00:06:01.340We totally control the strait, just so you understand, for all the fake news out there.
00:06:05.480Yeah, and look, I give Trump credit here, Buck, for the use of the word control was used by some elements of the president's adversaries in some way to try to suggest Iran was winning the war.
00:06:17.200Obviously, we have a blockade in place.
00:06:18.900For those of you who have been following, and I understand it's kind of a confusing thing to be following legitimately minute to minute,
00:06:26.520the dispute in the strait right now, so far as I can simplify it, Buck, is the U.S. says they will not fully end the blockade until Iran agrees to peace plans.
00:06:37.240Iran is saying the strait should be open during the ceasefire, but if the United States insists on keeping its blockade in place,
00:06:44.720then Iran is not going to allow the strait to be open either.
00:06:48.900I think that gets to the essence of it.
00:06:51.300But so this is one of the big disputes.
00:06:53.860Your take, if at all, I think I sum that up pretty well as to where we are at this exact moment.
00:07:01.020Yes, I think that we don't really know where we are at this exact moment in the sense that the end of the movie hasn't happened yet.
00:07:09.660So it's very tough to say whether this is a great victory, brilliant strategic move.
00:07:16.680we're not we can we can estimate it and we can analyze where it stands right now but i'm telling
00:07:24.080you the the iranians the one thing that i know they're really good at meaning the people who
00:07:29.140are in charge there is creating the grounds for endless talking where they just know they'll cheat
00:07:37.820as soon as they can because they've had decades of practice at this and they know that it's very
00:07:42.460hard to enforce things right it's very hard once you've started to get to the table it's a bad look0.85
00:07:49.700when you say we're in negotiations and then we're going to hit them we're going to hit them again
00:07:53.680we're going to hit them again right then they start to look like they're the victims meaning0.96
00:07:56.300the regime are the victims so clay i i the one part of this uh that i should have known or rather
00:08:02.900i should have uh tempered my enthusiasm a little bit was trump saying oh we're just going to
00:08:07.040blockade them and the straight is open not really it's actually not really how it goes so that part
00:08:12.080of it is is still to be now you could say no we do have the military power to project and we can
00:08:19.520allow ships through but yeah if the ships don't buy it if the other ships that are going through
00:08:25.540don't feel safe it doesn't matter and that's where we're in a little bit of a jam here that's where
00:08:32.560things uh were a lot of bit of a jam in the straight of four moves so yeah i i think that
00:08:37.040Trump is is incur rather Trump is doing what he always does, which is selling the the end state, you know, selling the glorious victory a little early in this process.
00:08:51.340But there's still reason to believe that he can get us there.
00:12:47.760we have kicked ass but everything is not awesome this is not done and there's a lot that remains0.95
00:12:53.580uh to be seen here do you feel like the iranians are acting like people who are cornered and when0.97
00:13:00.080i say the iranians we all know i'm talking about their their leadership does it look like they feel
00:13:04.940defeated like they have no choice like they are desperate for a deal i i don't think so
00:13:13.280are we being honest about this i don't think that it looks like they're desperate for a deal
00:13:17.740so you know this is this is where things go i don't know some of the people that spent a lot
00:13:22.960of time in this part of the world before this administration came along were concerned that
00:13:27.900this is going to be a again i'm not saying we're not going to get there we might get there but just
00:13:32.940want to want to level set expectations as they say it's not easy stuff it's not as easy as just
00:13:39.020blow them up for a couple of weeks and then they'll do anything you want now trump knows that
00:13:43.220I know that's an oversimplification, but we need to strap in here a little bit.0.99
00:13:47.220The idea that we're just going to go in there, kick their ass, and then they're going to say, fine, what do you want, is not what is happening.0.99
00:14:18.260And if you are seen inside of Iran as bending the knee too much to the United States, then your political adversaries in the state, in the country, are likely to try to wipe you out.
