Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 9 2026

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00:00:04.420 Welcome in, everybody.

00:00:05.680 Thursday edition of the Clay and Buck Show.

00:00:09.000 Let's dive into this, shall we?

00:00:11.060 We've got more on the Iran dealmaking negotiations underway.

00:00:15.920 A ceasefire in fits and starts, fits and pieces,

00:00:20.360 but more or less a ceasefire underway.

00:00:23.660 And we'll tell you where all of that is going.

00:00:27.420 I want to also get into some stories on the crime front here that are getting national attention.

00:00:33.560 Fraud, which is also a crime.

00:00:35.900 I meant violent crime, but fraud, a different kind of violation of law and what's going on out in California.

00:00:42.980 People need to know about this.

00:00:44.020 I think we talk sometimes about overspending and we talk about our massive welfare state.

00:00:50.440 We have almost a socialist redistribution through fraud scheme underway in a whole bunch of states. 1.00

00:00:58.680 Minneapolis got a lot of attention because of the predominantly Somali-American fraud that was occurring there. 1.00

00:01:05.480 But California, they're starting to turn over the rocks there to see what's underneath. 1.00

00:01:10.400 And oh, my, is there a lot of fraud.

00:01:13.300 Also, some Republicans trying to, while we're all very focused on Iran,

00:01:18.340 get a little sneaky with their Dignity Act, it is called.

00:01:23.120 I believe it even has a Spanish name that it is being promoted under.

00:01:27.740 So we will discuss where that is.

00:01:29.960 We'll be joined by Representative Brandon Gill of Texas on that one.

00:01:33.460 Spoiler alert, Representative Gill does not want amnesty

00:01:36.520 and does not want anyone getting sneaky with an amnesty bill by another name.

00:01:40.840 We'll discuss that with him, and we'll talk to Steve Yates, our national security guru,

00:01:47.360 on the latest situation here with the Iran negotiations.

00:01:51.560 Clay, let's hear, J.D. Vance has been given this.

00:01:54.320 Now, this is interesting to me on a few levels.

00:01:57.720 We'll get into some of the specifics in some of these J.D. soundbites.

00:02:00.440 As we know, in this New York Times article, which I do think that it's,

00:02:06.600 I would put my money on it's accurate, I obviously don't know,

00:02:09.260 But based on what the different characters are saying in the article and what I've heard from people that know the individuals involved and who have been in some of these conversations, it reads as true.

00:02:21.240 And it's very clear that J.D. Vance was the least enthusiastic about the Iran air campaign, Iran aerial war of anybody. 0.60

00:02:32.300 and now he's been assigned the task of trying to spearhead this ceasefire negotiation and turn it

00:02:39.780 into a a truce and armistice a long-standing agreement of sorts that we're not going to have

00:02:46.080 to do this anymore so vance first thing he's got to do here clay is clean up some of what has been

00:02:53.500 said already about this because it was looking pretty bleak yesterday with the 10 points this

00:02:58.940 is cut three here he is on the status of these negotiations play it you have some crazy people

00:03:03.880 at the fringes of the iranian system who are leaking anonymously either for propaganda purposes

00:03:09.220 or because they're embarrassed or because they don't like what happened and the final point when

00:03:13.480 i say they don't like what happened what we know is that the united states accomplished its military

00:03:17.600 objectives what we know is the united states could have imposed significant additional military and

00:03:23.000 economic costs on iran and still has the capacity to do so but we think thankfully at this point i

00:03:28.520 think have a ceasefire thanks to the leadership of the president united states we have the iranians

00:03:33.140 promising to open the straits of hormuz and we have a negotiation that's supposed to start this

00:03:37.580 weekend that's the truth i think it's a good first step we're going to see if we can make more

00:03:42.180 progress here in uh the days to come how are you feeling about all this clay today the day after

00:03:48.380 the big the big uh agreement came down look um i i think it ultimately comes down to we will know

00:03:57.200 based on ship traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, how these negotiations are going.

00:04:03.240 And it's what I said yesterday.

00:04:04.460 So far, ship traffic does not seem to be anywhere near normal rates of ingress and egress.

00:04:12.320 And until it is somewhat normal, I think it's hard to argue that things are normalized.

00:04:18.940 Now, right before we came on, there was news that Israel is going to have direct talks with Lebanon.

00:04:27.200 And that in theory, they may normalize relations. That seems like it would be a significant outcome here. Iran is saying that they expect the ceasefire to also encompass Lebanon. And that is an element of these negotiations.

00:04:44.340 There are reports that Trump called Netanyahu and said, hey, we need to have some negotiations underway to stop the bombing in Lebanon as well.

00:04:55.180 And so, you know, I'm kind of in the trust but verify stage of what to believe on the ceasefire.

00:05:02.340 And to me, then we will see when we see the traffic in the Strait of Hormuz.

00:05:10.000 And I tweeted about this, but I do think one thing is maybe significant.

00:05:15.360 I don't know if you would sign off on this either, but see what you think of this.

00:05:19.760 One thing that is being reported is that Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz.

00:05:24.940 Every article you see, particularly those that are negative in nature, they say, well, now Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz.

