Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 11 2025

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00:00:04.640 Welcome in, everybody.

00:00:05.960 Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:00:10.040 It kicks off right now.

00:00:11.700 Mr. Clay is in transit, so he is in the sky.

00:00:15.560 I will be your solo pilot for the next three hours.

00:00:20.540 My co-pilot is on another plane, but we've got a lot to talk about.

00:00:25.420 He'll be back tomorrow.

00:00:26.060 We'll actually be together here in South Florida doing the show.

00:00:28.660 And in the meantime, I want to bring you up to speed on all of the things that are happening out there right now.

00:00:36.940 So many of them, so many things, so many things happening.

00:00:39.860 You have DHS Secretary Noem up on Capitol Hill.

00:00:44.900 You have business leaders talking to Trump about the state of the economy and this affordability question.

00:00:54.440 Some people are concerned, and I mean people on our side, capitalists, reasonable, intelligent people,

00:01:02.360 concerned about how things are looking going into the end of the year here and what it will mean for the midterms.

00:01:09.360 Now, for those of you who are saying the concern should be fix the economy, not the political consequences of problems in the economy.

00:01:15.960 Well, let me tell you something, it's getting a lot worse if Democrats can throw sand in the gears of the Trump administration.

00:01:23.600 If they can play spoiler just by having a majority in the House, we will get to impeachment number three.

00:01:30.920 It will be a circus, the whole thing.

00:01:33.200 So it is important that we get into a good place here and also that the Trump administration continues to tell everybody what the plans are.

00:01:45.060 More on immigration and ICE enforcement as well.

00:01:48.500 We've got some important sound to share with you, some clips to share with you on that.

00:01:55.360 I'm going to start off, actually, with a little bit of talk on the economy.

00:01:59.360 There's news today that we will dive into shortly about a federal judge now saying that Kilmar Abrego Garcia,

00:02:08.140 the alleged MS-13 gang member who for over a year now has been at the center of all these administration efforts to deport this guy,

00:02:18.540 and it's turned into a huge political football.

00:02:23.440 This has turned into a Supreme Court weighing in.

00:02:26.340 Guy got sent to El Salvador.

00:02:28.140 We're going to send him to a bunch of other countries, but then we can't.

00:02:31.360 Now you've got a federal judge saying you've got to let him out right now.

00:02:34.660 So we will see.

00:02:36.260 And that's going on while DHS Secretary Noem is up on Capitol Hill.

00:02:42.500 So that's certainly in our sights and an important story.

00:02:47.540 Let's, though, just for a bit here, talk about where we stand on the economy.

00:02:54.280 People are concerned, and I hear that concern from many of you, that prices are quite high.

00:03:03.280 And I understand the challenge here is it's really hard to bring down prices once they've gone up considerably.

00:03:11.380 And this is a legacy of the madness of COVID.

00:03:15.800 I think everyone should keep that in mind, that many of us, well, not many, some of us,

00:03:22.600 there were even some conservatives who were pretty bad on the COVID stuff, especially on lockdowns and all the rest of it,

00:03:30.260 were saying you can't just tell people stay home, don't do anything, and print money.

00:03:33.700 And then you can't just spend as much money as you want to juice the economy after that shutdown.

00:03:39.860 Unfortunately, that is largely what happened.

00:03:42.960 And we are still dealing with the reality of that.

00:03:46.140 Now, I will give you some of these details, or we will discuss some of these details.

00:03:51.660 But first up here, CNBC, this is Cut 11, Rick Santelli.

00:03:56.340 He's talking some numbers, talking trade deficit.

00:03:59.300 Let's hear from the man over at CNBC.

00:04:01.980 Play it.

00:04:02.360 Trade balance, minus $52.8 billion.

00:04:06.440 That's a better, lower trade deficit than we expected.

00:04:10.020 We were looking for a number closer to $62 billion.

00:04:13.200 And that follows a revised minus $59 billion.

00:04:16.920 Minus $52 billion would be the lightest going back to, wow, we're really going back.

00:04:25.000 Well, my records go back to 1992.

00:04:28.020 And to find a smaller number than minus $52 billion, we're all the way back to June of 2020.

00:04:35.580 So this is important because Trump is establishing a rebalancing of our global trade, America's global trade, with the tariffs.

00:04:46.000 And as I've said all along, you don't have to be an expert in tariffs to understand that something is up when all of these other countries have tariffs on us.

00:04:55.980 We don't have tariffs on really anyone, and we're the ones who can't figure this out.

00:05:02.880 We're the odd man out, but it's because we're so much smarter than every other country?

00:05:07.540 Or is it because we've been convinced by the globalist elite in our own country that entirely free trade that does not take an America first perspective that allows all the offshoring and all the stuff that we have seen decimate the American, for example, American manufacturing sector, auto industry, all these things, that that is somehow to our benefit?

00:05:31.300 Well, it's really to the perhaps the stock price benefit of a handful of companies, but people are changing their tune on this.

00:05:37.700 They're seeing what's really going on.

00:05:39.660 And but the problem is prices.

00:05:41.760 The problem is that stuff is still expensive and people are upset about it.

00:05:46.060 In fact, even here in my home.

00:05:48.920 Well, I live in Miami Beach, as you know, and that's next door to Miami.

00:05:52.260 I didn't even know this until I moved down here.

00:05:54.700 Technically different cities.

00:05:56.520 They're not part of one city.

00:05:57.920 And so Miami proper just elected downtown Miami elected a Democrat for the first time in 30 years.

00:06:05.780 And it was a combination of two things that we're going to have to really get right for the next year for the purposes of the midterm election.

00:06:16.060 But also just because they will be central, I think, to the success or failure of the Trump agenda in his second term.

00:06:24.360 Cost of stuff, particularly housing.

00:06:26.740 Young people came out.

00:06:28.320 Miami has become incredibly expensive as a city.

00:06:30.860 It used to be a great deal.

00:06:32.160 I mean, if you if you were smart enough to come here in 2009, 10 and start buying up some condos, you've done phenomenally well now.

00:06:41.360 Not so much.

00:06:42.580 But the price of things, especially housing in Miami, is very high.

00:06:45.700 So that factors in.

00:06:47.560 We saw this also in New York City when you have mom Donnie ism largely built around the promise of bringing housing prices down.

00:06:57.220 He's going to bring the cost of rent down.

00:07:00.220 Now, if you know anything about economics, you know that his solutions to these problems will actually make things worse.

00:07:07.120 But they sound good and you can get a lot of power by saying things that sound good, no matter how bad the results are actually going to be.

00:07:15.320 One of the issues we're going to have is that going into a midterm year, right?

00:07:22.100 It's we're at the end of year one of Trump's second term.

00:07:25.680 Yeah, a lot of us can point to the status of the Biden economy and what was going on, but that is not going to be compelling enough to win in key and challenging races.

00:07:40.660 Former SEC chair Jay Clayton had this to say about the economy.

00:07:46.160 I thought you should hear this.

00:07:47.020 This is cut 12.

00:07:48.540 The affordability issue is from the 22 percent increase in prices and inflation under Biden.

00:07:54.500 There's just full stop right there.

00:07:56.620 That's the affordability issue.

00:07:58.760 And you ought to be able to explain that.

00:08:01.000 Right.

00:08:01.580 That's right.

00:08:02.240 And look, I think that with the economic team, President Trump and the economic team led by Scott Besson, you have people who very much understand this.

00:08:13.440 And it was a they were they were thrown, you know, what I would say the worst economy for the average American in my adult lifetime in terms of the like you said.

00:08:24.500 The incredible increase in prices at the household.

00:08:27.520 Now, this is true and the case has to be made, but it is not sufficient on its own.

