Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck

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00:00:08.240 Okay, let's dive into this a little bit.

00:00:14.040 We got a couple of different takes.

00:00:17.540 I can't not play this right now.

00:00:20.780 Ketanji Brown Jackson, Buck,

00:00:23.320 is Joe Biden's final curse on the United States.

00:00:28.460 We talked about yesterday.

00:00:30.000 When Joe Biden said, I will only put a black woman on the Supreme Court, I believe team look this up and make sure that I'm right.

00:00:38.200 I think two percent or three percent of lawyers are black women in the entire country.

00:00:45.380 So in one fell swoop, Joe Biden said, I'm not going to consider ninety seven or ninety eight percent of all lawyers in America for the Supreme Court.

00:00:57.980 And as a result, we now have Ketanji Brown-Jackson.

00:01:02.920 And, Buck, it feels like every single oral argument,

00:01:08.240 there is another viral, I can't believe this is real,

00:01:13.080 Ketanji Brown-Jackson clip.

00:01:14.780 And I tweeted this yesterday, and I said,

00:01:17.980 we only have about 30 more years of this.

00:01:20.820 But it is the truth that the most consequential decision

00:01:24.500 from a personnel perspective that almost any president will make

00:01:28.640 is who he puts on the Supreme Court.

00:01:32.160 And Ketanji Brown-Jackson, I believe, is 56 years old.

00:01:35.480 So if we think that she's going to serve for another 25 or 30 years,

00:01:39.360 we're going to have to prepare ourselves for more and more of this.

00:01:42.980 And this was the question that she asked,

00:01:45.680 having to do with yesterday's hearing on birthright citizenship.

00:01:51.800 I want you guys to listen.

00:01:53.000 And she compares it to stealing a wallet in Japan.

00:01:56.440 I was thinking about this, and I think there are various sources that say this,

00:02:01.440 that you can have, you obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in whatever country you're from.

00:02:07.960 That's what everybody recognizes.

00:02:09.300 But you also have local allegiance when you are on the soil of this other sovereign.

00:02:16.820 And I was thinking, you know, I'm a U.S. citizen and visiting Japan.

00:02:20.920 And what it means is that, you know, if I steal someone's wallet in Japan, the Japanese authorities can arrest me and prosecute me.

00:02:30.780 It's allegiance meaning can they control you as a matter of law.

00:02:35.620 I can also rely on them if my wallet is stolen to, you know, under Japanese law, go and prosecute the person who has stolen it.

00:02:44.480 So there's this relationship based on even though I'm a temporary traveler, I'm just on vacation in Japan.

00:02:50.920 i'm still locally owing allegiance this is look lawyers often think based on analogy buck because

00:03:00.980 it is an important part of the law to subtly alter fact patterns and consider how the implications

00:03:06.800 of your decisions might apply in situations that have not yet arisen that's an important part of

00:03:12.920 the legal process this is so moronic everyone is subject to the law of the jurisdiction that

00:03:20.800 they are physically present in this is not a complicated uh i'm sorry this is just not a

00:03:27.960 complicated issue so the fact that she is somehow analogizing birthright citizenship with committing

00:03:34.200 a crime in a foreign country and not recognizing uh that this is just absolutely preposterous

00:03:41.280 is just a sign that she doesn't grasp intellectually the heft of the decisions

00:03:47.780 or even is able to grapple with them, Buck,

00:03:52.080 in a significant, intelligent way, as lawyers should be able to do.

00:03:55.980 And in that sense, she's actually the perfect Democrat Supreme Court justice

00:03:59.600 because it doesn't matter.

00:04:01.680 She doesn't even have the ability.

00:04:03.880 You know, Kagan can sit there, think it through, figure it out.

00:04:09.060 Sotomayor a little bit more, I think, than Katanji Brown-Jackson.

00:04:12.120 Not really.

00:04:12.920 I mean, Sotomayor is pretty dumb for a lawyer.

00:04:16.240 Not dumb for a person, but for a lawyer, not somebody that should.

00:04:19.680 For a Supreme Court justice.

00:04:21.600 That's the point.

00:04:22.100 For a Supreme Court justice.

00:04:22.860 These are supposed to be the most brilliant legal minds in our nation of 360 million people.

00:04:31.580 The most brilliant legal minds.

00:04:33.560 That is what we are supposed to be getting.

00:04:36.900 Katanji Brown-Jackson, look, if somebody wants to prove me wrong,

00:04:39.560 I don't think she had the LSAT score if she wasn't a black female

00:04:42.460 applying under the affirmative action regime to get into whatever state school,

00:04:46.480 state law school she was from.

00:04:47.780 I'm just telling you, I don't believe it.

00:04:49.700 I don't think she had the ability.

00:04:51.720 And this was a real thing.

00:04:53.640 The Supreme Court had to take this up.

00:04:55.620 There was a whole regime for decades of, yeah, you actually have, like,

00:05:01.060 two standard deviations, lower scores for the LSAT than your peer group

00:05:05.020 that's going to be in this class, but we're going to let you in

00:05:07.760 because of superficial characteristics and the history of discrimination

00:05:11.340 or whatever.

00:05:11.800 That's reality.

00:05:12.460 that's reality and this is now because what's her whole justification for being in the supreme

00:05:17.440 court she went to harvard law school okay where's the ability that we're supposed to see that got

00:05:22.700 her into harvard law school they used to demand that that presidential candidates remember this

00:05:27.220 under the bush carry regime or bush carry administration rather not that'd be fun of

00:05:31.880 they were president vice president um they was show us your sat scores that was the big

00:05:37.020 hit that the democrats put on george bush until they found out that i think he who had higher

00:05:42.740 sats guys bush or carry it was very close and their grades at yale bush had better grades so

00:05:48.960 this was their whole thing was bush is so dumb by the way not even that your grades at yale

00:05:53.120 necessarily makes you smarter dumb but your ability as a lawyer this is why it matters by

00:05:57.480 the also true of doctors lsat score mcat score corresponds very highly with your actual success

00:06:07.000 and ability at the

00:06:09.040 peak of that profession. It's just

00:06:10.880 the truth. It's just

00:06:13.080 the reality of it. I have no

00:06:14.980 business being on the Supreme Court.

00:06:17.740 I would be

00:06:18.420 an infinitely better.

00:06:20.080 I would be an infinitely

00:06:21.980 better Supreme Court justice than

00:06:23.880 Ketanji Brown-Jackson. And some of this, Buck,

00:06:26.140 I'm just insulted by. You mentioned Sotomayor.