00:14:30.980right so one of the challenge biggest challenges i think we're dealing with right now is who is
00:14:36.460actually in control in iran and who can make a deal who has the authority to actually make deals
00:14:43.480remember we still haven't even seen the gayatola like we don't know where he is we don't know what
00:14:47.920he's gonna what he's gonna do counterpoint captain optimism and by the way everyone's rooting for you
00:14:52.300on this one so i'm having fun here i get to put on the on the heel in wrestling i get to but
00:14:56.900counterpoint we haven't seen a single street protest we haven't seen any any uprising anywhere
00:15:02.520in the country of any significance whatsoever since we bombed them just since we bombed the
00:15:07.360regime to smithereens we have seen nothing on the streets we haven't even seen the beginnings
00:15:12.080so they were willing to go out in the streets and be you know and face machine gun fire very
00:15:15.900bravely before we did all this but now we've done all this where's our glorious uprising
00:15:21.440Even the beginnings of it, where's the ember that will start the fire?
00:17:33.860Hour number two, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
00:17:37.120We continue to wait on news as to whether or not there will be any talks in Pakistan.
00:17:44.140The ceasefire deadline tomorrow evening so far, no one has taken off yet.
00:17:51.200And we will see whether there are, in fact, any meetings in Pakistan or not.
00:17:57.900We are joined now by the editor-in-chief of The Federalist, great site run by my friend Sean Davis here out of the great state of Tennessee.
00:18:08.640Molly Hemingway joins us now, and her book is called Alito,
00:18:12.020The Justice Who Reshaped the Supreme Court and Restored the Constitution.
00:18:15.980I actually can't wait to read this because, as we were talking about earlier,
00:18:20.140I really loved your book on Kavanaugh and Rigged.
00:18:23.120You have written some outstanding works.
00:18:25.420If I remember correctly, as I was saying earlier,
00:18:28.220you also have a fantastic mother who is a listener of this radio program,
00:18:32.900so congratulations to her on the publication of your new book.
00:18:37.800And let's dive in, Molly, right off the top, because I know moms are very excited when their daughters and sons publish books.
00:18:59.820How many more years do you think he has?
00:19:01.700what is not only the past but the prologue that what is the prologue in the future look like for
00:19:07.960justice alito well i agree with the reporting that came out a couple days ago that he's not
00:19:14.280going to be stepping down this term that matches my understanding as well i thought it interesting
00:19:19.260that thomas's chambers also reportedly you know they said he's not stepping down either i do think
00:19:26.040that people should be open to the possibility that there still will be a retirement at the
00:19:31.780end of this term. I'm not saying there will be, but I think there's a chance. There are three
00:19:36.600Republican-appointed justices in their 70s. They've all served, you know, quite some time,
00:19:42.140at least 20 years, and so would not be completely shocked if there were one. But as for Alito
00:19:48.420himself, I think one of his big goals as a judge has been to protect religious liberty. Even before
00:19:54.920he got on the Supreme Court, he cared about one bad Supreme Court decision in particular,
00:19:59.740which was Employment Division v. Smith. They almost overturned it a couple years ago, but
00:20:05.220Barrett and Kavanaugh weren't quite ready to, but they're taking another bite at that apple
00:20:10.760this next term. And so I think maybe when that is done, he'll feel more comfortable about seeing
00:20:16.400his work as having reached a point where he can be satisfied. But he also could serve for another,
00:20:21.520you know 10 15 years for all we know okay you just dropped a little nugget there that i want
00:20:25.760to come back to uh thomas and alito have both said there have been reports that they're not
00:20:30.300stepping down john roberts is also over 70 do you think john roberts might be interested in
00:20:36.300stepping down i just i i i can't you know i'm i it's pure speculation which is yeah totally
00:20:42.400the most healthy thing when you're talking about the court but people always talk about thomas
00:20:48.100and Alito, and they just leave out the guy who's been serving for the second longest time,
00:20:52.780which is Roberts. And he has had a lengthy, very full career. He's also probably mildly frustrated
00:21:00.500that some of his big goals on the court, which included collegiality and comedy and the court
00:21:06.140speaking with one voice, it seems that some of the justices, and you've seen some reports about
00:21:11.240this in the last week or so, they're just flagrantly violating those norms. And he's
00:21:17.680probably you know he could be frustrated by that and so who knows it i just think it would it's
00:21:23.400something worth considering if we're in the speculating business hey molly it's buck um and
00:21:29.040congrats on the book among many great books i'm looking on my shelf right now at other
00:21:33.580molly hemingway uh magnum opuses including uh rigged and of course justice on trial and clay
00:21:41.900i had to actually call molly during the kavanaugh character assassination fiasco just so she could
00:21:48.300talk me off the ledge like it was going to be okay i was like they're to tell me they're not
00:21:52.340actually going to be able to do this to this guy and it was a close one but she she kept the faith
00:21:57.720and certainly kavanaugh finally uh got through okay molly to that end on on the dirtiness sometimes
00:22:04.700within the supreme court we wish it weren't so but there is dirtiness in the supreme court
00:22:09.200Tell everybody about the timing of Dobbs, which was the decision that overturned Roe v. Wade.