00:08:36.040 All of you who call in, write in and say, hey, guys, hey, Clay, hey, Buck, this stuff is just too expensive where I am, particularly health care, housing, education.

00:08:49.100 These things are just the price are out of control and in some aspects depends on the product.

00:08:54.220 But groceries, gas prices are down.

00:08:56.860 But many of you and the truckers out there, we love our truckers.

00:09:00.740 Are saying diesel prices are still considerably higher than we would want to see them for a robust economy spending at Christmas time.

00:09:13.340 I've seen some of the data on this one spending at Christmas time seems to be quite a bit down.

00:09:19.240 People are not shelling out the kind of cash that they did even compared to last year.

00:09:23.840 Now, I think there was tremendous ebullience about the economy because of Trump's victory.

00:09:29.600 So that explains in part why last year people were spending because they thought, oh, we're going to have a good economy.

00:09:34.560 And they were right.

00:09:36.160 But now it's twofold.

00:09:38.740 The challenge ahead on prices, affordability, a word.

00:09:43.240 As I've said all along, you have to prepare yourself to hear about this more than any of us are going to want to.

00:09:51.240 But the power balance in D.C. and therefore the future of the country for the next few years is going to be largely determined, I think, based upon that.

00:10:01.720 The two big issues, it's going to be the affordability and immigration election midterms.

00:10:07.320 That's what's going to that's what's going to move the needle.

00:10:09.380 And this is Republicans are seeing this early enough.

00:10:13.620 Thankfully, I'm not having this talk with all of you in August of the election year or September of the election year.

00:10:20.360 Hey, Republicans, it's time to make the case.

00:10:22.740 I think they're actually seeing this in advance.

00:10:26.780 And they have Scott Besson, who is both very good at the job of Treasury secretary and a very good spokesman for what this administration, the Treasury, the economy, the Fed, all of this is doing.

00:10:41.500 He's a very good mind, a very good mouthpiece on these issues.

00:10:46.840 But this is what Democrats are going to hammer.

00:10:48.800 They're going to hammer the discontent of the prices.

00:10:51.240 Isn't this the most classic move that the Democrats could possibly come up with?

00:10:55.120 But they made it so prices get all jacked up.

00:10:59.320 We told them don't.

00:11:00.680 We said don't do it.

00:11:02.000 This is going back to twenty twenty one.

00:11:03.920 We said don't do it, guys.

00:11:06.040 It's crazy.

00:11:06.820 Don't spend the trillions.

00:11:08.380 We've already put a lot, a lot of pressure, a lot of heat into the economy with all the shutdown spending.

00:11:14.240 And that was under Trump.

00:11:16.260 But that was both sides were saying, oh, the world's going to end.

00:11:19.200 And, you know, the whole thing, Trump left it to the states, whether to stay open or not.

00:11:22.760 And with the exception of Florida, states generally did not stay open.

00:11:25.980 South Dakota stayed open.

00:11:27.020 But there's not very many people in South Dakota.

00:11:29.040 So that was easier.

00:11:30.300 Most states shut down, as you know.

00:11:33.140 And so we had to do something.

00:11:34.420 There was that whole emergency.

00:11:35.420 But now telling people that the worst inflation in 40 years started four years ago is not really a winning strategy.

00:11:48.540 Right.

00:11:49.140 Or in five years ago, whatever.

00:11:51.120 It's that's not enough.

00:11:52.860 I think that, unfortunately, is going to be insufficient as part of the narrative, which brings me to the solutions and the things that Trump and his team are trying to do.

00:12:02.620 Look at what has happened on trade alone.

00:12:04.680 That's why I started with that.

00:12:06.520 Look at where he is on tariffs.

00:12:09.560 They said the so-called intelligentsia Trump's going to crash the economy based on the tariffs.

00:12:14.520 He's going to mess everything up.

00:12:16.320 No.

00:12:16.820 In fact, the economy, the stock market has been booming.

00:12:20.980 But prices have remained high.

00:12:23.780 The only way to bring prices down is, well, if you want to get really technical about it, technical about it, you got to see a you can have a cessation of demand or you can have an increase in supply.

00:12:34.680 But the best thing that we could see is an increase in efficiency of manufacturing of goods and services and spending and investment.

00:12:46.140 And that's what will bring prices down.

00:12:48.300 mandates the Mamdani approach price controls.

00:12:52.320 Price controls not only have made New York City and the whole state of California, but because of government regulation.

00:12:59.740 But price controls in New York City have made real estate far more expensive.

00:13:04.640 Anywhere where they try this, it makes real estate more expensive.

00:13:08.560 And overall, price controls in the economy is part of what has destroyed a large part of what destroyed the Venezuelan economy.

00:13:13.860 I mean, there's many things, but price controls is at the heart of it.

00:13:16.980 Oh, we're just going to seize assets and then we can't make this stuff.

00:13:20.320 We're going to seize the factories, right?

00:13:21.820 This is the Maduro approach.

00:13:22.940 We'll seize the factories and we'll make the stuff, but we can't make much money off of it.

00:13:28.780 And we're not very good at making it.

00:13:30.640 So we'll just say it has to cost this.

00:13:33.920 Well, it doesn't work that way because you can't make them at that price.

00:13:37.620 So guess what happens?

00:13:38.320 Shortages.

00:13:38.720 And then the black market comes in with the real price and all of this is very well established.

00:13:44.120 But the Trump team has to get very dialed in on here is.

00:13:50.540 Yes.

00:13:51.000 Talk about what the Biden inflation was.

00:13:53.000 And that's why I played that former SEC chair.

00:13:55.880 Talk about what the Biden inflation was, but also how it is coming down, how it is being addressed and how it is going to get better over the next year.

00:14:07.440 Because of what Trump is doing, Republicans got to focus in on this because it is not an overstatement to say if we have a weak year of not just policy, but a weak year of messaging.

00:14:20.280 And I'm going to say, Republicans, where's the big legislation, guys?

00:14:24.220 Ah, the big, beautiful bill.

00:14:25.520 OK, it's a spending bill.

00:14:26.900 Where's the legislation?

00:14:28.500 Where's the, you know, the new approach to health care?

00:14:31.220 Got to get together on this one and make some things happen.

00:14:36.040 If you lose the House and you're Donald Trump, then it just turns into, all right, we got to wait for the next election.

00:14:42.440 We got to wait for the, you know, the heir apparent of the Republican Party to take over for MAGA because the Democrats will just tell they will.

00:14:50.860 What's the phrase cut off their nose to spite their face?

00:14:53.720 I mean, they will just make everything stink and then blame it all on Trump.

00:14:59.740 And you know that.

00:15:01.000 So economy, economy, economy.

00:15:04.080 Very, very important.

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00:17:18.480 Almost in the middle of December.

00:17:21.700 I can't believe it.

00:17:23.240 Christmas is going to be here before you know it.

00:17:24.580 You know, my wife's birthday is Christmas.

00:17:27.660 So I can do the two-for-one on the presents.

00:17:30.700 I'm just saying.

00:17:32.480 I got that going for me, which is nice.

00:17:35.860 And then my birthday is a few days later on December the 28th.

00:17:39.500 So I will not be on air that day, but I will be turning.

00:17:43.580 I am not kidding.

00:17:44.560 I forget right now.

00:17:45.760 I'm 44.

00:17:47.360 I'll be 44 years old.

00:17:49.140 As the gray in my little kind of almost beard is indicating I'm getting older.

00:17:56.500 But I'm very excited for the Christmas season.

00:17:58.480 I've got my in-laws here actually right now.

00:18:00.660 I'll be seeing more and more family, and I'm sure many of you will too, and that's fantastic.

00:18:06.460 So on the one hand, I am in a really good mood, and I think that it has been a great year.

