Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 3 2026

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00:00:04.340 Welcome back into Clay Enbox.

00:00:05.960 So Clay and I decided to switch this up,

00:00:07.260 and I was going to tell you about some of what I saw yesterday

00:00:10.420 from a couple of different angles.

00:00:13.520 First of all, I'll start from the defense and national security side.

00:00:18.200 And I think there's particular interest in this stuff,

00:00:20.820 especially after Trump talked about the discombobulator,

00:00:24.360 I think he called it, which was used in Venezuela.

00:00:28.360 My guess is that that's not the technical term for it.

00:00:33.040 But Trump mentioned something about this publicly,

00:00:35.580 which is unusual for a weapons system that people are not familiar with.

00:00:39.320 But now the Venezuelans are familiar with it, so guess what?

00:00:42.300 People are going to figure this out.

00:00:44.680 But the truth is the wars of the future

00:00:49.000 and just the national security needs of the United States going into the future

00:00:53.240 are going to be increasingly reliant upon two things

00:00:57.220 that intersect very powerfully,

00:01:00.060 or really two things that are complementary,

00:01:02.260 technology and manufacturing.

00:01:05.360 And you have to be able to make the most advanced stuff,

00:01:10.020 but you're going to have to be able to make it at scale and quickly

00:01:13.820 because when you're talking about drones and AI and hypersonics

00:01:19.360 and just go through the list of all these things that are either in use

00:01:24.100 and iterating, coming up with new versions of right now,

00:01:27.620 or just over the horizon and going to become much more a part of what we see

00:01:34.140 in the national security sphere,

00:01:36.120 you have to be nimble, you have to be fast.

00:01:38.160 And this is what, Clay, the speech yesterday that Secretary of Warhead said,

00:01:41.380 it was great to see him.

00:01:42.700 We got to catch up a little bit.

00:01:44.040 I mean, he was busy with, like, the second richest man in the world

00:01:46.680 and taking around a bunch of very senior military folks,

00:01:49.240 but we talked a little bit.

00:01:50.880 And I was glad to meet his staff

00:01:54.160 and see how they're doing this Arsenal of Freedom tour,

00:01:58.320 which is what it was, the Arsenal of Freedom.

00:02:00.900 And they're going around to a lot of the biggest,

00:02:06.040 not just, there's the defense primes, Boeing, Lockheed.

00:02:10.360 I mean, these are the companies that you think of

00:02:11.860 when you think of the military-industrial complex.

00:02:13.580 They've consolidated, and this has happened really, again,

00:02:18.840 I'm not an expert on all this, but the last 40 years or so,

00:02:21.580 there's been a huge consolidation of this stuff.

00:02:25.560 And now there's these companies, there's these upstarts,

00:02:29.520 these startups, I guess maybe both upstarts and startups,

00:02:33.760 like Andrel, based out of California, Palmer, Lucky's Outfit,

00:02:37.220 and others that are making really incredible defense tech.

00:02:44.140 And, Clay, before I get into the space side,

00:02:45.760 I was going to just say,

00:02:46.820 this is one of the incredible things that Trump

00:02:50.920 and the whole MAGA movement has accomplished

00:02:53.680 that I think people don't have enough appreciation of.

00:02:57.040 A decade or so ago, Google and its employees,

00:03:03.580 and from the top down, refused, refused to do anything

00:03:08.900 that could even have military use or, you know,

00:03:12.620 any military projects whatsoever with the Pentagon.

00:03:16.560 And that was considered just, oh, okay, it's a private company.

00:03:20.300 They can do what they want.

00:03:21.580 You know, it's like when they said, build our own Internet.

00:03:23.220 You know, do it our way.

00:03:26.680 Clay, that is a massive, first of all, it's borderline,

00:03:30.600 in my opinion, borderline traitorous.

00:03:33.440 And that was the culture, though, in Silicon Valley.

00:03:37.140 Our tech leading edge was unwilling to work

00:03:41.860 to defend America against the threats of China and Russia 0.80

00:03:46.260 and global terrorism and all these other things.

00:03:49.460 And they were fine with that.

00:03:50.880 That's changed now.

00:03:51.920 And I think it's one of the biggest wins

00:03:54.300 that the Trump administration has racked up

00:03:57.540 on the national security side.

00:03:58.660 And Secretary Hegseth is working to change

00:04:00.420 the procurement timeline because it's become a joke.

00:04:04.880 They're saying, yeah, we're going to build something

00:04:06.540 15 years out, and it's going to cost 10 times

00:04:09.300 as much as we say it is when all is said and done.

00:04:11.620 And by the time we get it, you're not even going to need it

00:04:13.880 because there's going to be some other technology.

00:04:15.580 You can't have this.

00:04:16.640 In a world of drone swarms and hypersonics

00:04:21.020 and increasingly low-Earth orbit activity

00:04:25.760 that deals with a whole range of military threats,

00:04:29.540 there's so much going on, Clay.

00:04:31.760 And we can get into the space piece, too.

00:04:34.200 But this is a transformation of the way

00:04:37.380 that the United States' top companies now work with in areas.

00:04:43.400 I'm not saying I work with them on everything,

00:04:45.080 but there's crossover, and they're willing to work

00:04:46.720 with our defense contractors.

00:04:48.000 I mean, in my opinion, no American should be willing

00:04:50.840 to buy or do business with an American company

00:04:53.580 that will not help the United States military

00:04:57.900 with technology, will not help the United States military

00:05:00.960 defend us.

00:05:02.780 Because Google, without the U.S. military providing it,

00:05:06.480 they'd all be speaking Chinese, everybody.

00:05:08.660 You know what I'm saying?

00:05:09.140 Like, Google only exists because the United States

00:05:13.960 provides this marketplace, yes, but this aegis of protection.

00:05:18.660 And you're going to turn your nose up

00:05:20.780 at working with these companies.

00:05:23.980 But remember, Pentagon's paying for this stuff.

00:05:26.800 The Pentagon, it's not that they have to do

00:05:29.520 whatever the Pentagon says.

00:05:30.480 It's just the Pentagon will say,

00:05:31.480 hey, we want to buy this from you.

00:05:33.380 No, we don't want to work with you on that.

00:05:35.340 Hey, we want to co-develop this with you.

00:05:36.740 No, we're, you know, and this was Google

00:05:39.200 and all these top companies out of Silicon.

00:05:41.940 Google is the main one, but all these top companies

00:05:43.500 out of Silicon Valley.

00:05:45.320 I mean, it's shameful what they got away with.

00:05:46.940 Palmer Luckey of Andrel has spoken about this consistently.

00:05:51.440 And it's amazing, because he comes out of that community.

00:05:54.160 There's a guy who founded Oculus.

00:05:55.780 Now he's the founder of Andrel.

00:05:57.380 He's a self-made multi-billionaire.

00:05:59.120 He's founded really two unicorn companies,

00:06:01.140 which is, he's like a double unicorn.

00:06:03.040 It's pretty amazing.

00:06:03.820 Clay, the whole paradigm has changed now where,

00:06:08.640 and it's important because if China has better AI,

00:06:12.240 better tech, better, you know, better drones

00:06:15.480 and manufacturing capacity for them as well,

00:06:17.900 they can put, if they can make, you know,

00:06:20.800 a hundred UAVs of the absolute top range

00:06:26.540 that can be used in offensive warfare

00:06:28.580 for every 10 that we can make, we can't beat them.

00:06:31.640 So that's what people have to understand.

00:06:33.640 It doesn't matter.

00:06:34.440 Yeah, we have the best soldiers in the world.

00:06:36.020 Well, if they can just out-manufacture us,

00:06:39.400 the bravery of our soldiers is not going to be enough

00:06:41.880 in a fight that's increasingly tech-based.

00:06:45.400 History teaches us that war is often

00:06:47.860 one of the great evolutions of technology.

00:06:51.780 And you go back in time, Civil War, for instance,

00:06:57.000 railroads changed the way that the war was bought,

00:07:01.020 the war was fought under the concept of celerity,

00:07:04.220 but troops being able to hop on a railroad line

00:07:08.140 and be able to get to a different area much faster.

00:07:11.980 I was reading, actually, this morning

00:07:14.180 as I was getting ready for our show, Buck,

00:07:15.840 we just rolled off what many people believe

00:07:18.800 will be the last tank.

00:07:20.040 And if you think about the history of warfare,

00:07:23.780 certainly World War II, to a large extent,

00:07:26.480 it was airfare, right, air combat, air superiority,

00:07:30.340 and then tanks and their ability to run roughshod

00:07:34.660 over trench warfare and change the dynamic there.

00:07:38.120 The Ukraine-Russia war has basically turned into

00:07:41.840 a drone battle.

00:07:43.720 And the question is, who can build the most drones

00:07:47.960 and advanced drone technology the fastest

00:07:50.520 is dictating success on the battlefield?

00:07:54.260 And they say, basically, even attacks, by and large,

00:07:58.260 with soldiers are becoming virtually impossible

00:08:01.520 because drones are so skilled and adept

00:08:05.000 at being able to kill people

00:08:07.040 as soon as they leave protective areas.

