Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 30 2026

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00:00:04.560 Welcome back in.

00:00:05.960 I say back in because we're on every day,

00:00:08.040 but this is the first moment you've heard from us today.

00:00:10.540 It is the Thursday edition of Clay and Buck.

00:00:14.100 Lots going on.

00:00:15.340 We are getting nearly record highs in the stock market.

00:00:19.820 Fairly solid results coming out on the economy overall.

00:00:24.660 Pete Hegseth testifying for a second straight day,

00:00:27.380 this time to the senate as everyone on the democrat side is screaming at him um big news

00:00:34.960 i would say that has come out from the state of maine uh where the senate primary to challenge

00:00:42.880 susan collins which will go a long way towards determining who has control of the senate there

00:00:48.980 is virtually no pathway to uh democrats taking back control of the senate that doesn't include

00:00:56.140 winning in maine buck i don't know if you know this i was doing research this morning

00:01:00.600 um susan collins is the only republican statewide elected official in the house or the senate side

00:01:09.280 in all of new england so there's a lot of talk right now about gerrymandering i shared the map

00:01:16.180 picture there is not a single republican in maine in new hampshire in massachusetts in vermont

00:01:24.660 that whole region of the country all has been dominated and taken over by Democrats,

00:01:32.640 even though there are a lot of Republican voters in those areas.

00:01:37.200 So Susan Collins is, talk about the 80s and the 90s off air a little bit,

00:01:42.300 the last of the Mohicans, Buck, which is a fantastic movie.

00:01:46.500 Also underrated Michael Mann masterpiece.

00:01:50.520 Daniel Day-Lewis basically lived in the woods for months

00:01:53.720 and completely took on that character.

00:01:56.420 It's really when Daniel Day-Lewis was hitting his stride

00:01:58.400 as one of the greatest actors of his era.

00:02:00.440 If you have not seen that last The Mohicans movie,

00:02:03.720 and honestly, if you have seen it, go back and watch it again.

00:02:07.340 It is so well done.

00:02:09.460 The music is incredible.

00:02:11.240 The combat sequences hold up very well.

00:02:14.480 Great movie.

00:02:15.600 I actually, you sent me a clip of Beverly Hills Cop

00:02:18.280 that I was watching this morning, which is a very funny scene.

00:02:20.960 Actually, there is a scene in Last of the Mohicans

00:02:24.680 that is about four minutes long and is just music.

00:02:30.280 And it's all during the battle fight

00:02:32.460 when they're burning the guy at the stake, if you remember this scene.

00:02:36.440 This is leading up to the final confrontation with Magwa,

00:02:40.120 played by Wes Studi, a fantastic American Indian actor

00:02:45.940 who was also in Heat, who was in Dances with Wolves.

00:02:48.940 I celebrate his whole catalog.

00:02:50.740 He's a very talented guy.

00:02:52.600 There's about a four-minute no-audio segment of that movie that went viral

00:02:57.680 because a lot of people haven't seen it.

00:02:59.240 When did that come out, like 1992, 1993-ish probably?

00:03:03.840 It's so good.

00:03:06.060 And Elizabeth Warren has so taken over New England, 1.00

00:03:11.540 continuing our Native American theme here, 0.95

00:03:13.880 that she has eliminated everybody but Susan Collins.

00:03:20.040 So in the New England area, the state of Maine is deciding

00:03:25.720 who is going to run against Susan Collins.

00:03:29.720 And the expectation was going to be Janet Mills, the governor. 1.00

00:03:33.400 She's old but has been elected statewide to Maine a lot. 0.98

00:03:37.100 She had an expectation that she was basically going to waltz 0.98

00:03:40.560 to this Democrat Senate nomination in Maine,

00:03:44.540 Graham Plattner, who is the 41 or 42-year-old former bartender

00:03:51.160 with a Nazi tattoo on his chest, he smoked her.

00:03:56.540 And she dropped out this morning.

00:03:58.940 So it is going to be Susan Collins against Graham Plattner.

00:04:03.520 I would say this.

00:04:04.260 You might say, okay, Clay, what is the impact here?

00:04:06.380 First of all, there's an actual guy with a Nazi tattoo.

00:04:10.560 that Democrats decided in a state like Maine that is kind of a purple state,

00:04:16.240 hey, this is the guy that we want to be the avatar for our overall party.

00:04:23.120 And this is indicative, Buck, of, for those of you out there that are Jewish, 0.95

00:04:27.320 the Democrat Party hates you now.

00:04:29.320 I mean, that's just the reality.

00:04:31.240 They called Trump a Nazi as an insult.

00:04:34.120 They now have nominated a guy with an actual Nazi tattoo on his chest,

00:04:38.520 And he is going to be their their their vanguard for trying to take back the the Senate.

00:04:46.220 Here is something that I think is worth thinking about.

00:04:49.100 You like to talk about hubris, Buck.

00:04:51.380 Is it possible that Democrats are getting so cocky as they look at the 2026 midterm that they are starting to nominate actual far left wing nominees that may not play as well in their state?

00:05:08.520 And I'll give you another example. They are, I think, in Michigan, going to nominate this guy, Al-Sayed, who is crazy, crazy left winger out of out of Michigan.

00:05:22.040 He's going to win, I think, a competitive Democrat primary. Now, that's just two states. But Michigan is an open Senate seat. Republicans are defending in Maine.

00:05:31.700 if republicans win either of those seats there is no mathematical equation that leads to

00:05:37.380 any kind of challenge to republican control in the senate and you and i have talked about this

00:05:42.780 a great deal but it is important to keep in mind we have a lot of older members of the supreme court

00:05:49.280 we've talked about alito we've talked about thomas john roberts is no spring chicken now

00:05:54.300 you never know when a opening is potentially going to occur if democrats take back control

00:06:01.760 of the senate there will be no supreme court opportunity to fill any vacancy for two years

00:06:07.300 so understand that the 2028 presidential election would then be about who is going to be able uh to

00:06:15.880 win that race to be able to pick a next supreme court justice just fyi this was like a clay nato

00:06:21.460 Like, we're all over the place here.

00:06:23.080 We're talking New England.

00:06:25.440 We're talking gerrymandering.

00:06:27.220 I'm tying it all together.

00:06:28.480 Midterm fights, Supreme Court justices.

00:06:30.220 I mean, you give Clay Travis a five-minute monologue, you're going to cover every...

00:06:34.220 No reference to sports, though.

00:06:36.720 A little sad about that.

00:06:37.780 But there'll be opportunities.

00:06:39.260 There'll be opportunities.

00:06:40.100 Is there anything going on in sports these days?

00:06:41.640 I don't even know.

00:06:42.620 So, probably something.

00:06:43.800 The Atlanta Braves can't lose.

00:06:45.580 Like I said yesterday, I watch the Atlanta Braves every night.

00:06:48.660 Nice walk-off home run by Matt Olson against the Detroit Tigers.