00:18:13.520 I've had a great year.

00:18:14.520 I've loved doing this show, and we'll talk more about this next week in the last couple

00:18:18.260 of days.

00:18:18.640 I'm live on the air with you.

00:18:20.060 It's been a great year for this program, and we're so thankful for all of you, honestly,

00:18:24.300 who listen and who are with us through this.

00:18:26.920 I feel blessed that I get to do this show every day.

00:18:29.100 I love my job.

00:18:30.380 There is no other job that I would rather have than this job, which is an incredible thing

00:18:35.060 to be able to say.

00:18:36.460 And I say that as somebody who was asked at one point to maybe have a cabinet-level position

00:18:40.900 in the government.

00:18:42.040 I still would rather do this job.

00:18:44.560 Full stop.

00:18:45.460 I love what we get to do here.

00:18:47.440 But there's a responsibility with that as well, of course, not just to do the best show possible,

00:18:51.680 but to try to help save the country in what little way we can.

00:18:56.400 There's so many competing voices out there.

00:18:58.520 And that then brings me to the...

00:19:02.960 I keep calling it the food fight.

00:19:04.820 You know, there's all this stuff that's happening right now, and I'm not even sure how many of

00:19:08.700 you are aware of it.

00:19:09.360 You know, you haven't brought it up very much.

00:19:11.420 And I always tell you this.

00:19:12.640 But your calls, your emails, even the ones that don't make it on the air, the team reads

00:19:18.300 them.

00:19:18.740 Clay and I read them.

00:19:19.880 So we have an ongoing conversation every day.

00:19:22.520 All the VIP emails, all the talkbacks.

00:19:25.080 And even if you don't get on the air, but you call in and you talk to, usually it's producer

00:19:29.660 Greg to come on live on the show.

00:19:31.720 He tells us what you were going to say.

00:19:33.120 So we know where you are as much as we can.

00:19:36.540 And we're always trying to be up on your thoughts on how the country is going.

00:19:43.840 And we haven't seen very much of, hey, where are you on the food fight?

00:19:46.920 And, you know, I really appreciate that.

00:19:48.800 And I like it because there is a decency and a maturity in this audience that is, I think,

00:19:59.260 second to none in the entire world of media, but also in certainly in conservative media.

00:20:05.720 I think that you are people who come at this, this saving of the country, caring about the

00:20:13.600 country with so much good faith and enough wisdom to know that you don't want your time

00:20:19.180 wasted on petty nonsense, petty nonsense.

00:20:22.720 So and Clay and I talk about this, you know, because we see what's going on out there and

00:20:27.720 we choose not to get into the into the mudslugging and everything else.

00:20:33.360 Some of these are people that are involved that we like.

00:20:35.720 Some of them I don't even really know.

00:20:37.260 Some of them I don't want to know.

00:20:38.580 It doesn't really matter.

00:20:39.600 I'm telling you about all this, one, just so you know, that we're for any of you who

00:20:44.900 are asking, why haven't you gotten into?

00:20:47.420 We're trying to save the country here.

00:20:48.760 And I don't say that to be grandiose or, you know, we're trying to get as many people

00:20:54.240 as informed, as fired up, as engaged and get more people.

00:20:59.880 We want more young people.

00:21:01.280 We want digital audience, too.

00:21:03.000 We want YouTube subscribers.

00:21:04.520 We want, you know, as well as our fantastic five hundred and sixty something stations.

00:21:08.780 Who's counting?

00:21:10.020 We are.

00:21:10.820 But we want to focus on what really matters here.

00:21:15.280 And I just want to say, I think it is to your tremendous credit that you want to as

00:21:21.400 well, because we're not getting a lot of we don't get a lot of chirping at us about, well,

00:21:26.740 what about this crazy thing that this lunatic said?

00:21:29.580 You know, yeah, we make fun of the left and the Democrats to say things, but we I don't

00:21:34.480 I don't get into squabbles with people on the right.

00:21:37.720 If you're on my team for 90 percent or ninety five percent of stuff, you're on my team as

00:21:43.140 it as it pertains to policy, as it pertains to saving the country.

00:21:46.560 And I just think that you give us the latitude and the leeway to continue to focus on what

00:21:51.800 matters, which brings me to we are in a real fight here for the stuff that is affecting

00:21:57.740 you every day.

00:21:59.380 And I think we're losing the am I say we the Republicans are losing a little bit of

00:22:04.420 ground on this right now.

00:22:06.420 How many even knew about this, that there are competing Obamacare plans being voted on

00:22:12.940 right now in the Senate?

00:22:15.000 In fact, I think the Republican one just right.

00:22:16.820 Producer Ali just got voted on and failed.

00:22:19.060 Now, of course, that of course, it failed.

00:22:22.340 That's not the surprise.

00:22:24.220 But they need to be talking about what's involved here.

00:22:27.500 And now we've got these these different plans.

00:22:30.740 This is the stuff that really affects your day to day life.

00:22:35.140 You're talking to me about prices.

00:22:37.300 Everyone needs to understand Obamacare, which was passed with a Senate supermajority.

00:22:44.220 Right.

00:22:44.740 Remember the disaster of the McCain 2008 campaign and a huge recession and, you know, the great

00:22:51.060 recession, all this stuff they had wide open, wide open pathway to slam through whatever

00:22:59.620 they wanted, essentially.

00:23:01.720 And this is what they did.

00:23:03.380 They pushed this reorganization of health care that has really put us on a glide path to single

00:23:11.000 payer.

00:23:11.380 And it's a I shouldn't say glide path.

00:23:13.580 But it's more like a train that has gone off the tracks and is eventually going to, like,

00:23:19.660 implode.

00:23:20.400 Right.

00:23:20.700 But but they know that that's what has happened.

00:23:22.580 There's nothing gliding about this.

00:23:24.000 It's not nice because the failures that occur along the way, your family's health care premiums,

00:23:31.180 the cost that you are paying every time you go to the doctor, every time you're going to

00:23:36.860 have an elective surgery or an emergency surgery, whatever it may be.

00:23:40.580 All of that is worse now than it was before they passed Obamacare and you with your tax

00:23:47.240 dollars, but also more specifically, specifically with your health care premiums that you pay.

00:23:54.240 Are going to subsidize illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be the country in the first 1.00

00:23:58.880 place that's happening.

00:24:00.360 They can pretend it's not happening.

00:24:02.020 It absolutely is happening because the whole premise of this is that people are going people

00:24:10.000 with more.

00:24:10.560 You know, this is from each according to his ability to each according to his needs played

00:24:15.700 out via health care.

00:24:16.580 And it's a disaster for all of us because it's not increasing.

00:24:22.820 I said, how do you deal with costs?

00:24:25.180 How do you make stuff cheaper?

00:24:26.480 Make more of it.

00:24:27.860 Make it more efficiently.

00:24:29.400 Put more out there.

00:24:30.800 Do it better.

00:24:32.140 Or you have shortages, especially with something like health care.

00:24:36.820 What they've really done, actually, is incentivize people who have care to use more of it, irrespective

00:24:46.120 of the outcomes.

00:24:47.340 The insurance companies get rich on this because they have guaranteed customer bases now who

00:24:52.020 have no choice and no say.

00:24:54.700 The whole thing is an absolute mess.

00:24:57.080 And how many people right now even know about the dueling Senate bills?

00:25:03.640 And the Schumer bill is going to just extend the affordable care subsidies.

00:25:07.680 First of all, isn't it funny?

00:25:10.140 Notice a trend here.

00:25:12.440 Democrats call it the Affordable Care Act.

00:25:16.400 And it has, without question, there is no counterargument here rooted in numbers and

00:25:23.280 reality, okay?

