Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 14 2025

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00:00:04.780 Welcome in Thursday edition.

00:00:07.140 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:08.820 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

00:00:10.700 We've got a loaded program coming for you.

00:00:13.640 Howard Kurtz from Fox News.

00:00:15.560 Carol Markowitz from New York Post.

00:00:17.680 And the Clay and Buck Podcast Network.

00:00:19.380 And then the governor of Alaska, Mike Dunleavy.

00:00:22.700 Not the former basketball player.

00:00:24.720 I don't think.

00:00:25.520 I don't think he's doing double duty.

00:00:26.620 Um, he will be, uh, with us as we look towards the eve of the Trump-Putin meeting in Anchorage,

00:00:35.160 Alaska that is scheduled for tomorrow.

00:00:37.340 I'm sure there will be much discussion of that both today and tomorrow.

00:00:41.760 But we told you this on Monday.

00:00:44.980 Trump came out at, I believe it was 10 a.m. East Coast time on Monday.

00:00:49.900 And said, crime is out of control in Washington, D.C.

00:00:53.480 And I'm going to marshal as many federal resources as necessary to help stop that from being a reality.

00:01:00.460 Uh, he was fed up with what he was seeing.

00:01:03.100 We now are on day four of Trump dominating the news cycle.

00:01:08.740 And the news cycle being Democrats arguing, hey, crime isn't actually that bad.

00:01:15.960 And meanwhile, almost everybody else is saying, actually, yeah, it is really bad.

00:01:22.860 And why are you opposed to making crime better than it is right now?

00:01:28.120 And I just want to play a couple of cuts here, Buck, to get you started for the day.

00:01:32.980 This is, and I want to give credit before I play him, by the way.

00:01:37.060 We have finally reached a bridge to lunacy that Joe Scarborough will not take to defend left-wing talking points. 0.54

00:01:46.160 Perhaps embarrassed, chastened by his, uh, his ridiculousness as it pertains to Joe Biden. 0.76

00:01:52.800 Uh, he is actually making some sense.

00:01:55.320 But first, the people who are not making sense.

00:01:58.700 Chuck Schumer, he of the, hey, I like to cook hamburgers on a grill.

00:02:03.780 Now, awkward, uh, increasingly without power in the Senate, terrified that AOC is going to challenge him.

00:02:12.380 He says, I feel perfectly safe in D.C., uh, and this is all just an Epstein distraction flailing Chuck Schumer cut three.

00:02:22.260 I walk around all the time.

00:02:23.560 I wake up early in the morning sometimes and take a nice walk as the sun is rising around some of the Capitol and the other monuments and things.

00:02:31.580 And I feel perfectly safe.

00:02:33.120 They're full of it.

00:02:33.920 Look, here's what they've done, Aaron.

00:02:35.540 Plain and simple.

00:02:37.220 Donald Trump wants to distract.

00:02:39.300 That's his game plan.

00:02:40.640 It's been his M.O. for his first term in the presidency and now.

00:02:44.580 So he's trying to make this a distraction.

00:02:46.780 What's he trying to distract from?

00:02:48.300 Well, a lot of things.

00:02:49.380 But above all, Epstein.

00:02:50.860 We've been confronting him on Epstein very successfully, uh, left and right.

00:02:55.880 So much so that Johnson had a dismiss, you know, had to send his, uh, the house, uh, home early.

00:03:02.680 And we called it the Epstein recess.

00:03:06.120 Okay.

00:03:07.160 This is desperate, primarily because Democrats were in power for four years and did nothing at all, by and large, relating to Epstein.

00:03:15.820 Epstein has, has started to vanish as Trump has, I think, tried to marshal as much public release of data as he possibly can.

00:03:25.340 Um, and Democrats are now buck in the position of arguing.

00:03:29.540 The first part of this is what I thought was interesting.

00:03:32.560 Chuck Schumer saying, I get up early in the morning and I walk around, uh, the Capitol.

00:03:36.600 First of all, I question how often this happens.

00:03:38.740 Maybe hopefully he's out for walks and he's a very healthy guy, but I don't think most people are saying, Hey, it's 6 a.m.

00:03:45.940 It's deadly necessarily to go walk along beside the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial.

00:03:52.080 Uh, I think even Chuck Schumer would have to realize that much of the issue related to crime is in residential areas.

00:03:58.840 Um, and this is kind of a flailing nature that they're in right now.

00:04:04.320 They're telling people to not believe what they see with their own eyes.

00:04:08.700 Crime is bad.

00:04:09.400 And I think everybody out there recognizing it and Trump trying to make it better is actually just a good thing and not particularly political.

00:04:16.900 It's also remarkable that the fallback now has turned into, well, we're doing such a good job as Democrats on the Epstein thing.

00:04:26.240 Yeah, that's the big, that's the big attack.

00:04:28.520 That's what they're going after the administration on just to note, uh, something they didn't care about at all while Joe Biden for four years for four years.

00:04:36.820 Yeah.

00:04:36.940 There was absolutely no discussion whatsoever from them about Epstein.

00:04:40.300 Epstein, and yet here we are now being told that any, so, so anything that Trump wants to talk about that they don't want to talk about now, their go-to is he just wants to distract from Epstein.

00:04:51.660 I think that's a very-

00:04:52.700 Saving people from being murdered in order to distract from Epstein, I would argue would even be, even if it were true, I would actually argue that's good.

00:05:01.420 You know, Epstein's dead, um, and, uh, not committing, to my knowledge, any current crimes.

00:05:06.440 I'd rather protect people from current crimes as opposed to focus on past ones personally.

00:05:11.440 So even that argument is a weak one when you actually break it down in that respect.

00:05:17.280 Yeah, I, I think that the whole Democrat party is desperate for anything that they can say right now that just seems like they're even in, in opposition because there's nothing they can really pull, uh, there's nothing they can really pull together.

00:05:31.420 That will hit hard against where Trump currently is.

00:05:34.280 I would note that on, um, uh, on the crime issue, you've had a, a, a number of people come out, come forward here.

00:05:43.400 Here's my, my, uh, my old friend, S.E. Cup, actually, I wanted to play this one.

00:05:47.240 Uh, she, she used to do the real new show with me at the blaze many years ago at Glenn Beck's, uh, the blaze.

00:05:52.800 And, and she had this to say at CNN to the Democrats, to their faces, play seven.

00:05:57.940 The numbers can be what they are, but also people don't feel that way.

00:06:01.680 And when it comes to two things, crime in the economy, feelings don't really care about your facts. 0.97

00:06:06.560 And I can't tell you how profoundly stupid it is for Democrats to get up with their facts and their figures and their charts and their graphs and say, look, you're safe. 1.00

00:06:14.960 Can't you read this chart, idiots? 1.00

00:06:17.040 Why are you complaining? 1.00

00:06:18.360 I'm showing you right here how safe you are. 0.99

00:06:20.580 So shut up and move along. 0.98

00:06:23.640 Yeah, it doesn't work. 0.99

00:06:24.880 Tough argument.

00:06:25.260 And that's what they're trying.

00:06:26.040 And I give credit, you wanted to play, uh, S.E. Cup there.

00:06:29.380 This is, there's actually quite a few people on the left that are saying, you know what, again, this is a bridge too far.

00:06:36.600 Joe Scarborough, who basically proved he didn't have a gag reflex as long as Joe Biden was president, even he now is saying, look, D.C. is really dangerous.

00:06:46.500 And on MSNBC, they have that, uh, panel show, the morning Joe that you watch, Buck.

