Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck

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00:00:04.180 Welcome in, everybody.

00:00:05.760 Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now.

00:00:13.380 Got some things to discuss with all of you.

00:00:15.940 Got the continuing Epstein fallout of all the documents,

00:00:21.600 including Bill Clinton's deposition now.

00:00:25.540 Something we can discuss here.

00:00:27.000 Hillary Clinton testifying.

00:00:30.480 Clay, just as a follow-up, remember when they said that some photo got leaked?

00:00:34.760 Apparently it was being recorded,

00:00:36.740 and so just the photo came out in advance of the recorded session,

00:00:40.660 so it was really just a total tempest in a teapot.

00:00:43.400 The whole thing was absurd.

00:00:44.840 No surprise with any of that.

00:00:46.180 More on the Trump-USA hockey relationship.

00:00:51.660 Awesomeness for Americans who love America,

00:00:54.520 but there are some sad, sad exclamation point malcontents out there

00:01:02.080 who do not love fun, America, gold medals, hockey,

00:01:07.480 and they are annoyed about this,

00:01:09.920 including one athlete who only ever gets attention anymore

00:01:13.460 for being one of those people who is a malcontent

00:01:16.740 and cannot celebrate the greatness of USA-USA

00:01:20.300 without raining on the parade a bit.

00:01:24.000 Update on the NYPD snowball assault situation,

00:01:29.260 which I have to say, I am gratified that at least some people,

00:01:32.940 well, we are certainly,

00:01:34.460 but the police commissioner was taking it very seriously.

00:01:37.880 But as I warned you, I saw this one coming.

00:01:41.860 It's not up to the police commissioner

00:01:43.320 whether these individuals get punished or not.

00:01:46.300 So we will give you the latest on that,

00:01:48.800 some Immigrations and Customs Enforcement updates,

00:01:52.940 and then Paramount takes over Warner Brothers.

00:01:55.840 Clay, our media M&A expert,

00:01:58.540 is going to explain why this matters.

00:02:01.660 This is one of those things where truly,

00:02:03.000 I don't even know,

00:02:04.720 he knows, he could run the org chart

00:02:06.800 for all these places from his head.

00:02:09.440 Like, he actually knows who's in charge

00:02:11.220 and who owns what.

00:02:12.140 I don't even,

00:02:13.360 this is like Viacom, Discovery Channel,

00:02:17.020 Movie Studio, something or other.

00:02:18.280 I think it's going to be a big deal.

00:02:19.460 I don't know any of this stuff.

00:02:20.320 I think it's going to be a big deal.

00:02:21.740 We'll dive into that.

00:02:22.960 But I think probably the number one story right now,

00:02:25.980 as we were just talking about off-air, Buck,

00:02:28.100 is Bill Clinton is testifying in the Epstein probe

00:02:32.380 yesterday was Hillary,

00:02:33.860 today is Bill Clinton.

00:02:35.480 And so, let me give you my take,

00:02:37.180 and then everybody can be angry at it.

00:02:39.440 Oh, yes, here we go.

00:02:40.300 Nothing is going to come of this.

00:02:42.440 Bill Clinton is going to answer questions

00:02:45.580 as a smart attorney would,

00:02:48.580 denying, he's already put out a public statement,

00:02:50.620 denying that he had any knowledge of it at all,

00:02:52.800 wagging his finger at all of us

00:02:54.280 like he did with Monica Lewinsky,

00:02:56.360 and it's going to be basically impossible

00:02:58.620 to prove that he did anything wrong.

00:03:00.700 Let me tell you where this is going.

00:03:02.380 Because I do think this is significant,

00:03:04.680 and we'll open up the phone lines

00:03:06.240 if people want to weigh in.

00:03:08.940 The Jeffrey Epstein case,

00:03:11.220 whatever you might have thought of it in the past,

00:03:13.720 is now the primary method

00:03:15.780 by which Democrats are attacking Donald Trump.

00:03:19.040 And it is illegitimate,

00:03:20.780 and it is not based in reality,

00:03:23.240 but they have used anger on the right

00:03:27.540 and some anger on the left,

00:03:29.680 and they are just trying to channel that anger

00:03:32.220 into Trump,

00:03:33.720 and they are using Steele dossier like BS,

00:03:37.620 Russia collusion like BS,

00:03:40.180 Brett Kavanaugh accusation like BS,

00:03:43.440 to now attack President Trump,

00:03:45.980 who did nothing of any criminal nature at all.

00:03:49.980 So that is where we are.

00:03:52.060 That's a very important observation.

00:03:54.440 I agree with nothing is going to come from this.

00:03:57.180 I'm always the womp womp guy here.

00:03:59.020 I told you nothing is going to come of the JFK files.

00:04:01.420 Nothing is going to come of the Epstein files.

00:04:03.720 Let me be clear.

00:04:04.740 That's not the same as saying,

00:04:06.120 I don't think that we should have transparency into them.

00:04:08.780 Sure.

00:04:09.700 But if there was something in there that could be charged,

00:04:11.980 they would have charged it.

00:04:15.580 They're not going to release files that say,

00:04:18.280 oh, here's this super powerful rich guy

00:04:21.260 who's actually an underage sex criminal,

00:04:23.580 and we just didn't even think about this till now.

00:04:26.320 Of course, there's nothing in there

00:04:28.860 that they're going to charge.

00:04:30.440 There are things that are unsavory.

00:04:33.460 There are things that make you think,

00:04:36.020 people have lost jobs and professorships.

00:04:38.980 Professorships, there's fallout for sure,

00:04:42.540 but the fallout is for being a scumbag,

00:04:45.360 and to be clear, not for criminal behavior.

00:04:48.460 People are suffering consequences now,

00:04:52.280 and you can make of this what you will,

00:04:54.340 but I do think there's a little bit of a moral panic going on

00:04:57.280 where you have some people

00:04:58.840 who are having to defend themselves

00:05:01.160 on the Trump side of things

00:05:03.420 who didn't do anything,

00:05:04.960 but because they're in the Epstein files,

00:05:08.780 and this has been turned into this giant conspiracy

00:05:11.880 of global cover-up and everything else,

00:05:15.540 you have to go with the facts,

00:05:17.400 and you have to be clear and precise on this.

00:05:19.840 Clay, to what you're saying,

00:05:21.000 this is the primary way

00:05:23.720 that people who hate you

00:05:26.400 and everything that Donald Trump

00:05:28.360 is trying to accomplish for you

00:05:30.100 is trying to cleave Trump from the base with.

00:05:35.480 This is their weapon right now.

00:05:37.920 They go, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein,

00:05:39.320 and they say that this,

00:05:40.520 as if, like, Trump is somehow the guy

00:05:43.800 who is implicated.

00:05:45.480 If anything, he's implicated in being the one guy

00:05:48.080 who's like, Epstein's a scumbag.

00:05:49.420 Why aren't you guys doing more about this?

00:05:51.400 15 years ago.

00:05:53.400 And yet, Clay, Democrats recognize

00:05:55.740 that this is now a tool that they can use

00:05:58.660 through misrepresenting what's in there,

00:06:00.700 and it also goes to why did Trump

00:06:03.440 not really want to get into this?

00:06:05.700 Why did Trump look at some of this

00:06:07.320 and realize, you know,

00:06:08.220 what's going to happen here?

00:06:09.440 You're going to get a lot of,

00:06:10.680 a lot of people are just going to come

00:06:12.080 to conclusions about this

00:06:13.280 that aren't in evidence,

00:06:14.480 and then Democrats are going to say,

00:06:17.080 see, it's all Trump,

00:06:18.520 or he's still covering it up,

00:06:20.000 or his name is in there.

00:06:21.500 They're going to misrepresent this

00:06:23.220 to suggest that Donald Trump

00:06:24.640 is, like, the primary Epstein suspect number one

00:06:28.140 when that's the opposite

00:06:29.700 of what the files actually shows

00:06:32.400 about Donald Trump.

00:06:33.940 Yeah, I think what you said is important.

00:06:35.800 People who are Trump supporters

00:06:38.920 are being used

00:06:41.420 through the Epstein files

00:06:43.300 to attack Trump.

00:06:44.440 And here's two big things

00:06:45.760 that I think are here.

00:06:46.680 And again, the story today

00:06:48.300 is President Clinton,

00:06:49.700 former President Clinton,

00:06:50.780 is testifying.

00:06:53.540 I don't think anything's going to come of this.

00:06:55.660 I don't think anything's going to come

00:06:56.800 of the Hillary Clinton mess.

00:06:59.360 Was it unseemly?

00:07:00.780 Yes.

00:07:02.040 Was it criminal in nature?

00:07:04.040 I don't think so.

00:07:04.880 Based on everything that I've seen,

00:07:06.460 I think it would be very hard

00:07:07.540 to charge people criminally.

00:07:09.380 Here are two big facts

00:07:10.600 that I think are important

00:07:11.560 that are not getting talked about enough.

00:07:14.020 The Trump DOJ charged Epstein.

00:07:17.880 I don't know why no one is talking about this.

00:07:20.120 The Trump DOJ,

00:07:21.740 these charges that came down

00:07:23.780 against Jeffrey Epstein,

00:07:25.160 they were brought by

00:07:26.740 the Donald Trump Department of Justice

00:07:28.580 in 2019

00:07:29.480 when Trump was still in office.

00:07:31.620 Nobody was charging Epstein.

00:07:34.060 Nothing was being done.

00:07:35.720 The Trump DOJ charged him.

00:07:37.740 This is after the pleading guilty

00:07:42.120 to the interaction with,

00:07:44.440 I think it was like,

00:07:45.300 what Alan Dershowitz told us,

00:07:47.180 was a 17-and-a-half-year-old masseuse

00:07:49.800 for sexual assault

00:07:52.060 in that case in some way.

00:07:53.980 So, point one...

00:07:55.220 Soliciting a prostitute

00:07:56.240 was actually the charge.

00:07:57.180 Soliciting an underage prostitute, yeah.

00:07:59.300 Trump's Department of Justice

00:08:00.720 charged Epstein is point one.

00:08:03.640 Point two,

00:08:05.100 Joe Biden's Department of Justice

00:08:06.740 had all of these files

00:08:08.660 for four years.

00:08:10.560 Not one Democrat demanded

00:08:12.420 that they release all these files.

00:08:15.000 Not one Democrat demanded

00:08:16.640 that there be any sort

00:08:18.120 of public investigation

00:08:19.440 surrounding Epstein at all.

00:08:21.200 Again, Trump's DOJ

00:08:23.500 charged Epstein in 2019,

00:08:25.480 which led to his death

00:08:26.660 when he was eventually in custody.

00:08:28.660 Suicide, according to the FBI.

