Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 15 2025

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00:00:04.840 Welcome in.

00:00:06.240 We are rolling Tuesday edition.

00:00:08.680 Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.

00:00:11.440 I am in Atlanta, Georgia,

00:00:13.580 where there was a pretty phenomenal

00:00:16.120 home run derby last night.

00:00:18.060 For those of you that

00:00:19.580 may have been paying attention,

00:00:21.540 there were not a lot of sports related

00:00:23.440 activities on the program.

00:00:25.460 Tonight is the all star game,

00:00:27.320 Buck, and in order to get

00:00:29.480 into our Atlanta affiliate

00:00:31.120 studio, which is right by the

00:00:33.100 Atlanta Braves Stadium, they have a

00:00:35.160 huge red carpet for all of the

00:00:37.240 players to walk, and I think

00:00:39.320 I was able to sneak in

00:00:41.280 because otherwise

00:00:43.160 I don't know how you get into

00:00:45.300 this building. So

00:00:46.960 I had to already begin my day

00:00:49.480 engaging in covert activities

00:00:51.260 to even manage to make it into

00:00:53.280 the studio today, but

00:00:55.180 it is an amazing, fun

00:00:57.180 scene in Atlanta as

00:00:59.240 the all star game gets closer

00:01:01.180 appreciate our affiliate down

00:01:02.940 here hosting me in the Atlanta

00:01:05.040 studios. You are in Miami

00:01:07.000 and one of the

00:01:09.220 big questions that has

00:01:10.900 I would say consumed

00:01:13.380 much of the first six

00:01:15.180 months of the Trump

00:01:16.660 2.0 regime

00:01:18.400 is what's going to happen with

00:01:20.620 inflation and Trump

00:01:22.640 barely got any attention at all

00:01:25.100 June. We had a surplus that is we

00:01:27.160 brought in the federal government

00:01:28.600 did more money than we

00:01:30.820 spent, which had not happened in

00:01:32.820 years to a large extent that

00:01:35.080 was occurring because of the

00:01:36.840 tariffs that Trump is bringing

00:01:38.920 to bear. Well, we got inflation

00:01:41.300 related numbers that came out

00:01:43.160 earlier this morning and yet again,

00:01:45.840 despite the attempts of the media

00:01:47.740 to pretend otherwise, the data does

00:01:50.660 not appear to reflect that

00:01:52.860 there is a massive impact

00:01:54.720 of inflation. We've got Treasury

00:01:56.380 Secretary Scott

00:01:57.920 Besson on and I think this is an

00:02:00.440 interesting conversation to have.

00:02:02.440 Was Trump right all along

00:02:04.820 so far about the tariffs

00:02:06.620 and the fact that they would not

00:02:08.040 have a major inflationary impact

00:02:10.460 so far that largely appears to

00:02:12.680 be true here is Scott Besson cut

00:02:14.480 one, but I wouldn't put too

00:02:16.680 much emphasis on one

00:02:18.280 number. I think it's the trend

00:02:20.560 and I think one thing that

00:02:23.540 Wall Street, a lot of

00:02:25.540 economists, market in general

00:02:27.880 got wrong early on was that

00:02:30.100 tariffs were going to cause a 0.98

00:02:32.880 substantial price level rise,

00:02:34.500 which just hasn't happened.

00:02:36.220 OK, Buck, so so far we are

00:02:39.000 balancing the budget in June,

00:02:40.800 which it may be a little bit of

00:02:42.520 a calendar quirk, but it's still

00:02:44.000 a very impressive marker.

00:02:46.260 We are on track for hundreds

00:02:47.940 of billions of dollars in

00:02:49.880 tariffs and so far the overall

00:02:52.440 cost of goods has not

00:02:54.640 substantially altered.

00:02:56.300 Is it time to say, hey, maybe

00:02:59.880 Trump was right or also I think

00:03:01.960 it's worth mentioning near record

00:03:04.480 all time highs in stock prices

00:03:06.820 as we sit here in mid July.

00:03:08.660 We hope that you guys listen to

00:03:11.020 us and stayed pat.

00:03:12.380 The S&P 500 is near an all

00:03:16.900 time record high, just a little

00:03:18.300 bit back off of it that was set

00:03:20.060 recently.

00:03:21.320 Was Trump right?

00:03:22.600 Is it is it time to actually have

00:03:23.960 that conversation about whether

00:03:25.280 the conventional wisdom was

00:03:26.640 totally wrong about this?

00:03:28.600 You can certainly say Trump

00:03:30.720 wasn't as wrong as they said he

00:03:33.120 would be.

00:03:33.680 And they spoke with certainty on

00:03:35.340 these things.

00:03:36.060 The certainty of the consensus,

00:03:39.320 the certainty of economists,

00:03:40.980 in quote, right, all economists

00:03:43.320 know, Clay, that tariffs are

00:03:45.340 going to be inflationary.

00:03:47.220 All economists know that tariffs

00:03:49.620 are going to rise prices.

00:03:51.880 Maybe we should ask those

00:03:53.140 economists what they really

00:03:54.180 know, because that hasn't

00:03:55.680 happened.

00:03:56.080 And to be clear, they said it

00:03:57.840 would happen.

00:03:58.460 It should have happened if they

00:03:59.660 were right right away.

00:04:01.280 And that is not what has

00:04:02.440 occurred here.

00:04:03.020 So once again, we have a

00:04:05.460 situation where I think quite

00:04:07.700 clearly Trump, just like on

00:04:09.840 trade with China, decided that

00:04:12.140 he was going to do something

00:04:13.140 that was against not only the

00:04:14.620 anti-Trump Democrat, everything

00:04:17.520 Trump does is bad, so-called

00:04:19.520 consensus.

00:04:20.020 But even some in his own party,

00:04:22.440 even some who are truly Trump

00:04:24.360 voters and supporters were

00:04:25.720 concerned about the trajectory of

00:04:28.200 this.

00:04:28.460 And meanwhile, it looks like

00:04:31.860 it's the negative has not been

00:04:34.680 really apparent at all.

00:04:36.780 And the positive is also on the

00:04:39.700 positive side of a ledger bigger

00:04:41.560 than was initially anticipated

00:04:44.140 with a hundred billion dollars of

00:04:46.220 revenue coming in via, you know,

00:04:48.700 on the tariffs.

00:04:50.000 You've also got right inflation

00:04:52.540 2.7 percent in June, which is in

00:04:54.880 line with expectations.

00:04:55.800 So staying right steady.

00:04:58.400 And I know that they're now

00:04:59.560 looking for formally, Scott

00:05:02.200 Besson says, the Treasury

00:05:03.140 Secretary, they're looking for a

00:05:05.480 Fed chair to replace the current

00:05:08.720 Fed chair, which I think is long

00:05:11.160 overdue.

00:05:12.400 Well, look, if you told me, hey,

00:05:14.700 what is the most bollocks?

00:05:17.360 There's a fun word.

00:05:18.540 The most flummoxed part.

00:05:21.000 There's another fun word of our

00:05:22.700 economy right now.

00:05:23.760 I would say, and I bet most of you

00:05:25.900 would sign off on this.

00:05:27.560 It's mortgage rates, because as a

00:05:30.780 result of Joe Biden's inflation in

00:05:33.160 2021, we went from about two and a

00:05:36.080 half or three percent mortgage rates

00:05:37.940 to around seven percent.