00:08:09.260 And so we are, I think, evolving

00:08:12.820 in the same way that AI is iterating

00:08:15.340 at a speed that, frankly, we've never seen before

00:08:17.980 in the history of humanity.

00:08:19.600 We are right now in a technological inflection point

00:08:23.040 where the manufacture of drones

00:08:24.980 would likely dictate who would win World War III.

00:08:28.060 And who knows what comes next, Buck?

00:08:29.520 It may be robot warfare, right?

00:08:31.480 I mean, when you look at Elon building

00:08:33.040 all these Optimus robots,

00:08:34.620 it may be the case that the next war we fight

00:08:37.440 is basically humans sitting around with joysticks

00:08:40.600 trying to align robot battlefields

00:08:44.000 and drones and everything else.

00:08:46.080 The technology is just evolving so rapidly

00:08:49.000 and the manufacturing capacity is so key.

00:08:51.460 It's one reason why we're exploding,

00:08:53.700 exploding is the wrong word,

00:08:55.280 expanding our overall budget for the military

00:08:58.860 because this is expensive

00:09:00.520 and we need the wheels and power of private industry

00:09:03.840 to be able to win the future battles of combat.

00:09:06.840 The other part of this that was really interesting.

00:09:09.220 So there's that defense and manufacturing piece

00:09:11.480 and that's why the Arsenal of Freedom Tour,

00:09:13.120 the Secretary of War is going on,

00:09:15.100 is really showing everybody that, you know,

00:09:18.480 this is now, America is now a place where,

00:09:21.300 just like in World War II,

00:09:23.080 and they really even borrow,

00:09:24.440 I mean, I have some photos of this,

00:09:26.140 they borrow from some of the imagery

00:09:27.380 from posters of World War II

00:09:29.100 for this current Arsenal of Freedom Tour

00:09:31.460 because, you know,

00:09:33.100 if you were an automobile manufacturer in World War II

00:09:35.220 and you had to start making plane parts

00:09:37.700 or tanks or whatever,

00:09:39.680 there was just no question,

00:09:40.600 that's what's going to happen, right?

00:09:42.420 This is the reality of the world they were living in

00:09:45.540 and that needs to be the reality today,

00:09:47.340 but for high-tech companies in particular

00:09:49.020 and tech that can be manufactured,

00:09:51.180 can be manufactured at scale,

00:09:53.020 which means quickly, efficiently,

00:09:55.400 at a reasonable price,

00:09:57.580 it's changing the whole

00:09:58.940 military-industrial complex situation right now.

00:10:02.760 That whole apparatus is in the process of being shifted.

00:10:05.860 Now, it's huge, it's unwieldy,

00:10:07.780 a lot of people, I think,

00:10:08.520 who've worked in the Pentagon

00:10:09.220 who are listening to us are going to say,

00:10:11.100 yeah, right, good luck with that.

00:10:12.580 Well, that's the mission

00:10:13.920 and they're on that mission

00:10:14.920 and we'll see how they do.

00:10:16.900 You know, they were telling us a few years ago

00:10:18.320 nobody could ever secure the border

00:10:19.480 and now that's an afterthought.

00:10:20.740 Of course you can secure the border.

00:10:22.400 We can't make stuff faster.

00:10:23.740 The America we live in

00:10:26.160 where I can sit here

00:10:27.100 and have basically whatever I want

00:10:30.460 delivered to me

00:10:31.080 with the push of a button in my home

00:10:33.400 maybe within a few hours,

00:10:34.940 certainly within 24 hours.

00:10:36.820 We can't make drones faster

00:10:39.000 or better than we currently are

00:10:40.460 with the big defense primes?

00:10:42.980 No way.

00:10:43.740 There's no way that that's reality.

00:10:45.140 Okay, and then on the space side of this, Clay,

00:10:47.120 and I know some people

00:10:47.720 are really into space overall,

00:10:49.580 we are absolutely in a rebirth

00:10:51.060 and a renaissance of space

00:10:53.720 space exploration

00:10:54.600 and it's real.

00:10:56.840 And here's why.

00:10:57.740 It's commercialized now.

00:10:59.840 And Elon deserves tremendous credit for this.

00:11:02.760 There are two companies

00:11:03.920 that are driving this whole thing

00:11:05.340 and it's SpaceX

00:11:06.400 and Blue Origin

00:11:08.140 and what they are doing.

00:11:10.600 I mean, Elon speaks about this

00:11:11.760 in a way that I think

00:11:12.360 is particularly visionary.

00:11:13.520 Blue Origin,

00:11:14.180 and I was there yesterday,

00:11:15.100 I heard Bezos speak about this.

00:11:17.140 Blue Origin

00:11:17.660 knows that it has to go a lot faster,

00:11:20.980 knows that it has to get

00:11:21.800 a lot more launches going.

00:11:23.540 You know,

00:11:23.740 they've been a little slow

00:11:25.960 and it's kind of like private,

00:11:27.560 it feels a little bit more

00:11:28.600 like private sector NASA to me.

00:11:31.200 You know?

00:11:31.760 SpaceX is a whole other thing.

00:11:33.200 Blue Origin is like,

00:11:34.160 we're going to build rockets

00:11:35.000 so we don't have to buy them from Russia.

00:11:36.820 Hey, that's great.

00:11:37.980 And Jeff Bezos

00:11:38.660 is one of the most incredible entrepreneurs

00:11:40.240 and, you know,

00:11:41.300 company minds

00:11:42.720 or company managers in history.

00:11:45.600 Elon is like,

00:11:46.240 we're going to build Death Stars

00:11:47.260 and go to Mars.

00:11:48.260 Like, it's a whole other category.

00:11:50.980 And now you're talking about

00:11:52.640 the possibility of low Earth orbit data centers.

00:11:55.820 And this is particularly useful for AI.

00:11:58.120 But we might start having,

00:11:59.760 instead of building

00:12:00.300 these massive data centers

00:12:01.340 that have to require all this cooling,

00:12:03.040 you don't need a lot of cooling in space,

00:12:04.700 have all this stuff,

00:12:05.860 we might be able to start building them

00:12:07.320 in low Earth orbit.

00:12:08.580 The infrastructure for space

00:12:12.920 and space exploration

00:12:15.320 and utilization

00:12:16.140 and getting us to other planets

00:12:17.720 and everything

00:12:18.060 is actually being built right now.

00:12:20.560 It is real.

00:12:21.560 It is happening.

00:12:22.860 And it's a pretty amazing moment

00:12:24.240 in the history of our species,

00:12:25.920 I will say, Clay.

00:12:26.780 It's the real deal.

00:12:28.920 When you start looking

00:12:29.580 at the progression here,

00:12:30.780 how fast they're going,

00:12:32.080 how many more rockets

00:12:32.960 they're going to be able to make,

00:12:33.760 how much better the rockets are,

00:12:35.640 the increase in the,

00:12:36.940 just even the kind of carbon fiber

00:12:39.180 that can be used in these things today.

00:12:41.680 With the, you know,

00:12:42.500 in the Apollo missions back in the day,

00:12:43.760 they could have imagined.

00:12:45.360 Some of the rocketry stuff

00:12:46.520 has just been repurposed

00:12:47.640 and it's the same.

00:12:48.340 A lot of the principles are the same.

00:12:49.500 But some of the technological advances

00:12:51.400 make stuff so much more feasible now.

00:12:53.700 So I was nerding out with it yesterday.

00:12:55.180 It was really interesting.

00:12:56.140 And it's real.

00:12:58.600 And there's a whole lot of stuff going on.

00:13:00.460 I met the NASA administrator.

00:13:02.900 Great guy, by the way.

00:13:04.220 We might be having him on the show soon, Clay.

00:13:06.560 We're getting people back on the moon,

00:13:07.900 but we're doing a whole lot more than that, too.

00:13:10.540 What I would also add to all that,

00:13:12.540 and it sounds like an awesome way

00:13:14.300 to spend the day.

00:13:15.880 Yesterday, news officially came out

00:13:17.860 that SpaceX, XAI,

00:13:20.280 and Twitter slash X

00:13:22.720 are all now one company.

00:13:25.640 So it's not only that things

00:13:27.360 are evolving rapidly,

00:13:28.560 it's that AI is creating a world

00:13:31.820 where satellites, social media,

00:13:35.400 the evolution and rapidity of AI

00:13:38.200 and all of these things

00:13:41.200 are being coalesced together.

00:13:44.720 So I think, to me,

00:13:46.860 there's a little bit of an analogy

00:13:48.180 where we do this radio show.

00:13:50.400 And when Rush did this radio show

00:13:52.140 in the 1980s and the 1990s,

00:13:54.020 there was only one way for you,

00:13:55.860 basically, to get this show.

00:13:57.260 You had to be listening live

00:13:58.720 on a radio channel.

00:14:00.840 Maybe you could bring out

00:14:01.840 the old cassette tape,

00:14:03.040 for those of you who remember

00:14:03.820 doing mixtapes back in the day.

00:14:05.920 On Monday, this show will go on satellite radio.