00:06:52.340 I've watched this clip.

00:06:53.320 There's like eight people that are all there in like tiny little boxes.

00:06:56.860 They have this huge, uh, ensemble cast.

00:06:59.600 And Scarborough's just lecturing everybody. 0.97

00:07:02.980 Actually, Trump's right about how violent the crime situation is.

00:07:06.520 And I don't think this is playing very well.

00:07:08.780 Here's cut eight.

00:07:09.840 This is what they heard on MSNBC.

00:07:11.760 The answer to this, this, this problem for Democrats is not, oh, everything's okay.

00:07:17.740 There's nothing to see here.

00:07:19.640 Move along, move along.

00:07:21.380 Oh, Washington has dropped 24% or whatever in crime that, uh, well, let me give you some other numbers.

00:07:29.140 The Washington Post took a poll at late April, early May.

00:07:33.780 Ninety-one percent of Washington residents say crime is a problem.

00:07:39.900 Ninety-one percent.

00:07:42.420 Fifty-one percent.

00:07:44.200 It is an extremely serious problem.

00:07:47.940 There are stark divides among lines of race and income in the poll, with black residents and lower-income residents significantly more worried about crime than white residents and those with higher incomes.

00:08:06.360 I think that's actually well said by Joe Scarborough.

00:08:09.660 The base of the Democrat Party actually feels the crime that is poor black voters in a way that the left-wing, uh, media that lives in Northwest D.C. 0.78

00:08:24.480 and oftentimes has private security protecting them is a bit protected from this.

00:08:30.520 And this ties in with what Harry Enten is saying.

00:08:33.260 Uh, this is CNN that he thinks this is a total miscalculation by Democrats, too.

00:08:38.560 And, again, trying to reduce violent crime is something, historically, that almost all Americans have been in favor of.

00:08:45.280 Cut six.

00:08:46.000 Look at where Donald Trump is.

00:08:47.920 Way, way, way above Joe Biden.

00:08:50.720 What is that?

00:08:51.080 That's 27 points.

00:08:52.680 So Americans vastly prefer Donald Trump's approach to crime than they did to Joe Biden's.

00:08:58.100 And, again, I think it gets back to the point that Americans are far more hawkish on crime than a lot of Democrats want to admit.

00:09:04.320 This isn't just about Donald Trump.

00:09:06.420 It's about Republicans versus Democrats, right?

00:09:09.080 And that, of course, is a key question going into next year's midterm election.

00:09:13.060 I think the party closest to your views on crime.

00:09:15.600 Look, in 2023, Republicans were favored by 13 points.

00:09:18.580 Look at where they were in May of this year.

00:09:20.800 Republicans were actually favored by 16 points.

00:09:22.840 They actually gained ground on crime.

00:09:25.560 They were maintaining their edge and actually added a little bit to it.

00:09:28.480 So Republicans in the House, Republicans in the Senate, they absolutely want to be talking about crime.

00:09:33.960 The more they feel that we're talking about crime, the better they feel that the electoral landscape is for them.

00:09:38.680 Are you surprised that this has been the Democrat position, that actually crime's getting better and that Trump, I mean, if they had come out and said, hey, he's exceeding his presidential authority, we don't like that.

00:09:51.680 But to argue, hey, crime's actually down and there's no need for this, it feels like an own goal shooting themselves in the foot, even within lenient standards, because Democrats do that a lot.

00:10:03.920 I'm kind of surprised that they stepped right into this bear trap.

00:10:07.380 I guess they just don't really have any sense of how to pivot from something that Trump is on and come up with a better or their own version of how to fix it.

00:10:20.900 Because to me, that would be they could come out and say, well, this isn't for the president to do, but we should have more resources for.

00:10:27.840 Now, I think the response to that would likely be something along the lines of, yeah, we've been trying that whatever they're going to say has probably been tried before and failed for a long time.

00:10:39.040 And I think that they're going to be in trouble no matter what.

00:10:41.860 But they have turned something that you would think would be a more minor issue into a much larger, much longer term issue, which I find surprising.

00:10:50.260 And the lack of political foresight that they have here, they've given Trump the news cycle this whole week to the point where, as we said, Chuck Schumer is saying it's because he doesn't want to talk about Epstein.

00:11:01.700 But how long are they going to be pulling that one off?

00:11:03.260 That doesn't work.

00:11:04.100 And also to look at the numbers, the crime numbers, they initially kept comparing it to 2023, comparing the drop in crime to the year that had the single nationwide largest increase in homicides in 60 years looks really disingenuous to anybody who understands numbers and statistics.

00:11:24.100 So they're having problems all over the place.

00:11:26.920 Well, I also think Scarborough's point is well taken.

00:11:29.260 I mean, a Washington Post poll, what did he say, 91% of D.C. residents say crime's a problem.

00:11:34.980 And I think he said 56% said it was an incredibly significant problem.

00:11:40.060 You can't lie to people about what they feel.

00:11:44.660 Eventually, you can address the underlying concerns.

00:11:48.660 I'll give you an example on this right now.

00:11:50.640 The economy is getting better under Trump.

00:11:53.100 But I also understand that explaining to people that the economy is getting better is sometimes challenging because it takes a while for the national economic mood to shift and reflect what people are actually seeing.

00:12:10.140 I think some of you are feeling it.

00:12:11.740 Gas prices are down relative to where they have been.

00:12:15.540 Grocery prices, according to the most recent producer price index numbers, actually coming down.

00:12:23.080 And so the challenge, I think, is prices went up so fast that things still cost more than people think they should.

00:12:30.520 But we are rectifying this issue in many different ways.

00:12:35.960 It's just taking a little while.

00:12:37.400 And again, Trump has commandeered the national news cycle now for four days over.

00:12:42.100 He wants to bring down violent crime.

00:12:44.020 And Democrats have mostly said violent crime is not that much of an issue.

00:12:48.160 And now, starting tomorrow, all of the news cycle through the entire weekend is going to be reacting to Trump and Putin and what is likely to be occurring based on that relationship.

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00:15:16.260 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show rolling through the Thursday edition of the program.

00:15:22.680 Lots of reaction rolling in to Pink Polo and his subway attack assault on an officer.

00:15:31.060 But I do think it's somewhat representative of a certain left-wing response to increased police officers in D.C.

00:15:41.100 There are protests now that are developing against police officers being able to protect people from being murdered.

00:15:49.660 And I just, I look at this, and I do think, Buck, what Trump kind of is brilliantly exploiting in some way is the disconnect from the people who are the limousine liberal universe, as Rush would call them, who typically have their own private security.

00:16:09.700 They have their own universe that tends to be far safer, where the rules are enforced and law is respected.

00:16:17.660 And then most of those people, by the way, live in Northwest D.C., which, for those of you who don't know, is by far the wealthiest part of the Washington, D.C. area.

00:16:27.820 And then there's all the other people who tend to live in Southeast and live in a lawless, in many ways, society, and they're begging for help, and Trump is giving it to them.

00:16:39.300 And the Pink Polos of the world are furious that there are police officers out on the streets. 1.00

00:16:45.820 I do think that that video that has gone mega viral is somewhat evocative of that disconnect, because, in general, I think it represents, like,

00:16:57.480 if you have that level of disrespect for a police officer, it's probably because you don't feel personally threatened by violence.

00:17:07.360 And that's the only reason I can think of why you're screaming at a police officer standing on the street trying to enforce the law.