00:08:31.160 Biden's Department of Justice

00:08:32.480 had these files,

00:08:33.640 kept them private for four years,

00:08:35.480 did nothing with them,

00:08:36.820 and no Democrat

00:08:37.700 made any demands whatsoever.

00:08:40.180 So, why do I bring

00:08:41.680 both of those things up?

00:08:43.380 Do you think that

00:08:45.000 if there had been evidence

00:08:46.260 of criminal wrongdoing

00:08:48.160 that Biden's DOJ

00:08:49.260 wouldn't have charged Trump

00:08:50.800 in a heartbeat,

00:08:51.960 they tried to bankrupt

00:08:52.760 and imprison him

00:08:53.760 for the rest of his life?

00:08:55.580 Can I just add to this?

00:08:56.360 I don't want to stop your flow.

00:08:57.860 They made up crimes

00:08:59.020 to charge him with

00:09:00.020 on other things.

00:09:01.040 You don't think

00:09:01.580 that they would love

00:09:02.200 to nail him as a sex criminal?

00:09:03.900 They would have killed MAGA

00:09:05.500 as a movement

00:09:06.360 in one fell swoop.

00:09:08.020 No, of course

00:09:08.740 they didn't have anything on him.

00:09:10.060 So, again,

00:09:10.580 Trump's DOJ charged Epstein.

00:09:12.160 Biden's DOJ

00:09:12.940 had these files private

00:09:14.020 for four years.

00:09:15.360 Not one Democrat

00:09:16.240 said anything.

00:09:16.960 I think you need to be smart

00:09:18.260 and I think you need

00:09:18.940 to ask yourself,

00:09:19.820 wait a minute,

00:09:20.740 why now do all these Democrats

00:09:22.740 claim that they care

00:09:23.860 so much about Jeffrey Epstein

00:09:25.140 when they didn't say

00:09:25.840 one word

00:09:26.600 when Biden's Department of Justice

00:09:28.080 had all these files

00:09:28.940 for four years

00:09:29.700 because Trump is right.

00:09:31.360 It's being used

00:09:32.320 as a way to attack Trump

00:09:34.060 and they're using

00:09:35.140 a lot of Trump supporters

00:09:37.020 as the fuel

00:09:38.400 under which they are

00:09:39.560 making these attacks.

00:09:40.660 I just think

00:09:41.260 it might make some people

00:09:42.340 uncomfortable.

00:09:43.060 We'll open up phone lines,

00:09:44.980 but that is the reality

00:09:46.180 of where we are right now.

00:09:48.160 I also think, Buck,

00:09:49.480 we're dealing with

00:09:50.600 a me-too-like

00:09:52.340 feeding frenzy.

00:09:53.800 I'll give you an example.

00:09:55.400 Howard Lutnick,

00:09:56.280 whatever you think about him,

00:09:57.860 and I don't know

00:09:58.500 Howard Lutnick

00:09:59.260 personally,

00:10:00.580 he took his family

00:10:01.840 on a boat

00:10:03.180 and his kids

00:10:04.720 to have lunch

00:10:05.580 with Jeffrey Epstein

00:10:06.700 in the Caribbean.

00:10:08.100 You might not like that,

00:10:09.640 but the idea

00:10:10.400 that he's in some way

00:10:11.460 engaged in some sort of

00:10:13.320 nefarious underage

00:10:15.140 sex ring

00:10:15.920 when he took

00:10:16.760 his own children

00:10:17.580 and his wife

00:10:18.420 to have lunch

00:10:19.280 on the Caribbean island

00:10:21.400 when he was on a boat

00:10:22.540 in the Caribbean.

00:10:23.920 If your name is in there,

00:10:26.480 it's a feeding frenzy

00:10:27.620 like the me-too thing

00:10:28.780 where people don't actually

00:10:29.760 look at the accusations

00:10:31.300 and details themselves.

00:10:32.900 But also,

00:10:33.740 this is why

00:10:34.280 the dishonesty

00:10:35.600 of Democrats about this,

00:10:36.880 the Epstein list,

00:10:38.900 when you're really

00:10:39.820 looking at

00:10:40.560 who knew

00:10:42.080 about his criminal conviction

00:10:43.840 and that he was a scumbag

00:10:45.820 and that there was stuff here

00:10:47.220 because they spent

00:10:47.920 a lot of time with him

00:10:49.220 and they really liked him.

00:10:50.900 It is a who's who

00:10:52.140 of Democrats.

00:10:53.940 It's a who's who

00:10:55.400 of Democrats

00:10:56.340 on the Epstein list

00:10:57.200 and all they are trying

00:10:58.540 to do is go

00:10:59.140 Trump,

00:10:59.520 Trump,

00:10:59.820 Trump,

00:11:00.080 Trump.

00:11:00.380 They are running

00:11:01.400 a propaganda op,

00:11:03.460 my friends.

00:11:04.400 This is why

00:11:04.880 you have to get

00:11:05.520 to manufacturing delusion

00:11:06.940 because I explain

00:11:08.020 in the propaganda chapter

00:11:09.480 exactly the tactics

00:11:11.880 that they are using here.

00:11:13.460 It doesn't matter

00:11:14.120 what the facts are.

00:11:15.320 It doesn't matter

00:11:15.920 what's really in the files.

00:11:17.160 They are going

00:11:17.760 fire hose of falsehood.

00:11:19.840 This is all about Trump

00:11:21.240 and Clay,

00:11:21.920 to your point,

00:11:22.420 this is very important.

00:11:23.560 They are setting

00:11:24.240 Trump's own supporters

00:11:25.620 after him

00:11:27.200 and after his people

00:11:28.620 on this

00:11:29.280 for months now.

00:11:32.300 And, you know,

00:11:32.640 we've been fielding

00:11:33.580 a lot of the angry

00:11:34.360 emails and calls too.

00:11:35.480 First of all,

00:11:36.020 like,

00:11:36.960 where'd you guys

00:11:38.000 sit here in t-shirts

00:11:39.320 talking about things?

00:11:40.180 Like,

00:11:40.280 I have no power

00:11:41.000 to release DOJ files.

00:11:42.760 I'm glad that they've

00:11:43.640 released the files,

00:11:44.220 but I want to point

00:11:44.840 something out.

00:11:46.020 Now what's happened

00:11:46.980 is that there are

00:11:48.020 a lot of people

00:11:48.880 who are,

00:11:50.600 you know,

00:11:52.000 they're being

00:11:52.800 essentially smeared

00:11:54.180 for any association

00:11:55.920 with Epstein whatsoever.

00:11:56.720 I'm talking about

00:11:57.320 a pretty de minimis one.

00:11:59.120 I mean,

00:11:59.320 imagine in the P. Diddy case.

00:12:00.760 Think of all the people

00:12:01.520 P. Diddy.

00:12:02.500 P. Diddy,

00:12:03.080 what he was doing

00:12:03.680 was disgusting.

00:12:04.660 He's a disgraceful deviant

00:12:06.020 who's now in prison.

00:12:06.900 There are some people

00:12:08.640 that knew

00:12:09.600 and that participated

00:12:10.580 and that were probably

00:12:11.660 complicit in his crimes,

00:12:12.940 and there were a lot

00:12:13.920 of people who went

00:12:14.600 to his fancy parties.

00:12:16.120 Is everybody

00:12:17.020 who is in P. Diddy's orbit

00:12:18.580 equally guilty?

00:12:20.380 No,

00:12:20.780 of course not.

00:12:21.760 But what you're seeing

00:12:22.340 with the Epstein thing

00:12:23.180 is a lot of selective

00:12:24.580 focusing of attention

00:12:26.960 on Trump,

00:12:28.560 on Lutnik,

00:12:29.540 irrespective of what

00:12:31.200 the facts actually show,

00:12:32.400 and I think this is what

00:12:33.220 Trump was concerned

00:12:33.980 about all along,

00:12:34.840 and he was right.

00:12:36.720 All of that is true.

00:12:38.020 I would add in

00:12:38.920 the reason why

00:12:40.460 a lot of people

00:12:41.200 aren't being honest

00:12:42.260 with you

00:12:42.880 across a lot of media

00:12:44.580 about this

00:12:45.640 is because

00:12:46.600 much like in Me Too,

00:12:49.080 if you speak out,

00:12:50.720 a lot of people

00:12:51.500 are afraid

00:12:52.120 that they're going

00:12:52.600 to become targets.

00:12:53.880 So there's a lot

00:12:54.540 of people out there

00:12:55.300 who agree with

00:12:56.100 100% of everything

00:12:57.520 that Buck and I

00:12:58.200 just said in media,

00:12:59.340 and they won't

00:13:00.220 tell it to you

00:13:01.220 because they're afraid

00:13:02.540 that suddenly

00:13:03.180 everybody's going

00:13:04.300 to target them.

00:13:05.180 Much like in Me Too,

00:13:06.420 I'll give you an example.

00:13:07.320 The Matt Damon one

00:13:08.080 was a good one.

00:13:08.780 Remember when Matt Damon

00:13:09.640 came out and said,

00:13:10.500 hey, you know,

00:13:11.800 there's a big difference

00:13:12.620 between grabbing

00:13:13.660 some woman's butt

00:13:15.300 at a party

00:13:16.060 and rape.

00:13:17.600 And we should keep

00:13:18.760 in mind that

00:13:19.420 every accusation

00:13:20.700 in Me Too

00:13:21.420 is not the same.

00:13:23.140 And remember,

00:13:23.560 he got ripped to shreds

00:13:24.880 by people in Hollywood

00:13:25.820 who said,

00:13:26.500 oh, no, no, no.

00:13:27.800 There is no difference.

00:13:29.340 Like, wait a minute.

00:13:31.300 The whole reason

00:13:32.080 we have a criminal

00:13:33.180 justice system

00:13:34.220 is because there

00:13:35.280 is a difference

00:13:36.140 between grabbing

00:13:37.380 a girl's butt

00:13:38.100 at a party

00:13:38.700 and actual rape.

00:13:40.600 And Matt Damon

00:13:41.120 tried to say that

00:13:42.000 in the middle of Me Too

00:13:42.960 and they ripped him

00:13:43.980 to shreds for it.

00:13:45.060 And a lot of other people

00:13:45.900 just said,

00:13:46.600 I'm not going to touch it

00:13:47.620 because I'm not

00:13:48.180 going to get targeted.

00:13:49.640 And this,

00:13:49.980 we're entering

00:13:50.620 moral panic phase

00:13:51.580 now with the Epstein thing.

00:13:52.940 You want more,

00:13:53.820 you know,

00:13:54.260 I don't know,

00:13:54.640 transparency even

00:13:55.360 would mean at this point.