00:05:32.200 what i would say is iran has publicly announced basically that they are willing to enact

00:05:38.960 terrorism uh that is blow up boats in the strait of hormuz i would argue the use of the word

00:05:46.520 control is inaccurate there they are willing to engage in acts of terrorism we could blow up

00:05:52.640 threaten it more than they can control it yes we could blow up every boat in the entire strait

00:05:58.740 before moves in probably 10 minutes if we wanted to so could other countries we're not going to do

00:06:04.040 that and so um i do think the uh the argument of well they control things well i mean it's a

00:06:11.060 terroristic threat and i hope that it's not going to become a reality but again as we talked about

00:06:16.260 yesterday i think you have to uh apply rational actor theory here reasonable man theory as we

00:06:22.820 used to talk about back in the days in law school if i owned a hundred million dollar boat filled

00:06:27.480 with oil right now i'd be a little bit apprehensive about allowing that boat to go through the

00:06:33.140 straight of hormuz so until those individual boat owners uh and the corporations that run them and

00:06:39.660 the ceos that are in charge of them feel like their product and their uh and their uh boats

00:06:45.520 are safe then they're not going to move and so that will be the test to me of how much uh is

00:06:51.980 there actually a ceasefire that can be trusted going on i think we'll know by the weekend jd

00:06:57.440 also making it very clear this cut five that he feels like u.s and trump have all the cards here

00:07:06.280 and so this is a negotiation where we're going in with a couple of aces i don't really play cards

00:07:11.360 that would be good like a couple of aces is usually good right yes very good very good poker

00:07:15.120 hand right and they've got two of the two cards uh play five this is one of the things it's gonna

00:07:20.640 be one of the main subjects of negotiation is that we want Iran to not be able to make a nuclear

00:07:25.920 weapon. We want the nuclear fuel, which is something the president has made very clear.

00:07:30.300 And again, the way to think about this is the United States has certain demands and certain

00:07:34.920 things that we want. The Iranians have things they can get out of the negotiation. The more

00:07:38.860 that they're willing to give us, I think the more they're going to get things out of this

00:07:41.980 negotiation. The president's talked about sanctions relief. The president's talked about

00:07:45.520 economic uh partnerships and things like that that's not going to happen unless the iranians

00:07:51.400 make a firm commitment to stop anything close to the development of a nuclear weapon and frankly

00:07:57.420 the president has all the cards here we've got a lot of leverage we got a lot of things that we

00:08:01.640 can do but right now i think we're in a good spot i think we have better cards i don't think we have

00:08:07.480 all the cards i think that's a little i think that's a little bit more than than where the

00:08:11.560 situation is right now but more or less i think jd is is is on point with this do you think that

00:08:17.580 jd having been opposed to um these strikes and the iranians now presumably having read the new

00:08:26.500 york times article like we did uh which takes you into the deliberations about this uh this decision

00:08:33.360 could that help and second part here i would say i think the the leak of the article actually helps

00:08:40.500 trump some because people are saying and you and i know this is not true but critics are saying

00:08:45.120 oh he's a mad king right they're making like game of thrones analogies you can't trust him you have

00:08:50.500 no idea what's going around the the article about the discussion surrounding what to do with iran

00:08:56.720 was actually trump as board basically board uh chair going around the room asking everybody for

00:09:04.260 their opinions now if you uh want to argue well people are afraid of saying what they really

00:09:10.320 think once they know what trump is likely to do there's an element of that in all uh board room

00:09:17.500 discussions when you know what the ceo wants to do there's a lot of people who can get themselves

00:09:22.360 to justify it but iran knows that jd was not in favor of this action to me that seems like it

00:09:30.440 could be helpful to him in relationships you buy that do you think the iranian negotiators

00:09:36.260 negotiators knowing jd is not a hawk could actually make them more likely to deal with

00:09:42.960 them or do you even think it matters who the american negotiators are with jd and trump on

00:09:47.260 this issue you have a built-in good cop bad cop situation they both want you to sign the confession

00:09:54.160 but jd is like come on buddy help me out here i'll get you a cup of coffee like let's figure

00:09:58.740 this out whereas trump is like let's take him out back hit him with the truncheon show him who's

00:10:03.620 boss you know very different approach to this so yes i do think that there is a uh you know

00:10:09.820 what is it they used to say um plate i plomo i think a silver or lead in the cartels you know

00:10:15.820 it's like take our money or carrots and sticks carrots and sticks that's a good way another way

00:10:20.540 is mom and dad and it can be different depending on the situation but trump is definitely daddy

00:10:25.260 yeah but do you do you want me to have to tell my dad about this and by the way some of you out

00:10:29.680 there are going to be like do you want me to have to tell mom about this because sometimes mom is

00:10:33.320 the one that would that left will swing the sledgehammer harder uh when it comes to uh to

00:10:38.520 kids i wonder when the day will come when my son realizes that like he really wants to deal with me

00:10:43.760 oh he doesn't he doesn't want to escalate to carry laura is way tougher on the boys than i am

00:10:49.840 So it could be different depending on the family dynamics and also, by the way, what the kid has done.

00:10:56.280 But I do think J.D. is the kinder, gentler parent in this relationship and that he can actually say, do you really want me to take this back to Trump?

00:11:05.880 I mean, I'm just telling you, because ultimately it's Trump's decision on what the terms of any deal are.

00:11:12.880 But I do think the fact that J.D. was skeptical of the of the action in the first place might help him as the good guy in this negotiation discussion.

00:11:22.360 I think the Iranians are because it's public information.

00:11:25.380 I think they're savvy enough to know.

00:11:27.100 I think they're savvy enough to understand that J.D., he backs the president, of course, as his vice president.

00:11:34.540 But his heart isn't in more airstrikes like he doesn't want.

00:11:38.340 He really doesn't want that.

00:11:39.540 I feel like Trump's attitude is more, I'm giving you guys a chance here. 1.00

00:11:44.060 If I have to slap you around, Iran, I'll do it again. 1.00

00:11:46.940 But I really would rather not. 1.00

00:11:48.040 But J.D.'s like, look, we really don't want to have to use force again.

00:11:52.380 Let's actually get something workable for the big guy, meaning Trump,

00:11:56.060 and then we can all move forward and things can get better here.

00:11:59.320 So J.D.'s a perfect person to be involved in this,

00:12:03.020 and it's also bringing him into it in a way where he's not being false

00:12:07.280 to himself at all on this, you know what I'm saying?

00:12:09.540 he's getting a chance to end the war that he didn't want in the first place.

