Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay and Buck

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00:00:04.700 Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show.

00:00:09.760 We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

00:00:12.460 Buck has already, like many of your kids and grandkids have,

00:00:16.460 started his Christmas vacation.

00:00:18.640 He is off and about.

00:00:20.740 I will be with you today and tomorrow solo,

00:00:23.480 taking you into Christmas week.

00:00:26.260 And there's a lot for us to dive into.

00:00:29.700 A couple of different stories that are out there

00:00:32.140 that we will be monitoring.

00:00:34.360 We still have no idea who the Brown University shooter was.

00:00:38.020 They've released a few more videos.

00:00:40.720 I'll continue to update you with that,

00:00:42.860 but I'm not optimistic that there is any imminent arrest

00:00:47.140 that is coming there.

00:00:48.480 And as a result, we still don't know a lot

00:00:50.960 about whatever the decision might have been

00:00:53.960 that was made that motivated that attack.

00:00:56.680 So that is out there.

00:00:58.360 The continued fallout of the awful Bondi Beach shooting

00:01:02.380 in Australia continues.

00:01:04.560 But we begin with some good news.

00:01:08.800 Inflation has just come in at the lowest level

00:01:13.280 since the spring of 2021,

00:01:16.100 when cost of goods began to skyrocket under Joe Biden

00:01:20.640 as he poured trillions of dollars into the economy

00:01:24.600 in the early days of what I think it's fair to call

00:01:28.320 the worst administration in any of our lives.

00:01:33.360 Inflation comes in at 2.7%.

00:01:37.100 Again, the inflation goal for the Fed is 2%.

00:01:41.860 We have been fighting our way back down

00:01:44.400 since I believe it was June of 22.

00:01:47.000 Team can correct me if I'm wrong or right on that.

00:01:50.220 I think it was June of 22 that inflation hit 9.1%

00:01:55.200 in this country and necessitated a rapid rise overall

00:01:59.740 in interest rates.

00:02:00.880 I'm going to actually break this down for you

00:02:02.860 because a big part of the 2026 election

00:02:06.420 is going to be based on cost of goods, affordability.

00:02:11.220 But I want to give you the latest information.

00:02:15.480 I'll give you a couple of different ways

00:02:17.360 that this broke down.

00:02:19.880 This was from CNBC economics reporter Steve Leesman.

00:02:24.600 Here he is on CNBC reacting in surprise

00:02:28.760 to the numbers on inflation coming in

00:02:32.080 much lower than expected.

00:02:33.880 Cut to.

00:02:34.420 The number of the morning, the CPI,

00:02:37.020 oh, maybe coming in a little bit better than expected.

00:02:39.500 2.7%, a little light here.

00:02:42.340 I'm not calling.

00:02:43.200 I'm just reading the headlines here.

00:02:44.960 Year over year, 2.7.

00:02:46.560 X Food and Energy Core, 2.6.

00:02:48.520 So four tenths off.

00:02:50.140 That is a very good number here.

00:02:53.060 All right, very good number.

00:02:54.560 That is CNBC.

00:02:55.840 Here is Maria Bartiromo.

00:02:58.400 Side note, I got to meet Maria Bartiromo

00:03:01.340 for the first time,

00:03:02.540 I think it was in early November

00:03:05.240 at a Fox event,

00:03:07.800 and I was just giddy.

00:03:09.560 And Buck would tell you this,

00:03:11.300 and my wife would tell you this,

00:03:13.500 I got to meet Joe Kernan.

00:03:15.300 I was a kid who liked to watch CNBC back in the day,

00:03:18.600 so Maria Bartiromo, Joe Kernan,

00:03:20.840 for those of you who remember that era

00:03:23.480 when there was no competition,

00:03:25.880 I was so excited to meet her,

00:03:27.760 and I was just giddy.

00:03:29.300 And the fact that she knew me

00:03:30.560 and she said,

00:03:31.020 oh, I love what you and Buck are doing,

00:03:32.960 that was awesome,

00:03:33.580 which reminds me,

00:03:34.420 we should get her on the program.

00:03:36.000 But here is Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo

00:03:39.040 as this news comes out reacting to it.

00:03:42.640 Cut one.

00:03:43.540 Inflation's running at maybe 2.9% right now.

00:03:46.840 2.7% year over year.

00:03:48.840 Let me interrupt you.

00:03:49.680 I'm sorry, Steve.

00:03:50.560 2.7% year over year is the number.

00:03:53.720 We were expecting 2.6% is on core.

00:03:57.300 2.6% is core,

00:03:59.560 and 2.7% is headline.

00:04:01.700 This is better than expected.

00:04:03.260 We were expecting 3% on core.

00:04:05.280 We got 2.6% CPI for the month of November.

00:04:09.940 We got headline number of 2.7%,

00:04:12.540 much better than the 3.1% expected.

00:04:15.800 Markets are on the move.

00:04:17.400 Dow Industrials now at the highs of the morning,

00:04:19.280 up 165 on this number.

00:04:21.160 Okay, as we speak to you,

00:04:24.320 the Dow is near an all-time high,

00:04:27.020 the S&P 500 is near an all-time high,

00:04:29.760 and the NASDAQ is near an all-time high,

00:04:32.060 and there's no other way to spin it,

00:04:35.620 says Harvard professor of economics Ken Rogoff.

00:04:39.000 Here he is reacting to it as well.

00:04:41.140 Again, cut three.

00:04:42.640 I mean, I was surprised.

00:04:43.720 It was a better number than anyone was expecting.

00:04:46.400 Look, inflation's been very high.

00:04:51.140 It's stayed high.

00:04:52.300 It has not been coming down,

00:04:53.480 but people were expecting it to be above 3%.

00:04:57.180 It was well below 3%.

00:04:59.060 I mean, I think the president will take this as good news.

00:05:03.440 The investors will think that interest rates

00:05:05.560 will get cut more.

00:05:06.980 So, you know, it was a positive news.

00:05:09.260 There's no other way to spin it.

00:05:10.860 Okay, we're going to get into

00:05:12.020 President Trump's address last night,

00:05:14.220 but this news has come out since then,

00:05:16.620 and you might be saying,

00:05:17.560 okay, Clay, what impact does this have on my life?

00:05:21.060 Why does this matter?

00:05:22.060 Let me kind of lay it out for you a little bit.

00:05:24.660 I get that people are frustrated with what things cost,

00:05:29.120 and let me take you on a little bit of a journey

00:05:32.040 and try to make sense of what happened

00:05:35.720 and why you are angry, many of you, including me,

00:05:39.400 at what the cost of goods actually are.

00:05:41.920 When Joe Biden came into office in January of 2021,

00:05:47.200 inflation was right around 2%.

00:05:50.320 That is the Fed's stated target.

00:05:53.000 Very low inflation that is hard to recognize

00:05:56.700 in general cost of goods, 2% inflation.

00:06:00.760 Almost immediately, the decision that Biden's team made

00:06:04.580 on the economy was,

00:06:06.260 we have to juice the economy.

00:06:08.540 Coming out of COVID, there is danger in not spending enough money.

00:06:13.860 We have to make sure that the federal government

00:06:16.440 is the fire hose that is trying to spray

00:06:20.180 as much economic growth as we can create.

00:06:23.460 And remember, Biden came into office

00:06:25.600 and immediately passed and spent

00:06:28.220 trillions of dollars in spending increases

00:06:30.940 because that was their idea.

00:06:33.060 Hey, we can't go too small.

00:06:34.640 We've got to put as much money from the federal government

00:06:37.660 into this economy as we can.

00:06:40.260 And what happened?

00:06:41.860 Almost immediately, overall inflation started to skyrocket

00:06:46.620 because we were giving too many people cash.

00:06:50.600 We were still at that time telling a lot of people,

00:06:53.260 stay home, eat Cheetos.

00:06:55.240 The government's got your back.

00:06:57.080 You don't have to worry about income.

00:06:59.960 You don't have to worry about paying for your cost of goods.

00:07:02.760 And the value of a dollar began to plummet

00:07:06.820 and inflation skyrocketed.

00:07:09.040 And by June of 2022, everything had gone up.

00:07:13.740 We were at a 9.1% inflation rate.

00:07:18.080 Overnight, and I know many of you felt this,

00:07:22.100 you would go out to get fast food

00:07:24.900 or buy a pizza for your family

00:07:27.760 and everything just started costing

00:07:30.780 way more than it should have.

00:07:33.120 You were looking around and you were saying,

00:07:34.880 how in the world did that pizza cost this much?

00:07:37.160 I have talked about it a lot

00:07:38.380 because the place that my family goes the most often

00:07:41.180 is Chick-fil-A.

00:07:42.440 I love Chick-fil-A.

00:07:44.020 My boys love Chick-fil-A.

00:07:45.860 I've got three growing boys

00:07:47.760 suddenly going through the Chick-fil-A drive-thru

00:07:50.760 starting in 2021, 2022.

00:07:54.080 Everything was over $50 for my family.

00:07:56.500 That $50 used to be, hey, I can go have a sit-down meal.

00:08:02.120 I can go to Logan's Roadhouse.

00:08:04.920 I can go to Applebee's.

00:08:06.740 I can go to Chili's.

00:08:08.080 I can eat an affordable sit-down meal

00:08:09.960 with an actual waitress coming to take our order.

00:08:12.700 And all of you felt this.

00:08:14.940 And it wasn't just cost of goods.

00:08:17.920 Because inflation skyrocketed so fast,

00:08:21.160 the overall rate of the Fed interest rates

00:08:25.760 also began to skyrocket.

00:08:27.620 And this is where the cost of homes started to explode

00:08:33.220 at the same time that interest rates took off.

00:08:37.080 And for those of you out there

00:08:38.620 that were fortunate enough to buy homes in 2020 or 2021,

00:08:43.540 you got 2.5% mortgage rates, 15-year, 3%, 30-year rates,

00:08:50.540 all sorts of unbelievable mortgage rates.

00:08:53.500 And then suddenly the mortgage rates skyrocketed to over 7%.

00:08:59.060 And a lot of you out there listening to me right now,

00:09:02.140 you're still in those homes.

00:09:03.600 And you're saying, Clay, I'm not going to move.

00:09:06.000 I've got a 2.5% interest rate locked in.

00:09:08.860 I've got a 3% interest rate locked in.

00:09:11.080 So the overall housing market froze

00:09:13.640 because a lot of people that otherwise

00:09:15.720 might have been considering moving to another home

00:09:18.640 because interest rates skyrocketed so fast

00:09:22.240 as inflation skyrocketed so fast.

00:09:25.620 Money was so cheap

00:09:27.460 that suddenly we had to raise the cost of interest rates

00:09:30.380 to try to bring down the overall rate of inflation.

00:09:33.740 And this was effectively the story of the Biden administration.

00:09:38.120 So many people got locked in to homes

00:09:40.680 and so many people got locked out of homes.

00:09:42.920 And instead of in the spring,

00:09:44.880 typically when moms and dads out there say,

00:09:48.000 hey, we got a new kid,

00:09:48.860 it's time to move to a new school district.

00:09:50.600 You're saying, hey, we're not moving.

00:09:53.040 We're locking in our 2.5% interest rate.

00:09:55.820 And maybe your kids have left school,

00:09:58.040 going off to college.

00:09:59.360 Maybe you're thinking about retiring.

00:10:01.060 You don't need the same size home you've already had.

00:10:03.540 You're sitting around saying,

00:10:04.620 why in the world would I sell my home

00:10:07.120 when I'm going to have to take on a mortgage

00:10:08.680 that's a lot higher?

00:10:10.320 Price of homes has gone up so much,

00:10:13.200 everything was broken.

00:10:14.260 That's the world in which Trump returned to office

00:10:18.780 in January of 2025.

00:10:22.920 And what he has tried to do

00:10:24.820 is focus on bringing down interest rates

00:10:29.220 and bringing down inflation

00:10:31.240 and putting more money into your pocket.

00:10:34.480 And it is working.

00:10:35.600 Now, the challenge is,

00:10:38.480 I'm not sure that it's going to work fast enough

00:10:41.640 for people to feel it in 2026.

00:10:45.760 If we were having this conversation next year,

00:10:48.940 I think the economy is going to be firing on all cylinders.

00:10:52.040 I think the thing that you care about the most,

00:10:53.700 which is more money in your pocket

00:10:55.120 and the cost of goods increasing at a lower rate

00:11:00.080 than your overall wage growth is,

00:11:02.620 that's the number one.

00:11:03.700 If you told me, hey, Clay,

00:11:04.680 what is the number one economic issue

00:11:06.840 that you think matters the most?

00:11:08.300 It is, you need to be making, on average,

00:11:12.160 more money in wage increase

00:11:14.380 than the cost of the goods that you are buying that with.

00:11:17.480 That is how you feel better about your wallet,

00:11:20.620 about your pocketbook, about the money there.

00:11:22.740 Trump is trying to tell that story now.

00:11:25.340 The challenge is, people are angry

00:11:27.980 because of how bad Joe Biden was.

00:11:30.900 And as a result, telling that story,

00:11:33.700 is really challenging

00:11:35.240 because you risk sounding like you don't understand

00:11:39.700 what's really going on on the ground

00:11:42.980 when you tell people things are getting better,

00:11:46.040 but they can't feel it yet.

00:11:47.960 That is, to me, the story of 2026.

00:11:52.680 How much does the reality of things getting better

00:11:56.260 start to pierce into the expectations of people

00:12:01.580 on the ground out there?

00:12:03.540 Because things are getting better.

00:12:05.540 The numbers all reflect that.

00:12:07.800 But it takes a while of things being better

00:12:11.040 for people to start to feel it

00:12:12.980 and for the anger of the unprecedented economic failures

00:12:17.240 of the Biden tenure to start to diminish.

00:12:20.680 And this is why I have made the argument,

00:12:23.220 as you guys know, I love history.

00:12:25.480 Many of you lived through it.

00:12:27.880 It took a while for Ronald Reagan

00:12:30.360 to actually start to get popular in this country.

00:12:33.640 He took over for Jimmy Carter,

00:12:35.880 who was an economic disaster.

00:12:39.320 Reagan, it took four years for him to catch fire

00:12:44.040 and for people to recognize

00:12:45.560 that all of the supply-side decisions he was making

00:12:48.500 were starting to juice the economy.

00:12:51.400 And the inflation from Jimmy Carter

00:12:53.460 and the interest rates

00:12:55.480 that everybody had to pay on their mortgages,

00:12:57.620 it took a while for people to recognize

00:12:59.640 that things were starting to get better.

00:13:01.800 And some of you who lived through that,

00:13:03.260 remember, people weren't sold on Reagan

00:13:05.260 in 81, 82, 83.

00:13:08.240 And then lo and behold, by 84,

00:13:11.360 the ravages of the Carter era are fading

00:13:14.020 and Reagan can go out and win 49 states.

00:13:18.920 I'm not sure that we're going to see

00:13:21.640 a huge victory in 2026.

00:13:25.980 I am very confident,

00:13:28.160 based on the decisions that are being made right now,

00:13:30.800 that by 2028,

00:13:33.000 everything is going to be firing on all cylinders.

00:13:35.500 And if you question me,

00:13:37.280 remember where we were before COVID hit

00:13:40.280 in February of 2020?

00:13:43.160 Trump was cruising to re-election.

00:13:46.240 The economy was probably, at that time,

00:13:49.560 the strongest it had ever been.

00:13:51.560 Virtually no inflation.

00:13:54.260 Mortgage rates were incredibly low.

00:13:56.520 Borrowing costs.

00:13:57.860 Everything was starting to fire

00:13:59.420 on all cylinders in Trump 1.0.

00:14:02.320 And then what happened?

00:14:03.460 COVID.

00:14:04.600 And suddenly everything got shut down

00:14:06.640 in March of 2020.

00:14:08.100 And we bore the brunt

00:14:10.600 of the disastrous decisions made

00:14:13.020 really in the early part

00:14:14.900 of the Biden administration.

00:14:16.420 Okay.

00:14:17.020 Did I do a good enough job

00:14:18.800 of making sense

00:14:20.060 of why this matters?

00:14:21.240 We're going to have open phone lines,

00:14:22.520 800-282-2882.

00:14:24.380 Did I miss something?

00:14:25.560 Is there something out there

00:14:26.480 that you think is important to add?

00:14:28.000 You can do a talkback.

00:14:29.240 You can hop on the phones

00:14:30.300 and react to us.

00:14:32.060 We've got a couple of great guests

00:14:33.200 coming your way.

00:14:33.820 Brianna Lyman,

00:14:34.660 first time ever on the show.

00:14:36.120 In the second hour,

00:14:37.080 Jonathan Alpert is going to be with us

00:14:38.480 in the third hour.

00:14:39.360 You guys love Jonathan Alpert.

00:14:40.840 He was the psychologist

00:14:42.440 we had on to talk about

00:14:43.760 Trump derangement syndrome

00:14:45.000 in advance of Thanksgiving.

00:14:47.840 Advice from him

00:14:48.840 on how to handle

00:14:49.740 your family members

00:14:50.840 that may hate Donald Trump

00:14:52.440 as we come into

00:14:53.660 the Christmas season.

00:14:55.080 But I want to tell you right now,

00:14:56.500 unfortunately,

00:14:57.260 during the Christmas season,

00:14:58.380 we get a lot of cyber hacking going

00:15:00.680 because cyber hackers

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00:15:03.020 during the Christmas season.

00:15:04.380 This is their prime time,

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00:15:15.060 They just confirmed

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00:15:16.760 You probably won't recognize

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00:16:49.200 with the Clay and Buck Show

00:16:50.180 wishing you and your family

00:16:51.300 a very Merry Christmas

00:16:52.740 and a Happy New Year.

00:16:54.900 Buck Sexton here.

00:16:55.860 The entire Clay and Buck Show

00:16:57.360 wish you and your family

00:16:58.740 a warm Christmas season

00:17:00.080 and a joyful new year.

00:17:02.900 Welcome back in.

00:17:04.240 Clay Travis,

00:17:05.180 Buck Sexton Show.

00:17:06.620 We appreciate all of you

00:17:08.000 hanging out with us.