00:25:24.120 It has made health care far less affordable.

00:25:30.080 Premiums are up 100, 150%.

00:25:32.600 You want to talk about prices?

00:25:34.500 That's something you're going to be paying every month.

00:25:36.340 That affects, by the way, the bottom line, if you own a business or you work for a business,

00:25:40.420 that is affecting everything.

00:25:42.820 Because you're expected to, you know, you got to have this stuff or you're going to go

00:25:47.800 bare and then you're just going to deal with the realities of the health care system.

00:25:54.120 As somebody who's not an illegal alien, but doesn't have insurance, but could have insurance

00:25:58.500 and the whole thing is a mess.

00:26:01.180 So what the Democrats want to do is extend the subsidies.

00:26:05.740 Yeah, it is the unaffordable care act.

00:26:07.840 And that's the truth.

00:26:09.640 Just like the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:26:11.500 Remember, under Biden, they passed the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:26:14.720 It didn't reduce inflation at all.

00:26:18.100 If anything, it increased inflation and the whole bill really wasn't about inflation anyway.

00:26:23.380 They lie.

00:26:24.900 It is straight out of news speak from Orwell.

00:26:29.220 It is straight out of the propaganda playbook.

00:26:32.740 By the way, great time to check.

00:26:34.220 One portion of Manufacturing Delusion.

00:26:37.480 And really, the book is in thirds.

00:26:40.860 It's brainwashing.

00:26:42.120 It's indoctrination.

00:26:43.540 It's propaganda.

00:26:44.900 And it's stories and hit stories from my life and history about these things.

00:26:49.380 So the back third of the book is about propaganda.

00:26:54.380 Go buy this book, Manufacturing Delusion.

00:26:57.540 I really mean this.

00:26:58.860 It is worth all of you reading.

00:27:01.140 And you know I would not say that.

00:27:02.400 People say, Buck, you've been doing this 15 years.

00:27:03.980 Why haven't you written a book before?

00:27:06.600 Because I wanted to write a book that I cared about.

00:27:10.240 I was going to write it.

00:27:12.000 I had the time to write it.

00:27:13.460 And I had the ability to make the book matter.

00:27:16.260 Because of this platform.

00:27:18.860 Because of this radio show.

00:27:21.000 The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:27:22.780 Which I share with my main man who's up in the sky right now.

00:27:25.520 On a plane.

00:27:26.480 He's okay.

00:27:27.580 But Clay.

00:27:30.260 That gives me the ability to have the critical mass.

00:27:32.720 Where it was worth the time.

00:27:34.520 Because I didn't want to do the like,

00:27:35.680 Oh, I am defeating the libs.

00:27:39.220 Buck's way to defeat the libs.

00:27:41.600 And pay someone else to write some book.

00:27:44.000 That I'm going to then hawk.

00:27:45.100 I'm sorry.

00:27:45.800 You know.

00:27:46.740 I don't call out names.

00:27:47.880 People do their own thing.

00:27:48.960 But they're just saturating the conservative book market.

00:27:54.500 With forgettable slop written by somebody else.

00:27:59.360 That's what's been going on in recent years.

00:28:01.340 It's just the truth.

00:28:01.940 You know it.

00:28:03.280 I researched.

00:28:04.580 I wrote.

00:28:05.620 I put this book together.

00:28:07.020 Because I think it matters.

00:28:09.320 I think that the manipulation of minds to political ends.

00:28:13.280 The creation of mass delusion.

00:28:15.340 The playbook to do it.

00:28:16.680 Is the scariest thing we face.

00:28:18.880 Yes, COVID of course is a type.

00:28:21.140 Or the pinnacle example that comes to mind for many.

00:28:24.140 But there's so many examples of this that play out.

00:28:27.780 There are so many aspects of this in our politics today.

00:28:32.100 People believe in all kinds of insane stuff.

00:28:36.500 You know.

00:28:36.740 And we are increasingly in a world where.

00:28:39.500 You know.

00:28:40.100 If you're not saying the most inflammatory conspiratorial.

00:28:44.260 People think that you're like a sellout.

00:28:45.860 Well, what I always want to say to people is how often are we wrong on this show?

00:28:51.080 How often have I had to come to you or Clay and say, look, we make predictions and we like to joke around about that.

00:28:56.700 Although a lot of our predictions, you know, end up coming true.

00:29:01.200 So.

00:29:01.560 But.

00:29:01.820 But I'm talking about telling you something that is fact or that we know to be true.

00:29:05.260 And then we go, actually, we're really.

00:29:07.020 We miss that one in a big way.

00:29:08.820 We tell you we we speak to you on this show in the same way and with the same respect that I speak to my closest friends and my family members about these issues.

00:29:20.920 Again, that is our currency with you, that authenticity, that integrity that we bring to the show.

00:29:26.840 I do it and Clay does it.

00:29:28.280 And this is why I see why we get along so well on the air and off the air, because we are completely united in that mission.

00:29:34.900 And yes, it's the continuation, it's the the honoring of Russia's legacy, because Russia did that before.

00:29:43.160 But that's what all this is supposed to be about.

00:29:46.320 It's not supposed to be people who are just, you know, sniping at this person or that person with little things on on Twitter and and getting all nasty with each other.

00:29:56.160 And you're you're fake. 0.96

00:29:57.880 You're a fed. 0.99

00:29:58.600 You're you know, no, guys, the communists want to ruin the country.

00:30:02.680 Do you understand?

00:30:03.040 They still want to do this.

00:30:04.340 And I know that we've had a year where it feels like we're winning, but that can change in the blink of an eye.

00:30:11.420 It can change in the blink of an eye.

00:30:13.640 And then all of a sudden you want to talk about having a rough a rough go of things, a fractured right with an ascendant lunatic AOC mom. 0.53

00:30:23.920 Donnie left is a very scary country for us.

00:30:28.360 So and how do we get there?

00:30:29.820 How can people believe this?

00:30:30.960 The book, Manufacturing Delusion, Manufacturing Delusion is the book.

00:30:36.340 Please go.

00:30:37.400 And I know you say, oh, Buck, I'm going to wait.

00:30:38.860 No, just go get it now.

00:30:40.340 And then February, it'll arrive at your front door on the day of I'm also there.

00:30:44.960 You can get the audio book, too, by the way.

00:30:46.700 I'm going to be recording that in a couple of weeks.

00:30:48.000 But that'll be out on the release date is February 17th.

00:30:52.520 I really want all of you to get the book.

00:30:54.440 And I truly mean that.

00:30:55.300 I don't know if I'm ever going to write a book beyond this.

00:30:57.020 I don't know.

00:30:58.140 This one took me two years and it's not long.

00:31:01.260 You can read the whole thing.

00:31:02.300 It is not a long book either.

00:31:04.060 I think it matters.

00:31:05.200 And I want you to read it.

00:31:06.360 And there's a link up at ClayandBuck.com.

00:31:09.020 But please go get the book because, like I said, this show, the things that we do are supposed to have purpose.

00:31:17.380 And it's beyond ego and it's beyond self-congratulation.

00:31:21.680 And a lot of the stuff that I see going on with the right these days, we've got to fix health care.

00:31:26.120 We've got to fix costs.

00:31:27.120 We've got to fix inflation.

00:31:28.600 We have to not just secure the border.

00:31:30.640 We've got to ramp up these deportations way more than what we've already seen.

00:31:34.820 I know they're working on that, but we have to stay focused.

00:31:38.320 Now is not the time to get into intramural squabbles and lose sight of what really matters.

00:31:45.460 And to that end, I will come back and discuss the Abrego-Garcia and just the overall immigration enforcement picture.

00:31:52.540 Because, like I've said, economy is going to be number one the next 12 months.

