Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 5 2025

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00:00:04.280 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:05.600 Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now.

00:00:12.160 And we've got a lot to discuss, including the referral to the DOJ of those names from the Russia collusion soft coup attempt of years past.

00:00:24.880 And now the impaneling of a grand jury, a grand jury is now in the mix on this.

00:00:34.020 We shall give you the latest on it and where we think this is going.

00:00:39.160 Prosecutors are starting that grand jury probe into the Obama era officials of the Russia collusion investigation.

00:00:47.980 Interesting note, Clay.

00:00:48.660 You know, I talked to our friend Miranda Devine on also our friend, legitimately these are friends of ours, are also our friend Will Cain's show yesterday.

00:00:56.520 Were you on Jesse last night?

00:00:57.940 Was that right?

00:00:58.460 What did I see?

00:00:58.880 You were somewhere.

00:00:59.500 Were you at Hannity?

00:01:00.180 You were on someone's show last night.

00:01:02.000 Oh, God.

00:01:02.920 I don't even.

00:01:03.420 I don't know.

00:01:03.820 One of them.

00:01:04.200 I was on, I was on, I was on Will's show, too.

00:01:08.280 Oh, okay.

00:01:08.700 Will's show.

00:01:09.220 I saw a clip.

00:01:09.860 Okay, there we go.

00:01:10.400 Yeah.

00:01:10.620 So, yes.

00:01:11.580 But point being, we're talking about this.

00:01:14.500 Clay is omnipresent.

00:01:16.380 You know what I mean?

00:01:16.760 Those jackets that he wears, you guys have demanded more visuals.

00:01:20.180 I'm on, Fox News has got me basically on every day somewhere.

00:01:24.460 So, when you asked me, I was like, I couldn't even remember there for a sec where I was on America's newsroom this morning.

00:01:29.960 That's okay.

00:01:30.600 I saw you there and then you're Will's show.

00:01:32.060 My point being, he's talking about the Pam Bondi stuff.

00:01:34.620 I'm talking about the Pam Bondi stuff.

00:01:36.200 Everybody's talking about what's going to happen here in this Russia era, Russia collusion investigation.

00:01:41.020 And part of it is I spoke to Miranda Devine on Will's show and she said something I thought was interesting.

00:01:49.200 Maybe we should ping Miranda to come talk to us more about this because she raised this. 0.95

00:01:54.020 And I hadn't heard this before, so I'm just putting this out there.

00:01:57.440 You know, that's the thing.

00:01:58.320 You get to do a hit with some great people.

00:02:01.580 You know, a hit is our shorthand for TV appearance, if anyone's wondering.

00:02:05.200 And you sometimes will even learn things in the process.

00:02:07.540 She said, Clay, that the statute of limitations issues that clearly would come up in some cases, because five years.

00:02:16.540 Five years when you're talking about something happened ten years ago, that's not a tough call.

00:02:19.900 Ten-year statute of limitations also applies to some things, federal crimes.

00:02:23.580 That would have run. 0.84

00:02:24.780 But if the conspiracy was continued and there was cover-up and it even endured during some of the Trump years and beyond, perhaps into the Biden years, that would.

00:02:36.140 Now, I hadn't heard this before, but she indicated this on TV, that that could be a part of all of this.

00:02:42.520 Because short of that, I look at this, Clay, and I say, I don't understand what the statutory framework would be for the charges yet.

00:02:52.800 But I'm not a lawyer, but Clay's a lawyer.

00:02:55.640 We're going to get into this.

00:02:56.800 I think the grand jury probe into Obama officials is an interesting step.

00:03:02.500 I am still not convinced it is likely that any of them will face, even with a grand jury looking at them, criminal charges.

00:03:11.540 But I'm certainly open to and know I could be wrong.

00:03:14.640 What do you see, given where this is right now?

00:03:17.380 There are so many different angles that you can analyze this report from.

00:03:23.360 The one that I think is paramount and matters more than anything else is, where is the grand jury going to be impaneled?

00:03:30.880 And I haven't heard this widely discussed because, to me, it's the only thing that matters.

00:03:36.040 Because if they did a D.C.-based grand jury, I think the odds of anybody inside of Obama's administration getting indicted for anything related to Russia collusion are virtually zero.

00:03:49.100 And so, I think you would have to find a hook to move the grand jury out of D.C. and put it somewhere else.

00:03:57.620 Now, what I've heard being discussed is, because of the Mar-a-Lago raid, maybe the grand jury is going to be impaneled somewhere in South Florida, as the Mar-a-Lago case was.

00:04:09.760 Here is the challenge with that.

00:04:12.180 Do you think I could put on one of those glasses with mustache outfits and be like,

00:04:16.840 Hello, fellow citizens, put me on this grand jury?

00:04:19.760 Well, it would be funny, because in theory, you could be impaneled as a South Florida resident on one of these grand juries.

00:04:25.420 But I imagine that you would be stricken from the jury pool quite quickly.

00:04:29.000 I would imagine so, too, yes.

00:04:31.300 But, here is the challenge.

00:04:34.320 So, one, everything else, all I think that matters is where is the grand jury located?

00:04:39.740 Two, is there a, is the grand jury, if it were located in Florida, is that a valid grand jury?

00:04:49.320 And that's where you try to argue, oh, this is all part of one grand conspiracy to get Trump, and it includes even the Mar-a-Lago investigation and raid from the FBI.

00:05:01.260 I would imagine that almost immediately, you would see where the grand jury is located as a major part of any defense that was offered.

00:05:11.580 And remember, this became an issue, because initially, Jack Smith tried to impanel the Florida classified documents case in D.C.,

00:05:22.380 and then up at the last moment and recognized that he had a jurisdiction issue, a venue issue, and he suddenly moved it to South Florida.

00:05:31.180 This is me being a legal nerd and telling you where this case is headed.

00:05:35.360 Part of me wonders, Buck, whether this is partly just an exercise in following through on promises,

00:05:47.020 and if the jury declines to indict politically, the Trump team can just throw up their hands and say,

00:05:54.620 Democrats won't indict Democrats for committing crimes.

00:05:58.820 We did everything we could in this case, and then they think they win politically because it retains the issue here,

00:06:06.920 but they did everything they could do from a legal process perspective.

00:06:11.300 Does that make sense?

00:06:11.960 And by the way, we can take calls on this, because I know it's complicated,

00:06:15.700 but I think you've got the number one question that has to be resolved is, where is this grand jury going to be?

00:06:22.760 And for those of you out there that don't know, usually indictments are handed out by a grand jury,

00:06:28.020 and if you have a grand jury in D.C. that is 96% or 95% or whatever the heck the percentage is,

00:06:34.580 maybe 97% inclined to favor Democrats, I don't believe they're going to indict Hillary or former Obama officials.

00:06:43.880 If it's in D.C., there's, I would say, no chance.

00:06:47.740 Which is when I say, it's just a political move, because they can say we took this to the grand jury,

00:06:54.860 but the D.C. grand jury would not indict.

00:06:58.060 Remember, I give credit to the president, because he's also said this,

00:07:01.340 but we were the first show that I heard even talking about it.

00:07:04.320 Obama is going to be protected by presidential immunity the same way that Trump was protected by presidential immunity.

00:07:11.860 And there are people out there that will tell you that that's not true.

00:07:15.480 And maybe you listen to some of them.

00:07:16.920 I believe they are wrong, and I believe they are getting you fired up with the idea of,

00:07:22.040 oh, Obama's going to face charges.

00:07:23.900 Obama, I would be stunned beyond belief if he faced charges.

00:07:27.560 And if he did, he would immediately defend himself by saying,

00:07:32.120 hey, the same Supreme Court precedent that applied for Trump related to 2020 also applies for me.

00:07:37.680 And there's no chance in my mind, zero, Obama's going to face any indictment.

00:07:41.500 I'm just being honest with all of you.

00:07:43.120 I don't think anybody should think that that's going to happen.

00:07:45.460 It's just not going to happen.

00:07:47.160 He has immunity while he's president, and trying to prove something.

00:07:50.280 People can write in, well, what if we find something?

00:07:52.600 Well, you know, what if a million different things, you could say.

00:07:56.480 But the reality is, that's not, I think, going to.

00:07:59.520 Now, showing, doing what Tulsi Gabbard has done, and showing the way that the Obama officials

00:08:07.300 were clearly being disingenuous and dishonest in all of this is important for people to see.

00:08:14.340 The other problem is, with a lot of this stuff, you're going to run into,

00:08:17.040 anytime it's an interpretation of analysis, trying to say it's criminal is going to be very hard.

00:08:24.540 Even if anybody should have known.

00:08:26.960 I mean, you saw this with the FISA warrants they ran.

00:08:29.140 And again, against Papadopoulos, Carter Page, FBI stuff, they can say,

00:08:34.500 well, maybe it wasn't a lock, but we thought that this was good enough

00:08:38.640 that we should use our authority for the following reasons.

00:08:41.460 Now, there was that one guy who lied.

00:08:45.180 Now we're going back into the, this is a thing I've been covering for a decade, right?

00:08:49.780 So I've got to go back in the memory banks here.

00:08:51.520 There was that lawyer who lied and changed evidence so that they could get the FISA on,

00:08:58.560 I think it was Carter Page, and remove that he had been in good standing with the intelligence community

00:09:03.700 previously, something along those lines.

00:09:05.780 He was prosecuted and nothing actually ended up happening to him.

00:09:09.900 So just remember, I mean, he did not get punished at all.

00:09:13.820 So this is a challenge, and it was in D.C.

00:09:16.240 This is the point, it's in D.C.

00:09:18.220 To Clay's point, if they bring it in South Florida or somewhere else,

00:09:22.020 then things can get a little bit spicier. 0.50

00:09:24.500 That could be a little bit more interesting.

00:09:26.240 Here is another legal weeds analysis.

00:09:29.680 I question whether all of these things are connected.

00:09:34.520 So in order to have a conspiracy and argue that it's an ongoing conspiracy,

00:09:39.480 I actually think there are different crimes, and I think they have beginning and end dates.

00:09:45.320 I think that what happened with Russia is one crime, right? 1.00

00:09:48.840 The Russia collusion, the hoax, everything associated with that.

00:09:53.000 And it lasted for several years, and I think that is one thing.

00:09:56.880 I actually think that's different than the Mar-a-Lago raid

00:10:01.740 and also the 2020 investigations and all those things.