00:17:08.900 First guest of the day

00:17:10.320 joining us now.

00:17:12.400 I've been impressed

00:17:13.360 at how outspoken

00:17:15.360 she has been

00:17:16.160 on social media of late.

00:17:17.940 You certainly are seeing her

00:17:19.900 a ton all over

00:17:21.540 the airwaves,

00:17:23.460 whether it's Fox News,

00:17:24.700 whether it's Fox Business,

00:17:25.640 CNN as well.

00:17:27.520 Brianna Lyman

00:17:28.380 joins us now.

00:17:30.000 And she also writes

00:17:31.300 at The Federalist.

00:17:32.220 My friend,

00:17:32.700 Sean Davis,

00:17:33.260 got a great company

00:17:34.520 that he helps to drive there.

00:17:37.200 Brianna,

00:17:37.880 I've been seeing you

00:17:39.200 weigh in a lot

00:17:40.480 on this.

00:17:41.380 I would say

00:17:42.220 maybe echo

00:17:43.620 or continuing

00:17:45.200 lasting legacy

00:17:46.340 associated with this era

00:17:48.020 of taking down

00:17:49.480 historic statues

00:17:50.800 and trying to condemn people

00:17:52.640 based on modern day standards

00:17:54.860 for decisions

00:17:55.640 that they made in the past.

00:17:56.880 And in particular,

00:17:57.500 you've been tweeting a lot

00:17:59.140 about the state of Virginia

00:18:00.460 pulling a Robert E. Lee statue

00:18:02.580 out of the Capitol

00:18:04.400 where every state

00:18:05.360 has the ability

00:18:06.140 to have two different statues.

00:18:08.360 What strikes you

00:18:09.480 about that decision?

00:18:10.460 And what does it say

00:18:11.620 about the culture

00:18:12.300 of America

00:18:13.220 that we are still dealing

00:18:15.120 with these continued reverberations

00:18:17.900 from the crazy era

00:18:19.460 of 2020?

00:18:21.520 Yeah,

00:18:22.160 the point of these statutes

00:18:23.660 are you're supposed

00:18:24.580 to honor people

00:18:25.640 and who you cannot tell

00:18:27.220 the story of your state

00:18:28.660 without mentioning.

00:18:30.460 Robert E. Lee

00:18:31.280 is one of those people

00:18:32.940 that you cannot tell

00:18:34.200 a story about Virginia

00:18:35.460 without talking

00:18:36.560 about Robert E. Lee.

00:18:37.980 And he's not idolized

00:18:39.760 because he was,

00:18:40.840 you know,

00:18:41.200 fighting for the Confederacy

00:18:42.280 which wanted to preserve slavery.

00:18:43.640 He's more so idolized

00:18:45.680 for what he did

00:18:46.640 after the war.

00:18:48.340 This man became

00:18:49.460 the face of reconciliation

00:18:50.820 and it's very easy

00:18:51.960 for people in 2025

00:18:53.080 to sit back and say

00:18:54.260 he should have been executed,

00:18:55.680 he should have been exiled,

00:18:56.760 this man was a traitor.

00:18:58.080 But unless you're in 1860

00:18:59.840 and you understand

00:19:01.300 that it is not country first,

00:19:03.560 it is state first,

00:19:04.900 that Robert E. Lee

00:19:05.820 literally said

00:19:06.640 he doesn't believe

00:19:07.400 the Confederacy

00:19:08.120 had a reason to secede,

00:19:10.240 that he thought

00:19:10.660 it was a bad idea

00:19:11.520 but he said

00:19:11.980 if my home state

00:19:12.980 if Virginia secedes

00:19:13.980 I will not,

00:19:15.180 you know,

00:19:15.780 take up arms

00:19:16.420 against my home state.

00:19:17.800 Right?

00:19:18.000 So that's the valor

00:19:18.840 that we're talking about

00:19:19.740 and then after the war ended

00:19:21.440 he convinced Confederates

00:19:23.440 who wanted to go

00:19:24.240 into the bushes

00:19:24.860 and fight guerrilla warfare.

00:19:26.200 They were ready

00:19:26.620 to die to the very end

00:19:28.060 and he said no,

00:19:29.140 go home,

00:19:30.220 rebuild your families.

00:19:31.580 It's okay to ask

00:19:32.600 for a pardon.

00:19:33.440 He did it himself.

00:19:34.680 It's okay to want

00:19:35.660 to be friends

00:19:36.240 with your northern neighbors again.

00:19:37.880 We need peace

00:19:38.520 and reconciliation

00:19:39.140 and it wasn't

00:19:40.420 very easy to do.

00:19:41.620 That nation was holding on

00:19:42.840 by a thread

00:19:43.400 and Robert E. Lee

00:19:44.420 helped convince

00:19:45.220 a very disgruntled South

00:19:46.800 that it's time

00:19:47.660 to make peace

00:19:48.320 and that deserves remembrance.

00:19:49.900 All of that is 100% true

00:19:51.660 and this is my

00:19:52.840 Civil War history nerd

00:19:54.340 just geeking out here.

00:19:56.140 Everything that you said

00:19:57.340 is 100% true.

00:19:58.620 I've made these arguments

00:19:59.620 out there.

00:20:00.780 Is it one of the biggest threats

00:20:02.440 that we face

00:20:03.220 in this country

00:20:03.960 a profound lack

00:20:05.180 of historical literacy

00:20:06.660 such that

00:20:07.720 what you just laid out

00:20:08.640 and I would add

00:20:09.400 and you and I

00:20:10.380 were sending messages

00:20:11.360 about this

00:20:11.920 actually there was

00:20:13.320 a huge radical

00:20:14.420 Republican group

00:20:15.880 that wanted

00:20:16.740 to execute

00:20:17.820 as many different

00:20:19.080 former Southerners

00:20:20.440 as that fought

00:20:21.500 against the North

00:20:22.740 as many as they could

00:20:24.140 including Jefferson Davis

00:20:25.400 everybody else

00:20:26.400 and they actually

00:20:27.600 ended up

00:20:28.600 not winning

00:20:29.640 that battle

00:20:30.400 and as a result

00:20:31.740 the reconciliation

00:20:32.460 of the nation

00:20:33.340 which went far better

00:20:34.540 because leaders

00:20:35.240 on the North

00:20:35.960 and the South Side

00:20:37.020 said let's lay down

00:20:38.380 arms and let's actually

00:20:39.880 come back together

00:20:40.720 as a nation

00:20:41.460 very few people

00:20:42.540 know that

00:20:43.140 why do you think

00:20:44.200 that is?

00:20:45.480 Yeah and I'm so happy

00:20:46.720 you brought that up

00:20:47.260 so Thaddeus Stevens

00:20:48.120 was a radical Republican

00:20:49.420 who kind of led

00:20:50.320 that charge

00:20:51.100 to execute

00:20:52.240 and exile

00:20:53.420 these Confederates

00:20:54.420 but if you go back

00:20:55.960 even to 1860

00:20:57.260 Lincoln's first inaugural address

00:20:58.680 he spoke of mystic

00:20:59.900 cords of memory

00:21:00.640 what he was trying to do

00:21:01.840 is he was trying to remind

00:21:02.880 both those in the South

00:21:03.860 and in the North

00:21:04.500 that at the end of the day

00:21:05.620 they were people

00:21:06.840 whose ancestors

00:21:07.660 fought together

00:21:08.340 in the revolution

00:21:09.060 they were connected

00:21:09.860 by blood and memory

00:21:10.940 and they were all

00:21:11.680 still Americans

00:21:12.260 at the end of the day

00:21:13.200 and throughout the entire war

00:21:14.940 Lincoln's entire goal

00:21:16.040 was keep the Union together

00:21:17.460 he did not want to exile

00:21:19.280 or kill all of the Confederates

00:21:21.220 because he understood

00:21:22.000 they're part of the Union

00:21:23.360 they just need to kind of

00:21:24.360 be coaxed back into it

00:21:25.680 right?

00:21:26.460 It's the same reason

00:21:27.500 why Grant worked

00:21:28.500 to get such

00:21:29.320 generous surrender terms

00:21:31.680 for Lee

00:21:32.300 because they understood

00:21:33.440 that if you want a Union

00:21:34.460 to actually be united

00:21:36.020 you can't have half of them

00:21:37.900 and we're talking

00:21:38.760 a massive half

00:21:39.640 be executed

00:21:40.920 or exiled

00:21:42.100 it didn't work that way

00:21:43.300 and again

00:21:43.920 it's very easy for us

00:21:44.840 in 2025

00:21:45.360 to say

00:21:46.240 oh well they should have

00:21:47.200 been executed

00:21:47.760 they should have been exiled

00:21:48.680 but you try holding

00:21:50.080 a country together

00:21:51.100 and the reason

00:21:52.080 that this story

00:21:52.860 right now is so important

00:21:53.780 it's not just

00:21:54.780 Robert E. Lee

00:21:55.580 you and I said this

00:21:56.620 they tore down

00:21:57.200 statues of Jefferson

00:21:58.560 and if we are making

00:22:00.220 the standard

00:22:00.780 that if you're not

00:22:01.580 morally perfect

00:22:02.360 your statue has to come down

00:22:03.820 then so does Jefferson's

00:22:05.300 so does Washington's

00:22:06.400 because they own slaves

00:22:07.380 and that's the entire point

00:22:09.120 of this entire woke movement

00:22:10.980 we don't get to have heroes

00:22:12.720 like Washington

00:22:13.460 or Jefferson

00:22:14.080 because they were stained

00:22:15.200 by slavery

00:22:15.840 that's it

00:22:16.560 it doesn't matter

00:22:17.060 what else they did

00:22:17.920 and that's why

00:22:18.820 we have to make sure

00:22:19.600 that we're being honest

00:22:20.620 about historical realities

00:22:22.300 and about living

00:22:23.400 in those times

00:22:24.240 and what those people

00:22:25.300 did besides

00:22:26.080 you know

00:22:26.760 the moral stains

00:22:27.700 of slavery

00:22:28.300 it's also important

00:22:30.200 to apply it

00:22:31.080 I think you mentioned

00:22:31.740 Washington

00:22:32.220 Jefferson

00:22:32.760 Lincoln

00:22:33.180 certainly

00:22:33.780 the monuments

00:22:34.920 those guys

00:22:35.440 have been attacked

00:22:36.040 for a variety

00:22:36.680 of reasons

00:22:37.340 Martin Luther King Jr.

00:22:39.340 used to do an advice column

00:22:40.960 believe it or not

00:22:41.780 you may have read this

00:22:42.760 and said that

00:22:44.060 anybody who was gay

00:22:45.180 was victim of a mental illness

00:22:47.120 and that they should be

00:22:48.500 basically committed

00:22:49.980 essentially

00:22:50.920 and that was in the 1950s

00:22:53.200 well now that would be

00:22:54.100 considered reprehensible

00:22:55.220 by many parts of the nation

00:22:56.780 do we tear down

00:22:57.540 his statue as well

00:22:59.060 all of us

00:23:00.000 even the ones

00:23:00.700 like you and me

00:23:01.580 who think we're pretty good

00:23:02.480 at things

00:23:02.900 and everybody out there

00:23:04.120 listening

00:23:04.480 we're all going to be judged

00:23:05.980 as lacking

00:23:06.700 by history

00:23:07.900 because no one lives up

00:23:09.620 to whatever the standard

00:23:11.060 is in the future

00:23:11.800 in a perfect way

00:23:12.680 you actually

00:23:13.660 and I think Robert E. Lee

00:23:14.620 is such an interesting

00:23:15.860 example of this

00:23:16.860 because as you mentioned

00:23:18.360 in Arlington

00:23:19.480 he was offered

00:23:21.140 and spent all night

00:23:22.220 pacing

00:23:22.680 trying to decide

00:23:23.860 do I want to take over

00:23:25.360 command of the entire

00:23:26.740 union forces

00:23:27.660 or do I want to stay

00:23:29.240 loyal to my state

00:23:30.260 a lot of people

00:23:31.040 don't understand

00:23:31.620 this in today's

00:23:32.700 day and age

00:23:33.240 but your state

00:23:34.460 used to be

00:23:35.200 the equivalent

00:23:35.860 of a country

00:23:36.880 for many people

00:23:37.800 because in the 1860s

00:23:39.620 a lot of people

00:23:40.340 never traveled

00:23:41.140 outside of their

00:23:42.160 state borders

00:23:42.940 because it was

00:23:43.840 so difficult

00:23:44.380 comparatively

00:23:45.080 to be able

00:23:45.860 to travel

00:23:46.420 and so

00:23:46.780 we think of

00:23:47.520 state residents

00:23:48.180 now as being

00:23:49.120 something that

00:23:49.660 is easy to change

00:23:50.800 and maybe your

00:23:51.660 national character

00:23:52.520 matters more

00:23:53.220 than the state

00:23:53.820 from which you live

00:23:54.780 but back in the day

00:23:56.020 your state

00:23:57.000 was more important

00:23:58.380 to a large extent

00:23:59.420 than your country

00:24:00.420 was

00:24:00.880 because most people

00:24:02.420 never left their states

00:24:03.440 yeah

00:24:04.580 and it's

00:24:05.320 you know

00:24:05.500 part of that

00:24:06.100 you know

00:24:06.440 ordo amoris

00:24:07.500 right

00:24:07.860 you rank things

00:24:08.800 in priority

00:24:09.340 and to your point

00:24:10.180 people one

00:24:10.820 didn't travel

00:24:11.340 more than 15 miles

00:24:12.360 outside of their

00:24:13.340 community

00:24:13.880 in most cases

00:24:14.800 and two

00:24:15.560 you have to remember

00:24:16.200 that up until 1865

00:24:17.740 states were operating

00:24:19.220 pretty independent

00:24:20.300 of the federal government

00:24:21.400 right

00:24:21.620 it wasn't until

00:24:22.180 after the civil war

00:24:23.100 that we saw

00:24:23.540 the federal government's

00:24:24.360 role kind of expand

00:24:25.220 and it's been expanding

00:24:26.360 you know

00:24:26.780 it's expanding today

00:24:27.660 as we speak

00:24:28.200 so states

00:24:29.700 really did function

00:24:30.820 as that country

00:24:32.520 ideology right there

00:24:34.080 and Robert E. Lee

00:24:35.440 is someone

00:24:35.980 who loved

00:24:37.080 the union

00:24:37.820 but he loved

00:24:38.660 his state more

00:24:39.400 and it's hard

00:24:39.820 for people today

00:24:40.920 you know

00:24:41.880 the same people

00:24:42.480 who would go

00:24:43.220 publicly bash

00:24:44.200 RFK Jr.

00:24:45.180 their cousin

00:24:45.620 their brother

00:24:46.060 whoever it is

00:24:46.920 to understand

00:24:47.940 that back then

00:24:48.800 people had

00:24:49.660 hierarchies

00:24:50.560 of priorities

00:24:51.220 and it was

00:24:51.740 God

00:24:52.300 family

00:24:52.900 state

00:24:53.440 country

00:24:54.100 and it came

00:24:54.920 in that order

00:24:55.600 and that's what Lee

00:24:56.220 did

00:24:56.500 so you have to

00:24:57.160 remember Lee

00:24:57.780 in the times

00:24:58.720 he was in

00:24:59.340 versus the time

00:25:00.080 we are in now

00:25:00.740 and you brought up

00:25:01.760 a great point

00:25:02.280 with Martin Luther King

00:25:03.040 Jr.