00:17:14.820 But I do think the Joe Scarborough commentary and that video just really kind of illustrate, in a very quick manner,

00:17:24.740 what Trump has pointed out, which is most people on the left don't actually care about violence because it doesn't impact their daily life.

00:17:33.800 Yeah, and they recognize that the Republicans have staked out, for a long time now, the position of,

00:17:40.160 we do need to just enforce the law, we need to back police, and we need to incarcerate people, or none of this stuff gets better.

00:17:46.320 And every time they're able to have it their way, or every time that experiment is run with that in mind, things do get better, things do improve.

00:17:55.300 So we own this territory, so to speak, as Republicans and Democrats don't want to cede ever that we are correct.

00:18:03.360 It's stubborn. It's a bit of bitterness, too, thrown in there.

00:18:06.680 And as you say, it's because so many of these people, and it was like, I was taking some shots at, what was this, George Will with the bow tie the other day?

00:18:15.740 Yeah.

00:18:16.080 Lives in Chevy Chase.

00:18:18.080 Chevy Chase is not D.C., D.C., right?

00:18:20.780 I mean, this is like people, there are areas I've been to, suburbs of Baltimore, beautiful.

00:18:26.780 People have, like, farms, and I mean, it's lovely.

00:18:29.180 You know, it's really nice.

00:18:30.360 That's not Baltimore, even if it's Baltimore County, whatever it is, right?

00:18:34.120 So a lot of people, I think, that weigh in on this stuff, too.

00:18:37.580 They say, as a New Yorker, I'm particularly sensitive to this.

00:18:40.440 People say, oh, you know, I think New York is really safe.

00:18:43.360 I'm like, where do you live?

00:18:44.980 Chappaqua.

00:18:46.680 You don't know.

00:18:48.060 You know nothing.

00:18:49.120 Yeah.

00:18:49.580 Where do you live?

00:18:51.080 Scarsdale.

00:18:51.860 Yeah.

00:18:52.400 I'm like, Scarsdale's safe.

00:18:54.400 I'm not worried about Scarsdale.

00:18:55.600 But, you know, go spend some time in the South Bronx and talk to me about how safe the city is.

00:18:59.240 Although New York, Manhattan is pretty safe for a large city.

00:19:04.920 Boston, I believe, is a good bit safer for a sizable city.

00:19:09.480 So there's really substantial differences here when you look at it.

00:19:15.100 I was surprised.

00:19:15.640 Houston's actually got more of a crime.

00:19:17.300 You don't hear about it a lot.

00:19:18.520 I was looking at some of the stats.

00:19:19.660 Houston has a rougher time with crime, with homicide specifically and shootings than I had anticipated.

00:19:26.780 It doesn't get a lot of news coverage, but that was another city, because obviously one of the biggest cities in the country that came up that definitely needs some help.

00:19:33.680 I think they have a Soros DA, or at least they used to.

00:19:36.000 One of the challenges on the data is where I live is Williamson County, right?

00:19:42.120 I think south of Nashville.

00:19:44.400 I think, I don't know, there's like 300,000 people or something who live in my county.

00:19:48.820 Basically, it's Nashville.

00:19:51.080 There's a murder rate essentially here of zero.

00:19:53.940 There might have been one or two murders in the whole county in a year.

00:19:58.040 And so one of the challenges you get into, to be fair, on some of this data is some cities only count a certain part of the city, and it could be a big sprawling metropolis.

00:20:08.260 And so I wonder on Houston, which is the fourth biggest city in the country, right?

00:20:13.660 It's a huge, sprawling metropolis.

00:20:15.940 That's why I think the New York data is so interesting, because New York City has, what, 8 million people who live in the five boroughs of New York City, if I'm not mistaken, roughly.

00:20:26.560 And you compare that 8 million with the 700,000 or so that live in D.C., and D.C. per capita is out of control.

00:20:34.700 Now, some people would say, well, if you count Montgomery County and you count Arlington and all the surrounding areas, D.C. would look a lot less violent than it does when you only count the District of Columbia by itself.

00:20:48.960 So, for instance, Shelby County, where Memphis is, is insanely violent.

00:20:54.640 But if you counted all of the surrounding metropolitan area of Memphis, it would dial back some of the violence a little bit.

00:21:00.680 So, my point on that is sometimes the data isn't entirely illustrative of the full picture.

00:21:07.200 But I do think D.C., which exists in this unique world where it's just a federal district, to your point, the George Wills of the world, they live just across the border in Maryland, and they're like, there is no crime here.

00:21:19.520 You're like, well, yeah, George, you probably haven't been to Southeast D.C. in 40 years, unless you count going to the Washington Nationals, like right on the edge, I think, of Southeast a little bit, is where the baseball stadium is there.

00:21:35.100 So, it is, in many ways, something that I think the elite, the wealthy of D.C., just pretend doesn't exist because it doesn't come into their universe very often.

00:21:46.340 And remember, this has been a big issue in D.C. for a long time.

00:21:51.020 They kept the subway from going to Georgetown because they didn't want people who were poor to have easy access to people who were rich in D.C.

00:22:01.320 It is a huge deal.

00:22:03.360 They didn't want the subway.

00:22:05.360 Anybody who's been there, you have to get out at GW and walk up, or you have to now take, obviously, an Uber or walk across the river from Virginia.

00:22:13.600 They tried to protect themselves from the lesser class who couldn't afford their multimillion-dollar Georgetown mansions.

00:22:21.640 It is very interesting.

00:22:23.400 All those people vote left.

00:22:24.980 All those people were Kamala voters.

00:22:26.860 But, boy, they really don't want violent crime to have easy access to them, do they?

00:22:31.020 And yet, Georgetown does have its spillover of, it's a lot safer than other parts of the city, of course, but there's stuff that happens in Georgetown that is, you'd be shocked for this to occur in the nicest neighborhood of other cities.

00:22:46.020 So, look, Trump is right on this, and Democrats can do whatever they want with the squawking and the screaming, and they can throw a fit.

00:22:55.700 At the end of the day, Trump has latched onto yet another issue, has put forward another program and set of policies where anybody who is being honest about it is saying,

00:23:07.560 Yeah, that seems sensible, and they have already been doing a number of arrests.

00:23:13.740 They're taking dangerous people off the streets.

00:23:18.940 So, I think that you might, it's not going to be a huge change in the crime data, but it will have a positive effect.

00:23:25.100 But, our subway assaulter is, was a Department of Justice employee.

00:23:33.420 And, this is the kind of, I mean, this is what Attorney General Pam Bondi tweeted just a little bit ago.

00:23:39.640 I just learned this defendant worked at the Department of Justice, no longer, Bondi said, in all caps.

00:23:46.480 This is an example of the deep state we have been up against for seven months as we work to refocus DOJ.

00:23:52.760 You will not work in this administration while disrespecting our government and law enforcement.

00:23:59.860 And so, this individual is named, I want to make sure I get his name, Sean Charles Dunn, and he was a DOJ employee.

00:24:13.100 But, I do think, do you think that guy in DOJ was aggressively enforcing Trump DOJ policies?

00:24:19.860 I bet that he was a die-hard Kamala supporter.

00:24:23.740 That's why he was screaming at the judge.

00:24:27.000 And, I mean, screaming at the officer.

00:24:29.260 And, why he felt like he could just pull back a sub and throw it.

00:24:32.520 Because, to be fair, how many times have you seen videos of police officers just taking objects, being pelted, at these BLM protests, for instance?

00:24:42.680 Nothing ever happened.

