Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay and Buck

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00:00:04.560 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:05.640 Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now.

00:00:10.940 I am a dad.

00:00:11.980 So you now got two dads talking to you here on the show.

00:00:15.480 Clay, an old grizzled, grizzled veteran of fatherhood.

00:00:19.540 Me, new.

00:00:19.960 Gray bearded.

00:00:20.440 Gray bearded dad.

00:00:22.040 I'm a rookie to this fatherhood thing, but I have to tell you, I absolutely love it.

00:00:26.040 And I appreciate so much all of the just the kind words and well wishes and everything from the moms and dads out there and everybody who were so kind as I was out for a few days.

00:00:36.500 Carrie, my wife, a total trooper, never lost her temper, never was anything other than upbeat during.

00:00:44.520 It was pretty long, pretty long time in the hospital.

00:00:47.720 But I was going to say we got through it.

00:00:50.100 She got through it.

00:00:50.980 I was there for moral support.

00:00:52.080 And the only thing I learned is probably next time, wait until my wife is out of the hospital before I'm like, when can we have more?

00:00:58.620 So I was like, can we can we do two or three of these?

00:01:01.780 This is awesome.

00:01:02.940 So, yes, the baby thing is incredible.

00:01:05.040 And if I seem a little even more upbeat and ebullient about the future than ever, it's because, well, you all, those of you who have had kids, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:01:14.640 And the grandparents out there, you know that you just it just kind of puts you in a frame of mind and a mood.

00:01:19.000 So everything is great.

00:01:19.820 Carrie's doing fantastically.

00:01:21.040 The baby's adorable, healthy.

00:01:23.620 Everything is great.

00:01:24.540 Thank you so much, Clay.

00:01:25.720 Thank you for rocking out.

00:01:27.740 I was listening when I was out because, you know, as one does when you're just sitting around in the hospital, talk radio is like your salvation when you are stuck in a hospital room for for hours, hours and hours on end.

00:01:39.060 So I was listening to podcasts and stuff.

00:01:40.760 Great shows.

00:01:41.380 And I say we just jump right into it.

00:01:43.660 And if you guys want to talk more, talk more fatherhood ideas or the first few weeks or anything, we can just throw that into the mix as we go.

00:01:50.180 But, yes, I'm in kind of like walking on cloud cloud nine attitude, as I'm sure you all understand.

00:01:55.760 It was fantastic, but we've got a country to save and we've got a lot of things going on as well.

00:02:00.920 So let's just lay out there that we'll discuss this the situation, Clay, of of this individual who has been sent the case of Gilmar Abrego Garcia, who has been sent to El Salvador.

00:02:15.720 And now it's in the it's in the courts and the libs are saying Trump has to bring him back.

00:02:21.720 And Trump's like, that's foreign policy related.

00:02:23.540 A judge can't actually review it.

00:02:24.900 So we'll discuss this.

00:02:26.000 I think it's very interesting.

00:02:28.140 I also threw out an idea on Twitter, which I don't think is crazy.

00:02:30.900 Maybe this is crazy, but I don't think this is crazy.

00:02:34.120 Trump Trump International El Salvador.

00:02:37.100 I think it would send such a signal.

00:02:39.100 This country is incredibly safe.

00:02:40.680 He's talked about it in Gaza, for heaven's sakes, which is not incredibly safe.

00:02:43.920 I think that this would send such a signal that great allies of the United States, people that make the right decisions.

00:02:51.440 And I think it's a lovely place.

00:02:53.600 The problem with El Salvador used to be that it was the murder capital of the world per capita or in the top three.

00:02:58.340 Now it's the safest country in the Western Hemisphere.

00:03:00.940 So I think time to start putting in some some foreign investment.

00:03:05.040 I think the Trump International or whatever they want to call it, Trump San Salvador would be a pretty cool.

00:03:09.700 So if anyone has a line into Eric Trump of the Trump Organization, I just think it's an interesting idea.

00:03:15.160 But, Clay, I want to start with this one.

00:03:18.240 The Trump.

00:03:20.080 Let's just say what it is.

00:03:21.020 The Trump war on woke campuses and Harvard University has found out the Trump administration is going to freeze two billion dollars that had been committed to this.

00:03:31.420 It is tax day today, which we'll talk more about.

00:03:35.380 So as Clay pointed out to me before the show, I think this is a particularly worthwhile time for us to say, hold on a second.

00:03:43.740 So the government backs the student loans with no, you know, with no risk to these institutions whatsoever.

00:03:52.060 And so that lets them jack up the tuition endlessly.

00:03:55.720 When my dad went to Harvard Business School, Clay was he was a doc boy.

00:04:00.660 That's what they call them.

00:04:01.560 And waiting tables over the summer to make money to pay.

00:04:05.340 And you could.

00:04:06.460 Yes.

00:04:06.560 The business school was like two grand for for the year for the semester.

00:04:09.980 This is obviously like 1970.

00:04:12.000 But now these schools are 80 grand, 75, 80 grand a year.

00:04:16.440 It's outrageous.

00:04:16.980 And on top of that, they're getting billions of dollars of research money and their left wing lunacy factories.

00:04:24.080 I like that Harvard and a bunch of other schools are getting some heat from the Trump team and that this is a real initiative.

00:04:30.120 This is they're not just coming up with this ad hoc.

00:04:32.620 They want to make universities abide by the spirit of not only the Constitution, but the American ethos.

00:04:40.000 This is where Hillsdale College gets it right.

00:04:42.320 And I'm not saying that just because they're a sponsor.

00:04:44.420 I love a lot of what they put out into the educational ecosystem on a variety of different levels.

00:04:50.340 But think about this.

00:04:51.740 It is tax day.

00:04:53.180 And I'm sure many of you are like me, stroking checks that you don't want to stroke to send to a government that you feel is likely to be wasting the money that you are giving them.

00:05:02.600 And that you could spend that money or save that money or utilize that money that you earned better than the government could.

00:05:09.300 I am with you.

00:05:10.300 Our tax rates are far too high.

00:05:11.760 OK, with that being said, colleges right now, colleges get and team, you can correct me on this if I'm wrong.

00:05:19.680 But I think this is pretty much true everywhere.

00:05:22.040 They get tens of billions of dollars in direct cash payments from the American taxpayer.

00:05:28.880 That should end.

00:05:30.220 And we'll talk about that in a moment.

00:05:31.620 But we're giving them property tax subsidies in almost every city and state.

00:05:37.260 And we are giving them tax exemption, meaning that their endowments can grow without having to be taxed in the same way that yours and mine's earnings are taxed.

00:05:48.620 If you give them property tax exemptions and you give them not for profit status so they don't have to pay taxes, the taxpayers are already subsidizing colleges and universities to a massive degree to build on what Buck said.

00:06:03.620 Then we also subsidize student loans and try to take the risk from the university itself and place it on the American taxpayer, our government.

00:06:12.680 Why in the world are we also giving them tens of billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies?

00:06:19.760 I don't think any college or university should get any of our taxpayer dollars.

00:06:24.380 I think a subsidy on property taxes and on not for profit status should give them plenty.

00:06:30.520 Plus, their endowments let them actually deal with their own cost structure.

00:06:35.220 Right. I mean, there are limits on these things, right?

00:06:37.760 If you think about religious institutions, they are tax exempt, but you tend to people understand why proselytizing, for example, if that's if the government was funding that there'd be an issue.

00:06:50.320 Right. Well, why are universities getting all this money that they can then use to pay salaries, administrative costs, all this other?

00:06:57.380 They say it's for research as if they're all running DARPA, you know, Defense Advanced Research Project Agency out of the Pentagon.

00:07:04.000 Like they're all figuring out how to give sight to the blind or really important, amazing stuff.

00:07:08.600 I guarantee if you think there's fraud, waste and abuse in the federal government, just wait until you see what the administrative staffs of universities have turned into.

00:07:18.020 This has been true across education, by the way.

00:07:20.440 My friend Inez Felcher has done great work on this clay.

00:07:23.140 Something like administrative headcount, and this is true from nursery and public schools and the very beginning of education, all the way up through universities and Ph.D. programs.

00:07:36.620 Administrative staff has grown at breakneck pace in the last 20 or so years, like six times what actual teaching staff has.

00:07:45.080 So whatever you think about how fast teaching staff is growing and the administrative staff, and this is where you get DEI.