00:13:56.200 I mean,

00:13:56.320 there's millions

00:13:56.720 that have people,

00:13:57.620 have people wanting

00:13:58.260 more transparency,

00:13:59.060 even read 10 of the files

00:14:01.060 that have been released.

00:14:01.920 I mean,

00:14:02.040 that's another question here.

00:14:03.820 But, you know,

00:14:04.880 if you want more answers,

00:14:05.920 that's I respect.

00:14:06.800 If you want to know

00:14:07.240 how the DOJ

00:14:07.980 screwed this up so badly

00:14:09.060 the first time around,

00:14:10.140 meaning the release

00:14:11.280 of the documents,

00:14:12.300 that was a total,

00:14:13.100 and we called them out

00:14:14.140 for that.

00:14:14.580 It was, you know,

00:14:15.460 a PR disaster.

00:14:17.040 But there's a difference

00:14:17.880 than a PR disaster

00:14:18.880 in being a pedo protector,

00:14:21.860 which is what I,

00:14:22.580 and I'm seeing people

00:14:23.800 on our,

00:14:25.040 at least ostensibly

00:14:26.060 on the right,

00:14:26.760 who are saying this

00:14:27.900 about some of the

00:14:29.080 top Trump people.

00:14:30.800 And I'm just like,

00:14:32.340 you know,

00:14:32.820 we know some of these people.

00:14:35.080 You know,

00:14:35.320 if you,

00:14:35.820 this is what I was trying to say,

00:14:37.140 even when there was

00:14:37.900 all that heat,

00:14:38.840 remember there was

00:14:39.220 all that heat

00:14:39.680 on our friend Dan Bongino

00:14:40.800 when he was doing this.

00:14:42.040 And we're like,

00:14:42.280 no guys,

00:14:42.820 he's trying.

00:14:43.460 I promise you he's trying.

00:14:44.940 If you think Dan Bongino

00:14:46.440 is protecting pedos,

00:14:48.180 you're a moron.

00:14:49.240 Okay?

00:14:49.840 He's not.

00:14:51.160 And I just have to speak

00:14:52.540 honestly to people about this.

00:14:53.620 If you think that's happening,

00:14:55.020 you are in the midst

00:14:57.020 of a manufactured delusion.

00:14:58.740 Okay?

00:14:59.260 None Dan 15 years.

00:15:01.200 Okay?

00:15:01.520 Trust me.

00:15:02.260 It's like the,

00:15:02.780 the last guy who's going to,

00:15:04.520 you know,

00:15:04.820 bend the knee on something

00:15:05.900 like that when it comes

00:15:07.060 to protecting kids.

00:15:08.200 Crazy.

00:15:09.120 But people are,

00:15:10.200 and Trump.

00:15:11.020 I just,

00:15:11.820 I start to lose with it.

00:15:12.620 So.

00:15:13.260 No,

00:15:13.440 but I think it's important.

00:15:14.380 So the Clinton thing

00:15:15.680 is going on.

00:15:16.560 We'll open up phone lines.

00:15:17.780 You can disagree

00:15:18.360 with everything we just said.

00:15:19.780 We are right.

00:15:21.020 And I understand

00:15:21.920 that the Trump administration

00:15:23.380 has not been perfect.

00:15:24.580 Pam Bondi,

00:15:25.620 the biggest mishap

00:15:27.040 of year one

00:15:28.140 was Pam Bondi

00:15:28.960 trying to answer questions

00:15:30.140 about this.

00:15:31.120 And there are lots of people

00:15:32.380 in media

00:15:32.860 who have tried to convince

00:15:34.700 a lot of people

00:15:35.980 that there's some sort of

00:15:37.880 pedophile ring

00:15:39.060 that's running around

00:15:40.020 and everything else.

00:15:40.920 The evidence shows

00:15:41.920 that there were a lot

00:15:43.120 of rich guys

00:15:43.760 that wanted access

00:15:44.640 to 20 year old models.

00:15:46.720 I mean,

00:15:46.880 that's like 90%

00:15:48.320 of the women related email.

00:15:49.820 And that doesn't make you

00:15:50.500 a bad,

00:15:51.160 evil,

00:15:51.740 criminal person.

00:15:52.640 If you want to be

00:15:53.500 with a 25-year-old

00:15:55.320 Victoria's Secret model,

00:15:56.760 you're like 90%

00:15:57.960 of single guys

00:15:59.620 in America,

00:16:00.580 okay?

00:16:01.380 There's nothing wrong

00:16:02.600 with that.

00:16:03.280 You might think

00:16:03.740 it's skeevy

00:16:04.280 if you're a married guy

00:16:05.340 or something.

00:16:05.740 That's different.

00:16:07.100 But, you know,

00:16:07.720 we just need to have

00:16:08.560 these distinctions.

00:16:09.320 All right.

00:16:10.040 I know.

00:16:10.640 Take the calls.

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00:17:58.320 Continue to take your calls

00:17:59.540 and your talkbacks.

00:18:01.580 President Trump

00:18:02.680 just stopped

00:18:03.680 to talk with the media

00:18:05.300 on his way

00:18:06.240 to the helicopter.

00:18:07.860 He is headed

00:18:08.580 to the state

00:18:09.640 of Texas

00:18:10.600 to have a rally

00:18:12.000 in advance

00:18:13.160 of the

00:18:14.320 big primary

00:18:15.560 happening in Texas

00:18:16.860 on Tuesday.

00:18:18.360 Yesterday,

00:18:19.020 we took a lot

00:18:19.940 of calls

00:18:20.340 from Texans

00:18:21.120 who are voting

00:18:21.840 for Jasmine Crockett

00:18:23.260 in the Democrat

00:18:25.100 primary.

00:18:26.160 Today,

00:18:26.960 I will announce

00:18:28.300 that we have,

00:18:29.520 unlike Stephen Colbert,

00:18:31.080 actually offered

00:18:32.340 Jasmine Crockett

00:18:33.760 an opportunity

00:18:34.520 to come on

00:18:35.440 this program

00:18:36.060 and explain

00:18:36.760 to all of you

00:18:37.580 why she would be

00:18:38.360 the best choice

00:18:39.240 for Texas voters.

00:18:41.440 We will see

00:18:42.740 whether or not

00:18:43.640 she is willing

00:18:44.400 to come on,

00:18:45.520 but unlike

00:18:46.220 the awful racist

00:18:47.820 Stephen Colbert

00:18:48.740 who tried to rig

00:18:49.860 the Texas Democrat

00:18:50.840 primary in favor

00:18:52.220 of the white man,

00:18:54.180 Buck and I

00:18:54.680 are offering

00:18:55.240 a proud black woman

00:18:56.940 an opportunity

00:18:57.640 to convince all of you

00:18:58.880 why she is the perfect

00:18:59.880 voice for Texas.

00:19:00.840 We will see

00:19:01.480 if she accepts

00:19:02.160 our offer.

00:19:05.100 We have been

00:19:06.440 talking about

00:19:07.040 the fact that

00:19:08.020 we have

00:19:09.280 a deposition

00:19:11.880 going on

00:19:13.060 right now

00:19:13.700 of former

00:19:14.680 President Clinton

00:19:16.200 relating to

00:19:17.380 Epstein.

00:19:18.400 President Trump

00:19:19.380 just weighed in

00:19:20.360 on that,

00:19:20.940 and again,

00:19:21.420 there are a lot

00:19:22.360 of news stories

00:19:23.840 out there,

00:19:25.200 and we will

00:19:27.920 dive into

00:19:29.000 his comments

00:19:30.580 shortly

00:19:31.220 as we're going

00:19:31.820 to be grabbing

00:19:32.400 those,

00:19:33.320 but again,

00:19:34.080 big primary

00:19:34.680 going on

00:19:35.360 in Texas.

00:19:35.900 Let's see.

00:19:39.780 This is Hurley

00:19:40.980 in Lincoln,

00:19:42.180 Nebraska,

00:19:42.800 many different

00:19:43.480 talkbacks

00:19:44.080 on KFAB

00:19:45.660 in Omaha.

00:19:47.400 Let's listen

00:19:48.140 to Cut J.

00:19:49.620 Before you guys

00:19:50.500 waste another day

00:19:51.520 talking about fluff

00:19:52.660 that none of us

00:19:53.320 can do anything

00:19:53.980 about,

00:19:54.960 get your listeners

00:19:56.460 to call their

00:19:57.980 senators

00:19:58.400 and to call

00:19:59.420 John Thune

00:20:00.120 and to tell them

00:20:01.260 to get the

00:20:01.960 SAVE Act

00:20:02.660 passed now.

00:20:04.300 Do something

00:20:04.820 that can actually

00:20:05.540 save America

00:20:06.320 for a change?

00:20:08.120 For a change.

00:20:09.760 I like that idea,

00:20:11.020 except it still

00:20:11.580 isn't going to

00:20:12.060 happen because

00:20:12.800 Thune's not going

00:20:13.540 to do it

00:20:14.020 because they're

00:20:14.360 not going to

00:20:14.860 get rid of

00:20:15.280 the filibuster.

00:20:16.000 They're not

00:20:16.240 going to pass

00:20:16.740 the SAVE Act.

00:20:17.780 I think the SAVE Act

00:20:18.720 should be passed.

00:20:20.780 I do too.

00:20:21.280 Do you think

00:20:21.900 there's any

00:20:22.260 realistic prospect

00:20:23.040 for it to be passed?

00:20:23.960 Absolutely not.

00:20:25.760 They're not going

00:20:26.460 to do away with it.

00:20:27.120 Look,

00:20:27.320 right now

00:20:27.960 in the Senate,

00:20:29.080 unless you can

00:20:29.720 get 60 votes,

00:20:31.120 nothing happens.

00:20:32.720 Unless you can

00:20:33.920 get 60 votes,

00:20:35.580 unless they do

00:20:36.620 away with the

00:20:37.240 filibuster,

00:20:37.860 which they're

00:20:38.240 not willing to

00:20:38.840 do.

00:20:39.180 We'd have to

00:20:40.500 call Thune

00:20:40.980 and say,

00:20:41.400 Thune,

00:20:41.700 get rid of

00:20:41.980 the filibuster

00:20:42.540 for the SAVE Act

00:20:44.080 because otherwise

00:20:44.640 they'll just say,

00:20:45.580 with the filibuster

00:20:46.700 it's not happening,

00:20:48.080 and so we go

00:20:49.380 back to square one.

00:20:51.540 Not to put a

00:20:52.600 damper on things,

00:20:53.320 I appreciate the

00:20:53.920 gentleman's spirit,

00:20:54.800 but you're saying

00:20:55.700 do something we

00:20:56.540 can actually do

00:20:57.060 something about?