00:05:40.620 And as a result, the housing market's

00:05:42.680 completely frozen in many respects.

00:05:44.800 And as a result of the housing market

00:05:47.040 market being frozen, lots of you out

00:05:49.400 there might be interested in moving.

00:05:51.620 But because you have such incredible

00:05:54.080 mortgages, you're not selling, you're

00:05:56.580 not moving.

00:05:57.260 That is the rate.

00:05:58.440 Many of you out there would be

00:05:59.920 interested in buying.

00:06:01.240 But the housing market is frozen.

00:06:03.500 And at seven percent on some of these

00:06:06.300 mortgages, you're looking around and

00:06:07.820 saying, I just want to rent.

00:06:09.540 And this is another part where Trump is

00:06:11.480 100 percent right.

00:06:13.040 Our interest rates are too high.

00:06:15.080 They accelerated too rapidly without

00:06:17.420 hardly any parallels historically, because

00:06:21.700 everything was wrong.

00:06:23.740 Jerome Powell completely whiffed.

00:06:25.760 Remember, he said inflation was

00:06:26.960 transitory.

00:06:27.840 They didn't raise rates fast enough.

00:06:29.660 Then they overly raised rates.

00:06:31.700 And right now, the cost of borrowing,

00:06:33.820 particularly as it pertains to the average

00:06:35.680 home.

00:06:36.080 But also, if you're buying a car, if

00:06:38.660 you are paying credit card debt, it's

00:06:40.940 all just too high.

00:06:42.640 And we need I mean, honestly, I think

00:06:44.560 probably our interest rates are about

00:06:46.140 two points too high.

00:06:47.880 And if they would come back by about

00:06:49.220 two points, I think you would see an

00:06:51.000 unfreezing of the housing market, which

00:06:53.700 would accelerate, I think, economic

00:06:55.740 recovery and growth in a substantial

00:06:57.700 way to say nothing of businesses

00:06:59.860 feeling more able to borrow money

00:07:02.960 because the rate at which you're having

00:07:04.380 to pay it back is not so high.

00:07:05.680 So this all to me is interconnected

00:07:07.680 because the reason why Jerome Powell

00:07:10.100 has said he has not cut rates is he

00:07:12.740 says the tariffs have a substantial

00:07:14.560 inflationary impact.

00:07:16.100 We have not seen that so far.

00:07:18.160 I would just say, what has Jerome Powell

00:07:20.600 done well such that we should be trusting

00:07:23.240 his and other Fed governors opinions on

00:07:26.980 this vis-a-vis Trump?

00:07:29.100 Because it seems to me, Trump, if you

00:07:30.860 want to criticize him, you can criticize

00:07:32.940 him for lots of things.

00:07:34.300 The guy understands interest rates in

00:07:35.860 real estate better than maybe any

00:07:37.480 president we have ever had.

00:07:39.080 And I do think that he's right about

00:07:41.700 the fact that our economy is not moving

00:07:44.640 as rapidly as it otherwise would if we

00:07:46.400 could get interest rates correct.

00:07:48.560 Look, the economy is something that

00:07:51.140 unfortunately, I think Trump is almost

00:07:52.780 a victim of his own success with this.

00:07:54.880 There's an expectation based on the

00:07:57.900 first time Trump was in office when he

00:07:59.500 was still learning a lot more on the

00:08:01.260 job and figuring out who his team should

00:08:03.360 be.

00:08:03.640 There was an expectation.

00:08:05.180 Once again, Trump would have a strong

00:08:06.460 economy because he understands business.

00:08:08.360 He understands what will get things

00:08:11.080 going for all of us right at the

00:08:13.180 Democrats always focus on making it

00:08:16.580 seem like there's some class warfare

00:08:18.100 agenda in the Trump economic push.

00:08:20.220 But really it and specifically in the

00:08:22.400 big, beautiful bill, by the way, they

00:08:24.080 look at what does this mean for the

00:08:25.780 average American households disposable

00:08:28.340 income? What does this mean for small

00:08:30.780 businesses that are the still the

00:08:33.040 economic engine of so much hiring and

00:08:35.680 so much of of GDP?

00:08:38.360 So I think that this is so far so good

00:08:42.720 with Trump. It's looking really, really

00:08:44.560 strong. And it is a moment in time where

00:08:47.720 he's not getting all the credit that I

00:08:49.360 think he should or that certainly he

00:08:52.280 would if he were a Democrat, but that he

00:08:53.880 should even for a Republican because there

00:08:55.880 have been some other things on the agenda

00:08:57.880 lately in the news.

00:08:59.320 And also, I think that Trump is expected

00:09:02.020 to do well on the economy.

00:09:03.400 Right. The part of this that's, I think,

00:09:05.340 a bit of a break is or a break from the

00:09:08.640 consensus or the expectation is when he

00:09:12.040 does the things that they say on his own

00:09:13.940 side are going to backfire and it actually

00:09:16.500 looks like it's working.

00:09:18.020 That's the part of this that's pretty

00:09:19.380 remarkable.

00:09:20.580 Now, yes.

00:09:21.520 And if you want to argue on the flip

00:09:23.240 side, they're going to continue to say, oh,

00:09:25.360 the inflation pressure is coming.

00:09:27.020 The inflation pressure is coming.

00:09:29.060 And and so that is what Jerome Powell

00:09:31.860 basically is arguing with that in mind.

00:09:34.700 The the prognostication markets, the

00:09:38.000 prediction markets have it fairly likely

00:09:40.520 that in September we're going to get a

00:09:42.160 rate cut.

00:09:42.600 So that would suggest to me that the Fed is

00:09:46.020 not as worried now about inflation somehow

00:09:49.240 skyrocketing based on the tariff decisions.

00:09:52.560 And it remains to be seen what exactly is

00:09:55.020 going to happen with the tariffs.

00:09:56.300 We've got now an August 1st date.

00:09:58.940 There was a panic on Liberation Day back in

00:10:02.480 early April.

00:10:03.620 Stock market prices sold off substantially.

00:10:06.480 I think Trump is emboldened by the recovery of

00:10:09.420 the stock market prices to hold the line

00:10:12.440 when it comes to trying to put in place

00:10:14.560 good trade deals for the country.

00:10:17.220 And I don't think he's pressured by the

00:10:19.320 trajectory of the stock market like he might

00:10:21.700 have been in April.

00:10:23.520 Now, stock prices go up and down.

00:10:25.240 They adjust constantly based on existing

00:10:27.940 economic data.

00:10:28.920 So there's still much to be seen.

00:10:31.400 But I think it's very hard.

00:10:33.380 We said before the election, Buck, this was a

00:10:35.480 three prong election economy, border crime.

00:10:39.780 Just focused on those three economy stock prices,

00:10:43.820 all time record high inflation back down.

00:10:46.200 Your paychecks are growing faster than the

00:10:48.400 average inflation rate is, which means you have

00:10:51.040 more money in your pocket.

00:10:52.000 That's a very good thing.

00:10:53.280 Border shutdown deportation process underway.

00:10:56.880 We've never had a more secure border and crime.

00:11:00.140 I think this is one story that you and I and a lot

00:11:03.880 of people in media have not focused on enough.