00:12:13.080 That's right.

00:12:13.520 And I think that's a strong place for him to be in.

00:12:16.040 And I think that Trump, it makes a lot of sense for him.

00:12:20.220 Look, I'm hopeful, too.

00:12:21.620 I'm going to say this to all of you. 0.99

00:12:23.220 I don't really want to be talking about Iran.

00:12:25.540 We're going to talk about some things here at home today on the show, too.

00:12:28.180 I'm going to make us get into some things that aren't Iran-related

00:12:30.620 because we've got to fix here in America.

00:12:33.520 And I know it's all the midterms, the midterms.

00:12:35.340 Yeah, but it's also the promise of Trump's second term.

00:12:37.660 it's we got to fix things here at home so the sooner we can get this buttoned up with iran

00:12:43.560 and agreed to in some way now i've said and i don't i haven't changed my mind i think they're

00:12:48.120 going to agree to agree to agree in the future so i think it's going to go two weeks and then

00:12:53.220 and then we're going to continue the ceasefire and then we're going to talk through the summer

00:12:56.460 and you know there might be that's what i think is going to happen here i don't think this is

00:13:00.140 going to be a quick fix um we'll see i would like i said clay i'd love to be wrong on this one i'd

00:13:05.720 of happy clay to to be correct and e or buck to be wrong on this one i will say and you know i love

00:13:14.820 watching the markets um s&p 500 and the dow are both reacting very positively so far now you can

00:13:23.100 say there was a sell-off before but they're both rapidly approaching all-time highs um and so uh

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00:14:58.020 Welcome back in.

00:14:59.280 Hour number two, Clay and Buck show.

00:15:01.800 We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

00:15:06.520 Decent optimism in the markets as the highs for the day are hit, as the ceasefire, which

00:15:15.020 remains fragile appears to be holding so far and it is worth noting that stocks are not very far

00:15:23.940 off of their all-time record highs just three and a half or so percent away from all-time record

00:15:32.500 highs so we will continue to monitor the peace talk and how everything is going there if there

00:15:40.020 is any major breaking news but buck i wanted to hit you with a positive news story uh and then

00:15:48.480 i wanted to hit you with a negative news story and i think they are both connected and i want

00:15:53.600 to get your thoughts on them let's start with the positive since i think in general i tend to be

00:16:00.260 pretty optimistic glass half full kind of guy um in washington dc our nation's capital in the 250th

00:16:08.700 anniversary year of our founding right now an extraordinary story is playing out that is

00:16:15.760 receiving almost no media attention whatsoever i mentioned it last night on sean hannity's

00:16:20.640 television show um and i have continued to track it with all of you for some time and that is buck

00:16:28.360 washington dc as i am speaking to you right now has seen a 68 percent decline in murders

00:16:37.980 in the city compared to last year i mean this is pretty crazy there have only been 12 murders

00:16:46.640 in washington dc so far this year now again as a show that loves life more than anyone

00:16:53.040 we wish that the murder rate in washington washington dc was zero but a 68 percent decline

00:17:01.720 from last year as we sit here in early april washington dc is on pace for the lowest recorded

00:17:10.880 murder rate that it has ever experienced in any of our lives this comes on the heels of 2025

00:17:17.560 being according to the fbi the safest year that we have ever seen when it comes to violent murders

00:17:26.440 in this country in the life of basically, unless you were born in 1899,

00:17:31.520 which I don't think anybody was, this is the safest year, and still alive anyway.

00:17:36.240 Some people were born in 1899.

00:17:38.640 This is the safest year that any of us alive have ever experienced in the United States.

00:17:43.300 Okay, so Buck, 68% decline in Washington, D.C.

00:17:46.880 Murders, almost no one is talking about it.

00:17:49.760 Why is that significant? 1.00

00:17:52.180 That is a positive.

00:17:53.280 We've seen the same kind of decline in Memphis.

00:17:55.500 here's the negative um arena zarutskas the uh innocent ukrainian refugee who came to this

00:18:05.260 country and was riding charlotte north carolina a beautiful young woman who fled the ukraine war

00:18:10.380 and was here working a job and trying to do things the right way and what she thought was

00:18:14.500 safe and welcoming america was murdered on charlotte public transit you've all seen the 0.85

00:18:23.740 video uh she's just sitting in the neck from behind yeah sitting there on the charlotte public 0.99

00:18:29.960 transit and never really has any idea that she's in danger a guy happens to be black stabs her from

00:18:38.160 behind and that guy had been arrested over 12 times i've seen reports of 12 i've seen reports

00:18:45.380 of 15 times and charlotte local charges they are now saying that he is not able to stand trial

00:18:54.480 for reasons of insanity and so they are not bringing forward and continuing the state charges

00:19:02.320 now federal they're saying they're going to continue to prosecute he is being prosecuted

00:19:07.420 on two different fronts state and federal charges but buck when i see this data we now have pretty

00:19:13.980 tangible evidence that if we commit the resources and if we allow police and all those supporting

00:19:21.680 police to do their jobs we can drive down murders even in the highest crime cities of america places

00:19:30.380 like washington dc which used to be the murder capital of the country and places like memphis

00:19:35.240 which did become the murder capital of the country if we provide the resources and support

00:19:41.700 we can drive down murders by 50, 60, nearly 70% this year in Washington, D.C.

00:19:49.360 But what we're seeing is, I'm afraid, in New York City, places like Charlotte,

00:19:55.820 blue cities across the country, certainly Chicago,

00:19:59.720 there is a refusal to just do the things that would save enormous amounts of life.