00:06:29.120 You and I work

00:06:30.260 a lot to be prepped,

00:06:32.120 to read, to be ready to

00:06:34.120 talk to everybody out there in

00:06:36.100 this audience every day it's a privilege to do this and i think we have a responsibility to be

00:06:42.240 well informed because many of you are busy and your job is not to know everything under the sun

00:06:47.040 about the news right so i work really hard you work really hard we read a lot we're constantly

00:06:51.860 working i'm insulted i'm insulted as a citizen when there are nine supreme court justices that

00:07:00.520 job is unbelievably transcendent for a lawyer to be able to have and they won't do the bare

00:07:09.240 minimum of work even though they have completely elite staffs buck that are often drafting their

00:07:17.000 opinions that are putting everything in front of them and saying just read this but they've never

00:07:23.420 had to this is the point just she's never had to do the work clay she's always been told you're

00:07:29.420 brilliant you're the greatest you're sent by the same with sotomayor you're brilliant you're the

00:07:34.600 greatest the whole system has propped up this cohort of people at the most elite levels of

00:07:40.900 their profession and i want to be very clear a lot of people get very low sats and have a lot

00:07:45.540 of different kinds of smarts and creativity and go on to have incredibly productive and brilliant

00:07:49.740 lives this is not a knock on people that didn't do great on standardized tests or sats in law

00:07:55.400 at the very highest level of understanding the complexities of law,

00:07:59.620 it's like, hey, when I'm telling you you're going to have a brain surgeon,

00:08:02.840 I'm not saying who's going to sell you a car

00:08:04.960 or who's going to start a really elite HVAC business in your town

00:08:09.560 that's going to make him a millionaire,

00:08:10.920 all things you can do with that highest.

00:08:12.480 If I tell you, Clay, you're going to have a brain surgeon,

00:08:15.840 but his MCAT score was in the 10th percentile,

00:08:19.040 how do you feel about that?

00:08:20.900 Not good.

00:08:22.000 If you tell me that the guy who's fixing my HVAC is great

00:08:25.340 everybody thinks he does a phenomenal job but he got like a you know a 900 totally sat i'm like

00:08:30.620 well he's great at hvac i don't care like he's a businessman like but there are some things where

00:08:35.000 it actually matters and the supreme court is one where it matters and there is a whole generation

00:08:40.300 where the all the law schools were doing this and everything else and we just we saw a plan

00:08:44.900 obama was the president of harvard law review never actually wrote anything for harvard law

00:08:49.520 review just they made him the president of it because oh he's obama i mean they gave him a

00:08:56.000 nobel peace prize because he became president this the whole dei regime we're we're going to

00:09:01.580 be dealing with this for a long time but people are you have to be able to be honest by the way

00:09:06.200 if i'm wrong if katanji brown jackson got like a what's really like a 170 or something on the

00:09:10.760 lsat which is super elite i apologize and she should let that out there and everybody can know

00:09:16.000 Okay.

00:09:16.600 By the way, it still wouldn't change the fact that she's not preparing.

00:09:20.400 Yeah.

00:09:21.020 Right?

00:09:21.220 I mean, that's the insult to me because, you know,

00:09:25.380 remember when Sotomayor said, I don't even remember what the number was,

00:09:28.680 but they were debating whether you should be mandated to get the COVID shot,

00:09:31.780 and she said something like there were 100,

00:09:33.620 I think she said like there was 100,000 kids hospitalized right now with COVID,

00:09:39.220 and you just looked at it and you said,

00:09:41.760 you haven't done the bare minimum of prep.

00:09:45.200 You're ignorant. Yeah. And it's a willfulness to not do the work. And so when she's making an analogy like that, this is a supremely important decision, as most are that reach the Supreme Court. It's complicated. A lot of brilliant lawyers have argued other sides to get to the point where we say, hey, we got to have the nine final arbiters of what the law is. Look at this.

00:10:09.600 And, you know, Ketanji Brown-Jackson this same week was the lone dissent in the 8-1 decision over whether you can try to have conversion therapy, so-called, in Colorado.

00:10:21.860 She is just a left-wing blue sky poster who Joe Biden put on the Supreme Court.

00:10:29.620 And for the next 30 years, you can even see the frustration coming from Elena Kagan and even from Sotomayor.

00:10:36.480 Certainly, we talked about Amy Coney Barrett, who is maybe the kindest sounding.

00:10:41.300 I listened to her, and I was like, she sounds like somebody who puts you to sleep reading a book with her voice.

00:10:47.320 And she took a two-by-four tour.

00:10:50.480 I mean, I'll just tell you this.

00:10:51.600 I looked this up.

00:10:52.320 I was curious.

00:10:53.220 The average difference, you can just find this stuff online now, again, because this has all come out.

00:10:58.120 This used to be forbidden to talk about.

00:11:00.380 You couldn't discuss this if you were at college.

00:11:02.480 Everyone would yell at you and shout.

00:11:03.480 This is just facts.

00:11:04.160 This is reality.

00:11:04.800 and it was a policy of racial discrimination that these universities did engage in for decades

00:11:10.020 and still try to engage in, but now they know that it's unconstitutional.

00:11:14.540 They're not allowed to do this.

00:11:15.840 So they can't shout you down because you're saying, hey, you're breaking the law.

00:11:19.440 That doesn't really work anymore.

00:11:21.100 The difference, Clay, for Harvard students between the average black student

00:11:26.240 and the average white student at Harvard on the LSAT is at least 10 points difference.

00:11:33.420 To understand this, that's the difference between being in the 98th percentile or the 70th percentile.

00:11:40.600 It is a huge, huge differential on that test.

00:11:45.280 Enormous.

00:11:46.300 98th percentile versus 70th.

00:11:48.860 Yeah, the bell curve on this gets really altered in a hurry.

00:11:52.880 I think the numbers were, when I did it, Buck, if you get a 160 or above, you're in the 85th percentile.

00:11:59.420 so if you're talking about a 10 percentile drop like the 10 points on the lsat yeah yeah right

00:12:07.180 but the 160s and the 170s it's not you know people look at that and they hear oh you know

00:12:13.140 she got a 148 or a 150 and they think okay well that doesn't sound that much different

00:12:17.720 the difference between a 150 and a 160 is like 30 percentile points yes i mean so you're talking

00:12:24.520 about sub sub 50 percentile for some of these um it's really staggering and again if she were doing

00:12:32.720 the work and i was hearing these questions and i thought to myself okay she's actually putting in

00:12:38.740 the time it's just an embarrassment that she's on the court and frankly i think it's unconstitutional

00:12:44.480 because by supreme court presidents you can't do what joe biden did to put her on the court

00:12:50.960 You can't say, I'm only going to consider black women for a job anywhere.

00:12:57.120 That would be a flagrant violations of civil rights law nationwide.

00:13:01.420 So why is it allowed for the Supreme Court, for Joe Biden, to have come out and say, I'm only going to put a black woman on?

00:13:08.140 And again, the team looked it up.

00:13:09.580 That eliminates 97% or 98% of lawyers nationwide.

