Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 7 2026

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00:00:04.360 Welcome in, everybody, to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:00:09.920 Much to discuss with all of you.

00:00:12.440 We have, of course, the deadline of 8 Eastern time tonight for Iran.

00:00:19.060 They either concede to the Trump administration demands or Trump will unleash hell.

00:00:27.020 In fact, what he has said more specifically is he is going to, well, go after them in a very big way, including civilian infrastructure, things like power.

00:00:41.680 So he is turning up the heat considerably for the regime to open the strait and concede to demands about the nuclear program.

00:00:50.700 We will discuss that, of course, today, get into some of those details.

00:00:54.180 J.D. Vance in Hungary, a place that has gotten a lot of attention in conservative circles for years now because it is a country, under the Orban government at least, that had taken on some particularly social conservative policies in the past.

00:01:11.260 We'll have some highlights of what J.D. said there.

00:01:15.700 And we've also got some updates on the Artemis II program,

00:01:19.880 talking about the spaceship, or we call it a shuttle, I guess, a ship.

00:01:24.980 It's both, really.

00:01:26.140 Yeah, either one works.

00:01:27.360 It's a ship.

00:01:28.000 It's not a UFO.

00:01:28.980 It's a spaceship.

00:01:29.700 It's a shuttle.

00:01:30.480 That works.

00:01:31.300 We'll talk about Artemis II, what that means,

00:01:33.700 and the future of space exploration and space commercialization.

00:01:38.720 But something that I just wanted to throw into the mix,

00:01:41.260 yesterday trump revealed we didn't get to this this is cut six clay before we talk about where

00:01:48.480 this is all going with iran i feel like we're all the whole world in a sense is waiting to see

00:01:52.960 what happens with this negotiation there's a there's a big red line that trump has drawn here

00:01:59.280 but in advance of that something we didn't get to yesterday we wanted to this cut six trump

00:02:04.080 said that kim jong-un had a very particular word that he used for joe biden this is cut six listen

00:02:12.740 to this to protect them from north korea we have 45 000 soldiers in south korea to protect us from 0.54

00:02:21.000 kim jong-un who i get along with very well as you know do you notice he said very nice things about

00:02:26.060 me he used to call uh joe biden a mentally retarded person okay so don't tell me about 0.91

00:02:32.160 your stuff Joe Biden he said he's a mentally retarded person he was so nasty to Joe Biden 0.87

00:02:38.000 it was terrible but to me he likes Trump and you notice how nice things are with North Korea it's 0.97

00:02:43.660 very nice Clay so put aside what one thinks of uh Kim Jong-un saying this about Biden I would say

00:02:52.320 this most people that I speak to and that I see weighing in on this Iran war they really are just

00:02:59.540 their faith is in trump to bring it across the finish line and end this thing before there's a

00:03:05.240 lot of uh downside that we feel in this country and and our allies feel a lot more than what we've

00:03:12.320 already uh witnessed for sure and it's worth noting that joe biden was the commander-in-chief

00:03:17.840 at least technically for four years somebody not of sound mind and completely incapable and not

00:03:25.020 even intelligent particularly at all before his dementia set in so i think this is one way of

00:03:31.140 saying you can trust in trump on this one uh and see how he brings this thing through yeah look

00:03:37.960 first of all i didn't think they would have the gall anyone to say oh we've got a 25th amendment

00:03:44.200 him now after for four years they let joe biden bumble and stumble his way around and were even

00:03:50.200 willing to accede to his ability to run for re-election, which is even crazier.

00:03:57.620 Look, Trump is bombastic.

00:04:00.220 He is often outrageous in many of his public pronouncements on social media.

00:04:07.180 I thought we were past the point, Buck, of people losing their minds over Trump's social media posts,

00:04:14.580 but evidently we are not.

00:04:16.100 And so he threatened and has set an 8 p.m. deadline.

00:04:21.940 And as part of that deadline, he is basically threatened to end the civilization of Iran. 0.90

00:04:28.040 This is what I was looking for.

00:04:29.920 Trump warns Iran, quote, whole civilization will die, end quote, if deadline not met.

00:04:36.280 That's pretty intense.

00:04:37.500 That's intense, but it's also very Trumpian.

00:04:39.760 And so, look, Trump is going to, I believe, take this aggressively up to and including potentially extending this deadline.

00:04:53.980 We will see.

00:04:55.140 I think we are going to get some form of resolution sooner rather than later because I think Trump has decided that he is in favor of getting the straight-up-form moves open

00:05:07.660 and believes that he can negotiate with the existing Iranian leaders.

00:05:11.260 I think that's where his game plan is.

00:05:13.420 And he is trying to, in the meantime, extract the maximum amount of negotiating leverage that he can.

00:05:22.120 And he knows that all of the Iranians monitor every single thing that he says on social media. 0.76

00:05:27.760 And that's what this story is.

00:05:29.840 So I just sometimes, Buck, am befuddled.

00:05:33.760 I would understand if this were still 2016 and Trump had only been a political figure for a year and people were still trying to grapple and figure out exactly what the intent of these messages is, but the intent is quite clear.

00:05:50.440 It is that he is going to try to get maximum negotiation leverage.

00:05:55.180 Now, the argument I think you can make against this is not that Trump is going to suddenly start nuclear war or something like that.

00:06:03.360 It's that by making all of these outlandish threats that he actually doesn't gain that much negotiating leverage or as much as he thinks he does because he's been doing it for a decade now.

00:06:18.300 That's, to me, the counter.

00:06:20.860 I don't see Iran bending the knee right now over this.

00:06:27.220 I just don't see it happening.

00:06:28.320 That's just my prediction.

00:06:29.340 I could be wrong.

00:06:30.100 they've gotten at some point i think the regime feels like well what do we have left to lose

00:06:35.960 and i think the answer is they aren't there they think that they are in a backed into a corner and

00:06:44.200 do anything they can now to and they'll suffer through anything they have already rejected

00:06:49.780 yesterday a temporary ceasefire that was offered if they would just open the strait of hormuz

00:06:57.080 and the iranians clay this has been in every analysis whether you're writing a grad school

00:07:03.480 paper or you're in the you know most deep dark bowels of the pentagon uh strategy files everyone

00:07:10.740 knows the strait of hormuz is a strategic choke point for global oil uh and and that's just

00:07:15.880 that's what iran has been really holding over the world for a long time more than anything else more

00:07:22.420 more even i think in some ways than the threat of a nuclear program uh because it's all we know

00:07:28.260 they can do this and we know that this is something that can start to have major economic

00:07:33.220 impact so iran said no to that and now the the iranian regime to the degree that we can get

00:07:39.980 insight into this uh the state of the negotiations they want a permanent ceasefire they want full

00:07:47.320 sanctions relief and they are not willing to make any nuclear or other concessions so the

00:07:53.060 iranians are taking a pretty hard line negotiating posture in at this point in response to where we