00:22:16.540Walk us through what you found on this and what the timeline tells us about the three libs on the court
00:22:23.580and their lack of urgency, shall we say, to actually have that decision come forward.
00:22:30.320So for Alito, I interviewed close to 100 people, many of them federal judges, many of them Supreme Court justices.
00:22:38.040And I got a lot of interesting stories and information out of it. But far and away, the most interesting, explosive thing I learned was that after the Dobbs leak, when the lives of each of the Dobbs justices was under threat, assassination threat, security threats, people were wearing bulletproof vests.
00:22:57.160they were being moved to secure locations, their children were being targeted. The three liberals
00:23:03.140who co-authored the dissent in Dobbs, which would be Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor, basically conspired
00:23:09.720to slow walk and delay their dissent to the very last minute, even though they knew their colleagues
00:23:16.600weren't just dealing with these threats, but had asked them to please hurry. And even by the time
00:23:22.440of the leak, which came months after the majority had distributed their opinion, they should have
00:23:28.780had it done by then. They didn't. They were asked to speed it up and they declined. And to the extent
00:23:35.120that the one justice who was open to speeding things up, who was Justice Breyer, was screamed
00:23:41.160at, according to my sources, by Elena Kagan, who said, do not speed up for them. And they didn't
00:23:47.900get it done until June. And then when they filed their dissent, it still couldn't come out for
00:23:54.020another three plus weeks because they included a completely unnecessary and gratuitous reference
00:23:59.620to a case that was still being worked on. And so the final Dobbs decision didn't come out until
00:24:06.460June 23rd. And this was nearly two months of people dealing with unending security and death
00:24:13.780threats and during that time i'll point out kavanaugh himself and his children and his wife
00:24:18.680you know faced an assassin outside their home we talked about it on the program at the time
00:24:25.280i i found it to be despicable um and we've continued to bring this up every now and then
00:24:29.980we have guests like you did your reporting did you uncover any possible idea who the leaker was
00:24:36.900in dobbs do you think inside of the supreme court there's any suggestion or idea of who this might
00:24:43.360be because we just got another leak that was super uh anti the so-called conservative side
00:24:50.240of the court which suggests this isn't over having to do with emergency dockets and whatnot
00:24:55.160do you think they have any decent idea who did this what is the vibe inside of the white house
00:25:01.100inside of the supreme court you mentioned the lack of collegiality justice roberts frustration
00:25:06.040that to me is still a huge story that it's just like everybody pretends never happened
00:25:11.480It was huge. And even though nobody suspected any of the justices of being directly involved in the leak, it did hamper the situation, given how those justices handled the aftermath of the leak.
00:25:24.560But one of the things I really get into in the book is everything about the Dobbs leak, the Dobbs leak investigation, what went right, which was basically nothing, what went wrong, which was a ton of stuff.