00:07:52.320 This is where you, I mean, meaning people that that's their job.

00:07:54.960 We had diversity deans at my college.

00:07:58.680 That was an actual job title, and there were a lot of them.

00:08:01.780 And their job was to just march around and make sure that you never said a naughty thing or took a non-approved position in public on the town square in the college green, or you'd be in trouble.

00:08:13.000 You'd have to go to re-education camp, which did happen to people, I might add.

00:08:16.960 That was one of the punishments.

00:08:18.060 You'd have to go and do, like, sensitivity training, essentially, Clay.

00:08:20.520 And, you know, the other part of this that I love is the, so, yes, the tax, a lot of you are saying, why are my tax dollars going to subsidize?

00:08:27.640 Harvard has a, what's the endowment, $60 billion, something like that?

00:08:31.460 I was talking about that yesterday, and I meant to look up with the, I'm going to look it up right now, because, again.

00:08:37.880 It's outrageous.

00:08:39.040 Yes.

00:08:39.940 Yes.

00:08:40.180 I mean, this is, this is an amazing amount of money that they have piled together.

00:08:44.680 $53 billion as of last year.

00:08:47.660 That's astonishing.

00:08:49.080 Astonishing.

00:08:49.440 And so you sit here, and you say, well, hold on a second.

00:08:52.680 You're, as you're getting ready to, you know, or hopefully you've already got it in, but if you're getting it in the last minute, pay your taxes, and you're trying to make ends meet.

00:09:01.060 Harvard, with its tens of billions of dollars sitting in the bank, and all these bloated salaries for professors who maybe teach a class once a week and take sabbaticals of a year where they get paid and all the, I mean, the waste and everything in this is met.

00:09:12.980 The other part of this, Clay, is the university system, we have to be honest, the same way the federal bureaucracy has become a province of the left, and essentially a form of permanent left-wing governance.

00:09:27.500 That is not, that is not about elections, right?

00:09:30.220 The federal bureaucracy, if you, the EPA, until Trump came along, was Democrats getting what they want, whether it was a Republican or a Democrat administration.

00:09:39.120 The university system, it's the same thing.

00:09:41.220 It's, you know, who wins, who loses, doesn't change the faculty at Harvard, doesn't change the board of overseers, and they are factories of the left-wing insanity that has infected so much of this country in recent years.

00:09:56.300 They're not teaching people important stuff.

00:09:58.200 They're teaching people left-wing nonsense, and so I think it's time that they're held to account.

00:10:02.760 I just think, at a bare minimum, if you want to have complete independence, you should do what Hillsdale College did.

00:10:10.200 Harvard has $53 billion in their endowment.

00:10:15.240 They have, again, it's not like they have to pay a massive amount of tax on that endowment every year.

00:10:23.020 They return around 8%, 9%, 10% probably a year on average, so they're growing that at a $5 billion a year clip.

00:10:31.420 I don't think that a government should be in the business of dictating to colleges exactly what they can do, but if you take our taxpayer dollars, then the government does have a say in what you do.

00:10:46.320 I mean, that's been established for a long time.

00:10:48.740 Go back and read Bob Jones' put on my constitutional law hat.

00:10:53.340 When the government gives you money, they have a right to be involved in the way that you run your college and university.

00:11:00.960 And I think the biggest solution here as we sit on tax day is why are we giving billions of dollars in subsidies, tens of billions of dollars in direct cash subsidies,

00:11:12.240 from our tax dollars to these universities.

00:11:15.880 They should be able to make their business, which is the university, work without needing any money from the federal government at all.

00:11:23.600 And if they can't, they've got to cut back like most businesses would that don't have tens of billions of dollars in federal dollars coming in.

00:11:30.080 But, and I know what they're going to do now, they're going to say the research grants that they're going to, they're going to try to promote the New York Times is going to come forward.

00:11:36.980 Because remember, this is, this is, this is like the cathedral of the left.

00:11:40.720 This is so important to them to have dominance, not just of, of education in a broad sense, Clay, but of elite educational institutions.

00:11:49.820 They have seized, so-called elite, they have seized these places and leveraged them for their own maximum benefit.

00:11:56.800 They turn into indoctrination factories for kids to come out with, yeah, I know not everybody.

00:12:02.780 I went to Amherst, you know, you went to, you went to law school at Vanderbilt.

00:12:05.480 You can go to these places and not come out a communist, but I'm sure Vanderbilt's probably, well, I don't know.

00:12:10.820 How left-wing is Vanderbilt?

00:12:11.980 I have no, I don't think, I think Vanderbilt is actually committed, I, a credit to the new chancellor of Vanderbilt.

00:12:18.000 They kicked all the protesters out.

00:12:19.920 They have a, they, they have the University of Chicago free speech code.

00:12:23.580 It's been solidly committed.

00:12:25.240 They just re-signed the chancellor for 10 years.

00:12:28.080 I'm really very confident in the direction Vanderbilt's going, but, but I hope that other schools follow that lead.

00:12:33.780 And I don't think it's coincidental that Vanderbilt's able to go that direction while being based in a state like Tennessee.

00:12:39.240 Well, that's what I was going to say.

00:12:40.000 I think the SEC schools in general, Buck, are a little bit different than your Northeastern Ivy League schools.

00:12:46.600 As the weather gets better, the schools get less insane.

00:12:49.220 Not always true, but, you know, I know there's Duke and there's some exceptions to this.

00:12:52.780 But as things get warmer, I think you tend to have less.

00:12:56.160 The most, the most radical stuff is in the Northeast.

00:12:58.480 It's where I went.

00:12:59.080 It's in the areas where I went to school.

00:13:00.920 That's where you have the craziest stuff.

00:13:02.320 Maybe the Pacific Northwest, too.

00:13:04.160 But there's nothing that, that really can compare to how crazy those places are.

00:13:08.500 How, you know, Brown University, Wesleyan University, these, these institutions.

00:13:11.960 But, Clay, I would just say, I think this is, this is important.

00:13:15.480 You know, Stephen Miller is reportedly very much involved with this working group that's, that's going after.

00:13:21.120 And I think it's, it's necessary to put these universities on notice.

00:13:25.540 They've been engaged in racism.

00:13:28.140 Yes.

00:13:28.580 According to the Supreme Court, they've been engaged in racism for a long time.

00:13:31.940 These are racist institutions that are getting, these are constitutional violators.

00:13:36.480 They're violating the right that all of us have to be judged, not by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character or by our SAT scores.

00:13:46.360 They are in violation.

00:13:48.540 And still, to this day, they're, they're trying to just pull all these games.

00:13:51.780 So part of, we can get into some of what the Trump administration wants from them.

00:13:55.840 They want an end to all DEI programs.

00:13:57.640 This is to continue to get federal funding.

00:13:59.560 They want access to admission records because they know that all these schools are just, they're ignoring the Supreme Court.

00:14:06.160 They're just going to keep doing what they did, which is making sure that they have, you know, the percentage of black students they want, the percentage of Native American students they want, and so on and so forth.

00:14:15.300 They're going to do that, even though that's a violation of what the Supreme Court has said.

00:14:19.820 So I think this is, I think this is great.

00:14:22.540 And it also is going to change people's thinking because one of the things, you know, Clay, I'll be honest about this.

00:14:27.160 Whenever I would have, I don't know what your experience was with this.

00:14:30.140 Whenever, you know, earlier on, particularly in my media career, like young conservatives would reach out to me.

00:14:34.420 They would say, I have a professor who is a communist, like I'm going to write a paper that really tells him.

00:14:40.300 And I said, no, I said, no, because I want you to get the best possible.

00:14:44.460 I'm not saying don't lie, like don't write things that you'd be embarrassed by, but don't think you're going to die on this hill and be a hero by getting an F as a student at some school.

00:14:53.660 Your parents are paying God knows how much money to set or that you're taking out loans to go to.

00:14:57.440 Get the best job you can be as successful as you can help change the country when you get out of that place, because you're not going to change it really effectively from the inside.

00:15:07.180 I think the mystique of a lot of these places is fading.

00:15:10.480 And that's part of the power the left has counted on.

00:15:13.280 Like, oh, I went to Harvard.

00:15:15.060 Even let me look at some of the people went to Harvard.

00:15:16.700 They're morons.

00:15:17.260 I know this.

00:15:19.520 Your wife went to the University of Florida.