00:13:15.000 so you're immediately saying i'm only picking in the two to three uh percent of the population pool

00:13:22.580 what are the odds that when you say that about anything you get the best person for any job

00:13:28.080 if you immediately on its face say i'm only considering that not just imagine take it

00:13:33.320 outside a race if you said i'm only considering people for the supreme court who are five foot

00:13:38.600 or shorter i think a lot of people would say well that doesn't seem like a good idea right or six

00:13:43.380 eight or taller whatever the math is you know on the other side of this i would just argue i think

00:13:48.460 justice clarence thomas a black man which you will somehow like never really hear you'll never

00:13:54.160 really hear about him in the democrat media justice clarence thomas is i think arguably

00:13:59.560 one of the giants of the court of all time i think has a tremendous legal insight wisdom and

00:14:06.140 knowledge and proves whether you agree with him or not all the time with what comes down under his

00:14:12.040 name that he deserves to be there so you know it's just a question of do you want you want you

00:14:18.060 want people that can handle this stuff or not justice thomas can handle the legal reasoning

00:14:22.740 is a brilliant guy knows a hell of a lot more about this stuff than me or clay or a lot of

00:14:27.340 the people out there listening who are actually lawyers ketangia brown jackson i think i know

00:14:31.840 more about the law than she does i'm being honest with you i think we could sit around and get into

00:14:36.120 this without her staff there i'd be like give me a month to study i think i'd probably i'd probably

00:14:41.480 I said I have no business being on the Supreme Court.

00:14:44.140 I'm licensed in two different jurisdictions.

00:14:46.440 I've been a lawyer now, licensed for, what, 22 years?

00:14:50.080 I think I would be infinitely better than her,

00:14:52.300 and I should not ever be infinitely better as a Supreme Court justice than anyone

00:14:56.720 when there's only nine of them and they're at the absolute apex of the legal profession.

00:15:00.880 By the way, I was right.

00:15:02.340 Sotomayor, during those debates, said over 100,000 kids were currently hospitalized with COVID.

00:15:08.940 I think the number was like 120.

00:15:11.480 I mean, that is unacceptable.

00:15:13.900 And by the way, not from COVID, but they were in the hospital for other things, as we know,

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00:17:21.480 Welcome in to the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:17:25.700 and we've got the confirmation of news that was leading the program,

00:17:31.940 which is there's a shake-up in D.C.

00:17:34.540 Pam Bondi is out as Attorney General.

00:17:37.560 I would reiterate where it's in the first hour.

00:17:40.100 I think Pam Bondi is from everything that I've seen.

00:17:43.980 I actually don't know her.

00:17:45.040 Have we interviewed her here on the show?

00:17:46.640 I don't think we did.

00:17:47.680 I think she's one of the few we've never had on.

00:17:50.120 I feel like maybe when she was Florida AG, Clay, I interviewed her years ago,

00:17:53.340 but I can't even remember now.

00:17:54.620 We do a lot of interviews.

00:17:55.700 But she's a good woman

00:17:58.400 She's a patriot

00:17:59.100 She loves his country

00:18:00.980 I think she served honorably

00:18:03.380 I think that's true

00:18:04.180 I think she made some mistakes

00:18:05.560 And Trump decided it's time for a change up

00:18:08.160 Just because you take one player out of the game

00:18:11.300 And you take somebody off the bench

00:18:12.720 And put them in

00:18:13.440 It's not that the person that's on the bench

00:18:15.520 Is a bad person or a bad player even

00:18:17.580 It's just not right for that moment

00:18:19.360 So I think that Pam Bondi

00:18:21.940 Should

00:18:22.440 Generally speaking

00:18:24.580 I know there are some criticisms, but generally speaking, should be thanked for her service,

00:18:28.800 and I know Trump will do so.

00:18:30.020 There's no animus here.

00:18:30.920 This is just a change-up, and everybody should feel like when serving at the pleasure of

00:18:35.080 the president means this, that sometimes we've got to change things up, even if you're doing

00:18:40.060 your best.

00:18:40.580 Your best isn't necessarily good enough for the moment, and that's okay as long as somebody

00:18:47.220 else steps in who can get it done.

00:18:49.660 Here, Clay, for example, podcast listener Mike in Omaha.

00:18:52.500 This is from the last hour.

00:18:53.560 Now this is confirmed.

00:18:54.300 I want to get some of these talkbacks and calls on the AG situation.

00:18:57.240 This is Talkback D.

00:18:59.620 Hit it.

00:19:00.100 I couldn't disagree more with you regarding Pam Bondi or even sounds like Tulsi Gabbard as well.

00:19:08.720 Couldn't disagree more.

00:19:10.320 Trump's panicking.

00:19:11.760 Joe Biden, the Biden administration, whoever is running it, didn't remove one cabinet member in four years.

00:19:18.460 Trump is giving Democrats skins, scalps that he does not need to do.

00:19:23.020 2.0 is imploding guys

00:19:25.640 Okay

00:19:27.120 Mike, podcast listener Mike, first of all

00:19:29.180 thank you for listening on the podcast, second of all

00:19:30.960 I couldn't disagree with you more

00:19:32.100 I don't think that Trump is giving the Democrats

00:19:35.260 scalps, I think that if anything

00:19:37.180 Clay, in this case

00:19:38.240 it's Trump voters, it's MAGA

00:19:40.800 who feel very annoyed

00:19:43.340 about what happened with Pam Bondi

00:19:44.740 I don't think, there's not some Democrat

00:19:46.960 clamoring that Trump is bending the knee

00:19:49.320 to here, it's a lot of people

00:19:51.120 who listen to this show who were very uh bothered by the way the whole epstein files thing was

00:19:57.960 handled and also i'll just put it to everyone this way what's the big win from the what's the

00:20:03.920 big win from the doj in the last year what's the big thing we got big win at the border

00:20:08.920 with border patrol but what's the big win that they they've racked up i mean you could say oh

00:20:14.920 well law enforcement that's really more fbi the law enforcement agents helping out in places like

00:20:19.700 memphis and dc yeah there's doj of course and doj is part of fbi but that's a cash patel uh first

00:20:26.780 and foremost and our and our friend dan bongino when he was in that deputy role clay i mean how

00:20:31.060 do you see this i don't i mean i don't view this as bending the knee to the left at all i think

00:20:35.600 this is trump just saying we got to be a lean mean machine we appreciate her but we're changing it up

00:20:40.360 yeah i don't even think this is something that makes democrats happy at all i i think that's a

00:20:47.480 poor take from the listener there i think trump has looked at chrissy noem and looked at pam bondy

00:20:55.340 and i actually think he has made the decision that if he's going to change anything then he

00:21:02.380 needs to do it like we said in the first hour right now because you have to get senate confirmation

00:21:07.180 for the new attorney general whomever it is uh there are reports that it might be lee zeldin

00:21:12.840 and I look we try to be as as honest as we can and we said this in the first hour Pam Bondi's

00:21:21.180 uh bringing in those influencers and giving them the Epstein binders and then saying I have the

00:21:28.360 Epstein files on my desk as we're speaking right now maybe we can go grab that clip uh that was on

00:21:34.620 Fox News if I remember correctly were the biggest unforced errors of the first year and a half of

00:21:40.820 trump 2.0 that's just the reality now i don't know what's going on behind scenes now that trump