00:24:43.880 You just got guys standing there, water bottles hitting them, all sorts of pepper spray sometimes.

00:24:48.140 I mean, so, I do think this is a change of policy.

00:24:51.580 The guy thought, hey, nothing's going to happen to me.

00:24:53.260 I'm just going to throw this at the officer.

00:24:56.140 And, you know, it is going to be interesting.

00:24:59.900 That happened Sunday night in Northwest D.C.

00:25:03.080 And he was arrested Wednesday night.

00:25:05.680 Do we know what sparked the sandwich confrontation?

00:25:09.920 The report is that he was angry over too many police officers and screaming at the police officers for standing around.

00:25:18.240 And, that was what eventually let him.

00:25:22.340 I mean, I assume when I watch this video and the way he ran.

00:25:25.860 Yeah.

00:25:26.520 That's my assumption.

00:25:28.420 I mean, it doesn't look like something that a sober guy would do.

00:25:31.460 So, I'm assuming the guy had been out somewhere, probably had too many drinks, was a leftist, got angry at a police officer, thought that there would be no consequences.

00:25:40.820 Because there haven't been really any consequences for leftists who do anything to police officers for years.

00:25:45.640 And, as the kids say, F-A, and now he's F-O-ing.

00:25:52.160 Yeah.

00:25:52.960 I'm shocked that this guy would think that this is going to go in any, you know, doing this at any point in time is unwise.

00:26:01.000 To do it right now, given the focus on this nationally, is pretty crazy.

00:26:06.760 But, you know, there are people who believe this stuff about how this is martial law or the militarization of police.

00:26:13.500 And this is part of, there are less of them now than there have been, but there are still people out there who think that Trump is about to declare himself, like, dictator for life.

00:26:25.140 And this is part of that move.

00:26:27.280 So, you can see this stuff online.

00:26:30.240 But imagine working at the DOJ and thinking.

00:26:33.260 That's what I'm saying.

00:26:34.400 This is the part of it that's really bizarre to me.

00:26:37.620 And also not understanding or being able to think about the consequences in advance of assaulting a police officer in the current environment like that when you work for the Department of Justice.

00:26:48.540 I mean, you would hope that he would know that it is technically a felony to physically assault a police officer on duty.

00:26:56.780 You would think you would know that.

00:26:58.080 I think that this is an example of how you have protected people for leftist political thought.

00:27:06.700 I think he thought that he was above the law.

00:27:09.220 And I think he has now found out that there's so many Subway sandwich jokes that you can make.

00:27:17.000 Where are you on, so I really can't, because of celiac disease, unfortunately, I really can't experience the full glories of the Subway sandwich.

00:27:26.360 Where are you on that?

00:27:28.520 I love Subway.

00:27:30.240 I eat there.

00:27:31.240 I have never had a Subway sandwich that I can remember.

00:27:35.180 Ever in your life?

00:27:36.180 I like Subway.

00:27:37.260 I like Jimmy John's.

00:27:38.720 I like all of the, you know, you give me a sandwich with chips and a soda, and it's, to me, the perfect meal.

00:27:45.300 I understand it.

00:27:45.540 But what is the best of the sandwich?

00:27:47.260 Of the sandwicheries?

00:27:49.260 Yeah, I get either the meatball sub at Subway, which I think is very good,

00:27:53.120 or I get my sub toasted, and I get my favorite is sweet onion chicken teriyaki sub.

00:28:02.540 So those are the two, my typical go-to if I'm, now I'm getting hungry,

00:28:07.100 and Subway just got a huge advertisement from us that they were never planning on, 0.99

00:28:10.840 thanks to that moron throwing a Subway sandwich at the cop. 1.00

00:28:14.360 But I'm a big fan. 1.00

00:28:15.380 I like Subway.

00:28:16.800 I think, relatively speaking, it's healthy.

00:28:19.000 You know, they had that one guy who lost a lot of money that lost a lot of weight.

00:28:22.880 Unfortunately, he ended up being a pedophile, I think, right?

00:28:25.900 Well, that was an unexpected twist in the weight loss story.

00:28:30.200 But, you know, I mean, I do think that they do a good job of letting you count calories,

00:28:36.820 which is not necessarily very easy in much of the fast food universe.

00:28:42.100 So I like him.

00:28:43.060 Speaking of energy, on the days you need some, chalk is what you need.

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00:29:01.300 maybe to add four or five, maybe even ten miles an hour onto your serve, Clay.

00:29:06.020 We'll see.

00:29:06.880 We'll see what chalk can do in the serves, you know?

00:29:10.140 So, you know, we're going to see what happens with that one.

00:29:13.280 But I'm telling you this much, I'm not going out there without making sure that I'm stacked with my chalk

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00:29:37.120 You're not going to break 70 on that serve.

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00:30:11.360 Sometimes, all you can do is laugh.

00:30:14.660 And they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang.

00:30:17.600 Join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:30:25.360 President Trump, as we speak in the Oval Office, he will be headed to Alaska soon.

00:30:32.140 We are going to talk with the governor of Alaska, Mike Dunleavy, at the bottom of this hour about the big meeting between Putin and Trump that is scheduled to take place in Anchorage and what he expects to see there.

00:30:46.700 I can only imagine the amount of security that will be in place for that face-to-face meeting.

00:30:52.620 And certainly, we will be covering that in earnest tomorrow.

00:30:56.860 And we're going to have a couple of cuts from inside of the Oval Office.

00:31:00.040 It is the 90th anniversary of the creation of Social Security.

00:31:03.860 A couple of things that Trump has said, just to give you a little bit of a news bulletin here.

00:31:10.220 He has said that 275,000 illegal aliens, that is, non-citizens, have been removed from Social Security.

00:31:20.780 So there were, according to President Trump, a lot of people who are not citizens that were enrolled to receive Social Security.

00:31:27.680 And also, that there remains an inordinate number of people who are listed as receiving Social Security, or at least in the database, over 120 years old.

00:31:41.340 Elon Musk even weighed in on that commentary.

00:31:45.060 All this taking place from inside of the Oval Office.

00:31:48.240 Let me fill you in on the Elon Musk response to what Trump said.

00:31:53.960 But basically, that there are not very many people, as you would well imagine, over the age of 100.

00:32:02.160 And so, 12.4, this is according to Margot Martin, who does great work for President Trump.

00:32:09.440 12.4 million names listed in the Social Security database were over 120 years of age.

00:32:17.400 And Elon Musk responded to that by saying, the oldest actually living American is 114 years old.

00:32:25.700 Now, we've got a couple of these cuts to be able to play for you.

00:32:31.220 Trump asked for his message to Democrats saying, there's no crime in D.C.

00:32:37.320 Cut 25.

00:32:38.560 This just happened in the Oval Office.

00:32:40.300 It's another reason why the Democrats lost the election in a landslide.

00:32:44.180 They lie.

00:32:45.060 It's just why, look, the crime is very bad.

00:32:46.860 I think they'd be much better off saying, we want to help President Trump with a crime because it's an epidemic.

00:32:52.820 It's a tragic situation.

00:32:54.820 It's the worst it's ever been.

00:32:56.560 And we want to help President Trump with a crime as opposed to, he's a dictator.

00:33:01.200 He's a dictator.

00:33:02.380 People are so happy to see our military going into D.C. and getting these thugs out.

00:33:07.460 As you know, we arrested a lot of people yesterday.

00:33:09.700 We arrested a lot of people today.

00:33:11.060 We're getting people that have arrest records that you wouldn't believe.