00:08:01.240 are um you know hitting critical infrastructure if that is where trump goes with this when he said

00:08:08.040 like we're gonna what is it just you know uh annihilate your civilization or something like

00:08:12.680 that that can actually backfire on you a bit because they're then the people of iran start

00:08:18.040 to say well hold on a second why are we all being punished they know it's not us

00:08:23.840 that's a consideration that i know that trump and the team have but it's a it's a big one to

00:08:29.380 to work through yeah look i mean the quote is a whole civilization will die tonight um which is 0.99

00:08:36.380 so cinematic and uh and apocalyptic i read that as i will kill a lot of the iranian leaders and 0.96

00:08:45.760 you should be aware that your civilization is going to cease to exist meaning the way that 0.97

00:08:51.640 you run iran is going to cease to exist regardless the goal is to terrify people in iran that are

00:08:59.960 still in power that if they are uh in any way um uh recalcitrant when it comes to negotiating

00:09:08.080 with president trump that there will be consequences um and look what did we say buck

00:09:14.240 um a couple weeks ago to me the off-ramp here is the challenging part i don't think there's

00:09:21.620 any doubt that we have severely curtailed and diminished iran's ability to in any way

00:09:27.540 inflict harm upon anyone in the Middle East or around the world. 0.99

00:09:32.520 I think you would have to be a moron to argue against that. 0.99

00:09:36.040 So the question is, to what extent is there an off-ramp here where Trump can claim, 0.99

00:09:42.880 hey, we have reached a resolution, we've reached a cinematic conclusion

00:09:49.220 in a way that he is able to declare victory and walk away.

00:09:53.680 To me, that is the question of what is that off-ramp?

00:09:58.500 What to him is a victory that he can claim?

00:10:01.980 The Strait of Hormuz being reopened, obviously, is a very tangible one.

00:10:05.720 The price of oil and gas would drop overnight, probably $30,

00:10:09.680 and get us back down close to where we were before this all started.

00:10:14.760 So I don't know that Iran, to your point, is willing to give that at this point.

00:10:20.200 So what kind of negotiating victory is out there on the table that the president can take?

00:10:26.480 By the way, Trump is very good at going out and claiming victory even when it's not necessarily a transcendent victory, right?

00:10:37.640 So I think there are probably off-ramps that Trump can take that would allow him to say,

00:10:43.460 we have chained our objectives, now it's time to ramp down everything that's been going on in Iran.

00:10:48.520 well what he really wants is this straight to reopen which has been made clear by his truth

00:10:53.100 social posts and everybody can see that and and that's because of the economic impact on the

00:10:58.680 global oil markets which has an enormous uh possibility at least of affecting domestic

00:11:05.840 politics here at home in an election year because remember the price shock can be a little delayed

00:11:10.840 from all of this too i know we're seeing prices rise already but it could be there are things uh

00:11:17.500 Like, you know, Amazon, I think, is even raising its prices on some vendors because of the increase in oil, right, for doing fulfillment for them.

00:11:27.180 And products, 50% of oil globally, something like 50%, is not used to go into vehicles and for transport.

00:11:36.640 It's actually used in products.

00:11:38.420 So a lot of things that you buy are petroleum-based products, and those prices over time will also rise from all of this.

00:11:45.980 So this is this is about Iran trying to use economic pain as its leverage to get Trump to back off and Trump just continuing to pound the Iranian military.

00:11:59.680 And let's be honest, the Iranian infrastructure now, if that's what he does tonight, and say, have you had enough? 0.81

00:12:07.720 Have you had enough punishment?

00:12:10.380 I'm not sure that the answer to that, Clay, is going to be yes.

00:12:13.920 Yeah. 0.95

00:12:14.400 These people are wacko. 1.00

00:12:16.080 I mean, the ones calling the shots here, I know we've said, oh, we've taken out so much of their leadership. 0.95

00:12:22.020 Yeah, but even the second rung of leadership there, it's not good.

00:12:26.200 Well, they're kind of in a tough spot, right?

00:12:28.460 Because if you are too conciliatory with the United States at this point, you might get killed in Iran, right? 0.98

00:12:35.480 So we're talking about between Iraq and a hard place.

00:12:38.180 If you're too aggressive with the U.S., we take you out.

00:12:41.000 If you're too conciliatory with the U.S., then Iran takes you out.

00:12:45.940 So you want to talk about the delicate dance that Iranian leadership that is trying to govern this country has to follow right now.

00:12:53.080 That is quite difficult.

00:12:55.120 I think right now, if there's an 11th hour deal, which we are now less than eight hours away from the deadline hitting here.

00:13:03.580 If there is an 11 hour, 11th hour deal, Clay, I think it will be Iran has agreed to a temporary ceasefire and the opening of the strait with nuclear negotiations and other concessions to follow.

00:13:14.880 And that would be what it looks.

00:13:16.560 It will not be an ad.

00:13:18.100 They will not do an abject surrender.

00:13:19.900 But if they give Trump the Strait of Hormuz, that will be enough to avoid the end of their civilization strike that is supposed to come tonight.

00:13:29.020 Yeah, I would also say the Strait of Hormuz can be a trust-but-verify situation that's very easy to test.

00:13:36.160 If Iran says the Strait of Hormuz is open now, we're going to allow transit, and it doesn't occur,

00:13:42.860 then you have a pretty good sign that you've been lied to.

00:13:45.160 There is an easy test scenario.

00:13:47.080 Now, the challenge is you have to convince some of the ship owners that have loaded up their ships with oil.

00:13:54.760 I mean, Buck, would you want to be on one of those ships right now?

00:13:57.360 Would you want to be in the Strait of Hormuz on a completely millions of barrels?

00:14:02.280 It would be a very large personal check to me to get me to go ride on one of those oil tankers.

00:14:08.360 It might be a little hard to sleep if you're in the Strait of Hormuz right now.

00:14:12.720 Also, being on an oil tanker that gets hit by a missile would be a really bad place to be.

00:14:18.560 No.

00:14:19.140 Even if it's not immediate catastrophic damage, which it could be,

00:14:24.340 you wouldn't want to have that situation, that's for sure.

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00:16:38.940 your podcasts welcome back in our number two clay travis buck sexton show as we wait for the deadline

00:16:49.220 8 p.m eastern on bated breath people are in my mentions i just jumped in on social media buck

00:16:58.080 we're going to take some of your calls we've got a bunch of different uh interesting calls here

00:17:01.880 but they're saying trump is going to drop a nuclear bomb on iran i will wager any amount

00:17:10.520 of money that anybody out there listening has that we will not drop a nuclear bomb on iran

00:17:16.720 and uh i feel very very confident about this uh but if uh some of you have lots of money that you 0.95

00:17:23.780 want to put on the line here um i think your brains are broken if you are arguing oh my god 0.86

00:17:30.640 Trump is going to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran, 0.96

00:17:32.840 but there's actually a lot of people out there, Buck,

00:17:35.020 arguing Trump will drop a nuclear bomb on Iran.