00:14:09.260 We just had our best month of growth

00:14:11.420 we've ever had on YouTube for this show.

00:14:14.400 And we're on every social media platform.

00:14:16.900 But I think increasingly,

00:14:18.620 media is just becoming one thing.

00:14:20.580 There's no difference between 0.79

00:14:21.680 the television and YouTube

00:14:24.040 and everything else.

00:14:25.620 Media is just one colossus.

00:14:28.180 I think a lot of these businesses,

00:14:30.200 when you look at SpaceX,

00:14:31.680 when you look at the ability

00:14:34.140 to provide internet from space,

00:14:36.040 when you look at XAI,

00:14:37.320 when you look at Twitter,

00:14:38.220 when you look at all these companies,

00:14:39.440 SpaceX,

00:14:40.180 they're all one thing.

00:14:41.700 And I think we're rapidly evolving

00:14:44.240 towards everything synthesizing together.

00:14:47.820 And that might sound complicated,

00:14:49.040 but I think it's occurring at a rapid speed,

00:14:51.760 the likes of which we've never seen before.

00:14:54.060 So buckle up,

00:14:55.160 because we're accelerating at a level

00:14:57.080 that I'm not sure technology has ever occurred.

00:14:59.380 And there are both exciting things about that

00:15:01.360 and terrifying things, frankly,

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00:17:09.900 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:17:14.960 Buck walked back into a hornet's nest here.

00:17:18.380 I'm going to dive into a topic here in addition to the fun of Billie Eilish being on stolen land

00:17:26.760 and the seriousness of the $2 million verdict by a New York jury for a young minor who got

00:17:35.300 gender transition surgery.

00:17:37.700 That's in quotation marks because it's not real.

00:17:40.540 But we will discuss that.

00:17:42.320 Buck, I did want to put a bow on this.

00:17:44.240 And by the way, 800-282-2882, in the wake of the 3 million plus pages of Epstein revelations,

00:17:55.980 it feels to me like the Epstein story is basically over.

00:18:01.720 And even for the 5 or 10 percent of the audience out there that is the most focused on this Epstein

00:18:08.920 story, and I think the Trump administration, as we have said many times, did not handle this

00:18:14.120 well in the first year.

00:18:15.880 But there is a bit of breaking news out there.

00:18:18.620 Bill and Hillary Clinton are going to testify in front of Congress to avoid potential charges

00:18:25.320 for defying a congressional subpoena on two different days at the end of February.

00:18:31.280 I jotted down the 26th and the 27th.

00:18:35.040 It might have been the 27th and the 28th, but two days at the end of February.

00:18:41.480 And I'm curious if you co-sign on to this, and certainly you guys can react.

00:18:47.240 As I did a ton of reading yesterday to make sure that I basically had read everything under

00:18:52.940 the sun about the Epstein revelations and make sure that I wasn't missing anything.

00:18:57.200 Effectively, it appears to me, based on all of these emails, that Jeffrey Epstein had access

00:19:03.860 because of the work that he did with Jelaine Maxwell to lots of young, attractive women 0.66

00:19:10.480 and lots of old, rich guys were interested in meeting young, attractive women.

00:19:17.400 And Epstein used that as the lever to get access to all of these older, rich men who otherwise

00:19:25.880 didn't have access to young, attractive women.

00:19:29.060 And that was the way in which he ingratiated himself into all of these circles.

00:19:35.160 I did think it was interesting.

00:19:36.320 I'm out in L.A.

00:19:37.700 There's almost, Buck, no one who is famous, right?

00:19:41.320 No musician, no actor, no famous people that were interacting with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:19:48.420 My bet on that is because famous people have easy access to attractive women. 1.00

00:19:53.020 And really, the game plan of Jeffrey Epstein was, I'm going to use all these young, attractive

00:19:59.820 women to get access to primarily these old, rich guys. 0.95

00:20:03.660 And that was the name of the game.

00:20:06.140 And he leveraged that to be able to make lots of money.

00:20:09.160 Now, whether there were intelligence agencies in any way involved, blackmail, the New York

00:20:13.700 Times actually had a great write-up of how Jeffrey Epstein made a lot of his money.

00:20:18.720 Much of it comes through Lex Wexner, who was the founder of Victoria's Secret.

00:20:23.800 But I actually think this story is becoming less and less complicated the more emails come

00:20:28.860 out.

00:20:29.760 This was a guy who was a pervert and had access to lots of young women.

00:20:34.060 And there were a lot of men in powerful positions who were very wealthy that wanted access to

00:20:38.400 those young women.

00:20:39.600 And Jeffrey Epstein exploited that for those purposes.

00:20:43.400 Do you co-sign to most of that?

00:20:45.180 Is there anything else that has leapt out to you from these three million documents that

00:20:51.860 have been revealed?

00:20:53.460 It's a tough week for Peter Atiyah.

00:20:55.960 Yeah.

00:20:56.740 That definitely.

00:20:58.280 He, I did not, and I will tell you this, I don't think his name had ever come up in

00:21:02.040 any of this stuff before at all.

00:21:03.680 So he was one of these people who all of a sudden would go, oh, buddies with, again, no,

00:21:10.340 no allegation of criminal wrongdoing in any of this stuff.

00:21:13.480 And that's obviously why they're, and he has been very, Dr. Atiyah has been very vociferous

00:21:19.960 in that he knew nothing about Epstein trafficking underage girls and that he, you know, had no,

00:21:27.860 I mean, of course, this is what he's saying.

00:21:29.760 This is what you would expect him to say.

00:21:31.740 And I will just say, though, the brand damage that some people are suffering as a result of

00:21:36.800 this is really, we say brand reputational damage that people are suffering from.

00:21:41.600 This is substantial.

00:21:42.300 There were a lot of people who minimized their contact with Epstein.

00:21:46.340 And now because really non-criminal email activity coming out has shown.

00:21:55.540 And so this made, you're starting to wonder why was there the hesitation to release a lot

00:21:59.320 of this stuff?

00:21:59.900 Well, the FBI in the course of an investigation will get a lot of information.

00:22:03.920 And if it has nothing to do with criminality, it generally does not just release everything

00:22:10.460 that they find, right?

00:22:12.020 And that's, I think, overall, a good thing.

00:22:14.600 There's clear reason for this.

00:22:16.600 You shouldn't be, you know, if you're, you know, if you're writing things that would just

00:22:21.880 be kind of, again, non-criminal, but if you're writing things that are embarrassing, that have

00:22:26.400 nothing to do with a criminal enterprise, why should that all be made public under normal

00:22:32.020 circumstances?

00:22:33.220 In this case, the public demanded, and for very good reason, a much broader transparency

00:22:39.560 than you would get in a standard FBI investigation because of the reasons that we could spend hours

00:22:44.980 and hours talking about when it comes to Epstein.

00:22:47.340 So, yeah, I think that there are people that are more damaged reputationally than I anticipated,

00:22:55.080 meaning new names.

00:22:56.260 It's one thing if somebody's already in there.

00:22:57.880 But the reality here, I think, is there will be people that never believe that there's

00:23:06.120 been enough transparency or rather that we've gotten the real answers.

00:23:09.780 And I can understand that.

00:23:11.660 I can understand that mindset.

00:23:13.900 And I think that what now at this point, the FBI or the DOJ are going to say, we've released

00:23:19.500 what we have.

00:23:20.420 That's it.

00:23:20.880 So, I don't know what else you or I could do in terms of advocating for more transparency

00:23:28.900 or anything else.

00:23:29.780 And I will say, this wasn't smoking gun.

00:23:32.880 What we said all along is true.

00:23:34.880 There's nothing in these emails that, on a standalone basis, you could bring, beyond a reasonable

00:23:43.080 doubt, criminal charges against anybody involved in.

00:23:46.460 And if there were, they probably would have brought those charges, right?

00:23:50.480 This is why it was somewhat established, I think, in advance that there might be people

00:23:55.200 that look scummy, but looking scummy is not a crime or else we'd have to throw most of

00:24:00.940 Congress in prison.

00:24:02.500 And that's where we are.

00:24:04.820 So, I think, Clay, maybe this brings a new phase, at least, into the discussion.

00:24:10.560 People will analyze this.

00:24:11.760 They'll believe that there are a lot of connections that have been covered up.

00:24:14.180 And I don't disagree with that, but I just don't know what else we can find that would

00:24:21.400 shed the light on it that people want at this point.

00:24:23.960 Does that make sense?

00:24:24.780 No, I think it's over.

00:24:27.980 And look, I'm open.

00:24:29.180 You guys can give us talkbacks.

00:24:30.520 You can call in.

00:24:31.620 Like, I did what I consider to be a pretty deep dive yesterday to make sure that I had

00:24:36.780 looked at every different angle.

00:24:38.060 And I think, again, this story, to me, based on all these emails coming out, is the story

00:24:44.380 of a guy who got rich by having access to a lot of young, attractive girls.

00:24:50.660 And there were a lot of old, rich guys that did not have access to young, attractive girls

00:24:55.860 that were willing to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein because he would, you know, you'd go to a

00:25:00.720 dinner and there were a bunch of pretty girls there. 1.00

00:25:02.440 That's what a lot of these emails show.