00:15:21.960 It's almost impossible to get into the University of Florida.

00:15:24.460 We were just talking to one of our neighbors whose boy wants to go there, and they're talking Ivy League equivalent SAT scores, or ACT, I guess, if you're in the South.

00:15:33.080 Ivy League equivalent scores to get into the University of Florida now.

00:15:36.140 Everybody wants to go.

00:15:37.660 University of Tennessee.

00:15:39.260 Buck, when I was a kid, 17, 18 years old, you basically had to have a pulse to get into the University of Tennessee.

00:15:45.440 They have tens of thousands of applicants now.

00:15:48.440 It's become increasingly difficult to get in there.

00:15:51.680 University of Georgia, it's almost impossible.

00:15:53.960 UF.

00:15:54.560 I mean, what's happening is people are voting with their actual dollars.

00:15:58.540 And I'll tell you this.

00:15:59.360 When I was a kid, nobody from Chicago, L.A., or New York City would brag about sending their kid to an SEC school.

00:16:06.220 Now they all do.

00:16:07.840 That's a major cultural shift.

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00:18:13.360 Welcome back in.

00:18:14.580 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:18:17.560 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the program here.

00:18:23.500 We've been breaking down a lot of different stories out there.

00:18:26.260 Buck back, new dad, baby in the house.

00:18:29.020 Very exciting.

00:18:30.000 We'll continue to talk about that.

00:18:31.700 Appreciate all the fabulous responses we've gotten so far.

00:18:35.120 So, Buck, I want to hit this story because I think it's important and I think it ties in

00:18:39.180 with a little bit about what we were discussing, which is the inability to distinguish between

00:18:43.480 good and evil.

00:18:44.120 And in particular, this story is from Texas, north of Dallas, I believe Frisco, Texas.

00:18:54.120 And for those of you who did not hear about this story, a 17-year-old Austin Metcalfe was

00:19:01.900 stabbed to death at a track meet by another 17-year-old named Carmelo Anthony.

00:19:08.340 Anthony has been arrested.

00:19:10.840 He's been charged with the crime.

00:19:12.700 He admits that he did it.

00:19:14.080 It appears that his argument is going to be predicated on some form of self-defense.

00:19:19.200 In other words, there is no disputing that he had a knife and that he stabbed this kid

00:19:24.720 in the heart and killed him.

00:19:27.820 The 17-year-old who was stabbed to death, Austin Metcalfe, died in his twin brother's arms.

00:19:35.120 This is an awful story.

00:19:37.520 It has received a substantial amount of attention.

00:19:41.320 In the wake of the stabbing, the family of Carmelo Anthony set up a legal defense fund and

00:19:51.320 it was hosted by an individual company and that fund has raised over $400,000.

00:20:01.840 Now, to be fair, the company that is allowing this fund to be raised is the same one.

00:20:09.320 Their position is, hey, you should be able to raise money for your legal defense.

00:20:13.820 We're not going to make decisions based on what you're charged with, what your race is.

00:20:18.940 They are going to allow it to be set up no matter what.

00:20:22.400 So this is not GoFundMe.

00:20:23.920 This is another one.

00:20:25.060 But he's raised over $400,000.

00:20:27.320 They just lowered his bail from $1,000,000 to $250,000.

00:20:37.980 Since you only have to pay 10% usually in order to get bail, that's just $25,000 of the $400,000

00:20:48.140 plus that has been raised for him, the family bought a new house, Buck.

00:20:53.340 The family has reportedly bought a new house with the $400,000 that has been raised for this

00:21:03.620 17-year-old who is accused of, in cold blood, murdering another 17-year-old at a track meet.

00:21:11.740 Stabbed him in the heart.

00:21:12.900 Killed him.

00:21:14.480 What does it say for society today?

00:21:18.760 I think you can tie this in with the Luigi Mangione case.

00:21:22.640 I think you can tie it in with what happened on October 7th, that someone can stab teenage

00:21:29.480 boys, one can stab the other one in the heart, and over $400,000 can be raised.

00:21:36.460 The bail can be reduced, which seems crazy to me.

00:21:39.260 He's only having to pay $25,000.

00:21:41.400 And they're buying a house with all of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations

00:21:46.860 that has rolled in the family.

00:21:48.600 Well, here's how I would want to approach this, Clay.

00:21:54.020 There are almost 20,000 murders and non-negligent manslaughter cases in the United States every

00:22:03.820 year, right?

00:22:04.520 Depends on the year, but let's call it roughly 20,000 murders a year in this country.

00:22:11.380 That's right.

00:22:11.880 One kind or another.

00:22:12.620 Why is this murder getting, or alleged murder, right?

00:22:18.380 This is legally what we're supposed to say.

00:22:20.340 But why is this incident?

00:22:21.780 And the facts aren't in dispute.

00:22:23.020 It's not like he's saying, I didn't stab him.

00:22:25.060 He stabbed him to death.

00:22:26.460 Yes.

00:22:26.760 Everyone saw it.

00:22:27.340 This is a...

00:22:28.100 So why are there people who are donating money for this legal defense who have never donated

00:22:33.660 money for anyone else's legal defense?

00:22:35.200 Why is there this groundswell of people who want to assist the Carmelo Anthony family here?

00:22:45.380 Not the Metcalf family, notably.

00:22:47.940 Not the family that just lost their boy for absolutely no reason whatsoever in the most

00:22:53.020 vicious and violent way.

00:22:55.420 They don't care about that family.

00:22:57.380 They care about the Carmelo Anthony family.

00:23:00.220 I think we have to ask this question, and I don't think that there's a single answer.

00:23:06.420 I think there are many different answers.

00:23:08.260 I think that there are people who like to believe different narratives.

00:23:13.780 I think there are people who like to feel like they are advancing the cause of justice by

00:23:21.700 assisting those who are oppressed.

00:23:24.420 That's one way of saying it.

00:23:26.700 Because this is the other thing.

00:23:28.620 I'm seeing people who are saying it's self-defense.

00:23:31.740 This is the line that you are hearing everywhere.

00:23:34.060 And unfortunately, that is an outrageous claim under these circumstances.

00:23:39.760 Yes.

00:23:41.260 Because what they're doing is they're saying, well, Carmelo Anthony had a credible fear

00:23:47.020 or a reasonable fear of his own safety and or life, and so he reacted in this way.

00:23:52.140 If this is self-defense, anybody who has a crossword with anybody in any high school anywhere across

00:23:58.180 the country can murder that person in cold blood in front of their family members at a

00:24:02.980 crowded event and get away with it.

00:24:05.100 It's true.

00:24:05.820 And anyone who is donating money to this individual is really donating money to the most toxic and

00:24:13.740 cynical and divisive aspects of American politics, I think that they are, and society, I think that

00:24:21.820 they are really adding fuel onto the fire here of a lot of discontent and resentment.

00:24:30.620 And let's just be honest about this.

00:24:34.200 They've decided that because this kid is black, they are going to back him to the greatest degree

00:24:40.560 possible while he stabbed this white kid to death.

00:24:44.820 And you want to ask, why is that?

00:24:47.460 Are they trying to, is this supposed to be some kind of a reckoning moment?

00:24:50.840 Are they trying to force some kind of OJ situation here where it doesn't matter what he did?

00:24:56.700 I mean, what exactly is the point that they make with all this monetary and public support

00:25:02.480 of this 17-year-old who stabbed another kid to death in front of his dad?

00:25:07.460 I'll go time to kill for a second time today, but can you imagine the reaction if a white kid

00:25:13.580 stabbed a black kid to death at a track meet, gets his bail reduced from $1 million to $250,000,

00:25:21.940 raises over $400,000, and the family buys a new house with it?

00:25:28.240 It would be the very definition of white privilege.

00:25:32.220 Everybody, I believe it.

00:25:33.620 People would be saying that it's a resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan or something.

00:25:36.840 I mean, they would be saying it's a white supremacist groundswell.

00:25:40.800 That's what the media, and I don't just mean totally.

00:25:42.580 The media would be saying that.

00:25:44.040 There would be protest marches.

00:25:45.580 It would be everywhere.

00:25:46.440 And I don't begrudge.

00:25:49.440 Producer Ali says, well, how in the world are you going to argue self-defense?

00:25:53.920 He has no other defense.

00:25:56.120 So, again, I've been a criminal defense attorney.