00:31:56.520 I'm telling you, this economy and how we talk about it and what happens is critical.

00:32:00.760 But also, yeah, the border is secure.

00:32:02.900 What do we do about all the people who are here illegally and what that has done to our system? 1.00

00:32:07.640 All right, two weeks from today is Christmas Day.

00:32:09.960 That's enough time for you to do something really creative for your family.

00:32:12.460 Hear me out on this.

00:32:13.940 Because I know Clay and I are saying, oh, gifts.

00:32:16.560 Well, yeah, but that's getting somebody a leather belt for the fourth year in a row.

00:32:21.500 Not that anybody would do that, but maybe that's happened to one of us.

00:32:24.480 That's like a gift that doesn't have any thought behind it.

00:32:27.080 What about a gift that has tremendous thought behind it, that brings you to a place where you can enjoy, cherish memories with family members, and also you enjoy the whole process because it makes you think about it.

00:32:40.980 You sit down with your family.

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00:33:46.020 Okay, second hour, Clay and Buck.

00:33:48.060 Let's look at immigration, shall we?

00:33:49.780 Let's jump into the biggest immigration story today.

00:33:54.480 A federal judge has ordered, ordered, President Trump, well, the Department of Justice,

00:34:01.000 to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia from ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, from ICE Custody.

00:34:11.920 This is Judge Paula Zinis, X-I-N-I-S, I guess.

00:34:20.780 Yeah.

00:34:21.520 So he is supposed to be released immediately.

00:34:24.900 Team, monitor this one for me.

00:34:26.020 Let me know if, in fact, he does get released immediately.

00:34:30.920 I have a feeling the administration is going to say,

00:34:33.560 hmm, not sure that's how this is going to go.

00:34:36.340 We'll see.

00:34:38.000 But this has been quite a story, and the Democrats are going to continue to push very hard on this.

00:34:46.040 Let's just take a little trip down memory lane, shall we?

00:34:49.980 This guy, Abrego Garcia, he is the alleged MS-13 gang member who had an order of deportation against him at some point,

00:35:00.140 wasn't deported, fighting his deportation, all this stuff.

00:35:04.740 And on March 15th of this year, he was sent from the U.S. to El Salvador,

00:35:14.280 where he was detained in the CICOT, the Center for Terrorism Confinement.

00:35:20.240 And the Supreme Court weighed in on this one, and I believe it was 9-0.

00:35:27.820 And they said, look, you guys, you can't just remove this guy to El Salvador.

00:35:36.880 And this removal to El Salvador was illegal.

00:35:39.720 So the U.S. then brought him back in.

00:35:43.140 The Trump administration brought him back in.

00:35:45.420 And there's now all this legal wrangling about, is he a member of MS-13, is he not?

00:35:52.780 Abrego Garcia says he is not a member of MS-13.

00:35:56.280 Now, that matters because that gang has been designated a foreign terrorist organization.

00:36:00.860 So from a legal perspective, the Trump administration seeks to treat, or now does treat in some ways,

00:36:07.960 MS-13, like Al-Qaeda, and this guy is now supposed to be released.

00:36:16.040 There was one point at which the Trump administration was trying to remove him to Liberia, Uganda, Ghana, or Eswatini.

00:36:30.040 I got to tell you, we're getting really deep into geography knowledge here with that one.

00:36:34.220 And that's one of these really tiny countries in Africa.

00:36:37.240 There's some very, very small countries in Africa that are not well-known.

00:36:42.620 And, yeah, he was not removed to those countries, but that was what was happening.

00:36:48.640 Here's what's at issue with all of this.

00:36:50.900 There has been, there's going to be continued legal fighting over this, and is there a detainee order?

00:36:55.500 Our whole immigration system has been turned into a massive scam and a third-world invasion of this country 1.00

00:37:02.100 as a result of the misleading of the American people, the taking advantage of the American people,

00:37:11.460 and has been largely bipartisan. 0.98

00:37:14.160 Democrats have been complete liars and frauds on this, top to bottom. 0.94

00:37:16.940 100% of Democrats are terrible on immigration, and half of Republicans, I would say, in the 21st century, roughly, 0.98

00:37:27.900 half of Republicans are pretty terrible on immigration.

00:37:31.280 I think that would be fair.

00:37:32.520 You know, in recent years, the numbers changed a lot because of Trump.

00:37:37.080 But if you were to take this all the way back to, say, the year 2000, take this back to the Bush era,

00:37:43.160 Republicans have been bad, too.

00:37:44.380 So this has been a huge, huge issue.

00:37:48.760 And a little bit like where we are with the debt.

00:37:52.600 And I'm not somebody who traffics in despair on this program.

00:37:57.580 Quite the opposite, right?

00:37:59.060 We talk about the problems.

00:38:00.340 We also talk about the solutions.

00:38:01.600 We look at what's gone wrong.

00:38:02.880 We never forget what's going right.

00:38:06.260 But the immigration situation is a bit like our soon-to-be $40 trillion of debt.

00:38:12.920 It is massive.

00:38:14.800 It is affecting everything.

00:38:17.640 And I don't know if we're going to be able to fix it.

00:38:20.640 This is just the truth.

00:38:22.560 We're going to try.

00:38:24.000 I certainly am advocating for it.

00:38:26.200 But you hear people like Stephen Miller, who knows this issue and is of sound mind on this issue at the absolute peak.

00:38:36.620 I mean, he's like at the top of his game on immigration.

00:38:40.500 This is cut 16.

00:38:42.260 He's pointing out that this issue of immigration and more specifically legal immigration, it is messing up everything in this country. 0.54

00:38:49.920 You cannot bring tens of millions.

00:38:53.960 We don't know the number.

00:38:55.840 I would guess.

00:38:58.140 See, whatever I say, you're going to say, Buck, how could you?

00:39:00.660 It's more or it's less.

00:39:01.860 Most of you would say, I think there are 20 to 30 million illegals in the country right now.

00:39:09.540 20 to 30 million.

00:39:10.700 And I don't think that's even, I think that's like definitely 20, 25, and maybe it's 30, 35.

00:39:18.260 It's a lot.

00:39:19.280 It's a lot.

00:39:20.240 Tens of millions for sure.

00:39:22.380 The number they were telling us, it's 11 million, please.

00:39:25.900 They let 10 million in under Biden and they're planning to never leave.

00:39:29.000 So we know we're in the 20s.

00:39:30.840 I think we're in the 30s.

00:39:32.340 Some of you are going to say, Buck, we're in the 40s, maybe.

00:39:35.280 But it's definitely 20s, 30s, millions that we're talking about here.

00:39:40.420 And this is Stephen Miller on what a big issue it is.

00:39:42.500 Play 16.

00:39:43.240 We mask the impact of immigration in every public policy issue we discuss.

00:39:47.680 We talk about test scores.

00:39:49.260 If you subtract immigration out of test scores, all of a sudden our test scores skyrocket. 0.85

00:39:54.640 If you subtract immigration out of health care, all of a sudden we don't have near the size of the health care challenges our country faces.

00:40:02.580 If you subtract immigration out of public safety, all of a sudden we don't have violent crime in so many of our cities. 0.92

00:40:09.260 Issue after issue, we talk about these things as they just happen to us.

00:40:12.860 The schools just suddenly fail.

00:40:14.520 Violent crime just suddenly explodes.

00:40:16.320 The deficit just suddenly skyrockets.

00:40:18.280 These are a result of social policy choices that we made through immigration.

00:40:24.320 It's all true.

00:40:25.980 It's all true.

00:40:26.860 Now, the way that this issue has been, and this is why the Abrego-Garcia thing, isn't it fascinating?

00:40:33.760 Democrats, ACLU, these types.