00:11:06.060 And I don't want to jinx things because summer

00:11:08.060 is typically when the overall rates of violent crime

00:11:11.360 increase.

00:11:12.020 Kids are out of school.

00:11:13.380 People have more free time.

00:11:14.800 People are out in the streets more.

00:11:16.220 They stay out later because the sun's up longer.

00:11:18.980 We are potentially heading in 2025 for the lowest

00:11:23.080 national murder rate that we have seen in a

00:11:26.980 generation.

00:11:28.280 Put cops back on the streets.

00:11:30.040 Let them do their jobs.

00:11:31.180 The number of murders is collapsing all over the

00:11:34.760 country because we now have police that are able to do

00:11:38.100 their jobs because we have ICE agents deporting violent

00:11:40.720 predators and criminals.

00:11:42.380 And it's not getting very much attention.

00:11:44.540 And I don't want to jinx it.

00:11:45.840 But as we enter summer, we're staring down potentially a

00:11:49.220 generational decline in violent crime in this country.

00:11:51.700 Yes, it turns out enforcing the law creates more rule of

00:11:55.800 law.

00:11:56.480 And also on the deportation issue, you're starting to see the

00:12:00.660 ramp up is real.

00:12:02.580 This has been promised all along by the Trump administration.

00:12:07.000 And I think, Clay, part of the panic that we've seen and the

00:12:10.380 really ineptitude of Democrats to get their footing going with any

00:12:15.320 kind of messaging here is that the more they show people these

00:12:19.900 immigration raids, the more clear it becomes that a big majority 0.99

00:12:25.140 of the American people, including majorities of forget about

00:12:28.040 political party, black Americans, Latino Americans, Latino

00:12:31.340 Americans, majority want illegals deported.

00:12:34.540 So they keep doing this old playbook of if we just show and we use

00:12:38.880 the usual phrases about, oh, they're just hardworking.

00:12:41.680 And no, actually, these are people that aren't supposed to be in

00:12:43.720 the country.

00:12:44.100 And the American people have decided that that's not going to be

00:12:46.100 okay anymore.

00:12:47.300 Yeah, this is real.

00:12:48.440 And Democrats haven't figured out how they're supposed to 0.61

00:12:51.160 message this.

00:12:51.700 The Abrego Garcia thing was a massive own goal for them, I think.

00:12:55.340 If we all remember that one, the guy got sent to El Salvador,

00:12:57.780 MS-13 guy, alleged.

00:13:00.240 And sure enough, Clay, yeah, they're running low on areas to hit the

00:13:05.820 president on.

00:13:07.160 No doubt.

00:13:07.660 And by the way, the number of Americans, that is American citizens

00:13:12.600 getting jobs, a lot of those Biden jobs, when you go back and look at

00:13:15.740 them, were actually illegal immigrant jobs.

00:13:18.200 The number of American jobs that have skyrocketed under Trump is also

00:13:22.420 substantial.

00:13:22.940 I think you're starting to see that impact.

00:13:24.460 So all of that economy in good place, border in good place, crime in good

00:13:29.220 place.

00:13:29.580 That was the three prongs that Trump ran on as his 2024 platform.

00:13:35.560 And so far, he's delivering there in a big way.

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00:15:14.720 I go ahead and write it down.

00:15:17.620 What are we sitting at here?

00:15:18.600 July 15th, 2025.

00:15:21.680 So this is very much in pencil because it'll be, what, about two and a half years-ish until

00:15:29.760 the Democrats will have to have a nominee for 2028.

00:15:32.880 And that presumes that it ends by Super Tuesday, which will be sometime in March of 2028.

00:15:38.940 But Buck's theory on Gavin Newsom I don't think is a bad one at all.

00:15:43.460 That he's just going to power through, that he thinks he's the guy, the next man up.

00:15:48.720 Now, there will be other people who run, J.B. Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro.

00:15:55.740 And we will see whether any of them are able to give Newsom a real run.

00:16:02.260 But it feels like Newsom is already running because he's doing all these conservative,

00:16:06.980 in quotation mark, podcasts.

00:16:08.240 I will point out, Producer Allie, we invited Gavin Newsom on this program a long time ago, right?

00:16:15.780 And he has never been willing to come on.

00:16:18.300 Is that correct?

00:16:20.080 Okay.

00:16:20.560 So we have had an open invite back when I was sort of enamored of Gavin Newsom.

00:16:26.940 And I just wanted to have a nice Chardonnay with him.

00:16:29.120 We invited him on the program.

00:16:30.660 He has not come on.

00:16:31.820 But he has been doing reach-out to non-traditional Democrat audiences.

00:16:36.860 And our friend, Sean Ryan, who lives just up the road from me in Franklin, Tennessee.

00:16:42.120 Actually, I met him through Buck several years ago, right, as he was starting his show.

00:16:48.180 He had Gavin Newsom on.

00:16:50.380 And he asked Gavin Newsom a question.

00:16:52.040 Hey, what do you think about really young kids, I think he said eight-year-old kids,

00:16:57.900 having gender transition surgeries?

00:17:00.080 Now, this is something that I think 99.9% of parents think is crazy.

00:17:06.120 But it has become Democrat orthodoxy that if your young child tells you,

00:17:11.520 hey, I feel like I'm a girl and you're actually a boy,

00:17:15.620 or I feel like a boy and you're actually a girl,

00:17:18.560 that you should treat it as an honest opinion,

00:17:22.120 and not as just, hey, young kids believe in lots of things that aren't true,

00:17:27.220 and they have very fertile imaginations.

00:17:29.520 Now, you have to treat it as a very serious thing

00:17:31.960 that even might require medical treatment.

00:17:35.620 And Sean Ryan asked Gavin Newsom about that,

00:17:38.040 and I want you to listen to his totally disjointed gobbledygook response,

00:17:44.560 because it's going to basically be his entire 28 campaign

00:17:48.440 is all the things that I support and my party supports,

00:17:52.200 well, I'm just going to talk and try to confuse you.

00:17:54.920 Listen.

00:17:55.080 What about for your values?

00:17:56.640 I mean, is eight years old too young?

00:17:59.060 Yeah, I mean, look, now that I have a nine-year-old,

00:18:03.520 just became nine, come on, man, I get it.

00:18:07.620 So those are legit.

00:18:09.520 You know, it's interesting, just the issue of age,

00:18:13.980 I haven't, as I am, as someone that's been so focused on equality,

00:18:21.380 broadly LGBT rights, particularly though gay marriage.

00:18:26.360 The trans issue for me is also novel.

00:18:29.480 It's over the last few years, I'm trying to understand as much as anyone else.

00:18:34.940 Whole pronoun thing.

00:18:36.360 Trying to understand all of that.

00:18:38.260 You know, that was like, the hell, I mean, all that stuff.

00:18:41.280 I get it.

00:18:42.100 He gets it, Buck.

00:18:44.860 Evil, is it evil Keanu Reeves you call?

00:18:47.500 Evil Keanu.

00:18:50.220 This is what they're going to do.

00:18:51.880 He's going to say he gets that you guys might not agree with it,

00:18:55.600 and it makes it sound like he agrees with you,

00:18:58.260 but listen to that whole answer.

00:19:00.620 He just kind of jumps from one hot-button topic to another

00:19:03.840 without having to take any sides.

