go.
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So there's, yeah, there's a steady moment for you kids out there.
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I can do the entire damn movie.
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It really is.
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It's a sick party trick.
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And I got to tell you, as a teenager, it was not effective for getting girls.
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It was not.
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No, no, no.
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I have no doubt imagined that.
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I got to say, being a tennis star, I'm sure was more effective in that regard.
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It definitely worked more than quoting Princess Bride.
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That's a low bar.
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I don't know what that's actually saying, but, you know, barely there.
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But, you know, I could go to a Dungeons & Dragons convention and, like, hang out and be just fine.
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Be honest.
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Did you ever go to one?
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Because I never did.
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I didn't know they existed.
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No, I did not go to a convention.
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I did play Dungeons & Dragons as a kid, but I did not actually go to a convention.
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It's sort of, it's kind of like Star Trek.
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I'm sort of a Trekkie in that I've watched all the movies.
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I've watched not 100% of the episodes, but most of them.
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And I really like Star Trek.
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But Trekkies are such, so intense about it that I don't actually dress as Mr. Spock,
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so I don't feel like a full-on Trekkie.
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I just really enjoy Star Trek.
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So the first TV show you and I would have ever connected on then clearly would have been
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The West Wing.
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West Wing is fabulous.
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That was, I've watched it, I don't know, six, seven times.
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See, I only think I've watched it once.
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I watched it when it aired live, and that was before streaming.
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So I was, and Heidi and I were on the George W. Bush campaign at the time, so every night
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it aired Wednesdays, I think at 9 p.m., and we had TVs at the end.
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We all had cubicles.
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We're all in little cubicles at 301 Congress Avenue in Austin, Texas, and at 9 p.m. Wednesday
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at the end of every aisle of cubicles was a TV, and we would stop, and for an hour from
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9 to 10 p.m., every campaign staffer would watch The West Wing, and I watched it live,
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but I don't know that I've ever watched a rerun of The West Wing, so I loved every episode.
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So every time I get sick, every time I'm like the flu or I've had a surgery, that's when
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I will binge watch it, because I have the DVD set, and it's like comfort food.
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It's like you're sick, and you can kind of doze off and take a nap and wake up, and you
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know exactly where you are in the series, and that's when I watch it.
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I never watch outside of when I'm sick, but if I am really sick, in bed, laid up, it
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is West Wing for me the entire time.
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All right, let's get...
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By the way, what series are you watching now?
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This is a complete digression.
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Oh, 100%, I am all into Landman.
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Landman is so good.
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It's so good.
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Landman is crack cocaine inserted in my veins.
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Billy Bob Thornton, I love the man, and Taylor Sheridan can write like nobody's business.
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Yeah, he's like the new Aaron Sorkin of my life, and Sorkin, for people that don't know,
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he did West Wing and several other amazing shows.
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The American President.
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American President, the movie, yeah, Newsroom, the show on HBO.
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Did you watch the Newsroom, by the way?
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I did, it was well done.
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Yeah, so it was one of those, and I actually knew a couple of the people that were, quote,
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consultants on that, the same way that Sorkin had consultants like Dee Dee Myers and others
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on the West Wing, and they wanted to make it extremely accurate in the newsroom.
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At the time, I was a commentator at CNN when Newsroom came out, and I've been, like, every
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time, I think it was every Sunday night, it came out at 9 on HBO, and I was just like,
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watch it religiously.
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Those guys, like you said, Sheridan can write, but yeah, Landman right now is amazing, and
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then obviously they're wrapping up Yellowstone with this, like, last season.
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And by the way, we are going to do a different episode that is not this episode, but we are
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going to do an episode like the movie episode on streaming series to watch, because I've
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got a, I'm on a lot of airplanes, and so I watch a lot of streaming series, but that
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will not be this episode, it'll be later.
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Last thing, what's the top one on your list right now?
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What are you watching streaming, besides Landman?
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So streaming, I'm watching The Gifted, which Caroline, my oldest daughter, asked me to
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watch that.
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It's sort of a mutant series that had two seasons, so I'm in the middle of the second
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season of that.
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And then I'm in season seven of The Walking Dead, which I never watched The Walking Dead
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when it was on air, and so what I'm now, when I'm on airplanes...
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Is it worth it, because I've never watched it?