00:25:03.280 look

00:25:03.620 this is a man

00:25:04.500 who fought

00:25:04.820 for good things

00:25:05.500 he also apparently

00:25:06.720 was beating his wife

00:25:07.680 right

00:25:07.980 and at some point

00:25:09.180 there's going to be

00:25:09.640 someone

00:25:09.920 a big group

00:25:10.480 of people

00:25:10.940 who say

00:25:11.260 wife beating

00:25:11.700 is bad

00:25:12.080 which it is

00:25:12.580 and they're going

00:25:12.840 to say

00:25:13.020 well we got

00:25:13.360 to tear down

00:25:13.860 MLK

00:25:14.360 of course

00:25:14.980 of course

00:25:15.000 that would be

00:25:15.280 ridiculous

00:25:15.720 but that's

00:25:16.820 what is going

00:25:17.620 to happen

00:25:18.080 with this

00:25:18.440 slippery slope

00:25:19.120 and I'm pretty

00:25:20.140 aggrieved

00:25:20.780 that the same

00:25:21.560 people

00:25:22.040 who are sitting

00:25:22.900 today convincing

00:25:23.580 us that baby

00:25:24.380 should be

00:25:24.860 murdered in the

00:25:25.500 womb

00:25:25.760 that we should

00:25:26.680 be transing

00:25:27.360 young kids

00:25:27.840 are suddenly

00:25:28.340 the arbiters

00:25:28.960 of what is

00:25:29.560 good and what's

00:25:30.220 bad

00:25:30.400 and we're

00:25:30.620 going to

00:25:30.780 listen to

00:25:31.140 them

00:25:31.360 Martin Luther King

00:25:33.280 also

00:25:33.800 was assassinated

00:25:35.740 in 1968

00:25:36.800 on that balcony

00:25:38.340 of the Lorraine

00:25:39.100 Hotel in Memphis

00:25:40.000 as many people

00:25:40.760 have seen

00:25:41.300 in the hotel

00:25:42.400 room

00:25:42.840 when he was

00:25:43.900 assassinated

00:25:44.620 was a mistress

00:25:45.800 Martin Luther King

00:25:47.480 as Robert F. Kennedy

00:25:49.220 and John F. Kennedy

00:25:50.400 and a lot of people

00:25:51.240 of that era

00:25:52.060 in particular

00:25:52.880 was not

00:25:53.920 an upstanding

00:25:54.780 family man

00:25:55.600 in the way

00:25:56.160 that many

00:25:56.640 would want

00:25:57.480 men to be

00:25:58.340 today

00:25:58.780 and in the past

00:25:59.640 and so

00:26:00.180 again

00:26:00.820 if you go

00:26:01.740 and look

00:26:02.180 at the past

00:26:03.100 of many

00:26:03.700 of our

00:26:04.080 historic figures

00:26:05.060 who are heroes

00:26:06.380 and change

00:26:06.920 the course

00:26:07.320 of the nation

00:26:07.860 they all had

00:26:09.060 some form

00:26:10.220 of sorted

00:26:11.040 past

00:26:11.720 or aspect

00:26:13.140 of their

00:26:13.520 personality

00:26:14.160 that would

00:26:15.540 be found

00:26:15.940 lacking

00:26:16.300 and I just

00:26:16.740 think it's

00:26:17.060 interesting

00:26:17.380 where we

00:26:17.780 draw the

00:26:18.100 line

00:26:18.320 and where

00:26:18.520 we don't

00:26:18.960 how old

00:26:19.400 are you

00:26:19.660 Brianna

00:26:20.020 I'm 27

00:26:21.620 all right

00:26:22.640 so you're

00:26:23.100 27

00:26:23.740 I and

00:26:26.060 Buck

00:26:26.380 if he were

00:26:26.920 here

00:26:27.160 we're both

00:26:27.740 huge history

00:26:28.540 people

00:26:28.980 I was a

00:26:29.980 history major

00:26:30.580 I read

00:26:31.600 everything I

00:26:32.220 can about

00:26:32.700 history

00:26:33.120 when you

00:26:34.120 are around

00:26:34.660 people

00:26:35.020 your own

00:26:35.660 age

00:26:36.140 how much

00:26:37.060 historical

00:26:37.700 illiteracy

00:26:38.580 do you

00:26:39.140 see

00:26:39.560 and

00:26:40.380 second

00:26:40.800 part

00:26:41.100 of that

00:26:41.540 how much

00:26:42.200 of that

00:26:42.520 feels

00:26:42.880 almost

00:26:43.200 intentional

00:26:43.720 because

00:26:44.080 if you

00:26:44.400 can tear

00:26:44.800 down

00:26:45.160 the heroes

00:26:45.840 of American

00:26:46.400 history

00:26:46.880 what you

00:26:47.560 really allow

00:26:48.400 is for

00:26:49.180 everything

00:26:49.900 to be

00:26:50.380 wiped

00:26:50.660 clean

00:26:51.000 because

00:26:51.200 when you're

00:26:51.520 saying

00:26:51.860 hey

00:26:52.140 if we

00:26:52.740 can point

00:26:53.160 to George

00:26:53.740 Washington

00:26:54.200 and Thomas

00:26:55.180 Jefferson

00:26:55.580 and say

00:26:55.900 they own

00:26:56.260 slaves

00:26:56.720 therefore

00:26:57.140 their moral

00:26:58.160 legitimacy

00:26:58.760 is questioned

00:26:59.500 then it

00:27:00.140 starts to

00:27:00.840 allow you

00:27:01.500 to question

00:27:01.940 the Declaration

00:27:02.520 of Independence

00:27:03.240 and the

00:27:04.020 Constitution

00:27:04.520 and argue

00:27:05.280 that America

00:27:05.820 was founded

00:27:06.380 on a huge

00:27:07.660 hill of lies

00:27:08.740 and so we

00:27:09.380 can just

00:27:09.680 wipe clean

00:27:10.260 of everything

00:27:11.100 that the

00:27:11.460 country has

00:27:11.880 been founded

00:27:12.300 on

00:27:12.520 that feels

00:27:13.320 historically

00:27:14.240 like the

00:27:14.760 goal

00:27:15.020 yeah

00:27:16.240 the goal

00:27:16.920 is to

00:27:17.420 delegitimize

00:27:18.160 the work

00:27:18.800 of the

00:27:19.100 founders

00:27:19.460 in my

00:27:19.860 generation

00:27:20.340 in particular

00:27:20.920 you know

00:27:21.580 we've been

00:27:22.020 indoctrinated

00:27:22.620 in public

00:27:23.340 education

00:27:23.880 and even

00:27:24.320 higher education

00:27:25.160 to a degree

00:27:25.840 where we're

00:27:26.320 shamed of

00:27:27.020 our heritage

00:27:27.600 and our

00:27:27.980 ancestors

00:27:28.500 and it's

00:27:29.380 not always

00:27:30.100 been like

00:27:30.640 that

00:27:30.940 you know

00:27:31.380 you go

00:27:31.680 back to

00:27:32.420 you know

00:27:32.780 the 70s

00:27:33.620 when Robert E. Lee

00:27:34.980 was given

00:27:35.780 his citizenship

00:27:36.820 back in full

00:27:37.660 that passed

00:27:38.540 I think it was

00:27:38.940 like 410 to 3

00:27:40.140 it was some

00:27:40.820 massive margin

00:27:41.860 because everybody

00:27:43.280 Republican and

00:27:44.060 Democrat

00:27:44.400 understood

00:27:44.940 that Robert E. Lee

00:27:46.100 was significant

00:27:46.740 for a few reasons

00:27:48.240 and it wasn't

00:27:49.100 so polarizing

00:27:50.120 you go to

00:27:51.020 what was it

00:27:51.840 1993

00:27:52.420 the movie

00:27:53.200 Gettysburg

00:27:53.720 came out

00:27:54.300 they didn't

00:27:54.880 portray Lee

00:27:55.760 as an

00:27:56.160 unrepentant

00:27:56.760 racist

00:27:57.200 at the end

00:27:58.180 scene

00:27:58.600 he's being

00:27:59.280 cheered on

00:28:00.020 by his

00:28:00.400 soldiers

00:28:00.780 as he goes

00:28:01.440 to surrender

00:28:02.180 right

00:28:02.580 and so

00:28:04.040 there was

00:28:04.940 a consensus

00:28:05.940 really up

00:28:06.680 until the past

00:28:07.320 20 years

00:28:07.960 that there are

00:28:08.840 some figures

00:28:09.420 who have a

00:28:10.060 definitely

00:28:10.680 complex

00:28:11.560 path

00:28:12.260 where some

00:28:12.760 things were

00:28:13.120 bad

00:28:13.440 and we don't

00:28:13.860 condone that

00:28:14.440 but nonetheless

00:28:15.160 it doesn't

00:28:15.720 take away

00:28:16.140 from the

00:28:16.820 reason

00:28:17.960 that we

00:28:18.580 look up

00:28:19.020 to them

00:28:19.380 or at least

00:28:19.980 recognize

00:28:20.780 their

00:28:21.500 impact

00:28:22.600 on America

00:28:23.180 I want

00:28:24.900 to write

00:28:25.260 another

00:28:25.620 book

00:28:26.120 and my

00:28:27.240 last book

00:28:27.780 just came

00:28:28.220 out

00:28:28.480 but I

00:28:28.920 think what

00:28:29.340 you're

00:28:29.540 getting at

00:28:30.100 I've been

00:28:30.580 kind of

00:28:31.080 grappling

00:28:31.480 with in

00:28:31.960 my own

00:28:32.360 head

00:28:32.680 it's

00:28:33.600 do we

00:28:34.080 define

00:28:34.460 people

00:28:34.800 by their

00:28:35.280 ceilings

00:28:35.860 or their

00:28:36.380 floors

00:28:36.940 and a lot

00:28:39.760 of times

00:28:40.180 I just

00:28:40.800 came from

00:28:41.140 a funeral

00:28:41.520 of my

00:28:41.920 uncle

00:28:42.200 this week

00:28:42.780 and he

00:28:44.200 didn't have

00:28:44.560 much of

00:28:44.880 a floor

00:28:45.240 he had

00:28:45.540 a great

00:28:45.860 ceiling

00:28:46.260 but if

00:28:46.820 you go

00:28:47.140 and watch

00:28:47.600 a eulogy

00:28:48.300 it almost

00:28:49.000 always is

00:28:50.280 this is

00:28:50.740 what he

00:28:51.120 or she

00:28:51.480 achieved

00:28:52.080 let's talk

00:28:52.620 about the

00:28:52.960 positives

00:28:53.420 we don't

00:28:54.380 marinate

00:28:54.800 in the

00:28:55.420 awfulness

00:28:56.040 of the

00:28:57.220 failures

00:28:57.640 that we

00:28:58.080 have in

00:28:58.380 our

00:28:58.520 life

00:28:58.820 at the

00:28:59.080 end

00:28:59.180 of

00:28:59.280 the

00:28:59.380 life

00:28:59.580 we

00:28:59.740 like

00:28:59.940 to

00:29:00.080 define

00:29:00.440 people

00:29:00.720 based

00:29:00.980 on

00:29:01.140 their

00:29:01.280 ceilings

00:29:01.700 it

00:29:02.220 seems

00:29:02.560 to

00:29:02.760 me

00:29:02.960 that

00:29:03.260 the

00:29:03.500 Democrat

00:29:03.960 party

00:29:04.380 in

00:29:04.620 general

00:29:05.080 focuses

00:29:05.940 on

00:29:06.380 the

00:29:06.580 floor

00:29:07.000 of

00:29:07.220 American

00:29:07.620 history

00:29:08.100 the

00:29:08.360 things

00:29:08.760 that

00:29:09.020 they

00:29:09.200 want

00:29:09.560 to

00:29:09.780 say

00:29:10.160 are

00:29:10.700 the

00:29:10.940 worst

00:29:11.320 parts

00:29:11.760 of

00:29:12.100 our

00:29:12.320 historic

00:29:12.780 figures

00:29:13.220 and it

00:29:13.840 seems

00:29:14.100 in

00:29:14.320 general

00:29:14.640 like

00:29:14.940 Republicans

00:29:15.480 tend

00:29:15.880 to

00:29:16.060 focus

00:29:16.380 on

00:29:16.660 the

00:29:16.840 ceiling

00:29:17.200 is

00:29:17.780 that

00:29:17.960 metaphor

00:29:18.240 out

00:29:18.600 of

00:29:18.720 line

00:29:18.980 or

00:29:19.120 do

00:29:19.220 you

00:29:19.320 think

00:29:19.520 there's

00:29:19.760 some

00:29:19.900 truth

00:29:20.160 to

00:29:20.380 it

00:29:20.560 no

00:29:21.460 I

00:29:21.580 think

00:29:21.720 it's

00:29:21.880 accurate

00:29:22.160 and

00:29:22.400 let's

00:29:22.800 think

00:29:23.000 why

00:29:23.360 does

00:29:23.620 the

00:29:23.800 left

00:29:24.140 focus

00:29:24.600 on

00:29:25.120 the

00:29:25.420 worst

00:29:25.800 of

00:29:26.020 the

00:29:26.160 worst

00:29:26.540 because

00:29:27.080 the

00:29:27.380 things

00:29:27.660 that

00:29:27.800 they

00:29:27.980 care

00:29:28.240 about

00:29:28.480 right

00:29:28.660 socialism

00:29:29.180 communism

00:29:29.880 that

00:29:30.340 is

00:29:30.480 fundamentally

00:29:31.100 incompatible

00:29:31.960 with

00:29:32.180 small

00:29:32.600 r

00:29:32.860 republicanism

00:29:33.760 and

00:29:34.140 if

00:29:34.280 you

00:29:34.420 actually

00:29:34.800 want

00:29:35.000 to

00:29:35.120 implement

00:29:35.540 communism

00:29:36.180 and

00:29:36.420 socialism

00:29:36.740 on a

00:29:37.120 large

00:29:37.340 scale

00:29:37.660 you

00:29:38.140 have

00:29:38.480 to

00:29:38.680 fundamentally

00:29:39.340 reshape

00:29:40.080 America

00:29:40.440 you

00:29:40.640 have

00:29:40.920 to

00:29:41.020 get rid

00:29:41.220 of

00:29:41.260 the

00:29:41.360 declaration

00:29:41.760 you

00:29:41.940 have

00:29:42.120 to

00:29:42.200 get rid

00:29:42.400 of

00:29:42.460 the

00:29:42.560 bill

00:29:42.700 of

00:29:42.820 rights

00:29:43.000 you

00:29:43.360 have

00:29:43.560 to

00:29:43.680 get rid

00:29:43.920 of

00:29:44.000 the

00:29:44.140 institutions

00:29:44.860 and

00:29:45.240 what

00:29:45.460 underpins

00:29:46.140 those

00:29:46.840 institutions

00:29:47.500 which

00:29:47.800 is

00:29:47.960 Christianity

00:29:48.520 to

00:29:49.780 start

00:29:50.160 fresh

00:29:50.660 so

00:29:51.120 they

00:29:51.240 have

00:29:51.520 to

00:29:51.700 focus

00:29:52.120 on

00:29:52.440 trying

00:29:52.760 to

00:29:52.980 sour

00:29:53.320 the

00:29:53.540 sentiment

00:29:53.880 of

00:29:54.140 the

00:29:54.280 American

00:29:54.640 people

00:29:55.160 by

00:29:55.680 bashing

00:29:56.200 our

00:29:56.520 heroes

00:29:56.960 Jefferson

00:29:57.520 Washington

00:29:58.360 those

00:29:58.700 are

00:29:58.880 heroes

00:29:59.240 they

00:29:59.480 should

00:29:59.680 be

00:29:59.840 revered

00:30:00.380 and

00:30:01.500 they

00:30:01.880 are

00:30:02.040 going

00:30:02.240 to

00:30:02.420 do

00:30:02.580 this

00:30:02.740 I'm

00:30:02.860 actually

00:30:03.080 really

00:30:03.360 upset

00:30:03.660 that

00:30:03.840 we're

00:30:04.040 coming

00:30:04.580 into

00:30:04.800 250

00:30:05.240 and

00:30:05.520 I'm

00:30:05.660 not

00:30:05.840 feeling

00:30:06.120 as

00:30:06.300 patriotic

00:30:06.840 as

00:30:07.000 I

00:30:07.100 should

00:30:07.260 be

00:30:07.420 because

00:30:07.660 there

00:30:07.820 are

00:30:07.920 so

00:30:08.120 many

00:30:08.300 people

00:30:08.680 that

00:30:09.160 are

00:30:09.260 trying

00:30:09.520 to

00:30:09.700 tear

00:30:09.880 down

00:30:10.060 the

00:30:10.200 legacy

00:30:10.460 of

00:30:10.640 our

00:30:10.760 founders

00:30:11.040 because

00:30:11.320 they

00:30:21.120 in

00:30:21.240 America

00:30:21.700 200

00:30:22.340 but

00:30:22.920 for

00:30:23.120 those

00:30:23.360 of

00:30:23.480 you

00:30:23.600 out

00:30:23.780 there

00:30:24.000 that

00:30:24.300 remember

00:30:24.720 1976

00:30:25.780 it

00:30:26.740 seems

00:30:26.980 like

00:30:27.160 there

00:30:27.340 was

00:30:27.620 a

00:30:27.800 profound

00:30:28.200 national

00:30:28.700 spirit

00:30:29.100 of

00:30:29.260 optimism

00:30:29.700 that

00:30:30.020 came

00:30:30.240 out

00:30:30.400 of

00:30:30.480 that

00:30:30.620 200th

00:30:31.160 birthday

00:30:31.440 celebration

00:30:32.060 are

00:30:32.680 you

00:30:32.880 optimistic

00:30:33.340 that

00:30:33.620 next

00:30:33.860 year

00:30:34.060 we

00:30:34.220 can

00:30:34.380 have

00:30:34.680 something

00:30:35.040 similar

00:30:35.500 on

00:30:35.820 America

00:30:36.180 250

00:30:36.620 or

00:30:37.300 do

00:30:37.420 you

00:30:37.520 think

00:30:37.700 the

00:30:37.820 Nicole

00:30:38.060 Hannah

00:30:38.320 Joneses

00:30:38.840 of

00:30:39.000 the

00:30:39.140 world

00:30:39.440 and

00:30:39.640 the

00:30:39.780 1619

00:30:40.440 project

00:30:40.940 have

00:30:41.600 been

00:30:41.800 so

00:30:42.060 successful

00:30:42.580 in

00:30:42.900 tearing

00:30:43.220 down

00:30:43.800 American

00:30:44.420 history

00:30:44.840 that

00:30:45.320 it's

00:30:45.460 impossible

00:30:45.900 to

00:30:46.140 bring

00:30:46.360 everybody

00:30:46.700 together

00:30:47.160 I

00:30:48.240 think

00:30:48.420 the

00:30:48.580 Overton

00:30:48.900 window

00:30:49.160 is

00:30:49.340 shifting

00:30:49.580 and

00:30:49.820 I'm

00:30:49.980 glad

00:30:50.180 that

00:30:50.400 President

00:30:50.720 Trump

00:30:51.020 is

00:30:51.160 in

00:30:51.280 office

00:30:51.520 I

00:30:51.840 would

00:30:52.000 like

00:30:52.160 to

00:30:52.280 see

00:30:52.440 some

00:30:52.640 changes

00:30:52.980 to

00:30:53.260 the

00:30:53.420 board

00:30:54.320 running

00:30:54.680 the

00:30:54.860 250

00:30:55.400 celebrations

00:30:56.060 because

00:30:56.440 this

00:30:56.720 is

00:30:56.840 a

00:30:56.960 time

00:30:57.320 to

00:30:57.980 honor

00:30:58.400 the

00:30:58.700 founders

00:30:59.020 and

00:30:59.260 I

00:30:59.340 say

00:30:59.620 this

00:30:59.920 as

00:31:00.120 someone

00:31:00.460 who

00:31:00.860 I'm

00:31:01.500 related

00:31:01.780 to

00:31:02.040 Declaration

00:31:02.480 of

00:31:02.680 Independence

00:31:03.100 Day

00:31:03.260 signers

00:31:03.640 my

00:31:04.180 two

00:31:04.520 sixth

00:31:04.780 grade

00:31:04.960 grand

00:31:05.160 uncles

00:31:05.440 were

00:31:05.700 militiamen

00:31:06.380 in

00:31:06.540 the

00:31:06.660 battles

00:31:06.900 of

00:31:07.040 Lexington

00:31:07.380 and

00:31:07.540 Concord

00:31:07.840 my

00:31:08.040 family

00:31:08.480 fought

00:31:09.160 this

00:31:09.360 they

00:31:09.520 lived

00:31:09.820 this

00:31:10.140 and

00:31:10.500 honoring

00:31:10.760 their

00:31:10.960 legacy

00:31:11.300 and

00:31:11.780 everyone

00:31:12.020 else's

00:31:12.380 legacy

00:31:12.640 it's

00:31:12.920 so

00:31:13.080 important

00:31:13.420 to

00:31:13.620 me

00:31:13.760 because

00:31:14.040 without

00:31:14.380 their

00:31:14.740 sacrifices

00:31:15.360 you and

00:31:16.040 I

00:31:16.120 wouldn't

00:31:16.240 be

00:31:16.380 speaking

00:31:16.640 today

00:31:16.960 Brianna

00:31:18.440 how can

00:31:18.740 people

00:31:18.960 find

00:31:19.320 you

00:31:19.540 if

00:31:19.720 they

00:31:19.880 want

00:31:20.140 to

00:31:20.300 see

00:31:20.520 your

00:31:20.700 content

00:31:21.120 and

00:31:21.680 or

00:31:22.100 maybe

00:31:22.680 they

00:31:22.820 got

00:31:23.020 kids

00:31:23.320 and

00:31:23.500 grandkids

00:31:24.040 out

00:31:24.280 there

00:31:24.500 that

00:31:24.680 are

00:31:24.820 in

00:31:25.060 your

00:31:25.300 age

00:31:25.700 bracket

00:31:26.140 and

00:31:26.320 maybe

00:31:26.480 they're

00:31:26.660 more

00:31:26.880 likely

00:31:27.260 to

00:31:27.540 respond

00:31:28.060 in

00:31:28.200 a

00:31:28.300 positive

00:31:28.660 way

00:31:28.960 to

00:31:29.100 somebody

00:31:29.380 their

00:31:29.620 own

00:31:29.900 age

00:31:30.200 than

00:31:30.520 people

00:31:30.940 their

00:31:31.280 age

00:31:31.620 I'm

00:31:32.940 trying

00:31:33.120 to be

00:31:33.360 a

00:31:33.560 patriot

00:31:33.960 maxing

00:31:34.500 so

00:31:34.780 you

00:31:34.980 can

00:31:35.140 find

00:31:35.380 me

00:31:35.580 on

00:31:35.800 twitter

00:31:36.100 at

00:31:36.440 brianna

00:31:36.760 lyman

00:31:37.080 2

00:31:37.420 or

00:31:37.800 instagram

00:31:38.340 brianna

00:31:38.900 dot

00:31:39.140 lyman

00:31:39.480 awesome

00:31:40.640 hey

00:31:40.940 we

00:31:41.080 appreciate

00:31:41.380 the

00:31:41.560 time

00:31:41.780 have

00:31:41.940 a

00:31:42.020 good

00:31:42.140 Christmas

00:31:42.540 and

00:31:43.160 thanks

00:31:43.900 for

00:31:44.060 fighting

00:31:44.340 the

00:31:44.540 good

00:31:44.720 fight

00:31:44.980 I

00:31:45.100 saw

00:31:45.540 you

00:31:45.760 fighting

00:31:46.260 history

00:31:46.700 battles

00:31:47.120 on

00:31:47.440 social

00:31:47.820 media

00:31:48.160 which

00:31:48.420 I

00:31:48.580 almost

00:31:48.800 never

00:31:49.120 see

00:31:49.380 anybody

00:31:49.700 else

00:31:49.980 doing

00:31:50.320 and

00:31:50.740 I

00:31:50.820 wanted

00:31:50.960 to

00:31:51.060 make

00:31:51.180 sure

00:31:51.340 you

00:31:51.440 got

00:31:51.580 a

00:31:51.700 chance

00:31:51.960 to

00:31:52.260 talk

00:31:52.760 with

00:31:52.940 you

00:31:53.040 thank

00:31:53.260 you

00:31:54.060 Merry

00:31:54.620 Christmas

00:31:54.900 thanks

00:31:55.200 so

00:31:55.380 much

00:31:55.660 that's

00:31:56.580 brianna

00:31:56.940 lyman

00:31:57.360 that's

00:31:57.800 fantastic

00:31:58.280 I mean

00:31:58.680 history

00:31:59.500 nerding

00:31:59.880 out

00:32:00.200 I mean

00:32:00.540 again

00:32:01.100 when I

00:32:01.380 see

00:32:01.560 somebody

00:32:01.880 defending

00:32:02.740 she's

00:32:03.240 27

00:32:03.780 the

00:32:04.240 historic

00:32:04.660 legacy

00:32:05.040 of

00:32:05.280 Robert

00:32:05.540 E.