00:19:05.380 When we were talking about this clip right before we came on,

00:19:08.220 I said, Clay, he reminds me of the used car salesman

00:19:13.100 who really wants you to like him.

00:19:16.620 He's like, hey, handsome, like, wow, you're a guy who knows his way around cars.

00:19:21.000 Like, you must be, like, fantastic when you're tracking this thing, right?

00:19:25.540 Like, oh, man, love a guy who really, you know, sorry.

00:19:29.300 You get what I'm saying, but won't tell you the price of the car.

00:19:32.360 Like, the one thing you want to know, how much do you want for this car?

00:19:34.580 You can't find out how much the car is,

00:19:36.340 but he just wants to keep on talking to you

00:19:38.700 and getting his hooks into you so he's going to close this deal.

00:19:42.440 He didn't answer the question at all.

00:19:44.620 And this is what, whenever Gavin Newsom is about to be courted,

00:19:46.960 he's like, let's just talk about how amazing the state of California is.

00:19:50.780 I love my state. I love my state.

00:19:52.540 Like, we asked him what you had for breakfast, buddy.

00:19:55.000 Like, no one cares about how much you love the state of California,

00:19:58.500 but his whole thing is going to be he runs with, you know,

00:20:05.540 he runs on charm and hides the substance or has no substance, but same thing.

00:20:12.940 He tries to acknowledge that there is a legitimate reason that people would care about this

00:20:18.960 and then dodges all actual positions that he's going to take.

00:20:25.520 And again, California is a broken, in many ways, left-wing kingdom.

00:20:32.760 And in order to run to represent the entire nation,

00:20:36.280 he's going to have to turn his back on a lot of the crazy of California.

00:20:40.440 And the way he's going to do it is just by trying to acknowledge that he understands the concerns.

00:20:45.020 And he's going to pivot and say things like, we're all Americans, right?

00:20:48.660 This is a conversation.

00:20:49.940 I guarantee you this is where it's headed.

00:20:51.580 This is a real conversation we should have.

00:20:54.300 What do you mean conversation we should have? 1.00

00:20:56.700 Do eight-year-olds deserve to have their penises chopped off? 1.00

00:21:00.240 Is not really a conversation to me. 0.99

00:21:03.620 I mean, it's a pretty easy answer question.

00:21:06.220 And he's going to try to dodge all this.

00:21:08.280 We saw it earlier when he went on the Charlie Kirk podcast,

00:21:11.560 and he tried to say that being male and competing in women's sports was completely unfair.

00:21:18.400 And then what did he do?

00:21:19.760 State of California is fighting right now the Trump administration for trying to say,

00:21:24.760 hey, this shouldn't be allowed to occur.

00:21:26.480 And there is a dude who won track championships in women's high school in California.

00:21:33.260 So he talks out of both sides of his mouth, which is what traditional politicians do.

00:21:38.760 To me, it feels a bit like Bill Clinton, Buck, except he doesn't have like the actual background of Bill Clinton.

00:21:47.320 Bill Clinton was an Arkansas guy who kind of understood things.

00:21:50.480 But Gavin Newsom is an elite, left-wing, rich California guy who reps a lot of those people, and that's his base.

00:22:00.260 And you've had the major outflow of people from California, which I think is one of the most important data points you can have

00:22:08.440 on whether a state is functioning at a level of governance that attracts people versus repels them.

00:22:15.080 And I think that that number, more than anything else, speaks to the challenges that California has.

00:22:22.020 And to me, again, it's like people could say, well, the communists, when they took over the Soviet Union,

00:22:29.740 they had a vast military apparatus, and they had all this, well, yeah, of course, because they took it all.

00:22:36.480 Gavin Newsom didn't build Silicon Valley and Hollywood as the epicenter of the global entertainment industry

00:22:43.620 and as the hub for innovation and probably the greatest wealth creation machinery in the modern era, which is Silicon Valley.

00:22:52.600 That just happened to be in the most populous state with the best weather that was built over a period of decades.

00:23:00.400 And that he has taken, this is a lot like the Bill de Blasio phenomenon in New York, those of you who remember.

00:23:04.760 Bill de Blasio came in, he's like, what are you talking about?

00:23:07.560 City streets are clean, crime is low.

00:23:09.740 City's doing great, crime is low.

00:23:11.240 We kept saying, yeah, but you're messing it up.

00:23:13.520 It's going in the wrong direction.

00:23:14.760 And by the time everybody realized, it was like, oh, look, I guess I screwed the whole thing up.

00:23:18.880 But when you take over something that is wealthy and functions well, that iceberg doesn't melt overnight.

00:23:25.420 Gavin's melting the iceberg, though.

00:23:27.540 Or actually, he's filling the iceberg with illegals, but that's what's going on.

00:23:31.940 Yeah, look, I was with a guy from Seattle last night watching the Home Run Derby,

00:23:36.700 and I was having a conversation to this on a certain extent.

00:23:39.340 Like, San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland, along with other West Coast cities,

00:23:45.220 are among the most geographically beautiful in the entire country, as we've talked about on this program.

00:23:50.560 And it's as if the luxury that they have for all of those beautiful attributes to their cities,

00:23:58.520 they can otherwise take everything else for granted,

00:24:01.820 and they don't have to worry about trying to have a functional city.

00:24:05.800 And finally, it seems like, at least in San Francisco, for instance, people are fed up.

00:24:11.740 I was reading the interview with the new San Francisco mayor, who seems reasonable for San Francisco mayors.

00:24:17.860 But to your point, you know, the Bloomberg era was a great one, following Giuliani.

00:24:24.660 And now you've got Mom Donnie saying, hey, Bill de Blasio did a great job.

00:24:29.320 We need more of this, which is actually just eradicating all of the progress that you had over a generation in New York City.

00:24:35.800 It's troubling to see, but it is the reality before us, so we have to call it out.

00:24:41.240 But yeah, Gavin Newsom, I think, is the Democrat right now in the best position to be the voice of that party.

00:24:50.320 You have this other tag team of AOC and Bernie Sanders.

00:24:54.460 And I know that the lunatic base of the Democrat Party gets really riled up about those two.

00:25:01.100 And I've said they're going to try to build AOC out.

00:25:03.220 They're going to try.

00:25:03.880 I don't know if that will be successful.

00:25:05.600 There are some things that we can't necessarily foresee.

00:25:09.260 The mood of the country is what's going on between now and the 2028 election.

00:25:13.780 But Bernie is too old. 1.00

00:25:15.780 And AOC, I think, really is too dumb. 0.99

00:25:18.320 Gavin Newsom is somewhere in the Democrat sweet spot of he can talk the game and he can dodge and he can evade. 0.98

00:25:27.880 And, you know, looks the part, loves talking, loves the sound of his own voice, loves seeing himself on the screen.

00:25:33.380 So that that may be enough with this Democrat Party.

00:25:37.720 We'll see.

00:25:38.720 And he does this thing, too, of, you know, reaching across to the other side.

00:25:43.040 He never actually reaches across to the other side.

00:25:45.620 One of the big things that was bizarre to me was was people said when he did that when he did that, that other podcast, not Sean shows, Charlie show.

00:25:53.300 And he said the thing about trans and how he know he didn't agree that trans athletes shouldn't compete against against transgender, you know, against women.