00:25:03.780 Well, when you're saying, you know, this is where I do think some, we have to be clear

00:25:08.760 when you're saying access to young girls, which you, you know, because that's girls, you're

00:25:13.680 really talking about, I think, a lot of these individuals who are not charged with and there's

00:25:19.620 no allegation out there by any of the women, by any of the women against, you know, numerous

00:25:26.880 of these individuals, which I think is really, it'd be one thing if we had some of the women 1.00

00:25:31.100 who, you know, who were abused, who were underage saying this guy did this or that guy, you

00:25:34.920 know, that, and then can we prove it?

00:25:37.080 It's another thing to say there's no, you know, because you have to be fair to people

00:25:40.380 here.

00:25:41.140 Epstein did, and this is a position that might, Epstein did interact with human beings

00:25:46.480 who did nothing wrong and knew nothing about it.

00:25:49.700 And, you know, that is a reality too.

00:25:51.620 When I'm saying older of age girls, right? 0.92

00:25:55.180 I'm talking about people 18 and over.

00:25:57.280 A lot of guys, this is the key, the key difference, sorry, I diverted there, but yes, you're saying

00:26:01.700 what I wanted to say, which is that it's one thing for a guy, you know, who is a powerful

00:26:06.460 rich guy to say, Epstein, he's got the Rolodex with all the over 18 Victoria's Secret models

00:26:13.820 that I want.

00:26:14.280 I want to meet that 24-year-old smoke, and I'm 60 years old, and otherwise there's no

00:26:19.960 way that I'm going to meet him.

00:26:21.020 I'm saying that's what a lot of these emails look like to me.

00:26:23.520 Yes, that's, and that's, now you can say, you know, age gap and whatever, that is 100%,

00:26:29.940 you know, if it's a 24-year-old Victoria's Secret model, a lot of guys in their 50s and

00:26:34.800 60s, if they had a chance, you know, again, that's, this is the, there's no.

00:26:39.240 You can judge that as much as you can, but it seems to me.

00:26:41.320 You can judge that as you want.

00:26:41.980 There's nothing even vaguely criminal about that.

00:26:43.780 It's 100% legal and always will be and always should be, I might add.

00:26:46.840 There's nothing criminal about that.

00:26:48.040 These are people who are adults.

00:26:49.160 They are of age of consent.

00:26:50.000 Everything is fine.

00:26:51.000 So you can say it's, you know, it's like, you can say it's unseemly, but, you know, being

00:26:56.480 rude to the maid is unseemly. 0.91

00:26:58.380 We don't lock people up for that, right?

00:27:00.000 So that's why to me, when I saw these emails, it's interesting.

00:27:04.060 Epstein didn't really have celebrity friends, right?

00:27:08.880 And I'm talking about, there weren't a lot of Hollywood people.

00:27:12.240 There weren't a lot of musicians.

00:27:13.480 They weren't actors and actresses that he was involved with.

00:27:16.980 They were super rich guys, tended to be older.

00:27:20.820 And again, to me, it feels like he would have a party and you would go to it and there were

00:27:25.900 eight gorgeous models there and five old dudes. 1.00

00:27:30.220 And he took advantage of being able to provide those kind of environments.

00:27:35.140 That's what all of it read like to me.

00:27:37.520 Well, let's unpack that for a second.

00:27:39.000 Celebrities don't, you know, if you're a top Hollywood actor, you know, you don't need

00:27:44.520 Epstein to introduce you to an of age Victoria's Secret model or whatever. 0.99

00:27:50.900 You know, again, we're being very clear.

00:27:52.840 We're talking about women in their 20s. 0.99

00:27:54.260 Let's just make it that clear.

00:27:54.940 Women in their 20s.

00:27:55.960 Epstein had access to women in their 20s.

00:27:57.780 Les Wexner, the Victoria's Secret brand and others.

00:28:00.940 But, you know, guys who are 30s, 40s, even into their 50s, who are successful and famous

00:28:09.220 in any capacity, they don't need...

00:28:12.220 Johnny Depp doesn't need Jeffrey Epstein to meet girls.

00:28:16.080 But if you're a 60-year-old kind of, you know, if you're like a Reid Hoffman-looking guy,

00:28:24.880 he's in the flowers a lot.

00:28:26.060 But Reid Hoffman, you know, and I'm just saying, this guy probably needed, you know,

00:28:32.540 I don't know, he's not a guy that you would think would have an easy time with the ladies

00:28:36.440 is all I'm saying.

00:28:37.020 Who was in the emails was super rich guys that are probably socially awkward, that are having

00:28:43.540 trouble meeting women of age, and they used Epstein, and Epstein used them in order to 1.00

00:28:49.180 meet attractive women.

00:28:50.360 That's what stood out to me.

00:28:51.880 Again, you guys out there, if I'm missing something, if Buck is missing something,

00:28:56.060 then let us know.

00:28:58.440 But it feels to me, by and large, like this story is...

00:29:03.020 It's Bill Gates, right?

00:29:03.940 It's Bill Gates who needs help meeting chicks.

00:29:06.060 It's Reid Hoffman.

00:29:06.740 And by the way, a lot of these people, very rich Democrat donors.

00:29:11.120 A lot of these rich, supposedly super, super, they have amazing media.

00:29:17.340 Oh, what a hero all these guys are.

00:29:19.660 Oh, they're so great.

00:29:21.080 You're like, ah, they actually seem pretty scummy in the emails with Epstein.

00:29:25.840 But again, to your point, if being scummy were a crime, most of Congress would be in

00:29:29.700 prison.

00:29:30.960 And so to me, it kind of stood out.

00:29:34.320 That's what jumped out at me.

00:29:35.900 I'm glad the emails are out now.

00:29:38.160 It doesn't feel to me like there's anything else, really.

00:29:40.860 The cleanup that happened of really damaging information and or any of the tapes, the

00:29:49.860 surveillance, any of...

00:29:51.220 If there was a blackmail operation operating here, which I still believe was at least a

00:29:55.760 part of this, that's been gone for a long time, which we've said here.

00:30:00.320 I mean, that's my assessment is that that stuff got wiped a long time ago.

00:30:05.340 And so now you have what you have.

00:30:09.100 I'm not saying it answers all the questions.

00:30:11.240 I'm not saying it shows you everything that should be shown.

00:30:15.180 I'm just saying I don't see where the next phase of demand for transparency is going to

00:30:24.260 go at this stage.

00:30:25.540 I mean, if there was something else that I thought, we have to release, what else is going to be

00:30:30.180 released now?

00:30:31.560 I think it's where we are on this one.

00:30:34.560 But I'm sure some of you would disagree, and you will let us know that, because you

00:30:38.760 are not shy about talking about when you disagree with us.

00:30:42.220 And if I can just pivot for something far less serious for a moment here, Clay, before

00:30:47.620 I actually get into a serious read, but far less serious, we have to have a fulsome discussion

00:30:52.320 about this mustache.

00:30:53.820 I can tell when you're looking at me on video.

00:30:58.500 Even I sometimes am looking in the mirror.

00:31:00.660 I feel like a kid who doesn't recognize his dad right now.

00:31:03.280 We've got to have a whole conversation about this.

00:31:05.520 I'm just like, wait, what?

00:31:07.500 But it might go in some interesting directions.

00:31:11.400 We'll get to that.

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00:32:17.780 Welcome back in.

00:32:18.860 Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:32:20.600 One story that we have not covered very much that is at the top of most of the newscasts

00:32:27.940 right now, and I want to give you this update.

00:32:32.360 The mother of Savannah Guthrie, her name is Nancy Guthrie.

00:32:36.420 She is 84 years old in Arizona.

00:32:39.440 We have a big audience listening to us in Arizona.

00:32:42.340 The sheriff is going to give an update on this story.

00:32:46.140 Savannah Guthrie is a host on the Today Show. 0.92

00:32:49.300 So I'm sure many of you are familiar with her.

00:32:53.160 Buck, I have read a decent amount about this.

00:32:57.480 It's a very strange story.

00:33:00.100 My take, and I don't know if you would sign off on this as well, is that Savannah Guthrie

00:33:05.940 is not so famous that I would think most people would know who Savannah Guthrie's mom is.

00:33:13.080 And so as there are reports of blood and abductions here, I don't know if this is just she's a victim

00:33:22.360 and it has nothing to do at all with Savannah Guthrie.

00:33:25.280 I think the reason it has caught a lot of attention is because there is a connection to Savannah Guthrie.

00:33:31.180 But again, I could be wrong here.

00:33:34.080 I just don't think Savannah Guthrie is so famous that everybody would know.

00:33:39.140 If you told me J.D. Vance's mom was abducted, I would say, OK, you know, if you told me that there were there are certain people that I would say, well, there's no way that's coincidental.

00:33:48.840 I'm just not sure that this is in any way actually connected to Savannah Guthrie.

00:33:53.460 Does that make sense?

00:33:54.140 I mean, yeah, well, it I mean, and I look, I hope that they find Savannah Guthrie's mother on are unharmed and that the perpetrators are punished to the fullest extent of the law.