00:20:58.120 That doesn't

00:20:58.680 really count for

00:20:59.240 the SAVE Act,

00:20:59.760 but we'll try.

00:21:01.060 We can reach

00:21:01.620 out to Thune

00:21:02.160 and let him

00:21:02.540 know that we

00:21:03.000 think he should

00:21:03.780 actually pass

00:21:04.680 this bill.

00:21:05.240 He will not

00:21:05.740 come on the

00:21:06.240 show,

00:21:06.600 ladies and

00:21:07.000 gentlemen,

00:21:07.300 just so you

00:21:07.600 know,

00:21:07.760 we have

00:21:08.000 invited him

00:21:08.540 multiple times,

00:21:09.280 he will not

00:21:09.740 come on this

00:21:10.200 program.

00:21:11.180 He declined

00:21:11.800 to come on,

00:21:12.460 which is kind

00:21:13.220 of a sign.

00:21:13.660 Straight up,

00:21:13.980 no,

00:21:14.180 not coming on.

00:21:15.280 What's that

00:21:15.640 all about?

00:21:16.640 Interesting.

00:21:17.680 We're so nice.

00:21:18.580 I think he's

00:21:18.940 scared of Clay.

00:21:19.620 I think he's

00:21:20.140 scared to get

00:21:20.660 pensed by Clay.

00:21:22.820 Could be true.

00:21:25.400 Let's see here.

00:21:26.640 Is it Taller

00:21:27.460 Talar from

00:21:28.680 San Diego?

00:21:30.200 Furious.

00:21:31.140 Stop covering

00:21:32.120 up for

00:21:32.840 pedophiles.

00:21:34.120 All right.

00:21:34.700 We're pedophiles.

00:21:35.760 Here's Cut K.

00:21:37.100 This is the last

00:21:37.880 day I can ever

00:21:38.580 listen to your

00:21:39.560 show because I

00:21:40.460 can't believe,

00:21:41.540 I can't believe

00:21:42.380 you're part of

00:21:42.980 this whole cover

00:21:43.820 up.

00:21:44.080 Oh,

00:21:44.260 nothing happened.

00:21:45.600 Really?

00:21:46.320 Go look at

00:21:46.920 the damn

00:21:47.820 files.

00:21:49.180 Stop talking

00:21:50.020 dumb and covering

00:21:50.880 up for these

00:21:51.640 pedophiles unless

00:21:52.620 you're one too.

00:21:53.580 What does that

00:21:56.400 even mean?

00:21:57.720 First of all,

00:21:58.560 when did we say

00:21:59.020 nothing happened?

00:21:59.960 Did she not,

00:22:01.500 whatever the lady's

00:22:02.720 name is,

00:22:03.080 it's a lady,

00:22:03.460 right?

00:22:04.320 Yes,

00:22:04.780 I think so.

00:22:05.280 It sounded like

00:22:05.820 a lady.

00:22:06.400 You never know

00:22:07.380 these days.

00:22:07.780 I said Jeffrey

00:22:11.080 Epstein is dead

00:22:12.880 because he was

00:22:14.200 facing the rest

00:22:14.840 of his life in

00:22:15.460 prison for being

00:22:16.520 a pedophile and

00:22:17.400 for having child

00:22:18.240 sexual abuse

00:22:19.580 material, huge

00:22:20.900 amounts of it.

00:22:21.920 I mean, he was

00:22:22.340 going to prison

00:22:22.760 for the rest of

00:22:23.240 his life, no

00:22:24.060 ifs, ands, or

00:22:25.100 buts.

00:22:25.720 He's a bad guy.

00:22:26.680 We all get that.

00:22:27.280 He's a bad guy.

00:22:28.480 She's saying

00:22:28.860 covering up for

00:22:29.480 pedophiles.

00:22:30.240 Who?

00:22:31.120 Yes.

00:22:32.360 Who are we

00:22:34.240 covering up for?

00:22:34.960 Who?

00:22:35.280 I just want to

00:22:35.840 know the name.

00:22:36.580 And by the way,

00:22:37.060 anyone says,

00:22:37.460 oh, but why

00:22:37.960 don't you look

00:22:38.300 into, why

00:22:39.600 won't the

00:22:40.080 victims, the

00:22:41.880 victims, in

00:22:42.600 some cases, you

00:22:43.760 sit here, you

00:22:44.180 go, okay, well

00:22:44.900 victim of what

00:22:45.560 exactly?

00:22:46.100 Are you of

00:22:46.500 age or are

00:22:47.240 you underage?

00:22:48.060 There's a big

00:22:48.860 distinction that

00:22:49.640 is made in law

00:22:50.740 and should be

00:22:51.500 made in the

00:22:52.180 discourse about

00:22:52.940 this as well.

00:22:55.220 Who did, who

00:22:56.260 violated any of

00:22:57.240 the victims that

00:22:57.720 we don't know

00:22:58.160 about?

00:22:58.380 They should tell

00:22:58.920 us.

00:22:59.620 If they're not

00:23:00.360 willing to tell

00:23:00.900 us, what are

00:23:01.580 we supposed to

00:23:02.060 make of that,

00:23:02.640 Clay?

00:23:03.920 No, I, I,

00:23:04.840 look, I, I

00:23:06.480 do not know,

00:23:07.260 and have

00:23:07.640 never met

00:23:08.300 anyone that

00:23:10.760 would cover

00:23:11.560 up any sort

00:23:13.540 of crime

00:23:14.800 against a

00:23:15.280 child.

00:23:16.180 I haven't, I

00:23:17.220 haven't ever met

00:23:17.980 anyone that would

00:23:18.980 do that in my

00:23:20.000 own life.

00:23:20.660 I don't know

00:23:21.920 Pam Bondi

00:23:22.580 personally.

00:23:23.600 We do know

00:23:24.600 President Trump

00:23:25.480 pretty well.

00:23:26.360 J.D. Vance

00:23:27.140 pretty well.

00:23:27.760 Marco Rubio

00:23:28.540 pretty well.

00:23:29.160 A lot of people

00:23:29.680 in the Pete

00:23:30.080 Hegseth, a lot

00:23:30.760 of people in

00:23:31.120 that administration.

00:23:32.780 They would

00:23:33.680 crawl over

00:23:34.640 broken glass

00:23:35.960 to prosecute

00:23:38.040 people who

00:23:39.240 are in

00:23:41.680 any way

00:23:42.480 engaging in

00:23:43.400 crimes against

00:23:44.080 children.

00:23:45.160 Dan Bongino,

00:23:46.320 Cash Patel,

00:23:46.960 whoever you want

00:23:47.760 to name

00:23:48.960 there.

00:23:49.860 So, if

00:23:51.280 you're alleging

00:23:52.140 that there are

00:23:53.140 child sex

00:23:54.340 crimes that

00:23:55.060 have occurred

00:23:55.700 and people

00:23:56.260 are being

00:23:56.840 protected,

00:23:58.140 then the

00:23:58.600 people who

00:23:59.280 are doing

00:23:59.980 the protecting

00:24:00.740 are also

00:24:02.200 guilty of

00:24:02.860 crimes.

00:24:04.140 That's not

00:24:05.020 true.

00:24:06.040 That's not

00:24:06.720 happening.

00:24:07.540 And I

00:24:07.860 understand people

00:24:08.700 get fired up

00:24:09.800 because there

00:24:11.340 has been,

00:24:12.600 frankly, a lot

00:24:13.540 of people who've

00:24:14.240 made a lot of

00:24:14.980 money arguing

00:24:16.500 that there's

00:24:18.280 a huge

00:24:18.780 child sex

00:24:19.560 ring and

00:24:20.260 Jeffrey Epstein

00:24:21.060 was leading

00:24:22.060 it and all

00:24:22.880 these famous

00:24:23.440 people are

00:24:24.140 involved.

00:24:25.000 Even with all

00:24:25.960 these emails

00:24:26.480 coming out,

00:24:28.160 what has been

00:24:29.480 shown,

00:24:30.440 clearly,

00:24:31.240 is that Epstein

00:24:32.020 used attractive

00:24:33.120 women to

00:24:34.500 engage in

00:24:36.140 opportunities to

00:24:38.260 build a network

00:24:39.080 for business

00:24:39.760 for his own

00:24:41.420 benefit.

00:24:42.400 I don't think

00:24:42.820 there's any doubt

00:24:43.360 about that.

00:24:43.820 But what

00:24:45.200 has not been

00:24:45.820 shown is

00:24:46.920 that there

00:24:47.260 was some

00:24:47.680 sort of

00:24:48.040 illicit trade

00:24:48.960 going on

00:24:49.600 in underage

00:24:50.380 women.

00:24:50.880 Most of

00:24:51.500 the women

00:24:52.040 mentioned in

00:24:53.340 any relation

00:24:54.260 to Epstein

00:24:55.040 were of

00:24:55.740 age.

00:24:56.960 And if

00:24:57.520 they have

00:24:58.180 evidence of

00:24:58.860 crimes,

00:24:59.780 they have

00:25:00.880 the ability

00:25:01.500 to go

00:25:02.240 forward and

00:25:03.260 make their

00:25:03.720 allegations

00:25:04.340 publicly.

00:25:05.280 They have

00:25:05.980 the obligation

00:25:06.740 to do so.

00:25:09.360 They have

00:25:10.080 been paid,

00:25:10.700 again,

00:25:11.540 hundreds of

00:25:12.180 millions of

00:25:12.760 dollars,

00:25:13.180 in settlement

00:25:15.900 money from

00:25:16.520 the Epstein

00:25:17.000 and from

00:25:18.400 banks.

00:25:19.480 People say,

00:25:20.160 again,

00:25:20.400 I want to

00:25:20.940 reiterate,

00:25:21.560 NDAs are

00:25:22.200 not enforceable

00:25:24.940 here.

00:25:25.380 You're not

00:25:25.660 going to see

00:25:26.020 somebody lose

00:25:26.760 whatever money

00:25:27.340 they already

00:25:27.900 got.

00:25:29.380 They have an

00:25:30.180 obligation to

00:25:30.920 speak and

00:25:31.560 tell us who

00:25:32.420 committed crimes

00:25:33.320 against them

00:25:33.940 or who they

00:25:34.520 saw committing

00:25:35.240 crimes,

00:25:36.120 even if they

00:25:36.620 weren't the

00:25:37.080 actual victim.

00:25:38.480 They won't do

00:25:39.140 it.

00:25:39.560 And so,

00:25:39.920 again,

00:25:40.280 what is

00:25:41.700 actually going

00:25:42.380 on here?