00:26:04.380 He didn't say that.

00:26:05.660 What he said is basically, I feel your pain or this is.

00:26:09.020 He said it's unfair.

00:26:10.540 He said it's unfair.

00:26:11.540 And then he didn't follow up on it.

00:26:13.260 But he left it and left it open.

00:26:14.400 It's unfair to everybody is the point.

00:26:16.200 It's unfair to the trans athlete. 0.86

00:26:17.700 It's unfair to the female athlete. 1.00

00:26:19.520 It's unfair to society.

00:26:21.460 And that's just a moral relativism that you're going to see a lot of, I think, as the Democrats try to shore up their support by pretending to be something other than that, which they are, which is always the game.

00:26:33.180 Clay, right?

00:26:34.260 Yes.

00:26:34.560 Democrats to win national elections have to pretend not to be Democrats.

00:26:37.760 Look at Joe Biden.

00:26:39.480 If you if you were to line up for this is a perfect example of this.

00:26:44.100 If you lined up what Joe Biden said and was promising in the six months before Election Day in 2020, I know it's COVID and everything else, but, you know, healing, bringing the country together, steady, stable hand, all this stuff.

00:26:57.480 And then the truly left wing lunacy that Biden was actually the biggest open border in our history, you know, the trillions of dollars of completely unnecessary spending, the trans policy stuff, the mask mandates, the or, you know, the vaccine mandates.

00:27:13.620 And you look up Trump ran and said, I'm going to do these things.

00:27:18.580 And he is doing those things.

00:27:20.280 Yes.

00:27:20.920 Democrats have to lie to voters to win enough voters to be in power.

00:27:25.780 And then they hope we just forget every four years.

00:27:28.740 No doubt economy, border crime.

00:27:30.820 It's as easy as EBC.

00:27:32.340 That's exactly what Trump has delivered so far in the first six months.

00:27:35.560 That's what we told you the campaign was.

00:27:37.080 And that's where his focus has been.

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00:28:55.240 Patriots, radio hosts, a couple of regular guys.

00:29:00.980 Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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00:29:07.700 One thing, Clay, that I want to spend some time on in this hour is the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement situation.

00:29:18.840 No surprise, I am sure, to any of you, but Alligator Alcatraz, as it has been named, not too far from where I am.

00:29:27.840 I think it would probably be, I don't know, maybe a two and a half hour drive from here.

00:29:33.600 Based on our drive into the Everglades, it is a substantial effort and hard to get to.

00:29:39.600 We had a very long, arduous drive out to the range, in fact, at the Everglades.

00:29:45.520 But it was a tough one.

00:29:48.300 But yes, Alligator Alcatraz, not too far from where I currently am.

00:29:52.080 Getting a lot of news coverage from Democrats.

00:29:57.480 We're looking to find that thing.

00:29:59.280 If you remember, Clay, under the first Trump administration, it was kids in cages.

00:30:04.520 Remember that?

00:30:04.960 That was the thing.

00:30:06.840 And that was AOC, dressed all in white, crying at the fence.

00:30:10.640 We remember this.

00:30:12.020 And then the Trump administration was like, all right, fine, we're going to do this, change the policy on the family separation issue.

00:30:18.860 And the left saw, oh my gosh, we can emotionally charge this and get outcomes that we want.

00:30:25.360 So that was a thing that was going on.

00:30:27.920 But they haven't found that this time around.

00:30:30.480 And as we see, they are demonizing Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officers.

00:30:35.720 And on the side of the people that would like to dox them and threaten them and threaten their families.

00:30:42.320 I mean, elected Democrats.

00:30:44.300 Because they want to make sure that everybody can know who these guys are.

00:30:47.180 They're not so concerned with, like, any other aspect of law enforcement, it seems.

00:30:51.300 Just this.

00:30:51.800 They want to make sure, oh yes, that we know what they're...

00:30:54.320 Not if they've done misconduct.

00:30:55.520 No, we just need to know who they are all the time.

00:30:58.220 Very strange.

00:31:00.040 Over on MSNBC, this is what they're talking about, Clay.

00:31:04.500 This is cut 16.

00:31:05.540 Rachel Maddow still does stuff over there. 0.97

00:31:08.260 One day a week.

00:31:09.240 One day a week.

00:31:09.980 One day a week.

00:31:10.300 One day a week only, yes.

00:31:11.720 Wow, that's such a nice sinecure she has. 1.00

00:31:14.580 That's such a nice situation.

00:31:16.620 It's like being a tenured professor and making $30 million a year to show up and teach your once-a-week class.

00:31:23.880 A class that nobody should be paying attention to.

00:31:26.360 A class that nobody should want to see.

00:31:28.020 But nonetheless, they're paying her that.

00:31:30.720 Here she is figuring out, she says, what to call these Trump-holding facilities for illegals. 0.67

00:31:37.640 In terms of this facility, you used the term internment camp.

00:31:41.480 And I saw your colleague, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, use that same phrase.

00:31:44.340 Obviously, that's very evocative language with history in this country that is difficult for a lot of people.

00:31:52.220 Talk about why you think that term is appropriate.

00:31:55.120 I've been struggling with that myself just as a broadcaster in terms of how to talk about these things.

00:32:00.000 I mean, in technical terms, if you've got a facility that's holding people indefinitely and there's no legal process to get in there and there's no legal process to get out,

00:32:10.440 that is traditionally called a concentration camp or an internment camp.

00:32:14.720 An internment camp or a concentration camp, Clay?

00:32:20.640 Do you think that's going to fly?

00:32:23.040 No.

00:32:23.660 And look, I think the challenge they have is they're on the wrong side of this issue.

00:32:28.700 And this is why I believe in the marketplace of ideas.

00:32:31.340 Because when Trump came down the escalator in 2015 and started arguing for many of the things he's doing now,

00:32:38.060 most Americans disagreed with him.

00:32:39.600 And partly that's a function of how his desires and his goals were covered by the media.

00:32:47.400 I don't think there's any way to sugarcoat that.

00:32:49.980 But over time, I believe Trump has convinced the vast majority of Americans that we can't have 20 million plus illegals. 0.83

00:32:57.500 And the reason I use 20 million as the number is because that's the number Tom Holman told me a few months ago he believes are illegally in the country.

00:33:05.220 Now, I would imagine that number is beginning to decline slowly.

00:33:10.060 But what you're seeing is this is the root cause of a huge amount of the problems that we have in this country.

00:33:18.460 Whether it's, and I know a lot of you have experienced this,

00:33:21.700 the number of illegal immigrant children that are being educated in American schools.

00:33:26.360 Whether it is the number of illegal immigrant criminals who are committing violent acts in this country. 0.99

00:33:32.340 Whether it is the number of illegal immigrants who are taking jobs that otherwise Americans would not take. 0.57

00:33:37.260 You know what I've started to see vanish, Buck?

00:33:40.120 Is the argument of, oh, these are jobs that Americans won't do.

00:33:45.520 That is such an arrogant argument to me.

00:33:48.380 Because the entire basis of commerce is if you pay people enough to do a job, eventually they will do it.

00:33:57.760 And what was it, the meatpacking facility that got raided in Nebraska, if I'm not mistaken?