00:34:04.680 The first thing that my brain went to, though, when I read this is remember the just heartbreaking story of Michael Jordan's dad.

00:34:10.740 Yes, I thought the same thing.

00:34:12.020 Just yeah, someone who's Savannah Guthrie is not quite as known globally as Michael Jordan was.

00:34:18.000 Michael Jordan was, I think, pre-Trump, Michael Jordan might have become the most famous person on the planet for a period of time.

00:34:25.160 I think he probably was the most recognizable, most famous, you know, sports icon, but really cultural icon.

00:34:32.700 His dad was, if memory serves, napping in his car, like taking a taking a basically a snooze.

00:34:39.520 And people woke him up to carjack him and shot him in the chest.

00:34:43.100 Killed him.

00:34:43.560 A totally just horrific, random act of violence.

00:34:47.260 I think both those guys got life in prison, the two that that did the carjacking.

00:34:52.120 But, you know, terrible things can happen to the family members of famous people, too.

00:34:56.940 And this is when you're talking about a woman with dementia.

00:35:00.600 83, you said, Clay, is that right?

00:35:02.160 I think 84.

00:35:03.620 I think they're putting the details up about her right now.

00:35:06.780 Five foot five, 150 pounds, they say.

00:35:10.500 Last seen on January 31st.

00:35:14.360 And again, in Arizona, and they're about to have a press conference.

00:35:18.020 Sorry to cut you off, but just the photos are everywhere.

00:35:20.600 And certainly a lot of you are listening in the Arizona area.

00:35:23.520 And keep your eyes open.

00:35:25.420 Obviously, we want something not negative to come out associated with this story.

00:35:30.680 But, yes, to your point, Jordan's dad was murdered, and it appears to have nothing to do with the fact that Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan.

00:35:38.840 Totally random.

00:35:39.720 Just happened to be the son of one of the most famous people on the planet.

00:35:44.460 And I think this woman, Savannah Guthrie's mother, happened to be the mother of one of the most famous broadcasters around in America today.

00:35:51.780 Look, like I said, I hope that they find her, but the indicators here to say it's highly concerning is an understatement.

00:36:01.140 You know, someone's being abducted.

00:36:02.660 There's blood.

00:36:04.820 We'll see.

00:36:05.900 All you can do is pray and hope that they find her somewhere.

00:36:09.620 You always have that possibility that the kidnappers or the abductors, maybe they figured out who her daughter was and realized this is a bad idea.

00:36:21.780 You know, left her at a bus stop somewhere.

00:36:23.800 You know, who knows?

00:36:24.900 But right now, it's highly concerning is all you can say about the facts as they have been presented.

00:36:32.640 So that press conference has not yet started, but I wanted to make sure that we gave you the latest on that, and we will be running on that press conference for the sheriff's updates on Nancy Guthrie.

00:36:44.820 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:36:45.160 She does not have dementia.

00:36:46.480 She has physical limitations.

00:36:47.920 Pardon me.

00:36:48.340 I read somewhere that she had some disability, but she has physical limitations in her movement, so she can't go very far, but her mind is all totally there.

00:36:57.560 Last seen January 31st.

00:36:59.460 If you are listening to us in Arizona, certainly keep your eyes peeled there, as that is where she has disappeared.

00:37:07.520 And again, we will update you on what the latest is here shortly.

00:37:12.600 Much less serious.

00:37:13.540 I'm out in Los Angeles, Buck, so I thought that this is very funny, and I thought we could have some fun with this.

00:37:22.100 The Grammy Awards were insanely woke, as one might imagine, and we talked about that quite a lot yesterday.

00:37:29.560 And maybe the wokest part of the entire Grammy Awards was when Billie Eilish, a singer, got up and said, no one is illegal on stolen land.

00:37:40.820 Here is that cut, I believe cut 31, from Sunday night at the Grammys.

00:37:45.360 I love you so much.

00:37:46.200 I feel so honored every time I get to be in this room.

00:37:48.200 And as grateful as I feel, I honestly don't feel like I need to say anything, but that no one is illegal on stolen land.

00:38:02.760 All right, Buck, I had some fun with this yesterday on the show, and I pointed out, hey, if your land is stolen, the nicest thing you could do is actually give it back.

00:38:11.480 And Billie Eilish lives in a multimillion-dollar Los Angeles mansion. 1.00

00:38:17.820 She had just one song of the year.

00:38:20.020 So this is very funny.

00:38:22.240 The Tongva tribe, not familiar with their work, the Tongva tribe says in the – they used to have the L.A. area.

00:38:30.080 Great place to be living if you were a tribe, by the way.

00:38:32.540 I would imagine, you know, nice land in L.A.

00:38:35.000 They say Billie Eilish is living in a mansion built on their ancestral land.

00:38:40.540 As the first people of the greater – this is the Tongva tribe in a statement to Fox News.

00:38:46.380 As the first people of the greater Los Angeles basin, we do understand that her home is situated in our ancestral land.

00:38:54.800 Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding our property.

00:38:59.100 They are asking – this is really funny.

00:39:00.940 Good for them.

00:39:01.440 They're asking Billie Eilish to turn title to her mansion back over to the Tongva tribe because she is living on their stolen land. 1.00

00:39:11.660 Buck, do you think that Billie Eilish, who won song of the year and was so fast to say no one is illegal when we're living on stolen land,

00:39:19.360 why is Billie Eilish not willing to turn back over her multimillion-dollar mansion? 0.99

00:39:23.400 I will say, too, there are lots of footage, lots of drones of this property of hers now.

00:39:29.920 Well, she stepped really in it.

00:39:31.520 To my knowledge, she has not commented since they have demanded their land back.

00:39:36.420 We'll have to just wait and see.

00:39:38.900 I have a feeling she's going to hang on to that mansion and not think twice about it.

00:39:45.100 Clay, one thing that I was thinking about with the Grammys was that I think the state of – get ready for it.

00:39:52.820 You ready to get off my lawn, everybody?

00:39:54.560 You ready to get off my lawn?

00:39:55.920 John, I think the state – speaking of stolen land – the state of music today in this country in general.

00:40:04.340 Don't tell me, oh, I love this band or, oh, but what about this country?

00:40:07.980 I don't know anything about country music.

00:40:09.800 I know more about college SEC football coaches than I do about country music.

00:40:15.060 So don't come at me with the country music.

00:40:17.080 Clay's like, yeah, it's actually true.

00:40:18.640 Who is the guy that you're like, you don't know who that is?

00:40:21.780 Morgan Wallen.

00:40:22.640 Oh, yeah.

00:40:23.780 Clay's like, Morgan Wallen.

00:40:24.960 I'm like, is that a rum?

00:40:26.900 Is that like a rum company?

00:40:28.020 You not knowing Pat Summerall and Morgan Wallen is – they're very different universes.

00:40:33.820 But, yeah, Morgan Wallen is one of the only artists in the world, frankly, that can sell out stadiums all around the country.

00:40:41.620 And now I celebrate his whole catalog, including the throwing the chair off the roof, apparently.

00:40:45.160 Anyway, I think the state of music today in America is absolutely abysmal, absolutely abysmal.

00:40:54.360 I think that the stuff that people are – first of all, everything is auto-tuned.

00:40:57.320 Everything is overproduced.

00:41:01.300 There's nothing that's – I think music has – people complain about – and a hat tip, Ben Dominic has said something like this on X, and I liked it.

00:41:10.620 I think he's totally right.

00:41:11.760 But I've been thinking this for – that's why I liked his tweet.

00:41:13.880 I've been thinking this for a long time now.

00:41:16.380 Movies have gotten bad.

00:41:17.740 I think you might be able to argue that, like, pop music is even worse than – like, the descent of pop music is even worse than the descent of movies over the last 20 years.

00:41:27.960 What do you attribute that to?

00:41:29.280 Because I think it's certainly true.

00:41:31.600 Is it – so movies, I think it's that everybody got afraid of being targeted on social media.

00:41:37.140 So I think the same thing is true for novels.

00:41:39.560 All of a sudden, if you make a joke that the wrong person is offended by, or you try to write a book, if you're a white person, that's from the perspective of someone other than a white person, it's, oh, cultural appropriation.

00:41:52.500 Is it just a culture of fear in taking risk and everybody so afraid of being targeted in a social media era that – I mean, great art requires risk would be my big picture argument.

00:42:04.900 I think the economics of it have changed a lot.

00:42:10.480 I think that it's far – for most people, it's far less lucrative and far less of a dream to be even just a successful band today than it was before.

00:42:24.360 I just think – think about this.

00:42:25.700 In the 90s, when you – and maybe this is a Gen X millennial thing more than anything else, but the whole notion of the garage band, that you want to get together with your buddies, you're going to have – you're going to get together, you're going to play rock and roll, and maybe you'll play at like the school dance, and then maybe you'll play at a local venue, and then somebody will sign you to some big record label and all this stuff.

00:42:47.380 So this is all gone.

00:42:49.340 This doesn't really exist the same way.

00:42:51.200 You don't have the same aspiration.