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Oh, look, it's a bunch of zombies eating your face, like, it's not, is it literature?
00:15:34.400
No.
00:15:35.440
But it's fun, I'm enjoying it, and it is, you know, I do get strange looks on an airplane
00:15:39.820
when I'm sitting there on a plane, and people walk by, and there's a zombie eating someone's
00:15:43.740
face, and there's, you know, people who don't like me are like, figures, yeah, he'd be rooting
00:15:48.600
for the zombies.
00:15:49.080
That's exactly what I expected, he'd be watching.
00:15:51.040
For the record, I'm not rooting for the zombies, but haters gonna hate.
00:15:54.960
Haters gonna hate, I love it.
00:15:56.140
All right, now, let's get back to the political world.
00:15:58.620
I enjoyed that, by the way, that was nice, after Christmas.
00:16:01.640
So, Joe Biden's administration has got some cover-ups going on that the Wall Street Journal
00:16:08.100
Center is reporting on.
00:16:10.000
Behind the closed doors, we found out that the Lably cover-up was a legit cover-up, and
00:16:15.740
now, since he's lost, it's like, oh, we can report on this now.
00:16:19.720
Well, this was a story that came out of the Wall Street Journal December 26, and it really
00:16:24.180
is a bombshell story, and it describes how the federal government, essentially the deep
00:16:30.160
state, under Joe Biden, but this is also true under Trump, they didn't, the journal article
00:16:34.800
doesn't talk about Trump, but I'm very interested to what was happening under the Trump administration
00:16:38.780
as well, but how the deep state covered up the evidence and covered up the scientists that
00:16:45.260
were arguing that the COVID virus escaped from the Wuhan lab in China.
00:16:51.820
And it focuses on, in particular, it starts with Jason Bannon.
00:16:57.400
So, here, I'm just going to read you the beginning of the article, because it lays it out.
00:17:01.120
A car and driver had been ready to whisk Jason Bannon from FBI headquarters early one morning
00:17:05.640
in August 2021 to brief the White House on a novel virus that was killing hundreds of thousands
00:17:10.640
of Americans that had stopped the world in its tracks.
00:17:14.000
Bannon had been told by his superiors to be on hand in case the Federal Bureau of Investigation
00:17:18.540
was asked to join a top intelligence community briefing for the president.
00:17:23.180
But the White House summons never came.
00:17:26.120
Bannon, a PhD in microbiology, had joined the Bureau after the September 11th terrorist attacks
00:17:31.140
in New York and Washington, when the agency bulked up its expertise to deal with the threat
00:17:35.500
of germ weapons, toxins, and other weapons of mass destruction.
00:17:38.860
But for more than a year, he had spent most of his waking hours on the COVID-19 virus that
00:17:43.380
had seeped out of China in 2019.
00:17:46.760
Frustrated by China's stonewalling, President Biden had ordered an urgent assessment by the
00:17:51.140
U.S. intelligence agencies and national laboratories on whether the virus had leapt from an animal
00:17:56.080
to a human or had escaped from a Chinese lab that had been doing extensive work on coronaviruses.
00:18:01.680
The dominant view within the intelligence community was clear when Avril Haines, the director of
00:18:06.400
national intelligence, and a couple of her senior analysts briefed Biden's and his top aides
00:18:10.900
on August 24th. The National Intelligence Council, a body of senior intelligence officers who reported
00:18:16.560
to Haines, and that organized the intelligence review, had concluded with, quote, low confidence
00:18:22.540
that COVID-19 had emerged when the virus leapt from an animal to a human. So did four intelligence
00:18:29.200
agencies. At the time, the FBI was the only agency that had concluded that a lab leak was likely,
00:18:36.740
a judgment that it had rendered with, quote, moderate confidence. But neither Bannon nor any other FBI
00:18:44.420
officials were at the briefing to make the case firsthand to the president. Quote, being the only
00:18:51.820
agency that assessed a laboratory origin was more likely, and the agency that expressed the highest
00:18:57.560
level confidence in its analysis of the source of the pandemic, we anticipated the FBI would be asked
00:19:03.220
to attend the briefing, Bannon recalled in his first on-the-record interview on the subject.