00:25:58.880 I don't begrudge the argument of self-defense when you admit that you stabbed somebody in

00:26:03.700 the heart with a knife.

00:26:04.780 Well, hold on.

00:26:05.280 That applies to the lawyer.

00:26:08.500 Correct.

00:26:08.740 I'm talking about people that are buying this and saying, I'm going to give money to try

00:26:13.300 to help this family.

00:26:14.840 Well, why does Carmelo Anthony's family, does Carmelo Anthony's family should be, you

00:26:19.340 know, begging for forgiveness and saying, we're sorry that our son murdered somebody

00:26:24.400 for no reason?

00:26:26.020 Yes, he has no defense.

00:26:27.760 So, the only defense he has is self-defense.

00:26:31.120 So, yes, that's the legal, that makes sense.

00:26:34.200 That's the lawyer's job.

00:26:35.880 That's the only defense he has.

00:26:37.780 But why would anybody else buy into that?

00:26:40.240 And how in the world do you reward the family who has failed?

00:26:45.840 Look, if your 17-year-old, white, black, Asian, or Hispanic, stabs another kid to death at

00:26:53.240 a school event, you failed as a parent in some way.

00:26:57.620 I'm sorry.

00:26:58.420 You did.

00:26:59.660 So, the idea that the parent would be rewarded, you can't tell me that the kid took a knife

00:27:06.000 to school, if you are taking knives to school, this goes for anybody out there, your kids,

00:27:13.120 your grandkids, something's wrong.

00:27:14.860 I told my kids this recently.

00:27:16.560 I said, hey, I understand that people have guns.

00:27:20.280 If you're a high school kid, and you find yourself out with other high school kids who have loaded

00:27:27.360 weapons, you've made a very poor decision.

00:27:30.880 You need to extricate yourself from that situation.

00:27:34.140 If you find yourself taking knives that could be used to stab someone to death to school,

00:27:41.120 you have failed in some way as a parent to allow that situation to occur.

00:27:45.840 I agree with a lot, of course, but who is donating to this?

00:27:54.020 What is the mentality?

00:27:55.880 Why are you giving money to this?

00:27:57.680 He has been assigned $400,000.

00:28:01.180 Not even just donating, donating tons of money.

00:28:03.940 This is what I mean.

00:28:05.340 Who is giving money for this?

00:28:08.000 And what is the mentality behind that?

00:28:10.840 You would have to, to truly believe this was a self-defense case, you would have to be

00:28:17.280 such a moron that you can't spell self-defense.

00:28:20.880 There's just no way.

00:28:22.360 It's not possible.

00:28:24.100 I think it's identity politics.

00:28:25.780 I think it's purely, hey, this is a black kid who killed a white kid.

00:28:29.520 I would bet if you go and look at the donors, I think a large majority of them would be white

00:28:35.540 liberals whose brains are broken, and I think black people who are buying into the idea that

00:28:41.700 because this black kid stabbed a white kid, that he is somehow the victim, and he's being

00:28:47.560 cashiered by the media and attacked unfairly.

00:28:50.580 So I think if you went and looked, I think this is the other thing, Buck.

00:28:53.720 I think this would be 95% Kamala Harris voters, right?

00:28:57.820 If they voted at all.

00:28:59.100 Definitely.

00:28:59.460 It's all Democrats who are donating the money, 100%.

00:29:02.580 But I mean, when you think about, again, I just, the mentality of somebody, so is it,

00:29:09.340 for some of these individuals, it's, you know, there's like guilty white liberal, you know,

00:29:13.400 guilty conscience white liberals who think, I'm just going to help this young black kid

00:29:17.820 because he made like a mistake, and I don't want his whole life, so they're going to write

00:29:22.140 a check even though he murdered somebody, or allegedly murdered somebody, right?

00:29:26.360 Yeah.

00:29:26.580 And then you, I guess you have members of the black community who are just deciding,

00:29:30.760 well, he's black, so I'm going to stand with him in this.

00:29:32.900 But to that, I just want to say, why would you stand with this black murderer and not

00:29:38.600 any of the others?

00:29:40.140 That is, you know, like, why are you picking this?

00:29:42.000 Because it's a high-level case where he killed a white guy?

00:29:44.420 Like, what message are people trying to send?

00:29:48.920 I think the message of racial division.

00:29:50.900 Here's another question, and I think answer, that makes this story, again, I hate that this

00:29:56.100 is a story, but I do think it is a snapshot of the world in which we live for some people.

00:30:02.420 If he had stabbed a black kid, which is far more common, right?

00:30:06.520 Most victims of racial violence are the same race.

00:30:10.120 If he had stabbed a black kid to death, same exact situation, but the kid's black.

00:30:14.420 Not one person, by and large, would have heard about it.

00:30:17.320 Nobody would have raised money for him.

00:30:18.800 I doubt they would have dropped his bail.

00:30:21.200 I bet that it would have barely made local Dallas news.

00:30:25.320 It certainly wouldn't have become a national story.

00:30:28.380 White kids' lives, in the eyes of the media, are worthy of cover when they are taken violently

00:30:35.260 in a situation like this.

00:30:37.200 Because it's happened so regularly to young black men that if a young black man kills another

00:30:44.280 young black man, it's barely a blip on the national radar.

00:30:48.460 The only reason this is a story is because there was race involved.

00:30:53.240 If it's black-on-black crime, not a story at all.

00:30:56.020 That's the other part of this.

00:30:57.140 And nobody donates to the guy of the $400,000 buck.

00:31:01.120 I bet he wouldn't have been able to raise $4,000 if he had stabbed another black kid to death.

00:31:05.660 Think about the poison that will be injected into the veins of the American populace if

00:31:15.480 this kid is either hung jury or gets off, which you can't discount as a possibility.

00:31:22.000 All you need is one.

00:31:22.780 You don't know what the jury is, but yes, it just needs one.

00:31:26.420 Right?

00:31:26.800 And now what we've seen is there's a movement to make this kid into some kind of a victim.

00:31:32.440 The facts are not in dispute.

00:31:34.460 Okay?

00:31:34.720 You don't, at an event, at a high school event where there's people everywhere, you don't

00:31:39.980 get to just pull a knife out and stab somebody in.

00:31:42.660 By the way, I've said this to friends of mine too, Clay, because this does matter.

00:31:46.560 You know, you can pull a knife out, and it's a bad thing to do, obviously, but if you pull

00:31:50.040 a knife out, you know, you slash somebody on the arm, you know, you kind of, you go like,

00:31:55.800 hey, buddy, like the next one.

00:31:57.080 For most people, if you pull a knife out, it ends the entire confrontation without you

00:32:02.320 even having to wave it anywhere.

00:32:03.700 People are like, dude, chill, I'm out.

00:32:05.240 To stab somebody in the heart is to go for intentional, lethal force right away when you're under no

00:32:13.280 threat.

00:32:14.000 It is vicious.

00:32:15.240 It is barbarous.

00:32:16.420 And this kid should spend the rest of his life in prison.

00:32:20.020 I mean, I know the Supreme Court said he's not 18, so they won't, you know, you can't

00:32:24.620 go beyond life in prison, but the fact that people are raising money for this is, it's

00:32:30.480 just, it's just appalling.

00:32:31.900 How about dropping the bail?

00:32:34.140 Why isn't the bail getting dropped from a million, 250, all you have to pay is 25K to

00:32:39.200 get out of prison after you stab somebody to death?

00:32:42.340 That seems wild to me.

00:32:44.660 How do you think, if you're a J6 defendant who walked into the Capitol building for like three

00:32:49.820 minutes and took a selfie and you were denied a trial for over a year while you sat in solitary

00:32:56.560 confinement in D.C., how do you, how would you look at this?

00:32:59.940 I know it's all the federal versus state.

00:33:01.680 Yeah, but it's all our justice system.

00:33:03.880 Does that seem fair to anybody?

00:33:06.160 Look, we're having this conversation and I think it's an important moment to just remind

00:33:09.960 all of you, politics, when it comes to self-defense, the big thing.

00:33:14.180 And if you have to defend yourself, especially in a state like California or New York,

00:33:19.820 you need someone to have your back when you do lawful self-defense.

00:33:25.460 And this is where U.S. Concealed Carry Association, USCCA comes in.

00:33:30.180 They have over 860,000 responsible gun owners as members across the country.