00:34:05.460 They had to go back and rehire, and they were flooded with applicants who were interested in those jobs.

00:34:12.440 And so I just look at it as, yes, it may be sometimes easier, and certainly it's cheaper, to go with illegal immigrants as workers. 0.98

00:34:22.400 But if you eliminate that opportunity and force business to have to pay American citizens to do the jobs,

00:34:30.320 costs don't go up that much, and the end result is actually much more of a positive in this country.

00:34:38.080 By the way, number one way, I know in New York City, Mom Donnie's game plan here,

00:34:44.240 he ran to a large extent on things cost too much, in particular rent.

00:34:49.300 What would rent be in New York City if we eliminated a million-some-odd illegals from the rental markets? 1.00

00:34:56.180 Basic economics would suggest that the cost of living for rent would go down for all American citizens in New York City, for instance.

00:35:05.580 I'll tell you this, the hotels, this is a perfect microcosm to macrocosm example of this.

00:35:13.660 Hotels in New York City, in the era of putting all these migrants, these illegals, in New York City hotels, 1.00

00:35:24.400 the highest prices you've ever seen in the history of New York.

00:35:27.160 Yes, it's crazy what it costs to stay in a New York City hotel right now.

00:35:30.700 I mean, some of you are going to choke on your crock of coffee when I tell you this,

00:35:36.140 but you can spend $500 a night during the week off-season in a New York City hotel that's, you know, nice.

00:35:46.860 But, I mean, it's not.

00:35:47.820 There are a lot of places.

00:35:48.880 I can get beachfront up in Jacksonville like a gorgeous resort for $400 or $500 a night.

00:35:57.160 In New York, you can stay in like a Midtown Marriott, you know, like kind of a standard, you know, business-y kind of hotel.

00:36:04.180 And if you want something nice, oh, boy.

00:36:07.380 Christmas season by our station, this is like December 14th or whatever it was,

00:36:13.440 I stayed in a hotel room where, I'm not kidding, I could touch the walls from the bed that I was in.

00:36:20.120 Both sides, right?

00:36:21.280 I mean, they barely could fit a bed in this room.

00:36:23.500 I believe, Producer Allie, it was the cheapest room that they could find in the vicinity of our hotel.

00:36:28.800 Wasn't that room like $800, Allie?

00:36:32.380 $800 a night.

00:36:34.160 One night for a room that I could, when I laid on the bed, I could touch the wall on both sides.

00:36:42.060 And it's because, one, there is the immigrant angle.

00:36:45.500 The other angle, which almost no one talks about, they killed Airbnb in New York City.

00:36:50.160 Yes.

00:36:50.420 Right?

00:36:50.600 So, they had a ton of people out there who were helping to pay their rent by renting out their places.

00:36:57.300 And, by the way, I think it should be legal.

00:37:00.360 Oh, really?

00:37:01.140 I'm pretty supportive of the Airbnb restrictions in New York City.

00:37:06.060 Oh, you are?

00:37:07.200 I am, yeah.

00:37:08.900 Because it's not because of people.

00:37:09.940 Oh, you don't want to live next door to somebody who's renting their place out all the time.

00:37:13.900 Correct.

00:37:14.020 Yeah, I get that.

00:37:14.660 People, it's, and people move into these buildings, and there are, you know, there are rules.

00:37:19.360 There are contracts.

00:37:20.340 They agree to things.

00:37:21.760 And one of the things in a lot of these buildings, and it's true in a lot of cities, right?

00:37:25.720 It's true of, like, your community association.

00:37:28.020 You agree to certain rules, and the rules are for the benefit of everybody.

00:37:30.780 If someone is using their, you know, one-bedroom apartment as, like, an SRO, a single-room occupancy hotel, which used to have a very bad rap from the bad days of New York City when they were, like, drug dens and stuff like that, that causes problems to the rest of the tenants on the floor.

00:37:47.600 Or, I know, I have a friend, I know somebody, who in New York, his building went back and found all of the postings for Airbnb and everything and sued him for all of it and won.

00:38:00.980 Yeah.

00:38:01.060 So, they take this stuff very seriously.

00:38:03.840 I am, I do think it's an, I'm going to sound like Gavin Newsom now, I do think it's a real debate that should be had because I totally understand the idea.

00:38:14.420 And, evidently, it's become a huge issue in many different primary tourist locations around the country.

00:38:21.300 No one wants to live full-time next to a house that is being rented out on Airbnb.

00:38:26.480 In the case of New York, I'm really actually just pro a building or a community can say you can't do this and can drop the hammer if you do it.

00:38:34.820 I actually, I think in the city of New York, they've just decided that unless it's a 30-day, unless it's a 30-day rental, it's a regulation.

00:38:43.140 That, I'm a little more aligned, I think, with how you see it, too.

00:38:47.220 But, I absolutely believe if you move into a building and you sign things that say that this is your primary home and you're not renting it out, you can't rent it out because it's, you know, you've agreed to a contract on entry into that community.

00:39:00.620 Look, we just, Clay, well, I'm now a homeowner for the first time, but some of you are going to laugh.

00:39:05.620 The stuff you've got to do, some of you have lawns.

00:39:07.640 I don't even know what that's like.

00:39:09.160 The Homeowners Association, they lay down the law sometimes on little things.

00:39:14.420 You'd be surprised.

00:39:16.560 It is, yes.

00:39:18.360 The Homeowners Association in America, there's many people out there listening right now that are ready to pull their hair out over whatever disputes are going on there.

00:39:25.980 I do think, though, whatever you think about the Airbnb regulations in New York City and the fact that illegals have filled up a lot of the hotel rooms. 0.99

00:39:33.180 It's about 20%, so you can just take a rough figure would be hotels are all about 20% more expensive than they would otherwise be.

00:39:40.240 I think it gives you a real good examination of basic market economics, right?

00:39:46.220 If you eliminated illegal immigrants from the housing market in New York City and only people who were legally in the United States or, yes, look, on temporary visas, like all those things, right? 0.79

00:39:57.060 The cost for the average property, I believe, in New York City would plummet tremendously.

00:40:01.340 And I think it's true in many different parts of America where housing costs have become prohibitive.

00:40:07.980 And it doesn't take a big city for that reality to be.

00:40:11.140 I mean, it's basic economics.

00:40:13.160 I think J.D. Vance said this in the debate, and the host was like, well, what do you base that on?

00:40:18.380 There's 20 million illegals here.

00:40:20.000 If we took the 20 million illegals out, that is 20 million new properties, residences, apartments, places to live that would be in the marketplace, which wouldn't have as much demand, which would lower the overall cost, I would think, substantially across the board. 0.68

00:40:37.420 It was one of the more brilliant policies, and look, Governor Abbott of Texas does not, I think, get as much credit as he should for this, or people don't think about him enough in this regard, taking illegals and saying, you know what, let's send you right to a sanctuary jurisdiction.

00:40:51.640 They say they want you, we're just helping out, because in the context of New York, it's a big enough city that had enough of a concentration of these illegals that you could really see the economic impact. 0.62

00:41:05.220 You could really see, when they were telling, you know, middle-class neighborhoods of Queens, we're shutting down your local high school, you know, soccer fields or whatever, so we can house these illegals. 1.00

00:41:16.560 You can really see that 30% of emergency room visits were from these migrants who were getting just all of their health care in emergency rooms. 0.99

00:41:24.760 Like, you can see this reality and realize, hold on a second, if that's from 100,000 people in New York City, or 150,000, whatever the number ended up being, what does 20 million do nationwide?