00:17:38.060 Markets, by the way, actually pretty calm.

00:17:41.360 The oil market not moving very much at all.

00:17:45.340 The stock market not moving very much at all.

00:17:48.460 There is a sort of genuine, I think, comfort

00:17:53.920 that nothing crazy is going to happen,

00:17:56.640 and we will see at 8 p.m. Eastern tonight or maybe before.

00:17:59.880 I will mention Todd Blanche, who is the acting attorney general, is having a press conference right now at the Department of Justice.

00:18:08.460 We are monitoring that being covered live by Fox News.

00:18:11.700 He is the acting attorney general replacing Pam Bondi.

00:18:15.560 And we will update you if any major news comes out of that.

00:18:20.320 But, Buck, we got a bunch of callers here.

00:18:22.920 And I thought they had several different interesting takes here.

00:18:27.400 um and uh taylor i'll start with taylor taylor is from columbus ohio he says he voted for

00:18:34.860 president trump three times uh that you are an independent but that you are upset at both buck

00:18:41.720 and me because we are not tough enough on trump taylor you have the floor from columbus ohio

00:18:48.020 yeah you know i actually think um you guys are way better than anybody else

00:18:54.460 in conservative media because you actually will call a spade a spade,

00:18:59.140 which is why I keep listening to you guys.

00:19:01.200 But it just feels like every time I turn on the other guys' Fox News,

00:19:08.100 it's just one big cheerleading gush fest. 0.98

00:19:11.500 And I'll tell you, it's people like me who came out in droves in 2024

00:19:17.700 and gave Trump and the GOP a total mandate.

00:19:21.960 And you hit it on the head last segment.

00:19:24.460 If the Democrats were to get a mandate like that, like what we saw Trump get in 2024, they would steamroll this country with the agenda.

00:19:34.180 And I got to say, guys, Pam Bondi was an utter disaster. 0.96

00:19:39.560 Chrissy Noem, total disaster. 0.88

00:19:41.600 All this COVID fraud, all this Medicare fraud, Somali fraud, election fraud, it's been totally forgotten about seemingly by this administration.

00:19:50.060 now we're facing a war that if this goes off the rails with iran i'm telling you people my

00:19:55.480 generation do not have a stomach for this again i'm asking you guys because i think you're the

00:20:00.480 best at what you do on on this side of things who is holding the trump administration accountable

00:20:06.040 because we are the ones who gave him this mandate and i'll tell you there are millions of people

00:20:11.480 like me who at this point are are thinking of sitting this one out in the midterms um so taylor

00:20:18.600 I want to see how this Iran thing plays out, but I think someone needs to get in Trump's ear and say,

00:20:25.760 hey, we gave you this mandate.

00:20:28.180 You need to start delivering on these things.

00:20:30.900 So here's what I would say, Taylor.

00:20:32.240 First of all, really appreciate the call and also the words of support for the show,

00:20:36.340 because it means a lot to us because Clay and I, especially in the Internet ecosystem,

00:20:40.380 we're very fortunate, thanks to iHeart, that we're on almost 600 radio stations,

00:20:45.660 but also we operate in the online space like other people do.

00:20:49.300 And these days, the way to get attention and clicks in the online space

00:20:52.520 on the right is to just be insane. 0.69

00:20:54.640 It's to just be completely nuts. 0.97

00:20:56.380 Say wild stuff, no accountability, make crazy predictions,

00:21:00.460 say, I will bet my career that space aliens will land tomorrow, 0.96

00:21:04.900 they will rip off their humanoid faces, they will be lizards, 1.00

00:21:07.740 and they will say we are actually all obeying Hillary Clinton.

00:21:11.780 Like, I can say that, and that's interesting,

00:21:14.560 but then tomorrow comes and i would hope that the audience would hold me to account but that

00:21:18.620 doesn't happen anymore on the right so i'll just i'll put that out there first and foremost so i 0.90

00:21:22.260 appreciate you and others because they're choosing to listen to this show instead of some of the crap

00:21:27.440 that's out there make those distinctions so thank you and i really mean this the bottom of my heart

00:21:32.500 it speaks well to your discernment and your intellect okay so there's that beyond that

00:21:37.760 everything that you've said i think is completely fair you know i'm um maybe too nice sometimes

00:21:44.320 about people especially if i think they're well-intentioned i think it's a general thing

00:21:48.980 in my analysis that maybe uh is you know in in political commentary could be a shortcoming quite

00:21:54.380 honestly if i feel like someone's a good person look christine ome shot her dog she got no there

00:21:59.580 was no quarter no benefit for me after that thing okay i didn't like that and we we had that out on

00:22:04.200 the show and everyone knows how i feel about it uh and among other things by the way not just the

00:22:08.360 dog shooting but um so with pam bondy i think i go maybe i go a little soft her record was not good

00:22:13.960 in her first year it just wasn't um but then again i'm saying that right so that's where i would come

00:22:18.560 down on that on the but on the most important thing and trump i want to hand this to you because

00:22:21.300 i think our callers hit like this is the site this is what's so critical right now because

00:22:26.100 if it goes wrong it goes wrong in the midterms of the midterms goes wrong the trump agenda's over

00:22:30.660 okay the party's over folks we're gonna it's gonna get ugly after the midterms if we lose the house

00:22:36.140 and certainly if we lose the house in the senate clay it's like trump is the chief poker player

00:22:41.300 and he has put a whole mound of chips in the front in the middle of the table on this iran thing

00:22:47.160 if he wins if he gets this done i mean that's amazing so i'm not going to hit a guy i'm not

00:22:55.880 going to come after a guy for making a bit's a big gamble a big bet before we know what's happened

00:23:01.400 now would i have made the bet no but i'm not donald trump and i'm not the commander-in-chief

00:23:06.020 him putting all these chips on the table this way clay to me if it comes back a big win great if it

00:23:13.600 comes back snake guys we will hold the administration to account as much as we can here and

00:23:18.380 you know god help our country because we're going to have some tough tough conversations ahead when

00:23:22.900 democrats take control because that's what i see happening what do you think so i have obviously a

00:23:29.480 lot of thoughts unfortunately we have a big show so we could share most of them look i think trump

00:23:34.720 if you want to criticize him has been trying to fix too many things simultaneously there's a lot

00:23:42.180 of broken things out there i think we also live in an era where whatever trump does there is a

00:23:49.720 concerted opposition of people that's brains are broken that are lined up to convince you that it's

00:23:55.620 the worst thing they've ever seen right now we have been at war with iran for six weeks 13 american

00:24:02.780 soldiers have died i wish that we had lost no uh life at all in this uh in this event with uh that

00:24:11.080 we're currently in with iran but that is one of the most successful operations of war in the history 0.97

00:24:18.360 of the united states joe biden couldn't leave afghanistan without 13 people dying 40 plus people

00:24:26.080 have died and been murdered in chicago since this war started if you had to choose whether you

00:24:33.240 wanted to be an american soldier fighting in iran or just a regular american living in some

00:24:40.380 neighborhoods on the south side of chicago it's almost to the point seriously where the danger

00:24:45.820 on the south side of chicago is higher than the danger in the skies above iran to be fair clay

00:24:50.960 though people would say you know if you live in chicago you have to live where you live we didn't

00:24:55.460 have to we didn't have to start an air campaign against iran right so there's what but their

00:24:59.360 position isn't that it's so few casualties or or whether it is few or not the position of those

00:25:05.060 who are upset with trump is it should be zero we should not have lost a single american life in

00:25:09.500 this well and that goes to the argument of whether you trust trump with the decision that he has made

00:25:15.260 in iran i see all of these connected i see venezuela i see cuba i see uh iran connected

00:25:22.640 directly. And I think Trump is seeing governments that are opposed to basic human rights and freedom

00:25:29.700 that are close to toppling. And he has decided he's going to take them out while he can.