00:25:37.320and just exploring. Yes, it's a difficult thing to investigate, but they just did a horrible job
00:25:44.100of it. Chief Justice John Roberts, you know, set the marshal on the task immediately, but it took
00:25:49.600weeks before they really began investigating anything. They didn't even understand all the
00:25:54.460different places that people can have copies of that draft opinion, including in their homes.
00:26:01.040They didn't ask questions of the clerks that would in any way get to the heart of the answer.
00:26:05.520So for instance, they would say, did you leak the document? And everybody said no. Well, imagine, if you will, that one of the clerks takes the decision or the draft opinion home and someone else in the house leaks it. That clerk could say, I didn't leak it, even if there were kind of a bigger plot to get that decision to the reporters in question.
00:26:29.620They should have asked real questions like, do you know this reporter? Do you know this other reporter who were involved with the leak? Do you know any editors at Politico? Have you ever interacted with Politico? Tell us about the times that you did.
00:26:42.700But, you know, they could have run it like they actually wanted to find out who did it.
00:26:46.920Now, having said all that, I do think that a lot of the people inside the court definitely have their theory about who leaked it.
00:26:54.240But until that person admits it himself or herself, it will be difficult to know for sure.
00:27:02.220Let me ask you this, Molly, without putting you on too much of the hot seat, although we do enjoy putting people on the hot seat somewhat here.
00:27:10.340Your new book is Alito, The Justice Who Reshaped the Supreme Court and Restored the Constitution.
00:27:15.540I am going to buy a copy today because I believe in buying books from authors who write great books.
00:27:23.420And I hope a lot of people listening will do that, too, because your previous works have proven that your books are worth reading, worth buying and worth supporting.
00:27:31.900That all said, do you have, in your mind, a certainty that it was a clerk and not a Supreme Court justice involved in getting that decision released early in the way that we all saw?
00:27:49.340To you, is it 100% that it was not actually a justice and that it had to be a clerk, or do you leave open that it could have been a justice?
00:27:57.020I have not encountered a single knowledgeable person who thinks it's any of the justices.
00:28:03.800Now, meaning particularly directly, I do think that the universe is larger than just clerks.
00:28:10.620I do think it was likely it was a clerk, but there are permanent staff members also at the court.
00:28:15.700And, you know, some people do think that maybe one of them did.
00:28:19.300I don't for a variety of reasons, including that the original political article was speaking with their source.
00:28:25.300and their source had information about how the deliberations had gone and how the decision had
00:28:30.740gone in a way that a clerk would have access to. So I think that's likely. And it's not to say that
00:28:37.540the most recent leak might not have a current or former justice at the heart of it. It very well
00:28:44.520might. But as far as the Dobbs decision itself, I don't believe they were directly involved.
00:28:51.480And I also think it's hard to have more than one person involved, frankly, for that kind of league.
00:28:55.720We're talking to Molly Hemingway, great book out, Alito, that both Buck and I can't wait to read.
00:29:01.160Molly, a lot of discussion about the upcoming decisions that are still waiting from the Supreme Court.
00:29:08.880Birthright, citizenship, and expectation.
00:29:11.520I'm curious if you would share it as well, from me at least, that Alito may well be writing the racial gerrymandering case that we are waiting on.
00:29:20.800um where do you see this term going based on what your research has shown you i know this is
00:29:27.480looking forward um and what do you think are justice alito's top focus points from a larger
00:29:34.640judicial philosophy assuming that he's going to stay on the court what do you think he's looking
00:29:39.420at and interested in addressing going forward so first off on that racial gerrymandering situation
00:29:46.200case. It is widely understood that Alito is writing the majority opinion there just because
00:29:52.060he hasn't yet written something from the October setting of the court. And so that would be the
00:29:57.560obvious thing. Now, why has it not come out yet? This relates to what I just said about what
00:30:02.780happened after the Dobbs leak. The liberal justices slow walked their dissent to achieve
00:30:09.320political outcomes, either literally getting one of their colleagues killed or just persuading
00:30:14.540one of their colleagues to move away from their decision. That was clearly what they were doing
00:30:19.540by slow walking. Well, there was reporting last week that they're slow walking the racial0.99
00:30:23.900gerrymandering case. And the reason why would be probably related to the fact that if Alito is
00:30:29.880writing that decision, it's going to come down in a way that affects the midterm elections
00:30:35.160and that the liberal justices don't like that it's going to hurt the Democrat party.