00:42:52.880 I don't think people think of rock stars with anywhere near the same – first of all, if you look at the biggest touring acts in the world today, for the most part, with the exception of like a Taylor Swift, and I can't speak to, again, I know nothing about the contemporary hip-hop scene.

00:43:07.620 I know nothing about it.

00:43:08.700 So just put that aside, too.

00:43:09.980 I don't know about country music.

00:43:10.880 I don't know about hip-hop.

00:43:11.500 But, Clay, you look at the bands that are touring, there are parents' bands.

00:43:17.220 Yeah, a lot of them are.

00:43:19.260 It's Bruce Springsteen, the most overrated music act of all time.

00:43:23.380 It's the Beatles – not the Beatles, sorry.

00:43:25.760 Rolling Stones, yeah.

00:43:26.960 The Rolling Stones, that's what I meant.

00:43:28.320 The Rolling Stones, the other ones.

00:43:30.060 These bands are still touring.

00:43:32.060 I mean, they're rolling these guys out there with oxygen tanks attached to them.

00:43:35.500 It's crazy.

00:43:36.660 And these are the bands that are still doing sellout and everything else.

00:43:40.300 So I think that it's very obvious the music industry isn't what it used to be.

00:43:45.660 And I'll just say this.

00:43:47.160 You know, I look forward to introducing my son when he gets old enough to – I don't care who you are.

00:43:53.240 If you have any appreciation for music and you hear like a great ACDC riff or even some of the music we play on the show as our rejoin music,

00:44:04.180 like that Tears for Fear song, which I love, which was my number two behind our theme song to be the theme song on this show,

00:44:12.040 Rule the World, those are – in 50 years, people will be like, that's a great song.

00:44:17.220 There's – the music that's being made over the last 10, 15 years, no one's going to be like, that's a great song.

00:44:21.880 They're going to be like, what is that?

00:44:22.780 Did someone make that with a synthesizer in the room by themselves?

00:44:25.240 It's bizarre.

00:44:26.340 I would argue – and I'm going to get people fired up now – the 90s was the last time when there was great original music being produced

00:44:35.540 across the different bandwidth of audio, right?

00:44:40.420 So you had – I would argue the peak of rock, meaning diversity of rock, was incredible in the 90s.

00:44:48.100 Because rap, I would argue, actually by far peaked in the late 90s.

00:44:52.860 If you go look at all the different rap artists, you could actually understand what a rap artist did back then.

00:44:58.840 My sons listen to rap now.

00:45:00.900 It's all this mumblecore stuff.

00:45:02.620 You can't hear anything the guys are saying.

00:45:04.360 I mean –

00:45:04.680 It's absurd.

00:45:05.280 You go back and look at R&B, which I think is mostly overrated, but all of it peaked in the late 90s in terms of the diversity of music.

00:45:12.600 You go back and look at all of the different bands that put out great music, and since then, it's collapsed.

00:45:19.140 And by the way, it's also collapsed in movies.

00:45:21.260 There's nothing funny that's being produced in movies anymore, I think, because they're all afraid of those things.

00:45:24.560 On the music thing, though, Clay, top music acts in the 90s were global superstars with tremendous cultural resonance.

00:45:33.440 Remember, like, U2, which now, in retrospect, I actually would put it – I listened to a lot of U2 in high school, so I'm guilty of this, too.

00:45:39.940 And some of you are going to boo me for saying this, kind of overrated.

00:45:43.080 A lot of the songs kind of sound the same.

00:45:44.960 But U2 was sort of like Coldplay before there was Coldplay.

00:45:49.020 But they used to travel.

00:45:49.960 They'd meet with the Pope, and they'd meet with the head of the UN, and everyone's like, oh, and music, and music's going to save the world.

00:45:54.820 The Live Aid and all these different things that would go on.

00:45:57.480 The cultural impact of the contemporary music scene 20 years ago and earlier dwarfs what we have today.

00:46:07.440 By far.

00:46:07.760 And honestly, even Taylor Swift, she's super successful.

00:46:10.400 I'm telling you this right now.

00:46:11.340 I'm calling my shot.

00:46:13.040 Girls are not going to be listening to Taylor Swift songs in 20, 30 years. 1.00

00:46:16.040 It's forgettable stuff mostly.

00:46:17.080 You're 100% wrong on that.

00:46:19.960 I give Taylor Swift credit.

00:46:21.420 She's got awful politics. 1.00

00:46:22.960 She writes her own songs.

00:46:24.460 She produces a new album every two years.

00:46:26.900 I'm not saying she's not super talented.

00:46:28.900 Okay, Clay.

00:46:30.240 I'm going to put him on the spot.

00:46:31.320 I'm not good on songs.

00:46:31.760 Okay, Mr. Mustache.

00:46:33.020 What's the best Taylor Swift song you're going to tell us when we come back from this break?

00:46:36.080 I'll do that.

00:46:37.400 And I guarantee you that all the girls listening to Taylor Swift now will be rocking out to it when they're 70.

00:46:42.320 By the way, serious press conference underway.

00:46:44.560 We'll give you the latest on the Savannah Guthrie investigation as well.

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00:48:00.180 Welcome in, everybody, to the third hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:48:05.560 Just a news update here for you.

00:48:09.200 As we are live, we are real time.

00:48:11.060 Not like some of these podcasts that people put out, Mr. Clay,

00:48:14.480 where they, like, tape it on their way to their beach vacation

00:48:17.860 and then play it a week later or something.

00:48:20.100 We're live, baby.

00:48:21.580 We're doing it here for all of you, with you, three hours a day.

00:48:26.100 The beauty of radio and our almost 600 affiliates.

00:48:30.900 The beauty of the iHeart app.

00:48:32.680 We are here.

00:48:33.420 We are with you.

00:48:34.040 We are taking your calls.

00:48:35.640 And we are bringing you the latest up to the minute.

00:48:38.600 I'm just saying, I gotta say, there's no craziness here.

00:48:41.580 We're live.

00:48:42.360 These are the value propositions we bring you.

00:48:44.800 We're live.

00:48:45.760 We tell you the truth.

00:48:47.000 And we're not nuts like some of the folks out there who are building audiences,

00:48:51.840 including on the right, who probably should spend a little time getting some help,

00:48:57.740 looking inward, addressing some of their demons.

00:49:01.280 Just saying, I'm here to help.

00:49:03.240 I'm here to help everybody on the team.

00:49:04.700 Now, U.S. drone, I'm sorry, U.S. rather, has shot down a suspected Iranian drone on approach

00:49:12.680 to an aircraft carrier.

00:49:15.360 That is the breaking news in this moment.

00:49:17.600 Nothing too big, but just note, talking about an aircraft carrier, Clay, I had a lot of these

00:49:22.980 discussions when I was in Taiwan with the president, National Security Advisor of Taiwan,

00:49:27.560 Vice President, the world of surface, naval surface warfare is changing very rapidly.

00:49:37.560 And the projection of force that is possible with aircraft carriers is something that is variable

00:49:46.100 insofar as ship-killing missiles and the technology, hypersonic missiles, and the technology that

00:49:52.540 is developing very rapidly could turn aircraft carriers into multi-billion dollar targets.

00:49:58.760 Well, they're already targets, but target practice.

00:50:01.380 A lot of stuff to look at here in the years ahead.

00:50:05.800 But instead of talking about or going deeper into my analysis of this national security threat,

00:50:10.780 I don't want to forget that Clay, who now has two things going for him, one, a brand new mustache,

00:50:16.540 and two, thinks Taylor Swift is the new Beatles.

00:50:19.060 Do you wish to tell us the greatest Taylor Swift song of all time?

00:50:22.320 Yes. Hold on. Let me tell you that.

00:50:23.620 But first, serious news.

00:50:25.500 We teased that we would mention.

00:50:26.740 You can't go to... I'm talking your mustache and Taylor Swift.

00:50:29.200 I'm pivoting from the serious... You can't pivot my pivot.

00:50:32.540 Okay, go ahead. Give us your serious news.

00:50:35.000 So, we don't know what happened to Nancy Guthrie.

00:50:38.340 I told you that they were going to have a press conference.

00:50:41.320 This is the number one story on every newscast.

00:50:44.260 Nancy Guthrie, mother of Savannah Guthrie.

00:50:48.920 We have a huge audience in Arizona.

00:50:51.380 She was taken against her will.

00:50:53.600 There is no surveillance video.

00:50:55.200 They basically have no idea where she is.

00:50:57.400 The FBI is asking, if you have tips on this, 1-800-CALL-FBI.

00:51:04.320 The FBI is now involved.

00:51:06.360 This is in Tucson, Arizona.

00:51:08.240 And basically, no one has any idea what happened to Nancy Guthrie.

00:51:13.660 They believe she was taken against her will.

00:51:16.240 And that's it.

00:51:17.960 I mean, it's a huge mystery.

00:51:19.680 So, there's a lot of interest here.

00:51:21.260 1-800-CALL-FBI.

00:51:22.860 So, I wanted to make sure...

00:51:24.000 I mean, I thought maybe we would get info

00:51:25.820 because they had a press conference scheduled.