00:25:43.560 Democrats

00:25:44.080 have recognized

00:25:45.700 that they

00:25:46.840 can attack

00:25:47.540 President Trump

00:25:48.600 over this

00:25:49.520 and they

00:25:50.420 are going

00:25:50.840 to attack

00:25:51.420 President Trump

00:25:52.400 all the way

00:25:53.520 through the

00:25:54.160 rest of the

00:25:54.780 year because

00:25:55.940 they believe

00:25:56.680 they get

00:25:57.120 political benefit

00:25:58.000 from it.

00:25:58.940 But I'm

00:25:59.500 asking you

00:26:00.100 to just

00:26:00.480 think about

00:26:01.000 it.

00:26:01.260 Just rationally

00:26:02.540 think about

00:26:03.060 this for a

00:26:03.580 minute.

00:26:04.300 Trump's DOJ

00:26:05.340 is who

00:26:06.080 charged

00:26:06.720 Jeffrey Epstein

00:26:07.580 in 2019.

00:26:09.540 Joe Biden's

00:26:10.620 Department of

00:26:11.140 Justice had

00:26:11.740 all of this,

00:26:13.140 all of this

00:26:14.160 information,

00:26:14.740 and they

00:26:15.800 didn't do

00:26:16.160 anything for

00:26:16.760 four years,

00:26:17.640 and now

00:26:18.020 Democrats are

00:26:19.060 trying to

00:26:19.600 attack Trump

00:26:20.280 over the

00:26:20.820 Epstein

00:26:21.160 files.

00:26:22.220 Use your

00:26:23.180 brains.

00:26:24.180 It doesn't

00:26:24.780 add up.

00:26:25.700 Also, I

00:26:26.500 would just

00:26:26.740 say the

00:26:27.140 throwing around

00:26:28.000 things like

00:26:28.760 pedo protector

00:26:29.560 or even

00:26:31.440 just calling

00:26:31.920 someone a

00:26:32.780 pedo without

00:26:34.000 any basis

00:26:34.680 whatsoever,

00:26:35.420 it's just

00:26:35.880 the most

00:26:36.400 pathetic

00:26:38.320 and gross

00:26:40.180 attack on

00:26:41.140 a person

00:26:41.600 you can

00:26:42.060 possibly

00:26:42.520 make.

00:26:43.600 It's like

00:26:44.140 calling someone

00:26:45.000 a rapist.

00:26:46.360 Or a

00:26:46.720 racist.

00:26:47.240 Or racist,

00:26:47.800 yeah.

00:26:48.580 Those words

00:26:49.300 have lost

00:26:49.940 their pop

00:26:51.900 because they've

00:26:53.020 been so

00:26:53.500 overused.

00:26:55.460 Calling

00:26:55.940 random people

00:26:57.000 pedophiles is

00:26:58.760 not a way to

00:26:59.760 actually catch

00:27:00.560 pedophiles.

00:27:01.300 Just like

00:27:01.760 calling people

00:27:02.460 racist is not

00:27:03.520 a way to

00:27:04.000 actually address

00:27:05.100 racism.

00:27:06.400 And so

00:27:07.120 again, I

00:27:08.260 think you

00:27:08.620 have to

00:27:09.020 work through

00:27:09.560 this.

00:27:10.900 President

00:27:11.420 Trump is

00:27:12.260 being attacked

00:27:13.260 by Democrats

00:27:14.220 who are not

00:27:15.100 operating in

00:27:15.860 good faith.

00:27:16.620 Here's what I

00:27:17.040 think too,

00:27:17.580 Buck.

00:27:18.280 I think

00:27:18.860 Bill and

00:27:19.540 Hillary Clinton

00:27:20.220 being deposed

00:27:21.320 I think is

00:27:23.180 setting the

00:27:23.620 table.

00:27:24.020 I'm just

00:27:24.220 going to tell

00:27:24.600 you where I

00:27:25.100 think this

00:27:25.440 is going

00:27:25.700 to go.

00:27:27.520 Republicans,

00:27:28.460 I mean,

00:27:28.600 sorry,

00:27:28.840 Democrats are

00:27:29.560 going to

00:27:29.800 start arguing

00:27:30.620 we need to

00:27:31.620 have President

00:27:32.400 Trump and

00:27:33.140 Melania under

00:27:34.220 oath talking

00:27:34.940 about the

00:27:35.380 Epstein files

00:27:36.080 too.

00:27:36.400 So, of

00:27:37.080 course, for

00:27:37.480 those of you

00:27:38.000 out there who

00:27:38.500 are like,

00:27:38.940 oh, they're

00:27:39.180 going to get

00:27:39.520 Hillary, oh,

00:27:40.240 they're going

00:27:40.480 to get Bill

00:27:41.080 Clinton, this

00:27:41.600 is going to

00:27:42.020 end it,

00:27:43.180 actually flip

00:27:44.080 it.

00:27:44.640 If Democrats

00:27:45.220 take back

00:27:45.760 control of

00:27:46.180 the House,

00:27:46.760 they're going

00:27:47.300 to demand

00:27:47.840 that President

00:27:48.480 Trump and

00:27:49.260 Melania testify

00:27:50.380 under oath

00:27:51.480 about Epstein,

00:27:52.840 just like Bill

00:27:53.540 and Hillary

00:27:53.940 Clinton.

00:27:54.340 They're already

00:27:54.680 doing this.

00:27:55.800 This is cut

00:27:57.040 four.

00:27:57.580 This is Ro

00:27:58.180 Conner out

00:27:59.300 of California

00:28:00.060 in Congress.

00:28:01.120 Play four.

00:28:01.520 A new

00:28:04.540 precedent has

00:28:05.620 been set in

00:28:06.320 America today.

00:28:07.620 Before this, we

00:28:08.160 had the Trump

00:28:08.740 rule.

00:28:09.520 Trump defied, as

00:28:10.460 all of you know,

00:28:11.460 a congressional

00:28:12.040 subpoena with the

00:28:12.840 January 6th

00:28:13.800 committee.

00:28:14.540 He said

00:28:14.960 presidents don't

00:28:15.760 have to testify.

00:28:17.260 Now we have the

00:28:18.060 Clinton rule, which

00:28:19.200 is that presidents

00:28:20.180 and their families

00:28:20.940 have to testify

00:28:22.020 when Congress

00:28:23.440 issues a subpoena.

00:28:24.520 And that means

00:28:25.580 that Donald Trump

00:28:26.340 needs to come

00:28:26.880 before our

00:28:27.900 committee and

00:28:28.580 explain what

00:28:29.980 he knew about

00:28:30.700 Epstein and

00:28:31.340 explain why we

00:28:32.640 have not had a

00:28:33.460 full release of

00:28:34.240 the documents.

00:28:36.900 There you go.

00:28:37.880 This is where

00:28:37.960 it's headed.

00:28:38.720 So expect that

00:28:40.360 as we get

00:28:41.060 closer to the

00:28:42.240 midterms now,

00:28:43.640 they are going

00:28:44.180 to argue we've

00:28:45.380 got to have

00:28:45.880 President Trump

00:28:46.840 under oath.

00:28:47.780 Why won't he

00:28:48.380 go under oath?

00:28:49.200 We got to have

00:28:49.680 Melania under

00:28:50.580 oath.

00:28:51.080 Why will she

00:28:51.680 not go under

00:28:52.420 oath?

00:28:53.360 Again, I think

00:28:54.460 they are playing

00:28:55.280 Democrats are

00:28:56.360 chess.

00:28:57.180 It has nothing

00:28:58.000 to do, nothing

00:28:59.880 whatsoever to do

00:29:01.060 with the Epstein

00:29:01.740 case at all.

00:29:02.600 It is just

00:29:03.540 Epstein and his

00:29:04.920 and his awfulness

00:29:06.980 being used as a

00:29:08.740 lever to attack

00:29:10.480 President Trump.

00:29:11.440 And a lot of

00:29:12.280 Trump supporters

00:29:13.100 are playing into

00:29:14.560 this.

00:29:15.140 And I just think

00:29:16.300 you need to

00:29:16.800 understand what's

00:29:17.940 actually going on.

00:29:19.020 Do you really

00:29:19.580 believe?

00:29:20.700 Do you really

00:29:21.220 believe that

00:29:21.640 Democrats who

00:29:22.260 didn't say a

00:29:22.840 word for four

00:29:23.700 years when

00:29:24.280 Biden was in

00:29:25.060 office are

00:29:26.140 really desperately

00:29:27.080 concerned about

00:29:28.360 justice relating

00:29:29.440 to Epstein in

00:29:30.340 any way?

00:29:31.500 Of course not.

00:29:33.060 They are just

00:29:33.820 they see it as

00:29:34.640 an opportunity to

00:29:35.680 attack President

00:29:36.460 Trump and try to

00:29:37.580 keep him from

00:29:38.740 being able to

00:29:39.800 have success

00:29:41.400 going forward.

00:29:42.100 President Trump

00:29:42.620 just said.

00:29:43.820 We can talk.

00:29:44.960 Trump just spoke.

00:29:46.120 We'll get to some

00:29:46.500 of those sound

00:29:46.920 bites here in a

00:29:47.480 second.

00:29:47.780 let's bring this

00:29:51.100 up right into the

00:29:51.640 news cycle and

00:29:52.780 then we can leave

00:29:53.340 the kind of

00:29:53.700 Epstein conspiracy

00:29:54.740 theorizing.

00:29:57.140 It's just

00:29:57.660 exhausting at this

00:29:59.120 point.

00:29:59.600 I don't know what

00:30:00.340 else to say about

00:30:01.060 it.

00:30:02.220 We sit here.

00:30:04.100 There's a big

00:30:04.720 portion of

00:30:06.060 MAGA that wants

00:30:07.460 to talk about

00:30:08.020 this and only

00:30:08.860 this.

00:30:09.520 And if you don't

00:30:09.940 talk about this

00:30:10.760 you're covering up

00:30:11.740 for pedophiles.

00:30:13.000 And then there are a

00:30:13.420 lot of other people

00:30:13.940 who are like I'm

00:30:14.560 trying to live my

00:30:15.040 life here and

00:30:15.600 there's other

00:30:15.900 things going on

00:30:16.760 and none of this

00:30:17.480 is going to amount

00:30:18.260 to anything anyway

00:30:19.100 of any meaning in

00:30:21.000 terms of this

00:30:21.480 document release.

00:30:22.780 So that's this is

00:30:24.360 what we're stuck in

00:30:25.420 the middle of and

00:30:25.920 too many Republican

00:30:26.780 politicians play are

00:30:28.260 scared of their own

00:30:29.580 voters to just tell

00:30:31.000 them this is the

00:30:31.900 deal guys.