00:10:06.000 So I think connecting all of those issues to argue it's one grand conspiracy

00:10:12.260 is actually a challenging legal proposition because usually,

00:10:17.100 and I'll just give you an example,

00:10:18.400 if you and I, Buck, engaged in a conspiracy to rob a bank,

00:10:22.780 and then the bank robbery ended up happening one day,

00:10:26.460 and that was a finite finished scenario,

00:10:29.700 and then we engaged in an additional conspiracy,

00:10:32.340 and we decided to steal a boat,

00:10:35.060 I would argue that those are, you know,

00:10:37.960 hopefully we don't do either of those things,

00:10:39.920 but I would argue that those are two distinct crimes,

00:10:42.760 and our partnership, even though we're involved in the same thing,

00:10:46.660 would not necessarily be a conspiracy

00:10:48.880 because they have an open-and-shut closed date.

00:10:52.080 I think that's going to be a challenge to argue

00:10:54.320 that all of this is interconnected and that matters

00:10:58.460 because that would then give the,

00:11:00.620 that's the hook that allows the jurisdiction to be outside of D.C.

00:11:05.120 because otherwise, I think most people would say,

00:11:07.480 yeah, the Russia collusion case should be D.C.,

00:11:10.020 and by the way, I think the 2020 investigation

00:11:14.280 into the election would be D.C.,

00:11:17.760 but Mar-a-Lago is different.

00:11:19.240 So I see those as distinct.

00:11:21.200 I also think part of the frustration,

00:11:23.560 and that's why I believe it's necessary for us

00:11:26.980 to all set our expectations within what is likely.

00:11:30.140 Like I said, I could, Pam Bondi,

00:11:32.440 there could be an announcement,

00:11:33.400 there could be a press conference in a couple of weeks,

00:11:36.340 whenever, hey, you know, this guy,

00:11:38.920 that guy who worked for Obama is facing falling charges.

00:11:41.160 I'm not saying that's impossible or not on the table.

00:11:43.620 I think it's highly unlikely.

00:11:45.560 But I think that part of the frustration,

00:11:48.520 and it's unlikely for procedural reasons, right?

00:11:51.300 I don't need anyone to email me and remind me,

00:11:54.300 I lived, ate, ate, rather, ate,

00:11:57.920 and breathed Russia collusion conspiracy

00:12:00.700 for years of my life.

00:12:02.060 I was doing a solo radio show before I teamed up with Clay.

00:12:04.220 This was day in and day out.

00:12:06.320 They were spying.

00:12:07.140 They lied.

00:12:07.860 There's nothing with Russia. 0.95

00:12:08.880 So trust me, I'm well aware

00:12:10.260 of all the nasty and evil things they did.

00:12:12.940 But we have a system,

00:12:14.040 and within that legal system,

00:12:15.940 there are some challenges

00:12:17.140 to going after these individuals,

00:12:19.360 even knowing what they did.

00:12:20.640 Now, I think part of the frustration on this, Clay,

00:12:23.340 is we've all seen

00:12:24.860 that when the shoe is on the other foot,

00:12:27.220 and when Democrats are in a position to do so,

00:12:29.400 whether it's the Mar-a-Lago raid

00:12:31.120 or the FISA warrants

00:12:32.060 or the special counsels

00:12:33.120 or the impeachments

00:12:34.440 or the four criminal prosecutions

00:12:35.860 or all the...

00:12:36.660 They abused their authority in bad faith

00:12:39.780 as a political weapon

00:12:41.060 against their opponents.

00:12:42.460 And the real question for MAGA,

00:12:44.520 I think, in this moment,

00:12:45.640 for everybody who supports the president,

00:12:47.740 is do we play within this system

00:12:50.660 as Boy Scouts?

00:12:53.360 No offense, Boy Scouts.

00:12:55.040 Or do the brass knuckles come out

00:12:57.420 in what we can justify,

00:12:59.740 what we can get away with justifying

00:13:01.580 we do through the system

00:13:02.900 instead of operating

00:13:04.580 in the best possible faith

00:13:06.120 within the system?

00:13:07.160 I think that's a real discussion

00:13:10.140 or a real thought process

00:13:11.400 that's going on here.

00:13:12.220 Meaning, you know,

00:13:12.840 do you bring a charge

00:13:13.740 even if you know you can't prove it

00:13:15.140 because you're going to make them lawyer up

00:13:16.920 and mess them up

00:13:17.940 and the process is the punishment?

00:13:19.720 That remains to be seen.

00:13:21.280 I think that's important, too,

00:13:22.840 because you could get indictments

00:13:24.540 and then the indictments

00:13:26.140 or the underlying crimes

00:13:27.820 are going to be litigated for years.

00:13:30.180 Remember,

00:13:31.000 they got indictments

00:13:32.020 on all the Mar-a-Lago raids.

00:13:33.740 And then before Trump won re-election,

00:13:36.940 the judge down there

00:13:38.140 tossed that entire case.

00:13:39.720 I believe in July of 2024,

00:13:42.520 if I remember correctly.

00:13:43.900 So my concern would be

00:13:45.620 just because you get an indictment

00:13:47.160 doesn't mean that you've got

00:13:48.320 a valid upstanding

00:13:49.920 going to withstand

00:13:51.400 all of the criminal challenges

00:13:53.660 that will be coming.

00:13:54.800 So this is complicated.

00:13:56.560 We'll take calls.

00:13:57.740 We're not talking about

00:13:58.700 what should necessarily happen

00:14:00.600 as much as the challenges

00:14:02.500 that have to be followed

00:14:04.060 in order to put something in place.

00:14:06.540 I think beyond a shadow of a doubt,

00:14:07.700 they have to do it in Florida

00:14:08.860 if they're going to even hope

00:14:10.000 to get an indictment.

00:14:11.060 And I also think that

00:14:12.220 as all this unfolds,

00:14:14.100 I get it.

00:14:15.180 A lot of people want

00:14:16.440 an eye-for-an-eye attitude

00:14:18.940 now that Trump

00:14:20.820 and his team runs the system.

00:14:23.220 You know,

00:14:23.740 we used to say,

00:14:24.480 I'll just point this out,

00:14:25.760 conservatives, Clay,

00:14:26.840 used to be,

00:14:27.620 we don't want the other side 0.97

00:14:29.040 to get canceled.

00:14:29.980 We just don't want anyone

00:14:30.940 to be canceled.

00:14:31.680 You know what?

00:14:31.980 That didn't work

00:14:32.620 until all of a sudden

00:14:34.160 you had the Bud Light effect

00:14:36.120 until you had people

00:14:37.180 that were suffering consequences

00:14:39.360 for their bad actions.

00:14:42.620 Yes.

00:14:42.960 They kept doing it

00:14:43.760 and doing it and doing it.

00:14:45.680 An eye-for-an-eye

00:14:46.600 within the system,

00:14:47.740 as long as it's within the system

00:14:48.900 and you can justify it,

00:14:50.300 I think some people

00:14:51.020 want to see that.

00:14:51.980 And that's where

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00:16:45.820 We're talking about

00:16:47.440 the impaneling

00:16:49.600 of a grand jury

00:16:50.360 to look into

00:16:50.980 the Russia collusion

00:16:52.800 conspiracy

00:16:53.740 that has spanned

00:16:55.520 a decade now

00:16:56.620 and was really

00:16:57.320 the original

00:16:58.460 ultra-dirty trick

00:17:00.920 used against Trump

00:17:02.920 to try to stop him

00:17:04.060 before MAGA

00:17:05.740 could even get going.

00:17:07.740 It was meant to,

00:17:08.940 you know,

00:17:11.020 smother MAGA

00:17:11.780 with a pillow.

00:17:12.620 It was really

00:17:13.460 an insidious effort

00:17:15.500 using the media

00:17:16.780 elements of the deep state

00:17:18.800 within the intelligence community

00:17:20.120 and, yes,

00:17:20.860 the White House

00:17:21.500 in the control

00:17:22.620 of the Obama regime

00:17:24.380 at the time.

00:17:25.560 And we're just trying

00:17:26.300 to tell you

00:17:26.800 where this stands now

00:17:27.960 and where it's likely to go.

00:17:30.500 And with that in mind,

00:17:31.920 let's dive into

00:17:34.600 some of these emails

00:17:35.660 and some of these calls, Clay.

00:17:37.160 We have Mike

00:17:39.240 in North Carolina.

00:17:40.240 He's a caller, right?

00:17:41.180 Let's hear from Mike.

00:17:41.940 What's going on?

00:17:43.580 Hey, fellas. 0.59

00:17:44.260 Thanks a lot.

00:17:44.960 You guys are doing

00:17:45.500 a great job.

00:17:47.020 Thank you.

00:17:47.440 I am almost

00:17:49.100 a 50-year veteran

00:17:50.160 of law enforcement.

00:17:51.500 I've got lots

00:17:52.800 of contacts

00:17:53.560 that are federal prosecutors

00:17:55.960 that have risen

00:17:57.800 to just about

00:17:58.720 the highest position

00:18:00.260 short of Pam Bondi's office.

00:18:04.140 And I've discussed

00:18:05.440 this whole issue

00:18:06.340 with them.

00:18:07.740 And it's not good.

00:18:10.500 So everybody probably

00:18:12.120 shouldn't get their hopes

00:18:13.260 up too high.

00:18:14.160 The statute of limitations

00:18:18.800 is going to be a problem

00:18:20.020 once they get into court

00:18:21.560 because they don't believe

00:18:23.460 that the recent acts clause

00:18:25.720 in the conspiracy

00:18:27.660 will hold up.

00:18:29.940 They don't think

00:18:30.760 that they can use it.

00:18:32.740 RICO is going to be 1.00

00:18:35.340 lacking the myriad

00:18:37.220 of minor crimes,

00:18:39.760 minor,

00:18:40.100 but the lesser crimes.

00:18:43.400 And wire fraud

00:18:45.320 is probably going

00:18:46.380 to be a real tough

00:18:47.900 one to do too.

00:18:49.280 The good point

00:18:50.140 is that perjury

00:18:52.080 will definitely

00:18:52.640 be in play

00:18:53.380 because once

00:18:54.460 the conspiracy

00:18:56.920 and the lies

00:18:57.640 came out,

00:18:59.180 they continue

00:19:00.160 to push it

00:19:01.200 while under oath.

00:19:03.160 So that's

00:19:04.380 a good thing.

00:19:05.100 Thank you for the call.

00:19:06.500 Let me dive into this

00:19:07.460 a little bit, Buck,

00:19:08.180 and I'll start in reverse

00:19:09.220 because he finished

00:19:09.860 with perjury.

00:19:11.300 Perjury is really

00:19:12.540 hard to prove.

00:19:14.420 It is just

00:19:15.280 really hard to prove,

00:19:16.940 especially if you're

00:19:17.960 dealing with someone

00:19:19.020 who is actually smart.

00:19:21.620 And I'll go back

00:19:22.640 to, you know,

00:19:24.260 that depends on

00:19:25.460 what the meaning

00:19:26.100 of the word is

00:19:27.600 is for those of you

00:19:29.120 who remember

00:19:29.820 the Clinton era.