00:32:05.780 Lee

00:32:05.940 I'm

00:32:06.620 like

00:32:06.760 wow

00:32:07.160 maybe

00:32:07.660 there

00:32:07.860 are

00:32:08.080 some

00:32:08.360 people

00:32:08.620 out

00:32:08.840 there

00:32:09.040 in

00:32:09.180 their

00:32:09.340 20s

00:32:09.860 that

00:32:10.020 actually

00:32:10.460 do

00:32:10.760 have

00:32:11.140 knowledge

00:32:11.820 about

00:32:12.160 American

00:32:12.600 history

00:32:12.980 makes

00:32:13.200 me

00:32:13.320 a

00:32:13.460 little

00:32:13.540 bit

00:32:13.660 more

00:32:13.800 optimistic

00:32:14.220 I've

00:32:14.900 got

00:32:15.060 a

00:32:15.220 winner

00:32:15.400 for

00:32:15.600 you

00:32:15.740 tonight

00:32:16.060 Thursday

00:32:16.440 night

00:32:16.660 football

00:32:17.000 Matthew

00:32:18.020 Stafford

00:32:18.580 Sam

00:32:19.120 Darnold

00:32:19.560 the Rams

00:32:20.240 going up

00:32:20.720 against

00:32:21.100 the Seahawks

00:32:21.800 each of

00:32:22.600 these guys

00:32:23.240 to throw

00:32:24.160 one and a

00:32:25.480 half

00:32:25.840 more

00:32:26.660 than one

00:32:27.360 and a

00:32:27.540 half

00:32:27.680 touchdown

00:32:28.060 passes

00:32:28.500 if you

00:32:29.020 go to

00:32:29.280 prizepicks.com

00:32:30.200 you go to

00:32:30.760 the prizepicks

00:32:31.340 app

00:32:31.640 use my

00:32:32.140 name

00:32:32.340 Clay

00:32:32.760 C-L-A-Y

00:32:33.920 you can

00:32:34.660 get hooked

00:32:35.060 up

00:32:35.360 3.5

00:32:36.760 X

00:32:37.220 is what

00:32:37.720 that pays

00:32:38.220 off

00:32:38.500 you're just

00:32:39.240 watching

00:32:39.720 Thursday

00:32:40.400 night

00:32:40.660 football

00:32:40.980 tonight

00:32:41.380 as many

00:32:41.880 of us

00:32:42.200 myself

00:32:42.520 included

00:32:43.040 will be

00:32:43.620 great

00:32:44.260 matchup

00:32:44.780 in the

00:32:45.040 NFC

00:32:45.460 West

00:32:45.840 the Rams

00:32:46.680 going up

00:32:47.220 against

00:32:47.820 the Seahawks

00:32:48.600 if each

00:32:49.360 of these

00:32:49.640 quarterbacks

00:32:50.200 throws

00:32:50.780 they got

00:32:51.080 to throw

00:32:51.380 it

00:32:51.520 one and a

00:32:51.940 half

00:32:52.060 touchdowns

00:32:52.580 or more

00:32:52.960 then you

00:32:53.620 will get

00:32:53.980 3.5

00:32:54.760 X

00:32:55.000 you can

00:32:55.300 play

00:32:55.520 $5

00:32:55.840 right now

00:32:56.700 and you

00:32:57.340 will get

00:32:57.800 $50

00:32:58.520 you play

00:32:59.600 $5

00:33:00.060 you get

00:33:00.900 $50

00:33:01.360 deposited

00:33:02.240 in your

00:33:02.760 account

00:33:03.140 that is

00:33:03.680 prizepicks.com

00:33:04.760 code

00:33:05.080 Clay

00:33:05.420 prizepicks

00:33:06.020 app

00:33:06.300 you can

00:33:06.540 play in

00:33:06.840 California

00:33:07.300 Texas

00:33:07.760 Georgia

00:33:08.180 if you're

00:33:08.860 feeling

00:33:09.100 left out

00:33:09.660 13 million

00:33:10.500 people playing

00:33:11.220 40 states

00:33:12.260 prizepicks

00:33:12.940 code

00:33:13.480 C-L-A-Y

00:33:15.300 you ain't

00:33:16.040 imagining it

00:33:16.860 the world

00:33:18.200 has gone

00:33:18.880 insane

00:33:19.400 we claim

00:33:20.680 your sanity

00:33:21.360 with Clay

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00:33:29.480 Travis

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00:33:55.180 we can

00:33:55.800 there

00:33:56.440 a lot of

00:33:57.020 different stories

00:33:57.860 that we are

00:33:58.740 tracking

00:33:59.180 more video

00:34:01.040 footage

00:34:01.600 surrounding the

00:34:02.920 Brown University

00:34:03.920 shooter

00:34:04.440 it's now been

00:34:05.120 six days

00:34:06.260 I believe

00:34:07.540 as we come up

00:34:08.320 on six days

00:34:09.740 since that

00:34:10.420 shooting

00:34:10.780 occurred

00:34:11.380 no one

00:34:12.360 has been

00:34:13.480 arrested

00:34:14.040 we have been

00:34:14.500 reacting to

00:34:15.340 very positive

00:34:16.460 story

00:34:17.060 if you missed

00:34:18.000 it earlier

00:34:18.420 this morning

00:34:19.060 inflation

00:34:19.600 came in

00:34:20.240 lower than

00:34:20.880 expected

00:34:21.420 2.7%

00:34:23.280 the lowest

00:34:24.140 level of

00:34:25.320 inflation

00:34:25.880 since the

00:34:26.540 spring of

00:34:27.060 2021

00:34:27.760 when Joe

00:34:28.860 Biden came

00:34:29.460 into office

00:34:30.140 2.6%

00:34:31.600 core inflation

00:34:33.080 level

00:34:33.900 the Fed's

00:34:34.860 goal is

00:34:35.460 2%

00:34:36.180 if you

00:34:37.040 want to

00:34:38.000 nerd out

00:34:38.920 on

00:34:39.480 economic

00:34:40.320 related

00:34:40.980 analysis

00:34:41.700 we spent

00:34:42.340 a lot

00:34:42.860 of the

00:34:43.280 opening

00:34:43.680 of the

00:34:44.160 first hour

00:34:44.840 discussing

00:34:45.740 how this

00:34:46.720 interest

00:34:47.260 how interest

00:34:48.360 rates are

00:34:48.980 impacted

00:34:49.520 in an

00:34:50.580 inflation

00:34:51.060 environment

00:34:51.840 and why

00:34:53.120 I am so

00:34:53.900 optimistic

00:34:54.380 as we head

00:34:55.100 into

00:34:55.340 2026

00:34:56.060 about the

00:34:56.700 overall

00:34:57.120 trajectory

00:34:57.700 of the

00:34:58.360 economy

00:34:58.740 we discussed

00:34:59.660 President

00:35:00.140 Trump's

00:35:00.660 address

00:35:01.100 last night

00:35:01.700 from the

00:35:02.860 White House

00:35:03.440 at 9pm

00:35:04.540 Eastern

00:35:05.000 that was

00:35:05.680 carried

00:35:06.060 President

00:35:06.580 Trump

00:35:06.980 right now

00:35:07.640 is signing

00:35:08.540 an executive

00:35:09.220 order

00:35:09.800 easing

00:35:10.400 restrictions

00:35:11.100 on

00:35:12.060 marijuana

00:35:12.800 he is

00:35:13.600 now

00:35:13.800 taking

00:35:14.200 questions

00:35:14.880 from

00:35:15.700 the

00:35:16.300 press

00:35:17.480 that is

00:35:17.840 assembled

00:35:18.220 in the

00:35:18.740 Oval Office

00:35:19.340 he is

00:35:19.720 seated

00:35:19.940 at the

00:35:20.400 Resolute

00:35:20.860 desk

00:35:21.200 we will

00:35:21.820 be

00:35:22.020 monitoring

00:35:22.520 that

00:35:23.120 with

00:35:23.400 all

00:35:23.740 of

00:35:23.920 you

00:35:24.180 to

00:35:24.400 make

00:35:24.600 sure

00:35:24.980 that

00:35:25.700 we

00:35:25.880 are

00:35:26.040 on

00:35:26.220 top

00:35:26.480 of

00:35:26.620 anything

00:35:26.880 that

00:35:27.220 he

00:35:27.360 says

00:35:27.780 there

00:35:28.280 now

00:35:28.760 a

00:35:29.600 bit

00:35:29.800 of

00:35:29.940 other

00:35:30.200 news

00:35:30.660 the

00:35:31.120 Trump

00:35:31.580 Kennedy

00:35:32.040 Center

00:35:32.480 is

00:35:33.180 now

00:35:33.420 a

00:35:33.600 thing

00:35:33.900 we'll

00:35:34.700 see

00:35:34.900 whether or

00:35:35.320 not

00:35:35.500 this name

00:35:35.960 sticks

00:35:36.460 when there

00:35:37.180 are new

00:35:37.640 administrations

00:35:38.460 that potentially

00:35:39.160 come in

00:35:39.800 but the

00:35:40.700 Kennedy Center

00:35:41.400 has voted

00:35:42.460 to rename

00:35:43.340 itself

00:35:43.920 the

00:35:44.440 Trump

00:35:44.980 Kennedy

00:35:45.560 Center

00:35:46.040 and

00:35:47.360 that is

00:35:49.000 becoming

00:35:49.860 the new

00:35:51.240 name there

00:35:51.860 in the

00:35:52.320 wake of

00:35:53.040 the

00:35:53.420 amount of

00:35:54.680 interest

00:35:54.980 that

00:35:55.240 President

00:35:55.720 Trump

00:35:56.120 has

00:35:56.640 given

00:35:57.220 to the

00:35:57.880 Kennedy

00:35:58.140 Center

00:35:58.580 overall

00:35:59.080 again

00:35:59.520 they have

00:35:59.960 renamed

00:36:00.380 it

00:36:00.660 Daily

00:36:02.360 Mail

00:36:02.720 reporting

00:36:03.280 I

00:36:03.640 mentioned

00:36:04.040 that

00:36:04.580 this

00:36:04.940 was

00:36:05.440 a

00:36:06.000 story

00:36:07.080 that

00:36:07.360 we

00:36:07.500 were

00:36:07.680 following

00:36:08.180 a

00:36:09.000 private

00:36:10.340 plane

00:36:11.120 crashed

00:36:12.020 in

00:36:12.900 North

00:36:14.220 Carolina

00:36:14.940 with

00:36:15.680 several

00:36:16.200 people

00:36:16.820 on

00:36:17.300 it

00:36:17.580 and

00:36:19.000 the

00:36:19.280 Daily

00:36:19.600 Mail

00:36:19.940 is

00:36:20.340 now

00:36:20.600 reporting

00:36:21.140 that

00:36:22.100 NASCAR

00:36:23.260 legend

00:36:23.880 Greg

00:36:24.380 Biffle

00:36:24.940 died

00:36:26.260 in that

00:36:27.160 plane

00:36:27.540 crash

00:36:27.980 and

00:36:29.000 they

00:36:29.140 are

00:36:29.320 citing

00:36:29.700 one

00:36:30.080 of

00:36:30.220 his

00:36:30.400 best

00:36:30.780 friends

00:36:31.460 saying

00:36:32.700 that

00:36:33.140 the

00:36:33.500 55

00:36:33.940 year

00:36:34.340 old

00:36:34.640 NASCAR

00:36:35.220 legend

00:36:35.700 the

00:36:36.560 plane

00:36:36.960 was

00:36:37.140 on

00:36:37.300 its

00:36:37.440 way

00:36:37.660 to

00:36:37.820 Sarasota

00:36:38.340 Florida

00:36:38.800 according

00:36:40.220 to

00:36:40.680 this

00:36:41.240 report

00:36:41.660 it

00:36:41.940 crashed

00:36:42.360 about

00:36:42.600 45

00:36:43.060 minutes

00:36:43.600 from

00:36:44.420 Charlotte

00:36:46.200 and

00:36:47.300 Garrett

00:36:47.980 Mitchell

00:36:48.540 one

00:36:49.220 of

00:36:49.420 Biffle's

00:36:49.880 friends

00:36:50.420 said

00:36:51.320 unfortunately

00:36:52.000 I can

00:36:52.960 confirm

00:36:53.520 Greg

00:36:53.900 Biffle

00:36:54.360 his

00:36:54.920 wife

00:36:55.260 Christina

00:36:55.840 and

00:36:56.520 son

00:36:56.880 Ryder

00:36:57.360 were

00:36:57.620 on

00:36:57.900 that

00:36:58.120 plane

00:36:58.580 they

00:36:59.080 were

00:36:59.260 on

00:36:59.540 the

00:36:59.660 way

00:36:59.900 to

00:37:00.120 spend

00:37:00.400 the

00:37:00.620 afternoon

00:37:01.260 with

00:37:01.840 us

00:37:02.420 Mitchell

00:37:03.980 according

00:37:04.640 to

00:37:04.860 Daily

00:37:05.140 Mail

00:37:05.480 often

00:37:06.060 appears

00:37:06.700 in

00:37:07.040 YouTube

00:37:07.360 videos

00:37:07.900 with

00:37:08.140 Biffle

00:37:08.520 he

00:37:09.320 wrote

00:37:09.580 this

00:37:09.840 on

00:37:10.060 Facebook

00:37:10.500 we're

00:37:10.920 devastated

00:37:11.580 I'm

00:37:12.260 so

00:37:12.560 sorry

00:37:13.020 to

00:37:13.280 share

00:37:13.620 this

00:37:14.000 he

00:37:14.980 also

00:37:15.260 said

00:37:15.540 he

00:37:15.660 was

00:37:15.800 not

00:37:16.060 sure

00:37:16.420 who

00:37:17.420 else

00:37:17.840 was

00:37:18.320 potentially

00:37:18.940 on

00:37:19.520 that

00:37:19.860 plane

00:37:20.380 a

00:37:20.740 Cessna

00:37:21.200 C

00:37:21.720 550

00:37:22.400 according

00:37:23.640 to

00:37:23.980 the

00:37:24.200 FAA

00:37:24.660 so

00:37:25.720 that

00:37:26.600 is

00:37:26.820 a

00:37:27.200 awful

00:37:28.280 story

00:37:28.760 out

00:37:29.000 there

00:37:29.180 for

00:37:29.340 those

00:37:29.520 of

00:37:29.660 you

00:37:29.760 that

00:37:29.920 are

00:37:30.040 NASCAR

00:37:30.480 fans

00:37:30.980 Greg

00:37:31.680 Biffle

00:37:32.040 very

00:37:32.420 famous

00:37:33.080 and

00:37:33.380 well

00:37:33.600 known

00:37:34.000 race

00:37:35.560 car

00:37:35.780 driver

00:37:36.220 in

00:37:37.100 the

00:37:37.280 NASCAR

00:37:37.700 world

00:37:38.200 again

00:37:38.580 reportedly

00:37:39.100 dying

00:37:39.540 according

00:37:39.860 to

00:37:40.160 one

00:37:40.380 of

00:37:40.500 his

00:37:40.660 best

00:37:40.900 friends

00:37:41.340 as

00:37:41.680 reported

00:37:42.080 by

00:37:42.520 the

00:37:43.100 Daily

00:37:43.420 Mail

00:37:43.760 okay

00:37:45.200 let's

00:37:46.820 see

00:37:46.980 another

00:37:47.580 story

00:37:48.080 that

00:37:48.300 is

00:37:48.440 out

00:37:48.660 there

00:37:48.920 that

00:37:49.340 I

00:37:49.920 think

00:37:50.240 is

00:37:50.660 is

00:37:51.140 getting

00:37:51.580 maybe

00:37:52.860 not

00:37:53.140 as

00:37:53.300 much

00:37:53.520 attention

00:37:53.880 as

00:37:54.140 it

00:37:54.300 should

00:37:54.620 I

00:37:54.800 was

00:37:54.960 texting

00:37:55.300 with

00:37:55.520 producer

00:37:55.860 Allie

00:37:56.260 about

00:37:56.520 this

00:37:56.880 last

00:37:57.520 night

00:37:57.880 and

00:37:58.820 the

00:37:59.820 Brown

00:38:00.360 University

00:38:00.980 shooting

00:38:01.600 certainly

00:38:02.240 killed

00:38:02.700 two

00:38:02.920 people

00:38:03.320 this

00:38:04.520 shooting

00:38:05.000 at

00:38:05.340 MIT

00:38:05.820 a

00:38:07.060 professor

00:38:07.640 at

00:38:07.900 MIT

00:38:08.300 was

00:38:08.920 assassinated

00:38:09.760 two

00:38:10.080 days

00:38:10.360 later

00:38:10.800 unknown

00:38:12.060 assailant

00:38:12.760 fatally

00:38:13.340 shot

00:38:13.840 MIT

00:38:14.340 professor

00:38:15.120 Nuno

00:38:15.700 Lauro

00:38:16.720 and I'm