00:33:34.460 I'm one myself.

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00:33:45.560 If you're going to carry, if you're going to own a firearm, you need to have this.

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00:33:53.340 The bills that people end up running up for lawful self-defense, mind you, lawful self-defense

00:33:58.740 is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars easily in a case.

00:34:02.320 Go ask any lawyer.

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00:34:35.240 The maniac is probably going to sue him, just so you know.

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00:35:22.120 Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show.

00:35:26.700 A lot of people rolling in with reactions to the story.

00:35:30.880 And again, I think from down in Texas, the stabbing family buying a brand new home.

00:35:38.980 Let me tell you something, Buck.

00:35:41.300 $400,000 gets you a really good home in many parts of Texas.

00:35:46.200 That is not even just a, that's a really good home that they're buying off legal defense

00:35:55.260 fund donations.

00:35:56.140 Now, I question whether that's legal because if you're raising money under the auspices

00:36:01.620 of, hey, we're going to retain really good lawyers who could cost hundreds of thousands

00:36:08.060 of dollars, criminal defense attorneys could, and then you use the money that you ostensibly

00:36:13.680 were raising for legal defense to buy a home, that seems like a misappropriation of the

00:36:19.700 funds that were raised in the way that they're being used.

00:36:23.120 Paying the bail money, that would be somewhat understandable because it is connected.

00:36:27.860 The fact that the bail was dropped from $1,000,000 to $250,000 is crazy to me.

00:36:32.820 The fact that you can kill someone and get out of prison for $25,000,000 blows my mind.

00:36:40.000 I don't know the standard dollars that are applied here.

00:36:43.560 Again, for people who don't know, usually you have to put forward about 10% of the bail

00:36:46.780 money and the other parts covered.

00:36:49.160 But the fact that that could end up in this situation, Alan Dershowitz cut 29 is saying

00:36:55.260 what we just said, which is, and it's interesting because Alan Dershowitz was one of the defense

00:37:00.300 attorneys for O.J. Simpson, but he is saying, hey, if the race dynamics here were reversed,

00:37:06.080 everybody would be talking about it in a totally different way.

00:37:09.220 Here's cut 29.

00:37:10.400 This is all about who the jury is.

00:37:11.900 This will all be determined by the jury.

00:37:14.000 If the racial factors were reversed, if a white man had killed an unarmed black man,

00:37:21.280 everybody would be on the reverse side of this.

00:37:23.720 We live in a society where everything is judged by race.

00:37:27.060 The Bible says to judges and prosecutors, don't recognize people.

00:37:32.780 Just do abstract justice.

00:37:34.580 We're way, way, way beyond that.

00:37:37.140 If the racial elements were reversed here, virtually all the people who are calling for him to be

00:37:41.320 acquitted would be calling for him to be convicted and vice versa.

00:37:44.980 Let's not kid ourselves.

00:37:46.140 We live in a race-conscious society.

00:37:49.020 And jury selection, which, of course, your other guest is so brilliant at and did so well

00:37:54.920 in the Zimmerman case, is determined the outcome of this case, without a doubt.

00:37:58.940 So he's saying the jury selection, as we kind of hinted at, Buck, would determine.

00:38:02.800 Now, I don't know what the makeup of juries in Frisco, Texas typically is.

00:38:07.080 But, again, I'm just focused on what we know has happened here.

00:38:10.880 Stabbing definitely occurred.

00:38:12.520 Only defense is self-defense.

00:38:14.140 That seems very weak to me from a legal perspective.

00:38:17.280 And the family has now bought a new multi-hundred-thousand-dollar home, and he's only had to pay $25,000

00:38:23.440 to get out of prison for this.

00:38:25.020 He is profiting, and his family is directly profiting, off of murdering in cold blood

00:38:30.520 a completely innocent 17-year-old at a track meet.

00:38:34.040 And I'll take some of the calls.

00:38:35.460 Some people are saying, well, this could be self-defense.

00:38:38.400 I'm sorry.

00:38:39.020 No, actually, it cannot be self-defense, because there's no reasonable way to explain how a

00:38:46.620 verbal dispute over seats could turn into, I have to pull a knife out of my bag and stab

00:38:54.240 you in the heart with it.

00:38:55.620 If that now is the standard of self-defense, anybody who doesn't like anyone else can basically

00:39:00.980 get away with killing them and say, I don't like what he said to me.

00:39:04.440 I was scared.

00:39:05.080 I feared for my life, because I don't like the look in his eyes.

00:39:09.920 I also think the point you raised is a really good one.

00:39:13.480 You should not have a knife that is capable of murdering somebody with ever at school or

00:39:19.980 at school-related events.

00:39:22.060 But for 99.9% of people in America, if somebody pulls a knife, the dispute is over, right?

00:39:31.340 There are not very many people who are going to, if you are unarmed and someone holds a

00:39:36.740 knife to you, most of us are not going to be Crocodile Dundee and pull out a bigger knife

00:39:42.100 and be, that's not a knife, this is a knife, right?

00:39:44.420 Actually, I trained with some guys from Fort Bragg who are edge weapons guys back in the

00:39:48.560 day.

00:39:48.820 Just a little introductory stuff.

00:39:50.620 I'm not, you know, Tommy Lee Jones and the Hunted, which is a pretty cool movie for all

00:39:54.640 the knife fighting they do, if you haven't seen it.

00:39:56.040 But anyway, but I did some introductory stuff with them, Clay.

00:39:58.400 And one thing they just said, they're like, you have to understand, if somebody has a

00:40:01.620 knife and you're barehanded, you're just trying to get out alive, but you're going to get

00:40:06.340 cut, you're going to get stabbed.

00:40:08.280 And, you know, you're in a lot of trouble.

00:40:10.300 If somebody has a knife and they know what they're doing, you're going to die.

00:40:12.840 Like, you're basically, the disadvantage is much stronger than people.

00:40:16.440 Everyone sees these things in the movies where, like, they catch someone's wrist when they're

00:40:20.220 about to get stabbed and they go like, karate chop, karate chop.

00:40:23.100 That's not how it works.

00:40:24.280 I've seen videos of teams, SWAT teams in a stack coming in and a guy has a knife and

00:40:30.240 he's able to stab, you know, they do this, it's training, right?

00:40:32.860 But they'll show on video, he was able to get like two or three karate strikes on these

00:40:36.720 guys before they could even shoot him.

00:40:38.200 And that's, and so this is what people don't realize.

00:40:40.140 Like, a knife is a far more lethal tool than most people understand.

00:40:45.340 And to stab somebody in the heart, that's not, I mean, that is, you went, he went for

00:40:49.860 a, effectively a kill shot right off the bat.

00:40:54.260 And his, you may have seen some of the data on this.

00:40:58.900 Many people stabbing someone with a knife.

00:41:02.000 We talked about this in the context of the, uh, I, uh, I, Idaho murders, right?

00:41:07.580 The, uh, the allegation about the girls who were all sliced up and everything else.

00:41:11.360 It is for many people, a far more violent, personal, deadly, and sociopathic in many ways,

00:41:20.680 way to kill someone than the remote nature of a gun.

00:41:24.600 And I'll give you an example historically, Buck, you know, in the civil war, every musket

00:41:30.720 by and large had a bayonet, but actual hand to hand and bayonet fighting was very rare

00:41:38.260 in the war by and large, because it was seen as so much more violent and brutal and nasty

00:41:45.520 to be trying to stab someone with a sharpened bayonet on the end of your rifle than to stand

00:41:52.700 and shoot at people from a distance.

00:41:54.500 In other words, this is a particularly violent choice that this 17 year old made and for him

00:42:02.960 to be being rewarded for it and for it to be largely ignored in the, in the national consciousness

00:42:09.860 is I think just a sign of, of our inability to distinguish good and evil.

00:42:13.720 Something else that I would just say, uh, because this is obviously already playing out so much

00:42:17.640 in the press, so it's not like they're holding back.

00:42:19.560 There's not some big reveal that's coming about facts.

00:42:21.860 We don't know if there was some relevant basis for the self-defense claim, like,

00:42:28.020 oh, I thought he said he had a gun and he reached for it, which there's nothing like that at all.

00:42:32.660 But if there was something like that, you would already know.

00:42:36.500 Yes.