00:19:32.020 You know,

00:19:32.640 remember when

00:19:33.100 he committed perjury,

00:19:34.300 but that's okay.

00:19:35.000 He actually committed

00:19:36.180 perjury, right?

00:19:36.960 But the way

00:19:37.980 that he would

00:19:38.320 answer questions,

00:19:39.500 he said,

00:19:40.920 you know,

00:19:41.320 there is no

00:19:42.020 relationship.

00:19:43.740 There are lots

00:19:45.060 of angles

00:19:45.800 where you're

00:19:46.960 able to

00:19:47.880 dodge around.

00:19:49.020 The only reason,

00:19:49.920 by the way,

00:19:50.260 Bill Clinton

00:19:50.660 got caught

00:19:51.180 for perjury,

00:19:51.820 correct me if I'm

00:19:52.340 wrong,

00:19:53.020 is because

00:19:53.580 Monica Lewinsky

00:19:54.480 saved the dress

00:19:55.940 and they were

00:19:57.180 able to

00:19:58.000 prove

00:19:59.160 that based on that.

00:19:59.720 Yeah, I did not

00:20:00.080 have a sexual

00:20:00.600 relationship with 0.95

00:20:01.500 that woman. 1.00

00:20:02.060 I mean, 1.00

00:20:02.260 he was a liar. 1.00

00:20:03.520 He committed 1.00

00:20:03.780 perjury,

00:20:04.420 black letter,

00:20:05.340 clear, obvious

00:20:05.880 perjury,

00:20:06.300 but I can give

00:20:06.720 you.

00:20:07.900 But only,

00:20:08.580 I think,

00:20:08.900 because she

00:20:09.440 kept that dress.

00:20:10.780 If that dress

00:20:11.300 had not existed,

00:20:12.240 I think it would

00:20:13.160 have been hard

00:20:13.620 to prove.

00:20:14.240 It would have

00:20:14.480 been a he said,

00:20:15.160 she said,

00:20:15.780 and it would

00:20:16.420 have been hard

00:20:16.960 to prove whether

00:20:18.000 or not Monica

00:20:19.360 Lewinsky was being

00:20:20.260 honest or he was. 0.62

00:20:21.600 I will say a great

00:20:23.840 example of somebody

00:20:24.840 who has not faced

00:20:26.180 any charges and

00:20:27.220 will not face any

00:20:28.120 charges despite 0.93

00:20:28.820 being a liar, 0.98

00:20:30.740 but he's a creature 0.99

00:20:31.680 of the bureaucracy,

00:20:32.500 is Fauci.

00:20:34.760 Everything he says,

00:20:35.880 he goes,

00:20:36.300 you know,

00:20:36.880 the data was

00:20:38.300 coming from

00:20:39.020 multiple sources

00:20:40.420 and I looked at

00:20:41.860 this and I

00:20:42.680 looked at that

00:20:43.640 and it was

00:20:44.140 complicated and

00:20:45.420 it was,

00:20:45.840 if someone can

00:20:47.040 turn your brain 0.91

00:20:48.040 to mush with 0.93

00:20:49.520 kind of vague

00:20:50.760 non-answers on,

00:20:52.260 it's very hard to

00:20:53.280 get them with

00:20:53.740 perjury unless

00:20:54.940 you have a thing.

00:20:56.060 I brought this up

00:20:56.780 in the context of

00:20:57.460 counter-terrorism

00:20:58.060 cases,

00:20:59.100 why did guys

00:20:59.960 who were,

00:21:00.780 and it was guys,

00:21:02.020 who were raising

00:21:03.160 money for Al-Qaeda

00:21:04.200 or, you know,

00:21:06.080 bought a weapon

00:21:06.920 illegally for a guy

00:21:08.080 who was an

00:21:08.700 Anwar al-Awlaki

00:21:09.640 sympathizer,

00:21:10.580 things like that,

00:21:11.420 why did they get

00:21:12.020 nailed on perjury

00:21:13.000 charges?

00:21:14.120 Because they would,

00:21:16.080 the investigators,

00:21:17.600 usually FBI,

00:21:18.760 the investigators

00:21:19.280 would sit down

00:21:19.860 with them and

00:21:20.580 ask them answers

00:21:21.240 to questions

00:21:21.720 they already knew

00:21:22.620 and hammer them

00:21:23.600 on a few times

00:21:24.660 and they didn't

00:21:25.360 realize,

00:21:25.980 because they didn't

00:21:26.300 have a lawyer with

00:21:26.940 them,

00:21:27.120 it's very illegal

00:21:27.860 to lie to the FBI

00:21:28.760 about whether you

00:21:29.560 bought explosives

00:21:30.240 material for somebody

00:21:31.240 or something like

00:21:31.960 that, right?

00:21:32.660 So even if you

00:21:33.380 couldn't prove the

00:21:34.080 criminal terrorist

00:21:35.040 conspiracy,

00:21:35.840 you had them

00:21:36.640 dead to rights

00:21:37.560 on the lie

00:21:38.280 and then they

00:21:38.800 end up pleading

00:21:39.380 and they take

00:21:39.820 for five years

00:21:40.460 or, you know,

00:21:40.960 seven years

00:21:41.380 with the terrorism

00:21:41.920 enhancement,

00:21:42.440 something like that.

00:21:43.620 You're not going

00:21:44.360 to get that

00:21:44.880 with these guys.

00:21:46.220 This is,

00:21:46.640 you've got to

00:21:46.820 remember,

00:21:47.080 I know that we

00:21:48.320 think of them

00:21:48.820 as bumbling 1.00

00:21:49.760 buffoons, 1.00

00:21:50.420 and they are

00:21:50.900 at some level,

00:21:51.860 but they're also

00:21:52.760 creatures, Clay,

00:21:53.800 of the intelligence

00:21:54.380 community and the

00:21:54.960 bureaucracy.

00:21:55.940 People like

00:21:56.560 Brennan,

00:21:57.120 and Clapper,

00:21:58.460 they've been

00:21:59.020 mumbling through

00:22:00.060 testimony for as

00:22:01.660 long as I've been

00:22:02.460 alive.

00:22:03.680 This is what

00:22:04.360 these guys do.

00:22:06.060 So thinking that

00:22:06.740 they're going to

00:22:07.440 say, you know,

00:22:08.880 oh, I'm telling

00:22:10.000 a big obvious lie

00:22:11.140 you can prove,

00:22:12.280 maybe you get

00:22:13.520 them on this,

00:22:14.440 but very unlikely.

00:22:16.020 We haven't got

00:22:17.020 them on it yet.

00:22:18.580 I would also,

00:22:19.740 usually perjury

00:22:20.600 has a very set

00:22:21.580 statute of limitations,

00:22:22.620 and much of the

00:22:24.480 testimony relating

00:22:25.560 to Russia collusion,

00:22:26.880 I believe,

00:22:27.680 would be past

00:22:28.360 the perjury statute.

00:22:29.120 It's all five years.

00:22:30.360 It's all,

00:22:30.680 yeah,

00:22:31.080 perjury's all five years,

00:22:32.080 and I just say this,

00:22:32.920 people are saying now,

00:22:34.180 put them through the

00:22:35.120 process and get them

00:22:36.140 to lie.

00:22:37.480 They don't have to

00:22:38.460 testify.

00:22:39.600 Everything will be

00:22:40.240 through lawyers.

00:22:41.320 They're not more,

00:22:42.000 they're not,

00:22:42.360 I mean,

00:22:42.820 I say things sometimes

00:22:43.760 like they're,

00:22:44.260 you know,

00:22:44.420 there's different levels 1.00

00:22:45.060 of moron, 1.00

00:22:46.000 but you're not 1.00

00:22:47.260 going to get

00:22:47.720 John Brennan

00:22:48.500 to perjure himself

00:22:49.820 when he doesn't

00:22:50.600 even have to testify

00:22:51.740 about one of these

00:22:53.520 matters.

00:22:54.060 You know,

00:22:54.260 this is,

00:22:54.900 we just need to keep

00:22:55.620 this in the realm

00:22:56.260 of reality a little bit.

00:22:57.840 That's what I think

00:22:58.640 is important.

00:22:59.660 I mean,

00:22:59.920 people,

00:23:00.220 by the way,

00:23:00.520 a lot of people

00:23:00.980 calling in Clay,

00:23:01.920 you know what,

00:23:02.660 and this I get,

00:23:03.680 they just want the

00:23:04.240 process to be the

00:23:04.940 punishment.

00:23:05.100 Yeah,

00:23:05.440 I understand that.

00:23:07.200 Let me say this,

00:23:08.180 by the way,

00:23:08.500 on the conspiracy

00:23:09.140 element,

00:23:10.220 when I was in

00:23:10.900 criminal law class,

00:23:12.040 we had a great

00:23:12.580 professor,

00:23:13.220 Don Hall,

00:23:14.220 and he used to say,

00:23:15.700 this is the reality

00:23:17.020 inside of criminal

00:23:18.520 prosecutions.

00:23:20.340 They will say,

00:23:21.640 boy,

00:23:21.940 we don't have them

00:23:22.680 on hardly anything.

00:23:24.280 Let's just get them

00:23:25.100 on a conspiracy.

00:23:26.340 Right?

00:23:26.840 So,

00:23:27.220 this is a very

00:23:28.240 broad-based charge.

00:23:29.920 My concern on

00:23:30.840 the conspiracy,

00:23:32.220 again,

00:23:32.600 this is where we

00:23:33.080 started the show,

00:23:33.840 is how do you

00:23:35.240 locate the

00:23:36.300 conspiracy charges

00:23:37.540 in Florida?

00:23:39.060 The only way

00:23:39.860 to do that

00:23:40.560 with the Russia

00:23:41.200 collusion case

00:23:42.140 is to argue

00:23:42.780 it's one grand

00:23:43.960 conspiracy.

00:23:44.660 I think that's

00:23:45.700 a very hard

00:23:46.620 putt to sink.

00:23:48.020 So,

00:23:48.220 my concern

00:23:48.960 is getting

00:23:50.260 Russia collusion

00:23:51.560 charges,

00:23:52.560 to me,

00:23:53.280 would almost

00:23:53.840 certainly require

00:23:55.040 a D.C.

00:23:55.820 grand jury,

00:23:56.580 which I don't

00:23:57.220 think a D.C.

00:23:57.920 grand jury

00:23:58.380 is willing to

00:23:59.120 indict.

00:23:59.580 So,

00:23:59.720 you have to

00:24:00.080 get it to

00:24:00.380 Florida,

00:24:00.880 but then you

00:24:01.660 get the

00:24:01.980 challenge of,

00:24:02.940 is the

00:24:03.200 conspiracy

00:24:03.740 actually the

00:24:04.660 appropriate venue

00:24:05.700 in Florida?