00:33:15.380 28 arrests, 15 arrests, brutal, brutal people.

00:33:20.600 And we're going to have to do something about this cashless bail because people shoot somebody, they kill somebody and they're out on the street in less than an hour.

00:33:28.320 Okay, he continued talking about that.

00:33:31.440 We can also have some fun.

00:33:32.820 And by the way, I've got some fun coming for Buck here in a moment, too, on his tennis game.

00:33:37.280 But we're covering wide ranges here to start the third hour.

00:33:40.340 Elizabeth Warren coming in for maybe a tomahawk chop from President Trump. 0.98

00:33:45.700 This is Cut 26.

00:33:46.540 Elizabeth Warren said she was an Indian.

00:33:50.740 We call her Pocahontas. 1.00

00:33:52.500 She's a liar. 1.00

00:33:53.660 She lied her whole career. 1.00

00:33:55.700 Based on the fact that she was an Indian, she was able to get into certain colleges, get certain jobs, get into certain universities to work there. 1.00

00:34:04.040 She's a liar and a mean person. 1.00

00:34:06.700 She's a nut job. 1.00

00:34:08.060 I watched her the other night. 0.99

00:34:09.160 She's all hopped up endorsing a communist in New York City. 0.81

00:34:12.940 And she was all excited and jumping up and down.

00:34:15.360 And she's got to take a drug test. 1.00

00:34:17.220 She really does.

00:34:17.820 She's got to take a drug test. 1.00

00:34:19.080 There's no way somebody can act that way and be normal.

00:34:22.700 What she's done to our financial institutions, she destroys people. 0.98

00:34:26.560 Do you know that you had a lot of great banks in the Midwest and banks that loaned to farmers and others, and they went out of business?

00:34:33.060 She put them out of business.

00:34:34.120 Stone cold mean.

00:34:36.380 Okay, one last cut from the Oval Office.

00:34:39.040 This is what I said, about 275,000 illegal immigrants have been removed from the Social Security program on its 90th anniversary, cut 27.

00:34:49.380 To protect our benefits, we've already kicked nearly 275,000 illegal aliens off of the Social Security system. 0.98

00:34:58.460 These are people, many of them have already left the country.

00:35:01.420 And yet we were sending them checks all the time.

00:35:05.520 And 275,000, and that number is now even larger than that, Frank.

00:35:10.120 It's an unbelievable job.

00:35:11.920 And what that's doing is making the system strong.

00:35:16.260 It's making it strong.

00:35:18.080 Biden never kicked anybody off.

00:35:19.920 Everybody joined.

00:35:20.720 And we're carrying out historic deportations to remove many more illegals committing Social Security fraud. 0.79

00:35:27.860 It's the Social Security fraud that was taking place at levels that nobody's ever seen.

00:35:33.320 Okay, all of that underway in the Oval Office.

00:35:37.620 Now, yesterday, Buck Sexton said that he could hit, or maybe it's a couple of days ago, that he could hit 100 mile an hour serve.

00:35:45.040 One time, just to be clear, one time.

00:35:49.860 This is not that I hit, this is a very important distinction.

00:35:52.600 Not that I hit 100 mile an hour serve regularly, that I could do it one time.

00:35:57.020 We now have some of the best tennis players in the world.

00:36:01.580 And actually some of the greatest servers in terms of power of all time.

00:36:06.340 I mean, I think Andy Roddick is probably the greatest server, one of the top five greatest servers of all time in tennis.

00:36:12.940 Guys, he has weighed in on my middle-aged man, rec, not even college level tennis game.

00:36:19.860 Well, first, let's start with John Isner, who is, I think, didn't you tell us yesterday, John Isner, American tennis player.

00:36:25.660 I believe he went to the University of Georgia.

00:36:27.540 I know he's a big Georgia Bulldog fan.

00:36:29.120 Really good dude.

00:36:30.860 He hopped on Twitter and said, I'm calling that serve around 95 miles per hour.

00:36:37.460 My bet is no.

00:36:38.460 Now, you might say, okay, John Isner, in addition to being one of the greatest American tennis players of his generation, he's got the second strongest serve, you said, in the history of tennis?

00:36:48.900 I believe that's correct.

00:36:50.060 In terms of serve speed, on the pro tour, there's like other people.

00:36:53.560 I don't count it.

00:36:55.220 When you're looking at the records, it has to be someone did it in a match.

00:36:59.140 It's not like the longest drive competition where you just get to show up.

00:37:02.640 You have to actually be a pro.

00:37:04.000 I mean, as a pro, when it counts, the fastest serve you've ever hit.

00:37:07.640 I mean, Roddick got over 140, and I mean, look, and I'll tell you guys this, like, I mean, getting over 90 is for sure.

00:37:16.800 For those of you who don't know, like, I already know.

00:37:18.460 I knew that before I took the bet.

00:37:20.560 Getting over 100 is hard, though.

00:37:22.080 That's why I'm like, look, this is, I can do it one time, I think.

00:37:24.780 But over 90, no question.

00:37:26.600 So those of you who are saying, I serve 60 miles an hour, your math is bad.

00:37:31.000 But, like I said, I got the speed gun.

00:37:34.360 It arrived.

00:37:35.420 And we're going to have some speed gun.

00:37:37.200 I'm trying to get to it this weekend, but I'll certainly get to it sometime next week.

00:37:40.660 So we'll have some more video proof.

00:37:42.300 And I won't wear all white.

00:37:43.400 Some of you are like, that's just, I was, it was literally laundry day over here.

00:37:46.280 And people wear white when they play tennis.

00:37:47.740 I don't know why that's such a weird thing for people.

00:37:49.800 Like, people wear white.

00:37:50.680 I don't know.

00:37:51.580 Is, why is that so weird?

00:37:53.480 If I were to wear all black in Miami, that would be weird because I would melt more than I already did.

00:38:01.540 I will sometimes say, when I see a friend wearing the same color top and bottom, that, hey, I guess you're, I mean, like, I will make, to be fair, like, if you came in, if we went to, I bet Carrie would make fun of you if you were doing anything other than playing tennis.

00:38:18.920 Yeah.

00:38:19.120 And you walked in in the exact same top and bottom.

00:38:21.540 So, but that's the most traditional, I mean, wearing whites to play tennis is not some weird thing.

00:38:27.740 This is just like a standard thing.

00:38:29.700 There are a lot of country clubs that actually require it.

00:38:32.720 Yeah.

00:38:32.880 So that's why people are like, why are you wearing all white?

00:38:34.500 I was like, I don't know, because it's my tennis gear that I happen to have today.

00:38:37.000 But I promise next time it won't be all in white.

00:38:39.580 People are very fussy.

00:38:41.280 John, John Isner, awesome dude.

00:38:43.360 Andy Roddick, I worked with a lot at Fox.

00:38:47.040 Absolutely awesome guy.

00:38:48.280 Just a genuinely really, really good dude.

00:38:50.700 Great sense of humor.

00:38:51.780 Also happens to be the best American tennis player, what, the last 20 years, probably?

00:38:56.780 This is the tennis equivalent, though, of if, you know, years ago, Rush Limbaugh had weighed in on some guy who had, like, started a podcast on the weekend, like his monologue.

00:39:08.560 Like, that's, to have Isner and Roddick, like, weighing in on my serve is kind of like, it would be like Rush being like, hey, this is your first radio show.

00:39:16.840 Like, you got some, you got some pipes, you know, you're working on it, you're, like, encouraging.