00:41:35.220 Ah, and, you know, I gotta, look, there's a congresswoman down here, Salazar, I saw her, and, you know, she represents a heavily Latino, South Florida constituency, and I love my South Florida, Venezuelan, and Cuban Americans, they're fantastic people, but illegals gotta go, and she's playing this whole game of, oh, but we need dignity for people, not amnesty, but dignity.

00:41:59.660 No, she means amnesty, actually.

00:42:01.580 She should just, she should just say what she, I think she's actually my congresswoman. 1.00

00:42:06.280 She should just say, I want amnesty for people who have been here for more than five years who are illegal.

00:42:11.780 Like, let's have a conversation like adults.

00:42:13.840 I would disagree with that, obviously, but don't give me this thing of, I'm fighting for dignity for people.

00:42:19.260 What does that mean?

00:42:20.520 That's like the Gavin Newsom thing.

00:42:22.240 Totally.

00:42:22.520 Clay, Clay, Clay, hold on a second, Clay.

00:42:25.080 I hear exactly the perspective you're bringing to this critical, it's like, what does that mean?

00:42:32.080 It means nothing. 0.98

00:42:33.460 Your eight-year-old, Gavin, do you think eight-year-olds should be able to have their genitals chopped off? 0.99

00:42:38.500 I totally get the interest. 0.98

00:42:41.020 I mean, I'm just like, how is this real? 0.87

00:42:43.540 The answer is no, no, eight-year-olds should not be able to have their genitals. 0.98

00:42:46.820 This is an easy question. 0.57

00:42:48.040 A big no, but.

00:42:49.600 He's like, yeah, he's like, you know, when you ask these questions, it just reminds me of how smart you are

00:42:53.640 and how we can all be friends until I'm president, and then I'll destroy everything you've ever loved or held dear.

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00:45:37.140 Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck.

00:45:39.420 It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.

00:45:42.400 The formal name is BRICS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

00:45:47.260 But they've just added five new members.

00:45:49.440 Smart move to stick with BRICS. 1.00

00:45:51.300 We know what happens when acronyms don't end.

00:45:53.500 They confuse everyone.

00:45:54.600 Well, that's an understatement.

00:45:55.780 BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.

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00:46:19.760 In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the U.S. dollar in global trade.

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00:47:19.120 Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

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00:48:27.500 All right.

00:48:29.260 Let me dive in here, Buck.

00:48:31.660 All-Star game.

00:48:32.700 You may not even really remember this because I think it was early in when we were starting the show.

00:48:38.240 It might have even been right before we started the show.

00:48:40.700 Major League Baseball pulled the All-Star game out of Atlanta.

00:48:43.420 We talked about this yesterday with Governor Brian Kemp because they said that Stacey Abrams and Joe Biden were right and that Jim Crow 2.0, actually Jim Eagle, was what it was described as, was necessary.

00:48:58.580 And they were not allowing minorities to vote.

00:49:01.060 And it's been proven to be 100% not true because the number of voters grew in 2022 and the number of voters grew in 2024.

00:49:09.420 And all the state of Georgia did was strengthen the overall election.

00:49:12.880 So, a reporter decided that she was going to ask a question of the straight sports event that was going on yesterday, the All-Star game preview.

00:49:26.660 And this is absolutely bonkers.

00:49:30.580 But I want to play this for all of you.

00:49:33.860 This was a mask-wearing reporter, to this day, far left-wing reporter covering sports, someone named Jen Ramos-Eisen, writes for a website called Defector. 0.92

00:49:50.280 And this person decided that they were going to take over an All-Star game press conference with this question.

00:49:57.720 Buck, get ready.

00:49:58.580 There is a law on the books here in Atlanta that is a voter suppression law that Joe Biden has called Jim Crow of the 21st century.

00:50:07.220 Dave, in 2021, in the MLB Network special, you said it's about being relentless with our voices and speaking up.

00:50:14.360 And this is not an isolated moment.

00:50:15.780 And it needs to be something talked about on an ongoing basis and being relentless with it.

00:50:21.380 What happened to being relentless with our voices?

00:50:23.540 And why are we in Atlanta when this law is still on the books and it is a dangerous situation to be a journalist in Atlanta because Atlanta has detained the most journalists by ice?

00:50:33.620 Respect and appreciate the way you feel about it.

00:50:37.160 And I would assume that there was a reason or some conversation that was had by the MLB and the state that all parties thought that this would be a wonderful host city for the All-Star game.

00:50:46.300 And I think everybody is all very excited to be back in the beautiful city of Atlanta.

00:50:49.800 All right.

00:50:51.060 So that was Pat McAfee trying to answer the question.

00:50:54.160 That was the host of the event.

00:50:56.000 He works at ESPN.

00:50:58.120 Can you believe that is an All-Star press conference, Buck?

00:51:02.080 All-Star game for Major League Baseball.

00:51:04.280 And this crazy left winger says, how are we here when ice is arresting journalists?

00:51:09.660 And how in the world can you play a game here when basically this Jim Crow law, which has been proven to be a lie, it has not decreased voting.

00:51:21.600 Actually, voting has increased substantially.

00:51:24.020 I know I have blown your mind several times about sports media and how left wing they are.

00:51:29.760 Can you believe that was the second question at the Major League Baseball All-Star game event yesterday?

00:51:35.640 Uh, okay.

00:51:39.820 So I'm just confused a little bit.

00:51:44.220 Where was this person?

00:51:45.540 What publication was she from?

00:51:47.400 Do we know?

00:51:47.860 Something, yeah.

00:51:49.120 Outkick has a story because they dove in to figure out, like, who is this person?

00:51:54.720 That person is a writer for a website called Defector.

00:51:59.020 She showed up, which I guess does some sports. 1.00

00:52:01.060 I don't know how they got credentialed, candidly, but I guess they do some sport.

00:52:06.480 And that person has a wore a mask.

00:52:10.980 So this is not, some people out there are saying, hey, and I'm one of them, Major League Baseball should have to issue a public apology to the state of Georgia,

00:52:19.540 to the city of Atlanta, Braves fans, for pulling the game out under false pretenses, right?

00:52:25.260 They were wrong and they've never acknowledged it.

00:52:27.640 But that's not this.

00:52:28.580 This is, hey, this was the right decision.

00:52:31.100 Why are you guys back here?

00:52:32.760 And oh, by the way, how can you even come here when journalists are being arrested by ICE? 0.55

00:52:37.660 Well, imagine if you, imagine if you banned Atlanta from holding sporting events and then open yourself up to the fact that Atlanta is a, as a city, I believe is about 50% black.

00:52:48.520 It's a majority black city.

00:52:49.860 So you're actually harming black people here when you don't have big events in the city. 0.93

00:52:54.020 So the theory among the left or among some of these, this journalist or whatever, this must be an idea that's out there, is let's punish a great American city that is also majority black. 0.97

00:53:09.920 And, but we will punish the city because it is, the state of Georgia is racist? 0.73

00:53:17.300 That's where we are?