00:24:06.520 I understand

00:24:07.100 this is complicated,

00:24:07.860 but I'm trying

00:24:08.880 to tell you

00:24:09.580 where we are

00:24:10.380 headed from a

00:24:11.440 legal process

00:24:12.380 and procedure

00:24:13.180 and this is

00:24:14.280 why it's

00:24:14.560 complicated.

00:24:15.160 Now,

00:24:15.200 to your point,

00:24:15.700 Buck,

00:24:15.880 some people

00:24:16.220 are just like, 0.70

00:24:16.820 screw it,

00:24:17.480 bring the charges,

00:24:18.400 get the story

00:24:19.040 out there,

00:24:19.660 who cares what

00:24:20.380 happens?

00:24:20.980 This is the

00:24:21.480 eye for an eye

00:24:22.100 approach,

00:24:22.600 which,

00:24:22.920 by the way,

00:24:23.820 I understand.

00:24:25.160 I'm not discounting

00:24:26.580 it,

00:24:26.900 I'm just saying

00:24:27.680 that that's a

00:24:28.720 different thing

00:24:29.380 than I think

00:24:30.560 we'll be able

00:24:31.160 to take this

00:24:31.760 all the way,

00:24:32.500 get criminal

00:24:33.000 convictions that

00:24:33.700 will be upheld

00:24:34.280 on appeal

00:24:34.760 and that people

00:24:35.160 are going to

00:24:35.520 go to prison.

00:24:36.280 That's a different

00:24:36.880 thing than, 0.72

00:24:38.120 screw it,

00:24:38.880 let's just 0.91

00:24:39.480 make these guys

00:24:40.480 pay whatever price

00:24:41.300 we can,

00:24:41.760 we know

00:24:42.020 that they're 1.00

00:24:42.300 scumbags. 1.00

00:24:43.080 That's also 0.99

00:24:43.640 a valid

00:24:44.740 philosophical

00:24:45.400 position.

00:24:46.900 Let's get

00:24:47.620 Roger in a

00:24:48.400 story of

00:24:48.860 Queens.

00:24:49.260 What's going

00:24:49.540 on,

00:24:49.800 Roger?

00:24:52.760 Hey,

00:24:53.280 guys,

00:24:53.580 you just

00:24:53.880 stole my

00:24:54.380 thunder there.

00:24:55.960 Oh.

00:24:56.600 What I was

00:24:56.960 going to say

00:24:57.540 is,

00:24:57.980 what I was

00:24:58.520 going to say

00:24:59.060 is,

00:24:59.420 I think

00:24:59.800 it's,

00:25:01.040 what's going

00:25:02.040 on now

00:25:02.660 is a

00:25:03.020 success.

00:25:03.600 you've got

00:25:06.700 Obama,

00:25:09.300 you've got

00:25:09.740 Comey, 1.00

00:25:10.620 you've got

00:25:10.980 Brennan,

00:25:11.840 and to

00:25:12.180 them,

00:25:13.300 their egos

00:25:13.820 are so

00:25:14.320 large that

00:25:15.780 they want

00:25:16.980 to be

00:25:17.200 thought of

00:25:17.580 as gods,

00:25:18.460 and this

00:25:18.880 is bringing

00:25:19.320 them down.

00:25:20.040 This is

00:25:20.320 showing the

00:25:20.820 people just

00:25:22.120 what type

00:25:23.580 of political

00:25:24.820 hacks they 0.99

00:25:25.540 were.

00:25:28.060 Yeah,

00:25:28.580 that's the

00:25:29.080 thank you,

00:25:29.500 Roger.

00:25:29.780 This is the

00:25:30.140 political

00:25:30.440 accountability

00:25:32.200 part of it,

00:25:32.960 which I

00:25:33.240 do think

00:25:34.300 is important

00:25:34.760 and valid,

00:25:35.340 so thank

00:25:35.660 you for

00:25:35.920 calling in

00:25:36.300 on that.

00:25:36.980 Clay,

00:25:37.500 I think

00:25:37.680 that's

00:25:37.940 real.

00:25:38.220 The more

00:25:38.440 people know 0.85

00:25:39.160 how gross

00:25:40.440 and underhanded

00:25:41.420 these efforts

00:25:42.480 were,

00:25:43.240 it stays

00:25:43.700 with them

00:25:44.060 longer,

00:25:44.840 and some

00:25:45.220 of these

00:25:45.520 people still

00:25:46.580 think they

00:25:46.960 should have

00:25:47.280 a say,

00:25:47.700 I mean,

00:25:47.880 certainly

00:25:48.120 Obama does,

00:25:49.000 in our

00:25:49.620 public discourse

00:25:51.060 and in

00:25:51.360 national

00:25:51.680 elections.

00:25:52.380 I also

00:25:53.080 think this

00:25:53.500 is important

00:25:53.940 to build

00:25:54.380 on what

00:25:54.660 he said

00:25:55.040 about the

00:25:55.840 process

00:25:56.260 and having

00:25:56.940 some sort

00:25:57.560 of public

00:25:58.520 hearing on

00:25:59.560 this and

00:26:00.080 a reckoning,

00:26:01.420 for lack

00:26:01.720 of a better

00:26:02.040 way to say

00:26:02.600 it.

00:26:02.960 You know

00:26:03.520 when Trump

00:26:03.920 got charged,

00:26:05.060 we told

00:26:05.880 all of you

00:26:06.780 for months

00:26:07.620 they're going

00:26:08.540 to charge

00:26:09.140 him,

00:26:09.680 this is

00:26:10.180 coming,

00:26:10.740 we don't

00:26:11.080 think it's

00:26:11.460 legitimate,

00:26:12.220 but we're

00:26:12.560 laying out

00:26:13.240 all of the

00:26:13.900 different

00:26:14.200 parameters

00:26:14.760 associated

00:26:15.300 with it.

00:26:15.940 On the

00:26:16.680 left,

00:26:17.200 if charges

00:26:17.900 come down,

00:26:19.940 does that

00:26:20.400 audience have

00:26:21.060 any idea

00:26:21.780 that there's

00:26:22.320 enough

00:26:22.620 legitimacy

00:26:23.160 for charges

00:26:24.160 to be

00:26:24.560 brought here?

00:26:25.140 Because they've

00:26:25.680 been told

00:26:26.340 all of

00:26:27.300 Russia collusion

00:26:28.100 was true,

00:26:29.260 they've been

00:26:29.740 told everything

00:26:30.660 that Tulsi

00:26:31.260 Gabbard said

00:26:31.980 is made up,

00:26:32.760 there's no

00:26:33.700 legitimacy to

00:26:34.640 it whatsoever.

00:26:35.940 You guys,

00:26:36.800 meaning everybody

00:26:37.360 listening to us

00:26:38.320 right now,

00:26:39.120 you were super

00:26:39.920 well informed,

00:26:40.860 we covered it

00:26:41.520 aggressively on

00:26:42.440 New York City,

00:26:43.320 on Atlanta,

00:26:44.420 on South

00:26:45.000 Florida,

00:26:45.860 on D.C.,

00:26:47.380 and we really

00:26:48.220 kind of told you

00:26:48.940 where we were

00:26:49.480 headed, what was

00:26:50.180 likely to come.

00:26:51.280 I don't think any

00:26:51.820 of you were

00:26:52.320 shocked by what

00:26:53.260 you saw transpire

00:26:54.400 there.

00:26:54.660 what is the

00:26:55.900 average MSNBC

00:26:56.980 viewer or

00:26:58.160 New York

00:26:59.660 going to

00:27:00.660 think if

00:27:01.280 suddenly

00:27:01.820 indictments

00:27:02.680 come down

00:27:03.440 for lies

00:27:04.480 associated with

00:27:05.460 Russia collusion?

00:27:07.540 I think that's

00:27:08.180 a real,

00:27:08.520 now they're

00:27:08.800 probably going

00:27:09.380 to say,

00:27:09.720 oh,

00:27:09.800 this is

00:27:10.100 unprecedented,

00:27:10.940 this is a

00:27:11.320 president.

00:27:11.640 They'll say

00:27:12.040 it's invalid,

00:27:12.840 but I think

00:27:13.500 the point you're

00:27:14.140 making is they

00:27:14.780 will be

00:27:15.180 completely

00:27:15.980 blindsided

00:27:17.460 out of nowhere

00:27:18.040 like lightning

00:27:18.720 that this could

00:27:19.280 occur.

00:27:19.620 Yeah,

00:27:20.240 I think that's

00:27:21.360 right.

00:27:21.940 Greg in

00:27:22.460 Orlando,

00:27:22.960 Florida,

00:27:23.280 what's going

00:27:23.580 on,

00:27:23.820 Greg?

00:27:25.980 I'm a truck

00:27:26.560 driver,

00:27:26.980 so my favorite

00:27:27.820 time of the

00:27:28.200 day is 12 to

00:27:28.800 3 here in

00:27:29.340 Florida.

00:27:30.300 They love our

00:27:31.120 truck drivers,

00:27:31.860 thank you,

00:27:32.260 Greg.

00:27:33.240 No problem.

00:27:34.720 What's that

00:27:35.280 quote,

00:27:35.640 all spares,

00:27:36.240 love and war?

00:27:36.820 I think it

00:27:37.140 should be love,

00:27:37.820 war and politics.

00:27:38.980 I think we

00:27:39.360 should go blow

00:27:39.960 to blow with 0.99

00:27:40.480 them, 0.51

00:27:41.120 and if we

00:27:41.640 can't get

00:27:42.020 them legally,

00:27:42.640 at least try

00:27:44.120 to get them

00:27:44.580 on accountability

00:27:45.380 a little bit

00:27:46.000 more,

00:27:46.680 and like Clay

00:27:47.320 saying,

00:27:47.780 bring the light

00:27:48.520 to what they're

00:27:49.360 doing,

00:27:49.620 more people

00:27:50.480 will know,

00:27:51.380 and if we

00:27:52.040 can't get

00:27:52.360 them legally

00:27:52.760 at least morally

00:27:54.180 and ethically,

00:27:54.880 people will have

00:27:55.360 a little bit

00:27:55.800 bigger open

00:27:56.520 eyes and realize

00:27:57.380 what they've

00:27:57.860 done and

00:27:58.700 remember that

00:27:59.380 with future

00:28:00.060 elections and

00:28:00.720 anything else

00:28:01.200 that comes up.

00:28:02.380 I think that's

00:28:03.280 a great call,

00:28:04.240 and I think

00:28:04.820 that's really

00:28:05.540 what you

00:28:06.260 should expect

00:28:07.180 and hope

00:28:07.860 to have

00:28:08.580 occurring here

00:28:09.800 is just

00:28:11.200 a public

00:28:11.760 reckoning,

00:28:12.560 even if we

00:28:13.040 don't get

00:28:13.360 a criminal

00:28:13.940 court reckoning,

00:28:15.180 because I'm

00:28:15.680 telling you,

00:28:16.100 this is going

00:28:16.480 to get bogged

00:28:17.020 down.

