00:01:35.540Attorney General of New York State, Tish James, it was awful what she did.
00:01:42.680It was disgraceful that she ran promising to prosecute somebody or promising to find somebody.
00:01:49.060You know, bring suit against, civil suit in this case.
00:01:52.000And that they said, Clay, I mean, the things that came out in this case, that Trump valued Mar-a-Lago at $517 million and they said it was $27 million in 2020.
00:02:05.600Anybody with even a passing, the vaguest familiarity with the Palm Beach real estate market.
00:02:12.860You know, I don't know what house you're going to get on the water for $27 million in Palm Beach these days.
00:02:20.140Clay, it was the abuse of law in the worst possible fashion.
00:02:26.140And maybe, no, look, he's president now, so maybe the appellate court decided they weren't going to continue to poke the dragon.
00:02:36.500And a good moment actually for, I know this sounds corny perhaps, but it's true, a good moment for law and order in this country or for the rule of law in this country.
00:02:45.640Yeah, for people who have forgotten, and I know there are so many different legal proceedings.
00:02:52.300We've joked kind of about this, but I never would have believed when I went to law school that I would end up just analyzing Trump legal cases for what feels like a career oftentimes because Trump 2.0 has primarily been driven.
00:03:07.480The resistance has by the judiciary, by the legal branch, and it all started as a part of the 2024 election.
00:03:13.760So this particular case, and I know there are so many of them that it is hard to keep up, was brought by Letitia James, alleging mortgage fraud.
00:03:23.820And I'm trying to simplify this a little bit.
00:03:26.240And she said the mortgage fraud was that Trump inflated the assets that were under his control to obtain a lower rate of the mortgage than he otherwise should have.
00:03:39.340But, and this is why the case was really outlandish from the start, he paid all the loans back.
00:04:18.800So this was an incredibly strained legal theory to begin with because there was no victim.
00:04:27.060And so the idea that Trump should have to pay back over $500 million with interest now, she tried to calculate what the rate, in her opinion, should have been for the loans that Trump took out that he ended up paying back and that the banks said they were very comfortable in the deal they did.
00:04:49.380And then argued that that was a fraud perpetrated that the state of New York needed to investigate, bring civil criminal penalties, civil penalties against.
00:05:00.360And the New York Court of Appeals just said this is garbage.
00:05:03.220And here is where I think we are headed.
00:05:05.980I think all these cases are going to end up getting tossed.
00:05:09.480I think there are three, correct me if I'm wrong, Buck, because sometimes I get kind of lost in the weeds on some of this too.
00:05:15.320There are three New York State trials and or legal proceedings of significance.
00:07:49.520I do think the court's rulings here matter because the precedent they put in place when they went after Trump.
00:07:56.440If you happen to be a Republican and live, live in a blue state or candidly, if you happen to be in a Democrat and run in a red state,
00:08:03.780we can't allow your politics to become proxy for civil and criminal liability just based on what you happen to believe, in my opinion.
00:08:13.640Trump stomped on lawfare the same way that he stomped on MSNBC and CNN and accomplished things that I don't think many of us believed were even possible years ago.
00:08:25.120In both, in both of those instances, the fact that you had, uh, it was four criminal trials or four criminal prosecutions rather, and multiple civil suits all timed to hit him at the same time.
00:08:40.420And while he's running for president and that he will emerge from all of that clay, essentially now, I know there's still the New York case, but I, that one, I agree with you.
00:08:50.620I mean, there's going to be, there's going to be no punishment that they, he's the president.
00:09:03.720Uh, and, and it also goes to, I think, the desperation that the Democrats feel right now, because what happens when you've thrown everything in the kitchen sink and the other guy just grins and keeps coming?
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00:27:50.440If I'm not mistaken to wait till after the election to release this opinion.
00:27:54.980Um, and, uh, I, uh, again, this is total vindication for Trump, but I think he wants to take the next step and send a message that total vindication for him is not.
00:28:09.260I mean, he still had to spend millions of dollars in legal fees.
00:28:13.140Uh, he still had to tie up hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:28:16.720I think he had to get a bond of $150 million or something to even appeal this.
00:28:21.480Um, I understand why he wants there to be consequences for Letitia James and why he wants there to be consequences for, uh, Alvin Bragg.
00:29:03.100What he could do is step down and allow the vice president, Vice President Pence, to pardon him.
00:29:10.000Now, it's important to understand he is pardoned from federal crimes, but he is not pardoned from state crimes.
00:29:16.580Last year, I introduced a bill in the state legislature which would close the pardon loophole so that individuals such as the president of the United States would not evade justice.
00:29:26.460It's important that we have this check on presidential powers.
00:29:29.740There are so many things I would like to call her that would not be allowed on FCC broadcast, but has she ever commented on Joe Biden's pardons?
00:29:41.580No, she's a horrible person just based on her actions.
00:29:49.120And the glee she has trying to he's a president and former president, current president, the glee that she takes and the sense of pride she has in trying to destroy somebody over what?
00:30:01.020All this all this flowery language she's using about, you know, no one's above the law and everything else.
00:30:07.420What's the what's the bad thing that he did that we need to punish?
00:30:10.500The law that he broke is being Trump and taking the fight to the left and making Democrats sad at election time.
00:30:15.420That's the law that he broke and honestly having the misfortune to have done it all while having many of his businesses registered in New York, which I think the ultimate consequence of all of this is a lot of people said, I'm not willing to have my businesses based on in New York where I can be prosecuted if my politics don't end up aligning with whoever is in power there.
00:30:44.460I imagine it's one reason you're happy to be in Florida, but I think a lot of people out there with New York assets have made that decision.
00:30:50.960Look, I told you about my trip to Legacy Box headquarters, Chattanooga, Tennessee, my mom's hometown.
00:30:58.400It was like being in a time capsule because they can take all of your media, eight millimeter films, VHS tapes, old photographs, and they can digitize them.
00:31:08.580And they have different parts of their huge facility there in Chattanooga where they are digitizing so many of these different products.
00:31:19.640In fact, I was talking with Adam, one of the co-founders there, and he said, look, we basically are on eBay buying VHS, VCRs all the time.
00:31:29.600And he said, we got techs who can put these things back working together because they're not making more VCRs, and we want to make sure that we can preserve your family's memories.
00:33:18.720There's way more people out and about in the streets.
00:33:21.480It's usually that time when murders are peaking all over the country.
00:33:26.160They have not found a summer stretch like this in decades going back to try to find a period of time where there has been no murders occurring.
00:33:36.540So we're going to get into this maybe in the third hour, but let's first, we're going to get to Cracker Barrel momentarily here,