00:38:17.060 probably

00:38:17.420 mispronouncing

00:38:18.160 his name

00:38:18.780 inside

00:38:19.640 his

00:38:20.040 Boston

00:38:20.480 home

00:38:21.020 about

00:38:22.100 50

00:38:22.500 miles

00:38:22.940 away

00:38:23.540 from

00:38:24.240 that

00:38:24.500 other

00:38:24.840 shooting

00:38:25.320 the

00:38:26.560 FBI

00:38:26.960 agent

00:38:27.520 says

00:38:27.880 they

00:38:28.060 don't

00:38:28.280 think

00:38:28.520 there's

00:38:28.840 a

00:38:28.940 connection

00:38:29.340 but

00:38:30.260 other

00:38:30.620 people

00:38:30.980 are

00:38:31.220 saying

00:38:31.560 is

00:38:31.920 there

00:38:32.120 a

00:38:32.260 connection

00:38:32.580 here

00:38:33.000 and

00:38:33.860 the

00:38:34.500 idea

00:38:36.540 that

00:38:37.160 a

00:38:38.080 MIT

00:38:39.980 professor

00:38:40.740 who

00:38:41.120 was

00:38:41.400 an

00:38:41.620 expert

00:38:42.160 in

00:38:42.680 nuclear

00:38:43.340 weaponry

00:38:44.260 would

00:38:45.140 be

00:38:45.440 killed

00:38:45.800 like

00:38:46.140 this

00:38:46.580 is

00:38:47.260 it's

00:38:48.180 a

00:38:48.340 story

00:38:48.660 that

00:38:49.040 I

00:38:49.720 think

00:38:49.960 should

00:38:50.140 get

00:38:50.300 a

00:38:50.400 lot

00:38:50.540 of

00:38:50.640 attention

00:38:50.940 he

00:38:51.220 is

00:38:51.420 a

00:38:51.700 theoretical

00:38:52.280 physicist

00:38:52.880 and

00:38:53.360 fusion

00:38:53.920 scientist

00:38:54.700 that

00:38:56.020 has

00:38:56.420 specializes

00:38:57.200 in

00:38:57.480 nuclear

00:38:57.840 science

00:38:58.500 engineering

00:38:59.460 and

00:39:00.020 physics

00:39:00.560 and

00:39:01.600 there

00:39:02.040 are

00:39:02.440 a

00:39:02.800 lot

00:39:03.060 of

00:39:03.300 discussions

00:39:03.820 about

00:39:04.160 how

00:39:04.420 is

00:39:04.580 this

00:39:04.780 47

00:39:05.240 year

00:39:05.700 old

00:39:06.080 dad

00:39:06.800 of

00:39:07.000 three

00:39:07.540 just

00:39:08.200 getting

00:39:08.480 killed

00:39:09.100 MIT

00:39:09.860 professor

00:39:10.500 with

00:39:10.980 nuclear

00:39:11.560 weapons

00:39:12.440 training

00:39:13.360 background

00:39:14.240 is there

00:39:15.640 something

00:39:15.940 more to

00:39:16.440 this

00:39:16.820 again

00:39:17.600 that

00:39:17.900 happened

00:39:18.320 here

00:39:18.720 recently

00:39:19.160 so

00:39:19.460 all

00:39:19.840 of

00:39:20.020 those

00:39:20.240 stories

00:39:20.780 being

00:39:21.960 discussed

00:39:22.460 by the

00:39:22.780 way

00:39:22.880 we're

00:39:23.020 going

00:39:23.100 to

00:39:23.200 talk

00:39:23.420 with

00:39:23.580 Jonathan

00:39:23.880 Alpert

00:39:24.260 at

00:39:24.420 the

00:39:24.520 bottom

00:39:24.740 of the

00:39:25.040 hour

00:39:25.320 about

00:39:26.020 how

00:39:26.200 to

00:39:26.360 handle

00:39:26.740 friends

00:39:27.740 and

00:39:27.960 family

00:39:28.280 who

00:39:28.480 may

00:39:28.640 have

00:39:28.900 Trump

00:39:29.300 derangement

00:39:30.100 syndrome

00:39:30.580 as

00:39:31.720 the

00:39:32.060 holidays

00:39:32.420 are

00:39:32.880 now

00:39:33.260 upon

00:39:33.700 us

00:39:34.000 but

00:39:35.300 I

00:39:35.420 also

00:39:35.700 wanted

00:39:35.960 to

00:39:36.200 play

00:39:36.640 this

00:39:37.200 for

00:39:37.520 you

00:39:37.980 Piers

00:39:38.960 Morgan

00:39:39.280 had

00:39:40.000 Candace

00:39:40.600 Owens

00:39:41.160 on his

00:39:41.840 program

00:39:42.280 we haven't

00:39:42.660 spent a lot

00:39:43.020 of time

00:39:43.340 talking about

00:39:43.920 this

00:39:44.260 but

00:39:44.960 Candace

00:39:45.360 Owens

00:39:45.760 has been

00:39:46.540 chasing

00:39:47.420 the

00:39:48.140 allegations

00:39:49.660 or

00:39:50.560 conspiracies

00:39:51.640 she's been

00:39:52.080 arguing

00:39:52.500 that

00:39:52.760 somebody

00:39:53.160 other

00:39:53.560 than

00:39:54.120 this

00:39:54.820 crazy

00:39:55.300 guy

00:39:55.720 killed

00:39:56.220 Charlie

00:39:56.700 Kirk

00:39:57.180 and

00:39:58.060 Pierce

00:39:58.480 Morgan

00:39:58.880 pressed

00:39:59.600 her

00:39:59.860 on

00:40:00.180 that

00:40:00.540 and

00:40:01.340 this

00:40:01.600 is

00:40:01.900 what

00:40:02.160 that

00:40:02.460 sounded

00:40:02.820 like

00:40:03.240 in

00:40:03.540 their

00:40:03.780 conversation

00:40:04.540 listen

00:40:04.960 there is

00:40:05.660 specifically

00:40:06.260 two people

00:40:07.520 at

00:40:07.740 Turning Point

00:40:08.120 USA

00:40:08.420 and I

00:40:09.360 have

00:40:09.500 communicated

00:40:10.000 that

00:40:10.700 information

00:40:11.120 to

00:40:11.480 Erica

00:40:11.820 and

00:40:12.200 Justin

00:40:12.380 Strife

00:40:12.760 that I

00:40:13.460 would

00:40:13.660 not be

00:40:14.140 surprised

00:40:14.640 if they

00:40:15.040 had

00:40:15.220 foreknowledge

00:40:15.760 of Charlie

00:40:16.140 Kirk

00:40:16.380 being

00:40:16.580 assassinated

00:40:17.060 but

00:40:17.300 you

00:40:17.400 have

00:40:17.520 any

00:40:17.680 evidence

00:40:17.920 I

00:40:19.200 am

00:40:19.880 not

00:40:20.100 going

00:40:20.320 to

00:40:20.520 name

00:40:20.800 those

00:40:21.060 people

00:40:21.440 because

00:40:22.440 it's

00:40:22.940 not

00:40:23.100 right

00:40:23.360 for me

00:40:23.660 to

00:40:23.780 name

00:40:23.920 those

00:40:24.080 people

00:40:24.280 until

00:40:24.520 I

00:40:24.680 know

00:40:25.000 for

00:40:25.200 a

00:40:25.320 fact

00:40:25.500 that

00:40:25.640 they

00:40:25.720 did

00:40:25.920 you

00:40:25.980 give

00:40:26.120 the

00:40:26.260 names

00:40:26.500 to

00:40:27.840 Erica

00:40:28.060 yes

00:40:28.440 I

00:40:29.400 absolutely

00:40:29.820 did

00:40:30.060 you

00:40:30.320 gave

00:40:30.600 the

00:40:30.760 names

00:40:31.020 to

00:40:31.160 Erica

00:40:31.360 of

00:40:31.560 two

00:40:31.780 employees

00:40:32.480 current

00:40:32.880 employees

00:40:33.420 at

00:40:33.620 Turning

00:40:33.840 Point

00:40:34.140 who

00:40:34.600 you

00:40:34.820 believe

00:40:35.360 were

00:40:36.080 involved

00:40:36.540 in

00:40:36.780 the

00:40:36.900 preparation

00:40:37.360 for

00:40:37.600 the

00:40:37.740 murder

00:40:37.980 of

00:40:38.120 Charlie

00:40:38.380 Kirk

00:40:38.660 is

00:40:38.800 that

00:40:38.860 what

00:40:38.920 you're

00:40:39.020 saying

00:40:39.220 I

00:40:39.940 told

00:40:40.640 them

00:40:41.020 that

00:40:47.920 prior

00:40:48.180 knowledge

00:40:48.520 of

00:40:48.680 the

00:40:48.800 murder

00:40:49.080 because

00:40:50.280 I

00:40:50.520 don't

00:40:50.860 have

00:40:51.380 concrete

00:40:51.880 evidence

00:40:52.280 is the

00:40:52.540 reason

00:40:52.740 why I'm

00:40:53.040 not

00:40:53.180 naming

00:40:53.440 them

00:40:53.720 I

00:40:55.100 mean

00:40:55.240 this

00:40:55.420 is

00:40:55.560 crazy

00:40:55.960 this

00:40:56.980 is

00:40:57.200 why

00:40:57.600 I

00:40:57.920 give

00:40:58.160 credit

00:40:58.640 and

00:40:59.060 I

00:40:59.360 am

00:40:59.900 optimistic

00:41:01.220 that

00:41:01.820 when

00:41:02.260 this

00:41:02.660 trial

00:41:03.240 takes

00:41:03.660 place

00:41:04.240 that

00:41:04.960 we

00:41:05.160 are

00:41:05.360 going

00:41:05.640 to

00:41:05.860 be

00:41:06.040 able

00:41:06.400 to

00:41:06.920 hear

00:41:07.640 more

00:41:08.080 and

00:41:08.460 see

00:41:08.820 more

00:41:09.200 of

00:41:10.300 what

00:41:10.560 motivated

00:41:11.200 this

00:41:11.920 assassin

00:41:12.800 and

00:41:13.480 the

00:41:13.800 Washington

00:41:14.140 Post

00:41:14.500 had

00:41:14.760 a

00:41:14.960 story

00:41:15.480 that

00:41:16.080 was

00:41:16.280 out

00:41:16.620 that

00:41:16.820 I

00:41:16.980 thought

00:41:17.240 was

00:41:17.600 significant

00:41:18.120 and

00:41:18.600 worthy

00:41:18.980 of

00:41:19.600 discussing

00:41:20.260 the

00:41:21.620 Washington

00:41:21.940 let me

00:41:22.200 read

00:41:22.560 some

00:41:22.800 of

00:41:23.020 this

00:41:23.280 this

00:41:23.700 Tyler

00:41:24.060 Robinson

00:41:24.680 this

00:41:25.400 far

00:41:25.760 left

00:41:26.060 wing

00:41:26.360 activist

00:41:26.920 who

00:41:27.360 killed

00:41:27.740 Charlie

00:41:28.200 Kirk

00:41:28.540 based

00:41:28.900 on

00:41:29.080 all

00:41:29.320 the

00:41:29.520 evidence

00:41:30.040 and

00:41:31.860 this

00:41:32.080 is

00:41:32.220 the

00:41:32.380 Washington

00:41:32.700 Post

00:41:33.000 profile

00:41:33.660 that

00:41:33.980 they

00:41:34.180 did

00:41:34.560 surrounding

00:41:35.160 this

00:41:35.700 alleged

00:41:36.280 assassin

00:41:36.780 who

00:41:37.020 will

00:41:37.200 be

00:41:37.440 standing

00:41:38.220 trial

00:41:38.680 soon

00:41:39.080 a

00:41:39.780 few

00:41:40.000 times

00:41:40.400 I'm

00:41:40.560 reading

00:41:40.760 from

00:41:40.960 the

00:41:41.100 Washington

00:41:41.460 Post

00:41:41.960 when

00:41:42.500 he

00:41:42.640 was

00:41:42.860 drunk

00:41:43.300 Robinson

00:41:43.880 would

00:41:44.280 joke

00:41:44.720 about

00:41:45.000 right

00:41:45.300 wing

00:41:45.520 politicians

00:41:46.200 saying

00:41:47.320 like

00:41:47.780 that guy

00:41:48.260 is going

00:41:48.500 to catch

00:41:48.860 a bullet

00:41:49.300 one day

00:41:50.020 no one

00:41:50.920 took it

00:41:51.360 seriously

00:41:52.080 and they

00:41:53.380 would say

00:41:53.780 he would

00:41:54.160 say it

00:41:54.660 when he

00:41:55.020 was

00:41:55.320 drinking

00:41:55.820 he

00:41:57.480 reacted

00:41:58.680 to

00:41:59.020 Trump

00:41:59.340 being

00:41:59.640 shot

00:42:00.060 by

00:42:00.460 celebratory

00:42:01.700 joke

00:42:02.180 and they

00:42:03.660 said

00:42:04.040 that

00:42:04.740 he

00:42:05.300 increasingly

00:42:06.340 and his

00:42:07.400 roommate

00:42:07.920 were angry

00:42:09.300 about

00:42:09.760 right wing

00:42:10.340 politicians

00:42:11.100 and an

00:42:11.900 anti-trans

00:42:12.920 sentiment

00:42:13.380 in

00:42:13.740 Utah

00:42:14.160 they

00:42:15.760 show

00:42:16.100 the

00:42:16.300 roommate

00:42:16.640 asked

00:42:17.140 friends

00:42:17.680 whether

00:42:18.280 they

00:42:18.520 wanted

00:42:18.820 to

00:42:19.140 attend

00:42:19.640 an

00:42:19.900 anti-Trump

00:42:20.700 protest

00:42:21.160 after

00:42:21.780 the

00:42:22.000 2024

00:42:22.520 election

00:42:23.360 the

00:42:24.380 roommate

00:42:24.880 viewed

00:42:25.300 Trump's

00:42:25.800 election

00:42:26.340 I'm reading

00:42:26.740 from the

00:42:27.120 Washington

00:42:27.420 Post

00:42:27.840 as a

00:42:28.620 loss

00:42:29.060 for

00:42:29.320 trans

00:42:29.800 rights

00:42:30.220 and was

00:42:30.920 distraught

00:42:31.720 more than

00:42:32.720 once

00:42:33.120 the person

00:42:33.720 said

00:42:34.260 he saw

00:42:35.180 Robinson

00:42:35.860 cradling

00:42:36.780 his

00:42:37.180 sobbing

00:42:37.700 roommate

00:42:38.120 in his

00:42:38.860 arms

00:42:39.460 this

00:42:40.100 is

00:42:40.340 the

00:42:40.560 trans

00:42:41.140 roommate

00:42:41.480 I

00:42:42.000 believe

00:42:42.500 this

00:42:43.580 is

00:42:43.760 the

00:42:43.940 man

00:42:44.420 who

00:42:45.000 identified

00:42:45.440 as

00:42:45.720 a

00:42:45.840 woman

00:42:46.080 I

00:42:46.360 sometimes

00:42:46.700 get

00:42:46.980 crossed

00:42:47.540 up

00:42:47.760 on

00:42:47.940 this

00:42:48.220 team

00:42:49.100 I

00:42:49.660 believe

00:42:49.960 that's

00:42:50.300 true

00:42:50.560 correct

00:42:50.920 me

00:42:51.060 if

00:42:51.180 I'm

00:42:51.300 wrong

00:42:51.580 in

00:42:52.340 February

00:42:52.820 the

00:42:53.700 roommate

00:42:54.100 was

00:42:54.960 furious

00:42:55.520 when

00:42:56.300 people

00:42:56.640 came

00:42:56.980 over

00:42:57.300 to

00:42:57.640 watch

00:42:58.240 a

00:42:58.840 basketball

00:42:59.680 game

00:43:00.100 NBA

00:43:00.620 game

00:43:01.000 according

00:43:01.820 to

00:43:02.000 people

00:43:02.240 were

00:43:02.480 there

00:43:02.800 one

00:43:03.340 of

00:43:03.460 the

00:43:03.620 visitors

00:43:04.020 said

00:43:04.520 something

00:43:04.980 about

00:43:05.340 trans

00:43:05.880 athletes

00:43:06.520 and

00:43:06.920 how

00:43:07.160 ridiculous

00:43:07.840 it

00:43:08.220 was

00:43:08.640 for

00:43:09.180 trans

00:43:09.640 athletes

00:43:10.140 to

00:43:10.340 be

00:43:10.520 competing

00:43:11.000 and

00:43:11.720 the

00:43:11.920 roommate

00:43:12.220 interrupted

00:43:12.940 him

00:43:13.400 and

00:43:13.740 shouted

00:43:14.160 repeatedly

00:43:14.940 to

00:43:15.580 shut

00:43:16.000 up

00:43:16.440 about

00:43:17.500 that

00:43:17.900 and

00:43:18.700 all

00:43:19.320 the

00:43:19.640 room

00:43:20.220 went

00:43:20.520 quiet

00:43:21.060 before

00:43:21.580 play

00:43:22.200 eventually

00:43:22.900 resumed

00:43:23.660 and

00:43:24.980 also