00:28:17.380 By the way,

00:28:18.080 a lot of

00:28:18.540 $3,000 and

00:28:19.400 $4,000 an hour

00:28:21.000 criminal defense

00:28:21.960 attorneys in

00:28:22.740 D.C.

00:28:23.220 buck that are

00:28:24.160 just rubbing

00:28:24.880 their hands

00:28:25.540 with glee

00:28:26.260 because they

00:28:26.980 want charges

00:28:27.760 to come down

00:28:28.440 because you

00:28:28.840 know who the

00:28:29.240 real winner

00:28:29.760 here is?

00:28:30.820 Criminal defense

00:28:31.660 lawyers.

00:28:32.480 Because Democrats

00:28:33.080 are going to pay

00:28:33.780 them tens of

00:28:34.580 millions of

00:28:35.100 dollars in

00:28:35.680 legal defense

00:28:36.400 fees that all

00:28:37.300 their rich

00:28:37.820 benefactors,

00:28:38.720 the Soroses 0.60

00:28:39.360 of the world,

00:28:40.220 are going to

00:28:40.900 fund,

00:28:41.740 and those guys

00:28:42.740 are just like,

00:28:43.700 it's bonus season,

00:28:45.200 baby.

00:28:45.420 I'm going

00:28:45.700 to go buy

00:28:46.080 a new

00:28:46.360 house.

00:28:46.860 I'm telling

00:28:47.220 you right

00:28:47.620 now,

00:28:47.900 this is

00:28:48.080 exactly the

00:28:48.580 conversations

00:28:49.100 they're having.

00:28:50.140 Ruth in

00:28:50.800 Cape Coral,

00:28:51.500 Florida,

00:28:51.820 a lot of

00:28:52.120 Florida

00:28:52.360 representatives,

00:28:53.220 representation

00:28:53.800 rather,

00:28:54.360 on today's

00:28:54.700 show.

00:28:54.840 What's going

00:28:55.100 on,

00:28:55.300 Ruth?

00:28:57.040 Hi,

00:28:57.680 good afternoon,

00:28:58.680 Clay and

00:28:59.060 Buck.

00:28:59.880 Yeah,

00:29:00.320 I was calling

00:29:01.200 about presidential

00:29:02.340 immunity,

00:29:03.060 but before I

00:29:04.060 get into my 0.73

00:29:04.960 point on that,

00:29:06.020 just wanted to

00:29:06.560 make a quick

00:29:07.040 observation about

00:29:08.140 grand

00:29:08.460 conspiracy.

00:29:09.940 You were

00:29:10.700 indicating that

00:29:11.620 you felt that

00:29:12.480 the parts of

00:29:13.560 the grand

00:29:13.900 conspiracy were all

00:29:14.900 separate.

00:29:15.420 but I think

00:29:16.800 if they have

00:29:17.480 evidence showing

00:29:18.420 that the same

00:29:19.200 people coordinated

00:29:20.640 all these

00:29:22.860 efforts.

00:29:25.280 Just to be

00:29:27.240 clear,

00:29:27.660 Clay thinks

00:29:28.620 that it's very

00:29:29.280 hard to prove

00:29:30.160 the grand

00:29:33.500 conspiracy all

00:29:34.640 ties together.

00:29:35.700 So you're

00:29:36.000 saying you

00:29:36.420 think it'll

00:29:36.780 be easier

00:29:37.260 than he

00:29:37.900 maybe thinks?

00:29:39.740 If they have

00:29:40.940 evidence showing

00:29:41.780 that the same

00:29:42.660 people perpetrated

00:29:44.520 the conspiracy,

00:29:45.420 that I think

00:29:46.200 my argument

00:29:47.660 with that is

00:29:48.820 let me just

00:29:49.900 say like Barack

00:29:50.720 Obama was

00:29:51.660 definitely involved

00:29:52.660 in the Russia

00:29:53.620 investigation and

00:29:54.960 collusion.

00:29:56.180 I don't think

00:29:56.700 Barack Obama

00:29:57.520 was involved in

00:29:59.060 the decision for

00:30:00.200 the FBI to

00:30:01.320 raid the

00:30:01.800 Department of

00:30:02.380 Justice,

00:30:02.920 right?

00:30:03.140 to raid Mar-a-Lago.

00:30:08.740 He was not in

00:30:09.680 office at that

00:30:10.520 point.

00:30:10.980 So for him to

00:30:12.140 be involved in

00:30:12.960 that, I think

00:30:13.920 it's hard to have

00:30:15.160 conspirators that are

00:30:16.100 part of a conspiracy

00:30:17.020 for one conspiracy

00:30:18.260 and not for

00:30:19.060 another.

00:30:19.980 And so I think

00:30:21.480 it's separate.

00:30:22.420 Ruth, you had

00:30:22.980 another point,

00:30:23.520 though?

00:30:23.720 We got only about

00:30:24.480 30 seconds, but go

00:30:25.320 for it.

00:30:25.740 Yes, I do.

00:30:27.020 I do.

00:30:27.420 Okay.

00:30:27.980 With absolute

00:30:28.860 presidential immunity,

00:30:30.020 there were two parts

00:30:30.940 to that Supreme

00:30:31.660 Court decision.

00:30:32.480 One was absolute

00:30:33.200 immunity.

00:30:34.100 The other was

00:30:34.700 presumed immunity.

00:30:36.020 And they kicked it

00:30:36.900 back to the lower

00:30:37.600 courts so that they

00:30:39.240 would have to

00:30:39.980 determine which

00:30:40.840 were official acts

00:30:41.620 and which were not.

00:30:42.560 But if you

00:30:43.240 remember, it was

00:30:44.220 one of the liberal

00:30:45.020 justices, Ketanji

00:30:46.300 Brown, Kagan, or

00:30:48.340 Sotomayor, that

00:30:49.400 said, oh, what

00:30:50.480 if he ordered

00:30:51.560 somebody to go 0.99

00:30:52.400 out and kill 1.00

00:30:53.260 somebody, you 1.00

00:30:53.980 know, blah, blah,

00:30:55.080 blah.

00:30:55.520 So you're saying

00:30:56.200 that this wouldn't

00:30:56.700 be covered under

00:30:57.420 official acts?

00:30:59.760 I am saying, yes.

00:31:00.780 I am saying they

00:31:01.580 have some emails

00:31:02.840 right now, as far

00:31:04.100 as I understand,

00:31:05.300 that the Russians

00:31:05.900 had hacked into

00:31:07.220 either the DNC

00:31:09.020 or Hillary's 0.96

00:31:10.040 computer that show

00:31:11.820 that Obama and

00:31:13.220 Hillary knew 0.97

00:31:14.620 that they were

00:31:15.520 contriving the

00:31:17.040 Russia conspiracy.

00:31:20.080 And that is not

00:31:20.820 an official

00:31:21.400 presidential act.

00:31:22.980 Yeah, we'll see.

00:31:23.920 We'll see.

00:31:24.440 Thank you.

00:31:24.820 Thank you, Ruth.

00:31:26.740 I don't think that

00:31:27.780 there's any Obama

00:31:28.440 emails where he's

00:31:29.120 like, hey, those

00:31:29.620 fake emails, let's

00:31:30.500 pin them on Trump.

00:31:32.180 I'm not saying that

00:31:33.520 he didn't do it.

00:31:34.240 I'm just saying I

00:31:34.700 don't think there's

00:31:35.020 any emails that will

00:31:35.740 show it with that

00:31:36.480 level of clarity.

00:31:37.320 Here's the problem,

00:31:38.080 Clay.

00:31:38.580 Any conversations

00:31:39.440 that Obama, as

00:31:40.520 president at the

00:31:41.060 time, is

00:31:41.660 having with the

00:31:42.600 FBI director, with

00:31:44.100 the CIA direct, any

00:31:45.300 of that is going to

00:31:46.460 be considered under

00:31:47.280 his official duty in

00:31:48.360 terms of decisions

00:31:49.140 made within their

00:31:50.000 purview of

00:31:50.820 surveillance, of

00:31:52.140 contact with the

00:31:52.860 press, all of that.

00:31:53.820 You're never going to

00:31:54.480 get around that.

00:31:56.040 What Ruth said is

00:31:57.300 there was a

00:31:57.700 hypothetical, my

00:31:58.840 recollection is, what

00:31:59.960 if the president just

00:32:00.840 decided he wanted to

00:32:01.700 assassinate someone?

00:32:03.340 Could he order that?

00:32:03.660 Yeah, if the president 0.98

00:32:04.060 killed a maid in the 0.83

00:32:05.120 Oval Office because he

00:32:06.020 was in a bad mood,

00:32:06.740 that's not an official

00:32:07.480 act.

00:32:07.820 That's clearly not

00:32:08.440 covered.

00:32:09.260 But talking to the

00:32:09.960 FBI director about

00:32:10.940 surveillance, that's

00:32:11.900 going to be covered.

00:32:12.900 Or ordering SEAL Team

00:32:14.280 6 to take out somebody

00:32:15.740 in a foreign country,

00:32:16.960 arguably that's within

00:32:18.380 the presidential

00:32:18.900 provinces too, right?

00:32:20.200 So I think Obama,

00:32:21.540 you've got to take him

00:32:22.360 off the table, it's

00:32:23.100 unlikely to happen.

00:32:24.080 I know.

00:32:24.540 People don't, I get it,

00:32:25.900 it's frustrating to hear,

00:32:26.900 but I'm just telling you

00:32:27.900 the truth, and Clay sees

00:32:29.020 it the same way.

00:32:29.740 If we're wrong, we will

00:32:30.940 show up on the air and

00:32:32.060 mea culpa, and we'll

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00:33:31.040 Clay, have you heard of

00:33:31.840 the Rio Reset?

00:33:33.000 Sounds like a trendy

00:33:33.980 new workout, Buck.

00:33:35.080 It does, but it's

00:33:36.140 actually a big summit

00:33:37.100 going on in Brazil.

00:33:38.260 The formal name is

00:33:39.200 BRICS, which stands for

00:33:40.280 Brazil, Russia, India,

00:33:41.600 China, and South Africa,

00:33:43.120 but they've just added

00:33:43.980 five new members.

00:33:45.300 Smart move to stick

00:33:46.380 with BRICS.

00:33:47.160 We know what happens

00:33:48.040 when acronyms don't end,

00:33:49.340 they confuse everyone.

00:33:50.560 Well, that's an

00:33:51.040 understatement.

00:33:52.020 BRICS is a group of

00:33:52.860 emerging economies hoping

00:33:54.060 to increase their sway in

00:33:55.580 the global financial

00:33:56.500 order.