00:19:07.940
I find it surprising that the White House didn't ask. In this article in the Wall Street Journal,
00:19:13.180
it goes on and on discussing Bannon, this FBI scientist, but also scientists throughout the
00:19:19.440
federal government who had laid out evidence early on that COVID came from a Chinese lab,
00:19:24.200
and that evidence was systematically shut down. It was systematically de-emphasized,
00:19:30.020
it appears that it was systematically blocked from going to the White House under Joe Biden. And as
00:19:35.320
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00:19:39.920
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So here's my question, and this is a political one. There are people that are really frustrated
00:20:20.380
with so much that happened around COVID and the answers we didn't get and Fauci lying to Congress.
00:20:27.380
The list goes on and on. And there's people that are frustrated saying, all right, now that Republicans
00:20:31.840
are in charge, what are they going to do about it? Are they going to investigate? Are they going to hold
00:20:36.680
people accountable if they were lying to us, whether it's on the origins, whether it's like getting a
00:20:40.860
function research, there's a long list. Should Republicans go down that rabbit hole and do that?
00:20:47.980
Or is that going to be looked at by many Americans like, move on already? We've done this already.
00:20:53.000
What are you doing already? There's a real political price that you could pay from being
00:20:58.120
out of touch with what the American people want. I know there's people that are angry and are
00:21:01.320
frustrated. But what should the strategy be come January 20th? I think the strategy should be
00:21:07.280
serious transparency. And it should be accountability. It should be number one.
00:21:12.720
So you are in favor of accountability for people that lie to Congress. Okay.
00:21:17.680
So let me start with transparency. And this is a conversation I have had the last couple of
00:21:24.120
weeks with Pam Bondi, who's been nominated to be the attorney general, and with Cash Patel,
00:21:28.500
who's been nominated to be the director of the FBI, and also with the nominee for the deputy
00:21:32.740
attorney general, and with other senior law enforcement nominees. I've said very simply,
00:21:38.060
make the information public. Make it public on January 6th, the confidential informants that
00:21:45.720
were there. Don't give the names. Don't out, obviously, people who were undercover. But make
00:21:51.340
the information public. It is a public interest. And on COVID-19, put the evidence out there and make
00:21:57.720
it public. I believe China was directly culpable. And by the way, I will say this is a prediction
00:22:03.540
that verdict laid out almost before anybody else. We had two different podcasts, I believe, in March
00:22:12.700
and April of 2021, right at the very beginning of COVID, where we laid out the evidence that the
00:22:21.320
COVID virus came from a Chinese lab. And that evidence we're going to do for New Year's, we're
00:22:27.920
going to do an episode going through all of the predictions that verdict has laid out that have
00:22:32.240
come true. Because, look, we have not been shy on taking a risk, on making a prediction, making a
00:22:39.560
counterintuitive. Look, when I said COVID came from a Chinese virus at the time, that was almost
00:22:46.680
universally labeled misinformation. Oh, it was on social media. You couldn't post that. They'd shut
00:22:52.920
you down. It remains remarkable. To this day, I don't know why they didn't block verdict when we said it,
00:22:57.700
because others were getting blocked. Somehow we got through. And by the way, I will say it wasn't
00:23:09.180
just this scientist at the FBI. Let me go back to the Wall Street Journal article. Here's a couple
00:23:14.860
more paragraphs. Quote, three scientists at the National Center for Medical Intelligence,
00:23:20.200
part of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, conducted a scientific study that concluded
00:23:25.460
that COVID-19 was manipulated in a laboratory in a risky research effort. But that analysis was at
00:23:32.980
odds with the assessment of their parent agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and wasn't incorporated
00:23:38.660
in the report presented to Biden. The DIA Inspector General's office opened an inquiry in the spring into
00:23:45.060
whether the scientist's assessment was mishandled or suppressed, people familiar with the matter said.
00:23:50.940
And look, I think this is important. Number one, because we need truth and accountability. I think the Chinese
00:23:58.560
government bears enormous responsibility for the people who died, for the millions who died. 1.2 million Americans
00:24:07.560
are counted as having been killed with the coronavirus. 7 million people worldwide. It was a massive consequence,
00:24:17.320
and the economy shut down globally. Trillions of dollars was destroyed. Millions of lives,
00:24:25.000
trillions of dollars, and I believe the Chinese communist government has direct culpability for that.