00:20:06.300 And on top of that, Buck, as you well know, but the data reflects,

00:20:09.500 overwhelmingly the lives saved they're going to be black because overwhelmingly and brown since

00:20:16.860 hakeem jeffries and others we're going to play that cut for you this hour want to talk about dei

00:20:22.260 black lives matter if black lives truly matter president trump has probably saved more black

00:20:29.220 lives in washington dc and memphis than any president ever has in the history of the office

00:20:35.580 and this to me is evidence that we can do this everywhere it's just do we have the will to do it

00:20:42.680 this if i were the trump team i would be focusing on this i would be selling it i would be saying

00:20:49.560 we want to drive down murders to even levels that people didn't think were possible and this is one

00:20:55.040 of our federal goals over the next couple of years is it an interesting when you think about 0.78

00:21:00.560 the amount of time that most of the democrat corporate media spent on how much black lives

00:21:09.160 matter during the 2020 2021 period george floyd the sanctification of saint george floyd uh they

00:21:18.900 cared so much we were all supposed to put up the black squares a lot of black lives are being saved

00:21:23.760 disproportionately you could say a lot of black lives are being saved by these trump policies

00:21:30.680 and let's understand what's really happening here you have federal law enforcement surging

00:21:35.600 resources federal prosecutors working to use the statutes that they already have at their disposal

00:21:42.460 to put away violent dangerous career criminals using the federal guidelines which by the way

00:21:49.620 There's no parole in the federal system, so they're locking up dangerous people.

00:21:54.240 And for the state and local level, they are co-locating, and my understanding, Clay, is

00:22:00.340 in Memphis, they're putting federal officers in squad cars, or whatever they call it, Memphis

00:22:06.740 PD, alongside Memphis PD, and so they're giving them additional manpower, additional

00:22:11.400 resources, access to the federal system when that's called for.

00:22:15.240 and you're just seeing law enforcement synergy

00:22:18.680 between federal and state and local

00:22:21.280 for the most important, highest profile stuff.

00:22:24.120 Okay, no one's getting thrown in prison forever

00:22:26.620 because they're smoking a joint on a corner

00:22:28.460 and all the libertarian fear-mongering from back in the day.

00:22:32.100 Sorry, libertarians.

00:22:33.740 We listened to you too much on some of this stuff.

00:22:36.100 It got way, way too far in the other direction.

00:22:39.320 And it works.

00:22:41.060 This stuff is working.

00:22:42.000 People are safer.

00:22:43.340 They feel better about their community.

00:22:44.960 They feel better about walking down the street.

00:22:47.440 Where is the media?

00:22:48.380 Why isn't CNN having roundtables on, hey, wow, what a great turnaround in D.C., amazing in Memphis?

00:22:55.820 Think of all the young black men of promise who will now grow up and can become dads and business owners

00:23:02.740 and productive members of their community who are alive because of this policy.

00:23:08.040 We all know why they're not doing it, though, Clay.

00:23:10.320 Yes.

00:23:10.620 Can't celebrate the saving of black lives if Donald Trump is going to get even a hint of the credit for it.

00:23:17.940 But doesn't that tell you whether they really care about these people?

00:23:21.260 Do the CNN multimillionaire anchors, do they care about black men from low-income communities in Memphis

00:23:29.640 and really the outskirts of southeast D.C. and then parts of Prince George's County, which is in Maryland?

00:23:37.940 That's where a lot of the violence had been happening traditionally.

00:23:40.620 So do they care?

00:23:41.480 They don't care, Clay.

00:23:42.540 It's all just a political foil to attack Trump.

00:23:45.780 That's what really matters to them.

00:23:47.440 It's pretty sick when you break it down, but I don't see a way,

00:23:51.120 I don't see a counter-argument that's compelling.

00:23:53.200 I think that's what we see.

00:23:55.740 I just, I look at this, and if we had an honest media,

00:24:02.500 if we had an honest, real quick,

00:24:04.320 this is working better than I even thought it would.

00:24:06.880 And I thought it was going to work bigly.

00:24:08.480 Sorry, go ahead.

00:24:09.100 Yes. No, I mean, if you had told me that we were going to be able to drive down murders in Washington, D.C. by 68 percent in front.

00:24:19.300 And by the way, they were low. We're talking about 2025, which was a low year for Washington, D.C. to begin with.

00:24:27.080 In other words, Trump's moves drove down the murder rates substantially last year.

00:24:33.080 So we're talking about an already low number, and we have since driven it down by 68%.

00:24:40.180 12 murders in Washington, D.C.

00:24:43.420 Memphis down, I think it's 50-some-odd percent from its highs.

00:24:49.040 Why on earth would we not roll out this nationwide?

00:24:55.120 What is it, around 20,000 people-ish die of murder every year in the United States?

00:25:00.860 you talk about the psychic impact um of the murders and what that does to communities

00:25:07.380 imagine if we could drive that number down nationwide to seven or eight thousand like

00:25:12.920 imagine if we could do to the nation what we have done for washington dc what that would mean for

00:25:19.320 everybody just in terms of safety imagine for all of you with daughters i mean just knowing that

00:25:24.580 they go for a jog in a neighborhood and that they're going to be fine you know i'm i'm fond

00:25:29.200 of saying this but it's because it's so we've run the experiment we've seen here what works and

00:25:34.820 doesn't work we know there's no other side to this we know i'm sorry libs that you're all wrong and

00:25:40.800 you've always been wrong on this but we know we have the results we have the data el salvador

00:25:46.140 should be talked about way more in this context for a country to go from on a per capita basis

00:25:53.220 a top three homicide place in the world to a top three safe place in the Western Hemisphere

00:26:02.640 in, what, five years, ten years, maybe on the, I mean, whatever timeline you want to

00:26:09.480 lay out, very rapidly, what did Bukele do in El Salvador? 1.00

00:26:14.840 Oh, you're a gang member, you're a predator in your community, you want to harm people, 0.90

00:26:19.300 you don't want to play by the rules, you go into a cell.

00:26:23.220 And it's only about 1% or less of the overall El Salvadoran community that is affected by that move.