00:33:57.060 Now that sounds like the

00:33:58.380 plot line of a movie.

00:33:59.640 I'm listening.

00:34:00.600 Philip Patrick is our

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00:34:02.400 He's a precious metal

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00:34:06.960 He's on the ground in Rio

00:34:08.460 getting the whole lowdown

00:34:09.840 on what's going on there.

00:34:11.260 Can he give us some

00:34:11.900 inside intel?

00:34:13.020 Absolutely.

00:34:13.720 He's been there since

00:34:14.520 day one.

00:34:15.600 In fact, a major theme

00:34:16.760 at the summit is how

00:34:17.600 BRICS nations aim to

00:34:18.820 reduce reliance on the

00:34:20.080 U.S. dollar in global

00:34:21.420 trade.

00:34:22.140 Yikes.

00:34:22.580 That doesn't sound good.

00:34:23.680 We got to get Philip on

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00:34:25.840 Already did.

00:34:26.640 And he left the Clay and

00:34:27.640 Buck audience this message.

00:34:29.240 The world is moving on

00:34:31.300 from the dollar.

00:34:32.660 Quietly, but steadily.

00:34:34.760 These nations are making

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00:34:39.120 And the U.S. dollar is no

00:34:40.960 longer the centerpiece.

00:34:42.400 That shift doesn't happen

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00:34:45.360 But make no mistake, it's

00:34:47.020 already begun.

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00:35:14.500 We have been discussing the

00:35:16.220 potential on the grand jury

00:35:18.800 investigation on Russia

00:35:20.420 collusion.

00:35:21.140 Lots of you still weighing in

00:35:23.020 on that.

00:35:23.600 We will continue to break down

00:35:25.200 more on that as we move

00:35:27.480 forward.

00:35:28.120 But there also is additional

00:35:31.320 ridiculous ongoing outcomes

00:35:35.380 associated with the Epstein

00:35:37.700 fallout, the Epstein

00:35:39.500 continued investigation.

00:35:42.120 So I figure we should

00:35:43.560 go ahead and give you the

00:35:46.760 latest on this as well.

00:35:49.660 Representative James Comer

00:35:51.560 has subpoenaed the following

00:35:54.640 people.

00:35:55.100 President Bill Clinton,

00:35:56.420 Secretary of State, Hillary,

00:35:57.900 former Secretary of State,

00:35:59.120 obviously, Hillary Clinton, 0.92

00:36:00.740 and others.

00:36:02.080 Let me hit you some of these.

00:36:04.100 Merrick Garland, James Comey,

00:36:08.720 Bill Barr, Alberto Gonzalez.

00:36:12.140 These are both Republican and

00:36:13.600 Democrat attorney generals.

00:36:15.440 Robert Mueller, Loretta Lynch,

00:36:18.180 Eric Holder, all of these people

00:36:20.540 being called for deposition through

00:36:24.100 subpoena.

00:36:25.320 Bill Clinton, October 14th,

00:36:27.380 Hillary Clinton, October 9th,

00:36:29.740 and then basically every attorney

00:36:32.160 general, it looks like nearly of the

00:36:34.220 past 20 years, all of them being put

00:36:36.700 under oath relating to the Epstein

00:36:39.520 case.

00:36:39.960 I guess the one detail that we really

00:36:41.880 haven't talked very much about, we

00:36:43.580 don't know what the only person ever

00:36:46.560 convicted in the Epstein case, Jelaine

00:36:48.760 Maxwell, told the deputy attorney

00:36:51.960 general when she was interviewed.

00:36:53.940 We do know that they have moved her

00:36:55.980 from Tallahassee to a lower security

00:36:59.180 prison in Texas, I believe.

00:37:02.420 That is the latest on Epstein.

00:37:04.760 I don't know what the expectation is at

00:37:10.060 this point, but they're going to put

00:37:12.620 everybody under oath and probably ask

00:37:14.760 them what they knew about Jeffrey

00:37:16.920 Epstein, and that is now scheduled to

00:37:19.460 be happening in September and October

00:37:21.460 on Capitol Hill.

00:37:24.000 What's your take on this, Buck?

00:37:27.820 Not going to happen.

00:37:29.780 Meaning no additional charges are coming?

00:37:33.020 Yeah.

00:37:33.580 Yeah.

00:37:34.240 Not going to happen.

00:37:35.760 Should I start just saying it's going

00:37:36.960 to happen just because people are going

00:37:38.060 to get mad at me?

00:37:38.720 Maybe I just started.

00:37:39.280 It's all going to, the justice will be

00:37:41.980 done.

00:37:42.520 I mean, I just don't think that you're

00:37:43.820 going to get these, the kind of people

00:37:46.160 you're talking about, these names.

00:37:50.300 Yeah.

00:37:51.100 This is, it's just, I don't see it.

00:37:53.720 My concern on Epstein is I feel like we

00:37:57.120 are trending towards a place where it's

00:37:59.680 more likely that Jelaine Maxwell is

00:38:01.960 pardoned and nobody ever goes to prison

00:38:04.920 for anything related to Epstein than there

00:38:07.400 are other people who are charged with

00:38:09.380 crimes and go to prison.

00:38:10.260 What is the rationale for even a

00:38:11.940 conversation about her being pardoned?

00:38:15.680 So it's a fantastic question.

00:38:18.420 And I think what the pardon would

00:38:21.320 potentially entail is, hey, we're going

00:38:25.320 to pardon you from all crimes and then

00:38:27.460 we will bring you in and put you in front 0.99

00:38:30.820 of Congress, of a committee, and you will

00:38:33.720 answer every question under the sun about

00:38:36.980 Epstein.

00:38:37.920 So I have a question about that rationale,

00:38:40.260 which I think you've just established what

00:38:41.780 it is.

00:38:42.860 She didn't do that before she was facing

00:38:45.620 25 years in federal prison, everybody.

00:38:47.980 She wasn't willing to give up the goods

00:38:50.660 to avoid going away for a few decades

00:38:53.040 previously.

00:38:54.740 Come on, everybody.

00:38:56.860 Let's, you know, let's, let's, let's be

00:38:58.760 real on this one.

00:38:59.700 Now, all of a sudden she's got all the

00:39:01.300 stuff and she's going to lay it all out

00:39:02.720 there.

00:39:03.460 The only, now, the only way you could, you

00:39:05.280 agree with me that that's the rationale

00:39:06.840 for the only reason that there would be

00:39:08.880 any reason to give her a pardon.

00:39:11.060 The other one would be, some people would

00:39:12.900 say she did no crimes and she was the 0.72

00:39:14.800 fall girl in this context, but she was

00:39:17.580 convicted by a jury after a criminal trial

00:39:20.860 of sex trafficking on behalf of Epstein.

00:39:24.540 So you're then tossing the jury's

00:39:26.680 conviction out the window and saying, oh,

00:39:28.980 the jury got it wrong if you are saying

00:39:31.640 that she was the fall girl, as it were,

00:39:34.520 for the larger Epstein crimes, right?

00:39:37.740 So this is something, Buck, that I think

00:39:39.940 nobody ever mentions and I do think it's

00:39:42.020 significant and we talked about it on this

00:39:43.340 program and I haven't heard anybody else

00:39:44.660 even talk about it.

00:39:45.940 People say, well, what about all the

00:39:47.200 victims?

00:39:47.600 What about all the victims of Jeffrey

00:39:49.020 Epstein?

00:39:49.480 Don't they deserve justice?

00:39:50.580 All those things I think are very true.

00:39:52.520 Around 125 or 130 Jeffrey Epstein

00:39:57.140 alleged victims in civil court sued and got

00:40:01.420 paid almost five hundred million dollars.

00:40:05.360 So it's like the civil cases settlements

00:40:08.120 no one ever mentioned.

00:40:09.800 So for people out there who say, wait,

00:40:11.140 what about all these people that were

00:40:12.700 victimized by Jeffrey Epstein?

00:40:14.340 They allowed all of them to come forward,

00:40:17.660 tell their stories and nearly five hundred

00:40:20.920 million dollars in settlements from Epstein's

00:40:23.980 estate and other banks that had advised him

00:40:26.520 were paid out.

00:40:28.420 So I just think when you look at this

00:40:31.400 larger mushroom cloud and Epstein is dead,

00:40:34.420 we all agree on that.

00:40:35.400 So then what do you know?

00:40:36.300 I don't think there's very many people who

00:40:37.680 think Epstein's still alive, although I do

00:40:39.360 sometimes hear from people, you know, he's

00:40:41.200 not really dead.

00:40:42.180 I don't know what I haven't heard that, but

00:40:43.980 I mean, I've probably seen this on the

00:40:45.420 Internet.

00:40:45.620 Yes.

00:40:46.020 Yeah.

00:40:46.360 Yeah.

00:40:47.580 I.

00:40:50.080 You know, I just the other thing is, if you

00:40:52.040 have Ghislaine Maxwell and she's going to 1.00

00:40:53.980 testify in some way, it would just, you

00:40:57.820 know, what is what is the process here

00:41:01.140 through which she's going to say things

00:41:02.640 about people that will then be considered?

00:41:05.560 So is her word credible enough to.

00:41:08.620 To indict or destroy a person?

00:41:11.880 I mean, that's really what we're talking

00:41:12.940 about here.

00:41:13.460 And we're going to believe that this

00:41:15.340 person who has been convicted for sex

00:41:16.900 trafficking, who then is pardoned on the

00:41:19.800 idea that she's then going to tell us the

00:41:21.540 whole truth and nothing but the truth.

00:41:23.640 That's a tremendous amount of power you're

00:41:25.360 giving this woman then to decide who gets 1.00

00:41:27.920 destroyed and who doesn't based on her

00:41:30.820 word that they did something that someone

00:41:33.680 did something illicit as part of the Epstein

00:41:35.780 ring.

00:41:36.140 You see what I'm saying?

00:41:36.920 No, I totally get it.

00:41:39.140 So I just to me, we've looked at we went

00:41:43.440 down this pathway and there was an

00:41:47.340 opportunity for her to avoid any prison 0.88

00:41:48.920 time, I would assume, or at least as far

00:41:51.100 substantial force reduced from what she

00:41:53.540 got, if she would just name the names and

00:41:56.540 then there's the opportunity to go get

00:41:58.320 evidence and bring indictments.

00:42:00.520 But what is supposed to I don't see how

00:42:03.980 this is supposed to work that you're going

00:42:05.580 to someone's going to ever Trump is going

00:42:07.040 to pardon her.

00:42:07.760 Then she's going to come forward and she's

00:42:09.220 going to say, OK, guess what?

00:42:11.340 Epstein's the only person who committed any

00:42:13.020 sex crimes.

00:42:14.700 And then what?

00:42:15.500 I just come back.

00:42:17.200 And again, I don't know why this I think

00:42:18.640 probably because it's sealed.