00:24:31.140
And I think the Trump administration would be doing America and the world of service for making that evidence public.
00:24:38.300
But I also think it's important. Listen, there's going to be another crisis. We don't want career bureaucrats within the government
00:24:46.060
suppressing evidence that they don't like. We don't want career bureaucrats, the deep state, pushing their preferred narrative.
00:24:54.820
You got to ask why they were leaning in so hard to protect China. Why was that the dominant narrative?
00:25:01.540
And why was everything else shut down? Because the next crisis we face, let's go back to the Wall Street Journal article,
00:25:11.340
because we also saw the scientific community lean in like crazy. Here's another two paragraphs.
00:25:17.480
Talking about two theories, one that it came from an animal naturally, and the other that it came from a lab leak.
00:25:23.280
Quote,
00:25:23.520
Those two theories have also divided the scientific community. In February 2020,
00:25:28.620
more than two dozen scientists published a statement in the medical journal Lancet
00:25:32.500
calling the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory
00:25:36.280
that would jeopardize global cooperation and the struggle against the virus.
00:25:40.960
One of the authors was Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance,
00:25:44.560
a nonprofit that has worked extensively on coronavirus research with the Wuhan Institute.
00:25:51.320
That statement was followed a month later by a March 2020 paper on the proximal origins of COVID-19,
00:25:57.980
in which Kristen Anderson of the Scripps Research Institute and four other scientists argued
00:26:02.580
that the virus wasn't purposely manipulated in the laboratory and almost certainly had natural origins.
00:26:09.420
Now, my view right now, based on the evidence that is public,
00:26:12.600
I think it is overwhelmingly likely
00:26:14.820
that the COVID virus escaped from a Chinese government lab.
00:26:19.520
And I think it is likely, I wouldn't use the word overwhelmingly,
00:26:23.420
but I think it is greater than 50 percent,
00:26:25.720
that the COVID virus was manipulated by those Chinese scientists
00:26:29.660
through gain-of-function research
00:26:31.200
to make it either more deadly,
00:26:34.640
more transmissible,
00:26:36.020
or more in particular
00:26:37.820
able to impact humans.
00:26:42.040
That has not been as conclusively proven
00:26:44.300
as has been proven in my judgment
00:26:46.720
that it escaped from a government lab.
00:26:48.620
It's possible it was a natural virus
00:26:50.420
and they screwed up
00:26:52.080
and it escaped.
00:26:53.340
It is indisputable
00:26:54.740
that China covered it up
00:26:55.960
and did everything they could
00:26:56.780
to suppress it after the fact.
00:26:58.320
But I think it is more likely than not
00:27:00.320
that not only did it escape
00:27:01.440
from a Chinese government lab,
00:27:02.660
but they created it
00:27:03.800
through gain-of-function research.
00:27:05.660
We need to know that.
00:27:07.240
And I got to say,
00:27:08.140
the paragraph I read,
00:27:09.900
Peter Daszak
00:27:10.660
got a whole lot of money
00:27:12.840
at the EcoHealth Alliance
00:27:14.060
for doing research
00:27:15.380
on coronavirus research
00:27:16.600
at the Wuhan Institute.
00:27:17.960
There's every reason to expect
00:27:19.660
he was deeply invested
00:27:21.440
in not having anyone know that.
00:27:23.660
And by the way,
00:27:24.340
so was Anthony Fauci.
00:27:25.620
And Anthony Fauci's culpability,
00:27:28.020
Daszak's culpability.
00:27:28.940
I hope we have congressional hearings on this.
00:27:31.260
I hope we get to the bottom
00:27:32.300
of what actually happened
00:27:33.400
because I think there is virtue
00:27:35.040
to transparency and clarity,
00:27:38.300
both for accountability
00:27:39.980
and responsibility
00:27:41.040
for the Chinese communist government,
00:27:42.680
but also to prevent
00:27:44.800
manipulating the science
00:27:46.080
for the next crisis.
00:27:47.600
So final question on this,
00:27:49.080
and that's going to come back to Fauci.
00:27:51.220
What does accountability look like
00:27:52.960
for a guy like that?
00:27:54.420
Look, I don't know.
00:27:55.520
I think it is likely
00:27:58.000
that Fauci lied to Congress under oath.