00:26:30.380 So you can keep 99% of your population incredibly safe by being willing to incarcerate less than 1% of your population.

00:26:39.740 And we're not willing to do that?

00:26:41.500 And I haven't even gotten into, we need to be executing a lot more people and we should bring back firing squads in this country.

00:26:46.980 But that's a broader, that's a whole next level of the conversation.

00:26:50.700 We're a ways from there.

00:26:51.900 I hope we get back there as a nation, but certainly on incarceration,

00:26:56.980 we need to lock up more people for longer, actually,

00:26:59.160 but just lock up people that are actually doing really bad things.

00:27:02.240 This is the game they like to play.

00:27:03.920 Not people that walked in and took a photo of themselves on January 6th.

00:27:07.100 No, that's not what we should be doing.

00:27:09.500 20,000 murders, if we did to the nation what has been successful in Washington, D.C.,

00:27:16.960 We would take the numbers from 20,000 murders a year to 6,400.

00:27:22.680 That means you would have 13,600 lives saved every year.

00:27:28.460 Why wouldn't that be a huge story?

00:27:30.820 Why isn't that a completely compelling, achievable statistic based on what we have seen in Washington, D.C.?

00:27:37.940 And to Buck's point, if you want to look writ large, El Salvador, which was one of the most dangerous places in the world,

00:27:44.520 is now one of the safest places.

00:27:46.400 And just think of, leave aside for a moment, obviously the benefit of saving lives,

00:27:52.540 think about what that does economically for the country.

00:27:55.660 If we start eliminating violent crime, murders being, of course, the most violent crimes,

00:28:02.520 think about what it does for making neighborhoods safer, which allows businesses to thrive.

00:28:07.640 Think about what it does for overall, you know, just general growth of economic situations in the country.

00:28:18.380 It's transformative, and I think it's achievable.

00:28:21.620 And those are two things that often aren't combined together.

00:28:25.140 And I think we should be talking about more how consequential this potentially could be.

00:28:30.860 So we'll take some of your talk back, some of your calls, by the way.

00:28:33.480 Next hour, we're going to talk with Steve Yates.

00:28:35.540 I don't know if we mentioned this earlier, but Steve Yates is going to join us to talk about the situation in Iran.

00:28:41.240 And then at 2.30, Congressman Brandon Gill with what's going on on Capitol Hill and more.

00:28:46.300 All that's still to come, but that's next hour.

00:28:48.460 We'll take some of your calls and talkbacks in this hour.

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00:30:05.700 you're not just learning you're also laughing play and buck just preset them on the i-art

00:30:11.720 third hour of play and buck kicks off right now we're joined by our friend steve yates he is a

00:30:17.520 senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation,

00:30:20.380 the former senior national security official in White House.

00:30:25.920 And, Steve, you are in Seoul, South Korea right now.

00:30:29.920 You're joining us, I think it's like 3 a.m. there,

00:30:32.720 so you are a dedicated member of the Clay and Buck family.

00:30:36.600 You show up for us.

00:30:37.540 Thank you so much for that.

00:30:39.480 Feel free to, if you want to tell us anything about what you're doing in South Korea,

00:30:42.340 by all means.

00:30:43.020 But I want to first, if I could, put you in the situation of you are with, let's just say for a conversation, Vance Kushner Whitcoff in this Islamabad negotiation.

00:31:02.600 What are you expecting from the Iranians?

00:31:05.540 How are you going to leverage this situation? 1.00

00:31:07.880 How do you think this thing can and should be handled from our side?

00:31:13.020 Yeah, Buck, well, I don't envy the task. This is a very, very big challenge. The

00:31:19.300 remnants of the Iranian regime, I think our level of trust and implementation has to be very,

00:31:24.660 very low. So it's not just trust, but verify. But how about let's just verify. And I would say the

00:31:31.980 highest priority right now has to be free flow of goods out of the Gulf and through the Strait of

00:31:38.460 Hormuz. My first question, if I was there with them, I'd say, why are we in Islamabad?

00:31:43.020 And is there a reason why Pakistan is a particularly helpful angle in this conversation?

00:31:50.500 But I'd try to quickly get to that we have to get some verifiable benchmarks.

00:31:56.220 There's really no negotiation about that freedom of navigation point.

00:32:00.660 And I quickly try to bring in the equities of the United Arab Emirates and some other key allies who can and will bring some capabilities to the table.

00:32:08.840 and the minding of the nuclear facilities and the remnants of the regime,

00:32:13.560 the political stuff, that's going to take time.

00:32:15.740 And so I would put highest priority on what our ultimate national interest

00:32:19.740 has to be in the near term.

00:32:22.840 How optimistic are you that the overall situation,

00:32:28.620 let's say that right now we're sitting, you know, it's April 8th, April 9th.

00:32:33.300 By the time we get into May and by the time we get into June and people start to pay a little bit more attention to the midterms, how optimistic are you that we're going to be able to shift the overall story to what's going on back here in the country as opposed to externally Iran continuing to pop up and kind of take over the narrative?

00:32:56.200 In other words, can we get a solution that turns foreign policy into a significant but not primary focus of the midterms?

00:33:05.480 Because I think to a large extent, most people voting come November are going to be focused on what is going on directly here in the United States.

00:33:14.520 I think we have to get there.

00:33:16.660 And every every indication is the president is determined to do so.

00:33:20.700 But to get there, odds are pretty high that we're going to have to take some significant action somewhere along the way.

00:33:27.600 My strongest suspicion is that we're going to have to use the resources that are moving in that direction to absolutely demonstrate control over the waterways.

00:33:37.280 And I think that the other thing that we may end up having to do is we're going to have to demonstrate a willingness to strike again as more of a maintenance mode than a high tempo major military operation.

00:33:50.100 I think if the president and his team can navigate that de-escalation to maintenance with some burden sharing among allies that are really reliable, then I think that pivot to a necessary focus on home comes around that May time frame and maybe June at the latest.