00:42:20.580 But for everybody out there, because I do

00:42:22.280 think this is the most compelling argument.

00:42:24.240 If you're out there and you're saying, hey,

00:42:25.660 what about all these people who were victims

00:42:27.080 of Epstein?

00:42:27.820 Do they not deserve justice?

00:42:29.500 I think that's a very good they got a lot

00:42:30.820 of money.

00:42:31.180 So that's part one of it.

00:42:32.240 Yeah, they got five hundred million

00:42:33.680 dollars.

00:42:34.280 I'm assuming all of that is sealed.

00:42:36.240 But as part of the way that they distributed

00:42:38.460 the five hundred million dollars, they had

00:42:40.640 to determine why some people

00:42:42.600 were paid some amounts and others

00:42:44.420 were paid lesser amounts.

00:42:45.960 Right.

00:42:46.320 They didn't all get the same amount.

00:42:48.140 So in theory, there was a culpability

00:42:50.740 associated with that.

00:42:52.060 And if there were criminal charges

00:42:54.180 that could have come, they did

00:42:56.380 a court investigation on the civil

00:42:58.720 side that I would think would be

00:43:01.440 accessible and able to be reviewed.

00:43:04.920 And I can't imagine they just didn't

00:43:06.440 charge people.

00:43:06.980 So the reason why I bring all this

00:43:09.060 up is it basically feels to me, you

00:43:11.820 tell me if you disagree on this, Buck,

00:43:13.280 as we are now in the summer of of

00:43:16.480 Trump 2.0, Democrats really don't have

00:43:20.020 anything to attack him on on the

00:43:21.800 economy.

00:43:22.780 They don't really have anything to

00:43:24.080 attack him on on the border.

00:43:25.580 They can say, hey, ISIS, you know,

00:43:27.300 taking too many people out of the

00:43:28.400 country.

00:43:28.640 But that hasn't really worked.

00:43:30.280 Crime is plummeting nationwide.

00:43:32.560 I mean, this is a very good thing.

00:43:33.840 And so it seems like we're just engaged

00:43:36.760 in a lot of legal procedural battles.

00:43:39.940 That is the resistance 2.0.

00:43:42.640 Epstein's part of them.

00:43:43.940 There's punches being thrown on the

00:43:45.360 other side related to Russia collusion.

00:43:47.900 There's the ongoing battles over

00:43:49.780 birthright citizenship.

00:43:50.820 And what exactly are the limits of the

00:43:53.300 president's powers when it comes to

00:43:54.880 tariffs?

00:43:55.240 It feels to me, tell me if you're if

00:43:57.440 you disagree, like every day when it

00:43:59.580 comes to Trump opposition, it's just

00:44:01.420 some federal district court judge or

00:44:03.860 some older criminal related conspiracy

00:44:08.120 examination that is largely being

00:44:11.680 examined.

00:44:12.840 Almost nothing is present day.

00:44:15.680 Does that make sense?

00:44:16.340 It's like we're relitigating all of the

00:44:19.020 controversies of the Trump era now in

00:44:21.840 real time and much of the actual work

00:44:25.480 that's being done on a day to day

00:44:26.740 basis isn't really being talked or

00:44:28.800 acknowledged in any kind of substantial

00:44:30.480 way.

00:44:31.980 Yeah, I think part of this is because

00:44:33.580 the Trump administration has been so

00:44:35.120 successful so far that they've had to

00:44:37.580 get very creative in the ways that they

00:44:39.560 creative is a kind way of saying it

00:44:41.920 attack the administration.

00:44:43.440 I think also the administration

00:44:46.220 stumbled here with the Pete with the

00:44:48.920 public relations aspect and the

00:44:51.440 transparency aspect of promising big

00:44:53.940 rep.

00:44:54.280 And we've gone over this a million

00:44:55.560 times.

00:44:56.040 OK, already the public relations

00:44:58.260 component of the full, you know, the

00:45:00.400 binders, the influencers, the big

00:45:02.500 stuff is coming.

00:45:03.360 It's on my desk and everything else.

00:45:04.640 And then actually no additional charges

00:45:06.480 and really no additional information is

00:45:07.880 going to be released.

00:45:08.960 That was a that was a bait and switch

00:45:11.360 and people recognize it as such.

00:45:14.240 Whether I mean, do you even think that

00:45:16.200 these individuals are going to some of

00:45:17.680 them?

00:45:18.380 You're going to subpoena Loretta Lynch.

00:45:20.020 I mean, what do you think is going to

00:45:22.200 be said by her about this?

00:45:24.380 I just I think they're all going to.

00:45:26.760 Here's what I would advise.

00:45:28.060 I mean, I would tell them all to take

00:45:29.700 the fifth.

00:45:30.260 I don't see how they gain at all by even

00:45:32.360 answering questions.

00:45:33.240 I would do what I'm saying.

00:45:34.640 Well, I saw Loretta Lynch like you're 0.96

00:45:36.740 going to you think she's going to sit 1.00

00:45:37.940 there and be like, you know what?

00:45:39.100 I was part of a big conspiracy to cover

00:45:41.180 up the Epstein stuff because of the

00:45:42.520 high level Democrats that were, you

00:45:43.960 know, implicated in the in the sex

00:45:45.320 ring.

00:45:46.440 No, it's not going to happen.

00:45:48.500 So to your point, people are now doing

00:45:50.320 things to do things.

00:45:52.180 They're doing things to say I'm doing a

00:45:54.080 thing.

00:45:54.780 What is the end result of that thing

00:45:56.320 going to be?

00:45:58.760 Unless the people that they're 1.00

00:45:59.920 subpoenaing are total morons, nothing. 1.00

00:46:02.580 That's what's going to happen. 1.00

00:46:03.720 Like, do you think that Bill Clinton's

00:46:05.200 going to say under oath, I love sleeping

00:46:07.140 with 15 year old girls that Jeffrey

00:46:09.060 Epstein provided for me?

00:46:10.320 I think that's highly unlikely.

00:46:12.640 Do you think that Hillary Clinton is

00:46:14.200 going to say, hey, we knew that there

00:46:17.440 were tons of really powerful people who

00:46:20.080 had relations with Jeffrey Epstein in

00:46:23.180 some way and we covered up all their

00:46:24.480 crimes?

00:46:25.560 I suspect that they will have a written

00:46:28.020 statement prepared by their four

00:46:30.140 thousand dollar an hour attorney that

00:46:32.640 represents whatever they want to put on

00:46:35.560 the public record.

00:46:36.720 They will read it and then they will

00:46:38.880 say this is all I'm going to say.

00:46:40.320 And maybe they fight whether the

00:46:42.300 subpoena is even valid.

00:46:43.580 By the way, every attorney general

00:46:45.640 Bill Barr, you think Bill Barr was

00:46:48.780 covering up Epstein related crimes?

00:46:51.940 I mean, they got every attorney general

00:46:53.880 Democrat and Republican basically of the

00:46:55.800 last 20 years and they're going to call

00:46:57.820 them in and aggressively question them

00:46:59.300 on Epstein.

00:47:00.120 I mean, I think Epstein was to be fair

00:47:02.320 when you're the attorney general, there

00:47:04.340 are so many cases that you are monitoring

00:47:06.300 on a day to day basis that I bet Bill Barr

00:47:09.320 spent like 0.1 percent of his time as

00:47:14.100 attorney general, if that relating to

00:47:16.340 anything having to do with Epstein.

00:47:18.040 That would be my guess.

00:47:19.360 And so anyway, I think the result of the

00:47:22.440 miscommunication is now that there is a

00:47:26.480 flood the zone strategy where you try to

00:47:28.720 get as much information out as you

00:47:30.340 possibly can.

00:47:31.120 But I just don't think there's much

00:47:33.500 there there.

00:47:34.560 But I do want to I mean, this is getting

00:47:36.800 a lot of attention today.

00:47:37.800 Comer has subpoenaed all these people

00:47:39.500 and they're all going to be brought in

00:47:41.200 over the next couple of months.

00:47:42.320 And I imagine every day that they talk,

00:47:44.320 there will be in some way big stories

00:47:46.800 about the fact that they're going to

00:47:48.520 talk.

00:47:48.820 And then I think that there is likely to

00:47:50.800 be very little that is actually newsworthy

00:47:53.200 that comes out of their under oath

00:47:55.100 testimony.

00:47:55.600 That's my prediction.

00:47:56.360 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:47:59.300 And we shall see.

00:48:01.120 Perhaps something big breaks.

00:48:02.680 This is where I do think I never would

00:48:04.760 have believed, Buck, that I would go to

00:48:06.740 law school and basically every case

00:48:09.760 that now we just talk about is, well,

00:48:12.180 that depends on what the courts are

00:48:13.320 going to do.

00:48:13.780 That depends on what the judges are

00:48:15.280 going to do.

00:48:15.780 This is basically Trump 2.0.

00:48:17.620 There is no overarching opposition to

00:48:21.320 him outside of the existing court systems.

00:48:25.360 And I want to tell you as we go to

00:48:28.100 to break here, by the way, you guys are

00:48:30.560 welcome to weigh in.

00:48:31.640 I don't think there's anything else out

00:48:33.560 there that we are missing, but I did want

00:48:35.140 to hit both of these big stories

00:48:37.540 because, again, it is the DOJ grand jury

00:48:40.060 relating to Russia collusion and the

00:48:42.900 subpoenas going out relating to Epstein

00:48:44.840 are receiving massive amounts of attention

00:48:47.640 out there.

00:48:48.320 But I don't know that there's some huge

00:48:50.840 revelatory moment that's going to come.

00:48:53.840 But you guys are alleged to, you guys

00:48:57.980 can dive in and figure out whether or not

00:48:59.920 you think there's something that we're

00:49:01.740 missing here.

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00:51:15.900 Um, let's have some fun.

00:51:18.500 I have not even heard this fully yet.

00:51:20.860 I saw the, uh, the headline and I said,

00:51:23.380 oh my goodness, this is going to be fun.

00:51:25.260 Texas state representative Jolanda Jones,

00:51:28.380 who has fled the state to Illinois,

00:51:30.820 uh, rather than have to show up.

00:51:34.500 Jolanda?

00:51:35.460 J-O.

00:51:36.000 Jolanda, usually I think is how you know.

00:51:38.380 Is it Jolanda?

00:51:40.140 According to our team, it is J-O-Landa.

00:51:43.160 So Jolanda is typically a, uh, 0.92

00:51:46.140 is typically a name that would be popular.

00:51:48.100 But this, according to our team,

00:51:50.760 is Jolanda.

00:51:52.560 Maybe I'm, maybe it's pronounced J-O-Landa.

00:51:54.380 No, no, you're probably right.

00:51:55.220 You're probably right.