00:25:34.060 Now, Venezuela seems to be going fantastically well. There's almost zero discussion about what's

00:25:40.320 going on in Venezuela. That's a sign that things are going really well. Cuba, if we hadn't allowed 0.87

00:25:46.100 Russia to deliver a couple of ships there, basically wouldn't have been able to even 0.88

00:25:51.020 continue to exist as a country we can at any point in time i believe decide what's going to happen in

00:25:56.340 cuba with iran trump believes and again you don't have to sign on to this although i do think there's

00:26:03.860 some cogency to this that because of the power of iran to control some so much of the flow the flow

00:26:12.280 of oil and gas that there is basically a surcharge on what oil and gas costs because of their

00:26:19.600 government and the fact that they can't be relied upon and as a result he believes that if there is

00:26:25.320 a more stable government that we do not worry about having nuclear weapons that things will

00:26:30.320 be better for american commerce in the years ahead to me again this is overreach the easiest

00:26:36.320 thing for trump to have done was just show up not really rock the boat very much and as a result

00:26:43.060 there wouldn't be the these risks he's taking and this i think is the number one way to really sum

00:26:49.180 it up i think trump sees what happened with north korea and i think bill clinton regrets the way

00:26:55.020 that he handled north korea and trump wants to solve the problem of iran potentially having

00:27:00.980 nuclear weapons if we could go back in time i bet if we got bill clinton on this program

00:27:05.840 and other than sexual relations with monica in the white house right of the decisions that bill 1.00

00:27:11.960 clinton made that were directly related to american foreign policy i bet i went back and

00:27:17.680 read all about this buck i bet he wishes that jimmy carter hadn't parachuted into north korea

00:27:23.480 for those of you who forgot how this all went trump i mean uh clinton was all prepared to

00:27:28.960 attack north korea and try to wipe out their nuclear ambitions and then jimmy carter said

00:27:33.960 i'm gonna go meet with uh the north koreans and i'll get us a deal and he did that and he went in

00:27:40.600 and the deal was that north korea was never gonna have nuclear weapons and buck what did they do

00:27:45.000 They got nuclear weapons. It is both imminently rational for North Korea and for Iran to want nuclear weapons because it guarantees the government will be in power forever and imminently rational for countries like ours to want Iran to not join North Korea and to keep them from ever having nuclear weapons. 0.58

00:28:03.260 Trump could have punted on this whole thing, Buck.

00:28:05.720 He could have just said, hey, I'm out in 29.

00:28:09.420 We'll let the rest of the world deal with whether Iran has nuclear weapons in the future.

00:28:15.220 I think Trump is genuinely trying to fix things for generations that he's not going to live to see.

00:28:21.400 And that is a substantial overreach in ambition and intent.

00:28:25.160 And if it doesn't pan out, to your point, he's put a lot of chips in the table.

00:28:29.300 And some people are going to say he should have just left Iran alone.

00:28:32.180 North Korea's got nuclear weapons.

00:28:34.160 What do we care?

00:28:34.940 What do we care if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

00:28:37.380 I think there are some people who would say that.

00:28:39.780 I just feel like there are a lot of people who are declaring this amazing or awful when they don't know the score.

00:28:48.800 We don't know.

00:28:50.840 And so how can you be in a position that that's just people looking for a way to justify their own view of Mideast policy, their own view of Trump?

00:29:00.860 there is still a possibility here of i think a high i think it's a probability better than 50 50

00:29:07.540 i wouldn't say it's a sure thing that trump manages to completely change the trajectory of

00:29:13.160 the middle east and uh put an end to the the middle east can never be stable it's just like

00:29:18.980 a perpetual warfare jihadists blow themselves up crazy crazy zone okay there's a possibility that

00:29:25.700 he changes that trajectory in a way that is a once in a once in a lifetime opportunity there's

00:29:33.180 also a possibility that this thing continues to be a little bit of a mess and maybe he does more

00:29:40.100 damage to iran maybe he lands some u.s troops on the shores of hormuz because they won't open hormuz

00:29:45.900 maybe we take some more losses and things get uglier and worse and he gets absolutely shellacked

00:29:51.040 in the midterms for this and then we will know that it was not a good gamble right yes we don't

00:29:58.540 know yet and i'm just trying to be honest with you about this there's some people that want us

00:30:02.380 to say it's amazing some people want us to say it's terrible we talk about what has happened

00:30:07.080 and what we think is happening but tomorrow is going to be very different from today in terms

00:30:13.200 of the scoreboard for iran i know i'm sorry that it's you know it's a war and it's not a game but

00:30:17.420 in terms of the wisdom or lack thereof of this entire operation.

00:30:23.160 We'll see what happens with this red line tonight.

00:30:25.780 But because this is serious stuff, I don't think it's intellectually honest

00:30:30.220 to just get dug into one side and either take out the pom-poms

00:30:33.960 or take out the sledgehammer and pretend like that's being fair to the situation.

00:30:39.800 I do have faith, Clay, still that Trump will pull this thing out.

00:30:42.840 If he doesn't, we will say that this was a blunder

00:30:45.780 and it will be apparent to everyone then.

00:30:47.800 But I feel like prejudging the outcome from our perspective

00:30:50.880 doesn't do any, what's the point of that?

00:30:53.740 I'll just give you this prediction for tonight.

00:30:56.640 If Trump announces that there's a deal,

00:30:58.920 the same people who said he's going to nuke Iran

00:31:02.160 are going to be upset and say the deal isn't good enough.

00:31:06.640 Just a prediction.