00:21:46.700 is saying hey i'm ready for a new attorney general uh but i'm not surprised that she's on her way out

00:21:54.360 and i did i don't think this is some sort of scalp that democrats would be happy with

00:21:59.260 democrats i don't even think have come after pam bondy that hard relatively speaking pete

00:22:05.620 hegseth oh they've come after him with everything they've had for two straight years that's who

00:22:10.440 that would be bending the knee i agree with you there are people in this administration

00:22:14.300 that if they got shoved out whether it was true or not it would look like this was the pressure of

00:22:20.720 trump opponents being conceded to i don't see that at all honestly and i don't mean this as

00:22:26.680 a slight to pam bondy i think smart democrats will again keep her there keep her there because

00:22:31.920 she's not because she hasn't been that effective and again i have nothing you know she's i think

00:22:36.580 she tried i think she's a good person i appreciate her service to the country i just don't think you

00:22:41.060 look at clay you're gonna put her up with with rubio and besan and we got people that are

00:22:46.060 hitting on all cylinders we do not have time to waste we do not have learning on the job time here

00:22:51.080 and and i think that trump sees that and he's making the right move again he's doing it

00:22:55.000 respectfully this isn't there's no bitterness in this people say it's a firing it's a replacement

00:22:58.940 here is the uh fox news details um bondi met with trump in the oval office on wednesday night

00:23:07.600 ahead of his speech on iran where she was reportedly informed of her ousting sources

00:23:13.560 said this is fox news reporting the president is reportedly considering replacing bondi with

00:23:19.280 epa administrator lee zeldin sources added now first hour i mentioned two two names maybe lee

00:23:26.920 zeldon trump already knows exactly where he's going to go we likely we've had him on the show

00:23:30.780 a lot yep uh over the years for those of you maybe not familiar with him former congressman

00:23:35.280 for new york ran a great campaign trying to flip new york uh in the 2022 election cycle current epa

00:23:43.560 administrator okay if you were going to go outside i'll give one in the senate ted cruz uh when you

00:23:51.480 say okay clay why do you name a senator it would need to be a red state senator you would need to

00:23:56.760 Trust the governor who would name a replacement,

00:23:59.500 and that would mean that much like Mark Wayne Mullen,

00:24:02.180 confirmation typically is very easy when someone is in the United States Senate

00:24:07.540 and they are elevated to the Attorney General's office.

00:24:11.080 So if he were looking outside of his administration now,

00:24:14.540 I think Ted Cruz in the Senate, maybe even Mike Lee,

00:24:17.040 Senator from Utah, both from red states, would do great jobs.

00:24:21.320 And then the one outside, Buck, we mentioned this earlier,

00:24:23.380 If I were picking a governor, if I were picking somebody from outside the administration,

00:24:27.360 Ron DeSantis would be a dominant attorney general home run pick.

00:24:31.300 Those are my outside candidates.

00:24:33.200 I would put into the mix on all of that.

00:24:36.460 First of all, I think Ron wants to finish.

00:24:37.900 The problem is people like what they're doing, right?

00:24:40.500 In some cases, the problem is Ted likes being a senator,

00:24:44.780 and I think he likes representing the state of Texas,

00:24:46.980 and I think

00:24:49.520 Ron wants to finish out his term as governor

00:24:51.560 to be a governor

00:24:53.360 for all time, he's one of the all time

00:24:55.720 greats, he's a goat

00:24:57.240 governor as in greatest of all

00:24:59.720 time for the state of Florida, transform this

00:25:01.640 place and so many Floridians

00:25:03.600 I put myself in this category are

00:25:05.460 truly grateful to him and his team

00:25:07.820 and A.G. Uthmeyer and

00:25:09.540 just everyone who has really

00:25:11.640 made Florida in such a

00:25:13.700 short period of time this incredible state

00:25:15.740 and a place where so many people want to come live.

00:25:18.280 The biggest problem now is everyone wants to live here,

00:25:19.900 so housing prices have skyrocketed because supply and demand still exists.

00:25:23.540 Clay, here's one, though.

00:25:24.260 Harmeet Dillon.

00:25:26.520 I bet she's in the conversation.

00:25:29.860 Yeah, super smart.

00:25:30.700 She's already inside the Department of Justice,

00:25:32.580 so that would be right now elevating Todd Blanche.

00:25:35.780 But yeah, I don't think that's a crazy idea either.

00:25:39.780 That would be somebody who, from the inside internally,

00:25:43.160 i think would do a a very good job no already knows the ropes already knows everything i don't

00:25:48.720 really have a read on todd blanche um so i can't i don't know do you have much of a read on todd i

00:25:55.400 know he's the interim but sometimes the interim just sort of stays on that's not my guess is

00:25:59.840 that's not going to happen but do we have a what's your take on todd yeah i mean i think he's super

00:26:04.940 smart trump likes him he's been his you know personal lawyer in the past um so there has been

00:26:12.180 report there have been reports that bondy and blanche worked well together and again i'm not

00:26:17.540 uh obviously i'm not inside the department of justice not like i cover um or know either of

00:26:22.300 these very well um i think he probably is not going to elevate the deputy and leave him there

00:26:28.520 if he did he would have to get senate confirmation as well one thing that i do think is significant

00:26:32.720 there are reports that she's already flown back to florida pam bondy uh after being removed last

00:26:38.180 night also buck um this was suzy wiles's pick for attorney general suzy wiles chief of staff

00:26:46.440 she said hey you can trust former florida attorney general um pam bondy to come in

00:26:53.480 and and help here buck let me give you a crazy uh scenario since we can sometimes again reports

00:27:00.260 are it's going to be lee zeldin we'll see whether those end up being accurate what if trump elevated

00:27:06.760 ted cruz who's already in the senate to attorney general and then to solve the controversy that is

00:27:14.280 currently in at play in the senate in texas where you have ken paxton and john cornyn throwing

00:27:19.580 haymakers at each other what if the uh current governor greg abbott of texas put ken paxton

00:27:27.980 in the senate to serve out the remainder of ted cruz's term and end the battle over

00:27:36.260 both of those guys competing in the senate primary right now i'm just saying sometimes

00:27:42.100 ted cruz is not going to be attorney general you know why ted cruz is going to run for president

00:27:46.820 he is going to run for president but he may decide that being attorney general is a better

00:27:52.420 platform to run for president from then you think so i mean look at the data historically but think

00:27:58.960 about the data historically there aren't very many senators barack obama obviously was one

00:28:04.680 that end up winning and joe biden i know was in the senate for a long time but i mean historically

00:28:10.120 prior to that's a couple recent ones i think i'm correct on this historically prior to uh biden

00:28:17.940 the last senator to be elected president was john f kennedy jr so we went 60 years and we've had one

00:28:26.620 senator one sitting united states senator elected as president biden wasn't obviously a sitting

00:28:32.020 senator when he was elected republicans tend to want governors and and democrats tend to elevate

00:28:37.480 now remember john carrey obviously was uh very close to being president shockingly close to