00:06:52.880 Do you think that this morning, as I'm sure,

00:06:58.040 as you were drinking your Crockett coffee,

00:06:59.560 because it's the best delicious coffee as I was, I actually was,

00:07:03.760 listening to Supreme Court oral arguments.

00:07:09.100 By the way, today's the first day that we declare

00:07:10.500 that I have not worn the same color T-shirt by accident.

00:07:15.080 There is, in fact, no uniform on the Clay and Buck show,

00:07:18.440 but sometimes you might get confused because, I don't know, mind meld.

00:07:22.780 I'm like, if I were, anyway, I'm not even going to get into that right now.

00:07:25.960 Point is, Supreme Court arguments this morning.

00:07:28.960 Did you, you'll be listening into some of this.

00:07:31.460 Yeah.

00:07:31.680 I think that, I think that this is going to be, it's probably a 6-3,

00:07:36.560 but it's a 6-3 where the dissent is just going to be a whiny MSNBC comments rant

00:07:46.080 from Kagan, Sotomayor, and KBJ because it's really straightforward.

00:07:54.820 Just so you guys all know what's going on here,

00:07:57.640 you have basically people representing Syrian temporary protected status individuals

00:08:05.880 and Haitian temporary protected status individuals,

00:08:11.640 and those people are saying,

00:08:13.540 you're not allowed to end our temporary protected status now this is and they brought this all the

00:08:18.780 way up the supreme court this is interesting to me clay because in the words or in in the phrase

00:08:24.660 there is this thing temporary temporary protected status means we the american people are willing

00:08:31.180 to give you safe harbor for a limited period of time with the understanding you will return home

00:08:38.320 when you don't face you know torture rape mutilation death squad all that stuff right

00:08:43.400 this is just us being nice but unfortunately this goes in the immigration category of the 0.99

00:08:50.240 no good deed goes unpunished side of things because we've taken them in and now they're 0.93

00:08:57.560 basically saying well we get to stay forever and people say no they're not saying forever no well

00:09:01.540 they're saying that the process of ending their temporary status was an illegitimate process the

00:09:08.820 processes the government gets to say okay go home now that is the process but what they're trying

00:09:14.280 to do is make this a race issue because then oh it's a little bit like you know did oj you know

00:09:20.220 did oj kill his wife and that guy in a horrible brutal fashion well yeah of course but cops were

00:09:27.340 racist once in los angeles right and they're trying to make this something else they're

00:09:31.000 challenging this by saying well it's non-white people that are being told to go back to their

00:09:38.040 homes and we allowed some south africans to come to america who are white who are facing racial

00:09:43.280 persecution by the way which is the point and now i clay it was honestly one of the weakest oral

00:09:48.520 arguments from the democrats i think i've ever heard so it's not going to be a 9-0 but i think

00:09:53.820 it is a reminder to everybody that with immigration your kindness you the american people your kindness

00:09:59.320 is never respected your kindness for people that are on temporary protected status is to be taken

00:10:05.060 advantage of after we talked yesterday i got a bunch of emails from people who are involved in

00:10:11.020 the snap program buck and they were emailing me yes they were emailing me just saying republicans

00:10:19.800 have basically gotten so afraid of being accused of hating poor people right i mean that is the

00:10:26.840 number one line of attack that democrats bring to bear you hate poor people the amount of money

00:10:34.620 I don't think most people are even aware of it.

00:10:37.860 The amount of $800 a month for free food and the degree to which people qualify for it is staggering.

00:10:49.520 $10,000 a year in just basically the government giving you free food credits that you can take to a grocery store.

00:10:58.640 $10,000.

00:10:59.560 Like, we talk a lot about whether there should be universal basic income in the country now, right?

00:11:07.800 There is.

00:11:08.980 And I think it directly ties into immigration.

00:11:12.120 I was looking, the average SNAP person, right, recipient,

00:11:19.960 makes almost more money, Buck, in free food in the United States than,

00:11:27.340 I need to do research on this team.

00:11:29.240 and this is where you need a full-time researcher on the show

00:11:31.240 because sometimes my math is not 100% correct.

00:11:33.460 I want to make sure.

00:11:34.540 I believe that if you live in Iran today,

00:11:38.120 I think the average person is living in Iran,

00:11:42.880 it's something on like $8,000 a year in terms of GNP basic.

00:11:49.900 You can make more money just by living in the United States 0.83

00:11:54.160 in free groceries than the average person does living in Iran, period. 1.00

00:12:00.620 Think about that for a moment.

00:12:02.320 We give free food to the poorest people in America that is worth more than many people

00:12:11.100 make in an entire year living in a different country, and then we're surprised that people

00:12:16.980 do everything they can to get here.

00:12:19.280 snap benefits alone in the united states are worth more than most people make in a year

00:12:27.020 for actually working we just give people free food here and again i think a lot of this you

00:12:33.140 come back to and say the most overweight people in america are people that are getting free food

00:12:41.200 in america so there isn't any actual starvation or significant hunger that exists among the poor

00:12:48.560 in the united states by and large it just doesn't exist no one starves to death here in fact you

00:12:54.540 end up super fat on government uh funded food and again people are so afraid of being accused of not

00:13:02.280 liking poor people that they don't even aren't even willing to look at what we spend i think

00:13:08.120 our snap budget buck is approaching a hundred billion dollars a year

00:13:12.760 this is crazy stuff i mean we've just gotten used to spending such a huge amount in our federal

00:13:22.120 budget that nobody looks at it and just ask questions because they're so afraid of being

00:13:27.360 accused of sending kids home hungry of not having anybody take it there's nobody starving in the

00:13:33.000 united states it does not exist we are giving people so much free stuff that the amount of

00:13:40.020 the desperation to get here is it makes sense you can make more money in free food than you can

00:13:44.840 working a whole year in much of the rest of the world you want you want me to really blow your

00:13:49.260 mind so medicaid is the single biggest driver of debt and the single biggest line item in budgets

00:13:57.460 of places like new york state the biggest thing the biggest thing the state of new york and remember

00:14:03.000 federal dollars they're always funneling federal dollars into the new york state medicaid just

00:14:07.100 like they do in california with cal care or whatever they call it you know medical i think

00:14:11.820 right yeah i think it's medical um clay the most comprehensive study this is from the new england

00:14:17.940 journal of medicine this isn't from you know right wing anti-vax mommy.net backslash ampersand

00:14:24.680 not that there's anything wrong with that site uh but the oregon experiment effects of medicaid

00:14:30.080 on clinical outcomes, they looked at thousands and thousands, 6,387 adults, Clay, and looked

00:14:39.140 at people's health outcomes, Medicaid versus non-Medicaid in the same, they controlled

00:14:44.840 for, I won't describe the entire experiment, you know what they found?

00:14:47.680 Having Medicaid coverage versus having no Medicaid coverage made no discernible difference

00:14:51.600 whatsoever in health outcomes among the group.

00:14:54.700 So we had this massive healthcare program that doesn't actually make people healthier,

00:15:00.080 and is the biggest driver of debt for most states, which we are paying for, by the way.