00:31:07.880 What perspective of reasoned analysis could lead you to

00:31:11.980 he's gonna nuke iran to if he doesn't nuke iran and he announces a peace deal they're gonna say

00:31:18.400 the peace deal isn't good enough i can tell you exactly what their reaction is going to be i would

00:31:23.060 rather be wrong in my analysis or my assessment and have good things happen for america than the

00:31:28.840 other way around unfortunately not a lot of people in our business are acting like that recently

00:31:33.340 because whatever happens they're kind of rooting against trump on this one and i mean from the

00:31:38.120 right and to me that's just that's something that we would never tolerate uh in terms of the

00:31:44.620 commentary from democrats without the harshest of rejoinders but there are people that just want to

00:31:49.460 be right about this thing which means they hope that trump fails so a lot of troops die and a lot

00:31:54.520 of troops die like they would celebrate if 50 american troops die in the next if you want to

00:31:59.860 hammer trump after this thing turns into debacle yeah and that's why we have elections and yeah

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00:33:48.500 welcome everybody third hour of the clay travis and buck sexton show gets going right now and

00:33:56.420 Clay, I thought this would be a fun one to do instead of just focusing relentlessly on Iran,

00:34:00.780 which we are very much dialed into, but there's only so much that can be said about it right now.

00:34:05.320 We know we have an 8 p.m. Eastern deadline tonight laid out by President Trump

00:34:10.340 in which he said, more or less, concede to the Trump administration's demands,

00:34:16.340 Iranian regime, or your civilization will be ended. 0.98

00:34:20.440 On the other side of things, the other side of the world, the other side of the moon, perhaps,

00:34:25.300 Artemis II, here is Trump. This is cut eight.

00:34:28.760 He is greeting the Artemis II crew after they have returned from behind the far side of the moon.

00:34:36.320 Here's how it went, play eight. 0.62

00:34:37.560 Hello, very special hello to Artemis II.

00:34:41.120 Today you've made history and made all America really proud, incredibly proud.

00:34:45.920 We have a lot of things to be proud of lately,

00:34:48.280 but there's nothing like what you're doing circling around the moon for the first time in more than a half a century.

00:34:54.560 and breaking the all-time record for the farthest distance from planet Earth.

00:34:59.880 Humans have really never seen anything quite like what you're doing.

00:35:04.460 Your mission paves the way for America's return to the lunar surface very soon.

00:35:10.640 We're going all out.

00:35:11.860 We're doing everything we can, and it's headed up by Jared.

00:35:15.100 We'll plant our flag once again, and this time we won't just leave footprints.

00:35:19.600 We'll establish a permanent presence on the moon, and we'll push on to Mars.

00:35:24.560 clay it's actually very exciting what's going on i know there's a lot of focus on other things but

00:35:31.220 it's uh it's another small step from man another man you know what i mean you know the quote

00:35:39.860 one of those well yeah look i i know we said this yesterday and every time i mention it

00:35:46.500 people are mad at me in the mentions i think this is an awesome story we have now sent humans

00:35:53.420 farther from earth than ever in the history of our civilization that seems pretty awesome to me

00:36:00.860 and i understand people out there are not excited about the idea of trying to have a moon base or

00:36:06.580 trying to colonize mars some of you are not excited about that i actually think it is incredibly

00:36:12.340 important um look this country if you want me to get on a soapbox was founded on the idea of

00:36:19.300 frontiers of always going to the next horizon of always trying to create something better than what

00:36:27.220 came before it i would say that is our national dna and that is why this country has thrived when

00:36:33.480 other countries have collapsed and i think exploration now we have to explore in space

00:36:41.420 but certainly you can explore at the bottom of the oceans and you can explore at the top of the

00:36:45.600 mountains but i feel like we have a pretty good sense for what is now here on earth space is the

00:36:52.600 next exploration for humanity and so i think extending what we're capable of is significant

00:36:59.740 to say nothing buck of the fact that many of our great technological innovations come about by

00:37:06.180 trying to press the horizon forward uh when it comes to uh humanity's being able to go into space

00:37:13.280 In other words, the space age fibers which we create legitimately aid us in many other different aspects of life here.

00:37:20.800 And I believe, look, this is me getting on my, you know, kind of further soapbox,

00:37:26.260 that SpaceX in particular and Starlink and all these other entities that are now space-based

00:37:34.100 are going to make civilization on Earth much better.

00:37:37.580 So I've been following Artemis 2.

00:37:40.120 I think it is we had last week Jared Isaacman on.

00:37:44.820 I think this is a significant achievement for mankind,

00:37:48.180 and I don't see it in this era where we're talking about what's going to happen in Iran.

00:37:52.980 I think it's worth pausing and saying, hey, it's kind of a big deal.

00:37:56.800 This is something we should all be proud of.

00:37:58.820 And I think the astronauts themselves, we played Victor Glover the other day.

00:38:03.180 I actually think they've been pretty eloquent advocates for the importance of space exploration,

00:38:08.200 and many of their answers to you know questions have gone viral as a result that are very positive

00:38:13.680 here's trump continuing with his uh chat with the artemis 2 crew this is cut 10 from the

00:38:20.480 commander-in-chief here he is i really look forward to when we can i want to look forward

00:38:25.300 to seeing you in the oval office i'll ask jared to bring you over and i'll ask for your autograph

00:38:30.760 because i don't really ask for autographs much but you deserve that you really are something

00:38:36.760 everybody's talking about this and i look forward to having you in the oval office at the white

00:38:42.120 house and we will celebrate your incredible achievements and triumphs this is big this is

00:38:49.120 really big stuff the whole world is talking about it and if you have the time i will certainly find

00:38:54.860 the time i've been pretty busy also as you know but i will absolutely find the time and we'll get

00:39:00.520 together and i'm going to be giving you a big salute on behalf of the american people and

00:39:06.340 beyond that thank you for that mr president and uh when you want us we will be there

00:39:10.980 clay one of the last groups it seems around last uh occupations last uh cultural heroes

00:39:21.020 that feel like they're still a by like a bipartisan high five can go out to them and

00:39:27.620 it's not about it is about the greatness of mankind and scientific uh achievement and

00:39:32.180 exploration and whatever ask astronauts i feel like people still like astronauts i think there

00:39:38.460 hasn't been uh you know i don't know about people in lab coats who are like turn and cough give me

00:39:44.160 your knee let's check your reflexes ever since fauci doctors have gone in for some rough stuff

00:39:49.280 but astronauts people like that's a great question i think astronauts probably number one what are

00:39:56.160 like the top two or three professions that people still hold in high esteem that's a astronaut by

00:40:02.160 be number one where you just you know kind of i think military and police are still very high

00:40:07.720 in the general population cops are very uh that's cops can go i think cops have come back culture

00:40:13.300 they've come back now after being uh attacked for a long time i think military uh typically

00:40:19.000 rate very highly um this is also fun i don't know if you've seen some on social media

00:40:24.800 i saw a funny comment i i don't remember who to attribute it to but it was very funny

00:40:29.480 that the flat earthers are like the conspiracy that they're one of the few conspiracists to

00:40:35.480 actually get blown up uh you know it's hard to still be a flat earther um i think on now that

00:40:40.940 we've sent astronauts again and we're getting i think it was always hard um i said this on the

00:40:45.120 show i said what happens to all those guys now what what becomes they move on to there's yeah