00:28:43.320 being president uh so that would be somebody else that was up there kamala harris i know she was vp

00:28:49.320 but you know she's really someone from uh the the uh you know but isn't that kind of a crazy stat

00:28:55.060 since john f kennedy in 1960 barack obama is the only sitting united states senator to be elected

00:29:02.120 president i believe i'm correct in that um that's kind of who was the last attorney general to be

00:29:08.380 president rfk jr if he hadn't gotten shot maybe well that but that doesn't that doesn't count

00:29:15.740 or sorry rfk senior um uh yeah uh we i think we're gonna have rfk jr still alive uh on the

00:29:23.580 show next week according to producer ali um he would have been uh he would have been the nominee

00:29:28.540 right he was the former attorney general um under his brother yeah well i just i think that i think

00:29:34.300 that it's and i don't believe i'm speaking out of school here i'm just observing this

00:29:37.460 uh i think senator cruz is great you know him and trump are great total total uh simpatico there

00:29:45.660 i don't think cruz wants to be inside the uh the broader chicken coop of of maga right now i think

00:29:53.100 he's got some all of that all of that is a very fair assessment Cruz is going to run for president

00:29:59.080 and he's going to run from outside of the administration and we'll see what ends up

00:30:03.620 happening with JD Vance and Marco Rubio but I'm just trying to think through ways that could help

00:30:09.260 preserve the Senate majority and save a lot of money that's otherwise going to be spent I'm just

00:30:15.100 trying to think through you know if you were going to elevate in the United States Senate

00:30:19.400 you get an easy confirmation

00:30:21.660 if you want somebody who is going to be

00:30:23.620 in the office quickly

00:30:25.060 just like what happened with Mark Wayne

00:30:27.600 Mullen and you know if you have a

00:30:29.580 red state governor you don't have to worry

00:30:31.500 about losing a senate seat or for instance

00:30:33.580 there's nothing we would ever do to Susan

00:30:35.660 Collins she's never going to be in the cabinet

00:30:37.420 because she would be replaced by a

00:30:39.280 by a democrat so

00:30:41.420 it'll be interesting and maybe Trump's already

00:30:43.520 made up his mind that Lee Zeldin

00:30:45.580 is the guy and

00:30:47.520 And if he is, then we'll see how this plays out.

00:30:50.960 We like Zee, Lee.

00:30:53.980 Yes.

00:30:54.560 We like, you can call him Zee too.

00:30:57.320 He had a good run at the governor's match, and it didn't work out.

00:31:01.240 I know he got beat, but that helped a lot, you remember, with the House.

00:31:06.880 Because there was enough of a...

00:31:08.160 That's the reason we won.

00:31:09.380 That's right.

00:31:09.740 Mm-hmm.

00:31:10.720 There was enough of a Republican momentum in the state of New York

00:31:16.380 that Long Island, where Lee is actually from, was the difference maker.

00:31:20.680 So, anyway, so, yeah, again, with Pam Bondi.

00:31:23.460 Send us your thoughts on this, by the way, if you want.

00:31:26.440 Agree, disagree with Pam Bondi moving on, but I think it's a strong –

00:31:31.820 also, the caller there, I didn't say anything about Tulsi Gabbard.

00:31:34.600 I guess he's just assuming that that's maybe –

00:31:37.000 There are some reports out there that Tulsi may be on her way out, too.

00:31:40.100 We don't know.

00:31:41.060 Well, just to be clear, I didn't say that.

00:31:43.440 So that wasn't – that's not for me.

00:31:45.240 I just wanted to clarify the record there that Tulsi, I wasn't, yeah, there's some reports

00:31:50.620 that she may go.

00:31:52.160 I've seen those reports, but yeah.

00:31:54.220 All right.

00:31:54.840 Sorry.

00:31:55.840 No, I was going to just, President Trump has put out a statement about Bondi.

00:31:59.580 We will read it for you when we come back.

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00:33:52.980 joined now by retired brigadier general sean harris he's a cattle farmer from northwest

00:33:59.040 georgia he is running for congress out of georgia's 14th district general harris spent 40 years in the

00:34:05.520 united states military his last position was a defense senior defense policy uh sorry senior

00:34:11.060 defense official rather for the state department based in israel he is a democrat facing republican

00:34:18.320 candidate clay fuller sir thank you for your service thank you for joining us on the show

00:34:23.320 hey guys it's great i'm so happy to be on your show look forward to talking to you

00:34:28.760 yeah absolutely um let's can i ask you about this first and given that you were a senior

00:34:33.900 defense official for the state department and you're 40 years in the military what's your take

00:34:39.480 on how things are going in the middle east right now yeah you know thank you for that question the

00:34:44.800 reality of it is we kind of got ourself in a a little bit of a situation obviously remember last

00:34:51.280 night the president of the united states i'm glad he did come up on the net and and talk to the

00:34:54.980 american people however he didn't actually tell the american people how do we actually get into

00:34:59.480 this war and furthermore he didn't tell us exactly how we're going to get out of it and then the last

00:35:05.160 piece is what does it look like the day after because as some of you may know your vision may

00:35:11.240 know that if you break it you own it and and i just want to make sure that as we working our way

00:35:17.400 through this you know the our military's most powerful military wants to face the earth we will

00:35:22.860 win this war with our military but i am concerned if we don't watch it we can lose this war

00:35:28.460 politically because the american people don't understand what we're doing and why are we doing

00:35:32.140 it if you were in congress right now and there were war resolution and the president was asking

00:35:39.200 to be able to fight iran he's not he's saying it's not a war and they haven't requested this

00:35:44.520 but would you have supported the president's strikes in iran if based on your background

00:35:49.440 40 years in the military former brigadier general would you have said yes we should take the ayatollah

00:35:55.080 out if you had been asked yeah you know the reality of it is when we move to the top secret

00:36:00.480 side and i know if i'm not mistaken buck with cia so he understands exactly what i'm talking about

00:36:05.080 here is when we go to the top top secret level i as fully expect the president and his staff to

00:36:10.840 come in and brief congress i also expect congress to do their job and based on that information

00:36:16.560 if it was a fact that they actually had the potential to have nuclear weapons again, then yes.

00:36:22.800 But if it wasn't clear, because we're getting conflicting information at this point,

00:36:27.000 and as you see, Pam Bundy has just been fired from her job, but we're getting conflicting information.

00:36:32.580 So based on the information, I would have either voted yes, or based on the lack of information,

00:36:38.300 I would have told the president, you need to come in here and tell the American people exactly why we're getting into this,

00:36:42.980 because many of us did 20-plus years in a forever war,

00:36:46.700 and we don't need to do that again.

00:36:48.820 General, so far everything you're saying sounds entirely reasonable

00:36:52.580 and well thought out.

00:36:55.380 I just have this question.

00:36:56.700 You're a Democrat.

00:36:58.200 What's going on?

00:36:59.060 Yes.

00:36:59.960 Why are you a Democrat?