00:42:36.940 Because they would want that out there because they know a jury pool is going to be formed

00:42:41.260 and they would want, you know, there is the, there is, this kid was in the wrong place,

00:42:45.980 uh, Anthony, he was in the wrong place.

00:42:48.840 And this kid, you know, it's sports.

00:42:50.700 People get a little, you know, Clay, you know all about this.

00:42:53.200 People can get a little riled up about their sports teams or whatever.

00:42:55.980 And he's like, hey, you're in the wrong place.

00:42:57.840 They exchanged some words.

00:42:59.720 And then he says, well, he like grabbed his backpack or something.

00:43:03.500 I think that's, that's my understanding of, of how this went down.

00:43:07.740 And someone grabbing your backpack again, the context matters.

00:43:12.140 This isn't a dark alley with two people.

00:43:14.120 These are two people who are rival high schools.

00:43:16.300 There's parents, there's adults around their security there.

00:43:18.960 They're in broad daylight.

00:43:20.280 They're in public.

00:43:21.200 There is no reasonable basis for believing that your life is in jeopardy

00:43:25.240 and you need to kill somebody with the knife that you kept in your bag.

00:43:28.460 I would also throw this out there.

00:43:30.200 Is it legal to have a knife on, on, on school grounds like this?

00:43:33.700 No, of course not.

00:43:34.640 So he's got an illegal weapon, everybody.

00:43:36.580 How about we, how about, why haven't you heard that more?

00:43:39.040 Why haven't you heard more that Anthony, uh, Carmelo Anthony was carrying an illegal weapon?

00:43:44.020 You think, you think that wouldn't come up if this was a little bit different?

00:43:47.020 I remember, cause some of you called in about what about Rittenhouse?

00:43:49.980 And we could talk about that all day because I actually know, uh, uh, Richie McGinnis who

00:43:56.300 was there and I witnessed and had to testify about it.

00:44:00.000 And the guy that kind of, uh, with, uh, the guys that Kyle Rittenhouse shot attacked him

00:44:04.380 and one of them had a gun in his hand when he was shot.

00:44:07.260 Okay.

00:44:08.120 So this is not even vaguely comparable situation, but the Democrats were all saying he, well,

00:44:14.180 he took a gun and maybe he crossed state lines with it.

00:44:17.280 So it's like, well, he's law, he was allowed to have a rifle in Wisconsin, but if he took

00:44:21.540 it from Michigan and cross state lines with it, maybe that cause they were desperate to

00:44:25.480 make it seem like it was illegal for him to have the gun.

00:44:27.760 That was the whole game.

00:44:28.880 And also they were trying to make it look like he was crossing state lines with a weapon

00:44:32.680 to try to kill someone, even though it was just a suburb and it's like he lived 10 minutes

00:44:37.240 from the state line or whatever for people who live close to a state border crossing state

00:44:41.260 lines is not actually that big of a deal in many of your lives.

00:44:44.180 This is what, this is what I mean.

00:44:45.380 All of a sudden they became, you know, legal formalists and like extremely detailed about

00:44:50.880 any possible violation when it came to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:44:53.900 But this kid's carrying a knife long enough to kill somebody.

00:44:56.360 And that's also a thing.

00:44:57.400 I mean, you really, you know, I mean, I could get into this, but there's actually a length

00:45:01.480 of, of blade that is able to puncture places that can puncture and kill somebody.

00:45:09.220 I mean, you can get into some of the specifics of this.

00:45:10.620 I'm sure some of you from the military side have edge, have edge weapons training.

00:45:13.540 You know what I'm talking about?

00:45:14.740 There's a length of blade that makes it pop.

00:45:16.840 You know, if you have a, basically if you have a two inch Swiss army knife, yeah, I mean,

00:45:21.160 you could stab somebody with it and you could do harm, but it's very, very hard to,

00:45:25.000 you know, to puncture the sternum, very, very hard to get into the sub subclavial artery

00:45:31.120 and the, you know, kind of the neck sternocleidomastoid region.

00:45:35.280 It's very hard to do that.

00:45:37.060 If you have a knife, it's long enough.

00:45:38.040 It's actually not hard to do that at all.

00:45:39.400 And this kid clearly did.

00:45:40.680 And I just come back to, if you truly were worried about the situation, the minute you

00:45:46.740 pull the knife out, everybody's done, right?

00:45:49.960 99, unless you are Jason Bourne, people are not trying to disarm you without a weapon of

00:45:55.740 their own.

00:45:56.320 That, that entire interaction would have been over the minute he brandished the knife.

00:46:01.800 If he truly felt threatened, everybody would have been like, whoa, dude.

00:46:05.680 All right.

00:46:06.480 And then everyone walks away alive.

00:46:08.780 And this kid maybe is, you know, suspended or expelled from school and goes before a judge

00:46:13.640 and maybe does 60 days in juvie and is told, do you ever do something to this again?

00:46:16.920 You're in big trouble.

00:46:18.000 But, you know, no.

00:46:19.980 Stabbed him in the heart.

00:46:21.580 Stabbed him in the heart.

00:46:22.540 You're going to tell me he didn't know what he was doing.

00:46:25.180 Think about the mentality.

00:46:26.600 And also this thing to the trend say, oh, you know, he's, he's a, he's a really good kid

00:46:30.520 too.

00:46:30.840 I'm like, you know, guys, please.

00:46:33.320 All right.

00:46:33.700 Uh, there's been, there's been no, no sense of any, um, uh, no sense of remorse Clay from

00:46:42.840 anyone who is taking Carmelo Anthony's side in this at all.

00:46:46.520 No sense of sadness for the loss of Austin Metcalf.

00:46:49.320 No sense of, oh my gosh, what a, now they're trying to say it's a tragedy on both sides.

00:46:53.560 Yeah.

00:46:54.200 No, no, no.

00:46:55.360 Actually, it's a tragedy on one side.

00:46:56.900 It's a criminal and a tragedy.

00:46:58.100 It's not the same thing.

00:46:59.280 And I mentioned this.

00:47:00.300 I should have circled back to it.

00:47:01.700 Um, there will be wrongful death lawsuits.

00:47:04.600 I would imagine if this individual is convicted or even if he is not the standard of, uh, liability

00:47:12.840 is beyond like, clearly this guy would be guilty, uh, culpable for, uh, the monetary damages

00:47:20.520 in a wrongful death lawsuit, which is what would happen in a civil context.

00:47:24.540 The standard of proof is much lower.

00:47:26.680 So yes, the family could theoretically seize back this home, but I would suggest this violates

00:47:32.580 the donation terms to be buying a home, uh, instead of actually retaining a lawyer, which

00:47:38.120 is what people were donating for.

00:47:40.580 Well, at this point, you know, I think the, the bigger question will be, does he, um, does

00:47:47.600 he take this all the way to trial?

00:47:48.720 And does he think that he can get a jury, you know, does the defense for Anthony think

00:47:53.560 that they can get it all they needed?

00:47:55.080 Clay knows very well, better than, better than most.

00:47:57.520 All you need is one person on that jury.

00:47:59.280 I just says, nope, not happening.

00:48:01.740 Even if the rest of them say, come on, it's obvious hung jury.

00:48:05.140 And then things get messy, you know, and then there's a state want to retry this and you

00:48:09.620 get into all this stuff.

00:48:10.900 It's not that hard.

00:48:11.980 And it looks like they're gearing up for that.

00:48:13.840 And I just, the message that this would send the country is terrible in all counts and all

00:48:21.120 ways.

00:48:21.840 It is really, really bad.

00:48:24.060 Uh, and so it would be even the P this, what I mean by this clay is even the people who are

00:48:29.500 clearly like rooting for, uh, for, uh, Carmelo Anthony in this, in this situation, it would

00:48:37.020 be better for them to, if he actually faces justice and has to, uh, you know, and has to

00:48:43.240 serve time for this.

00:48:44.240 I mean, that, that is actually better for everyone, every better for the country, but we'll see

00:48:48.840 if that ends up happening.

00:48:50.840 Um, look, uh, we're talking a lot about self-defense here and, you know, I'm a dad now and one of the

00:48:55.660 profound things you have and the dads out there all know this.

00:48:58.520 Some of the moms know this too, but you have this little being and you would do anything

00:49:01.660 to protect them.

00:49:02.280 Right.

00:49:03.080 Um, and, and you feel that way.