00:39:20.800 But Andy Roddick said, 100 miles per hour, less certain.

00:39:24.840 But he did say, the fact that he put on full ankle braces just to serve is the real issue here.

00:39:33.200 So, oh, no, but I was that, okay, well, to be clear, that wasn't, that's not, I was playing, that was a lesson.

00:39:37.940 So I was actually playing tennis.

00:39:39.120 I just stopped for a minute to do a serve.

00:39:41.180 Well, I just think Andy is a very funny guy.

00:39:43.140 So he was taking shots in here.

00:39:44.480 No, but he used to wear the ankle braces.

00:39:45.940 Tell Andy he's lighting me up.

00:39:47.340 I have, I have, excuse me, Mr. Roddick, I have cave ovarus feet, which means that I have a, sorry, I had to knock off my headset.

00:39:56.280 This is getting worse, which means that I have a tendency to roll my ankles.

00:40:00.800 This is like telling Michael Jordan when he asked why you're wearing an arm sleeve that you have, you know, hypertension in your elbow.

00:40:07.900 What have I, what have my buddies used to say?

00:40:10.980 I used to play, I used to play pickup basketball and his line, and I think it's an all-time line.

00:40:16.820 He said, if you have any brace, you have to be twice as good as the worst player on the court.

00:40:23.980 And I just think that's such an amazing line.

00:40:26.380 He's like, if you show up for pickup basketball and you got like an elbow sleeve on, or you got ankle braces, or you have like a knee, a knee thing.

00:40:34.240 He's like, you better be twice as good as the worst player on the court, because everybody's just going to be looking at you like, well, I just, you, Clay, you have to respond to Andy.

00:40:45.040 One, I thought it was very funny.

00:40:46.900 You have to tell Mr. Roddick, okay, who is a, who is a tennis serve and tennis god in general.

00:40:51.080 But you have to tell him that I was playing tennis, I just stopped to take a serve.

00:40:55.700 I wasn't, I was, it was the middle of like a, you know, hitting session or whatever.

00:40:59.420 It wasn't just, I didn't just put them on to serve, okay?

00:41:01.920 That's not fair.

00:41:03.260 Look at how sweaty I am.

00:41:04.340 I'm translucent on that video.

00:41:06.360 Not the two best tennis players.

00:41:10.120 We basically, of their generation, have now weighed in.

00:41:13.500 Also, Laura Travis, out on the road, who has initially made the 100 mile an hour serve bet, has said, I haven't heard this.

00:41:21.840 She sent in a talkback to producer Allie, and so get ready.

00:41:27.420 This is ZZ from Laura, my wife.

00:41:31.440 Look, it's Laura.

00:41:32.800 The speed gun has to read 100 or higher.

00:41:35.360 Your bet was that you could crush the ball on a serve 100 or higher.

00:41:40.560 98 is not 100.

00:41:42.340 The bet isn't that you can get it close to 100.

00:41:44.580 It's that you can hit it 100.

00:41:46.840 You also said that the speed gun has an error rate of a plus or minus 3 miles per hour.

00:41:51.740 So if you hit it 98, that means it actually could have only been 95.

00:41:55.780 If you hit it 100, the speed gun reads 100, we're going to give it to you.

00:41:59.300 But it has to read 100 or higher without you faulting through your feet or on the other side of the net.

00:42:05.360 In the serve box.

00:42:06.580 And also, even though I'm a doubter, I know I'm actually rooting for you because so many people are rooting against you and doubting you that if you hit this serve 100 or higher, you're going to be like the Rocky of amateur tennis serves.

00:42:20.000 And I think if you make it happen, you should have a gold medal celebration on air, play the Rocky music, and just live it up.

00:42:26.940 Turn all of us doubters into believers.

00:42:29.660 I appreciate that.

00:42:30.720 I am the Rudy.

00:42:31.400 I am the Rudy Rudiger of rec tennis serving.

00:42:36.420 By the way, people who are also, I'm getting those people email me, like, I played D1 tennis and I could serve 105 or 110.

00:42:42.580 And I'm like, yeah, because you play D1 tennis.

00:42:45.360 I'm just a guy who likes to play tennis on the weekends.

00:42:47.240 I didn't even play tennis in college.

00:42:48.560 A guy who feels compelled to tell you that he's amazing at something that he should be really good at is always like, and I'm skeptical because I don't see, you know, like the greatest hedge fund manager of all time doesn't hop in Warren Buffett's mentions and be like, well, in 2008, I had a 42% return.

00:43:09.720 Right.

00:43:10.060 Like, I do think it's very funny that people who are elite at something decide that they need to let you know that they're elite at something.

00:43:18.440 Well, this is why I like Isner and Andy and these guys can have a sense of humor about it.

00:43:22.600 Like, they routinely serve.

00:43:24.660 And if you want to know, this is all true.

00:43:25.940 You can check this.

00:43:26.700 At that level, the pros, their first serves are 120 plus, usually 125 plus is an average.

00:43:32.540 And they can get up into the 130s pretty, pretty easily.

00:43:36.400 Right.

00:43:36.900 And that's every single serve.

00:43:38.320 With spin, too.

00:43:41.300 It's not even just like a straight, like they're slicing it away, like annihilating the ball.

00:43:46.500 Your humble radio servant is saying, with like 50 balls, and I'm going to try, with 50 balls, can I get over 100 one time?

00:43:55.180 Okay.

00:43:55.620 I will say.

00:43:56.660 It's not easy.

00:43:57.600 I mean, like if you're not a college player, that's actually like a college level player.

00:44:01.620 That's not easy to do.

00:44:02.900 People who don't play tennis probably think they can do it.

00:44:05.620 Zero chance.

00:44:07.120 Zero chance.

00:44:08.480 That's 100% true.

00:44:09.560 I also think, I'm wondering, you know, so I trained for the NFL Combine to write a book about the NFL Combine.

00:44:18.040 You did?

00:44:18.800 Oh, yeah.

00:44:19.700 So, and so you can self-assess, but you can't run more than like two 40s without your speed going down.

00:44:28.080 That's why they do it at the NFL Combine twice, because most people, you can't, it's not like you're going to get better on your third.

00:44:34.080 I don't know the answer on this.

00:44:35.800 I don't know how many times you could serve in a row where you start to just go down because your body's getting physically tired.

00:44:42.780 Well, see, because I'm in, I mean, this is more than anyone ever thought they'd hear about tennis on the show, but for fun, everybody, this is now, we have like the biggest names in the tennis world weighing in on the Clay and Buck Show tennis feud.

00:44:54.900 Um, but yeah, I, I, I'm somebody who is going to rely much more on muscle than technique.

00:45:01.000 I mean, this also might surprise some of the people, but like the women on the pro tour, I can lift a lot more weight than they can. 1.00

00:45:07.120 They just have a hundred times better technique and weight transfer and elasticity, uh, in their, you know, in their movement than I do.

00:45:16.520 So that's why they can routinely do it a hundred.

00:45:18.380 So it's not, it's a little bit like golf.

00:45:20.240 It's not, uh, if you watch happy Gilmore, you think, Oh, like I can just hit a slap shot.

00:45:24.540 Like I've hit golf balls a couple of times.

00:45:26.600 I'm absolutely horrible.

00:45:27.500 So I know I can't do that at all.

00:45:29.440 Um, you can swing as hard as you want, but you can get somebody who can bench press 500 pounds.

00:45:33.880 Can't hit a golf ball.

00:45:35.280 It's a, it's a skill thing, not a muscle thing.