00:15:04.840 Yeah, this is my whole argument.

00:15:06.420 If you just cut half of all medical treatment, there would be zero impact in average lifespan.

00:15:11.860 If you just waved a magic wand and said, hey, we're going to cut 50% of all health care spending in the United States,

00:15:17.940 I think it would have no impact.

00:15:18.860 By the way, according to Grok, I'm right.

00:15:20.680 the average household income in iran is roughly equivalent to the average snap benefits in the

00:15:29.500 united states that is we give as much in free food as the average person living in iran makes

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00:17:04.200 Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

00:17:07.660 Thanks for being here with us.

00:17:09.120 We'll get back into some of the redistricting conversation and talk to the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, who I'm just going to tell you is a Florida resident.

00:17:19.740 I'm going to have to say when he comes on.

00:17:20.960 I always feel grateful to what a fantastic job he has done.

00:17:26.840 We should we tease.

00:17:28.320 It's kind of a good tease that one of our one of our podcast has been nominated.

00:17:33.700 So, yes, DeSantis will join us.

00:17:35.720 Let me read this.

00:17:36.580 can you please tell everybody let's actually a tease is a promise as they say in the business

00:17:41.580 let's keep our promise uh president trump i am pleased to announce i am nominated doctors i am

00:17:48.880 nominating dr sapphire to be the next surgeon general of the united states of america uh and

00:17:56.100 he says she's an incredible communicator who makes complicated health issues more easily understood

00:18:01.160 by all americans she'll do great things for our country and help help make america healthy again 0.52

00:18:06.940 congrats nicole our country has long been waiting for you uh she is also now in the clay and buck

00:18:14.640 podcast network so this is the second person to leave the clay and buck podcast network among

00:18:20.980 other things she is a doctor but uh to now we first sean parnell joined the pentagon and he

00:18:27.160 is the chief spokesperson for uh pete hegseth and now nicole sapphire is going to be the surgeon

00:18:32.920 general so you're stepping from the clay and buck podcast network into high levels of government

00:18:38.400 jobs she's obviously on fox news and as well as a doctor we've had nicole on the program quite a bit

00:18:43.480 over the years she's great but congratulations to her um this reminds me of what i did you've

00:18:50.960 known pete for a long time uh but i did election night from kid rock with pete hegseth and then i

00:18:58.380 didn't even know i was driving in the car pickup line for my kids and i wasn't even sure when they

00:19:04.080 were like hey what do you think about having the new secretary of defense nominee being a guy you've

00:19:09.800 done shows with and i was like did did bucket nominate like it could have been anybody right

00:19:13.660 like like you know uh but a lot of the people that you're on this program are obviously very

00:19:18.440 involved in government so congrats to dr sapphire can have i ever told you what is probably my

00:19:24.620 favorite pete hegseth story uh from the blaze days is it the drinking dirty water uh i did tell you

00:19:32.920 i did tell you yeah yeah but you should tell it again i mean i do think that's kind of indicative

00:19:36.960 of um of we don't be where we had we had a a survival gear sponsor who made a this was and

00:19:46.680 i'm gonna be clear this was in midtown manhattan folks okay we had a survival gear sponsor at the

00:19:51.900 blaze who made some kind of a like i don't we're going back this is almost 15 years ago okay it's

00:19:58.580 been a long time and for 13 14 years ago at least and and it was like you can be at a muddy stream

00:20:05.860 or pond or whatever and you run the water through this contraption and it is safe to drink that was

00:20:13.520 basically the thing and i think it was will will cane now fox news's 4 p.m host was my co-host on

00:20:22.360 real news uh there were a few of us we had a we was a roundtable so there were four plus a rotating

00:20:27.560 guest uh rotating contributor and pete hegseth was the was in that rotation so he was the host for

00:20:33.760 the day and i remember i i think will it's like a very will cane thing to just be like you know i

00:20:40.580 don't think i don't think you're willing to really you know he kind of like goaded goaded him

00:20:44.620 pete on this one a little bit uh and you know they're very you know they hosted fox and friends

00:20:48.840 together for years so they're they're very tight they're very good buddies but this was years and

00:20:53.460 years ago he's like i don't think you'll do it and to his credit and i i'm gonna tell you that

00:20:58.100 this is true i actually kind of left him like pete don't don't do this i was like i was like

00:21:03.100 actually a little worried i think this surprises none of you that will is like come on step up

00:21:07.700 let's see what you got and pete now our secretary of war went to a you know those like oil slick

00:21:16.580 kind of puddles on the side of a new york city sidewalk where the water is this kind of brown

00:21:23.760 translucent sludge whatever i kid you not he scooped that up into the contraption put it through

00:21:32.640 and chugged it i was just i was amazed by the way he was fine so it was actually we should have

00:21:39.460 videoed it because it was a great ad but that was one of the ballsier things i'd see in anybody who

00:21:44.060 was a tpo at the time oh of course he turned to me clay what do you think do you think i was like

00:21:48.660 oh yeah i'll try it now zero percent you are willing to do that zero percent you guys think

00:21:55.400 captain get off my lawn was gonna try the dirty water zero chance i was like only only fiji in

00:22:01.360 the bottle for me sir so anyway but that's one of my favorite pete stories you have to take your

00:22:07.180 monocle off to uh to be absolutely i was like that's like that's like the water for the peasants

00:22:13.380 out of the street i think not so um all right now let's get you i just kind of a fun fun little

00:22:18.940 memory lane thing there it's amazing with that show a lot of people who went on and did did

00:22:24.140 great things and yeah it's second for future secretary of defense secretary i do i'm very

00:22:29.180 confident they're going to change the name back if it's a democratic whenever there is a democrat

00:22:33.000 administration they're not going to keep the secretary of war thing just so you guys will i

00:22:35.940 mean you know so that's i don't know how we're going to handle this now we're going to go back

00:22:39.720 and forth different administrations having anyway um let's talk supreme court tps for a second here

00:22:45.340 clay i thought this was really interesting one of the ways that one of the ways that the whole

00:22:54.840 DEI affirmative action thing falls apart there are many ways inherently in principle it's just

00:23:00.480 wrong but one of the ways it falls apart is when you start to dig into what well what are the

00:23:04.400 classifications really for example if you're going to discriminate against white people which is what

00:23:11.420 DEI and affirmative action do who qualifies as white this is I had a friend many years ago

00:23:18.880 who was an Arab-Egyptian born in Cairo

00:23:23.280 who claimed that she was African 0.73

00:23:26.240 for the purposes of her college.

00:23:28.260 African, not African-American,

00:23:30.520 African for the purposes of her college admissions.

00:23:33.540 And it was a huge scandal, 0.98

00:23:35.440 and I think they accepted it,

00:23:37.320 and then it was a big problem.

00:23:39.080 And she's like, okay, so I'm from Africa,

00:23:41.980 literally born and raised there,

00:23:44.400 but I think she had applied to Harvard,

00:23:46.060 but you don't accept that.