00:37:01.580 Now you've got to tell us this because we don't have too many Democrats who join.

00:37:07.280 I would tell you, you know, the reality of it is

00:37:10.240 i would not be on your show talking to you today if not if my military fellow veterans

00:37:17.020 wouldn't have came over to my farm when we first got home from israel i'm putting up a fence and

00:37:22.680 they say hey sir you still got too much fire on your belly we looked at your bio you got it

00:37:28.660 whatever that it is we want you to run against marjorie taylor green in the primary and when

00:37:35.220 they said the word primary i had to say to them hey guys i need to have a conversation when they

00:37:41.540 say what i said guys you know in the military we don't talk about being a democrat independent or

00:37:45.720 republican but i got to tell you the truth if we're going to go down a road and a path like this

00:37:50.540 i am a moderate democrat and they took about a minute and said okay we still want to support you

00:37:58.420 so it was the republicans here in northwest georgia who actually recruited me it's republicans

00:38:03.780 in northwest georgia is still supporting me however i am a democrat but i am not tied to a

00:38:09.500 party and that was makes me different because leadership matters and when i get to dc i'm going

00:38:14.880 to stand up strictly for the people here in northwest georgia only period and that's when i

00:38:20.500 get there that's why the republicans want to know how i'm gonna vote and the democrats want to know

00:38:24.480 how i'm gonna vote now a big part obviously given how close the house is you know a very slim

00:38:31.440 difference between who the speaker is whether it's a democrat or republican if you were elected as a

00:38:37.800 democrat though i presume you would be voting for hakeem jeffries as speaker i you know i can't just

00:38:45.780 sit here on your show and tell you that because the reality of it is if the democrats take over

00:38:51.040 the house i'm assuming there's going to be a lot of people who's going to be fighting for that

00:38:54.640 position at the end of the day my focus will be on whoever that is how is that person going to be

00:39:02.020 looking at the rural community because i believe that right now the rural community is being left

00:39:07.620 out and being left behind so i'm going to be voting for whoever is going to say sean we will

00:39:15.540 make sure that every time we have a discussion we're looking through a lens of the rural community

00:39:20.300 and oh by the way sean we're going to get the farm bill done so we can take care of people in

00:39:24.740 the rural community those farmers that are out there instead of just talking about it so that's

00:39:29.020 where i'm at i don't know akeem jeffries i don't know him personally however i have briefed him

00:39:35.340 in my other capacities brigadier general harris as a senior defense official in israel so pretty

00:39:41.240 much every leader or every representative in congress right now i have personally briefed

00:39:49.220 when they came over to Israel, so they already know me,

00:39:52.160 they know I'm a straight shooter, and they know I can stand on my own two feet

00:39:55.360 and fight for the people here in the United States,

00:39:57.840 but specifically here in northwest Georgia now.

00:39:59.780 We're talking to former Brigadier General Sean Harris.

00:40:02.140 He's running in northwest Georgia for the congressional seat

00:40:06.300 being vacated by Marjorie Taylor Greene as a Democrat against Clay Fuller, a Republican.

00:40:11.900 There's a big governor's race going on in Georgia.

00:40:14.440 There's a big Senate race going on in Georgia.

00:40:17.420 You say you're a moderate Democrat.

00:40:20.900 What do you think, I'm just kind of curious, about men competing in women's sports?

00:40:26.940 This happened in Atlanta.

00:40:28.900 You got Leah Thomas, who was a man identifying as a woman, won an NCAA title.

00:40:34.680 Would you support that, or do you think only men should be in men's sports

00:40:39.260 and women in women's sports?

00:40:41.060 Because most Democrats publicly right now say if you're a man who identifies as a woman,

00:40:46.100 you should be able to compete in women's sports?

00:40:50.100 Yeah, I tell you, I like these type questions

00:40:52.640 because these are the type questions that try to take me in a particular path,

00:40:57.320 and that's why I say I'm a moderate Democrat.

00:40:59.540 Where I stand is this.

00:41:01.220 I know the difference between a man and a woman,

00:41:03.380 and I want men to play on men's sports, women to play in women's sports.

00:41:07.620 And I want sports to be fair, and I want sports to be fun.

00:41:11.560 So that's where I'm at.

00:41:13.280 And here in Northwest Georgia, you spoke about Atlanta.

00:41:16.100 But here in Northwest Georgia, we're just trying to make ends meet.

00:41:20.380 We are trying to make sure that we can feed our families and bring jobs here.

00:41:24.860 And that's why I continue to talk about kitchen table issues.

00:41:27.780 I don't dodge any questions at all.

00:41:31.320 But the reality of it is the people here in Northwest Georgia, Democrats,

00:41:35.400 Independents, and yes, Republicans are saying, Sean, we want you to stay focused 100% on us.

00:41:42.340 And the issue that you're talking about is not an issue here in northwest Georgia because our girls play on girl teams.

00:41:49.300 Our boys play on boys teams. And that's what makes me different as a moderate Republican.

00:41:54.700 I'm going to make sure I stay laser focused on what is happening here in rural America, because I live in Rockmark, Georgia, small town, small town America.

00:42:04.840 That's where I was born and raised in Blakely, Georgia, southwest Georgia. And that's what I'm all about.

00:42:09.760 General, can I ask you, there are some issues that no matter where you are in the country, clearly the federal policy and legislation affects you, right?

00:42:19.780 And that's why we have a federal government, we have state, we have local.

00:42:22.160 So, for example, the border and illegal immigration, I don't care if somebody's in New York City or they're in rural Georgia or they're in Montana, anywhere in the country.

00:42:35.040 Illegal immigration is something that affects people

00:42:38.260 Because of the representation in Congress

00:42:43.080 That it affects, because of the costs

00:42:45.160 Because of all those things that we know

00:42:46.880 Do you agree with the securing of the border

00:42:49.820 Under the Trump administration

00:42:51.460 And would you vote alongside Republicans

00:42:55.880 Who are trying to, for example, fund ICE

00:42:59.340 And continue deportations

00:43:01.040 Or would you vote with Democrats against that?

00:43:03.460 Yeah, let me let me break your question down into two parts, because I love complex questions.

00:43:09.440 But as a retired general, I need to make sure I stay laser focused on your answer.

00:43:13.640 The first part of your question talked about the southern border.

00:43:16.380 I agree 100 percent. President Trump got it spot on.

00:43:20.520 He got it right because President Biden and Vice President Harris, they lost the ball and they were letting all kind of people in.

00:43:27.200 So when it comes to the southern border, I want to be clear.