00:51:27.880 But the press conference was to let us know

00:51:29.880 that basically they knew nothing.

00:51:31.680 I'm leaving it to you to how you transitioned back to Taylor Swift now

00:51:34.360 because that's a very sad, serious story.

00:51:36.180 So, this is all on you, buddy.

00:51:38.240 Now, I have to pivot back from a serious story to the story that...

00:51:45.120 By the way, Producer Ali, come up here for a sec.

00:51:48.200 We just talked about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:51:50.140 We gave a huge take on Jeffrey Epstein, everything related to Epstein.

00:51:54.660 You are telling me that my take on Taylor Swift

00:51:58.080 has been considered more controversial by this audience

00:52:02.500 than everything we said about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:52:05.760 If you wondered whether the Jeffrey Epstein story is over,

00:52:08.740 you guys are angrier about my Taylor Swift take.

00:52:11.420 Is that correct, Producer Ali?

00:52:13.380 Yes.

00:52:13.640 Yes, there is a waterfall of emails on your Taylor Swift

00:52:17.060 and overall music take coming in, pouring in.

00:52:19.880 All right.

00:52:20.100 The people have spoken and the people are correct.

00:52:23.200 Okay.

00:52:23.520 I'm about to turn that deluge...

00:52:27.340 What's more than a deluge?

00:52:29.240 What would be bigger than a deluge?

00:52:31.260 The cavalcade of emails...

00:52:33.080 Tsunami?

00:52:33.400 I think tsunami is more than a deluge.

00:52:35.980 I think that's right.

00:52:36.920 I'm about to turn the deluge into a tsunami.

00:52:40.080 Taylor Swift is the Beatles of our time.

00:52:43.680 Buck is totally wrong that 20 or 30 years from now,

00:52:47.460 no one will care.

00:52:48.860 Taylor Swift, Buck, get ready.

00:52:51.020 20 or 30 years from now, flag this.

00:52:53.480 I hope I'm alive to take my victory lap.

00:52:56.160 20 or 30 years from now,

00:52:58.260 Taylor Swift will be more popular than she is now.

00:53:02.880 Her music, much like the Beatles music,

00:53:05.720 is going to endure.

00:53:08.140 And she will be touring,

00:53:09.900 much like the Rolling Stones,

00:53:12.240 as long as she's like Mick Jagger

00:53:14.180 and can still walk out there and kick her legs. 1.00

00:53:16.860 She's going to be touring until she's 85 or 90,

00:53:20.960 if she lives that long,

00:53:22.760 singing all these songs.

00:53:24.540 This is a take that's going to go down in history,

00:53:27.060 like whoever said that the internet

00:53:29.800 is going to be as important as the fax machine.

00:53:32.040 I mean, this is an all-timer for you, Clay.

00:53:34.980 All right.

00:53:35.400 Taylor Swift, you know who,

00:53:37.280 you know who people would have said this about,

00:53:38.760 like the icon of teenage girls

00:53:40.760 when we were growing up?

00:53:43.180 Oh my gosh, in 30 years,

00:53:45.940 everyone's going to be listening to the Backstreet Boys.

00:53:49.160 Oh, the Backstreet Boys were huge.

00:53:51.260 The Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, all those boy bands.

00:53:53.860 You could even put them all together.

00:53:56.700 And you would have thought,

00:53:57.820 oh my gosh, they're such a global phenomenon.

00:54:00.620 No one listens to, in fact,

00:54:02.080 hold on, you're wrong about this.

00:54:04.400 They sell out tours like crazy now.

00:54:09.060 There are 50-year-old women right now 1.00

00:54:11.460 who are throwing their radios,

00:54:13.600 if they're physical,

00:54:14.640 across the room that spent $1,000

00:54:17.280 with their girlfriends

00:54:18.560 to get good seats to the Backstreet Boys tour.

00:54:20.880 We do not have a single person.

00:54:22.880 We do not have a single person.

00:54:23.940 We have millions of people.

00:54:25.240 We have a,

00:54:26.000 we have like,

00:54:26.880 the city the size of Chicago

00:54:28.800 of listeners right now

00:54:30.280 listening to us,

00:54:31.200 not a single one of them paid $1,000

00:54:32.660 in the last year

00:54:33.440 for a Backstreet Boys ticket.

00:54:34.820 You're talking crazy talk.

00:54:37.080 I'm saying with her girlfriends.

00:54:38.900 They might have spent $250 each

00:54:41.180 for four of them.

00:54:42.260 If you went to the Backstreet Boys

00:54:44.580 at Buck Sexton right now,

00:54:47.260 get your phones out on Twitter

00:54:49.140 at Clay Travis 2.

00:54:51.240 I want you to let me know.

00:54:52.500 I bet there's,

00:54:53.260 I bet we get...

00:54:53.800 I need you guys to tell Clay

00:54:55.300 to put the Whispering Angel down

00:54:56.740 and get with reality here

00:54:57.860 for a second, okay?

00:54:58.960 I don't know if he's been

00:54:59.560 hitting the rosé early today.

00:55:01.360 This is crazy.

00:55:02.260 Or your wife, right?

00:55:03.460 Because we got a,

00:55:04.060 I think it's 70% male.

00:55:05.820 If your wife did or you did,

00:55:08.560 Backstreet Boy tickets

00:55:09.740 at Buck Sexton at Clay Travis.

00:55:11.700 All right, you asked.

00:55:12.120 Producer Mark loves to tell me

00:55:13.460 that I'm wrong,

00:55:14.200 which is why we've been

00:55:14.880 such good friends now

00:55:15.780 for over a decade.

00:55:17.320 He says the Backstreet Boys

00:55:18.880 have a residency

00:55:19.620 at the Sphere in Vegas

00:55:20.660 that is selling out every night.

00:55:22.760 And it's crazy.

00:55:24.040 That's Vegas.

00:55:24.920 That's not like global.

00:55:26.160 It's crazy expensive.

00:55:27.580 They just had a tour.

00:55:28.560 They were selling out arenas everywhere.

00:55:30.320 All these women. 0.96

00:55:30.980 But Clay, when you're talking

00:55:31.580 about something on the scale

00:55:32.780 of the Beatles, okay,

00:55:34.100 which is what you are,

00:55:35.460 this is a global,

00:55:37.360 cultural, musical phenomenon

00:55:38.940 that is timeless

00:55:41.320 and has lasted for decades.

00:55:43.640 To say that the Backstreet Boys

00:55:44.700 is selling out a venue

00:55:45.680 in Vegas,

00:55:48.520 although it does sound

00:55:49.180 kind of cool, actually.

00:55:50.020 I might have to go chat.

00:55:50.900 I kind of want to see the Sphere.

00:55:52.560 So maybe I'll go to the Backstreet Boys.

00:55:53.060 By the way, is Carrie there? 0.84

00:55:54.820 Carrie's going to spend 1.00

00:55:55.900 $1,000 on these tickets

00:55:57.400 when she finds out about it.

00:55:59.140 All right.

00:55:59.360 Did I ever tell you this?

00:56:01.340 That I hooked a buddy of mine up.

00:56:02.900 I'm going to digress

00:56:03.820 because we're talking music.

00:56:05.540 I was at a birthday party.

00:56:07.840 I was at a birthday party

00:56:09.020 for my brother.

00:56:11.420 And we went to Atlantic City,

00:56:13.620 which is the New York City

00:56:14.700 kid version of Vegas, baby.

00:56:16.280 Vegas, last minute.

00:56:17.760 We go to Atlantic City.

00:56:19.680 And Clay, we're at the Borgata,

00:56:21.480 which I think is the nicest property

00:56:23.180 in Atlantic City.

00:56:24.140 We probably have the manager.

00:56:25.120 I'm probably the manager

00:56:25.820 of the Borgata

00:56:26.340 probably listens to this show.

00:56:27.380 We got a lot of people

00:56:29.020 that run businesses

00:56:30.060 that listen to the show.

00:56:31.060 I think it's the nicest

00:56:31.780 in Atlantic City.

00:56:32.380 We're at the Borgata

00:56:32.980 and we're at their club.

00:56:34.000 I don't remember the name

00:56:34.520 of the club,

00:56:34.980 but their nightclub there.

00:56:36.660 And I'm telling you,

00:56:37.460 there are tumbleweeds

00:56:38.380 blowing through.

00:56:39.540 It is a sad, sad night

00:56:42.080 at the Borgata

00:56:42.920 at like 10 o'clock at night

00:56:44.300 for this birthday night.

00:56:46.280 And out of nowhere,

00:56:49.180 when I tell you

00:56:50.200 there was an influx

00:56:51.360 of 25-year-old

00:56:54.620 to 35-year-old girls,

00:56:57.100 women, 1.00

00:56:58.740 and nothing but,

00:57:01.080 I've never seen anything

00:57:02.340 like this in my life.

00:57:03.580 I was just like,

00:57:04.180 this is,

00:57:04.680 we're there,

00:57:05.800 we're a table of guys,

00:57:07.040 we had no women with us, 0.89

00:57:08.120 we're hoping to meet some ladies. 1.00

00:57:09.300 By the way,

00:57:09.580 one of my friends

00:57:10.100 met his wife this night.