00:43:25.500 this

00:43:27.680 person

00:43:28.220 says

00:43:28.700 Robinson

00:43:29.580 and

00:43:30.140 the

00:43:30.320 trans

00:43:30.760 roommate

00:43:31.200 the

00:43:32.000 killer

00:43:32.360 the

00:43:32.620 alleged

00:43:32.960 assassin

00:43:33.540 would

00:43:34.500 complain

00:43:35.180 about

00:43:35.500 right-wing

00:43:36.020 figures

00:43:36.500 in the

00:43:36.840 news

00:43:37.200 including

00:43:37.740 Trump

00:43:38.280 so

00:43:39.820 again

00:43:40.420 the

00:43:41.100 motivation

00:43:41.720 here

00:43:42.200 I think

00:43:42.740 is very

00:43:43.260 clear

00:43:43.820 I also

00:43:45.300 understand

00:43:46.240 the desire

00:43:47.160 among

00:43:48.120 many

00:43:48.480 to believe

00:43:49.280 that there

00:43:49.920 is something

00:43:50.440 larger

00:43:51.060 in play

00:43:52.500 than just

00:43:53.580 one person

00:43:54.500 can get a

00:43:55.240 rifle

00:43:55.580 and go

00:43:56.720 into the

00:43:57.600 life of

00:43:58.300 somebody as

00:43:58.920 significant

00:43:59.400 as Charlie

00:44:00.180 Kirk

00:44:00.480 and

00:44:01.220 thankfully

00:44:01.840 we dodged

00:44:02.660 this with

00:44:03.140 President

00:44:03.600 Trump in

00:44:04.200 Butler

00:44:04.460 Pennsylvania

00:44:04.960 on July

00:44:06.180 13th

00:44:07.740 but

00:44:08.220 it's

00:44:09.640 I think

00:44:10.540 beyond

00:44:12.460 the pale

00:44:13.380 to suggest

00:44:14.660 that someone

00:44:15.660 at Turning

00:44:16.520 Point

00:44:16.900 was involved

00:44:18.180 in trying

00:44:18.940 to encourage

00:44:19.760 the assassination

00:44:20.540 of Charlie

00:44:21.260 Kirk

00:44:21.540 I mean

00:44:22.380 that is

00:44:22.860 I think

00:44:23.700 absolutely

00:44:24.480 a crazy

00:44:25.920 loony bin

00:44:26.760 take

00:44:27.100 and one

00:44:28.800 of the

00:44:29.100 things that

00:44:29.520 I think

00:44:29.880 is very

00:44:31.020 challenging

00:44:31.680 in modern

00:44:32.800 media

00:44:33.280 is

00:44:34.480 there are

00:44:36.120 very few

00:44:37.140 consequences

00:44:38.060 for crazy

00:44:39.740 opinions

00:44:40.220 and actually

00:44:41.680 we've created

00:44:42.440 a media

00:44:42.980 ecosystem

00:44:43.680 that can

00:44:44.640 reward

00:44:45.400 crazy

00:44:46.360 opinions

00:44:46.840 and

00:44:47.980 I think

00:44:49.120 that's

00:44:49.360 something

00:44:49.580 that is

00:44:50.340 going to

00:44:50.820 be important

00:44:51.420 to grapple

00:44:52.160 with

00:44:52.520 in the

00:44:53.480 years ahead

00:44:54.100 how do

00:44:55.380 we reconcile

00:44:56.240 when people

00:44:57.660 say things

00:44:58.260 that end up

00:44:58.720 not being

00:44:59.100 true

00:44:59.400 and I'm

00:44:59.640 not talking

00:45:00.080 about just

00:45:00.460 getting

00:45:00.660 predictions

00:45:01.120 wrong

00:45:01.500 we get

00:45:02.240 predictions

00:45:02.600 wrong

00:45:02.880 on this

00:45:03.180 show

00:45:03.340 all the

00:45:03.580 time

00:45:03.780 those

00:45:03.980 of you

00:45:04.220 who have

00:45:04.340 listened

00:45:04.520 to this

00:45:04.780 show

00:45:04.920 for a

00:45:05.180 long

00:45:05.340 time

00:45:05.660 know

00:45:06.400 that

00:45:07.100 for instance

00:45:07.760 I said

00:45:08.260 we were

00:45:08.460 going to

00:45:08.600 have a

00:45:08.860 red wave

00:45:09.400 in 2022

00:45:10.200 didn't

00:45:10.880 materialize

00:45:11.580 I was

00:45:11.940 wrong

00:45:12.160 I came

00:45:12.400 on I

00:45:12.680 said

00:45:12.880 I was

00:45:13.620 wrong

00:45:13.880 we got

00:45:14.400 a red

00:45:14.700 wave

00:45:15.040 in

00:45:15.340 Florida

00:45:15.760 we got

00:45:16.420 a red

00:45:16.740 wave

00:45:17.180 in

00:45:17.720 New York

00:45:18.520 it didn't

00:45:19.200 happen

00:45:19.480 in other

00:45:19.940 cities

00:45:21.060 and states

00:45:21.640 and

00:45:22.800 then in

00:45:23.900 2024

00:45:24.300 we did

00:45:24.920 get a

00:45:25.180 red wave

00:45:25.580 and it

00:45:25.980 brought

00:45:26.200 President

00:45:26.640 Trump

00:45:26.980 in

00:45:27.300 and so

00:45:27.960 you could

00:45:28.420 feel

00:45:28.900 the

00:45:29.180 building

00:45:29.600 of the

00:45:30.040 red

00:45:30.260 wave

00:45:30.640 I was

00:45:31.420 just

00:45:31.660 early

00:45:32.140 in my

00:45:32.900 forecast

00:45:33.460 I think

00:45:34.160 honestly

00:45:34.700 the Dobbs

00:45:35.720 decision

00:45:36.300 muted

00:45:37.120 what would

00:45:37.720 have been

00:45:38.000 a red

00:45:38.380 wave

00:45:38.720 in

00:45:38.900 2022

00:45:39.340 that's

00:45:39.940 my

00:45:40.140 opinion

00:45:40.460 I think

00:45:41.340 that abortion

00:45:41.920 got out

00:45:42.900 a lot

00:45:43.180 of Democrats

00:45:43.740 and it

00:45:44.960 forestalled

00:45:45.680 the red

00:45:46.180 wave

00:45:46.520 until

00:45:46.780 2024

00:45:47.360 and by

00:45:47.920 the way

00:45:48.100 you can

00:45:48.800 argue

00:45:49.180 that if

00:45:50.020 we had

00:45:50.460 gotten

00:45:50.760 a red

00:45:51.160 wave

00:45:51.480 in

00:45:51.660 2022

00:45:52.220 Joe

00:45:52.980 Biden

00:45:53.280 would

00:45:53.560 have

00:45:53.680 stepped

00:45:53.980 down

00:45:54.360 then

00:45:54.760 and said

00:45:55.340 I'm

00:45:55.500 not running

00:45:56.020 for

00:45:56.260 re-election

00:45:56.900 the

00:45:57.500 Democrats

00:45:57.920 would

00:45:58.300 have

00:45:58.400 had

00:45:58.520 a

00:45:58.640 full

00:45:58.840 primary

00:45:59.440 Republicans

00:46:00.280 would

00:46:00.720 have

00:46:00.800 had

00:46:00.940 a

00:46:01.040 full

00:46:01.220 primary

00:46:01.700 and

00:46:02.000 we

00:46:02.120 wouldn't

00:46:02.420 have

00:46:02.600 ended

00:46:02.820 up

00:46:03.100 with

00:46:03.300 Trump

00:46:03.580 versus

00:46:03.920 Kamala

00:46:04.300 we may

00:46:04.640 have

00:46:04.760 ended

00:46:04.920 up

00:46:05.200 with

00:46:05.760 I think

00:46:06.500 Trump

00:46:06.760 still

00:46:06.980 probably

00:46:07.420 would

00:46:07.700 have

00:46:07.820 won

00:46:08.180 the

00:46:08.760 overall

00:46:09.080 Republican

00:46:09.540 nomination

00:46:10.000 but who

00:46:10.340 knows

00:46:10.720 who the

00:46:11.280 nominee

00:46:11.600 would have

00:46:12.060 been

00:46:12.320 for

00:46:12.660 Democrats

00:46:13.260 I don't

00:46:13.620 think

00:46:13.760 it

00:46:13.840 would

00:46:13.940 have

00:46:14.000 been

00:46:14.120 Kamala

00:46:14.500 and so

00:46:15.560 you get

00:46:16.280 things

00:46:16.540 wrong

00:46:16.920 that's

00:46:17.260 part

00:46:17.520 of

00:46:17.640 this

00:46:17.840 business

00:46:18.180 it's

00:46:18.440 hard

00:46:18.660 to

00:46:18.820 forecast

00:46:19.240 the

00:46:19.400 future

00:46:19.700 nobody

00:46:20.000 is

00:46:20.220 perfect

00:46:20.520 at

00:46:20.720 it

00:46:21.020 but

00:46:22.400 when

00:46:22.620 you

00:46:22.820 say

00:46:23.100 things

00:46:23.480 that

00:46:23.740 are

00:46:24.680 able

00:46:26.340 to

00:46:26.600 be

00:46:26.800 proven

00:46:27.160 incorrect

00:46:27.660 what

00:46:28.800 is

00:46:28.980 the

00:46:29.160 metric

00:46:29.580 under

00:46:29.920 which

00:46:30.300 there

00:46:30.540 are

00:46:30.720 consequences

00:46:31.400 for

00:46:31.760 that

00:46:31.980 I

00:46:33.440 think

00:46:33.660 it's

00:46:33.840 something

00:46:34.180 that

00:46:34.720 in

00:46:34.980 the

00:46:35.160 world

00:46:35.460 in

00:46:35.640 which

00:46:35.840 we

00:46:36.020 live

00:46:36.300 it's

00:46:36.480 very

00:46:36.780 hard

00:46:37.160 for

00:46:38.020 me

00:46:38.720 to

00:46:38.900 sue

00:46:39.120 for

00:46:39.360 instance

00:46:39.720 because

00:46:40.020 somebody

00:46:40.420 defamed

00:46:40.800 me

00:46:41.020 because

00:46:41.760 I'm

00:46:41.980 a

00:46:42.080 public

00:46:42.300 figure

00:46:42.680 so

00:46:43.320 if

00:46:43.440 you

00:46:43.540 go

00:46:43.680 on

00:46:43.840 social

00:46:44.120 media

00:46:44.360 at

00:46:44.540 any

00:46:44.700 moment

00:46:45.020 people

00:46:45.600 are

00:46:45.760 saying

00:46:45.980 awful

00:46:46.300 things

00:46:46.660 about

00:46:46.900 me

00:46:47.120 they're

00:46:47.560 saying

00:46:47.820 awful

00:46:48.120 things

00:46:48.460 about

00:46:48.700 buck

00:46:48.960 they're

00:46:49.160 saying

00:46:49.360 awful

00:46:49.600 things

00:46:49.880 about

00:46:50.100 many

00:46:50.300 different

00:46:50.580 people

00:46:50.860 in

00:46:51.020 public

00:46:51.260 life

00:46:51.620 and

00:46:52.620 because

00:46:52.920 the

00:46:53.340 standard

00:46:53.740 is

00:46:54.380 so

00:46:54.780 substantial

00:46:55.560 for a

00:46:56.040 public

00:46:56.320 figure

00:46:56.660 to be

00:46:56.920 able

00:46:57.120 to

00:46:57.340 sue

00:46:57.640 we

00:46:58.280 almost

00:46:58.720 have

00:46:59.020 created

00:46:59.440 a

00:46:59.680 world

00:47:00.160 where

00:47:01.000 you

00:47:01.600 can

00:47:01.880 say

00:47:02.240 anything

00:47:02.760 about

00:47:03.360 anyone

00:47:04.040 and

00:47:04.760 if

00:47:04.920 they

00:47:05.060 are

00:47:05.240 a

00:47:05.380 public

00:47:05.640 figure

00:47:06.100 in

00:47:06.440 the

00:47:06.560 United

00:47:06.860 States

00:47:07.280 it's

00:47:07.600 almost

00:47:07.960 impossible

00:47:08.500 for

00:47:08.780 there

00:47:08.960 to

00:47:09.100 be

00:47:09.340 any

00:47:09.940 form

00:47:10.480 of

00:47:10.680 defamation

00:47:11.260 that

00:47:11.600 is

00:47:15.980 thing

00:47:16.260 to

00:47:16.500 an

00:47:16.680 incentives

00:47:17.260 culture

00:47:17.920 where

00:47:18.680 you

00:47:19.020 can

00:47:19.220 say

00:47:19.420 awful

00:47:19.840 things

00:47:20.240 about

00:47:20.460 whoever

00:47:20.760 you

00:47:20.980 don't

00:47:21.280 like

00:47:21.640 awful

00:47:22.580 untrue

00:47:23.200 things

00:47:23.540 not

00:47:23.820 opinions

00:47:24.480 right

00:47:25.100 me

00:47:25.680 saying

00:47:26.160 I

00:47:26.860 think

00:47:27.020 Tim

00:47:27.240 Walls

00:47:27.620 is

00:47:27.780 an

00:47:28.020 awful

00:47:28.540 awful

00:47:29.320 governor

00:47:30.160 and

00:47:30.900 was

00:47:31.280 an

00:47:31.520 atrocious

00:47:32.120 vice

00:47:32.460 presidential

00:47:33.020 candidate

00:47:33.520 and

00:47:34.300 didn't

00:47:34.700 actually

00:47:35.160 appeal

00:47:35.600 to

00:47:35.820 men

00:47:36.040 at

00:47:36.200 all

00:47:36.500 and

00:47:37.280 Democrats

00:47:37.940 made

00:47:38.260 a

00:47:38.600 tremendously

00:47:39.360 boneheaded

00:47:40.620 decision

00:47:41.300 there

00:47:41.580 that's

00:47:42.960 all

00:47:43.220 well

00:47:43.840 intentioned

00:47:44.680 I

00:47:44.880 believe

00:47:45.280 everything

00:47:45.700 I

00:47:45.960 just

00:47:46.200 said

00:47:46.520 but

00:47:46.880 if

00:47:47.020 I

00:47:47.160 took

00:47:47.340 the

00:47:47.480 next

00:47:47.720 step

00:47:48.040 and

00:47:48.220 said

00:47:48.440 I

00:47:48.680 think

00:47:48.960 Tim

00:47:49.240 Walls

00:47:49.660 is

00:47:49.980 you

00:47:50.340 know

00:47:50.480 he's

00:47:50.880 a

00:47:51.040 drug

00:47:51.320 dealer

00:47:51.660 that

00:47:53.440 would

00:47:53.600 be

00:47:53.820 totally

00:47:54.300 made

00:47:54.560 up

00:47:54.760 I

00:47:54.880 don't

00:47:55.000 think

00:47:55.140 there's

00:47:55.320 any

00:47:55.480 evidence

00:47:55.860 whatsoever

00:47:56.300 to

00:47:56.540 support

00:47:56.940 it

00:47:57.160 but

00:47:57.560 I

00:47:57.680 don't

00:47:57.900 know

00:47:58.140 that

00:47:58.380 Tim

00:47:58.620 Walls

00:47:59.020 could

00:47:59.240 sue

00:47:59.700 because

00:48:00.320 he's

00:48:00.600 a

00:48:00.700 public

00:48:00.960 figure

00:48:01.380 and

00:48:01.680 the

00:48:01.840 standard

00:48:02.180 of

00:48:02.660 public

00:48:02.980 figures

00:48:03.400 is

00:48:03.680 you

00:48:04.020 can

00:48:04.160 basically

00:48:04.560 say

00:48:04.860 anything

00:48:05.140 about

00:48:05.540 them

00:48:05.740 and

00:48:05.860 there

00:48:06.020 are

00:48:06.280 no

00:48:06.480 consequences

00:48:07.140 I

00:48:08.140 think

00:48:08.360 this

00:48:08.540 is

00:48:08.640 going

00:48:08.740 to

00:48:08.800 become

00:48:09.120 more

00:48:09.720 and

00:48:09.880 more

00:48:10.060 challenging

00:48:10.660 in a

00:48:11.300 social

00:48:11.640 media

00:48:12.020 age

00:48:12.560 it's

00:48:13.340 something

00:48:13.540 that I

00:48:13.820 spend

00:48:14.040 a lot

00:48:14.260 of

00:48:14.360 time

00:48:14.560 thinking

00:48:14.880 about

00:48:15.240 and

00:48:16.000 this

00:48:16.440 is

00:48:16.620 me

00:48:16.800 going

00:48:17.100 down

00:48:17.380 into

00:48:17.560 the

00:48:17.720 weeds

00:48:18.080 legally

00:48:18.620 but

00:48:19.220 the

00:48:19.340 New York

00:48:19.620 Times

00:48:20.000 v.