00:45:38.360 And so this is why I really have to work on the technique more than anything else to actually get it to the level.

00:45:45.780 Cause you'll see tech there are women who are five, there are women who are Laura size on the pro tour who can hit a, you know, 110 mile an hour serve, like pretty regularly. 1.00

00:45:55.560 And they have like tiny little arms and they weigh 110 pounds, but they have perfect body mechanics.

00:46:01.380 Perfect technique.

00:46:01.900 By the way, we're going to head up to Alaska at the bottom of this hour.

00:46:04.760 I'm sure the talkbacks are going to be extraordinary on this.

00:46:07.220 We'll play some of those as we continue.

00:46:08.940 And the NFL is back.

00:46:10.680 Uh, so, uh, I saw our boy, Ryan Gerdusky mocking you on Twitter.

00:46:16.240 You get even taking some body blows here.

00:46:18.400 Cause Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey were talking.

00:46:22.000 And, uh, and Ryan Gerdusky said, this is like listening to Buck talk about sports with clay, uh, putting you in the Taylor Swift role there.

00:46:30.100 And I actually, I thought that was, this is only, this is only fair in, in college football, which I had never seen or watched until I was partner, partnered here with clay.

00:46:37.820 I know the other sports ball very well.

00:46:40.120 Okay.

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00:47:42.240 Clay, have you heard of the Rio reset?

00:47:44.180 Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck.

00:47:46.440 It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.

00:47:49.420 The formal name is BRICS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

00:47:54.300 But they've just added five new members.

00:47:56.480 Smart move to stick with BRICS. 1.00

00:47:58.320 We know what happens when acronyms don't end.

00:48:00.520 They confuse everyone.

00:48:01.740 Well, that's an understatement.

00:48:03.180 BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.

00:48:08.040 Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.

00:48:10.820 I'm listening.

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00:48:22.360 Can he give us some inside intel?

00:48:24.180 Absolutely.

00:48:24.900 He's been there since day one.

00:48:26.780 In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the U.S. dollar in global trade.

00:48:33.300 Yikes.

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00:48:37.000 Already did, and he left the Clay and Buck audience this message.

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00:48:45.920 These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,

00:48:50.220 and the U.S. dollar is no longer the centerpiece.

00:48:53.620 That shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.

00:48:59.020 Thank you, Philip.

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00:49:58.060 Welcome back in.

00:49:59.260 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:50:01.820 We head up to Alaska now to talk with the governor of Alaska, Mike Dunleavy, on the eve of,

00:50:09.700 I would imagine, one of the biggest events to ever happen in Alaska,

00:50:14.020 certainly in the modern era, to have the president of the United States and the president of Russia

00:50:20.840 meeting for an incredibly, potentially significant and impactful summit on the future of Ukraine, Russia, and the war there.

00:50:30.420 We bring in now the governor of Alaska, Mike Dunleavy.

00:50:34.280 Is that a fair characterization that, as these things go, I would imagine the amount of preparation,

00:50:40.520 the amount of security, and the amount of potential historical significance at play here

00:50:45.380 is really unprecedented, not just for Alaska, but, frankly, for almost every state?

00:50:51.180 No, I agree.

00:50:52.220 It's incredible.

00:50:53.320 It's exciting.

00:50:54.100 We're glad to be hosting it here in Alaska.

00:50:56.000 Alaska makes sense, given our proximity to Russia.

00:50:59.200 We're only about two and a half miles between two islands, one controlled by the U.S., Alaska,

00:51:03.420 and one controlled by Russia, but 50 miles between the mainland.

00:51:06.080 So, no, we're excited.

00:51:07.800 And it's not the first time President Trump's been up here.

00:51:11.020 He's been up here many times.

00:51:12.500 He refuels here at the same base they're going to have the summit at on his way to Asia.

00:51:17.960 And we've had the opportunity to get on board Air Force One and have meetings with him.

00:51:20.880 But President Trump is really looking out for Alaska, obviously really looking out for the country.

00:51:26.000 And in this case, we're hoping for the best that at least this will start some serious talks

00:51:31.580 on getting this war in Ukraine resolved sooner than later.

00:51:35.820 Governor, if you can give us a sense of this, you know, there's, I think, more geostrategic importance

00:51:42.600 and particularly on the national security side.

00:51:45.360 We think of Alaska on energy for sure a lot.

00:51:47.980 But on the national security side, given its proximity to Russia, as we all know,

00:51:53.020 the line from Saturday Night Live can see Russia from my house, not quite true, but very close

00:51:57.060 in terms of the actual distance between Alaska and Russia, what are some of the national security

00:52:03.240 implications?

00:52:04.780 And also, your state has substantial military resources.

00:52:09.860 Yeah, we're the most strategic state in the country by far.

00:52:12.860 We are obviously an Arctic state.

00:52:14.400 That's what makes America an Arctic country.

00:52:16.920 But we're also a North Pacific sovereign and a Western Pacific sovereign.

00:52:21.440 And to give you some perspective, we are so far west.

00:52:24.920 I know we think of Hawaii being west, but we are so far west that we're 1,000 miles closer

00:52:29.380 to Australia than California is.

00:52:32.360 So we are, by ship, we're eight hours to Tokyo.

00:52:37.160 From Moscow, by plane, we're two hours closer to Moscow than Washington, D.C. is going that direction.

00:52:44.860 So we live in a neighborhood that's got some interesting neighbors, Russia, China, North Korea.

00:52:52.880 As you mentioned, we have robust military resources up here.

00:52:55.580 We have the largest Coast Guard presence in the country here.

00:52:58.040 We have missile intercepts here.

00:53:00.260 We have bases with F-35s, F-22s, rapid deployment forces with our army assets up here.

00:53:07.380 And so a lot of people also forget that Alaska was actually invaded during World War II on the

00:53:12.920 Aleutian Islands by the Japanese, and it took a joint Canadian-American effort.

00:53:16.340 Atu Island, right?

00:53:18.200 Yeah, we call it Atu.

00:53:19.580 Yeah, Atu and Pisgah. 0.92

00:53:21.360 Yeah.

00:53:21.640 And so very strategic location for the Arctic, very strategic location for the Pacific.

00:53:26.740 So, yeah, we take great pride in that and probably have more retired military individuals per capita

00:53:34.140 than any other state in the country.

00:53:35.280 Can you tell us anything about the location, what it will look like, what the process will be?

00:53:43.020 And the reason I bring it up is, obviously, there's going to be immense media attention.

00:53:48.920 I mean, the number of media that are traveling to Alaska, I'm sure, will set an all-time record

00:53:53.440 for people that have been in Alaska, frankly, covering anything for one particular time,

00:53:58.380 unless there's some major historic event that I can't think of that this will look like.

00:54:03.840 Will this be on the base, I think you mentioned?

00:54:07.180 Will it be in some sort of conference room?

00:54:09.260 I mean, I imagine this is a little bit like a debate in that both sides sort of hash out

00:54:14.820 all the details before the respective presidents show up there.

00:54:18.940 What should we expect in terms of the actual process of the meeting and what that's like?

00:54:26.520 Well, it's definitely on the base, and the base is a large base,

00:54:30.720 so there's many buildings there that would be conducive to these conversations,

00:54:35.180 not just between President Trump and President Putin,

00:54:38.280 but their associates and aides that are coming up with them.

00:54:41.680 So the base is well-positioned from a security perspective,

00:54:44.980 but also a privacy perspective and the ability for these two individuals to have a discussion.