00:57:11.700 Oh, wow.

00:57:12.580 Yeah,

00:57:13.020 and I introduced them.

00:57:14.380 We're a table,

00:57:15.440 by influx,

00:57:16.860 we are the,

00:57:17.340 there were some guys there,

00:57:18.340 but we were the only straight guys

00:57:20.480 in this nightclub pretty much.

00:57:22.540 There were a lot of guys,

00:57:23.160 but they were not straight

00:57:24.280 from my understanding.

00:57:25.700 Madonna

00:57:26.140 had just finished a show

00:57:28.680 at like 11 o'clock at night.

00:57:30.820 A Madonna show got out

00:57:32.400 and flooded,

00:57:34.620 flooded the place

00:57:36.080 with chicks.

00:57:36.900 It was,

00:57:37.480 it was incredible.

00:57:38.360 It was honestly like

00:57:39.100 manna from heaven.

00:57:40.020 I've never,

00:57:40.660 because no dudes.

00:57:41.740 Because what dudes

00:57:42.340 go to a Madonna show?

00:57:43.820 Totally.

00:57:44.480 Not straight dudes.

00:57:46.840 800-282-2882.

00:57:48.540 By the way,

00:57:49.020 Clay's about to pivot back

00:57:51.040 to like whether

00:57:51.520 we're going to bomb or rot again. 0.66

00:57:51.860 No, no, I'm just saying

00:57:52.580 the federal government

00:57:53.520 is back open

00:57:54.280 to the extent anybody cared.

00:57:56.460 All right,

00:57:57.060 here's my songs.

00:57:59.360 Bad Blood,

00:58:00.940 Love Story,

00:58:02.400 You Belong With Me,

00:58:04.200 I Knew You Were Trouble,

00:58:06.020 and Wildest Dreams

00:58:07.400 is my power five

00:58:09.060 in no particular order

00:58:10.460 for Taylor Swift.

00:58:12.080 Others that I'd like.

00:58:12.920 Can you repeat this?

00:58:13.700 Can you repeat this?

00:58:14.300 Yes.

00:58:14.460 My top five,

00:58:15.920 my top five

00:58:17.120 of the modern day

00:58:19.020 Beatle,

00:58:19.720 Taylor Swift.

00:58:21.000 And I'll say this,

00:58:22.100 Buck,

00:58:22.340 I think Taylor Swift

00:58:23.240 has a more substantial

00:58:24.880 catalog of good songs

00:58:26.580 in the decades ahead

00:58:27.720 than the Beatles do.

00:58:29.600 All right,

00:58:29.800 give me your top five again

00:58:30.900 just because I want to make sure

00:58:31.980 that I don't actually know

00:58:32.920 any of these songs

00:58:33.880 because no one cares.

00:58:34.820 Go ahead.

00:58:35.460 Bad Blood,

00:58:36.900 Love Story,

00:58:38.220 You Belong With Me,

00:58:39.820 I Knew You Were Trouble,

00:58:41.380 and Wildest Dreams,

00:58:42.840 My Power Five,

00:58:43.940 two additional honorable mentions.

00:58:45.020 The only one of those songs

00:58:46.120 that I know

00:58:46.540 that you've just mentioned

00:58:47.400 is the number five song.

00:58:48.740 The rest of those songs,

00:58:49.380 I don't even know

00:58:49.880 what they are.

00:58:50.840 You have never heard

00:58:51.660 I Knew You Were Trouble,

00:58:53.120 You Belong With Me,

00:58:54.160 Love Story,

00:58:54.760 or Bad Blood.

00:58:55.460 Now we got Bad Blood,

00:58:56.500 you've never heard that song?

00:58:57.400 I might hear them

00:58:58.000 if they came on,

00:58:58.980 but Clay,

00:58:59.400 to speak about these

00:59:00.200 in the same breath

00:59:01.080 as the Beatles,

00:59:02.580 I would even say

00:59:03.100 to speak about this

00:59:03.680 in the same breath

00:59:04.240 as like Aerosmith.

00:59:05.200 It's just insane.

00:59:06.300 Just insane.

00:59:06.900 She's a modern day Beatle. 0.99

00:59:08.040 And two honorable mentions,

00:59:11.120 shake it off.

00:59:11.900 I gotta say,

00:59:12.960 Clay shaves his beard off,

00:59:14.100 he goes mustache,

00:59:14.900 and all of a sudden

00:59:15.420 he's like Taylor Swift

00:59:16.160 number one fan.

00:59:17.020 Something's happened here.

00:59:17.960 I don't know what's going on.

00:59:19.040 And mean,

00:59:20.200 which my wife likes

00:59:21.360 because she says

00:59:22.460 I am the mean person

00:59:23.820 in the song Mean.

00:59:25.260 Why you gotta be so mean?

00:59:27.200 So,

00:59:27.840 that is my top five

00:59:29.460 and then two honorable mentions.

00:59:31.460 And I'm right,

00:59:32.720 and 30 years from now,

00:59:33.920 if you're still alive,

00:59:35.260 everyone out there listening,

00:59:36.780 you're gonna have to recognize,

00:59:38.380 you know what,

00:59:38.880 Clay Travis nailed this,

00:59:40.060 Taylor Swift is

00:59:41.280 the modern day Beatles

00:59:42.520 and she's gonna continue

00:59:44.220 to sell out

00:59:44.900 places forever.

00:59:47.220 I don't know if this is

00:59:47.840 your most wrong take ever

00:59:49.240 because that's gonna

00:59:50.160 require some digging,

00:59:51.720 but this is definitely,

00:59:52.700 like,

00:59:52.840 I would say that this is getting,

00:59:54.540 you're getting close

00:59:55.200 to your craziest

00:59:57.060 Clay Travis take

00:59:57.980 on the show.

00:59:58.740 A lot of people

00:59:59.640 are going to react

01:00:00.720 to her politics

01:00:01.520 and I am not endorsing that.

01:00:03.600 I think Taylor Swift

01:00:04.520 is a moron

01:00:05.920 when it comes

01:00:06.720 to her political knowledge.

01:00:08.100 But I'm sure the Beatles,

01:00:10.100 by the way,

01:00:11.140 often had political takes

01:00:12.960 that many people

01:00:13.660 would disagree with.

01:00:14.440 Yeah, Lennon was a,

01:00:14.460 I mean,

01:00:14.680 Lennon was a,

01:00:15.340 he might as well

01:00:16.060 have been Lennon.

01:00:16.720 He was a communist.

01:00:17.580 Doesn't mean they're not

01:00:18.360 still talented guys.

01:00:19.860 But yeah,

01:00:20.100 I think Taylor Swift,

01:00:21.140 21st century,

01:00:22.880 the most,

01:00:24.640 in the 21st century,

01:00:25.840 since 2000,

01:00:26.780 the biggest star.

01:00:27.740 I'm excited that on this,

01:00:29.120 in this hour

01:00:29.640 of the Clay Travis

01:00:30.260 and Buck Sexton show,

01:00:31.100 we can all just sit back,

01:00:32.060 relax,

01:00:32.520 and enjoy Clay

01:00:33.360 getting dragged

01:00:34.320 over the metaphorical

01:00:36.240 broken glass

01:00:37.080 of this audience

01:00:37.900 for the next 45 minutes.

01:00:40.340 They are,

01:00:41.220 they are going to come,

01:00:42.560 they're coming after him.

01:00:43.180 What I think is really funny

01:00:44.360 is we've talked about

01:00:45.440 the Save Act,

01:00:46.520 we've talked about Epstein,

01:00:48.960 all these stories.

01:00:50.620 Epstein is the most

01:00:51.900 controversial story

01:00:53.020 in years.

01:00:54.020 Everybody's like,

01:00:54.640 yeah, Clay and Buck,

01:00:55.300 you guys nailed that.

01:00:56.420 My take on Taylor Swift

01:00:58.020 is the one

01:00:58.600 that people are upset about.

01:00:59.620 The stuff that people

01:01:00.380 write about you online

01:01:01.400 that is the meanest,

01:01:02.420 which I do see sometimes,

01:01:03.680 and I'm always like,

01:01:04.460 I'll fight them.

01:01:05.140 It makes me sad.

01:01:05.740 But the meanest

01:01:06.660 are always the people

01:01:07.840 who are mad at you

01:01:08.320 over sports,

01:01:08.860 which I find so funny.

01:01:10.120 Oh, they are.

01:01:11.260 That's why the politics

01:01:12.260 thing doesn't,

01:01:12.920 it doesn't impact me

01:01:13.920 because if you pick

01:01:14.640 a winner of Alabama-Auburn

01:01:16.000 and it's the other side

01:01:16.940 or Ohio State-Michigan,

01:01:18.640 like politics is small stakes

01:01:20.380 compared to the anger

01:01:21.440 of sports fans.

01:01:22.680 They get very angry at you.

01:01:24.420 I was like,

01:01:24.780 wow,

01:01:25.520 the sports ball,

01:01:26.700 very passionate,

01:01:27.680 the sports ball fans.

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