00:23:47.460 so it's a skin color test is that is that what actually and this is where it all

00:23:51.660 listen to this isn't just a theoretical the supreme court today talking about

00:23:56.060 haitian and syrian temporary protected status individuals notice the temporary word in there

00:24:04.580 they're fighting this no no no you can they've been had they've had this for years and years

00:24:08.820 and years i'm at it it's not like they've been here for two weeks notice the way that alito

00:24:14.440 pushes one of the

00:24:16.840 plaintiffs in the case

00:24:18.600 the lawyer

00:24:20.580 what's the guy

00:24:21.300 complainant

00:24:22.860 use the legal things

00:24:24.500 typically would be

00:24:28.780 they're suing so I don't know

00:24:30.900 what the official title would be

00:24:32.660 in front of the Supreme Court but

00:24:34.460 he's the advocate for the

00:24:36.420 perspective of the

00:24:38.420 attorney for the plaintiff

00:24:40.460 so listen to this

00:24:42.620 though what is white alito asks like like i've really listened to this play one isn't it the

00:24:47.240 case that tps was terminated for quite a list of countries i i i can't seem to find the particular

00:24:54.380 page of the transcript where the district court goes through them all and um yes none of those

00:25:02.020 is a nordic country but and i don't like dividing up the people of the world arbitrarily into three

00:25:07.680 racial groups but you you say they're all non-white and that's the that's the distinguishing

00:25:12.880 characteristic that is the distinguishing characteristic that the district court held

00:25:16.800 but i would i would emphasize justice alito do you think that if you put syrians turks greeks

00:25:26.080 and other people who live around the mediterranean in a lineup do you think you could

00:25:31.360 Say those people are all of them. 0.99

00:25:35.760 Are they all non-white? 0.75

00:25:37.320 I understand that Syrians, I think, may be classified as white for purposes of the State Department or for under under certain government, you know, certain government programs. 0.76

00:25:48.060 But again, I think race is I think, you know, you'd have to pull the public to know what they think the race of a Syrian is.

00:25:55.620 I certainly think they're not white.

00:25:57.080 clay he obviously starts you know jabbering on here he has no i actually want i just want this

00:26:06.020 to continue because this is alito asking a very fair question your contention people suing is

00:26:12.360 oh it's so racist because they don't want any of the they're not uh you know it's only white people

00:26:18.640 that are okay but aren't there white people in these countries that i mean and when i say it's

00:26:24.840 not like there's a few aren't there people in some of these countries that are white that that

00:26:29.320 you know maybe even the majority of or a large percentage of part two of this supreme court

00:26:33.620 argument play this one hold the american people uh well do they do they think syrians are white

00:26:38.940 i i wouldn't think that most would justice alito really i really don't how about turks

00:26:44.460 i honestly haven't considered what racial component i would sort turks and how about greeks

00:26:49.280 i i don't know the answer to that either how about southern italians

00:26:53.060 Well, certainly 120 years ago when we had our last wave of European immigration, Southern Italians were not considered white.

00:27:02.480 So I think our concept of these things evolves over time.

00:27:05.400 How about Spaniards? 0.77

00:27:06.660 I think same answer.

00:27:07.680 About 120 years ago, I don't think they were considered white.

00:27:09.980 You have a really large, really broad definition of who's white and who's not white.

00:27:14.960 As I said, I don't like dividing the people of the world into these groups. 0.55

00:27:18.420 I understand. 0.56

00:27:18.900 I would say that even under this court's rationality jurisprudence, if you look at cases like Moreno, it is not necessary for us to get strict scrutiny to win here because irrespective of how you put this aside, because this is about the race thing. Clay, I've been to Greece. I mean, I've been to Athens. I've been to Madrid. If you walked around and you told your I mean, I know there are also black people in these countries, of course.

00:27:42.040 But what you think of as your average Greek or your average Madrieno guy lives in Madrid, 0.99

00:27:48.380 and you're like, you're not white, they would laugh in your face. 0.84

00:27:51.340 They'd be like, what are you talking about? 0.80

00:27:54.020 I mean, that line of questioning is so, so, I think, indicative of the racial spoils system

00:28:02.500 that Democrats have created and just kind of hoisting them on their proverbial petard

00:28:08.240 by going through.

00:28:09.580 i mean look it's like the drop of blood makes you black theory back in the day

00:28:14.620 right um in uh in in the south through the pre-civil war era democrats have allowed identity

00:28:23.280 politics to so take over their party that they have no way to escape this is why kamala has to

00:28:31.200 be the nominee to me buck this is in 28 not only in 24 because certainly that's why she was the 1.00

00:28:36.680 nominee in 24 the racial spoil system that they have created does not allow a black woman like 1.00

00:28:43.840 obama like kamala to be left behind from being the nominee she's going to play the race and gender

00:28:52.020 card to such an extent that i i don't think there's any way democrats are going to be able 1.00

00:28:56.740 to get past her i really don't buck and i saw i was joking with you off air because the poly market

00:29:03.100 for who's going to be the nominee.

00:29:05.840 Kamala has quadrupled in the last couple of months 1.00

00:29:10.200 her odds to be the nominee.

00:29:12.980 And I'm not saying...

00:29:14.820 Look, whenever I give a prediction like this,

00:29:16.720 I'm not saying I want it to happen.

00:29:17.920 Do you know what depth charges are?

00:29:18.800 Are you familiar with depth charges, you know,

00:29:20.860 when they would try to get submarines and drop it down?

00:29:24.200 I feel like you're depth-charging Buck Island right now.

00:29:26.800 Like, we're already deep underwater,

00:29:28.660 and you're dropping them way down and just boom, boom, you know?

00:29:33.100 I'm telling you, she is going to play.

00:29:37.340 But I mean, the step beyond, she's definitely going to run.

00:29:39.940 But she is going to be the nominee.

00:29:42.580 And some of you out there are shaking your heads and you think I'm crazy.

00:29:46.080 I'm telling you, she's going to be the nominee.

00:29:48.440 Can we come back to this point, though, then, on this?

00:29:51.260 Yeah. 0.89

00:29:52.700 Will she be formidable if she's the nominee?

00:29:54.680 Like, do we have to worry about this? 1.00

00:29:58.380 There's an early tease.

00:30:00.180 An early tease in the business.

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00:31:14.020 Sometimes here we talk about New York as having perhaps the worst mayor in the country for any large city, our largest city.

00:31:23.940 We don't talk as much these days.

00:31:26.580 as we were before discussing, that it also has the state of New York,

00:31:30.740 unfortunately, my home state, and I will always be a New Yorker,

00:31:34.060 just a very happy Floridian now New Yorker in exile,

00:31:39.440 but it also has one of the worst attorney generals in the country,

00:31:43.080 somebody who has completely undermined the rule of law 1.00

00:31:47.580 by openly weaponizing her powers as attorney general, Letitia James, 1.00

00:31:52.160 to go after Donald Trump.