00:40:50.640 i tell you what they're moving on to they're saying that these are all fake well this is what

00:40:54.520 they have to yeah it's it's fake all over again it's actually like wag the dog for trump's iran

00:41:00.140 debacle or something like that it has to be because you can never the thing about getting

00:41:05.880 deep into the conspiracy is that the conspiracy can never end the whole fun of it is that you

00:41:10.500 have no accountability for being wrong and you know something that no one else knows there's

00:41:15.140 always more information to prove that you're right so the conspiracy can never be proven wrong

00:41:19.280 so this is going to go dark um because we were that i would say that was a lot of light trying

00:41:25.600 to have a nice nice light we were having we were having a lot of light and a lot of positivity

00:41:29.860 about space um i think that uh and i said this the other day at a public forum and i don't know

00:41:37.220 if it got picked up or not but i think i've said it on the show before if i haven't um some people

00:41:42.280 should get bankrupted for the things that they say um and some of you out there are going to say

00:41:48.260 well clay what about free speech you can believe in free speech but free speech does not mean that

00:41:53.460 it's freedom from consequence um and uh some of the things that i see uh online and i'll use as

00:42:02.520 an example the idea like if you made your entire world based on the idea that hey flat earth is

00:42:09.220 going to exist you mentioned the idea of hey the world's going to come to an end tomorrow

00:42:13.220 and you get a lot of attention people have done this for generations they've said hey the world's

00:42:17.520 going to end tomorrow and then the day comes world doesn't end and then you get up the next day and

00:42:23.200 you unless you're pulling a jones town you get everybody to commit suicide with you uh which is

00:42:27.320 a super dark uh element of this have we ever talked about the reasonable lists on the show i feel like

00:42:32.760 i've mentioned this years and years ago but i don't know if you and i don't think so i don't

00:42:36.280 know that from well aren't you curious about the group known as the reasonable lists yes and they

00:42:41.940 this is this is from the tv show parks and rec which was i think an nbc sitcom uh which i've

00:42:47.840 seen i've saw all saw all the episodes of it there are some people who say that i even look like one

00:42:52.540 of the actors from the show and uh i i would disagree with that but it is something that i

00:42:57.760 hear but there that's a show and there is a group that meets in the park that every year for uh to

00:43:06.100 celebrate the end of the world and like the aliens coming to take everybody and they call themselves 0.99

00:43:10.280 the reasonableness because how could you how can you argue with people who are the reasonableness

00:43:15.700 but every year they have and this is like the joke on the show every year they have to come up with

00:43:20.220 why it wasn't the end of the world and that's true of a lot of people in the conspiracy mindset

00:43:26.780 no matter what you no matter what you provide to them it's oh you're in on it oh there's more

00:43:32.420 oh that's fake and that's true of the flat earth fake moon landing people as well you'll never

00:43:37.960 the fun of the game is that they just get to make it up as they go along and they're smarter than

00:43:42.360 everybody else right it's really more of a psychological posture than it is actually an

00:43:46.120 analysis of what's real and what's not but when you are proven objectively to be wrong

00:43:51.560 and that objectively being wrong has no consequences for you and even worse than that

00:43:59.560 it is rewarded because you make more money than you otherwise would and i'm not talking about

00:44:05.320 opinion right um you know what should happen in iran that is largely opinion based right everybody

00:44:12.380 can have whatever opinion they want but there are some things that are one billion percent untrue

00:44:19.860 for instance uh today i saw as i'm going around social media it is now trending that trump is

00:44:28.300 responsible for charlie kirk being murdered that is a new argument that is out there that some

00:44:34.980 people are going to make a lot of money arguing in favor of and i just look around and you and i

00:44:41.780 were talking about this off air that i think these conspiracies on charlie kirk in particular have so

00:44:47.560 taken root buck that i'm saying this as if i was an attorney his defense this tyler robinson i

00:44:54.820 believe is his name the charged uh killer of charlie kirk his defense is going to come out

00:45:01.580 of this internet cesspool and it is going to be that he was set up and they are going to argue

00:45:07.960 in front of the courts and everything else his i didn't do this i was set up it was donald trump

00:45:15.740 it was israel it was erica kirk it was all these different people that clearly had nothing to do

00:45:22.660 with charlie kirk's assassination and there is such a feverdom in the social media space that

00:45:29.180 there is going to be an actual murder defense that is rooted on these lies and buck here's

00:45:36.420 what's scary to me it might work there might be all you need is one member of that jury

00:45:41.940 who is a self-conspiracist that's right and and believes this stuff i look i get people

00:45:48.340 the stuff that's proliferating on the internet on the right these days you know i'm going to

00:45:53.000 tell you guys this my book and i'm sorry clay clay's been very patient with me pushing the

00:45:57.320 book all the time but i mean they dropped the price recently clay manufacturing no it's a great

00:46:01.000 deal even better one uh one part of the book though that uh i in retrospect people ask me

00:46:07.800 can this affect the right the stuff that i talk about which has completely overtaken the left

00:46:11.680 okay and we would go through on the clan i talk about this on a daily basis on the show

00:46:15.280 the the men and women sports things and the uh you know the climate change which you don't really

00:46:21.120 hear about very much anymore but it's like the biggest threat in the world and all all the the

00:46:25.680 fauci you know vaccine take it or you're gonna die madness all these things the left went nuts

00:46:30.780 okay and the left made itself nuts and that's a big thing people ask me clay they say can the same

00:46:35.600 stuff happen on the right and the answer is yeah it's happening it didn't really happen when i was

00:46:40.220 writing the book which is why it's not in there but i might have to come back to this now and be

00:46:43.940 like hey guys this can be a problem on our side too people can manufacture delusions on the right

00:46:49.580 as well and when you're having people say that donald trump had one of his and somebody was

00:46:55.820 effectively like an adopted son to him you know what i can't even say it on the air can't even

00:46:59.680 say it's like too gross to even say honestly it's just so but this is i think it is at some point

00:47:05.000 there are no consequences and worse than consequences there's actually reward for

00:47:11.740 insanity um in media and i think it's now the fever pitch there is going to legitimately lead

00:47:20.800 to a defense in a court is going to be he didn't do it this was all one big conspiracy and my

00:47:26.920 concern is that one of the 12 jurors in utah is going to be susceptible to this argument and might 0.96

00:47:33.860 well uh buy it do you remember the westboro baptist church oh yeah we're just the the disgusting 1.00

00:47:40.140 disgusting just slovenly moral cretin mess of the westward and they would show up at soldiers 1.00

00:47:49.420 funerals and say the worst imaginable things now do they have a first amendment right uh you know 0.97

00:47:54.860 i mean where are they are they on private property is it but you know on the roads or something yeah

00:47:59.020 they have a first amendment right but it was such such a clearly disgusting thing people that are

00:48:03.500 saying that charlie kirk uh that people who were either his wife or his dear friends or the trump

00:48:09.120 administration had anything to do with any it's up there with west westboro baptist church stuff

00:48:13.340 it is it's that level of like come on that's just disgusting so you know people have said why don't

00:48:19.600 we get into this because we don't want to get into the muck we want to talk about what's really

00:48:22.500 happening but i mean clay's telling me this is trending right now on on twitter guys now i don't

00:48:28.780 need to say this to any of you because you're listening to us because you don't like the crazy 0.51

00:48:31.540 idiocy you like real people with real thoughts who are leading happy and successful lives who 0.98

00:48:37.040 appreciate and love all of you and want to bring you the truth but there's a lot of nonsense out

00:48:41.220 there right now on the right there's a lot of it you got to watch out it's not just the other team

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00:50:17.980 welcome back in to clay and buck we are joined now by the secretary of health and human services

00:50:25.380 Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Mr. Secretary, great to have you on the program.