00:43:30.860 the southern border needs to stay closed and president trump does it right and i'm going to

00:43:34.860 support him on that now when it comes to immigration the president said that he was going to actually

00:43:40.780 go with the worst of the worst murderers rapists whatever else i'm 100 behind him on that however

00:43:47.520 the difference is because i've served in our military and i actually have served with ice

00:43:53.020 ice roll is to be doing things down by the water and i should be picking up the worst of the worst

00:43:58.920 from our jails throughout the country they should not be on the street being like a regular cop

00:44:05.240 because if you kill somebody americans then we definitely have to look at it so the reality of

00:44:11.440 it is on the second part of the answer is this i want to make sure the ice is functional but i want

00:44:17.640 to make sure that they follow the rules of their own organization as regular police officers and

00:44:22.840 go back into their mission the president of the united states has you as you know something was

00:44:28.260 going on because he fired whoever was in charge of hh uh hss and in addition to that i think the

00:44:34.920 new person that just got it the other day forgive me i can't remember his name as we're speaking

00:44:38.300 i think you have already starting to see he's starting to make some changes and i believe

00:44:42.900 those changes are going to be for the better so that is how i would answer that question because

00:44:47.240 i am different and i i don't like when people try to put me in a box because sean harris can

00:44:53.840 never be put in a box because i'm focused right here on the people here in northwest georgia

00:44:58.320 and i want to make sure that i'm supporting them and what they have said to me sean make sure that

00:45:03.580 southern border stays closed we're going to do that sean we want to make sure that ice is doing

00:45:08.020 their job the right way and we're going to do that sean you sound like a good man you also sound like

00:45:12.080 a republican so i'm just sitting here i don't want to tell you i tell you maybe that's maybe that's

00:45:17.500 the reason why they came and recruited me and maybe that's the reason why republicans in this

00:45:23.280 district are saying you know what sean we're gonna give you a chance and if you don't do your job

00:45:30.300 between now and november we're gonna fire you and you know what i said to them perfect because as a

00:45:37.700 leader i love for people to hold me accountable and that's why more than 7 000 people in this

00:45:43.700 district got my direct phone number and they can call me and ask me a question just like you do

00:45:49.500 and i don't dodge them not one day i look forward to going to dc having doing the hard work bringing

00:45:56.560 back generational jobs here and when i say generational jobs if you'll just let me say this

00:46:01.600 i thought last night was outstanding because we proved last night that as americans when we work

00:46:07.620 together we can launch go around the moon come back land and then guess what we're going to do

00:46:14.800 we're going to go to the moon then we're going to put people on the moon we're going to put a

00:46:19.400 nuclear action on the moon and after we do all that in a few years we're going to go to a place

00:46:23.960 called mars and when i get to dc i'm going to make sure that we bring generational jobs right back

00:46:29.600 here to northwest georgia like huntsville is nowhere from us and those jobs will be the jobs

00:46:34.600 that our people work in for the rest of their lives and their kids life and the grand returns

00:46:38.900 life to make sure that we are part of the mission of putting somebody on mars and that is the

00:46:44.280 difference between me and my opponent last question for you brigadier general sean harris

00:46:49.620 with us running as the democrat in northwest georgia in a special election to replace marjorie

00:46:55.400 taylor green and then the election will happen again uh in november in 2024 did you vote for

00:47:02.040 kamala harris or donald trump i'm not gonna lie to you i voted for kamala harris however at the

00:47:09.820 end of the day i said even in that election against marjorie taylor green when i get to dc if trump is

00:47:17.000 doing something right i'm gonna i'm gonna say yes and support him but what i will also say is this

00:47:22.920 marjorie taylor green 2.0 the new marjorie taylor green if you listen to her statements

00:47:29.500 now she talks about health care now she talks about insurance now she talks about we need to

00:47:35.540 help our farmers. Now she talks about being in a war of choice. And now she talks about we need

00:47:42.340 to release the Epstein files. Marjorie Taylor Greene positions have moved closer to Sean Harris

00:47:48.600 as the moderate versus Sean Harris moving toward Marjorie Taylor Greene. So what we actually say

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00:48:08.400 for major people i don't need to take money from other organizations we are not selling our soul

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00:48:22.840 in this district because the hard-working people in this district deserves somebody that's finally

00:48:27.960 going to listen to them and that person is me thank you for the time sir brigadier general

00:48:33.060 sean harris running in northwest georgia in the special election appreciate the time and thanks

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00:50:34.240 We are rolling through with a ton of different breaking news stories.

00:50:39.040 We've been talking about the firing that just happened while we were live on the air at

00:50:45.880 the top of the second hour of Pam Bondi as Attorney General.

00:50:50.760 President Trump says she is going to move into the private sector.

00:50:55.240 We have been talking about the situation in Iran, the launch of Artemis II, and the address

00:51:02.680 that president trump had last night we are now joined by katie zachariah she is a lawyer she

00:51:10.040 has got a lot of different opinions on a variety of topics but katie thanks for joining us right

00:51:15.720 off the top uh pam bondy is out you're a lawyer i floated several names florida governor ron

00:51:23.080 de santis uh the both senators mike lee and ted cruz um there are reports that lee zeldin might

00:51:31.220 be the choice if you sort of had a magic wand and you were able to put names into the mix for

00:51:38.620 attorney general based on your legal background anybody that stands out to you that you think

00:51:43.840 would do a good job as attorney general well you had a great list there and governor de santis has

00:51:50.140 done an excellent job in florida and i'd love to juxtapose that with our disaster out here in

00:51:54.900 california but when i look at attorney general i look at really i like todd blanche a lot that

00:52:00.760 man stood behind president trump during the off years he risked his career to defend him in court

00:52:06.580 he is savage and he is cutthroat and i absolutely like him so if he does a great job as acting ag

00:52:13.320 i think that they should put him permanently in that position and he should be there to support

00:52:18.260 the president i think he is a great pick okay hey katie it's buck uh there's some stories out there

00:52:24.980 not confirmed yet but that that have to do with the departure of pam bondi and uh something along

00:52:32.600 the lines of an investigation that was going on into swalwell who as we all know is unless i'm

00:52:39.900 missing something supposed to be the next governor of california according to the democrats right

00:52:44.940 is there any way in your mind as a as a californian and and a lawyer uh is there any way in your mind

00:52:51.880 that swalwell might get pushed aside by the democrats based on i'm not saying a republican

00:52:57.960 is going to win in california but if something really really tough comes out let's just say

00:53:03.420 in this uh investigation into swalwell his ties to the chinese spy this is the stuff that's out

00:53:09.020 there is it easy for them you think to move somebody else into the slot or is swalwell the

00:53:14.080 democrats guy in california come what may great question but who are they going to put in katie

00:53:19.880 Porter, right? I think they're banking on Swalwell because they don't have anyone else. And if he

00:53:25.660 turns out to have this, he has this situation with where does he live? Is he in California

00:53:30.660 or was it DC or Maryland or Virginia? He had another residence. And so he has a lot of factors

00:53:37.080 against him. What he doesn't have against him is he has good hair, which the current governor has

00:53:43.420 great hair and that's what he's going to run for president on. And that's about it. And I think he

00:53:48.020 has right now the support of the democrat party but they're going to have to do a hard line with

00:53:52.580 him and as soon as this stuff starts trickling out he has a long history of this this is this

00:53:57.960 is not new about swalwell he's just kind of flown under the radar for a long time and reports are