00:48:20.400 Sullivan

00:48:20.740 standard

00:48:22.420 when it

00:48:22.820 comes to

00:48:23.260 free speech

00:48:23.860 and the

00:48:24.120 first

00:48:24.340 amendment

00:48:24.660 and how

00:48:25.060 that

00:48:25.260 is

00:48:25.400 implicated

00:48:25.940 it

00:48:26.760 doesn't

00:48:27.440 really

00:48:27.820 fit

00:48:28.220 the

00:48:28.460 modern

00:48:28.840 era

00:48:29.360 in

00:48:29.900 which

00:48:30.140 we

00:48:30.340 live

00:48:30.660 it's

00:48:31.260 an

00:48:31.460 outdated

00:48:32.100 policy

00:48:33.320 precedent

00:48:34.200 from

00:48:34.980 the

00:48:35.200 1960s

00:48:36.360 that

00:48:36.820 I

00:48:37.080 don't

00:48:37.280 think

00:48:37.520 fits

00:48:37.920 the

00:48:38.160 modern

00:48:38.500 reality

00:48:39.100 of

00:48:39.720 media

00:48:40.440 in

00:48:40.900 2025

00:48:41.540 and

00:48:41.860 2026

00:48:42.680 something

00:48:43.740 to

00:48:43.920 think

00:48:44.100 about

00:48:44.320 something

00:48:44.620 to

00:48:44.800 put

00:48:44.920 a

00:48:45.040 pin

00:48:45.180 in

00:48:45.340 it

00:48:45.520 I

00:48:45.960 don't

00:48:47.320 even

00:48:47.480 know

00:48:47.600 how

00:48:47.720 many

00:48:47.860 Supreme

00:48:48.180 Court

00:48:48.460 justices

00:48:49.060 really

00:48:49.420 get

00:48:49.740 this

00:48:50.040 several

00:48:50.780 of

00:48:51.060 them

00:48:51.240 have

00:48:51.440 started

00:48:51.780 to

00:48:52.020 say

00:48:52.320 hey

00:48:52.560 you

00:48:52.720 know

00:48:52.840 what

00:48:53.120 this

00:48:53.880 idea

00:48:54.500 of

00:48:55.120 Times

00:48:55.520 v.