00:50:30.560 Thanks for making the time for us.

00:50:32.980 Thank you very, very much for having me.

00:50:35.700 You've got two guys here who are middle-aged, got kids,

00:50:38.360 and trying to up their health game in a big way.

00:50:40.700 So I'm going to tell you, we are, and this audience is,

00:50:43.520 very dialed in to the Maha agenda.

00:50:46.920 Can I just first ask you, because, look, we've got a war in Iran.

00:50:50.000 We've got some big things happening.

00:50:51.200 haven't heard that much about what's going on from your side of the equation from my world lately

00:50:59.500 can you bring everyone up to speed with what has been done in 2026 or what are the biggest wins

00:51:05.200 so far since you've taken the helmet hhs that people need to know about well i mean last week

00:51:11.920 alone. We got agreements from hospitals around the country to begin giving hospital patients

00:51:25.000 real food instead of the terrible stuff, the appalling food that they feed you in hospitals.

00:51:31.300 We sent out a letter to all the hospitals saying that they could not collect Medicare

00:51:36.860 Medicaid funding unless they started giving good food to their patients we

00:51:42.560 also announced that a comprehensive new program on addressing microplastics in

00:51:49.640 the society in the biggest accomplishments I think over the last

00:51:53.840 year we're flipping the food pyramid getting recent real food back on the

00:51:59.180 American guidelines you know the government has been lying to the

00:52:02.240 American people for 60 years with dietary guidelines that were written by food industry

00:52:09.220 lobbyists to encourage us to eat ultra-processed foods and highly refined carbohydrates.

00:52:14.680 As a result of that, we now have the sickest population in the world from chronic disease.

00:52:20.600 77% of American kids cannot qualify for military service.

00:52:25.500 When my uncle was president, we were spending zero on chronic disease.

00:52:29.380 Today, we spend $4.3 trillion, 90% of our health care spending, and it is all preventable.

00:52:39.040 And most of it is food-induced.

00:52:42.160 70% of the American calories now, the average American, are coming from ultra-processed food, and it's just poisoning us.

00:52:49.940 The obesity rates in kids have gone from 3% to 5% when I was a kid, 20% to 30% today.

00:52:57.280 and in adults it's 70% are obese or overweight and so it's a national

00:53:03.320 security issue with crushing our economy and it's destroying the lives of our

00:53:08.980 children and the new dietary guidelines are the biggest thing I are going to

00:53:16.040 change dietary culture in this country because it's into what people eat in the

00:53:22.000 staff program, the WICS program, school lunches, it's changing already what the military eats,

00:53:29.780 it's changing Indian health services, all of the hundreds of millions of dollars a day in food

00:53:37.780 subsidies that we give out. Now those programs have to align themselves with the new dietary

00:53:43.700 guidelines. We've gotten rid of, by the end of the year, we should have gotten rid of all of

00:53:51.640 the petroleum-based food dyes, all mine, synthetic food dyes in our food, we are doing a first

00:54:01.080 nutritional and contaminant regulations and testing of baby formula. We're changing the

00:54:14.060 GRAS standard, which is generally recognized as safe, this is a loophole that EPA or FDA

00:54:23.600 created and was captured by the food industry so that any chemical that food companies want

00:54:31.260 to put in our food, they can do it without testing, without even telling us what's in

00:54:36.060 it.

00:54:37.240 We have now approximately 10,000 chemicals in our food.

00:54:42.180 Nobody even knows what they are.

00:54:44.060 And nobody's seen safety testing on almost any of them.

00:54:47.800 In Europe, they only have 400 people.

00:54:54.720 So food companies will no longer be.

00:54:59.440 I think I have a long list of other things.

00:55:04.240 We're ending animal testing.

00:55:07.280 We've got, you know, we did the MFN negotiations,

00:55:12.460 Negotiations, the most favored nation status, which are going to give us the cheapest we had for the last 30 years, the most expensive pharmaceuticals in the world, in our country.

00:55:24.000 We have 4.2% of the population, but 75% of pharmaceutical industry revenues and profits come from America.

00:55:33.100 People in Europe pay a tiny fraction of what we do, but the same drug produced in the same factory in New Jersey.

00:55:40.100 For example, when I took office, the list price for Ozempic in our country was $1,350.

00:55:48.140 You could get the exact same drug in any pharmacy in London for $88.

00:55:56.960 And this is a norm across.

00:55:59.340 Now we are going to be paying in our country the cheapest price for every drug.

00:56:06.860 and that is going to dramatically change the cost of medicine here and improve people's health

00:56:12.580 i could go on no this is all fantastic question for you um and and i think this has to do with

00:56:20.000 a big picture issue and i think it's one reason you're in the administration now which i'm sure

00:56:24.360 several years ago you never would have been able to forecast buck and i are still very angry over

00:56:29.040 what happened during covid um it's been six years and uh it seems like that is uh come and gone in

00:56:35.700 a hurry and a lot of people just want to turn the page and pretend it never happened but i think it's

00:56:40.120 hard for a lot of americans to trust the government on health after what happened to us during covid

00:56:47.220 do you still feel that how do you get that trust back when so many people are still angry about the

00:56:54.540 lies that they were told that we were all told by the government back then yeah i mean the only way

00:57:00.760 And you're right, we're seeing in polls that trust for the CDC was at 70% before COVID,

00:57:09.200 and it had already gone down substantially because of the opioid crisis.

00:57:12.660 That was another lie that everybody, Americans first became aware that their health agencies were actually, you know,

00:57:24.360 captured and promoting the mercantile ambitions of pharmaceutical companies rather than public

00:57:32.280 health. But during COVID, half of America realized, okay, we're being lied to, systematically

00:57:40.000 lied to by our public health agencies. And so trust has gone from 70% to a little less than 40%.