00:31:54.060 we talked about this a lot during that that persecution the absurdity of it but there's

00:31:59.900 somebody who's trying to do something about it as well saritha commenter ready is running for

00:32:06.420 new york attorney general she is the republican nominee for that post and she joins us now saritha

00:32:13.620 thank you for making the time for us thank you so much it's great to be here what has other than

00:32:20.640 openly saying i want to get elected so i can go after donald trump and then bringing a farcical

00:32:28.060 civil case against donald trump pretending that mar-a-lago was worth 18 million dollars which

00:32:32.780 anybody who spent three minutes in palm beach knows is preposterous all this stuff what has

00:32:38.500 she done in addition to that or other than that which we know has been a disaster the attorney

00:32:44.140 general of new york so far has been up to what well what has she done she's failed to keep new

00:32:50.940 yorkers safe i mean you see the headlines i'm sure just like i do i experience them living in new york

00:32:56.880 city there's random violence there's increased homelessness on the streets there's people feel

00:33:03.280 ripped off every day because we don't know where our taxpayer money is going we don't know why we

00:33:08.040 pay for things where other when other people seem to not to pay at all uh and it's there's a sense

00:33:14.360 of lawlessness in new york and it's exactly for the reasons that you pointed out because our current

00:33:19.980 attorney general letitia james sent all of the resources of that office to pursue partisan 0.99

00:33:26.700 vendettas instead of doing what a state attorney general should do keep its the citizens safe and

00:33:33.920 that's exactly why new york is in the shape that it's in right now i want to get to the ag situation

00:33:41.160 i'm also a little bit of a legal nerd so thank you for throwing your your name in the uh in the

00:33:47.540 race here and being willing to deal with the slings and arrows but i wanted to ask you i

00:33:52.420 believe you were on the dc circuit and clerked for brett kavanaugh uh at least that's what uh

00:33:58.780 the resume i read said what was judge kavanaugh like and what was that experience like for you

00:34:05.580 well judge kavanaugh now justice kavanaugh was uh just is a phenomenal judge is the hardest

00:34:13.640 working person uh that i know a very decent man someone i consider a mentor and a friend

00:34:19.260 and someone who really is a big supporter of all of his clerks and especially his female clerks

00:34:25.880 I often tell people the first opinion that I helped Justice Kavanaugh with was an opinion that we went through more than 100 drafts because he cares so much about getting the law right, making sure that the law also impacts people in the right way.

00:34:45.920 You know, he's not someone who's stuck in the ivory tower.

00:34:49.040 He really thinks about how does the law interact with people's everyday lives and is the decision that he's coming to consistent with the law itself, respectful of the separation of powers, consistent with the text of the law.

00:35:02.400 And does it make sense in how it fits in with people's everyday lives?

00:35:07.280 So what are you going to do differently if you become the attorney general of the state of New York?

00:35:13.100 Because a lot of people think of, you mentioned living in New York City, which I did for almost 40 years or so.

00:35:20.280 There's crime on the streets there.

00:35:21.620 People say, well, that's an NYPD thing, and that's a local thing.

00:35:24.280 How does the Attorney General for New York play into making not just people in New York City, but people safe across the state more broadly?

00:35:32.020 What kind of priorities are set?

00:35:33.680 Take us into that.

00:35:35.820 Yeah, I mean, listen, the Attorney General can prosecute crime. 1.00

00:35:39.120 You wouldn't know it because she doesn't really use those powers.

00:35:41.920 But there's a number of areas where the attorney general can prosecute crime on her own or with the signature of the governor or any state agency head.

00:35:50.440 And the issue right now in New York is that we don't have strong prosecutors and we don't have strong prosecution policies and laws.

00:35:58.340 We had this sea change in 2019 and 2020 where this anti-law enforcement wave came into the state.

00:36:06.180 And so even though for many years we did prosecute crime well, we did keep the numbers low.

00:36:11.920 We now have a phenomenon in New York where every day you hear about someone getting hurt and the person that's hurting them is a repeat offender, already known to law enforcement, already arrested.

00:36:23.700 But because of our broken system, that person is back out on the street.

00:36:28.280 And to be fair, it's not the police's fault.

00:36:30.820 We have the best police force in the world.

00:36:33.600 They're real professionals.

00:36:35.300 But the police can't do it alone.

00:36:36.680 They need prosecutors to back them up and to follow through on the cases and actually make sure real consequences are imposed on the people that they catch.

00:36:45.860 And that is where we're lacking in New York.

00:36:48.480 So I'm going to use the Office of the Attorney General to make sure we actually prosecute crime.

00:36:53.920 You know, we have a DA in Manhattan who issued a memo on day one saying, I'm not going to prosecute these 15 offenses or I'm going to treat them with leniency.

00:37:04.480 I'm going to knock down the charges.

00:37:06.680 Well, the attorney general can step in and say, actually, then I'm going to prosecute those things.

00:37:11.860 A great example of this is subway crime.

00:37:14.760 The DAs in New York City don't prosecute fare evasion.

00:37:18.720 Even though the city and the state are losing millions of dollars a year and don't know how to make ends meet with their budget,

00:37:25.660 they don't actually make many people, a huge fraction of people pay the fare.

00:37:31.140 But it's not just about the money.

00:37:32.900 That's one part of it. 0.93

00:37:33.660 the bigger problem is we now have people in the subways who are either mentally ill or who are 0.87

00:37:41.100 actual violent criminals hurting others. And that's a problem. Those kinds of people should

00:37:46.140 never be in the subway. Every day, New Yorkers have to take the subway. They go to work and go

00:37:50.500 to school and see their families. They shouldn't be afraid of being pushed on the tracks, for

00:37:55.420 example. But that's exactly what people are afraid of. You go into the subway today and everyone's

00:37:59.620 got their back to the wall because you know what in 2026 so far nine people have been pushed on

00:38:05.360 the tracks and the last person who was pushed on the tracks was an elderly fellow an 83 year old

00:38:10.160 gentleman air force veteran pushed by someone who had 15 prior offenses so this is the kind of

00:38:18.460 lawlessness that we're seeing and it's preventable because the attorney general as attorney general

00:38:22.380 on day one i will create a transit crime strike force i'll make sure we prosecute fair evasion

00:38:27.960 so that dangerous people are stopped at the gates, aren't let in to the subway system at all.

00:38:33.620 And I'll make sure we ban people like that, repeat offenders, violent offenders,

00:38:37.080 from the subway system altogether.

00:38:39.180 We're speaking to Siripa.

00:38:40.380 Sorry.

00:38:40.860 So I was just going to say, how does a Republican win in New York?

00:38:44.100 What's the math?

00:38:45.720 Well, it's simple.

00:38:46.740 You know, it's a very divided time in New York.

00:38:51.560 You wouldn't necessarily know it from the outside, but when you live here, it's very simple.

00:38:56.160 most people in new york are not actually on the far left we have a democratic party that's law

00:39:04.080 all the way to the extremes and there's a lot of folks in the middle who are looking for common

00:39:10.960 sense and what we're talking about bringing back law and order enforcing the laws doing so in a way

00:39:18.000 that's ethical and lawful but enforcing the laws those are things that most new yorkers agree on

00:39:24.020 and most Americans agree on.