00:28:00.640
Lying to Congress under oath
00:28:01.840
is a felony.
00:28:03.100
I've called repeatedly.
00:28:04.000
I've asked Merrick Garland
00:28:05.320
if he's open an investigation,
00:28:07.200
if he's willing to prosecute Fauci.
00:28:09.340
Merrick Garland had no interest
00:28:10.480
in prosecuting Fauci.
00:28:12.000
As I'm sitting here right now,
00:28:13.400
I don't remember the dates.
00:28:14.560
I think it is likely
00:28:15.520
the statute of limitations
00:28:16.620
has expired on prosecuting him.
00:28:19.120
So it may be,
00:28:20.720
I'm not remembering the dates
00:28:22.600
as you and I are doing this right now,
00:28:23.820
but I think there's a good chance
00:28:25.160
that Trump cannot prosecute
00:28:27.060
Fauci for lying to Congress.
00:28:30.040
But I think laying out
00:28:31.380
that accountability is important.
00:28:32.860
And I think the reason
00:28:33.680
the Biden DOJ didn't want to do so
00:28:35.840
is because this has been
00:28:36.980
the most politicized
00:28:38.480
Department of Justice in history.
00:28:40.460
Fauci went before Congress
00:28:42.020
and insisted that
00:28:43.240
that the U.S. government
00:28:44.280
had not paid for,
00:28:46.200
had not funded
00:28:46.960
gain-of-function research.
00:28:48.200
And actually,
00:28:49.360
the NIH came back
00:28:50.540
and had to correct that
00:28:51.320
after the fact
00:28:52.020
and make clear
00:28:52.880
that what he said
00:28:53.580
was false.
00:28:55.160
Which this, by the way,
00:28:56.320
brings me to a perfect
00:28:58.120
segue to the second topic
00:29:00.960
I want to hit.
00:29:01.720
And the way
00:29:03.600
that you're talking
00:29:04.220
about accountability
00:29:05.020
maybe explains
00:29:07.120
why we are now seeing
00:29:08.860
Democrats
00:29:09.680
write articles
00:29:11.160
saying that it's time
00:29:13.540
to steal the election
00:29:14.400
from Donald Trump
00:29:15.380
in The Hill,
00:29:16.200
for example.
00:29:16.980
Congress has the power
00:29:18.280
to block Trump
00:29:19.180
from taking office,
00:29:21.060
but lawmakers must
00:29:22.260
quote,
00:29:22.940
act now.
00:29:24.400
This was an opinion
00:29:25.540
piece written
00:29:26.540
by two different individuals
00:29:27.900
demanding that the Democrats
00:29:30.020
refuse to accept
00:29:31.640
the outcome
00:29:32.280
of the election.
00:29:33.200
So much for the party
00:29:34.160
that's obsessed
00:29:34.720
with democracy, right?
00:29:36.280
Yeah, I gotta say
00:29:37.400
this is an article
00:29:38.600
that was in The Hill
00:29:39.540
that it came out again
00:29:40.520
on December 26th,
00:29:41.580
day after Christmas.
00:29:43.060
It is entitled,
00:29:44.220
Congress has the power
00:29:45.020
to block Trump
00:29:45.600
from taking office,
00:29:46.580
but lawmakers must
00:29:47.480
act now.
00:29:48.620
And it is by
00:29:49.360
Evan Davis
00:29:50.220
and David Schulte
00:29:52.380
who,
00:29:54.200
I don't know
00:29:54.800
either one of these
00:29:55.460
individuals,
00:29:56.020
I don't know anything
00:29:56.540
about them.
00:29:57.200
Their bio says,
00:29:59.720
Evan Davis was editor-in-chief
00:30:01.060
of the Columbia Law Review
00:30:02.020
and David Schulte
00:30:02.780
was editor-in-chief
00:30:03.640
of the Yale Law Journal.
00:30:05.220
Both clerked
00:30:05.840
for Justice Potter Stewart.
00:30:07.760
Davis is a New York lawyer
00:30:08.880
who served as president
00:30:09.660
of the New York City Bar
00:30:10.520
and Schulte is a Chicago
00:30:11.520
investment banker.