00:57:48.440 And the only way that you regain trust is by making the agencies trustworthy. And that's

00:57:53.640 what we are doing. We are being honest with people the first time about what we know or

00:58:01.200 we don't know. We are changing all the websites to make sure that people know, you know, that

00:58:08.060 there are risks to certain medicines and certain interventions and that they have open eyes

00:58:15.680 about what those risks are and uh and you know we're we just stop lying to people and that is

00:58:22.940 the only way over the long term that you're going to regain trust we're speaking to ajs secretary

00:58:28.220 rfk jr and mr secretary uh i'm down here in south florida i think you actually were on the beach

00:58:34.300 here uh working out not long ago i think i saw that on the muscle beach here uh it's a great

00:58:39.040 place very very health conscious and actually miami is trying to become the wellness the health

00:58:44.980 and wellness capital of the world that's now a stated thing so i'm in the epicenter of this right

00:58:48.920 now and one thing that people talk about a ton and i'm sure you get this is i know peptide is

00:58:55.300 just a name for a chain of amino acids but people uh glp1s are a peptide which are changing health

00:59:01.260 for millions of people as we know it there's peptides like bpc157 all this stuff is out there

00:59:07.380 it's out there in large numbers people are taking it using it some say it's great some say it does

00:59:12.140 nothing how can the fda uh catch up with some of this to where usage is because the usage is

00:59:19.480 everywhere down here and a lot of other places and the fda is like oh we don't know good luck

00:59:24.880 yeah well you know the here here's what happened there were 19 and uh commonly used

00:59:35.680 laptops the most commonly used one including bpc-157 and a bunch of others that you're

00:59:41.080 probably familiar with, that were in a category that were put in a category where they were

00:59:52.220 formulation pharmacies, couldn't make them for individuals, they couldn't mass market

00:59:56.720 them.

00:59:57.720 FDA regulate products that are mass marketed for a specific indication for heart attacks

01:00:08.740 or for obesity or whatever, but it doesn't regulate nutritional supplements.

01:00:15.740 And it's not supposed to regulate personalized medicine by formulation pharmacies.

01:00:21.500 Those pharmacies are there so that if patients have specific needs that are not fulfilled

01:00:31.220 by a mass marketed drug that the formulator can make up a uh a special drug for that patient and

01:00:41.300 that is the category that peptides were being marketed on up until the biden administration

01:00:51.460 the biden administration we believe illegally took 19 of those most popular passes uh peptides

01:00:59.300 and put them in Category 2, which makes it illegal to market them.

01:01:04.980 The FDA has the ability to move it to Category 2,

01:01:08.440 but only if they find a safety signal,

01:01:10.520 and they did not have a safety signal on those.

01:01:14.400 And so now, as you pointed out, we have a gray market and a mascarous, 0.67

01:01:20.900 a gray market and a black market,

01:01:23.540 where Americans are being forced to buy these products

01:01:26.880 from, in many cases, unethical formulators.

01:01:31.240 There are many ethical ones out there, unethical ones.

01:01:35.200 We're getting them from unknown sources,

01:01:37.860 and they're allowed to sell them for animals, for research purposes.

01:01:42.180 They're not allowed to technically sell them for human use.

01:01:46.240 Right, for research only. I've seen the sites, yeah.

01:01:48.800 Right, and that's where you're getting your peptides today.

01:01:52.220 You're getting them from one of those black market formulators, 1.00

01:01:56.380 And what, you know, we've made the argument, of course, there is resistance within, you know, EPA or FDA by some of the career people.

01:02:09.980 We've made the argument that they should, we should move them back into a category where they can be studied, where they're going to be, where we know what the source is.

01:02:22.100 They're coming from legitimate formulators who are getting them from FDA-inspected labs.

01:02:30.000 Those labs may be in India.

01:02:31.820 They may be in China or manufacturing facilities.

01:02:35.700 They're FDA-inspected.

01:02:37.740 And we think that's the most sensible way to do it and look for a safety signal.

01:02:42.400 And if there is one, then you move it.

01:02:44.720 But if there is not one, then you don't move it.

01:02:47.500 And that's the way the law is supposed to work, and we're trying to return it to that.

01:02:50.960 Last question for you, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on with us.

01:02:56.320 We're talking about the impact of the first year and a half as we come up on it of Trump.

01:03:01.840 What would HHS look like in your mind if Kamala Harris had won?

01:03:08.240 How much different would our health systems look and how much would the Maha movement in your mind be struggling immensely?

01:03:18.660 Can you contextualize how much of a difference there is just based on who ended up winning the election?

01:03:24.780 Well, I don't think that there was any impulse to change things.

01:03:31.860 And, you know, it's not just, I mean, we've dramatically changed the trajectory so that we're now focused.

01:03:39.080 NIH is doing research on vaccines, on the etiology of all these chronic diseases.

01:03:48.200 Where are they coming from?

01:03:50.520 Is it high fructose corn syrup?

01:03:53.000 We have no idea.

01:03:54.000 Why?

01:03:55.460 Because the Biden administration, nobody else ever did those studies.

01:03:58.580 It was regulatory malpractice.

01:04:00.640 Is it from the food dyes?

01:04:02.200 Is it coming from all these other ingredients?

01:04:04.400 What are the ingredients that are triggering chronic disease and destroying our metabolic health?

01:04:10.880 None of that was happening.

01:04:12.020 And now our agencies, FDA, CDC, HHS, are all laser-focused on finding out what's causing the epidemic

01:04:27.300 and then eliminating those exposures.

01:04:30.800 And there's other things.

01:04:32.040 I mean, the corruption in the agency.

01:04:34.220 The agency grew over the four years of the Biden administration by 38%.

01:04:39.120 And we had over 100 communications departments.

01:04:43.460 We had over 40 procurement departments.

01:04:45.680 We had 10 people doing every job.

01:04:48.700 And then they stopped doing program integrity.

01:04:53.200 So you saw South Florida, for example, where you are.

01:04:59.140 There's an entire racket that is run by the Cuban government of durable medical equipment,

01:05:04.580 And these companies are supposedly selling wheelchairs and knee braces, but all they have is lists of patients.

01:05:11.340 They charge Medicaid for them.

01:05:13.920 We found one hotel that had 129 rooms, and every one of them was a durable medical equipment company.

01:05:20.540 There are two times the number of durable medical equipment companies in South Florida as there are McDonald's.

01:05:28.900 And most of them don't sell anything.

01:05:30.760 They're just there to steal from the federal government. 0.96

01:05:33.740 And the Biden administration, when it came in, got rid of the program integrity department.

01:05:39.360 So we had no capacity to catch the fraudsters.

01:05:42.560 They cut it down from 80 people to six, all 50 states, six territories.

01:05:48.960 And it'll do some.

01:05:50.540 Mr. Secretary, this is all super important and super fast.

01:05:53.720 We are running into a hard break right this second.

01:05:55.860 So I have to say, please keep what you're doing and please come back and talk to us.

01:05:59.620 We would love to have you on.

01:06:01.000 You know, if you'd do a monthly update for this audience on what you're doing,

01:06:05.220 it's so important and there's so much to cover.

01:06:07.480 Thank you for what you're doing and thank you for being here.

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