00:39:25.540 They want you to enforce the laws.

00:39:27.200 They want you to reduce crime, reduce homelessness, reduce fraud.

00:39:30.720 They're not actually partisan issues, and we're going to win because of that.

00:39:36.100 So I've seen a poll that shows 54%.

00:39:40.360 This is a recent poll, by the way, Siena poll.

00:39:43.400 54% of voters are open to a different attorney general

00:39:48.360 than the one that they have right now,

00:39:50.120 which seems to line up with a lot of New Yorkers aren't crazy, it turns out.

00:39:56.080 Well, that's exactly right.

00:39:58.360 Fifty-four percent of New Yorkers either actively prefer someone other than Letitia James

00:40:03.640 or are open to someone else. 0.97

00:40:05.800 That is, she is the weakest incumbent in New York State. 1.00

00:40:09.120 She's less popular than the governor. 0.88

00:40:11.360 That, you just answered the question of exactly why it's winnable.

00:40:14.260 so you're just you know you're on wor a massive station in uh new york city right now you're on

00:40:20.980 wgy and all but i mean i can't name we got stations all over the state of new york which

00:40:25.200 is fine we're hurt out in long island on on the wor and uh so that's good i'm curious though

00:40:31.080 are you getting any any uh fair attention any fair time from the rest of the new by the way

00:40:38.120 letitia james absolutely welcome to come on this program team make sure we have that i know i think

00:40:43.500 we already did have it out but let's sure we we have that invite out to her she is welcome 0.64

00:40:47.080 to come and talk to us about why she hasn't been the worst attorney general in the history of

00:40:52.660 new york state well although spitzer was kind of bad um how is the new york media treating you are

00:40:58.060 you getting a fair shot at all from them uh who's putting your because i feel like we just got to

00:41:02.540 get your name out there more leticia james is terrible she's honestly just terrible i can say

00:41:06.960 i can say whatever i want it's opinion show she's awful well listen i i i appreciate that

00:41:13.320 question we are making our way around the state we're getting a lot of uh we were getting a lot

00:41:17.620 of attention i was in albany yesterday i had a press conference uh talking about exactly what

00:41:22.220 we were just discussing transit crime and and i was standing alongside alongside legislators in

00:41:27.940 albany who are proposing uh enhanced penalties for those crimes i was in buffalo a few weeks ago

00:41:34.100 at a holding a press conference there and you know local uh tv radio has had me on there

00:41:40.780 including a number of different shows you know channel two sports talk radio so we are we are

00:41:48.040 making our way around and the most important thing that i would say you know given the statewide

00:41:52.080 reach is you know you would be surprised the issues that i talk about you know the repeat

00:41:57.340 offenders out on the streets the increase in drug deaths the uh issue of homelessness they're not

00:42:03.080 just city issues these are issues that every county in new york state is experiencing and i

00:42:08.740 know that because i am going county by county and holding law enforcement roundtables i just had

00:42:13.640 another one this morning in green county where i sit down with the sheriffs and the police and the

00:42:17.920 and i say hey what is going on what are you seeing what are you hearing and it is always some version

00:42:24.180 of these the same story there are no consequences anymore new york and law-abiding people know it

00:42:30.420 and they're getting frustrated and the criminals know it and they are committing more crime because

00:42:35.260 that's what happens when there's no consequences these are solvable problems we're going to solve

00:42:39.840 them together because we're going to put together a common sense coalition across the political

00:42:44.080 spectrum to bring change to new york saritha where can folks go in the state of new york if they want

00:42:49.780 to help out get involved on my website saritha s-a-r-i-t-h-a for new york all spelled out

00:42:58.080 dot com there's a form on there there's more information you'll see my recent media appearance

00:43:02.340 as well as well good luck it'd be nice to have some law and order back in the empire state i'm

00:43:08.020 always rooting for new york from afar from florida with my zero state income tax but good luck to you

00:43:13.380 thank you so much aretha comment already appreciate you thank you very much look yesterday king charles

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00:45:41.720 welcome back in hour number three clay travis buck sexton show a couple little news stories

00:45:48.640 out there uh your s&p 500 as a result your 401k surging the s&p 500 just has hit an all-time

00:45:57.920 record high today again going through 7200 the dow close to another record high as well surging

00:46:06.840 up around 800 points right now nearly to 50 000 and the nasdaq up as well um to near record highs

00:46:16.380 so your 401ks are doing better than they ever have before and uh that is a sign as we come

00:46:22.760 into the summer that things are going to be going very well i think economically we bring in now

00:46:28.080 a guy who has done a flawless job of turning the state of florida into among the hottest not just

00:46:35.080 temperature-wise, states in the entire country. We'll get to a bunch of different questions with

00:46:41.240 you, Governor DeSantis, but let's start with this. The new map, have you officially signed it? I know

00:46:46.860 the Florida House and Senate have passed it. What is the latest with the map that you have put

00:46:52.180 forward in the wake of also the Supreme Court decision that came down earlier this week? What

00:46:57.620 can you tell us? Well, they're going to send it to me probably momentarily, and then I'll sign it

00:47:03.400 When we're in receipt of it, we're not in receipt of it yet, but, yeah, we will do it.

00:47:06.900 And, you know, the thing about this is we've been dealing with this redistricting for years.

00:47:11.960 I vetoed the legislature's map in 22 because they included a racial gerrymander in North Florida, 0.97

00:47:19.080 and I was right on that constitutionally. 0.99

00:47:22.480 The map was obviously much better, but we still had this lingering racial gerrymander in South Florida. 0.81

00:47:28.860 It had these crab claws. 0.85

00:47:30.180 I mean, it was kind of ridiculous. 0.68

00:47:31.100 And I called this special session many months ago. I announced last year we were going to do it because I saw what the Supreme Court was going to do. And I predicted, I said, districts like that will not be allowed. And so we're going to address it. We don't want to run an election with an unconstitutional district. And oh, the carping, oh, what's he think he's doing all this stuff.

00:47:49.820 And literally, the day these guys were dealing with this in the legislature, the Calais decision dropped and vindicated our plan in terms of how we're going to do it.

00:48:01.080 And so the map that we have now is constitutionally sound.

00:48:04.320 It's also very visually appealing.

00:48:06.800 Compare Florida's new map to Virginia, which has all these snake districts and lobster districts and all this stuff.

00:48:13.300 You know, ours are compact districts that represent a growing state and does it very well.

00:48:19.820 Governor Sanders, great to have you here.

00:48:21.740 One of the, as a new Floridian, a relatively new, now I feel like an old salty dog.

00:48:26.460 Like, I'm going around, I might as well have an airboat, a pet alligator, you know, the whole thing.

00:48:31.800 Like, I'm really, I've taken to this place.

00:48:34.140 I love it down here.