00:34:07.640 How do you think the Israeli allies are looking at this situation, Steve?

00:34:13.180 What would you think is an acceptable outcome from their perspective?

00:34:18.100 How do they play into all this? Because we obviously still have the Hezbollah-Lebanon issue, and they're bringing that as part of the U.S. 0.92

00:34:25.840 Essentially, part of the U.S.-Iran negotiation is, hey, America, you've got to get Israel to play ball on the following thing.

00:34:33.140 So it's a multi-party card game here.

00:34:39.520 Yeah, well, I think that part of these negotiations have to be very clear that this is not two co-equal negotiating parties.

00:34:46.380 we're big and we won and you lost and we are negotiating the terms of your continued survival

00:34:52.920 we are generous and humane people in america and so we don't envy the idea of going after you to

00:35:00.220 total obliteration uh but make no mistake about it we are we are negotiating the terms of a surrender

00:35:07.340 and if we do anything less than that then uh you know there are going to be some unacceptable

00:35:12.320 outcomes here i think the gulf is one of those this whole lebanon thing is a really odd tell

00:35:17.580 by iran that it's actually them that is hezbollah why in the world would they care

00:35:23.000 about hezbollah if it wasn't really an arm of their own odious regime 0.65

00:35:27.260 who's making decisions from iran and uh i know the uh the gayatola my words not yours

00:35:35.780 a little mo also my words not yours has supposedly put out a statement there has been

00:35:41.600 attribution to him uh as in people saying hey this is the guy that is actually making decisions

00:35:48.460 do we buy that or do you think he is a convenient proxy to attach decisions to while other people

00:35:56.800 are making choices and are we even sure who's able to make choices on behalf of iran at this point

00:36:02.880 well first clay i support the idea of coming up with names i think we do that too little

00:36:08.340 in uh august foreign policy and it's useful political rhetoric uh number two uh this is

00:36:14.740 actually one of the hardest parts of this we have decapitated the regime a couple or three

00:36:19.420 layers down across a wide range of different elements of this uh this terror network and

00:36:25.740 so we have we have the problem of when the ceasefire is announced there's still other people

00:36:30.080 popping off probably because they don't have absolute centralized decision making at this

00:36:35.140 point. Until there's a real verifiable proof of life, I'm not even convinced the latest iteration

00:36:41.260 of the Ayatollah is calling any shots, more of that convenience you are mentioning. But there's 0.95

00:36:46.220 a separation between the theocratic forces, the military forces, the secret police forces. And

00:36:51.940 that I hopefully will, in the early parts of this negotiation, get some clarity about what's

00:36:56.980 happening across the board. And there's the small issue of 90 million people who are not really

00:37:01.500 represented by any of those institutions and we have to make sure we have some visibility and

00:37:06.560 maybe connectivity with that element of power in iran too speaking to steve yates he is a senior

00:37:13.000 fellow from the heritage foundation a former senior white house national security official

00:37:17.140 and steve you are in south korea um you can tell us if you want i don't know if it's super secret

00:37:24.040 squirrel you don't have to you can tell us what you're up to there because we're curious but also

00:37:27.920 So in terms of the, I was going to say the Asian view of this, really what I mean is the Chinese view of this situation in Iran.

00:37:36.040 What are their major takeoff?

00:37:38.000 I'm sure South Korea has some thoughts on all this, too, so you can weigh in on that.

00:37:42.040 What is the Asian point of view, East Asian point of view on this whole Iran mess as it stands?

00:37:49.780 Yeah, well, I did meet with the National Security Advisor here in South Korea, and I tried to keep in touch with similar level people in Japan.

00:37:56.340 These are very important economies to us, involved in very critical industries for us, and they are reasonably reliable allies when all things considered in what we are doing in the world.

00:38:09.420 They have obvious concerns about energy flows.

00:38:13.000 All of these economies are overly dependent on imports from the Middle East.

00:38:18.080 We have options in the not too distant future. If they say buy American, Alaska is an awesome opportunity with some investment on their part. And so there are some things there, but in the near term, energy, energy, energy. And the other part they are sensitive to is the strategic flexibility of our forces.

00:38:36.100 When we move things to surge in one part of the world where they came from, those allies become concerned.

00:38:43.120 North Korea popped off two short-range ballistic missiles while I was here.

00:38:47.600 It was a nice welcome they gave me, but nothing super strategic.

00:38:52.320 But they're still on alert about what could be done here while we are preoccupied in the Middle East.

00:38:59.220 China, I think it's a mixed bag.

00:39:01.100 The summit supposedly is still on.

00:39:02.980 I'd give it, you know, at least 50-50 chances of going as scheduled.

00:39:07.100 But for China, there's been a pretty profound deterrent message of America is not on decline.

00:39:12.780 And America will act if provoked and our national interests are engaged.

00:39:18.700 They are concerned that Japan has made very, very clear that if China were to move on Taiwan,

00:39:23.840 that it would be an impact on Japan's national interests they would have to respond to.

00:39:28.560 So there's a mixed bag there.

00:39:30.100 They hope that we're blowing up all of our ordinance in the Middle East so it's not available in the Indo-Pacific. 1.00

00:39:35.820 We have to focus on that.

00:39:36.780 But for now, I think that they have to take a step back and say, maybe we should negotiate a little more with Donald Trump.

00:39:43.480 Steve, I know you're talking about it.

00:39:46.180 We've been talking a lot about Iran.

00:39:47.980 There's actually really positive news coming out of Venezuela as things seem to have calmed down substantially there.

00:39:55.180 And the implications for Cuba have moved to a back burner, too.

00:39:59.380 But what do you see happening in Venezuela? What do you see happening in Cuba? And how overall could that impact not only what might happen in the Middle East, but also China and the larger geopolitical climate?

