Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck

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00:00:04.880 Welcome in the Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.

00:00:08.920 Buck's out the rest of the week.

00:00:10.260 You'll have me solo as we roll through all of the major breaking news stories.

00:00:17.840 And right off the top, I think Buck would have been just as sad about this news as I am.

00:00:23.780 For any of us, particularly that grew up in the 80s and the 90s,

00:00:29.660 Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show.

00:00:32.460 Theo dying earlier this week.

00:00:35.440 But just in the last 30 minutes or so, TMZ reports that Hulk Hogan,

00:00:42.740 71-year-old wrestling superstar who was at the RNC last year,

00:00:50.820 about this time endorsing President Trump, has died.

00:00:56.880 Again, age of 71, if you are of the age, as I know many of you are,

00:01:04.060 who grew up in the 1980s watching wrestling, or if you had kids that loved wrestling,

00:01:11.400 maybe you did.

00:01:12.420 Maybe you were a big Hulkamaniac back in the 1980s and the 1990s.

00:01:17.940 I don't think there are very many people that were more famous in America in the 80s and the 90s than Hulk Hogan.

00:01:27.360 71 years old.

00:01:28.720 I want to play a couple of cuts of Hulk Hogan.

00:01:33.820 Again, the news just coming down.

00:01:35.180 Hulk Hogan dies at 71 years old.

00:01:38.600 Here he was last year.

00:01:39.900 We played some of these cuts for you.

00:01:41.800 Very funny for those of you who remember the speech.

00:01:45.440 Cut 26 Hulk Hogan at the RNC in Milwaukee last year about this time.

00:01:51.480 What you gonna do when Donald Trump and all the Trumpamaniacs run wild on you, brother?

00:02:02.500 Also cut 27.

00:02:05.000 Here, remember, he ripped his shirt off in vintage Hulk Hogan fashion.

00:02:08.660 He seemed very good last year.

00:02:12.160 Reports are early, again, that he had a heart attack at 71 years old.

00:02:17.980 A lot of those wrestlers, what they put their bodies through, have not had very long lives, as many of you know.

00:02:24.760 Here is cut 27.

00:02:26.960 Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off on the RNC stage.

00:02:30.400 This is what it sounded like.

00:02:31.360 What happened last week when they took a shot at my hero?

00:02:38.660 And they tried to kill the next president of the United States.

00:02:46.120 Enough was enough.

00:02:48.980 And I said, let Trumpamania run wild, brother.

00:02:54.040 Let Trumpamania rule again.

00:02:56.900 Let Trumpamania make America great again.

00:03:01.040 And that was an incredible turn on the stage.

00:03:11.080 Now, I know about that.

00:03:12.560 My boys are big wrestling fans, and I know probably a lot of you out there listening are as well.

00:03:17.940 The WWE, back in the day, was the WWF, brought Hulk Hogan back in in, relatively speaking, a warm embrace after scandal had pushed him away for some time.

00:03:31.900 And he appeared on, I believe, the most recent WrestleMania and on several different of their events.

00:03:41.940 So, look, if you want to talk back, I imagine that there are a lot of you out there hearing this news that want to react.

00:03:50.400 If you've got a favorite moment from the Hulksters era, you can talk back.

00:03:58.260 We'll play some of those.

00:03:59.560 I would imagine that this is something that is hitting a lot of people out there who grew up, like I said,

00:04:05.600 in the 80s and 90s, with Hulk Hogan as famous just about as any sports entertainer, media personality, frankly,

00:04:13.740 however you want to classify him, as almost anyone out there.

00:04:18.460 And obviously a huge Donald Trump supporter and an iconic American original.

00:04:25.200 I mean, truly one of the most, only in America, as Don King used to like to say, but truly only in America.

00:04:36.920 I don't know that there are figures like Hulk Hogan who certainly had tremendous global appeal

00:04:42.420 and would have been one of the most recognizable people, I think, anywhere in the United States for sure,

00:04:48.580 even for people that did not care much about wrestling, he was just an absolute icon.