00:30:12.680
I don't know these guys,
00:30:14.200
but it's been a long time
00:30:15.540
since Potter Stewart
00:30:16.500
served on the court,
00:30:18.040
which means
00:30:18.540
these are not spring chickens.
00:30:20.020
They were law clerks
00:30:21.100
a long time ago.
00:30:23.340
I mean,
00:30:23.580
I clerked for Chief Justice
00:30:24.960
Rehnquist in 1996
00:30:26.940
and by the time
00:30:28.580
I was there,
00:30:29.180
Potter Stewart
00:30:29.660
had been long, long gone.
00:30:31.700
And I gotta say
00:30:32.400
the most screamingly
00:30:33.460
funny part of it is
00:30:34.540
they begin their bios
00:30:35.620
with they were editor-in-chief
00:30:36.680
of the Columbia Law Review
00:30:37.580
and the Yale Law Journal.
00:30:39.020
Like, I'm sorry,
00:30:40.060
these are presumably
00:30:41.000
accomplished lawyers
00:30:42.000
who are grown-ass adults
00:30:43.180
and they're quoting
00:30:44.460
the law review
00:30:45.620
they were on
00:30:46.340
when they were 24 years old.
00:30:48.440
That's just ridiculous.
00:30:50.020
And it actually,
00:30:52.720
it makes the rest
00:30:54.560
of the article make sense
00:30:55.880
because,
00:30:57.720
listen,
00:30:58.000
part of the reason
00:30:58.600
our academy
00:30:59.220
is so messed up
00:31:01.480
is you have people
00:31:03.660
who are disconnected
00:31:04.500
from reality
00:31:05.420
who are hardcore leftists.
00:31:07.600
Far too many people
00:31:08.580
in our universities
00:31:09.760
are openly Marxist.
00:31:12.740
When I was at Harvard Law School,
00:31:14.000
there were more professors
00:31:15.480
on the faculty
00:31:16.260
who were explicitly Marxist
00:31:18.260
than there were
00:31:19.500
who were Republican.
00:31:20.400
And it wasn't even close.
00:31:21.140
There were more than a dozen
00:31:22.480
by their own self-description
00:31:25.380
Marxist professors.
00:31:26.600
There was only one
00:31:27.680
open Republican
00:31:28.580
on the faculty
00:31:29.200
when I was there.
00:31:30.200
But what these two
00:31:32.120
numbskulls are arguing
00:31:33.360
is that Congress,
00:31:35.160
when we come together
00:31:36.060
on January 6th,
00:31:37.260
should block Trump
00:31:39.420
from becoming president
00:31:40.440
and we should do so,
00:31:41.560
they argue,
00:31:42.600
under the 14th Amendment
00:31:43.760
Section 3 of the Constitution
00:31:45.260
that says no person
00:31:46.760
shall hold any office,
00:31:48.180
civil or military,
00:31:49.180
who, having previously
00:31:49.980
taken an oath
00:31:50.620
to support the Constitution,
00:31:52.040
shall have engaged
00:31:52.720
in insurrection
00:31:53.320
or rebellion
00:31:54.360
against the same.
00:31:55.720
Now, they argue
00:31:57.120
this has been
00:31:58.180
disqualification.
00:32:00.420
The evidence of Trump's
00:32:01.340
engagement in insurrection
00:32:02.740
is overwhelming.
00:32:04.240
It has been decided
00:32:05.080
in three separate forums,
00:32:06.800
they write,
00:32:07.220
two of which
00:32:07.640
are fully contested
00:32:08.400
with the active participation
00:32:09.220
of Trump's counsel.
00:32:10.360
The first
00:32:11.220
was Trump's
00:32:12.280
second impeachment trial.
00:32:14.000
The second contested proceeding
00:32:16.200
was Colorado's
00:32:17.180
five-day
00:32:17.860
judicial due process
00:32:20.880
hearing
00:32:21.240
where they found
00:32:22.040
that Trump had engaged
00:32:23.160
in insurrection
00:32:23.720
and barred him
00:32:24.260
from the ballot.
00:32:25.220
And finally,
00:32:26.160
there is the bipartisan inquiry
00:32:27.560
of the House Select Committee
00:32:28.620
to investigate
00:32:29.300
January 6th.
00:32:30.960
Now,
00:32:32.020
the stupidity
00:32:33.140
of this argument
00:32:34.040
literally leaps off
00:32:35.260
of every syllable
00:32:36.040
of every word
00:32:36.800
that they have written.