00:40:11.480 well the the venezuela situation i think is a real positive so far uh as with everything in the in

00:40:19.500 the world we can always take only take the trajectory we're on and there's no guarantees

00:40:23.960 about things continuing to work we're still actually dealing with the remnants of a regime

00:40:28.000 that had been quite problematic for a long time but i think bonald trump got their attention

00:40:32.080 uh and so far they are behaving the right way and the resource equation is getting much much better

00:40:37.200 So we have much better options in our hemisphere. And I think the administration is determined to put the pedal to the metal in that regard. That gives us much safer, more resilient supply chains. That makes America and our neighbors more safe, secure and powerful. That gives us better, more safe options when trying to deal with change agents like China and other parts of the world.

00:40:58.760 So I see that as conducive to what we're trying to do to get to the great game, which is to contain the malign influences of China and beat them in every way, shape or form on economy to space and technology. 0.98

00:41:12.120 What should we do with Cuba? 0.97

00:41:14.080 You know, Trump talks about it as something thrown into the mix here.

00:41:18.760 It's not.

00:41:19.360 Obviously, it's a much smaller country than what we're dealing with in the case of Iran or even Venezuela.

00:41:25.860 But it's very close.

00:41:27.080 I mean, I feel like I could swim there from here. Probably not, but maybe Clay could. It's not far. So what do you think? What should we do?

00:41:36.580 Well, I hear there's sharks in those waters, so I'd advise against making the swim. But it is near. I think that the president is relatively on track on just keeping the pressure and inducements in place to see if there's something less than the Venezuela model available to push that towards transition.

00:41:56.060 The demonstration effect of Venezuela has to have some impact.

00:42:00.360 The demonstration effect of going after the cartels in Mexico has to have some effect.

00:42:04.720 Do those two things well, and maybe we get a change in Cuba more by evolution than our having to go in and do it in a kinetic way.

00:42:13.780 I think that's far preferable, although I would love to see the day when all those Cubans in your near abroad are singing and dancing in the streets of Havana again.

00:42:22.260 sounds good to me steve yates good to see you my friend get some sleep go save uh go save the

00:42:29.040 world over there in south korea thank you thank you thank you clay it's gonna be uh it was great

00:42:36.480 uh we'll see what happens but i do think cuba on the back burner here is maybe one that we get a

00:42:42.380 resolution in some way sooner rather than later um we'll update you by the way press conference

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00:44:34.740 back into clay and buck as we've been saying to you we're focusing here today a lot more

00:44:38.800 while the ceasefire negotiations are underway with Iran,

00:44:43.880 back on the home front, which is what matters most to us.

00:44:47.320 And something that happened that it was kind of hard to believe

00:44:50.500 that this is what some members of Congress are focused on,

00:44:52.800 but the Dignidad, as in Spanish for Dignity Act of 2025,

00:44:59.800 was introduced by Congresswoman Salazar,

00:45:03.480 got some bipartisan votes, goes through a whole bunch of stuff,

00:45:07.780 And by the way, she's I think the district right next to the one that I live in 1.00

00:45:11.560 I have, my congresswoman Clay is 1.00

00:45:14.860 The hat wearer 0.92

00:45:16.620 Yes, the lady, the cowboy hat

00:45:18.580 The Democrat, I can't remember her name right now 0.98

00:45:20.720 I should remember her name

00:45:22.060 She's my congresswoman, I work in politics kind of 0.99

00:45:24.540 But I'll remember in a second

00:45:26.160 But Frederica Wilson, there we go, Frederica Wilson

00:45:29.080 But anyway, the Dignidad Act got brought up here

00:45:34.380 congressman gill out of texas does not like the dignidad act and has had some public statements

00:45:41.840 about how it looks a whole lot like amnesty uh congressman gill great to have you on the show

00:45:46.180 thanks for calling in uh you're actually can i i just want to play for you first what this was

00:45:52.140 from uh july of 25 so it's a little bit a little ways back but this is what representative salazar

00:45:58.780 was saying then on local news here in miami about the dignidad act play five this is cup 15

00:46:05.840 we give them dignity at some point in the future another legislator will write another law to give

00:46:12.380 them path to citizenship right now what we need to do is to buy peace for these people allow them

00:46:18.120 to stay to continue working because they are needed congressman gill uh i don't i don't know

00:46:24.860 it sounds to me like how about we just deport the illegals and enforce the law what's going on here

00:46:29.600 well thanks for having me on yeah the last people that i want to buy peace for are the people who

00:46:35.900 broke our laws and shouldn't be here to begin with i want to buy peace for the americans whose

00:46:41.120 jobs have been taken by illegal aliens whose wages have been suppressed buy peace for the

00:46:46.180 mothers whose children who have been slaughtered by fentanyl because we've had open borders for 0.93

00:46:50.980 many years. Those are the people we ought to be focused on. And we ran an election last cycle

00:46:56.640 on a platform of mass deportations. And remember, there was nothing subtle about it.

00:47:02.080 We were holding up mass deportation fines at the RNC, as we all remember. That's how we got a 0.89

00:47:08.680 trifecta and the president won the popular vote. So to turn around and start pushing an amnesty

00:47:15.320 bill. And that's what this is. This is amnesty, plain and simple. The Dignidad Act is a bill that

00:47:21.800 would allow 12 million illegal aliens who are currently in the United States and subject to

00:47:26.560 deportation to be given legal status and stay here. It would hamstring the president's ability 0.97

00:47:32.000 to deport more illegal aliens on top of that. And it would allow illegal aliens who were previously 0.98

00:47:37.620 deported under Trump's first administration to come back into the United States if they meet

00:47:42.820 certain criteria so this is a grotesque betrayal of everything we ran on i'm kind of shocked we're

00:47:50.640 even talking about it but here we are and that's why i've been fighting so hard to kill this bill

00:47:55.780 you're a young guy i'm guessing that you want to work a lot are you frustrated with the schedule

00:48:03.260 in the house and the senate that it feels like you guys are never in session and not passing

00:48:09.280 very many bills. It has to be infuriating. It's extremely infuriating. I mean, I ran for office

00:48:17.680 so that I could fight for my district and the people of Texas and actually get real legislation

00:48:23.240 done. But in order to do that, you got to be in session. I mean, we should have been in session

00:48:28.040 this week whenever DHS isn't funded. We should be working on a reconciliation bill to fund it,

00:48:34.960 to do other conservative priorities, and we're not,

00:48:39.080 and it has been extremely frustrating.