00:30:32.580 This is where it is

00:30:33.060 now.

00:30:33.740 OK.

00:30:34.480 They just don't want

00:30:35.420 to deal with the

00:30:35.860 heat.

00:30:36.320 Yeah.

00:30:36.480 They're afraid of

00:30:37.060 the heat.

00:30:37.480 Is this Ali is

00:30:38.540 this Bill is this

00:30:39.640 Trump talking about

00:30:40.500 Bill Clinton right

00:30:41.260 now.

00:30:41.640 Is that cut 26 or

00:30:42.840 is this a different

00:30:43.460 cut.

00:30:44.160 Here is Trump just

00:30:45.260 now.

00:30:46.140 There's a little

00:30:46.840 bit of audio

00:30:48.820 issue in the

00:30:49.960 background because

00:30:50.800 he's about to get

00:30:51.440 on a helicopter.

00:30:52.820 But here is

00:30:53.500 President Trump

00:30:54.380 talking about Bill

00:30:55.320 Clinton under under

00:30:57.380 the deposition cut

00:30:58.660 26.

00:30:59.820 I don't like seeing

00:31:00.680 him deposed.

00:31:01.860 But they certainly

00:31:04.180 went after me a lot

00:31:05.420 more than that.

00:31:07.140 I don't like it.

00:31:08.660 So Trump saying if

00:31:11.480 you couldn't hear

00:31:11.960 that I don't like

00:31:13.020 seeing him deposed

00:31:14.080 but they certainly

00:31:14.840 went after me a lot

00:31:16.700 more than that.

00:31:18.240 Why do you think

00:31:18.660 President Trump

00:31:19.400 doesn't President

00:31:20.200 Trump smart enough

00:31:20.780 to see this.

00:31:22.000 He knows that Bill

00:31:23.000 and Hillary Clinton

00:31:23.880 that Democrats the

00:31:25.500 reason why they

00:31:26.360 voted to allow Bill

00:31:27.920 and Hillary Clinton

00:31:28.660 to be deposed is

00:31:29.460 they don't have

00:31:29.760 anything to lose.

00:31:30.380 What do they care

00:31:30.760 about Bill and

00:31:31.200 Hillary Clinton now.

00:31:32.280 They want to set

00:31:33.240 the precedent that

00:31:34.180 now President Trump

00:31:35.280 and Melania have to

00:31:36.240 go under oath and

00:31:37.680 be deposed.

00:31:38.380 How do you think

00:31:38.800 MSNBC is going to

00:31:39.900 cover that.

00:31:40.520 How do you think

00:31:41.060 it's going to be

00:31:41.500 covered by by CNN

00:31:43.940 again I'm just

00:31:45.780 telling you exactly

00:31:46.660 where this is going.

00:31:48.000 It's not going to

00:31:48.860 a place where people

00:31:50.440 are getting prosecuted.

00:31:51.640 It's going to be

00:31:52.400 political 100% from

00:31:54.320 here on out.

00:31:55.060 I also need an

00:31:56.120 explanation Clay and

00:31:57.120 I do I really do

00:31:58.020 want to move past

00:31:58.640 this so I promise you

00:31:59.480 for any of you who

00:32:00.520 are as exasperated

00:32:01.460 and frustrated as I

00:32:02.440 am remember

00:32:03.180 Republicans are

00:32:04.000 making us talk

00:32:04.560 about this in so

00:32:05.260 far as they've got

00:32:06.560 a you know a

00:32:07.460 former first lady

00:32:08.320 and secretary of

00:32:09.200 state and almost

00:32:09.940 president sorry

00:32:10.840 Hillary almost

00:32:11.760 president and they

00:32:13.280 got Bill Clinton

00:32:14.000 as well now two

00:32:15.580 term president.

00:32:16.760 This is what they're

00:32:17.160 big this is what

00:32:17.620 Congress is spending

00:32:18.260 time doing so this

00:32:19.060 is why we're on it

00:32:19.700 but I just want to

00:32:20.880 know the people that

00:32:21.420 are so frustrated

00:32:22.000 with this so you

00:32:23.040 so somehow there are

00:32:24.400 those out there who

00:32:25.400 think that Donald

00:32:26.800 Trump is a great

00:32:28.120 American hero a

00:32:29.140 patriot a guy who

00:32:30.100 took a bullet for

00:32:30.740 his country a guy

00:32:31.920 who's trying to save

00:32:32.720 the country a man

00:32:34.420 who has been able

00:32:35.620 to defeat tremendous

00:32:37.040 evil of the deep

00:32:38.780 state go down the

00:32:39.720 list all this stuff

00:32:40.580 but he's covering up

00:32:42.280 for pedos.

00:32:44.640 That's a moronic

00:32:45.580 position to hold

00:32:46.420 okay you cannot

00:32:47.740 believe those two

00:32:48.460 things simultaneously

00:32:49.280 you cannot believe

00:32:50.540 that somebody is

00:32:51.140 awesome but does

00:32:52.580 this one horrible

00:32:53.280 thing that would

00:32:53.920 undermine everything

00:32:54.560 else about them

00:32:55.240 that's just not a

00:32:55.920 thing so keep that

00:32:58.000 in mind as we're

00:32:58.580 going through this

00:32:59.080 stuff and people

00:32:59.520 saying well Trump

00:33:00.160 is still what

00:33:01.660 Trump is Trump

00:33:03.220 is covering up

00:33:04.020 for for even

00:33:04.860 Trump would cover

00:33:05.540 up for Bill Gates

00:33:07.360 or Bill Clinton

00:33:08.700 or you think Trump

00:33:09.880 would risk his

00:33:10.500 presidency or you

00:33:11.360 know I mean it

00:33:12.580 come on it's crazy

00:33:14.040 but that is where

00:33:14.800 we are and I do

00:33:15.400 think you're right

00:33:16.740 unfortunately Buck

00:33:17.800 that a lot of

00:33:18.760 Republicans in

00:33:20.320 office and a lot

00:33:21.320 of media are afraid

00:33:22.820 to tell people this

00:33:24.060 because they're like

00:33:24.820 it's going to blow

00:33:25.340 back on me this is

00:33:26.520 the truth we tell

00:33:27.280 you the truth here

00:33:27.900 sometimes it makes

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00:33:29.220 yeah and if you're

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00:34:36.500 clay Travis buck Sexton