00:30:40.260And so if this is becoming a pattern, they're losing cases, they're throwing tantrums, they're yelling at their colleagues publicly, which has never – like, usually you just keep that to your opinions and your dissents and your concurrences, whatever mean things you want to say.
00:30:54.560But they're doing it publicly to undermine the integrity of the court.
00:31:00.440Now, as for what Alito's legacy and what he's thinking going forward, I think it's really interesting to compare.
00:31:08.380He and Justice Thomas are frequently on the same side of things.
00:31:11.880They're very consistent in their jurisprudence.
00:31:15.100Thomas is more of a libertarian originalist, and Alito is more of a conservative originalist.
00:31:21.420And I think going forward, one of the big lessons that Alito has to teach people is that you can be deeply principled and also incredibly effective.
00:31:32.220Right now, the right has these extremes where like on the one side, they're like, here are my principles and I don't care what happens in terms of getting them to a point where they actually help people.
00:31:41.700And then you also have people who say, who cares about principles?
00:31:45.460Alito is a model, not just for attorneys and judges, but really for the entire country.
00:31:51.420in in how you can blend principle and pragmatism to make sure that the country benefits from those
00:31:59.700principles i could talk to you all day about the interior we've got a quick uh got a quick turn
00:32:04.580here but i want to ask you this you talk to a ton of people what's the vibe on katanji brown1.00
00:32:09.060jackson is she super unpopular with everyone on the court regardless of their politics based on
00:32:14.620what you saw it feels that way sometimes reading the opinions it's it's clear from reading the
00:32:20.480opinions that they don't have a lot of respect for her jurisprudence. She doesn't really try to tie
00:32:25.920things, not just the constitutional law, but the law itself. One highly placed person at the court
00:32:32.080had told me she makes Sonia Sotomayor look like a philosopher king. So that might tell you a little
00:32:38.640bit about how she's viewed. Yep, sounds about right. Molly Hemingway, everybody, go get her book,
00:32:44.320Alito, The Justice Who Reshaped the Supreme Court and Restored the Constitution. Molly,
00:32:48.340congrats on the success of it so far and you're going to get a lot more book sales coming in
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00:33:52.880buck sexton show we now head up to the state of minnesota to talk with our friend michelle
00:33:58.900to foia it's nfl draft week you're running for the senate does any part of you miss just saying
00:34:06.240who you think's gonna get drafted by whom and how the draft's gonna go or are you uh you know
00:34:13.340Because sometimes when the actual events happen, you'll hear athletes say, I don't miss practice or I don't miss all of the work that goes in, but the actual event itself I miss.
00:34:23.720Does any part of you miss the actual games or the actual events?
00:34:29.340You know, sometimes I will tell you, I don't miss any cold weather games.