00:48:55.820 Sullivan

00:48:56.080 needs

00:48:56.440 to be

00:48:56.660 modified

00:48:57.020 Clarence

00:48:57.520 Thomas

00:48:57.820 has

00:48:58.040 talked

00:48:58.280 about

00:48:58.500 it

00:48:58.660 I

00:48:59.080 think

00:48:59.200 it

00:49:03.420 is

00:49:04.080 going

00:49:04.340 to

00:49:04.640 be

00:49:05.020 generationally

00:49:06.280 important

00:49:06.720 in the

00:49:07.060 years

00:49:07.280 ahead

00:49:07.540 but

00:49:08.680 just

00:49:08.840 putting

00:49:09.040 a

00:49:09.180 pin

00:49:09.320 in

00:49:09.440 it

00:49:09.580 wanted

00:49:10.040 to

00:49:10.420 play

00:49:10.900 that

00:49:11.200 cut

00:49:11.740 and

00:49:12.320 use

00:49:12.600 it

00:49:12.720 as a

00:49:13.200 jumping

00:49:13.420 off

00:49:13.660 point

00:49:13.900 to

00:49:14.060 talk

00:49:14.260 about

00:49:14.580 public

00:49:15.380 commentary

00:49:15.820 and

00:49:16.320 what

00:49:16.520 the

00:49:16.700 standard

00:49:17.060 should

00:49:17.460 be

00:49:17.880 when

00:49:18.340 it

00:49:18.500 comes

00:49:18.840 to

00:49:19.140 what

00:49:19.460 is

00:49:19.760 said

00:49:19.960 and

00:49:20.080 what

00:49:20.200 is

00:49:20.300 not

00:49:20.540 look

00:49:20.760 Buck

00:49:21.020 learned

00:49:21.280 a lot

00:49:21.640 from

00:49:22.100 his

00:49:22.240 time

00:49:22.480 in

00:49:22.620 DC

00:49:22.900 between

00:49:23.280 that

00:49:23.660 entering

00:49:24.020 the

00:49:24.220 media

00:49:24.500 he's

00:49:25.100 connected

00:49:25.420 the

00:49:25.620 dots

00:49:25.920 on

00:49:26.080 how

00:49:26.280 quickly

00:49:26.640 political

00:49:27.100 power

00:49:27.520 can

00:49:27.760 turn

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00:49:29.120 insiders

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00:49:31.840 it's

00:49:32.200 one

00:49:32.320 of

00:49:32.400 the

00:49:32.520 reasons

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00:50:28.180 in

00:50:28.460 Clay

00:50:28.860 Travis

00:50:29.400 Buck

00:50:29.700 Sexton

00:50:30.060 show

00:50:30.700 Thursday

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00:50:32.320 program

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00:50:33.540 let's

00:50:33.760 get

00:50:33.900 to

00:50:34.000 some

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00:50:34.760 a

00:50:35.220 Canadian

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00:50:38.840 businesses

00:50:39.300 their

00:50:39.780 elected

00:50:40.080 leaders

00:50:40.440 and

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00:50:41.320 out

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00:50:41.940 that's

00:50:42.180 why

00:50:42.280 we're

00:50:42.480 thrilled

00:50:42.800 to

00:50:42.980 introduce

00:50:43.440 the

00:50:43.800 honest

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00:50:45.160 I'm

00:50:45.800 Jennifer

00:50:46.080 Stewart

00:50:46.480 and

00:50:46.860 I'm

00:50:47.060 Catherine

00:50:47.380 Clark

00:50:47.700 and

00:50:48.140 in

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00:50:48.920 we

00:50:49.260 interview

00:50:49.580 Canada's

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00:50:55.960 stages

00:50:56.340 of

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00:50:57.180 so

00:50:57.700 if

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00:50:58.240 looking

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00:50:59.400 we

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00:51:04.800 welcome

00:51:07.180 back

00:51:07.420 in

00:51:07.740 Clay

00:51:08.140 Travis

00:51:08.680 Buck

00:51:08.980 Sexton

00:51:09.440 show

00:51:10.020 appreciate

00:51:10.640 all of

00:51:11.200 you

00:51:11.580 hanging

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00:51:13.820 by

00:51:14.060 Jonathan

00:51:14.540 Albert

00:51:15.020 psychotherapist

00:51:16.100 in

00:51:16.420 New York

00:51:16.840 City

00:51:17.140 and

00:51:17.460 DC

00:51:17.820 author

00:51:18.340 of

00:51:18.740 the

00:51:18.900 forthcoming

00:51:19.520 book

00:51:19.940 Therapy

00:51:21.040 Nation

00:51:21.440 we

00:51:22.380 talked

00:51:22.660 with

00:51:22.860 you

00:51:23.220 back

00:51:23.700 in

00:51:24.400 around

00:51:26.240 Thanksgiving

00:51:26.680 Jonathan

00:51:27.540 and there

00:51:27.900 was a

00:51:28.200 great

00:51:28.500 feedback

00:51:28.920 from

00:51:29.340 the

00:51:29.540 audience

00:51:29.920 so

00:51:30.420 given

00:51:30.960 the

00:51:31.120 fact

00:51:31.320 that

00:51:31.520 Christmas

00:51:31.840 is

00:51:32.320 nearing

00:51:32.780 we

00:51:33.040 are

00:51:33.200 exactly

00:51:33.540 one

00:51:33.960 week

00:51:34.280 from

00:51:34.760 Christmas

00:51:35.220 day

00:51:35.680 if

00:51:36.260 I'm

00:51:36.520 doing

00:51:36.700 my

00:51:36.920 math

00:51:37.160 correctly

00:51:37.560 and

00:51:37.720 I

00:51:37.800 think

00:51:37.960 I

00:51:38.140 am

00:51:38.520 and

00:51:39.420 obviously

00:51:39.820 Hanukkah

00:51:40.320 is

00:51:40.640 underway

00:51:41.320 what

00:51:42.880 is

00:51:43.200 the

00:51:43.400 number

00:51:43.740 one

00:51:44.240 piece

00:51:44.660 of

00:51:44.840 advice

00:51:45.320 you

00:51:45.700 would

00:51:45.980 give

00:51:46.500 anyone

00:51:47.260 out

00:51:47.600 there

00:51:47.820 that

00:51:48.040 is

00:51:48.180 going

00:51:48.420 to

00:51:48.580 be

00:51:48.760 with

00:51:49.000 friends

00:51:49.320 and

00:51:49.560 family

00:51:49.900 who

00:51:50.200 hate

00:51:50.660 President

00:51:51.340 Trump

00:51:51.840 many

00:51:52.180 of

00:51:52.320 the

00:51:52.400 people

00:51:52.580 listening

00:51:52.900 to

00:51:53.120 us

00:51:53.320 right

00:51:53.500 now

00:51:53.760 are

00:51:54.280 big

00:51:54.520 Trump

00:51:54.820 supporters

00:51:55.380 what

00:51:55.960 is

00:51:56.080 the

00:51:56.240 number

00:51:56.520 one

00:51:56.780 piece

00:51:57.020 of

00:51:57.160 advice

00:51:57.560 when

00:51:57.780 it

00:51:57.920 comes

00:51:58.240 to

00:51:58.580 holidays

00:51:59.300 with

00:51:59.700 Trump

00:52:00.020 haters

00:52:00.820 well

00:52:02.800 Clay

00:52:03.300 maybe

00:52:03.660 get

00:52:04.120 a

00:52:04.260 life

00:52:04.660 but

00:52:05.560 that

00:52:06.120 aside

00:52:06.580 you

00:52:07.080 know

00:52:07.160 I

00:52:07.240 think

00:52:07.380 people

00:52:07.740 need

00:52:08.060 to

00:52:08.260 recognize

00:52:08.700 that

00:52:09.300 family

00:52:10.620 and

00:52:10.960 friends

00:52:11.580 are

00:52:12.300 or at

00:52:12.800 least

00:52:12.920 should

00:52:13.160 be

00:52:13.340 more

00:52:13.580 important

00:52:14.020 than

00:52:14.340 Donald

00:52:14.740 Trump

00:52:15.120 or

00:52:15.340 any

00:52:15.640 political

00:52:16.140 figure

00:52:16.640 that

00:52:16.920 may

00:52:17.180 be

00:52:17.480 in

00:52:18.240 our

00:52:18.960 country

00:52:19.460 but

00:52:20.320 all

00:52:20.520 too

00:52:20.760 often

00:52:21.080 that's

00:52:21.380 not

00:52:21.600 the

00:52:21.820 case

00:52:22.200 we

00:52:22.420 have

00:52:22.840 people

00:52:23.480 who

00:52:23.700 are

00:52:23.960 dividing

00:52:24.640 families

00:52:25.360 cutting

00:52:25.740 off

00:52:26.120 relatives

00:52:26.900 loved

00:52:27.360 ones

00:52:27.780 friends

00:52:28.280 just

00:52:29.240 because

00:52:29.560 of the

00:52:29.840 way

00:52:29.980 that

00:52:30.160 someone

00:52:30.380 voted

00:52:30.800 and

00:52:31.860 as a

00:52:32.340 therapist

00:52:32.740 I mean

00:52:33.140 I'm

00:52:33.280 seeing

00:52:33.640 this

00:52:34.040 endlessly

00:52:35.480 since

00:52:35.940 Thanksgiving

00:52:36.380 people

00:52:36.780 are

00:52:36.960 coming

00:52:37.240 in

00:52:37.500 talking

00:52:37.860 about

00:52:38.200 high

00:52:38.500 anxiety

00:52:39.080 about

00:52:39.420 seeing

00:52:39.820 their

00:52:40.100 Trump

00:52:40.540 loving

00:52:40.980 uncle

00:52:41.480 or

00:52:42.120 even

00:52:42.420 their

00:52:42.620 progressive

00:52:43.080 cousin

00:52:43.640 over

00:52:43.940 the

00:52:44.120 holiday

00:52:44.520 so

00:52:45.640 it's

00:52:45.820 a

00:52:45.940 real

00:52:46.120 problem

00:52:46.640 in

00:52:46.960 our

00:52:47.180 society

00:52:47.840 and

00:52:49.040 what

00:52:49.220 I'm

00:52:49.340 seeing

00:52:49.620 this

00:52:49.940 year

00:52:50.240 seems

00:52:50.720 worse

00:52:51.160 than

00:52:51.380 in

00:52:51.520 years

00:52:51.760 past

00:52:52.260 and

00:52:52.400 I

00:52:52.520 think

00:52:52.700 part

00:52:52.980 of

00:52:53.080 the

00:52:53.200 problem

00:52:53.600 is

00:52:54.140 people

00:52:55.020 have

00:52:55.260 become

00:52:55.660 their

00:52:55.980 anger

00:52:56.460 has

00:52:56.680 become

00:52:56.980 hardened

00:52:57.440 and

00:52:57.960 it's

00:52:58.160 become

00:52:58.440 part

00:52:58.880 of

00:52:59.000 their

00:52:59.140 personality

00:52:59.820 so

00:53:01.060 we

00:53:01.280 really

00:53:01.540 need

00:53:01.800 to

00:53:02.040 try

00:53:02.320 to

00:53:02.540 examine

00:53:02.980 that

00:53:03.360 and

00:53:03.540 figure

00:53:03.760 out

00:53:03.960 how

00:53:04.100 to

00:53:04.280 work

00:53:04.800 with

00:53:04.980 these

00:53:05.180 people

00:53:09.820 may

00:53:10.060 work

00:53:10.420 just

00:53:10.680 to

00:53:10.860 remind

00:53:11.220 people

00:53:11.640 like

00:53:11.980 we're

00:53:12.160 here

00:53:12.340 for

00:53:12.500 the

00:53:12.660 holiday

00:53:12.940 dinner

00:53:13.320 not

00:53:13.920 to

00:53:14.100 discuss

00:53:14.440 politics

00:53:15.080 we've

00:53:16.240 got

00:53:16.520 Kathy

00:53:17.000 in

00:53:17.280 Birmingham

00:53:17.640 Alabama

00:53:18.180 she

00:53:18.760 has

00:53:19.120 a

00:53:19.420 question

00:53:19.980 for

00:53:20.960 you

00:53:21.280 Kathy

00:53:21.700 you're

00:53:22.480 talking

00:53:22.860 with

00:53:23.340 Jonathan

00:53:23.820 Alpert

00:53:24.340 you've

00:53:24.740 got

00:53:24.900 a

00:53:25.060 dad

00:53:25.440 who

00:53:25.700 is

00:53:25.960 a

00:53:26.240 major

00:53:26.780 Trump

00:53:27.280 hater

00:53:27.740 ask

00:53:28.600 your

00:53:28.740 question

00:53:29.180 how

00:53:31.060 do

00:53:31.220 you

00:53:31.340 deal

00:53:31.560 with

00:53:31.780 it

00:53:32.020 he

00:53:32.460 is

00:53:32.700 90

00:53:33.300 years

00:53:33.740 old

00:53:34.300 and

00:53:35.540 he

00:53:36.460 was

00:53:36.760 he

00:53:37.240 founded

00:53:37.740 I

00:53:38.020 thought

00:53:38.260 it was

00:53:38.420 my

00:53:38.560 father

00:53:39.120 that

00:53:39.380 called

00:53:39.820 the

00:53:40.120 bill

00:53:40.340 from

00:53:40.580 Wisconsin

00:53:41.080 my

00:53:41.840 father's

00:53:42.400 name

00:53:42.620 is

00:53:42.900 bill

00:53:43.300 and

00:53:44.120 he

00:53:44.320 is

00:53:44.520 from

00:53:44.740 the

00:53:44.880 upper

00:53:45.040 financial

00:53:45.420 of

00:53:45.680 Michigan

00:53:46.000 and

00:53:47.080 he

00:53:47.820 bill

00:53:48.820 from

00:53:49.080 Wisconsin

00:53:49.640 is

00:53:50.300 exactly

00:53:50.820 how

00:53:51.160 my

00:53:51.400 father

00:53:51.800 is

00:53:52.060 treating

00:53:52.420 his

00:53:52.700 three

00:53:53.000 adult

00:53:53.460 children

00:53:53.960 thank

00:53:55.400 you

00:53:55.580 for

00:53:55.700 the

00:53:55.780 call

00:53:56.000 what

00:53:58.120 should

00:53:58.460 she

00:53:58.740 do

00:53:59.160 you

00:54:00.060 didn't

00:54:00.360 hear

00:54:00.640 earlier

00:54:01.100 but

00:54:01.280 we

00:54:01.380 had

00:54:01.500 a

00:54:01.600 caller

00:54:01.840 bill

00:54:02.140 from

00:54:02.360 Wisconsin

00:54:02.900 who

00:54:03.220 just

00:54:03.600 hates

00:54:04.040 Trump

00:54:04.420 sounds

00:54:05.080 like

00:54:05.320 her

00:54:05.480 dad

00:54:05.900 90

00:54:06.300 years

00:54:06.660 old

00:54:07.040 is

00:54:07.580 that

00:54:07.820 way

00:54:08.060 too

00:54:08.340 what

00:54:08.620 would

00:54:08.860 you

00:54:09.100 suggest

00:54:09.820 that

00:54:10.780 she

00:54:11.020 should

00:54:11.280 do

00:54:11.560 is

00:54:11.780 it

00:54:11.900 completely

00:54:12.320 ignore

00:54:12.820 everything

00:54:13.560 having

00:54:14.220 to do

00:54:14.620 with

00:54:14.820 Trump

00:54:15.060 what's

00:54:15.320 the

00:54:15.460 best

00:54:15.680 way

00:54:15.840 to

00:54:15.960 get

00:54:16.120 through

00:54:16.320 the

00:54:16.500 holidays

00:54:16.900 with

00:54:17.980 some

00:54:18.340 semblance

00:54:18.900 of

00:54:19.100 sanity

00:54:19.440 in

00:54:19.660 the

00:54:19.760 household

00:54:20.180 yeah

00:54:21.380 and

00:54:21.520 I

00:54:21.640 think

00:54:21.840 accepting

00:54:22.400 that

00:54:22.680 there

00:54:22.860 will

00:54:23.100 be

00:54:23.300 people

00:54:23.660 who

00:54:23.920 hate

00:54:24.200 Trump

00:54:24.660 or

00:54:24.840 hate

00:54:25.140 Joe

00:54:25.360 Biden

00:54:25.740 or

00:54:26.000 hate

00:54:26.300 Kamala

00:54:26.780 Harris

00:54:27.160 but

00:54:27.720 again

00:54:28.160 like

00:54:28.500 recognizing

00:54:29.180 that

00:54:29.740 no

00:54:30.820 one

00:54:31.200 political

00:54:31.860 figure

00:54:32.360 should

00:54:32.640 dominate

00:54:33.140 a

00:54:33.460 holiday

00:54:33.840 and

00:54:34.040 maybe

00:54:34.220 getting

00:54:34.540 back

00:54:34.940 to

00:54:35.360 the

00:54:35.940 importance

00:54:36.460 of

00:54:36.820 the

00:54:37.240 holiday

00:54:37.600 and

00:54:37.820 what

00:54:37.960 it's

00:54:38.160 all

00:54:38.340 about

00:54:38.800 and

00:54:39.520 maybe

00:54:39.780 there

00:54:40.000 can

00:54:40.160 just

00:54:40.340 be

00:54:40.500 a

00:54:40.640 brief

00:54:40.920 acknowledgement

00:54:41.560 I

00:54:42.080 understand

00:54:42.500 that

00:54:43.060 we

00:54:43.260 don't

00:54:43.560 see

00:54:43.760 eye

00:54:43.980 to

00:54:44.080 eye

00:54:44.280 politically

00:54:44.900 but

00:54:45.280 I

00:54:45.420 love

00:54:45.720 you

00:54:45.940 you're

00:54:46.220 my

00:54:46.420 father

00:54:46.780 you're

00:54:47.000 my

00:54:47.180 daughter

00:54:47.600 whatever

00:54:48.260 the

00:54:48.520 case

00:54:48.780 may

00:54:49.040 be

00:54:49.280 and

00:54:49.460 let's

00:54:49.680 focus

00:54:50.020 on

00:54:50.340 family

00:54:50.980 and

00:54:51.260 enjoying

00:54:51.700 the

00:54:52.120 holiday

00:54:52.480 together

00:54:52.980 so

00:54:53.960 most

00:54:54.340 of

00:54:54.460 the

00:54:54.580 times

00:54:54.880 that

00:54:55.060 will

00:54:55.220 work

00:54:55.640 we

00:54:57.180 also

00:54:57.420 have

00:54:57.580 another

00:54:57.780 question

00:54:58.160 I

00:54:58.320 appreciate

00:54:58.560 people

00:54:58.840 calling

00:54:59.120 in

00:54:59.380 Ryan

00:54:59.820 in

00:55:00.060 Boston

00:55:00.480 has

00:55:00.860 a

00:55:01.000 question

00:55:01.340 for

00:55:01.680 you

00:55:02.080 Jonathan

00:55:02.700 Alpert

00:55:03.120 on

00:55:03.380 with

00:55:03.540 us

00:55:03.680 now

00:55:03.980 gentlemen

00:55:05.840 the

00:55:06.100 great

00:55:06.360 topic

00:55:06.940 and

00:55:07.280 Bill

00:55:07.680 from

00:55:07.900 Wisconsin

00:55:08.380 you have

00:55:08.700 to

00:55:08.800 realize

00:55:09.160 you

00:55:09.400 don't

00:55:09.580 get

00:55:09.740 every

00:55:09.980 vote

00:55:10.300 and

00:55:10.460 he's

00:55:10.660 one

00:55:10.800 of

00:55:10.880 the

00:55:10.960 guys

00:55:11.180 go

00:55:11.380 the

00:55:11.540 other

00:55:11.680 way

00:55:11.940 but

00:55:12.200 I

00:55:13.400 noticed

00:55:13.680 little

00:55:14.080 kid

00:55:14.440 people

00:55:14.840 going

00:55:15.240 after

00:55:15.480 Reagan

00:55:15.860 and

00:55:16.100 I

00:55:16.220 don't

00:55:16.340 even

00:55:16.560 repeat

00:55:16.980 the

00:55:17.140 things

00:55:17.340 they

00:55:17.520 said

00:55:17.800 so

00:55:17.980 this

00:55:18.180 goes

00:55:18.840 on

00:55:19.220 politically

00:55:19.700 it

00:55:20.320 seems

00:55:20.580 more

00:55:20.840 from

00:55:21.080 the

00:55:21.260 left

00:55:21.640 they

00:55:22.120 do

00:55:22.320 get

00:55:22.540 kind

00:55:22.820 of

00:55:22.980 vicious

00:55:23.340 and

00:55:24.060 I

00:55:24.220 always

00:55:24.700 wanted

00:55:25.080 to

00:55:25.280 know

00:55:25.460 I

00:55:25.640 believe

00:55:26.160 on

00:55:26.600 an

00:55:26.980 emotional

00:55:27.440 level

00:55:27.920 and

00:55:28.080 are

00:55:29.060 these

00:55:29.260 people

00:55:29.580 stunted

00:55:30.100 emotionally

00:55:30.880 because

00:55:31.460 people

00:55:31.820 now

00:55:32.100 are

00:55:32.280 excluding

00:55:32.760 people

00:55:33.200 from

00:55:33.480 Thanksgiving

00:55:34.040 and

00:55:34.980 Christmas

00:55:35.560 dinners

00:55:36.040 and

00:55:36.460 they

00:55:36.600 don't

00:55:38.160 want

00:55:38.300 no

00:55:38.420 part

00:55:38.620 of

00:55:38.720 these

00:55:38.880 individuals

00:55:39.380 because

00:55:39.940 they

00:55:40.140 can't

00:55:40.440 control

00:55:40.920 their

00:55:41.540 political

00:55:41.980 views

00:55:42.460 at

00:55:42.780 dinners

00:55:43.120 anymore

00:55:43.600 you

00:55:44.080 know

00:55:44.180 what I

00:55:44.760 could

00:55:44.920 do

00:55:45.120 is

00:55:45.300 I

00:55:46.040 just

00:55:46.240 walk

00:55:46.600 away

00:55:46.980 during

00:55:47.720 Thanksgiving

00:55:48.460 I

00:55:48.680 can

00:55:48.780 watch

00:55:48.980 football

00:55:49.300 I'm a

00:55:49.520 sports

00:55:49.800 fan

00:55:50.120 or

00:55:50.600 even

00:55:50.880 Christmas

00:55:51.240 they

00:55:51.460 have

00:55:51.560 games

00:55:51.840 I

00:55:52.020 can

00:55:52.200 watch

00:55:52.560 and

00:55:52.700 just

00:55:52.840 walk

00:55:53.080 away

00:55:53.280 from

00:55:53.440 any

00:55:53.600 kind

00:55:53.880 looney

00:55:54.300 toons

00:55:54.560 conversation

00:55:55.200 but

00:55:55.820 a lot

00:55:56.100 of

00:55:56.220 people

00:55:56.540 on

00:55:57.280 the

00:55:57.420 other

00:55:57.580 side

00:55:58.120 don't

00:55:58.940 like

00:55:59.160 it

00:55:59.280 at

00:55:59.400 all

00:55:59.620 people

00:55:59.960 are

00:56:00.120 being

00:56:00.260 excluded

00:56:00.800 and

00:56:01.280 a

00:56:01.420 good

00:56:01.540 example

00:56:02.060 I

00:56:02.320 saw

00:56:02.720 as

00:56:03.240 a

00:56:03.340 young

00:56:03.540 guy

00:56:03.840 when

00:56:04.380 Pappy

00:56:04.720 Cannon

00:56:12.460 the

00:56:12.620 actual

00:56:13.020 agenda

00:56:13.500 is

00:56:13.880 not

00:56:14.240 John

00:56:16.580 thank

00:56:16.900 you

00:56:16.980 for

00:56:17.080 the

00:56:17.180 call

00:56:17.380 Ryan

00:56:17.760 Jonathan

00:56:19.200 I

00:56:21.400 this

00:56:22.160 is

00:56:22.380 something

00:56:22.640 that I

00:56:23.000 think

00:56:23.180 everybody

00:56:23.640 is

00:56:24.500 grappling

00:56:25.360 with

00:56:25.680 and

00:56:25.800 it's

00:56:25.960 not

00:56:26.180 going

00:56:26.360 to

00:56:26.480 go

00:56:26.700 away

00:56:27.180 and

00:56:27.760 I

00:56:27.880 think

00:56:28.000 I

00:56:28.160 asked

00:56:28.380 you

00:56:28.480 this

00:56:28.660 last

00:56:28.960 time

00:56:29.220 but

00:56:29.440 I

00:56:29.740 find

00:56:30.060 it

00:56:30.240 super

00:56:30.600 interesting

00:56:31.160 is

00:56:32.180 Trump

00:56:32.600 derangement

00:56:33.320 syndrome

00:56:33.800 as it

00:56:34.380 exists

00:56:34.720 today

00:56:35.020 and

00:56:35.380 I

00:56:35.540 would

00:56:35.740 say

00:56:35.960 there's

00:56:36.220 about

00:56:36.460 20%

00:56:37.260 of

00:56:37.440 Americans

00:56:37.880 that

00:56:38.520 just

00:56:39.120 genuinely

00:56:39.880 hate

00:56:40.520 Trump

00:56:40.920 with

00:56:41.140 every

00:56:41.480 fiber

00:56:41.900 of

00:56:42.460 being

00:56:42.920 is

00:56:43.680 it

00:56:43.880 going

00:56:44.200 to

00:56:44.360 translate

00:56:45.020 to

00:56:45.740 other

00:56:46.540 politicians

00:56:47.800 on the

00:56:48.380 Republican

00:56:48.820 side

00:56:49.200 of

00:56:49.300 the

00:56:49.420 aisle

00:56:49.640 let's

00:56:49.940 say

00:56:50.080 it's

00:56:50.280 J.D.

00:56:50.640 Vance

00:56:50.920 or

00:56:51.080 Marco

00:56:51.380 Rubio

00:56:51.920 or

00:56:52.120 Ron

00:56:52.360 DeSantis

00:56:52.780 whoever

00:56:53.400 is

00:56:53.780 the

00:56:53.940 next

00:56:54.280 flag

00:56:54.760 bearer

00:56:55.240 for

00:56:55.480 the

00:56:55.700 Republican

00:56:56.180 party

00:56:56.640 in

00:56:57.240 your

00:56:57.460 experience

00:56:58.160 does

00:56:58.700 this

00:56:59.040 kind

00:56:59.540 of

00:56:59.700 hate

00:57:00.020 translate

00:57:00.680 or

00:57:01.540 if

00:57:02.160 Trump

00:57:02.520 steps

00:57:02.920 off

00:57:03.180 the

00:57:03.360 stage

00:57:03.740 which

00:57:03.940 he

00:57:04.100 will

00:57:04.240 do

00:57:04.480 in

00:57:04.680 January

00:57:05.080 of

00:57:05.400 2029

00:57:06.180 does

00:57:07.080 it

00:57:07.280 then

00:57:07.680 sort

00:57:08.200 of

00:57:08.380 leave

00:57:08.800 with

00:57:09.040 him

00:57:09.320 yeah

00:57:10.840 it's

00:57:11.020 a

00:57:11.120 great

00:57:11.420 question

00:57:12.140 Clay

00:57:12.440 and

00:57:12.560 I

00:57:12.680 remember

00:57:12.960 you

00:57:13.140 did

00:57:13.300 ask

00:57:13.560 that

00:57:13.720 last

00:57:14.040 time

00:57:14.300 I

00:57:14.460 think

00:57:14.820 to

00:57:15.080 some

00:57:15.320 degree

00:57:15.720 the

00:57:16.180 hate

00:57:16.460 does

00:57:16.840 stick

00:57:17.220 around

00:57:17.640 for

00:57:17.940 into

00:57:18.360 the

00:57:18.540 next

00:57:18.860 president

00:57:19.840 whoever

00:57:20.620 that

00:57:21.000 may

00:57:21.260 be

00:57:21.760 but

00:57:22.500 maybe

00:57:22.740 to a

00:57:23.160 lesser

00:57:23.420 extent

00:57:23.960 because

00:57:24.360 Trump

00:57:24.780 has

00:57:25.020 just

00:57:25.300 been

00:57:25.580 such

00:57:26.120 polarizing

00:57:27.460 figure

00:57:28.120 and

00:57:28.380 he

00:57:28.520 came

00:57:28.820 out

00:57:29.040 of

00:57:29.180 the

00:57:29.340 business

00:57:29.720 world

00:57:30.180 and

00:57:30.440 most

00:57:30.680 likely

00:57:31.060 we'll

00:57:31.320 have

00:57:31.520 a

00:57:31.880 politician

00:57:32.440 that

00:57:32.820 steps

00:57:33.220 up

00:57:33.420 into

00:57:33.620 the

00:57:33.800 presidency

00:57:34.240 next

00:57:34.660 time

00:57:35.020 and

00:57:35.580 not

00:57:35.820 this

00:57:36.040 outsider

00:57:36.700 that

00:57:37.000 Trump

00:57:37.340 was

00:57:37.800 and

00:57:38.200 I

00:57:38.320 think

00:57:38.480 a lot

00:57:38.800 of

00:57:38.940 people

00:57:39.240 just

00:57:39.500 had

00:57:39.680 trouble

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00:58:21.080 don't think we'll quite have that at play and that hatred but yes I to your point I think there are always going to be people who hate the other side one of the differences that I've seen is the hatred towards the right seems to be much more potent than the hatred towards the left plenty of patients of mine didn't like Biden or Harris but it never rose to the level of wanting either of those people dead.

00:58:21.100 But we've certainly seen that on the other side.

00:58:23.100 But we've certainly seen that on the other side.

00:58:24.100 Mary in Texas has an opinion. I'm curious what you would think of her opinion. Mary you've got Jonathan Alpert on with us. What have you got for us?

00:58:33.340 Well the basic things about being with your family or friends during the holidays is just very very lovingly very kindly say look we've been together for 90 years you know 40 years for children husband and wife.

00:58:49.160 Uh this isn't about what's going on in politics. This is about Christmas. This is about being with family. Let's take responsibility as adults as human beings to be loving with each other to be Christian with each other and the rest is going to be what it is. You're going to think what you're going to think. You're going to you're going to want to do what you're going to want to do. But let's leave it away from around us.

00:59:13.760 Thank you Mary. Good advice Jonathan.

00:59:18.280 Oh excellent advice from Mary. That's pretty much what I tell my patients that friends and family are far more important than politics and they should transcend any any occupant of the White House.

00:59:31.460 Unfortunately we're not seeing that this holiday season but that's great advice from Mary.

00:59:37.740 Historically we talked with Brianna Lyman from the Federalist in the second hour of the program. I love history because it teaches you that you're way tougher than you think you are and that the country is way tougher than many people think it is.

00:59:51.600 I would imagine that in the wake of the Civil War there were probably a lot of family gatherings that took place particularly in border states where people fought for different sides of the country north and south that it took a long time to get through.

01:00:08.380 Certainly for those of you out there who remember the 1960s I would imagine during the Vietnam War there were a lot of contentious Thanksgivings and Christmases.

01:00:18.640 Are you optimistic that we will come through and that sanity will win or are you concerned that in a social media era it's harder for sanity to triumph going forward.

01:00:31.200 In other words how perpetual do you think the divisions in the country are compared to past history and looking forward.

01:00:38.380 Yeah and I think if people could look at history would probably be better off now than we are our mental health would be better off but then when you enter into the mix social media and echo chambers that people surround themselves and it's really only intensifying the division in our country and that's part of what my my forthcoming book therapy nation is about.

01:01:01.420 So like this division and it's actually fueled in part by my profession we have therapy culture that is you know placing blame on everyone but their patient of course it's your boss that's the bad guy or your spouse it's not your fault so you know we don't have resilience being taught to patients these days we have quite the opposite.

01:01:23.100 We have grievance culture that we have grievance culture that's taking hold we have fragility and that's a big part of the problem and again if people could just look at our country's history and you make a good point that during the Civil War and after it families probably still got together and loved each other.

01:01:41.480 Thank you so much for joining us Jonathan Alpert if people want to read more of what you are doing I know you got a book coming out called Therapy Nation where should they find you?

01:01:55.420 People can find me on on X or Twitter at Jonathan Alpert and also my website JonathanAlpert.com.

01:02:04.060 Outstanding stuff as always have good holidays and we look forward to talking to you again.

01:02:09.060 Yeah thank you Clay have a great holiday.

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