00:48:35.580 But I did want to ask you, you've had so much influx into this state,

00:48:40.660 and I think this is going to apply, this applies also to places like Texas, Tennessee,

00:48:44.160 other well-run red states that are seeing people that have had enough from the democrat states

00:48:50.700 mostly new york and california but other places too how is the influx doing people say here

00:48:56.060 oh the housing prices are high and i say to them yeah because people want to live here they say oh

00:49:00.760 well the insurance rates are out of control and i say okay well that's something we got to handle

00:49:04.580 what are the ways that you're handling the influx right it's it's a good thing to be popular florida

00:49:10.040 is very popular right now but that does come with some challenges well one uh i'm not a governor

00:49:15.960 that's begging people to move to the state i've never had people are doing it because it's a free

00:49:20.300 country and they're trying to go to greener pastures to the political fallout of this a lot

00:49:25.640 of our folks were very worried early in my tenure when florida was a 50 50 state you start seeing

00:49:31.860 california license plates showing up in florida it's like well do we want to import berkeley here

00:49:37.140 and turn the state blue? Obviously not. But here's what's happened with that. If you take all 49

00:49:42.840 other states and look individually at who's moved to Florida since I've been governor,

00:49:47.780 there have been more Republicans than Democrats for all 49 states individually. Vermont,

00:49:53.980 California, you name it. And so it really has been people that are coming largely, I think,

00:49:59.880 because they want to do it. Now, look, on the housing, housing has gone up everywhere since

00:50:04.040 COVID. I think on the high end in Florida, it's gone up astronomical because people are paying

00:50:08.940 huge amounts of money to be able to live here. Government should not be trying to impact that

00:50:16.020 market. I think when we do that, it doesn't work. I think they're doing a housing bill in the U.S.

00:50:20.720 Senate now, which I think was Elizabeth Warren, will be a disaster. So these things ebb and flow

00:50:25.020 on the insurance. We just announced citizens, our chair of last resort, is actually reducing

00:50:31.540 premiums by up to 15 percent in southern florida which we have never seen that happen and we've had

00:50:37.720 about 15 new companies come in since we did our insurance reforms about a year and a half ago and

00:50:43.800 you're seeing stability and even reductions there it's also spilled over into auto insurance we've

00:50:49.180 had the biggest reductions in auto insurance rates over the last year in the history of the state and

00:50:53.900 it's not going down in very many states given the environment that we're in but at the end of the

00:50:59.280 day, there's positives when people come, but there's also challenges. And I know a lot of my

00:51:04.420 folks that I've known a long time, you know, they kind of take pride that people want to be in

00:51:08.540 Florida, but they're also like, you know, can we have a little bit of a break from some of the

00:51:12.780 stuff? I just did a groundbreaking in Ormond Beach up by Daytona. We, what we saw when we saw the,

00:51:20.160 we plowed billions of dollars into accelerating road projects. So I have projects that weren't

00:51:25.500 even slated to start until next decade are now being done you know five ten fifteen years ahead

00:51:31.560 of schedule and we have big surplus big rainy day fund so we have the capacity to do it and to try

00:51:37.600 to get ahead of it to try to help with people's quality of life i gotta ask you also governor

00:51:42.300 about the uh property tax situation here there's all as you know a lot of coverage of this i know

00:51:49.580 you've talked about it before i think we even spoke to you about it maybe six months ago can

00:51:53.200 Can you give us an update on where this stands for – because I also think this could be a model for other states as well.

00:51:59.940 And the more success Florida has being a low-tax and well-run state, the more of a model it is for other places where people want to be sane and see growth and see things working the way that they should.

00:52:12.380 Where are things right now on the homesteaded properties as it pertains to property tax?

00:52:20.100 So the soonest it can be done is the November general election when Florida voters have to vote to make this change in our Constitution by 60 percent.

00:52:29.200 And so we've said that all along. We're working with folks in the legislature about getting language approved that will go on.

00:52:37.520 I'm not prepared to do it yet because I don't think it's opportune to do it yet, but we will do it.

00:52:41.980 And so it will be done before the summer's out in time to be on the ballot.

00:52:46.840 And the ultimate goal, of course, is your homesteaded property would be exempt from property tax.

00:52:52.840 How can you do that? You're not going to have police. You're not going to have any of this.

00:52:56.040 Well, listen to this. 2019, when I became governor, all this revenue is local.

00:53:00.920 None of this goes to the state on property tax in Florida.

00:53:03.180 But local governments in 2019 brought in $32 billion in property tax revenue.

00:53:09.020 Today, that's $60 billion going to local governments.

00:53:14.220 Now, did we not have police or any of this in 2019 when it was $32 billion?

00:53:19.680 And yes, we've had population growth.

00:53:21.680 Yes, we've had inflation.

00:53:23.180 Heck, throw in a few percent a year just for the heck of it.

00:53:26.100 You still would not be at $60 billion.

00:53:28.320 And so what they're doing is, because Florida's property values have gone up, because people are buying homes at higher tax bases, they're raising the valuations, and they're getting a windfall.

00:53:39.880 I would rather the windfall go to you as the homeowner.

00:53:43.500 I would rather you be able to actually own your own home, and so I think the – so it's going to get done, and even the people that, like, privately don't want to do anything on this, they know they have to do it.

00:53:56.920 Otherwise, they're not going to be able to do well in the election, so it'll get done.

00:54:00.140 But I think a couple of the issues that we've got to make sure we get right, you know, one is do you – how quickly can you get to full exemption?

00:54:08.380 Maybe you've got to phase it in.

00:54:09.760 Look, that's fine.

00:54:10.420 I mean I want to get it done.

00:54:11.340 And then if people just decide to up and move here after it passes, should they then have to pay property tax for a time before they can qualify?

00:54:19.560 I mean, if you've been here 20 years, you've paid, someone comes in right after the vote and does it.

00:54:24.620 So we don't want to create bad incentives for that.

00:54:26.780 And then I've already said we will provide out of our surplus some financial support for the locals to get through this transition period.

00:54:36.320 But the homestead revenue is about 30 percent of property tax revenue statewide.

00:54:42.220 So they'd still be able to tax the Airbnbs if some rich guy from Columbia buys a mansion in Coconut Grove.

00:54:50.160 You still tax it, the Canadians, the commercial properties, all that stuff.

00:54:55.100 And what will happen is that that revenue is going to continue to grow like it's grown anyways.

00:54:59.440 So you're basically limiting local government's ability to expand, which I think that's something that we should want to do, even apart from the tax, just as people that believe in limited government.

00:55:10.080 I think it's going to be very popular, but I think the entrenched interests are going to hate it, and I think they're going to do everything they can do to fight it.

00:55:18.980 Who hates it?

00:55:20.280 Sorry, but who hates it?

00:55:21.860 You're talking about the entrenched.

00:55:22.460 Who's opposing this, really?

00:55:23.580 I'm just curious.

00:55:24.740 Teacher unions.

00:55:26.200 Yeah.

00:55:26.460 Local politicians, local bureaucrats.