00:32:37.960
Let's take the first.
00:32:39.640
Okay,
00:32:40.020
a bunch of partisan Democrats
00:32:41.600
impeach Trump
00:32:42.760
because they hate him.
00:32:44.300
And by the way,
00:32:44.760
to be clear,
00:32:45.360
verdict was launched
00:32:46.380
in response
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not to the second impeachment
00:32:48.520
but in response
00:32:49.260
to the first impeachment trial
00:32:50.600
because we have seen
00:32:51.600
lawfare against Donald Trump.
00:32:54.040
Trump derangement syndrome
00:32:55.580
is real.
00:32:56.540
It is a serious mental illness.
00:32:58.500
These people are friggin' nuts.
00:33:00.140
They hate his guts.
00:33:01.320
They've lost their minds.
00:33:02.660
And at this point,
00:33:03.460
understand,
00:33:04.660
these two numbskulls
00:33:05.880
and every other Democrat
00:33:07.400
who engages in fantasy
00:33:10.500
about this
00:33:11.440
is an election denier
00:33:13.660
and an insurrectionist.
00:33:15.300
They are trying to say,
00:33:16.460
we don't care
00:33:16.880
that the voters voted.
00:33:17.840
We don't care
00:33:18.440
that the result
00:33:19.000
was overwhelming.
00:33:19.800
We don't care
00:33:20.500
that of the seven
00:33:21.580
contested battleground states,
00:33:23.380
Donald Trump won,
00:33:24.300
not one,
00:33:24.740
not two,
00:33:25.120
not three,
00:33:25.500
not four,
00:33:25.880
not five,
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not six,
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but seven,
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all seven.
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We don't care.
00:33:29.800
We are angry leftists
00:33:31.100
and their argument is
00:33:33.020
we should block it.
00:33:35.000
Now,
00:33:35.260
to be clear,
00:33:36.600
they said there were
00:33:37.240
three different proceedings
00:33:38.820
that had determined
00:33:39.560
he was an insurrectionist.
00:33:40.660
The first was
00:33:41.200
the impeachment trial.
00:33:41.980
Of course,
00:33:42.800
the impeachment trial
00:33:43.680
is two parts.
00:33:45.400
One is the impeachment
00:33:46.260
of the House of Representatives
00:33:47.340
and partisan Democrats
00:33:48.300
did impeach him,
00:33:49.000
but then it went to the Senate
00:33:49.900
and there was a trial.
00:33:51.280
And at the end of the trial,
00:33:52.380
Donald Trump was acquitted.
00:33:54.040
They ignore that fact.
00:33:55.020
It literally is not mentioned
00:33:56.020
in the Rop ad.
00:33:57.040
The second
00:33:57.740
is the Colorado,
00:33:59.700
the radical partisan decision
00:34:01.320
of the Colorado Supreme Court,
00:34:03.300
except for the fact
00:34:04.300
that the U.S. Supreme Court
00:34:05.720
unanimously
00:34:07.220
reversed that decision.
00:34:09.540
By the way,
00:34:09.860
that's another prediction
00:34:10.740
I made on this podcast.
00:34:12.560
When the Colorado Supreme Court
00:34:13.900
came back down,
00:34:14.940
I said this will be reversed
00:34:16.240
and it will be reversed
00:34:17.160
unanimously.
00:34:18.240
That's what the court did.
00:34:20.240
They barely acknowledged
00:34:22.220
the Supreme Court reversed it,
00:34:23.520
but they just kind of ignore it
00:34:24.520
and say,
00:34:24.720
well,
00:34:24.980
that's another way
00:34:25.720
it was determined
00:34:26.240
in a decision
00:34:27.120
that has been reversed
00:34:27.960
unanimously
00:34:28.740
by the Supreme Court.
00:34:30.360
And the third,
00:34:31.240
I really laugh,
00:34:32.180
is the, quote,
00:34:33.240
bipartisan inquiry
00:34:34.340
of the House Select Committee
00:34:35.380
to investigate January 6th.
00:34:37.240
Now, it's bipartisan
00:34:38.000
because Liz Cheney
00:34:39.640
and Adam Kinzinger,
00:34:40.600
two people fully afflicted
00:34:42.060
by Trump derangement syndrome,
00:34:43.180
were included.