00:40:37.840 Oh, my gosh.

00:40:39.100 Anything to keep Abrego-Garcia in this country. 0.97

00:40:41.480 This guy's an illegal. 0.72

00:40:43.240 He's been accused of crimes. 0.74

00:40:44.720 He's an illegal.

00:40:45.360 He should go.

00:40:46.700 Whatever it is they have to do, they will do.

00:40:50.900 The left, the Democrats will do to keep illegals in this country. 1.00

00:40:55.100 They want to keep them all.

00:40:56.720 If they could keep them all, they would keep them all.

00:40:59.340 Occasionally, and they'll say, what about Obama and all this?

00:41:01.500 Yeah.

00:41:02.500 In order to fool just enough people to stay in power, Democrats will occasionally go through a period of, oh, you know, you're right.

00:41:12.880 This is a problem.

00:41:13.820 Oh, maybe we should.

00:41:14.760 And what Obama did was change the definition of a deportation such that people who were caught and turned away immediately at the border, they counted as a deportation.

00:41:24.700 So they were juicing the numbers there.

00:41:28.380 But they were also doing that so they could create the political momentum with the Gang of Eight bill, with the Senate Gang of Eight.

00:41:38.260 They were trying to create the political momentum for a mass amnesty, which is, and by the way, that's game over.

00:41:45.320 You know that the Reagan amnesty, the worst thing that Reagan did when he was president was the amnesty.

00:41:50.480 They did, under Eisenhower, the deportation operation they ran, I think it was over a million.

00:41:59.500 It was like 1.2, 1.3 million in one year deported.

00:42:02.660 And that was in 1950-something.

00:42:06.660 So we've been here before, and the country at some points has said, you know what, this is crazy.

00:42:13.980 You got to go.

00:42:15.860 You got to go.

00:42:16.780 Also, note, people act like it's so, oh, you've been in America for a year or three years or whatever it may be.

00:42:23.900 The notion of going back to the country you lived in your whole life until you snuck into this country, it's so horrible, it's so unthinkable?

00:42:34.000 What does that mean?

00:42:35.820 Well, actually, it's interesting.

00:42:37.220 Trump is just saying stuff out loud that you're not supposed to say, you're not allowed to say, but we say it now. 0.87

00:42:44.820 There are countries that people want to live in and countries that are crappy. 0.86

00:42:48.760 This is true.

00:42:50.780 There are cultures that produce countries where people live in security, prosperity, able to achieve some degree of relative happiness.

00:43:01.480 And there are countries where that's just not going on at all, where people live a far more Hobbesian, you know, life is brutish, nasty, and short, Hobbesian existence.

00:43:13.540 And Somalia is at very, very high on that list of what Hobbes would say, that's a rough place.

00:43:21.540 Here is Trump saying, you know, we should be bringing in more people from countries that produce extremely law-abiding, extremely high productivity, aligned with our values, immigrants.

00:43:41.900 That's what we should be doing.

00:43:43.060 This is cut 15.

00:43:44.000 This is what Trump says.

00:43:45.020 We had a meeting.

00:43:46.600 And I say, why is it we only take people from whole countries, right?

00:43:52.040 Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, just a few.

00:43:57.160 Let us have a few.

00:43:58.640 From Denmark.

00:44:00.640 Do you mind sending us a few people?

00:44:02.600 Send us some nice people.

00:44:03.960 Do you mind?

00:44:05.300 But we always take people from Somalia, places that are a disaster, right? 1.00

00:44:11.720 Filthy, dirty, disgusting, ridden with crime. 0.96

00:44:14.500 The only thing they're good at is going after ships. 0.99

00:44:16.620 You can tell Trump, not a fan of Somalia.

00:44:21.520 He's definitely seen Black Hawk down a few times.

00:44:23.360 Not a fan of Somalia.

00:44:25.360 And a lot of Somalis aren't either. 0.99

00:44:28.020 You know, we talk about the Somali population here in Minneapolis.

00:44:30.460 There's a tremendous amount of displacement of Somalis into Kenya, which is right next door, which is still a country with a lot of tremendous amount of crime, unfortunately, and a lot of problems.

00:44:39.280 But the functional country, notice, though, that you're not supposed to say we want people from happy, good countries.

00:44:52.160 And you say, well, hold on.

00:44:53.460 I thought our immigration system, we have been told all this time that we're taking the next founder of Google and we're, this is, you know, immigration, doing the jobs Americans won't do. 0.94

00:45:03.760 And we're a nation of immigrants.

00:45:04.900 You hear all this propaganda, all this stuff all the time.

00:45:07.180 It's supposed, the system is supposed to benefit the people here.

00:45:13.620 Is the system, is our immigration system in the 21st century benefiting those who are already here on a aggregate, you know, net net on an aggregate basis?

00:45:26.500 Or have we turned into a immigration from third world countries welfare ward that we constantly are lied to?

00:45:41.100 And because most of the very poor countries in the world, and this starts to get into other conversations about immigration and about the nation state,

00:45:50.400 most of the very poor countries in the world are non-white countries. 1.00

00:45:56.840 And so when you start to look at countries that you don't necessarily want to take a lot of immigrants from because they're going to have, again, this is just objective stuff.

00:46:05.000 It's not about not liking the way someone looks.

00:46:07.380 It's not about judging someone because of their skin color.

00:46:09.640 If you're making policies to benefit Americans, if you're taking people from countries with high levels of crime and or terrorism, low level of education, do not speak English, 0.96

00:46:20.180 and have no cultural tie or affinity to America other than we're really rich here and they get to be safe and get free stuff.

00:46:33.180 And then, of course, as soon as possible, start voting in the directions that will undermine all of that.

00:46:40.220 Right. Start voting for socialism. Start voting for Islamism. Start voting for whatever. 1.00

00:46:45.720 We are told that that's not what's happening, but that has been happening.

00:46:48.760 And people are allowed to notice that and be upset about it, and the American people are allowed to say this bait-in switch cannot happen anymore,

00:46:59.960 where you say it is to our benefit, but really it is part of some global DEI crusade of we need to have the most non-white immigration possible.

00:47:12.980 Look, there are plenty of countries that are non-white countries that are wonderful places.

00:47:19.760 People are doing great. I know Beaver always is attacking Japan, for example, for its lack of replacement.

00:47:27.080 They've got to have more kids. That's true.

00:47:28.280 Taiwan, which I just came back from, is an amazing country.

00:47:34.560 Phenomenal in so many ways. Wonderful people. Incredibly smart. Incredibly civilized.

00:47:42.340 And, you know, there are many, many others. There are a lot of great countries all around the world.

00:47:46.560 Our immigration system is absolutely not set up to prioritize those people.

00:47:53.060 We say the reality of immigration is kind of the way if you had, like, you know, a Gavin Newsom voting California, you know,

00:48:05.340 wine-swilling lib, you know, with the Chardonnay glass.

00:48:10.120 We say, oh, let's take as many people from war-torn fill-in-the-blank as possible, because that'll make me feel, 0.82

00:48:17.120 I'm going to live in Beverly Hills, but it'll make me feel good about myself to say that we're going to take as many people from,

00:48:25.000 what do they call it in Team America, Durk-Durk-Durkistan, right,

00:48:28.480 to take as many people from whatever country is some jihadist hellhole of the moment or whatever, 0.63

00:48:33.940 going through some famine or civil war.

00:48:36.220 We're supposed to have a very small percentage of asylum seekers.

00:48:41.080 Look what happened.

00:48:42.500 These millions and millions of people came in.

00:48:44.360 They all say they're here for asylum.

00:48:46.760 They're not here for asylum.