00:34:43.340um you know what there's i miss the people some of my friends al chris you know fred and drew the
00:34:50.320producer and director but i am so into what i'm doing now although i will say it's a lot easier
00:34:56.000to say you know what i think fernando mendoza is going to go with the number one overall pick
00:34:59.880yes you don't you don't get nearly as much pushback on a take like that as you do in some
00:35:04.880of the takes that i that i say these days well how is it going in the land of politics for you
00:35:11.540give us an update what's it looking like well the update is actually very good you know we got in
00:35:17.060the race january 21st so not not right at the beginning of the year and still in the first
00:35:22.180quarter we raised 2.2 million dollars which is a record for a republican senatorial campaign in the
00:35:28.480first quarter uh we beat out all of our republican candidates combined uh that they've raised in the
00:35:35.580last year and we even beat out peggy flanagan the lieutenant governor who's running on the democrat
00:35:40.760side so our fundraising tells me people are excited about this they want to be involved you
00:35:47.320know we we went out and really guys we earned every cent of that and it's thrilling for me to
00:35:53.960see people contribute five dollars because it tells me that it's what they have to give and
00:36:00.660they are invested and i love that or people that come up to me at fundraisers or meet and greets
00:36:05.380and they hand me a ten dollar bill i love that because it just shows they want to be in it they
00:36:11.500may not have a ton of money but they want to be in it and those are the people i i can't wait to
00:36:16.520represent so it's going very well what is as you travel the state of minnesota what is the top
00:36:24.600storyline that you are picking up on um and i know there's a divide somewhat between more red
00:36:32.320voters in the northern parts and obviously minneapolis which might characterize things
00:36:36.820differently but as you travel what would you say is a unifying conversation that you're having with
00:36:42.440people what does it feel like out around the state of minnesota people are still furious
00:36:49.480about the fraud and it's not only because we were all stolen from and quite frankly a lot of this
00:36:56.900was federal money, so you were stolen from, too, in this fraud. But they're angry that Tim Walls
00:37:03.280and Peggy Flanagan and A.G. Keith Ellison have not been held accountable to the extent that
00:37:08.340people would like. They're very curious about Ilhan Omar and her changing financial story.
00:37:15.280The accountability thing is big here in Minnesota. People want to know that if someone does something
00:37:23.400wrong in government, that they're going to pay a price for it, whatever that price is.
00:37:29.060And you can say, oh, well, Tim Walls, he's no longer running for that third term. He's paying
00:37:32.880his price. Well, no, he's actually not. And he started a new PAC. I don't know if you guys
00:37:37.140heard called the Small Town PAC. He's continuing to pretend that he's a small town guy, even though
00:37:43.340every small town in Minnesota despises him and his policies. He just announced this PAC yesterday.
00:37:49.460so um people are furious and they're embarrassed too they're really embarrassed they're like
00:37:55.960you know when we go out of town when we travel we don't want to say where we're from
00:38:00.040and it's it's hard to blame them i was just going to say i think this is important um you've got
00:38:08.340four democrat held seats new hampshire michigan minnesota georgia and i'm not ranking those in
00:38:14.800any order but just off the top right there if you win michelle there is a zero percent chance
00:38:21.300basically that there would be a democrat controlled senate do you feel people talking about that in
00:38:27.780your state that you have the opportunity to swing a blue state uh seat back to a red state or do you
00:38:35.040think it's hyper local how much of this race that you're seeing is nationalized versus how much is
00:38:41.280minnesota specific i would say here in april uh it's minnesota specific and and i do try to
00:38:48.520remind people we cannot we cannot allow uh you know both of our seats to be held by democrats
00:38:54.520and as you know uh amy klobuchar is running for governor should she win the governorship0.98
00:38:59.840here in minnesota she would assign her seat to someone that she likes that's obviously going to
00:39:05.200be a democrat so we really continue to push the importance of winning this seat and having
00:39:11.100some representation. But I think at this moment in time, people want to know how we're going to
00:39:18.320help Minnesota. And so I'm constantly driving those points home. And we've got a lot of ways
00:39:22.220we can do it from the federal government. And I don't want people to lose sight of that. It's
00:39:26.860really, really important. And I'm sure that we'll get here, but end of May, as we head into the
00:39:33.140summertime, it'll become a lot more of a national story. But it is interesting, too, just talking to
00:39:39.680people who do have that macro perspective, they want to do this. And I can't think of a better
00:39:48.100time in Minnesota to flip a seat. Minnesotans want change. They're angry. We've got an open0.99
00:39:53.900seat. And here you've got a Republican, finally, who can fundraise and do this. And again,
00:40:00.560the fundraising, I think, exemplifies how excited people are. And they're behind me.