00:54:50.200 It's my anticipation, and this is based upon what President Trump has talked about in the news here recently,

00:54:55.240 that it's really going to set the stage for further discussions.

00:55:00.740 And depending on how it goes, how well it goes, who knows?

00:55:05.140 They may extend it and stay here.

00:55:07.940 They may decide to schedule a follow-up summit pretty quick.

00:55:12.760 There's always rumors floating around that President Zelensky could be invited here if things are going well.

00:55:16.880 So, you know, we're playing it by ear.

00:55:19.480 I think the President is going to do his best to look Putin in the eye

00:55:23.020 and really figure out if the individual is serious about peace and to what degree.

00:55:26.800 And so, like the rest of the world, we are eagerly anticipating what the outcome is going to be in this summit,

00:55:33.960 but we're glad to host it, and it's an honor to have President Trump up here again.

00:55:37.900 We're used to seeing, Governor, the security of a president,

00:55:42.620 and especially this president, given what he's been through in recent years, as we all know,

00:55:46.560 substantial Secret Service presence, a lot of coordination with state, local, federal law enforcement,

00:55:51.540 all hands on deck for our president.

00:55:53.980 Obviously, on U.S. soil, our people will be responsible as well for the safety of the Russian premier.

00:56:00.100 I'm just wondering, are there a ton of Russians who show up, too, as part of his security detail,

00:56:06.080 or is this largely he trusts in the American people and the American leader here, Donald Trump,

00:56:12.620 that it's safe as can be for Putin to just show up in Alaska, and we've got him protected for this meeting?

00:56:19.640 Yeah, it's a combination.

00:56:20.880 I mean, there's no doubt that our security apparatus is second to none,

00:56:24.140 and I'm sure that President Putin is going to bring his entourage, including security, with him as well.

00:56:30.100 I have no doubt they've been coordinating every day since this announcement,

00:56:34.580 maybe even before the announcement was made, on the security measures that are going to be taken here in Alaska.

00:56:39.060 But having this on a secure base, and again, Alaska is isolated, as you know.

00:56:43.380 We're at the top of the world.

00:56:44.500 So a small population.

00:56:47.240 It is tough to get here for folks, especially when it's our tourist season,

00:56:50.920 so it's hard to get lodging and hard to get on a plane.

00:56:54.240 But nonetheless, I think it's an ideal spot, geopolitically, in terms of location, security-wise,

00:57:01.360 and having it on the base, I think, is a wise idea.

00:57:04.300 So I'm hoping for a successful summit.

00:57:07.040 I'm hoping, once again, that what comes out of this is going to be a lasting just peace for the people of Ukraine,

00:57:14.560 and I think this is going to be another example where President Trump brings two sides together,

00:57:19.520 which he seems to be doing quite often throughout the world to end these wars,

00:57:22.980 because we all know, I mean, wars are bad, period, and it's bad for the economy.

00:57:27.740 It's bad for international relations, and so we're all hopeful. 1.00

00:57:32.640 And, you know, there's the possibility that this could be referred to, if this is very successful, right,

00:57:37.720 this could be the kind of summit that people talk about for many years to come.

00:57:41.420 It could be in the history books.

00:57:42.780 You know, it's something that I think could be viewed really as a turning point.

00:57:47.240 So with all of that, and now that we've established the national security implications and everything else,

00:57:53.640 just focusing on Alaska for a second,

00:57:55.460 Mr. Clay Travis has not yet been, and we were just discussing fishing, and you were wonderful.

00:58:00.880 I have been up there.

00:58:01.860 I am, unlike tennis, I have no illusions of grandeur.

00:58:05.900 I'm not a good fisherman.

00:58:07.440 How long would it take you, Governor, or I don't know, I'm assuming you can do one, I don't know,

00:58:12.540 to get Clay semi-decent at fly fishing if he were to come up and visit next summer?

00:58:17.540 Well, I don't know the depth of Clay's current skills when it comes to fly fishing.

00:58:23.560 Let's assume zero, Governor.

00:58:25.140 Let's assume zero.

00:58:26.200 Let's presume limited.

00:58:28.000 Okay, it might take a little bit of work, but we're willing to take him under our wing,

00:58:31.680 taking him, you know, we'll take him to, we might want to start out taking him over to, like, Bass Pro Shop,

00:58:36.880 and he could fish in the tanks there to get, you know, get...

00:58:39.620 I like my odds.

00:58:40.560 I like my odds of catching stuff at a Bass Pro Shop.

00:58:44.160 You, even the worst of fishermen can catch fish up here, salmon, halibut, you name it.

00:58:48.820 So, Clay, you need to come up here.

00:58:52.080 If you're an outdoors type of guy, you're going to be, I think, astounded at not just the beauty,

00:58:56.040 but the opportunities up here as well.

00:58:58.200 I can't wait to visit.

00:58:59.040 I'm going to bring my whole family up.

00:59:01.120 One more question for you, Governor, notwithstanding the fact that I likely would struggle immensely

00:59:05.660 on the fly fishing, on a more serious front, you actually mentioned that Zelensky, who knows?

00:59:11.680 You know, Trump has said, hey, we'd like to have tripartite talks, potentially, if these things go well.

00:59:17.760 Does the governor get a phone call and they just tell you, hey, so Zelensky's also coming

00:59:22.660 and maybe we're going to need some extra food and beds?

00:59:26.540 What is the protocol for something like that?

00:59:28.900 I'm sure there's not a lot of experience at any state, but do you just look down and they're like,

00:59:33.880 oh, man, you know, Zelensky's on his way in, too.

00:59:36.520 Like, how does that process work?

00:59:39.180 Well, you know, that's an interesting question, right, because there's really not a template for this.

00:59:43.600 But going back to when President Trump announced that he was coming up here,

00:59:47.960 we immediately were engaged with the White House.

00:59:50.360 There are advanced teams and others associated with the White House on not just security measures,

00:59:55.420 but venues, et cetera, et cetera.

00:59:56.860 So they have a pretty good handle now and have ascertained what the assets are up here for a potential arrival of President Zelensky.

01:00:05.600 I would say this, though, that if President Zelensky does come here,

01:00:08.640 that means that there was some significant movement in a direction that could be conducive to a just peace.

01:00:15.440 And so that's one of the things to watch for if he does come up.

01:00:19.180 I mean, the other thing to watch for, who knows, the meeting might be over in an hour, and that also is telling.

01:00:23.140 So we're all waiting to see what's going to happen.

01:00:26.760 We hope for nothing but the best.

01:00:28.320 But if President Zelensky does end up coming, we would also do everything we can to provide for him,

01:00:33.720 as well as the White House people will also make sure that that trip is safe and secure and productive.

01:00:42.020 Well, we appreciate the time, Governor Mike Dunleavy.

01:00:44.980 We also want to say thank you, by the way, Governor.

01:00:47.080 I'm sure you know these stations well.

01:00:48.660 Well, NewsRadio 650 in Anchorage, NewsRadio 970 in Fairbanks, and NewsRadio 97.5 in Ketchikan.

01:00:58.600 We know we have a big audience of Alaskan listeners up there.

01:01:01.400 I look forward to seeing some of you in person at some point.

01:01:04.080 And good luck with the big summit going on tomorrow, Governor.

01:01:06.620 We know how busy you are.

01:01:08.500 Absolutely.

01:01:09.080 Thanks, guys, for having me on.

01:01:10.720 For sure.

01:01:11.260 That's Governor Mike Dunleavy of Alaska.

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