00:48:48.600 They're here for the spoil system. 0.88

00:48:51.220 Can we get enough of them to actually go back to their home countries that America can be saved?

00:48:54.960 This is the question.

00:48:56.380 This is where we are, and certainly where the Trump administration is on this, but I'm,

00:49:02.820 is it too late?

00:49:04.300 We'll see.

00:49:04.760 What do you think happens if a Democrat wins the next election?

00:49:07.960 They're going to open the floodgates again.

00:49:10.080 Of course.

00:49:10.980 Of course they are.

00:49:11.920 If Trump can't get this done with the House and the Senate, who's going to, who's going to reverse the flood?

00:49:19.360 I, we need to talk about this.

00:49:21.120 We have to be honest about this.

00:49:22.960 All right.

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00:50:59.800 We are talking immigration and how this is such a critical issue.

00:51:05.700 So go with immigration. 0.97

00:51:07.140 So go with the nation, I think.

00:51:09.320 Can Trump and his team fix it?

00:51:11.760 You had DHS Secretary Noem on the Hill today getting a whole lot of back and forth

00:51:19.440 with Democrats who are trying to get their sound bites.

00:51:22.840 And she is trying to make the case, make the case that, well, for one, Democrats are very

00:51:32.620 dishonest on this issue.

00:51:33.860 Of course, that's true.

00:51:35.720 And that the Trump administration is acting within the law and that there's going to be

00:51:39.240 a lot more of what we have already seen.

00:51:42.280 I certainly hope that's the case.

00:51:43.560 In the meantime, over on that CNN show, I think it's CNN Tonight, right?

00:51:52.300 Is that the one?

00:51:53.020 They change them all the time.

00:51:54.500 It doesn't really.

00:51:55.440 It's that the one with Abby Phillip, whatever they call it.

00:51:59.940 She was talking about this.

00:52:02.620 She was talking about the immigration issues that you and I are discussing here.

00:52:07.520 And I just want to point out, whenever you start to hear a liberal talk about this country

00:52:13.960 and they're the worst on guns, this is just kind of funny for those of you, which is pretty

00:52:20.860 much not all of you, but a vast, vast majority of you who are gun people, Democrats will speak

00:52:27.380 about guns and it's like their first day of learning Mandarin Chinese, like they just 0.99

00:52:32.540 know nothing and they don't care.

00:52:34.440 They know nothing.

00:52:35.080 They'll talk about chainsaw bayonets and machine gun flamethrower, you know, laser pods.

00:52:42.360 They just have no idea.

00:52:43.720 They just know they want to ban them.

00:52:44.880 They want to take them from you and everything else.

00:52:46.780 When they talk about the history of immigration, they also have no idea.

00:52:51.600 They don't know what they're talking about and they leave out very key things, things that

00:52:56.000 we need to know today and we need to have people familiar with in order to have reasonable

00:53:04.920 immigration policy going forward.

00:53:08.080 And I think we've reached a point in America where the foreign born population is too high, 1.00

00:53:13.180 meaning that we need to slow things down.

00:53:16.260 It's not a knock on anybody who's an immigrant legally.

00:53:19.440 It's not a knock on anybody's background who's an immigrant or anyone's religion or skin color

00:53:23.680 who's an immigrant.

00:53:24.180 And it's just, OK, the history of America and its immigration policies has been we take

00:53:31.140 in a bunch of people and then we say, OK, we need to let everyone do the America thing

00:53:35.260 for a while here.

00:53:37.180 And then, all right, we take in a bunch of people and then we say, hold on a second.

00:53:40.960 It's time to let everybody get to know each other.

00:53:44.040 Americanize the new arrivals. 0.61

00:53:49.000 And this is now something you can talk about.

00:53:51.720 You couldn't even say this stuff really 10, 15 years ago without, oh, my gosh, how could

00:53:56.620 you?

00:53:57.560 Look what's happening in Europe.

00:53:59.360 You have large constituencies, including of asylum seekers or refugees in European countries

00:54:06.840 who make it very explicit.

00:54:08.780 They hate the country that I mean, when I say hate it, they love the welfare.

00:54:11.640 They love that they're now safe and fed and warm and housed and all of that courtesy of

00:54:18.620 the host country.

00:54:20.140 But they despise the beliefs and the people and the culture and everything else.

00:54:24.300 You have this in the UK.

00:54:25.480 You have this in Sweden.

00:54:26.320 You have this in the Netherlands.

00:54:27.240 You have this in Belgium.

00:54:28.040 You have this in France.

00:54:28.860 You have this in Spain.

00:54:29.840 You have Germany. 0.82

00:54:31.380 You have this in these countries now.

00:54:33.100 Large populations of new arrivals who are not saying, hey, we're going to we're going to

00:54:39.180 be there for you.

00:54:39.960 We're going to do the best stuff we can.

00:54:41.640 And we're so grateful.

00:54:44.520 We're so grateful.

00:54:45.940 Do you get the sense that that the illegals that have come into America who go to these 1.00

00:54:53.440 protests, for example, and create all these all this this spectacle in places like Los

00:54:59.060 Angeles?

00:54:59.740 Remember, we saw that Trump called the National Guard.

00:55:02.700 Do they ever speak of the gratitude they have for this country?

00:55:05.060 No, they think they just they think that it's owed to them.

00:55:09.120 I came here and I'm just as American as you.

00:55:12.760 But you're not.

00:55:13.960 You're not lawfully in this country.

00:55:15.940 You violated the compact.

00:55:17.740 The law of the United States is something that binds all Americans.

00:55:23.600 Americans and you, the illegal, have violated that. 0.69

00:55:27.280 You are not as American as everybody else. 0.99

00:55:29.620 Sorry.

00:55:30.100 But you go on places like CNN and they they will say things that are just counterfactual

00:55:37.040 about the history of immigration and how these processes have all worked.

00:55:40.720 And I've even gotten to the point now where I like to say to people, you know, pick a country.

00:55:47.920 Pick a country like Sweden.

00:55:49.840 It's a good example for a bunch of reasons.

00:55:52.700 I think Sweden has 10 million people, you know, 10 million people, and they've let in something 1.00

00:56:00.420 like a million migrants in the last decade or two from the Middle East, from Muslim countries.

00:56:06.800 And they've got some problems, some challenges, but the the data on particularly violent crimes

00:56:15.740 of sexual sexual crimes show that the new arrivals, unfortunately, in these countries from the 1.00

00:56:22.380 Muslim world are wildly disproportionately represented in the ranks of the offenders.

00:56:29.220 Just a fact, so much so that countries like Sweden try to hide it as a matter of state

00:56:36.620 policy.

00:56:37.540 We have that, too, I might add.

00:56:38.840 In this country, you have a lot of in the in the stats about who's committing crimes.

00:56:44.640 You'll have illegals who look like they're an MS-13, but they'll be counted in prison 1.00

00:56:49.520 data as white.

00:56:51.940 So wait, so now we're dealing with the white Hispanic thing again. 0.99

00:56:54.760 Remember that with with George Zimmerman, which they only could pull off, they thought,

00:56:59.020 the media on the Trayvon Martin situation because his last name was Zimmerman.

00:57:03.520 And if his name was, you know, was George Dominguez, might have been a little harder to say he's

00:57:07.740 a white guy.

00:57:08.260 But that's that's what they tried for a while.

00:57:10.660 The white Hispanic. 0.71

00:57:12.080 I'd never I had truly never.

00:57:14.660 I'm trying to think in the media, have I had I ever heard that term?

00:57:17.240 I don't think I'd ever heard that term in a media report, at least before the George

00:57:21.380 Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin trial, which Obama weighed in on, if you recall, said if he had

00:57:26.540 a son, he would have looked like Trayvon because Obama was really interested in harmony

00:57:30.560 and racial healing in this country.