00:54:03.680 indicating that he may or may not have been friends with pam bondy i don't know the veracity

00:54:08.760 of that but if he now doesn't have a friend as ag maybe we're going to see a little bit more

00:54:13.760 about eric swalwell coming out in my opinion isn't it crazy katie that he could be having

00:54:20.500 allegedly uh a sexual relationship with a chinese spy i believe fang fang and that he could now i i

00:54:30.780 sometimes people get elected and i might not agree with them but i can sit back and say okay you know

00:54:35.700 what i can see how that the idea that eric swalwell could be in charge of california as bad as gavin

00:54:42.740 newsom has been i think swalwell would be orders of magnitude worse and again he allegedly slept

00:54:49.380 with a chinese spy i just can't believe that he's electable anywhere correct we need to start going

00:54:56.500 after him on all of those things he he hasn't done anything for california it's all been it's all

00:55:01.900 really been him promoting himself and that's what we've seen with most of these government officials

00:55:06.900 out of california and really in a lot of places but he shouldn't be he should not be a serious

00:55:11.740 contender. But this is a problem that the Democrat Party faces on a presidential. They don't have

00:55:17.260 good candidates right now. And so they're pulling from Gavin Newsom and our state is now we're

00:55:22.480 bankrupt. You know, everyone's fleeing Los Angeles in droves. Hollywood can't make a film here.

00:55:28.940 Industry's crashing. President Trump has to have an emergency order to drill oil from our, you know,

00:55:34.620 my entire state under over a gold bed of oil and they're not doing anything about it so

00:55:41.880 look the democrat party is in free fall uh i and i think that this is going to come back to haunt

00:55:48.020 swalwell and we're going to be left with a katie porter which means we're probably going to have a

00:55:52.380 republican governor it's amazing we're speaking to katie zachariah it's amazing that you mentioned

00:55:59.680 hollywood in there now it's fine for for a while i think the uh the talking points from the

00:56:05.200 democrats have been where the global media power or you know global entertainment powerhouse and

00:56:10.480 it's all hollywood's doing great and look at this and look at that and now finally the numbers have

00:56:15.340 come out for people that work in this arena i'm not talking about netflix executives who can just

00:56:21.420 write checks to have the show made in budapest or vancouver which is that that's actually happening

00:56:27.120 a lot because it's so much cheaper for anyone who lives in los angeles county which has been for

00:56:33.500 a hundred years with hollywood the the epicenter of the global film and entertainment industry

00:56:40.480 it's a it's turning into a ghost town for that industry right the jobs are down what like 60

00:56:46.980 70 i mean it's it's in free fall do people realize that this is because of policy because

00:56:52.600 because of what has been done by the governance, by the governing bodies of California?

00:56:59.140 Well, I hope so, because if you look, if you look at this trajectory, this has really been in,

00:57:04.520 I mean, Gavin Newsom inherited a little bit of this, but the free fall has really been

00:57:08.720 happening since then. And it goes into the wider story of Hollywood. They're not making movies

00:57:14.240 that Americans want to see anymore. And so they're, you know, they're selling woke, woke,

00:57:19.020 woke, and people are now finding alternative forms of entertainment and looking towards

00:57:23.600 alternative studios like Angel Studios to find family-friendly, non-woke material that

00:57:30.360 they can watch with their entire family.

00:57:31.940 So listen, what's happening in Hollywood with the taxes, people can't afford it.

00:57:36.320 So you have an actor or an aspiring actor who comes out here and wants to work in Hollywood.

00:57:41.160 They can't even afford a one-bedroom apartment in the middle of West Hollywood or really

00:57:47.200 in any of the surrounding regions. So it's a whole problem of affordability, taxes, material that

00:57:53.820 they can't use, and the decline of Hollywood in general. And so they're going to places like

00:57:58.200 Georgia. I myself went to go to have a film filmed in Ireland because it was a quarter of the cost

00:58:07.660 to do it in Ireland. This was a young George Washington film that's going to be coming out.

00:58:12.940 But they had to film this whole thing in Ireland because the tax incentives are so terrible in the United States.

00:58:18.560 So Los Angeles is just they never get it right right now.

00:58:21.760 And there's a mass exodus because you cannot afford to live here and be an aspiring actor or really an aspiring entrepreneur.

00:58:31.760 Katie, did I just hear that you have a role in young George Washington?

00:58:38.080 My my husband is an executive producer on the film.

00:58:41.420 So, yes, I just we we got to go to Ireland and travel for that film, which was an exciting, exciting time.

00:58:49.760 Well, that's super cool. And I do think this is important.

00:58:52.560 And I've said it quite a lot. I've spent a lot of time in L.A.

00:58:56.120 I have a lot of great friends in L.A., probably the second city that I've spent the second most time in and almost in my life.

00:59:03.900 And I've done a lot of television. And Katie, I'm sure you've seen this, too.

00:59:07.880 and I've talked about it on the program before, but sometimes people hear,

00:59:11.140 oh, well, there's a lot less jobs for Hollywood.

00:59:14.380 Good.

00:59:14.780 I hope they wear it.

00:59:16.060 Actually, a lot of the people losing those jobs are Republicans.

00:59:19.800 A lot of the people who build the sets, a lot of the people who walk around

00:59:23.660 and carry the cameras, a lot of the people who do the physical labor

00:59:27.620 that is required to make movie and television shows and commercials

00:59:31.080 actually vote red.

00:59:32.840 so they don't even share the politics of the people that are costing them their jobs and i do

00:59:39.480 think that's worth keeping in mind remember there are uh in 2020 there were more republican votes

00:59:47.660 for donald trump in california than in texas in 2020 now that's a function of population but katie

00:59:54.280 there are a lot of people who agree with you me and buck that live all over california

00:59:58.440 Well, that's the case, and we feel like the underrepresented majority here because you

01:00:06.060 have a lot of frustration, but again, California shows exactly why sanctuary states should

01:00:13.940 not happen, exactly why we should have the SAVE Act, and exactly why we should be able

01:00:20.580 to regulate who's voting in our elections.

01:00:23.220 if everything gets cleaned up and you have proof of citizenship and you have people that are

01:00:29.800 supposed to be voting, only voting in California, this state would not be blue. It would not be

01:00:35.660 even deep blue. I think we would be purple to red based on what you just said. Most Californians do

01:00:41.960 not agree with the current governance. Most Californians do like President Trump and his

01:00:46.440 policies and want more of President Trump's policies, but have been completely stomped on

01:00:51.580 by the democrat party in california and if you look at the fraud on top of that we're paying a

01:00:56.700 high high price to continue uh with these sanctuary policies and sanctuary politicians

01:01:02.620 katie zachariah former spokesman uh at dhs spokesperson and a lawyer out in california

01:01:10.520 appreciate you being with us we'll talk to you again soon you're you're gonna have to be our

01:01:13.840 chief analyst of all things uh swalwell for governor out there that's gonna be interesting

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