00:40:08.400how much does the women's sports issue given your background and also i think there's uh michelle1.00
00:40:15.660there's an awakening among people on the right after the 2024 election and trump's big win and
00:40:20.960the republican party uh really on that trump wave democrats have not changed on this issue
00:40:26.440they have not budged on this issue they have not uh become more reasonable or rational or science
00:40:31.380based and given your background as a sports commentator as well as a woman and a mom and
00:40:38.320all these things um is this is this a place where people are saying to you you know we still have to
00:40:44.800stand strong on this issue or is it just really pushed to the side because of cost of living
00:40:49.740uh fraud and accountability some of these other important issues no it has not been pushed aside
00:40:55.680We had one of the best examples here in Minnesota of the unfairness of this when the girls softball championship last year was won by a team whose most dominant and most active pitcher was a biological boy.
00:41:09.940And, you know, parents around Minnesota, they're not having it.
00:41:16.020They are still very much in the camp that this is totally unfair, unsafe, undesirable.
00:41:21.940They don't want their girls' spaces shared with boys.
00:41:24.260Look, and we just had our legislatures in session and every Democrat in the Minnesota House and Senate voted against splitting these, saying the boys can't compete in girls sports.
00:41:36.560They all voted against it. It's astonishing to me.
00:41:41.640And I run into parents and grandparents who say, I can't believe we're still talking about this.
00:41:48.180This is insanity. And as you both know, it is insanity. It still exists.
00:41:54.260Yeah, I don't know what it's going to take, but it's certainly at the top of my agenda.
00:42:02.380We didn't talk about it much on the program, but Tim Walls, current governor of Minnesota, went overseas and ripped the United States positions on many different issues.
00:42:14.160Traditionally, there has been the idea that you might say negative things when you're here in the country, but you typically don't go overseas and rip the country.
00:42:26.080What were your thoughts on that, and what is Tim Walz's perspective now?
00:42:30.860I mean, the guy was almost vice president of the United States, 240,000 votes away.
00:42:36.060And now it seems like the proverbial, you know, chickens are coming home to roost here and that there's a total collapse of his support.
00:42:44.960Are you feeling that as you travel around?
00:45:08.820I don't know if you've been asked about this, but this is one of many things that's directly in your wheelhouse.
00:45:14.580Mike Vrabel, who's the head coach of the New England Patriots, just had a press conference and acknowledged difficult conversations with his family.
00:45:23.680For people out there who don't know, this has been a huge story.
00:45:27.200I think it's cut across beyond sports as well.
00:45:30.480Diana Russini, who is a reporter for The Athletic, which is owned by The New York Times,
00:45:35.700and Mike Vrabel were photographed at a pool at an adult resort.
00:45:40.840And initially she kept her job, then she resigned.
00:45:43.680Now he said he's had difficult conversations.
00:45:46.320You, as a woman who covered a lot of men in the NFL for decades,
00:45:51.740what was your reaction when you saw that as someone who has been a reporter for,
00:45:55.660like i said decades in the nfl yeah well you know what i when i first saw the photos i was like
00:46:01.220that's not the way that i would have done the job um look i went to nfl owners meetings you're at
00:46:07.760resorts you're at these kinds of occasions uh i wouldn't be caught dead in a swimsuit near a coach
00:46:14.820or an owner or g you know a gm anyone now that's just me i tried to cover some slack and and and
00:46:21.700we still don't know all the details, except that she did decide to resign. And Mike Vrabel did
00:46:25.960finally make a statement. Look, when you're a journalist, integrity matters. Objectivity
00:46:32.000matters. And you can have great relationships with a coach or a player or an owner, whatever.
00:46:38.320But this one seemed to be just a little bit crossing the line. And again, I think her
00:46:46.360resigning was probably the best thing for her. I think ultimately she may land on her feet.
00:46:51.700There were people who were screaming for Mike Vrabel to say something.
00:46:56.260Really, the breakdown here is in the journalistic integrity.
00:47:01.340If you are a reporter covering anything, whether it's politics or sports or business,
00:47:07.260you've got to manage those relationships.
00:47:10.180And you can't help but wonder where that relationship was going
00:47:14.200and what it might have done to her reporting.
00:47:16.960So that's where the line gets crossed.