00:57:33.580 Sure.

00:57:34.960 How did that all go for us?

00:57:38.240 Regardless, I am now.

00:57:42.460 On a mission to try to do all I can to educate people who were willing to listen about what

00:57:50.080 really happened at various times in this country's history when it comes to immigration.

00:57:53.600 Oh, sorry, sweet.

00:57:54.520 I have to finish my Sweden.

00:57:56.460 A Sweden. 0.69

00:57:57.100 I'm weaving, I'm weaving, as Trump says, right?

00:58:00.320 He says, I'm weaving, weaving a story, weaving a tale.

00:58:03.580 OK, Sweden has 10 million people.

00:58:05.060 Would it still be Sweden if they brought in five million Syrians, Iraqis and Somalis?

00:58:11.800 Just take that one.

00:58:13.580 Would it still be Sweden?

00:58:15.840 Technically, yes, maybe you would you would call it that.

00:58:19.320 Is it the same country?

00:58:20.060 Is it the same country?

00:58:23.600 Oh, so people will admit when you go through this that at some point, if you change the

00:58:28.740 people in a country enough, it is a different country.

00:58:31.980 That's obvious.

00:58:33.420 And if the five million of the 10 million coming from very different cultures, very different

00:58:38.060 backgrounds doesn't.

00:58:39.800 OK, what if we brought in 10 million?

00:58:42.340 What have you brought in 10?

00:58:43.100 What if all of a sudden you'll also notice that it is only countries, according to the

00:58:49.720 left and according to Democrats, that are predominantly or overwhelmingly white, Caucasian,

00:58:55.980 that are supposed to just say this is a process that this is as natural as it can be.

00:59:01.780 We want as many people from the third world as possible. 1.00

00:59:06.120 The Japanese aren't doing that.

00:59:07.540 Quite the opposite, in fact.

00:59:09.800 Japan is for Japanese. 0.93

00:59:11.000 China is not doing that.

00:59:13.860 Second biggest country in the world.

00:59:16.420 India is not doing that.

00:59:17.560 The biggest country in the world.

00:59:18.760 They're not saying give me everyone from everywhere else.

00:59:22.240 But why is it that America, Canada and Western European countries are supposed to do that without

00:59:30.240 protest, no matter the consequences?

00:59:34.000 Well.

00:59:35.120 We start to see what's what the awakening in this country has been all about.

00:59:41.500 And and I would also again, just work through this piece by piece.

00:59:45.620 If all countries are the same in terms of where we should be privileging those who come here 1.00

00:59:52.740 legally, why even have a system that pretends to be sorting and making decisions?

00:59:58.420 It's all the same.

00:59:59.540 Of course, it's not all the same.

01:00:03.300 Canada had a point system, an explicit point system for how much money you have, your education,

01:00:09.800 and they still have all kinds of problems up there now with assimilation and with unity of the Canadian people and still have a lot of problems.

01:00:18.540 But they were just like, we're going to take the people that are going to do the best for us.

01:00:23.360 And that was, I think, well, I'll let the Canadians speak on that one.

01:00:29.520 But it's been a big change in perception about that.

01:00:32.740 So why even have a system that allows some in but not others if it's all the same?

01:00:37.460 Clearly, some countries are going to send.

01:00:40.000 And this is not this is, again, about policy.

01:00:42.820 Are there amazing?

01:00:44.240 Are there incredible?

01:00:45.480 Yeah.

01:00:46.260 Ayaan Hirsi Ali is Somali.

01:00:49.480 She's brilliant.

01:00:50.800 She's brave.

01:00:51.920 She's incredible.

01:00:53.280 Incredible woman.

01:00:54.520 Read her book, Infidel, whatever it was, 20-something years ago.

01:00:58.520 She is gutsy. 1.00

01:01:00.260 She's an amazing woman.

01:01:01.760 She's Somali.

01:01:03.160 It's not about holding anything against any individual when we talk about immigration.

01:01:09.440 It's about we've got to make, we've got to draw the line somewhere.

01:01:13.560 We have to have some what's generally true policies.

01:01:18.780 And it is generally true that taking people from, I've talked about Taiwan a fair bit because I was just there, from Taiwan is going to result in more people who are highly productive, highly law-abiding, than taking people who have come here from, pick a country, you know, from Yemen.

01:01:44.380 Yemen's been in rough shape for a long time now.

01:01:48.340 Very poor country, war-torn country, ideologically, a lot of jihadism, okay?

01:01:56.040 So, and then this goes back even to what the so-called Muslim bent. 0.82

01:01:59.380 We have to start to look at this.

01:02:00.560 Okay, I wanted to do CNN.

01:02:01.780 And here's CNN's Abby Phillip taking shots at Stephen Miller over his role in Trump administration, immigration policy.

01:02:11.620 Play 17.

01:02:12.320 Why are you assuming that assimilation is not happening?

01:02:15.360 Yeah.

01:02:15.520 Because, you know, when Stephen Miller's ancestors came here in the early 1900s, they didn't speak a lick of English, okay?

01:02:23.780 They were working factory jobs.

01:02:27.120 There is a generational shift that happens where sometimes the first generation, they don't speak English, but they have children.

01:02:32.900 And those people are Americans.

01:02:35.040 And they become people who are no different from you or you or you or you.

01:02:40.960 Assimilation actually is happening and does happen.

01:02:45.240 So, that's not the policy that we have been told is in effect, which is just take anybody, eventually they'll learn English and their kids will be born here and they'll be as American as everybody else.

01:02:55.940 And I'd also note, in the context of a place like Europe, we've seen it's not always true.

01:03:01.560 Not always true they even learn the language.

01:03:04.700 And I'm going to tell you this.

01:03:05.800 I'm here in South Florida.

01:03:07.860 There are – I did not really come across this very much in New York City in my 30-something years living in New York.

01:03:14.520 It is more common here.

01:03:15.440 There are people here who speak no English, who live here, who are here forever. 1.00

01:03:21.060 They speak no English.

01:03:22.520 They're immigrants to this country. 0.95

01:03:23.820 They do not speak any English.

01:03:26.340 That's a problem.

01:03:28.240 Everybody who's here should be able to speak English.

01:03:30.300 English, that Trump signed, you know, English is the national language executive order.

01:03:33.760 I would like to see actually more action on this with Congress.

01:03:36.500 You have to have shared law, shared language, shared culture, shared history.

01:03:42.280 Because a nation at some level is a people who come together around ideas and those shared things that I just laid out.

01:03:53.980 But it is a people.

01:03:55.940 Meaning that it's a place in time and a people in that place.

01:04:00.240 And you can't just say, all of you go over here to some other place and we're going to replace all of you at once and it's the same country. 0.85

01:04:06.840 That's just not true.

01:04:07.580 And so we've had to look at this at a very baseline level.

01:04:14.480 How rapidly are the American people not as American in the sense that you've got tens of millions of illegals who are here.

01:04:25.660 And you've got people who are arriving here and in the case of what we see in Minneapolis immediately becoming dependent on the state.

01:04:35.340 Immediately they want their benefits.

01:04:37.120 And that's on that's on all of us to pay those bills.

01:04:39.620 The Americans who are already here. 0.92

01:04:41.560 We're allowed to say, I don't want to be, I don't want the boot of the state on my neck.

01:04:50.180 Making sure that I give 40% of my income to the federal government so that I can pay for foreigners who have arrived. 1.00

01:04:55.500 And you can say, oh, it's only a small part of the budget.

01:04:57.920 Okay, well then get rid of it.

01:04:59.600 Then it shouldn't be happening at all.

01:05:01.040 Finally, we can talk about this.

01:05:04.020 The president's talking about this a lot.

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