00:04:55.120 So, that news coming down, sad news, Ozzy Osbourne, for those of you who are rock fans,

00:05:01.720 and Malcolm Jamal Warner, if you grew up in the 1980s, 1970s, 1990s, those are three different icons

00:05:11.080 that may well have characterized some of your youth.

00:05:15.000 Okay, so I wanted to share all that with you off the top.

00:05:19.100 I got a text message this morning, I was getting ready for the show,

00:05:22.960 and a friend of the show, we've had him on the show, Alexi Wallace,

00:05:27.540 one of the best American men's soccer players of his era,

00:05:33.120 and an American soccer analyst, a lot of you know him, big fan of the show, awesome guy.

00:05:39.440 He said, hey, I was listening, he listens every day,

00:05:42.160 and he said, I was listening yesterday, and I think, hey man, I speak for a lot of people,

00:05:46.600 the Russiagate story is just, it's a big mess, and the way it's being covered, it's hard to even understand.

00:05:55.720 Can you give us a sense, just distill why it matters, take us through it?

00:06:01.300 I think, and he was speaking on behalf of not only himself, but a lot of other listeners,

00:06:05.440 he said, I just think this is super complicated and confusing.

00:06:09.420 So, I took that to heart, and I got out, for those of you who watch us on YouTube,

00:06:14.200 go subscribe, we're over 90,000 subscribers now, I want us over 100,000.

00:06:19.220 But for those of you who watch on YouTube, this is how I do the show.

00:06:23.040 I am holding up for you right now a yellow legal pad,

00:06:26.800 and I basically just, I'll sit here with a pen in my hand,

00:06:29.760 and I jot down bullet points that I think are important to characterize what exactly a story is.

00:06:37.560 Just a little note, so that I know where I'm going.

00:06:42.340 And this morning, right before the show, I took Alexi's comments to heart,

00:06:47.200 and I just jotted down a flow chart that I think will simplify,

00:06:53.060 in the minds of people out there that are somewhat confused over what happened with Russiagate,

00:06:57.900 I also want to open up phone lines, 800-282-2882, ask questions.

00:07:04.700 There's nothing wrong with not knowing the answer to a question.

00:07:08.760 A lot of people have opinions, but I think very often,

00:07:12.240 the foundational knowledge is very important,

00:07:14.780 because it will allow you to have more intelligent opinions than you otherwise might.

00:07:19.100 So, let's go back in time.

00:07:20.900 Let's go back in time to 2016, to the election night.

00:07:25.820 Hillary Clinton is an overwhelming favorite to win the election,

00:07:31.780 according to all of the quote-unquote experts.

00:07:35.040 I remember sitting, as you probably remember sitting,

00:07:38.660 watching all those election results come in,

00:07:41.120 and seeing what was effectively a cataclysm for the media.

00:07:47.000 All of their predictions, all of their expertise, all of their polls,

00:07:52.180 they were all 100% wrong.

00:07:54.300 And not only were they 100% wrong, but Trump didn't just win.

00:07:58.520 He won what would have to be characterized in many ways as a landslide victory out of nowhere.

00:08:05.600 One states that they said he had no chance of winning,

00:08:08.480 Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, states that he would win again in 2024.

00:08:13.600 But in 2016, they didn't see it coming at all.

00:08:16.020 And so, in the immediate aftermath of Trump's win,

00:08:20.440 the media and the intelligentsia and the entire Democrat establishment

00:08:25.960 had two paths they could have taken.

00:08:29.020 One, they could have said,

00:08:30.660 hey, maybe this guy Donald Trump is a much better politician than we thought he was.

00:08:35.480 And maybe Hillary Clinton is a much worse politician than we thought she was.

00:08:41.400 And they could have gone through all of the returns,

00:08:44.220 and they could have come up with a game plan to try to beat Trump in 2020

00:08:49.980 that acknowledged the significance of his win

00:08:53.760 and also gave credit to him for being an elite politician.

00:08:59.740 They didn't do that.

00:09:01.680 Instead, they went back and they said,

00:09:04.200 there's no way this result could have happened

00:09:07.320 and happened in a legal manner.