00:47:19.440So I would have been very uncomfortable in that scenario.
00:47:22.500Again, I'm trying really hard not to be judgy and not to be not to jump to conclusions.
00:47:28.780But given both of their statements, it seems like there was this was a difficult conversation and variable is going to have to deal with it in his world as Diana is in hers.
01:01:10.660and like they did for everybody else when they rigged everything for Biden both in 20 and in 241.00
01:01:16.380they need to find a minority candidate who can cut into Kamala's appeal with black women1.00
01:01:23.640is it AOC I don't know I think it's the reason she's in a good spot is there is no other black0.99
01:01:31.640female candidate that is able to tap into the audience that she already has gained the loyalty0.96
01:01:37.760of so one is there a way does AOC peel any of that away can Wes Moore Cory Booker can't like
01:01:45.000it's just never going to happen for him but is there a minority candidate that can cut into her
01:01:50.500minority appeal that's cut one for what they do two is Buck and I keep hammering this I'm the only
01:01:56.100person in America who seems to say it which primary states are first if they make South0.98
01:02:01.900Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee early up in the primary process Kamala is going to be the nominee
01:02:07.260if they suddenly go back and say we got to go back to new hampshire and we got to go back to
01:02:12.820iowa it gives other people a chance to get their voices heard but if they go to states with large
01:02:19.920black populations in the primary kamala is going to be the nominee i'm just telling you you can
01:02:24.820think it's crazy uh but a lot of people would have said it was crazy when uh when in 2022 if
01:02:32.300you had said hey donald trump's gonna win his best victory of all time in 2024 i think she believes
01:02:39.040time is on her side i've also got something else that i've got to say the reporting on this would
01:02:48.120indicate that clay was on to something which i hate to admit but i cannot tell a lie you see
01:02:53.700this stuff about desantis you said supreme court i said i don't think he wants supreme court i think
01:03:00.440he wants to stay in the game the reporting right now is well it's kind of both both are right now
01:03:07.160in play in the sense that he either wants a top three cabinet job or which would be war
01:03:16.320uh uh department of war department defense uh secretary of state or maybe treasury some people
01:03:23.400ag that he's very interested in ag according to this no no axios is saying he's not interested
01:03:30.000oh okay i see this headline right now sorry yes not interested in ag that's that's what was
01:03:34.080surprising to me okay he is interested possibly in a supreme court opening that i did not see
01:03:42.340i thought that he would so he it's not that he wants that as the top choice but apparently the
01:03:47.240reporting is that desantis is open to the idea which i will admit is a surprise to me i thought
01:03:52.160he would want to be in the political game no question no no uh no fuss no muss but turns out
01:03:58.620At least if you believe this, and this doesn't, you can always, there's the things that the New York Times and Axios report where there's political advantage in lying and you have to be careful.
01:04:07.900But there's some times where they probably just want to report what they're finding because why not?
01:04:13.260Why not be, you know, there's no penalty for accuracy.
01:04:16.460That's what you have to remember with the corporate media.
01:04:18.500If there's no penalty for accuracy, sometimes they tell the truth.
01:04:21.760Yeah. And also, if the reporting corresponds with some things that you or I have experienced, again, Ron DeSantis, and I say this favorably, is a law nerd. He loves reading Supreme Court opinions. He likes to analyze the law.
01:04:38.700I think, I said this, what, a week or two weeks ago, as the Alito talk, Clarence Thomas, I thought that it was interesting that Molly Hemingway mentioned, you know, John Roberts also over 70 years old, that there would be deep interest potentially in a replacement there.
01:04:58.000And this interesting part in the in the Axios story, Buck, is that there is a headline here that specifically references Clarence Thomas, DeSantis and conservative justice Clarence Thomas said, according to a source, almost have a father son relationship.
01:05:16.780That would be a hell of a legacy for Trump.
01:05:20.160Now, I told you, and I think you probably signed on this too as well, Buck.
01:05:24.760It only takes about two more years for Clarence Thomas to be the longest serving justice of all time.