00:34:38.240 show okay was it yesterday

00:34:40.180 buck that I said we should

00:34:42.000 just go take Cuba out once

00:34:44.020 and for all make it a default

00:34:46.100 American territory in

00:34:47.920 communism in the island of

00:34:50.040 Cuba on the island of Cuba

00:34:52.320 and and bring sanity just

00:34:55.320 off the southern shore of

00:34:57.140 the United States well

00:34:59.240 President Trump in answering

00:35:02.080 questions on his way to the

00:35:03.900 helicopter to head to the

00:35:05.940 airplane to fly down to

00:35:07.400 Texas he weighed in on the

00:35:10.160 decision surrounding Cuba

00:35:13.460 and he said maybe we'll just

00:35:15.640 have a friendly takeover of

00:35:17.300 Cuba cut 27

00:35:19.060 the Cuban government is

00:35:21.860 talking with us they're in a

00:35:24.040 big deal of trouble as you

00:35:25.380 know they have no money

00:35:27.080 they have no anything right

00:35:28.500 now but they're talking with

00:35:30.340 us and maybe we'll have a

00:35:32.580 friendly takeover of Cuba

00:35:33.920 we could very well end up

00:35:37.860 having a friendly takeover of

00:35:39.820 Cuba

00:35:40.160 after many many years we've had

00:35:43.200 a lot of years of dealing

00:35:45.040 with Cuba I've been hearing

00:35:46.240 about Cuba since I'm a little

00:35:48.020 boy but they're in big

00:35:49.980 trouble and we could very

00:35:53.020 well something good I think

00:35:55.060 very positive for the people

00:35:57.380 that were expelled or worse

00:35:59.020 from Cuba that live here you

00:36:01.040 know we have people living here

00:36:02.220 that want to go back to Cuba

00:36:03.400 and they're very happy with

00:36:05.780 what's going on

00:36:06.520 so there is Buck and you're in

00:36:09.160 South Florida so you

00:36:10.420 understand the Cuban expat

00:36:12.860 community better than than most

00:36:14.740 and I know we have a huge

00:36:15.840 listenership in the Cuban

00:36:17.100 community and by the way this

00:36:19.500 could be Marco Rubio basically

00:36:21.360 fulfilling the the dream of

00:36:24.580 pretty much every young kid

00:36:26.360 raised in Cuba whose parents and

00:36:28.160 grandparents had a had a life in

00:36:31.380 Cuba before there is a Supreme

00:36:33.380 Court case the timing on this is

00:36:34.920 very interesting there is a

00:36:36.620 Supreme Court case pending

00:36:38.040 right now that has to do with

00:36:40.760 US assets that were seized by

00:36:43.560 the Cuban government when the

00:36:45.020 communist revolution began

00:36:46.500 reports are I know a lot of

00:36:48.340 people probably have not spent

00:36:49.700 much time on this that in 1959

00:36:52.660 90 percent of Cuban business

00:36:56.440 assets were owned by US

00:36:59.360 related entities so there is an

00:37:03.960 argument and we'll see what the

00:37:05.320 Supreme Court says about this

00:37:06.860 that the biggest victims from a

00:37:10.600 from a business perspective were

00:37:12.780 all US based corporations and that

00:37:15.460 we should allow US corporations to

00:37:17.340 go back into Cuba get their assets

00:37:19.740 back and try to allow capitalism to

00:37:22.280 exist in in in the country and I

00:37:25.600 would be in favor of that it would

00:37:26.880 end the danger of China or Russia or

00:37:30.160 North Korea or whoever Iran who

00:37:32.380 whatever foreign interest bear ill

00:37:35.680 design to the United States from

00:37:38.300 them being able to have close

00:37:39.520 proximity to the United States it

00:37:41.100 would tie in with the so-called

00:37:42.700 Don Road doctrine which is really

00:37:44.540 just a modification and extension of

00:37:46.520 the Monroe doctrine that the United

00:37:48.800 States controls this hemisphere I

00:37:51.880 just think it's a no-brainer that

00:37:53.300 what's your take on this there's

00:37:55.120 about eight and a half million people

00:37:56.380 who live in Cuba millions what do

00:37:58.380 you think what's the Cuban population

00:37:59.680 the United States Cuban born or Cuban

00:38:01.700 descent five six million probably at

00:38:03.880 least I would think clay you look at

00:38:07.340 these beaches unspoiled beautiful the

00:38:10.240 real estate I'm telling you could be

00:38:12.780 amazing we get Trump Havana big gold

00:38:16.780 beautiful building right outside Havana on

00:38:19.420 the beach going to be a whole new world

00:38:21.880 for Cuba they're gonna love it some

00:38:23.300 people are saying they're gonna love it

00:38:24.800 yeah of course this would be great and

00:38:28.220 and I think you know the arguments

00:38:32.160 against this are rather the arguments

00:38:34.560 against a future of of liberty and and

00:38:39.360 you know decency in government for the

00:38:42.720 Cuban people are effectively pathetic I

00:38:45.740 mean the left in this country always has a

00:38:49.200 weird it's not unknowable or rather we

00:38:52.640 we understand why but always has this

00:38:54.060 bizarre sympathy for far-left regimes no

00:38:58.620 matter how oppressive and no matter how

00:39:00.040 failed because there's a lot of stuff

00:39:02.440 that in the ethos at least of the Cuban

00:39:05.400 communist regime appeals to leftists in

00:39:08.960 America that's just the truth so in fact

00:39:12.240 some of the you know there have been

00:39:13.520 really aggressive efforts by you know by

00:39:18.520 the Cuban government even to try to run

00:39:20.660 you know information operations and

00:39:22.680 things in in this country too so look I

00:39:26.640 think that if we can do this if we can do

00:39:30.060 this with pressure and smart maneuvering

00:39:32.880 and not and a marine expeditionary force

00:39:37.200 landing on the beaches great and I think

00:39:40.320 Trump and Rubio know that that's that's a

00:39:42.540 bit of a red line and especially because

00:39:45.820 we're gonna be talking about whether we're

00:39:46.760 gonna go to war people by the way say go to

00:39:49.060 war the round it would probably be more

00:39:50.780 airstrikes and we were doing airstrikes we

00:39:53.480 had a no-fly zone in Iraq for years and

00:39:56.800 years in between wars there where we would

00:39:59.800 you know blow a plane out of the sky or do

00:40:01.860 things here and there so the difference

00:40:04.420 between strikes and war is meaningful

00:40:06.560 despite people who are like oh my god we're

00:40:08.220 gonna go to war it's not that simple in

00:40:10.920 Iran but with Cuba we got to see what

00:40:14.360 happens with Venezuela too we haven't heard a

00:40:16.880 lot about where that stands now from the

00:40:19.560 Trump administration these things do take

00:40:21.960 some time but yeah of course Cuba it should

00:40:25.580 be a great country it should be a real asset

00:40:28.880 in the Caribbean to the whole hemisphere

00:40:31.000 instead of this totalitarian dictatorship

00:40:35.520 and economic backwater and basket case which

00:40:38.800 is what it is and they've the like I like to

00:40:41.700 say they've run the experiment and it has

00:40:43.420 failed the people that are in charge in

00:40:45.420 Cuba are incompetent corrupt thugs and

00:40:49.220 there's no reason for being charged other

00:40:51.700 than they have the guns so let's see if that

00:40:53.760 can change I also think this is the it's

00:40:58.860 been under discussed that maybe the biggest

00:41:02.140 impact immediately of Venezuela was cutting

00:41:05.240 off the supply of oil to Cuba and creating an

00:41:08.820 opportunity to have quote-unquote a friendly

00:41:11.420 takeover in Cuba more so than in Venezuela

00:41:15.760 let me also say buck I think this is

00:41:17.820 important because you're now seeing the

00:41:19.500 same arguments that were made before we

00:41:21.760 struck Iran in those arguments are oh my

00:41:25.740 goodness we'll go to your point we're

00:41:27.500 going to be going to war the danger is

00:41:29.820 going to be a huge paramount all of these

00:41:32.400 different things why didn't that happen

00:41:35.600 when we took out Iran in the so-called was

00:41:39.820 it 12-day war before Iran Iran has no

00:41:43.180 ability to actually push back in any kind

00:41:45.920 of significant way and if they had they

00:41:48.560 would have done that back in the time of

00:41:53.460 the first attack June of last year the

00:41:57.920 challenge with Iran as I see it is who

00:42:01.520 takes over because I do think if we really

00:42:05.100 let Iran have it the Ayatollah's ability to

00:42:09.780 maintain control in Iran is significantly

00:42:12.700 curtailed and we're going to talk by the

00:42:14.300 way with Deborah Lee about Iran at the top

00:42:17.480 of the next hour and see what she thinks on

00:42:19.540 the timings and everything else associated

00:42:21.820 with it and you were in Iraq buck and the

00:42:25.460 challenge I think that is there is when you

00:42:28.020 wipe out a whole cadre of leadership you end

00:42:31.800 up with a void and in that void it's a

00:42:35.120 real time of uncertainty as to who is

00:42:37.740 going to rise to power and so I'm less

00:42:40.640 concerned with the strike on Iran and more

00:42:43.580 concerned with the implications the ripple

00:42:46.100 effect that spreads out from the attack on

00:42:49.220 Iran and so what happens if we end up in

00:42:52.660 this sort of power vacuum style situation

00:42:55.620 all very true all very true so we'll see

00:42:59.940 what the situation is as it plays out in

00:43:02.760 Cuba and we haven't really gotten much

00:43:04.280 more on that boat that got shot up I

00:43:07.300 don't super weird story yes 24 foot boat

00:43:10.340 with it somehow got a bunch of Americans

00:43:12.880 on it got a you know the Cuban government

00:43:15.100 is saying that it was meant to be a a they're

00:43:18.160 calling it a terrorist incursion so

00:43:19.880 essentially their claim is that that was

00:43:22.960 some sort of covert operation insertion you

00:43:29.320 know my response to that would be in

00:43:33.620 general do we feel like the Cuban

00:43:35.440 government is in any way competent enough

00:43:37.920 to stop us from a covert drop into Cuba if

00:43:43.100 we wanted people and would they come on a

00:43:45.380 24 foot boat from the Florida Keys in

00:43:48.100 order what are 10 people going to do on a

00:43:50.080 speed boat I mean that's or whatever it is

00:43:52.400 15 something like that well how is that

00:43:54.260 going to work no it doesn't none of this

00:43:56.340 adds up so we'll see what ends up happening

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00:46:12.140 for calling in thanks for writing in and