00:53:19.240 We're going to hurt Atlanta, which is a great city, which is a majority black city. 1.00

00:53:23.640 We're going to hurt Atlanta because we want to show that we disagree with a law in the state of Georgia?

00:53:29.020 Like, I don't even know how that holds together.

00:53:32.200 I mean, put aside that the whole thing is absurd and that actually there's been greater black voter turnout than ever before.

00:53:38.560 And there is no voter suppression law in Georgia.

00:53:40.780 And that's all a lie.

00:53:41.720 And the statistics show that.

00:53:43.140 But this is, you know, Clay, some people just want to be mad about things.

00:53:48.500 And I guess this, this journalist had a mask on.

00:53:51.260 Did you tell me that too?

00:53:52.300 Yeah, she had a mask on.

00:53:53.240 Um, and Allie, I, I, Defector is an employee owned sports and culture website brought to you by the former staffers of Deadspin.

00:54:02.320 Oh, that is the, okay. 0.93

00:54:03.740 Communist, evil communist. 1.00

00:54:04.840 She's an evil communist. 1.00

00:54:05.820 Oh, a Deadspin, evil communist. 0.96

00:54:07.300 I know you used to work there, right?

00:54:08.600 I was at, but well, back in the day for, this is taking people back into the history of the internet back in like 08, 09.

00:54:15.400 When I was there, Deadspin was just kind of a bro culture website.

00:54:19.680 Like, Hey, let's have fun.

00:54:21.180 Let's kind of laugh about sports.

00:54:22.700 Their trajectory from sports are fun.

00:54:25.780 Let's laugh about them and like them more to now this Defector site, which is a spinoff of Deadspin to we're going to send an employee in a mask because she's worried about COVID, I guess, to grill Major League Baseball about.

00:54:40.000 I mean, I, there are so many people whose brains have been broken that this could be allowed to have occurred is actually, it's a fascinating story to kind of look at the way they took over the culture of sport through sports media members who are far more left wing than the average fan and allowed those sports media members to terrorize.

00:55:02.000 So many people from speaking out that we really got to the point where dudes are winning women's championships.

00:55:07.760 I, I, I don't think it's coincidental that they tried to take over the culture and they're still trying.

00:55:11.560 I mean, look, just to be clear, I'm, I, I also could tell stories here.

00:55:16.080 Do you know that the Huffington Post, because the media landscape was very different.

00:55:19.860 You were saying Deadspin was different when you were there, right?

00:55:21.960 You know that HuffPost Live used to invite me on?

00:55:26.940 It doesn't surprise me.

00:55:28.000 HuffPost Live, as a conservative, it happened a couple of times, because they thought I, they were like, they're like, well, you're, you may be a conservative, but you're smart.

00:55:35.420 That was always the backhanded thing they would say to me, like the different hosts that would have me on.

00:55:39.400 And I was like, well, a lot of us are smart.

00:55:41.260 I think we're smarter than you guys are.

00:55:43.020 But anyway, put that aside.

00:55:44.740 HuffPost Live, do you remember the site, Mike, M-I-C, Mike.com?

00:55:50.240 I probably, yeah, I do vaguely, I do vaguely, I do vaguely remember that site.

00:55:54.260 But they, they brought me in because they wanted alternate voices, and they talked to me about writing a column for them.

00:55:59.940 This is like, again, this would have been when you were, where were Deadspin, you were 2011 or something, or 2010, or how far back?

00:56:05.300 No, even younger, I mean, the site launched, I think I was there in like, 08.

00:56:10.620 Oh, okay.

00:56:11.020 So I mean, I was a kid, I was still in my 20s.

00:56:13.100 So I'm saying, when I started doing this stuff, which was 2011, even I was like, HuffPost wanted to talk to me, Mike.com.

00:56:19.840 I remember they asked me for my thoughts on police violence, like, what would you write on police violence?

00:56:24.560 And this was the early, it was the early days of Ferguson, so maybe this was like 2012, or 2011, I can't remember now.

00:56:32.920 And I was like, you guys, I remember being there, I never ended up writing anything for them.

00:56:36.600 I remember just thinking, I was like, you guys are insane. 0.91

00:56:39.040 Yeah. 0.97

00:56:39.180 And they had all this venture capital funding and everything else, like the people who work here are crazy.

00:56:43.560 But there was this game of they would have alternate voices and things.

00:56:47.500 The problem is when you let, and this is my real takeaway for all of you, you're like, why are you telling us this media history?

00:56:52.140 No one needs to know.

00:56:52.980 When you let any leftist into an entity, as I always say, it is like in nature an invasive species.

00:56:59.620 They will not just multiply, they will multiply and intentionally block out those who are not leftists, right?

00:57:08.380 So the problem with the European house sparrow, fun fact for all of you, is that the European house sparrow not only is very hardy as a species,

00:57:18.860 but also will destroy the eggs and the nests of other birds.

00:57:23.200 So that it will out-compete them in the area.

00:57:25.920 If you let a leftist into your media organization, or you let enough leftists get a toehold, they will take it over.

00:57:32.920 This has happened at CNN.

00:57:34.240 They will take it over and make it completely insane.

00:57:38.520 It's totally correct.

00:57:40.000 And this is something I've been thinking about a lot, because to your point, the culture used to not be like this.

00:57:45.880 And I'm hoping that we're going to come out of it and return.

00:57:48.440 But I think the only way we can do that is by ridiculing stories like these and making it so clear where, look,

00:57:56.560 if this person wants to share her opinion, then write her opinion.

00:58:01.200 But what she's trying to do is launder her opinion through more famous people and hold their feet to the fire and make them attach to her opinion, right? 0.94

00:58:12.960 My opinion, and I'm speaking as if I was this crazy chick,

00:58:15.780 my opinion is that Atlanta should never be able to host the All-Star Game because they passed this voting bill

00:58:20.980 and also because journalists aren't safe because ICE is going to arrest them.

00:58:25.760 Okay, write that opinion.

00:58:27.600 Don't ask people who are famous to endorse your opinion and turn.

00:58:33.620 Does that make sense?

00:58:34.220 It's agenda journalism, and I think people see it now.

00:58:37.020 But this has been building for a decade or more.

00:58:40.200 And the goal, I think, is quite clear.

00:58:42.660 It's to try to take over big parts of culture and mold them in your direction as opposed to just let people be normal.

00:58:50.220 So I wanted to play that for you because I heard it, and even I was like, oh, the second question at the Major League Baseball All-Star Game?

00:58:55.740 But you also ask yourself, what does this person even want?

00:58:58.980 So this is what I meant by you're going to punish Atlanta?

00:59:01.780 No, the tangible result of what her position would be would be that a majority black city is not able to host a big sporting event. 0.98

00:59:11.320 Sure. 0.99

00:59:11.780 Take money out of the hands of black business owners in a great American city because you're a misanthrope or a malcontent 1.00

00:59:21.780 who just doesn't want to ever be celebrating anything. 0.99

00:59:24.600 You're at a sports conference, for heaven's sakes.

00:59:27.100 And is wrong.

00:59:28.100 Like, whatever, like, you could at least make that argument before the 2022 election and 2024 election happened.

00:59:35.380 Now we know that all that bill did was strengthen the law and that they have actually been proven wrong.

00:59:41.740 The data doesn't lie.

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