00:51:56.540 Uh, she has fled the state

00:51:58.660 to protest redistricting in Texas.

00:52:01.420 She says, this is just like the Holocaust.

00:52:05.120 Cut 29.

00:52:05.980 And then integration happened

00:52:07.300 and everybody thought they accept this.

00:52:08.660 They don't accept this.

00:52:09.940 They are showing us who they are.

00:52:11.300 We should believe them.

00:52:12.300 And we better have the courage to stand up.

00:52:14.140 Otherwise, we will fall for anything.

00:52:16.080 And in this country,

00:52:16.780 we will be defeated, deported.

00:52:19.380 I mean, we will lose all of our rights.

00:52:21.520 And if you think it can't happen, it can.

00:52:23.460 And I will liken this to the Holocaust. 0.95

00:52:25.060 People are like, well,

00:52:25.980 how did the Holocaust happen?

00:52:27.460 How is somebody in a position

00:52:28.600 to kill all them people?

00:52:30.060 Well, good people remain silent. 0.99

00:52:32.160 Or, or good people didn't realize

00:52:34.420 that what happens to them

00:52:35.720 can very soon happen to me

00:52:37.100 or somebody I love.

00:52:38.320 And so you, and even,

00:52:39.640 so even if you made it,

00:52:40.980 man, you have an obligation

00:52:42.260 to help people who can't

00:52:43.660 because God forbid

00:52:45.000 they end up targeting you

00:52:46.320 and your family.

00:52:49.500 So, Joe Wanda,

00:52:51.860 it is Joe Wanda,

00:52:52.800 it is Yolanda,

00:52:53.360 but with a J.

00:52:54.760 Joe Wanda there saying,

00:52:56.500 boy, if Texas redistricts,

00:52:58.640 next thing that's going to happen

00:52:59.740 is concentration camps.

00:53:02.520 These people,

00:53:03.600 how far are Democrats from,

00:53:06.040 I had to wait in line

00:53:07.680 at the DMV for too long,

00:53:09.160 it's basically the Holocaust.

00:53:10.680 I just want to know,

00:53:11.620 what is really the,

00:53:12.940 like, what is the barrier?

00:53:14.800 What is the level

00:53:17.420 that you have to reach

00:53:18.460 for a Holocaust comparison now?

00:53:20.460 You know?

00:53:20.760 They didn't have my favorite,

00:53:22.360 you know,

00:53:22.620 my favorite sneakers

00:53:23.760 at the store I went to.

00:53:25.500 It's basically the Holocaust. 0.86

00:53:27.060 Yes.

00:53:27.720 I mean, that's where we are.

00:53:29.020 And this is what we were

00:53:29.580 having jokes about,

00:53:30.400 but no one in America,

00:53:33.020 Joe Wanda included,

00:53:34.140 as a general rule,

00:53:36.340 has any knowledge

00:53:37.640 whatsoever of history,

00:53:38.860 so everything has got

00:53:40.740 to be analogized

00:53:41.680 to the Nazis.

00:53:42.560 Imagine if I can,

00:53:43.400 if I just,

00:53:44.760 if I compared everything

00:53:46.120 to,

00:53:47.780 like,

00:53:48.120 imagine if I compared it

00:53:49.340 to another genocide,

00:53:50.440 you know?

00:53:50.780 And it's just like,

00:53:51.360 oh, you know,

00:53:51.820 this is,

00:53:52.600 it's like the Cambodian, 0.91

00:53:53.540 it's like the Cambodian genocide

00:53:54.720 out here, man.

00:53:55.580 Like, it's,

00:53:56.380 I've had to wait,

00:53:57.060 you know,

00:53:57.260 15 minutes for my,

00:53:58.380 my takeout order.

00:53:59.660 People would be like, 1.00

00:54:00.340 you're a sick weirdo. 1.00

00:54:01.500 Like, why would you, 1.00

00:54:02.420 you know,

00:54:02.740 it's nothing like

00:54:03.460 the Cambodian genocide.

00:54:05.040 Million people plus died,

00:54:06.720 you know,

00:54:06.920 brutal murder.

00:54:07.760 But you can say,

00:54:08.560 you can do this thing now

00:54:09.680 among,

00:54:10.000 among Democrats.

00:54:10.740 I will say,

00:54:11.260 Republicans don't,

00:54:12.180 don't,

00:54:12.580 I don't see this.

00:54:13.720 I don't see our side going,

00:54:15.860 oh, you know,

00:54:16.760 I had to wait in traffic

00:54:17.740 too long.

00:54:18.320 It was basically the Holocaust. 0.85

00:54:19.620 Like,

00:54:19.860 Democrats will do this now.

00:54:21.900 Yeah,

00:54:22.060 they totally do.

00:54:22.840 And by the way,

00:54:24.440 that is,

00:54:25.160 as you were just laying out,

00:54:26.600 that's their standard go-to

00:54:28.340 because we'll play tomorrow.

00:54:30.000 They're still trying to call

00:54:32.340 Trump Hitler, 0.77

00:54:33.600 which is funny in and of itself,

00:54:36.340 but I think representative

00:54:37.680 of how they have

00:54:39.240 continued to fail.

00:54:41.440 I think we have a funny talkback

00:54:43.540 here too as well.

00:54:43.880 We have a good talkback.

00:54:44.580 We got some good VIP emails.

00:54:45.580 Do a talkback first,

00:54:46.500 but I got some emails lined up for you

00:54:47.880 of the sartorial variety.

00:54:49.900 Oh no.

00:54:50.700 Oh no.

00:54:51.560 What did we have?

00:54:52.360 We had somebody who wanted to talk

00:54:53.540 about Sidney Sweeney.

00:54:54.820 AA.

00:54:57.460 That's one good one,

00:54:58.440 I think.

00:54:58.700 Hey Clay and Buck,

00:54:59.560 this is Brian from Jacksonville.

00:55:01.080 Love your show,

00:55:01.780 but man,

00:55:02.260 today's not a good one.

00:55:03.640 First hour and a half spent

00:55:04.680 on two topics

00:55:05.380 that are going to lead to nothing.

00:55:06.860 Let's talk about something important 0.98

00:55:08.160 like Sidney Sweeney's boobs. 1.00

00:55:10.700 There you go. 0.99

00:55:12.280 We tried to break down

00:55:14.000 the huge complexity

00:55:15.480 of the great jury-Russia collusion.

00:55:18.360 We got all this guff last week

00:55:20.960 about too much Clay boobs talk, 0.98

00:55:23.360 and now we get not enough boobs. 0.98

00:55:25.140 I don't know what to do.

00:55:25.940 I'm trying to just keep it flowing,

00:55:28.400 keep it moving here.

00:55:28.920 I didn't even know

00:55:29.460 we got any negativity about that.

00:55:31.020 I got,

00:55:31.420 hey, 0.97

00:55:31.740 talk about boobs more. 1.00

00:55:33.260 What do you got? 0.96

00:55:33.880 Talk back on clothes.

00:55:35.780 Oh,

00:55:36.000 I got VIP emails on clothes.

00:55:38.440 Melanie writes in,

00:55:40.960 saw Clay on the Will Kane show yesterday.

00:55:44.000 I actually ran into the room

00:55:45.080 just to see what he was wearing.

00:55:46.960 Much better,

00:55:48.060 exclamation point.

00:55:49.680 So Melanie thinks you're taking notes,

00:55:51.380 and you're doing a good job.

00:55:53.100 Unlike Debra, 0.99

00:55:54.380 who says,

00:55:55.240 Buck,

00:55:55.960 I love you,

00:55:57.040 but that pale yellow jacket

00:55:58.480 looks terrible.

00:55:59.700 It doesn't flatter your complexion.

00:56:01.840 Ask your wife for color advice.

00:56:03.900 You have a cool

00:56:04.680 or maybe neutral skin tone

00:56:06.100 and need more vibrant

00:56:07.040 or cooler colors.

00:56:08.500 Pale yellow ain't working.

00:56:10.020 How about blues or greens?

00:56:11.620 Love you.

00:56:12.340 Debra,

00:56:13.080 love you too.

00:56:13.980 However,

00:56:14.700 it is a cream-colored jacket,

00:56:16.140 and I am here in South Florida

00:56:18.140 in Miami Beach,

00:56:19.240 no less,

00:56:20.100 where we wear these kinds of jackets.

00:56:22.200 And I don't want to always look

00:56:23.460 exactly like the host

00:56:24.540 because I have a closet full

00:56:26.100 of navy blue jackets

00:56:27.400 that I can wear.

00:56:28.660 But,

00:56:29.020 you know,

00:56:29.740 sometimes we like to spice it up

00:56:31.060 a little bit on the air.

00:56:32.080 So I will take,

00:56:33.680 how about this?

00:56:34.240 I will take it under advisement

00:56:35.680 and bless your heart.

00:56:38.000 I like the bless your heart.

00:56:39.560 You're sounding very much

00:56:40.220 like a southerner here.

00:56:42.020 I,

00:56:42.660 most people would just prefer 0.99

00:56:45.300 that you only be a navy or black 0.98

00:56:47.120 in this audience, 0.87

00:56:48.080 I think.

00:56:48.460 I know.

00:56:48.820 But that is doing a disservice

00:56:50.440 to the beautiful color palettes

00:56:52.200 across the rainbow.

00:56:53.700 Here is Josh in Oklahoma

00:56:55.680 to close this out.

00:56:56.640 More fun.

00:56:57.280 What you got, Josh?

00:56:57.920 This question is for Clay.

00:56:59.760 Why do you decide

00:57:00.880 to die on these hills?

00:57:02.080 First it's the leaf blowers,

00:57:03.360 then it's the flute players,

00:57:05.040 and now it's the attractive

00:57:06.760 Kamala Harris take.

00:57:09.120 I respect the fact

00:57:10.220 that you stand by your decisions

00:57:11.560 and you're not swayed

00:57:12.840 by any opinion at all,

00:57:14.200 but I just got to ask, man,

00:57:16.540 why the dedication

00:57:17.640 to these things?

00:57:19.320 I can't believe that I'm...

00:57:20.820 He thinks you're trolling

00:57:21.080 with your Kamala take,

00:57:22.300 I think,

00:57:22.800 but you're not.

00:57:24.160 60-year-old Kamala Harris

00:57:26.180 is far better looking

00:57:28.640 than the average

00:57:29.580 60-year-old woman 0.81

00:57:30.620 in America.

00:57:31.320 I don't even understand

00:57:32.300 that's a crazy take at all.

00:57:34.200 I don't even understand

00:57:34.860 how we're still talking about this.

00:57:37.420 How is this even getting

00:57:38.700 anyone's attention out there?

00:57:40.060 But here we are.

00:57:41.180 I am being super kind

00:57:43.680 to the beautiful Kamala.

00:57:45.520 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:57:47.840 Guaranteed human.

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