00:46:14.280 we have a turn our clay and buck kicks off

00:46:16.800 right now and Deborah Leah is with us now

00:46:19.600 she is a political commentator you see her on

00:46:23.080 Fox you're all over the place these days she

00:46:25.300 was actually just over in Israel can tell

00:46:27.600 us a bit about that experience but we're

00:46:29.820 going to look Deborah ahead a bit with you

00:46:32.160 as well into this weekend the looming

00:46:35.000 deadline Iran tell us what you know what

00:46:38.680 you see coming and how concerned should

00:46:40.620 people be about all this I would just like

00:46:43.740 to state on the record I am not Mossad

00:46:45.800 before anybody makes any accusations for

00:46:47.960 the information about to put forward but

00:46:49.800 it's great to join you guys and yeah this

00:46:52.960 has been something that in Israel every

00:46:54.660 single weekend they've been preparing I

00:46:56.480 was there for about two and a half weeks in

00:46:58.460 the end of January till February and at that

00:47:01.240 point we really thought it was going to

00:47:02.600 happen it cooled off and now the time has

00:47:05.260 come they have evacuated non-emergency

00:47:07.260 personnel from the embassy in Jerusalem and

00:47:09.780 the last time that President Trump did this

00:47:11.600 earlier in June it was exactly seven days

00:47:13.960 later that the U.S. joined the fight to

00:47:15.620 strike Iran's nuclear facilities and so I

00:47:18.020 think that this is going to be no different

00:47:19.560 we've seen this is a very interesting

00:47:21.320 international politics moment for the

00:47:24.460 world and I think it's going to change

00:47:25.980 international politics going forward if

00:47:28.280 President Trump doesn't act and he has been

00:47:31.260 threatened the members of Parliament have

00:47:33.200 threatened to send him in a casket and

00:47:34.960 celebrate him being in a casket and so more

00:47:37.500 than just nuclear weapons or nuclear

00:47:40.540 facilities this is really in terms of

00:47:42.620 American sovereignty will we allow these

00:47:44.500 Islamic countries to threaten the

00:47:46.240 president and not do anything in return I

00:47:48.660 personally don't think that we can allow

00:47:50.120 that to continue and I think that President

00:47:51.740 Trump is on the same mindset here and so

00:47:53.780 the deadline ends on Monday and I do think

00:47:56.540 that we will wouldn't indefinitely or

00:47:58.940 definitely see a strike before them okay

00:48:01.900 Deborah thanks for coming on where does

00:48:04.500 this lead Buck and I were talking about in

00:48:06.340 the last hour one of the big challenges is

00:48:09.120 how extensive are the attacks how much do

00:48:11.500 they actually target Iran's rulers to what

00:48:15.000 extent is the debate now about the potential

00:48:17.640 power vacuum who would take over what could

00:48:20.860 happen where does this go what is the goal

00:48:24.240 beyond potentially ending the nuclear

00:48:26.720 ambition of Iran does it extend into regime

00:48:30.100 change yeah absolutely this has been

00:48:33.740 something that all of us have been

00:48:35.080 wondering and I think this is definitely

00:48:36.980 the reason that the strikes have been

00:48:38.280 delayed we heard weeks ago Trump said help

00:48:40.940 was on the way and then obviously we went

00:48:42.860 into negotiations and the problem that

00:48:45.360 exists for President Trump and international

00:48:47.580 politics at large is that you cannot bomb your

00:48:49.600 way through regime change we've seen this time

00:48:51.700 and time again America is kind of notorious

00:48:53.980 for failed regime change and so when it comes

00:48:56.120 to Iran after 47 years of oppression it's

00:48:59.000 very unlikely that there's the highest level

00:49:01.080 of individuals needed to actually overthrow the

00:49:03.400 government there's over 800,000 Iranians

00:49:05.920 who are part of the Islamic regime who just

00:49:07.880 live among civilians so looking forward what we

00:49:11.120 think is the most likely outcome or what I think

00:49:13.500 is most likely outcome is pressure I don't

00:49:16.340 think that Trump is going to take out the

00:49:18.140 ayatollah and if he did there are four people

00:49:20.760 for every single leader of the Islamic regime

00:49:23.080 there are four people waiting to take their

00:49:25.360 place that Kemeni has already lined up so what

00:49:28.620 I think is a likely outcome here is not a good

00:49:31.080 one for America for Israel for anyone I don't

00:49:33.320 think that this is going to be a quick one

00:49:35.060 strike and we're done situation I think that

00:49:37.420 this would go on longer than the war in the

00:49:39.220 summertime and I don't think regime change

00:49:41.580 is possible at this point in time so as an

00:49:43.960 American as a strong crowd Jew I hope Trump's

00:49:46.580 President Trump strikes to send a message but

00:49:49.640 with these strikes I don't see any evidence that

00:49:52.260 the Iranian people themselves are capable of

00:49:54.460 overthrowing the regime

00:49:55.960 what about the strikes what message do you think

00:50:02.220 they would likely send other than I'm willing to

00:50:06.120 blow up your stuff if you don't do what I want it

00:50:08.620 seems to me the problem on the nuclear program is

00:50:11.360 there's no way there's no agreement that we give

00:50:14.400 them where we don't rely on some degree of trust

00:50:18.280 which we can't have in them and therefore they

00:50:20.940 won't agree because if they prove that they do what

00:50:24.280 we want then we actually get what we want does that

00:50:27.260 make sense do you see what I'm saying like there's we

00:50:29.400 keep coming back to this place of Iran needs to agree

00:50:32.220 to a deal where we can be sure they're not doing the

00:50:35.120 nuclear thing and we go through this and we go through

00:50:38.180 this and then it's yeah they're not going to agree to

00:50:40.560 that I feel like they're still not going to agree to

00:50:43.100 agree to it even if we hit them

00:50:44.620 oh you're absolutely right and Kemeni has said himself

00:50:48.100 that that will never happen and Iran giving up their

00:50:50.620 nuclear facilities is like worse than them losing a war

00:50:53.380 internally and so that's been as an American the catch-22

00:50:56.960 that I've been watching and kind of a little bit upset

00:51:01.020 about in a way that I grew up in the mindset of we don't

00:51:03.900 negotiate with terrorists and so entering negotiations to

00:51:06.440 begin with I do not know what the Trump administration was

00:51:09.120 thinking the outcome would be because they're not going to

00:51:11.280 change their mind but when it comes to strikes Trump has

00:51:14.300 really just been forced into a corner now where if he

00:51:17.120 doesn't strike it will send a message to the rest of the

00:51:19.820 world the non-western world that they can do whatever they

00:51:22.320 want they can threaten America they can kill their

00:51:24.380 citizens and the western world will not do anything about

00:51:27.040 it but again President Trump striking is really not going

00:51:30.400 to beget regime change it's not going to change the

00:51:33.560 outcome with the nuclear facilities they've moved them

00:51:35.720 underground and so I hate to say it I wish there was a

00:51:38.500 better answer but there is no good answer to this conflict and

00:51:41.520 I think that we need to put a little bit more not pressure but

00:51:44.980 a little bit more spotlight on the Iranian people themselves there

00:51:48.440 is no other as much as I have deep deep sympathy and I want

00:51:51.540 them to be free I can't think of any other conflict in the

00:51:54.140 history of the world where the people who have the

00:51:56.220 responsibility have not the Iranian people we've kind of taken

00:51:59.500 them out of the equation here how would they play an effect into

00:52:02.080 this we have Israel we have America waiting on standby but I

00:52:05.300 would like to see more efforts or at least more communication

00:52:07.860 from the Iranian people about what boots on the ground support

00:52:10.700 America or Israel will have if deciding to strike them

00:52:14.260 we're talking to Deborah Leah about the situation in Iran

00:52:18.140 okay so if there's not going to be a change in leadership in

00:52:24.800 Iran we're not going to effectively decapitate the current

00:52:28.000 theocracy then isn't this just more of kicking the can down the

00:52:33.720 road to Buck's point we know we can't trust Iran and at some

00:52:39.100 point there probably will be another Democrat administration in

00:52:42.920 office like Obama that they can take advantage of make a lot of

00:52:46.540 claims to lie and just kind of recreate this situation time after

00:52:52.080 time so that's point one point two on this is there any to your

00:52:57.700 knowledge or ability to to kind of divine what is Saudi Arabia what a

00:53:03.140 Qatar what do the other Muslim countries want to happen to Iran

00:53:07.000 because it seems to me that they actually like them having an

00:53:09.780 incompetent government because in some way it elevates their own

00:53:13.420 governments without having to worry about a competent government to

00:53:17.680 compete with in the region great points and that's essentially what I

00:53:22.400 was going to say this is most likely outcome and the best outcome would be

00:53:26.180 kicking the can down the road if the Trump administration launches some level

00:53:29.980 of strikes that we've seen we have the highest amount of defense weaponry in

00:53:34.440 the region ships everything is based in Israel waters around the region the

00:53:39.360 most likely outcome is kicking the can down the road striking a few

00:53:42.820 facilities and scaring the regime into agreeing okay for the next five years we

00:53:47.500 won't build nuclear sites or we won't enrich uranium which we know we can't

00:53:51.100 trust them so that would be a win on the face of it for the Trump

00:53:55.500 administration look at us we did what we are going to say what we do is it an

00:53:59.180 overall win for international politics most likely not and in terms of

00:54:03.100 geopolitics in the region we actually saw I was trying to verify it because

00:54:06.920 there's a lot of you know misinformation around this but the airbase in

00:54:10.340 Doha one of America's largest airbases in the Middle East is doesn't have any

00:54:14.940 active fighter pilots or fighter jets waiting there right now they've been

00:54:18.200 moved to an airbase inside of Israel and so that is very interesting to see

00:54:22.220 that we've had these far-right alt-right commentators saying Qatar is our best

00:54:26.740 friend but when push comes to shove in the region does not seem that they will

00:54:30.000 help us fight a nuclear Iran and a lot of these Saudi Arabia Qatar they like

00:54:35.020 playing the middleman they like being able to fund Iran fund world terror but

00:54:39.260 then also if America calls hey America we would love to sell you some

00:54:42.740 weapons or we would love to have your investments in our country and so

00:54:45.860 they're waiting they don't want to choose a side because they want to

00:54:48.720 choose whoever wins and that's the difference between us and the Islamic

00:54:52.200 world is that we believe in freedom and goodness regardless of the outcome we

00:54:56.500 don't wait to see who the victor is to choose them we choose good and God values

00:55:00.700 as victory every single time being a Debra Leah here Debra so then is is it is it

00:55:07.420 fair to say that in your estimation I'm just trying to see based on what what

00:55:11.660 you're saying how you're viewing this issue that the best option for the Trump

00:55:15.620 administration is limited strikes and then essentially status quo or is there

00:55:20.280 something that needs to be done that hasn't yet been done I I wish that there

00:55:26.820 was a better answer here and I love President Trump and I love his

00:55:30.180 administration but given the circumstances and given how long he's

00:55:33.540 waited now to retaliate it's been weeks almost over a month and a half since the

00:55:37.820 original regime was killing protesters and so given the timing the most like the

00:55:42.840 really only probable and good outcome the Trump administration can guarantee

00:55:46.720 right now is some sort of strong limited strikes within a couple hours have our

00:55:51.520 pilots out of the airspace by the time that it reaches the public and scare the

00:55:56.200 Iranian regime into at least negotiating more but there really is no good

00:56:01.320 outcome where we were able to finish this and have a true win the Trump

00:56:04.380 administration can bring home for the region and America and Americans I think

00:56:08.240 I speak for a lot of us now that we are not interested in another forever war and

00:56:11.820 President Trump knows this with the midterms coming up that beginning a war

00:56:15.400 that will not be over like the 12-day war with Iran in June will do very very

00:56:20.380 badly in this country in terms of American public perception and his approval

00:56:23.880 rating is already a little bit lower than normal right now so we know Trump loves to

00:56:28.840 be loved and doing anything in the region that won't bring home something he can brag

00:56:33.500 about I don't think he's interested in that so to sum it up nicely I have a

00:56:39.280 really good feeling that strikes are gonna happen Sunday night I don't think

00:56:42.620 that they're gonna kill the regime they're not gonna take out Kemeni and

00:56:45.820 something that Buck and I actually spoke about earlier this week is that a big

00:56:50.520 challenge for America has been the limited communications with the Iranian

00:56:53.420 regime they have one point of contact and if that point of contact falls off

00:56:56.780 they're pretty much in the dark and that's a really difficult situation given the

00:57:01.440 lack of other allies around Iran so they're playing it lightly and there is

00:57:06.620 no real win that Trump can bring home outside of limited talks and then some

00:57:10.660 sort of short-term agreement let's pick this up come December next year and see

00:57:15.160 where we're at last question Deborah we appreciate the time last time in June as

00:57:20.860 you reference the 12-day war we heard a lot about oh there's gonna be

00:57:24.740 significant American casualties or Iran is gonna fire back and we're gonna see

00:57:28.740 World War 3 Iran didn't do basically anything and did not appear to have much

00:57:34.440 ability to do anything do we have any sense for whether they have better or

00:57:40.500 worse capabilities I would actually presume worse in other words is there

00:57:43.980 anything Americans or even Israel should really fair for a fear from Iran at this

00:57:50.040 point we should not be afraid of Iran but we should be cautious about China and

00:57:55.120 Russia who have been selling weapons and certain defense missiles to Iran over the

00:57:59.380 last couple of weeks and months it's unclear because they don't want us to

00:58:02.980 know if they've reached Iran how many anti-missile defense systems that they have

00:58:07.460 gained now from China and Russia but that is something to absolutely keep an eye on in

00:58:11.820 the region and that's something that's not new to us you know all of our enemies

00:58:15.240 join together when it comes to attacking America but Iran alone does not have the

00:58:19.660 power they don't have the capabilities to hurt America the best that they can do is

00:58:23.220 shoot some rockets at Israel but America has the Iron Dome protecting Israel Israel

00:58:27.480 has the IDF protecting their own borders and so Americans the only thing we should

00:58:31.880 fear is the Iranian regime sending over sleeper cells into our country but

00:58:36.060 thankfully we have a closed border now and so we really should not fear Iran they

00:58:39.660 can't touch us thank you for the time Deborah Leah for people out there who are

00:58:44.500 interested in following you along during this Iranian latest imbroglio you said

00:58:50.920 Sunday night you think the attack might come where can they find you

00:58:54.080 find me on Twitter on Instagram TikTok every now and then the Deborah Leah and

00:59:00.660 everything and it was great to join you guys thanks for having me thank you so

00:59:04.920 much you we come back we'll take some loaded lines still a lot of people wanting

00:59:09.800 to weigh in on open line Friday a lot of talkbacks we will dive into all of that

00:59:14.500 but we want you to know we have now entered the 25th anniversary year of 9-11 it's

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00:59:31.860 pregnant woman Monica Rodriguez Smith scores more injured when a van exploded in the

00:59:37.120 parking garage it was such a massive blast carved out nearly a hundred foot crater

00:59:41.780 several stories deep people forget about it because of the one that followed eight years

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