00:49:05.400 You also want to have the means and that can involve force escalation and look at how

00:49:10.840 important we're talking about a story where there was no force escalation and, you know,

00:49:14.620 somebody used a weapon the wrong way.

00:49:17.000 I want you to be able to defend yourselves in the right way and have non-lethal options

00:49:22.840 to keep yourself safe, but not have to make that decision, uh, about lethality right away.

00:49:30.600 And a lot of people are just more comfortable with this and they know that in so many situations,

00:49:34.600 it will be more than sufficient.

00:49:36.420 And this is where Sabre comes in.

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00:49:40.060 I'm actually giving my mother-in-law who's visiting us a bunch of Sabre products to take

00:49:43.240 home with her because she feels like she is more comfortable having those and using those.

00:49:48.900 Yes, I got a whole safe full of guns here, but I've also got my Sabre products and Carrie

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00:50:05.120 Clay and I have trained with this thing out there on the range.

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00:50:17.180 That's just going to stop anybody who's creating a, you know, a menace and a threat to you

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00:51:26.600 Just a brief addendum or update to something we mentioned in the first hour about how Trump

00:51:35.460 and the White House are going after these woke universities, holding them to account,

00:51:41.160 saying no more free ride on federal tax dollars.

00:51:43.880 Trump has now said that he is considering taxing Harvard as a political entity, which this goes

00:51:50.940 to show you he's not backing down on this at all.

00:51:53.400 I think one component of the Trump administration that I really like and I think is very effective

00:52:01.640 and very in the moment, you know, it's it's a Trump knows what time it is strategy, and

00:52:10.100 that is the offense, offense, offense, meaning do things, go for things, go after the parts

00:52:17.180 of this country, whether it's institutions or it's deep state or it's bureaucracy.

00:52:23.400 Or whatever, go after the problems everywhere, all at once with everything that you can lawfully

00:52:32.680 under the Constitution.

00:52:33.860 Great example of this, Clay, the border numbers year over year for March have come in, and

00:52:41.180 this March there were something like 7,000 encounters at the border the entire month.

00:52:47.200 I think the previous year there were 137,000.

00:52:51.140 So, yeah, it can be done, right?

00:52:53.740 We don't notice we don't spend as much time talking about the border on the show.

00:52:57.140 We were we were banging the drums and, you know, hitting all the alarms for years on this program

00:53:03.220 because we needed to because of how insane it was.

00:53:06.100 And I think we were as focused on it as absolutely anybody else out there, perhaps more so.

00:53:10.060 I think it was one of the primary issues that propelled Trump and the Republicans to this

00:53:14.640 enormous victory they had in this last election.

00:53:18.040 But, Clay, there are still there's still a lot to be done, and they're moving on all fronts.

00:53:25.020 That then takes me to the deportation component of this and how the Democrats have decided that

00:53:31.860 this is really this is an area where they want to fight.

00:53:35.860 They want to dig in.

00:53:36.700 And it brings me to Kilmar Obrego Garcia.

00:53:41.500 Now, he is an alleged MS-13 gang member.

00:53:46.160 Stephen Miller has been absolutely en fuego on the television talking to people who will listen,

00:53:53.960 at least, about how this is not a close call.

00:53:57.160 This is no longer under the authority of any federal judge to try to change or overturn.

00:54:02.460 And here is a former attorney general of the state of Florida, my home state, Pam Bondi,

00:54:07.040 now the U.S. attorney general, who is just saying, look, the people that are telling Bukele,

00:54:12.560 the president of El Salvador, that he has to give this this guy back, this gang member back,

00:54:18.200 they're living in a fantasy world.

00:54:20.280 Play one.

00:54:20.960 Listening to all these liberal reporters, they keep calling him a Maryland man.

00:54:25.040 He's not a Maryland man.

00:54:26.380 He's part of a foreign terrorist organization.

00:54:28.860 He's a member of MS-13, who, as you laid out in your monologue, came to this country and committed

00:54:35.520 just gang acts.

00:54:37.960 He was caught and he was two judges, an immigration judge and an appellate judge,

00:54:43.520 ruled that he was an MS-13 member as well as ISIS testimony.

00:54:48.740 Yet his attorneys are saying he's not affiliated with the gang.

00:54:52.360 They're wrong and he has no right to be there.

00:54:54.880 And President Bukele does not want to give him back to the United States, nor do we want

00:54:59.720 him back.

00:55:01.420 Clay, what do you think happens here?

00:55:04.100 It's such an interesting question.

00:55:05.800 This is where I put on my lawyer hat.

00:55:08.280 I mean, the Supreme Court didn't say that America had to bring him back from El Salvador.

00:55:15.280 And Bukele yesterday said, why would I return this individual to the United States?

00:55:21.840 There now are reports, which are crazy, that I believe the senator from one of the senators

00:55:27.740 from Maryland, at least, is saying, I'm going to travel to El Salvador to make sure this guy's

00:55:32.460 OK.

00:55:33.460 He's an illegal.

00:55:34.240 I mean, I look at this and I just say, this is where Trump has outsmarted many of his critics.

00:55:43.260 Do you really think very many people in the United States think that senators should be

00:55:48.600 traveling out of our country to make sure that people who had no business being here are being

00:55:53.580 held in a manner that you find to be acceptable in a foreign country?

00:55:58.320 And so I think this is just the reflexively anti-Trump perspective that has lit the Democrat

00:56:05.380 brand on fire.

00:56:06.880 Unless the court says you have to return this, the Supreme Court says you have to return this

00:56:14.500 person from El Salvador, which I don't think they're going to do because it gets into foreign

00:56:18.820 policy.

00:56:19.980 Then I think this story is just going to eventually go away because I don't think it's that compelling.

00:56:25.400 I do think it's significant the way that Pam Bondi there says, and you talked about this

00:56:30.960 in the way that they define someone, Maryland dad, Maryland man.

00:56:36.940 No, he's an illegal immigrant that had no ability to be here and he's been deported.

00:56:42.880 And so the way that you decide to classify someone, the pictures that you choose to use, remember

00:56:49.060 when they used, this was years ago, but remember when they would use in the situation,

00:56:55.400 down in, uh, down in Florida, they would often use pictures of somebody who's like four or

00:57:00.880 five years older.

00:57:01.760 What was the, uh, the, the shooting situation, the self-defense case in Florida?

00:57:05.700 Oh, where's Zimmerman with Trayvon Martin.

00:57:08.600 They had Trayvon Martin.

00:57:10.760 They had photos of him.

00:57:11.500 He was like 12 with his graduation cap on.

00:57:14.460 He was like 18 years old and 165 pounds.

00:57:17.520 And over six feet tall.

00:57:19.040 I mean, he was like a big grown man and they would use photos of him when he looked like

00:57:23.640 he was 13 or 14 years old.

00:57:25.620 The way that you, not even, he was, he was like 11, he was 11 or 12.

00:57:29.320 They were using prepubescent photos of an 18 year old man.

00:57:33.100 They also changed the audio tape, which somebody at one of the, uh, news affiliates got fired

00:57:37.560 for.

00:57:37.760 They actually edited the tape to make Zimmerman seem more racist.

00:57:40.920 That was also clay.

00:57:41.780 The rise of the white Hispanic conversation.

00:57:45.860 Uh, you know, if his name happened with Michael Brown in, uh, in Ferguson, where they tried

00:57:51.340 to make it seem like he wasn't in any way engaged in violent acts.

00:57:55.380 That story just kind of vanished when the Obama media was presenting Mike Brown as a gentle

00:57:59.540 scholar.

00:58:00.240 That's wearing a, his, every photo of him from the New York times was him in a, you know,

00:58:05.840 like a graduation cap looking like he's about to start his MD program somewhere.

00:58:10.760 Right.

00:58:11.400 And the reality was there was a video of him doing a strong arm robbery a few minutes

00:58:16.280 before the incident with the cop, which is why he got pulled over.

00:58:19.100 So he left, he did, he was not wearing his cap and gown during the strong arm robbery.

00:58:23.320 No doubt.

00:58:24.040 And the way that these stories are told are significant here, by the way, is Caroline

00:58:27.960 Levitt just a little bit ago.

00:58:29.560 Cut 30.

00:58:30.600 She just did an hour white house press briefing saying, yeah, he's not coming back.

00:58:35.560 Cut 30.

00:58:36.580 Abrego Garcia was a foreign terrorist.

00:58:39.080 He is an MS-13 gang member.