00:34:43.960
Of course,
00:34:44.240
Nancy Pelosi allowed
00:34:45.320
no Republicans on it.
00:34:46.400
Who, by the way,
00:34:46.880
voted for Kamala Harris
00:34:48.460
and Joe Biden.
00:34:49.720
So let's not forget that.
00:34:51.040
But they're like,
00:34:51.520
oh,
00:34:51.780
they act like
00:34:52.420
they were Republicans.
00:34:53.380
No, they're not.
00:34:54.540
Look, to be clear,
00:34:55.520
and by the way,
00:34:56.060
both of them
00:34:56.560
also campaigned against me.
00:34:57.800
I was really grateful for it.
00:34:58.740
I think that was quite helpful.
00:34:59.740
Probably drove votes my way.
00:35:01.280
But to call
00:35:03.080
that inquiry bipartisan
00:35:04.960
when the way
00:35:07.120
committees are put together
00:35:08.980
on Capitol Hill
00:35:09.820
is that both sides pick,
00:35:13.340
the Republicans pick,
00:35:14.320
the Republicans on the committee,
00:35:15.400
the Democrats pick,
00:35:16.100
the Democrats on the committee.
00:35:17.440
Well, for the January 6th committee,
00:35:18.960
Nancy Pelosi said,
00:35:19.800
no, no, no.
00:35:20.720
I'm picking the Republicans.
00:35:22.480
And the only Republicans
00:35:23.520
I will allow on
00:35:24.660
are people who hate Donald Trump,
00:35:26.220
who are foaming at the mouth,
00:35:27.580
who will do everything they can
00:35:28.720
to destroy Donald Trump.
00:35:29.980
They're the only ones
00:35:30.860
I will allow on.
00:35:31.700
And so, you know,
00:35:34.100
when you had other Republicans
00:35:35.860
that Kevin McCarthy
00:35:36.720
was trying to put on,
00:35:37.980
Nancy Pelosi said,
00:35:38.600
nope, they are not welcome.
00:35:40.500
We only take Republicans
00:35:43.040
who agree with the Democrats
00:35:44.040
on everything.
00:35:44.900
That ain't a bipartisan inquiry.
00:35:46.660
And by the way,
00:35:47.340
we're getting more and more evidence
00:35:48.460
of just how skewed that was.
00:35:50.460
The point is,
00:35:51.960
at the end of the day,
00:35:53.020
it doesn't really matter
00:35:54.820
what this op-ed was
00:35:56.280
other than it is a window
00:35:58.180
into the eyes
00:35:59.440
of what the hard left is.
00:36:02.960
They hate Trump so much.
00:36:06.180
Sigmund Freud talked about projection
00:36:07.760
and the left engages
00:36:09.660
in projection all the time.
00:36:11.900
Everything they accuse
00:36:13.300
their enemies of doing
00:36:14.480
is what they are doing.
00:36:15.780
They claim to be
00:36:16.960
defending democracy.
00:36:18.900
This may be the most
00:36:20.140
anti-democratic article
00:36:22.540
I have ever read,
00:36:23.720
which is saying
00:36:25.200
that Congress should say,
00:36:26.540
I don't care
00:36:27.560
that the voters elected Trump.
00:36:29.020
And by the way,
00:36:29.700
they don't dispute
00:36:30.300
that the voters elect Trump.
00:36:31.400
They fully accept,
00:36:32.860
yes, the American people
00:36:34.280
came to vote
00:36:35.100
and want Donald Trump,
00:36:36.500
but we know better
00:36:37.760
than they do.
00:36:38.880
And so take a stand
00:36:41.040
and take a stand
00:36:43.060
to block
00:36:43.900
what the voters want.
00:36:45.160
Why?
00:36:45.620
Because we are Democrats
00:36:46.840
and we hate democracy.
00:36:48.620
They don't say that,
00:36:49.360
but that's clearly
00:36:49.880
what they can include.
00:36:51.300
Yeah, so much for the party of,
00:36:52.840
hey, we're all for
00:36:53.540
whatever the people want.
00:36:54.760
No, when it comes down to it,
00:36:56.100
this is what they do.
00:36:57.580
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