00:55:29.880 I mean, honestly, even group business groups, I think, because they like the predictability of what they have now.

00:55:36.880 Politicians in both parties even to a certain extent.

00:55:40.960 California actually did good property tax reform in 1978.

00:55:45.760 It was Prop 13.

00:55:47.280 It was a big tax revolt, and all the stakeholders were against it.

00:55:51.200 The people passed it overwhelmingly.

00:55:52.680 So just be prepared when this gets approved to be on the ballot later in the summer.

00:55:59.240 You are going to hear people say that we're no longer going to have police.

00:56:03.460 We're no longer going to have schools.

00:56:04.900 That is what they are going to say.

00:56:07.160 And then all you've got to say is, well, wait a minute.

00:56:09.280 Why did we go from $32 billion to $60 billion in seven years?

00:56:13.640 Do we have twice as many police and schools and all this other stuff?

00:56:17.660 Of course we don't.

00:56:18.680 They're growing government, and they're using that money as a windfall.

00:56:22.680 you've been one of the best most successful governors anytime anywhere um gavin newsom's

00:56:29.740 been one of the worst anytime anywhere uh i know i believe the father-in-law moved uh of gavin

00:56:37.220 newsom moved to florida if i'm not mistaken does a part of you want to really get to run

00:56:42.140 in some way against gavin newsom we know you smoked him in that debate on sean hannity's show

00:56:47.900 but it feels like to me you guys both represent very well the Republican versus the Democrat

00:56:55.140 perspective he's wrong on everything I think you're pretty much right on everything would

00:57:00.060 you like to run against him would you like for the nation to have an opportunity to hear both

00:57:03.980 those arguments so it's funny about his father-in-law because I didn't know his father-in-law

00:57:09.900 until this is a few years ago I'm doing a dinner down in southwest Florida you know people are

00:57:15.800 going around the table and there's probably like 25 people oh you know i'm so and so thanks governor

00:57:20.700 for this and i knew some of the people i didn't know all of them well gets around the table

00:57:24.440 and this nice gentleman says you know governor i just want to let you know we moved from california

00:57:28.600 my wife and i uh we were we love florida what you're doing we couldn't take it in california

00:57:33.860 anymore and we're so glad to be here best decision right which was nice to hear but i mean honestly

00:57:38.260 i've heard that before and then he paused and then he looked up and he said oh and by the way

00:57:43.320 I'm Gavin Newsom's father-in-law. And the whole place just erupted. Everyone just starts laughing.

00:57:49.120 And it's like, yeah, I mean, I'm at a fundraising dinner for my reelection and I've got the governor of California's father-in-law, you know, donating money and being happy to be there.

00:57:58.960 So, look, I think that the issue between Florida and California is emblematic of a debate.

00:58:05.400 We're probably going to have to have in a little bit more sharp way as we go forward because the left, they view California as the ideal.

00:58:16.940 They don't think California screwed up.

00:58:19.540 They aim to be able to get to California, so they want to turn Virginia into California.

00:58:25.920 They want to turn Michigan into California.

00:58:28.200 They want to go in that direction.

00:58:29.860 So California is really five or ten years ahead of where the National Democratic Party is.

00:58:35.400 And I think Florida represents, you know, there were so many years where we had people, conservative voters are like, you know, don't squish out.

00:58:45.720 Don't we're sick of the establishment. Be strong. Do all this.

00:58:48.800 And there was a book. The establishment say you can't do that because if you do that, we can't win and the voters don't like it.

00:58:55.000 Well, I came in and basically in a very close election and I said, you know what, I'm bold.

00:58:59.900 I'm going to do it. Bold colors, not pale pastels. We're going to lead on all these issues.

00:59:04.080 And obviously, COVID and some of these things gave us an opportunity to lead.

00:59:07.940 But what we've proved is the thesis that conservatives have had, that when you are bold in a conservative direction, you will not only produce good policy results, and we've produced the best, but you will have big political results.

00:59:20.980 And I didn't do it for that reason.

00:59:22.840 But think about us having 300,000 more registered Democrats in 2018, and now we have 1.5 million more Republicans.

00:59:31.440 And so I do think we have a model that's shown that it can work nationwide.

00:59:37.400 Florida is a microcosm of the nation.

00:59:39.400 I mean, we are not a monolithic state.

00:59:41.380 You go to the panhandle, it's similar to Alabama and Louisiana, Mississippi.

00:59:46.860 You go to Miami, it's more similar to Latin America.

00:59:50.100 You go to Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, it's like New York South.

00:59:53.080 You go to Southwest Florida, it's the Midwest transported down there.

00:59:56.520 You go to Central Florida, it's a mix of everything.

00:59:58.480 And so we were able to do that with really diverse demographics and do it in a way that I think was more significant than anyone thought possible.

01:00:08.140 Last question for you. I saw you at the White House. You're working on NIL, which is fundamentally broken in college sports.

01:00:15.760 But also there's been reports that you might be involved in the Trump administration, given that you are term limited out.

01:00:21.900 You've been governor for eight years. What do you think the future holds in college sports and also for you?

01:00:28.480 Well, one, anytime I mention in reports, just understand that's gossip. I've never been approached to do anything and I've never asked to do anything because I've got a lot on my plate. So I would just tell you, take that with a grain of salt. On the college sports, I'm actually very optimistic. You go back six months ago, we had no momentum to do anything. There was no leadership. And I talked with President Trump about this at the end of last year. And he's like, I want to tackle it. He's like, will you help get some guys together?

01:00:55.460 So I brought Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Condi Rice, a bunch of these people. Randy Levine from the Yankees has brought a bunch of great people together. We did that big event at the White House, which really focused people's attention on it.

01:01:09.260 And I will tell you this. I don't want to get ahead of where Congress is going, but I will tell you for the first time, we actually have momentum in the U.S. Senate. These senators are working on all the key issues. And you guys know the issues. You probably need an antitrust exemption to make sure all this can stick and not have endless lawsuits.

01:01:28.580 You've got to have an eligibility framework.

01:01:31.300 People shouldn't be playing until they're 27.

01:01:34.160 You need to have transfer portal limitations, and you need to have NIL.

01:01:39.440 Be true NIL.

01:01:40.720 If someone wants to endorse you or something, fine, but not have these university collectives where it's like, oh, coach, I just threw for 300 yards.

01:01:48.040 Give me another million dollars.

01:01:49.280 Oh, okay, fine.

01:01:49.960 I'm going to leave.

01:01:50.620 That's unsustainable, and it's hurting all these other sports.

01:01:53.500 So those are kind of the key issues, and I know there's a bunch of others,

01:01:56.820 but if they just provided a framework to be able to get that done you will see a massive improvement

01:02:02.460 and and i do think there's been positive momentum and i do think it's possible uh that you get

01:02:08.260 legislation uh before uh the summer is over good stuff as always florida governor ron de santis we

01:02:15.160 appreciate the time keep killing it take care bye-bye rapid radios brain mental mugging with clay and buck

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