00:58:41.720 He was engaged in human trafficking.

00:58:44.000 He illegally came into our country.

00:58:46.500 And so deporting him back to El Salvador was always going to be the end result.

00:58:51.100 There is never going to be a world in which this is an individual who's going to live a

00:58:55.180 peaceful life in Maryland because he is a foreign terrorist and a MS-13 gang member.

00:58:59.960 Not only have we confirmed that, President Bukele yesterday in the Oval Office confirmed that

00:59:04.860 as well.

00:59:05.300 So he went back to his home country where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation

00:59:10.420 and his engagement in human trafficking.

00:59:12.520 I'm not sure what is so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand.

00:59:16.900 And it's appalling, truly appalling, that there has been so much time covering this alleged

00:59:22.980 human trafficker and this gang member, MS-13 gang member.

00:59:27.140 However, it's truly striking to me.

00:59:29.200 I think what this represents is a flailing attempt to find something that sticks.

00:59:37.040 Think about it.

00:59:37.920 In the last three or four weeks, what have we heard?

00:59:40.940 The talking point was egg prices are out of control.

00:59:43.900 Trump is making you pay more for eggs.

00:59:46.060 Well, wholesale egg prices are down and you are going to be paying substantially less than

00:59:50.840 you were when Biden was in office if you aren't already very soon.

00:59:54.000 So that story has vanished.

00:59:55.120 Stock market, last week, oh my goodness, for the last 10 days, oh my goodness, the stock

01:00:00.380 market's going to collapse.

01:00:01.680 You're going to, everybody's going to lose all their money.

01:00:04.320 Trump has no idea.

01:00:05.220 Well, it's gone, right?

01:00:06.240 Stock market's basically the same price it was in September.

01:00:08.840 That has faded as the sort of lack of movement has declined, right?

01:00:16.620 Now the new argument is, oh, Trump's going to deport you, right?

01:00:20.600 That's what they're really trying to pivot from.

01:00:22.620 They're trying to go from, if he can take this Maryland man and send him to El Salvador,

01:00:27.940 why can't he do the same thing to you?

01:00:30.040 Well, presumably because you're an American citizen.

01:00:32.560 That's why he can't do it.

01:00:33.480 That's the easy answer.

01:00:34.440 If you are here illegally and you have a history of violent crime, then they can get you and

01:00:40.600 they are going to try to deport you.

01:00:42.520 And you should think that because I think one story is not being told, Buck.

01:00:45.660 I do think a significant number of people are self-deporting.

01:00:49.340 You know, we talked about how the southern border is shut down and there's a limit on

01:00:53.120 how many people in any given month that Trump can get out of the country.

01:00:56.400 I think if you have a criminal record, you may be starting to look at this and say, wait

01:01:00.800 a minute, I don't want to end up in an El Salvador prison.

01:01:03.540 I'm free and clear and able to move around right now.

01:01:06.560 I think there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people here illegally

01:01:11.940 that are seeing what's going on and they're saying, maybe I should just go back to my

01:01:15.660 home country or at least go back somewhere in Latin America.

01:01:18.240 You know, when you dig into this Abrego Garcia case, it's it also is indicative, Clay, of

01:01:25.960 just the scam that has been run so many millions, even tens of millions of times against this

01:01:32.640 country with the total assistance of ideologues in the judiciary.

01:01:39.520 This this guy was arrested back in twenty nineteen.

01:01:44.860 But a judge said, oh, we can't deport you, even though you're an illegal because he had

01:01:51.720 a fear of a credible fear of violence in his home country.

01:01:55.980 The as we are told, violent gang member was able to stay in America because he said, oh,

01:02:04.440 man, it's too scary for me to go back to El Salvador.

01:02:07.560 And a judge bought it and overrode federal law under this withholding from removal order.

01:02:14.000 But as Stephen Miller has pointed out, his his participation in MS-13, a foreign designated

01:02:20.920 terrorist organization, overrides the removal order, which makes perfect sense.

01:02:25.960 Right.

01:02:26.200 You can't or the withholding removal order.

01:02:28.160 I mean, you can't have somebody who's protected from violence, who's actually perpetrating

01:02:33.020 violence themselves.

01:02:34.260 And the whole thing is just so nuts.

01:02:37.160 Democrats just don't want to deport anybody, Clay.

01:02:39.400 That's really everything else is really noise.

01:02:41.760 They don't want to deport anybody that makes them feel good about themselves to say everybody

01:02:47.020 can stay and everybody can come.

01:02:50.240 And whatever happens to the country, we deserve it because of, you know, colonialism or something.

01:02:54.880 But they actually don't want to deport anyone.

01:02:58.320 What I think is wild is how much time we spent talking about how wide open the southern

01:03:02.000 border on this show and other places.

01:03:04.580 The debate.

01:03:05.500 We even had more on Republicans who were saying, you know what, let's go ahead and sign on with

01:03:10.780 the Democrats and do a bill in the summer of 2024.

01:03:13.980 I don't think voters should forget who was willing to do that.

01:03:17.620 And Trump and Tom Homan just kept consistently saying, if you elect us, we'll shut down the

01:03:23.120 southern border, southern border shut down.

01:03:25.840 The story is completely gone.

01:03:28.200 There is not even any acknowledgement of the fact that overnight, effectively, Trump shut

01:03:34.060 down the United States southern border in terms of illegal crossings.

01:03:37.280 When have we ever had an administration come in saying that they would essentially solve

01:03:44.500 a top three concern of the American people and do it within 60 days?

01:03:51.800 I can't think of anything else where so quickly something so important to the electorate was

01:04:00.180 by the numbers objectively addressed and solved in the way that this has, which I think has

01:04:08.060 wrong footed the Democrats even further with all the all the other stuff they've got lack

01:04:11.740 of leadership.

01:04:12.240 And, you know, they're the trans agenda and the crazy stuff that they all believe play.

01:04:16.700 The the problem is that Trump is keeping his promises.

01:04:20.140 Yes.

01:04:20.560 And he's doing what he said he would do.

01:04:22.380 And so that just drives Democrats even more insane, because what they were hoping was you'd

01:04:27.460 get a little bit of what you had in 2017, where you had you had some swamp creatures saying

01:04:31.940 they were going to drain the swamp and you had some bad picks and you had some, you know,

01:04:35.880 some some Democrat advisers around Trump.

01:04:38.260 And look, I'm not saying it wasn't very good overall, but there were some missteps and Trump

01:04:42.240 has admitted those missteps this time around.

01:04:45.060 It's just all systems go.

01:04:47.200 And I think that drives them even more insane.

01:04:49.520 I'm not sure you can point to anything that was an acknowledged problem.

01:04:53.920 And again, you can say Democrats didn't really acknowledge it was a problem until it got

01:04:57.360 to be election season.

01:04:59.180 But that a politician has come into office and eliminated 95 percent of in the first hundred

01:05:04.120 days ever.

01:05:05.820 Because 95 percent of illegal border crossings are gone.

01:05:08.480 Is there any other comparable example to a promise made by a political candidate that was

01:05:13.820 immediately delivered to this extent in the first hundred days?

01:05:17.140 I think the border is one of the greatest success stories in modern American political history

01:05:22.980 in terms of what Trump was able to do solely without congressional authority, despite the

01:05:28.920 arguments to the contrary for years and years.

01:05:30.720 Well, and it also has proven that those of us, you, me and all of you who were screaming

01:05:37.960 under Biden's administration, they just don't want to enforce the law.

01:05:43.680 This is a decision.

01:05:44.880 This is this isn't they're overwhelmed and they can't fix it.

01:05:47.660 They don't want to fix it.

01:05:49.500 We were right because Trump fixed it in the blink of an eye because he wanted to.

01:05:53.720 So all those other people were lying to you, you know, that's everyone else in the media

01:05:58.380 who's all but the border.

01:05:59.580 It's so complicated.

01:06:00.680 No, actually, if you enforce the law, they stop coming.

01:06:02.520 Almost like with crime, Clay, you back police and you take violent offenders and people that

01:06:07.360 are repeat offenders off the street.

01:06:09.540 Everyone gets safer.

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01:06:12.280 How Democrats don't how the Democrat brain cannot seize on these things.

01:06:17.160 Unfortunately, one of the great weaknesses of American society these days, they just can't.

01:06:22.720 They can't learn.

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