00:48:41.720 So, yes, of course we should be there.

00:48:43.660 We shouldn't be in Washington pushing amnesty bills,

00:48:46.300 but we should be in Washington funding mass deportations.

00:48:50.520 So, I mean, this is a, they call it a path to citizenship.

00:48:54.100 It's amnesty, because we've gone through this before,

00:48:56.980 back to the Dignidad Act here.

00:48:59.280 We've gone back to this before with the Reagan amnesty, unfortunately,

00:49:03.300 which had all these enforcement mechanisms and oh you have to prove this and prove that and

00:49:07.220 no just everybody who was here illegally was made was made permanent and there were people

00:49:13.100 court cases going on 15 years later with people saying oh no i was covered under this too right

00:49:18.020 so it just creates a huge mess people should know about by the way that whenever you whenever you

00:49:23.700 try to create one class of amnesty there's going to be all these people that then sue and they want

00:49:28.500 to be in that class and there's going to be legislation that make the class bigger the whole

00:49:32.120 thing becomes a total mess but Brandon you're in Congress why are Republicans any Republicans 0.87

00:49:38.660 in the midst of I might add a lot of focus on what's going on in Iran right now or has been

00:49:46.000 going on recently why would they put something like this it feels kind of sneaky like we have

00:49:51.360 Republicans voting on this right now what's going on you know it's amazing that this has even come

00:49:58.280 up. And I can't speak to the motives of, you know, Maria is a friend, Mike Lawler, who's defended

00:50:03.360 this bill as a friend, their colleagues, I can't speak to their motives. But what I can say is

00:50:08.840 there still is an element in our party who is just handicapped by big business interests who

00:50:17.060 want mass migration, who want more cheap labor flowing across our border constantly, and would

00:50:23.360 love to see illegal aliens being being given amnesty because that just means cheaper labor

00:50:28.680 and bigger profit margins for them whether it's big agribusiness or big uh big whatever else and

00:50:34.880 those are the interests that i think we should be very aware of and know that they're not the

00:50:40.060 ones who are voting for us they're not the ones that we represent we represent the people in our

00:50:44.560 district whose lives are being transformed whose neighborhoods are unrecognizable now because of

00:50:51.200 open borders and mass migration. Those are the people who elected President Trump back in 2015

00:50:56.880 and again in 2020 and again in 2024. Those are the ones that we ought to be looking out for.

00:51:02.780 So the idea that we should, again, even be discussing amnesty, and amnesty is the program

00:51:09.980 that gives the left political power. I mean, the left feeds on illegal immigration as their path

00:51:17.280 to power. The idea that we would in any way go along with that is nuts. And by the way,

00:51:23.180 it is a massive and unforgivable betrayal of our voters who elected us to do the opposite.

00:51:29.600 You know, if we went down this path, it would tear the Republican Party in two.

00:51:34.840 And it would be we would be dealing with this 10 years, 15 years down the road.

00:51:40.760 How do you think James Tallarico is going to do in November?

00:51:42.800 uh you know i i am i have supported uh ken paxton but i think regardless of of who gets the

00:51:51.780 republican nomination they're going to beat talarico i mean you got a guy who has talked

00:51:56.960 about god being non-binary about how transgenders need abortion care about how the bible gives

00:52:05.140 you know has biblical justification for abortion i mean you have a guy who just regurgitated every

00:52:11.560 weird woke aphorism that the left came up with over the past several years and now it's great

00:52:17.720 to see that all of that is is being exposed i mean the people of texas don't want uh some kind 0.80

00:52:23.760 of weird you know weirdo fake pastor uh who who wants transgenders in their little kids schools

00:52:30.940 as their senator i mean we just want like a normal conservative to represent us uh so i i don't think 0.79

00:52:38.000 talarico has a chance with that said we've got to make sure that our people turn out to vote in

00:52:43.540 november um and that we do get to the polls to make sure that he doesn't uh doesn't gain any

00:52:49.180 traction congressman gill appreciate you joining us from texas thanks for calling in today

00:52:55.080 hey thanks for having me

00:52:58.660 clay i think well no i was just looking i'm looking at my quad box melania trump is speaking uh relating

00:53:07.100 to the epstein uh situation it is now being covered by cnn and msnbc not by fox news i don't

00:53:16.900 know what i'm trying to monitor it we'll give you she just finished we'll give you some takes on

00:53:22.080 that and maybe some clips um because this is i was not expecting a press conference uh from the

00:53:28.340 first lady at all much less one on the epstein case so we will talk about it when we come back

00:53:33.980 i think we're partnering with americans for prosperity this spring on their one small step

00:53:39.040 initiative this is all about preserving the values our nation was founded upon this is the right time

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00:53:49.660 isn't finished it's still being written by us america's founding principles still matter and

00:53:55.300 some would say they matter now more than ever we're talking about the six principles that built

00:53:59.880 this country dignity freedom opportunity the rule of law limited government and civic duty

00:54:04.720 that's what's made america the greatest nation on earth and it's what will keep it that way

00:54:08.560 one small step is about turning belief into action because you not politicians not bureaucrats in

00:54:14.500 washington you are the one who keep this cut you are the ones who keep this country strong

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