00:09:11.120 In other words,

00:09:12.280 Trump had to have cheated.

00:09:14.900 What are we missing?

00:09:16.700 Everybody said Hillary was going to win.

00:09:19.140 What are we missing?

00:09:20.240 What happened to make Trump win?

00:09:24.060 And instead of saying Hillary was a bad candidate,

00:09:26.780 Hillary didn't campaign in the states she should have,

00:09:29.520 Hillary used her resources poorly,

00:09:31.900 she was a thoroughly unlikable person to many,

00:09:35.560 even Obama voters.

00:09:37.160 Remember, Obama came out of nowhere to beat Hillary way back in 2008,

00:09:42.620 despite the fact that Hillary had all of the advantages.

00:09:46.580 What was it that happened?

00:09:48.400 They decided it had to be something outside the bounds of normalcy.

00:09:54.380 There had to be cheating going on.

00:09:56.760 Trump cheated.

00:09:57.920 And I believe what happened was

00:09:59.620 that message was conveyed to the intelligence community,

00:10:03.380 which also was stunned beyond belief that Trump could win.

00:10:07.200 And so they came up with the idea

00:10:09.140 that Russia put its finger on the scale

00:10:12.700 and the story became manufactured narrative.

00:10:17.220 The reason Trump won was Russia.

00:10:19.920 And they even moved beyond Trump won because of Russia

00:10:23.300 to Trump is and was a Russian agent.

00:10:27.900 He is effectively the Manchurian candidate.

00:10:30.120 They took that manufactured evidence

00:10:34.100 that they had created in the intelligence communities

00:10:36.540 out to the Washington Post,

00:10:39.680 the New York Times,

00:10:40.940 ABC, NBC, CBS,

00:10:44.560 CNN, MSNBC,

00:10:46.260 and they all uncritically

00:10:48.640 took that expert intelligence information

00:10:52.440 and trumpeted it as news

00:10:55.360 and said Trump cheated.

00:10:58.220 All of this was the product

00:11:00.040 of Russia's interference in our election.

00:11:02.700 And they did it by saying

00:11:04.520 Russia hacked the election.

00:11:07.060 And many people out there

00:11:09.120 in the media,

00:11:10.680 in the Democrat Party,

00:11:11.820 you can say they're one in the same,

00:11:13.560 decided to immediately put Trump under siege

00:11:17.320 because the idea from the get-go

00:11:19.840 was that he was an illegitimate president.

00:11:22.680 They couldn't accept that Hillary lost.

00:11:25.740 Again, this was the original sin.

00:11:28.340 They had two paths.

00:11:30.700 Hillary just lost.

00:11:31.620 She was a bad candidate.

00:11:32.820 Trump was better than we thought.

00:11:34.220 That is, I think, indisputably true.

00:11:38.320 Instead, they said they had to have cheated.

00:11:41.340 Let's delegitimize Trump right at the outset.

00:11:44.820 They made the calculated decision,

00:11:46.660 hey, this is the path we're going to take.

00:11:49.660 And here is where,

00:11:51.620 Buck, we'll talk about this

00:11:52.740 because I don't think this story is going away.

00:11:54.240 We'll talk about this with Buck

00:11:55.200 when you come back on Monday.

00:11:56.480 I think he would sign on to this.

00:11:58.420 The intelligence agencies are so big

00:12:00.520 that if you want to find a story to tell

00:12:04.080 inside of that intelligence agency,

00:12:06.580 there's somebody with data points

00:12:08.220 that will allow you to tell the story

00:12:09.920 that you want to tell.

00:12:11.520 Uncritically, the Washington Post,

00:12:13.580 New York Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN,

00:12:16.000 MSNBC, they all ran with Russia and Trump cheated.

00:12:21.660 That's why they won the election.

00:12:23.880 If you asked any questions about that,

00:12:26.880 oh, you were complicit as well,

00:12:28.680 maybe Russia was paying you.

00:12:30.120 All of that then leads to basically

00:12:34.420 the entire Trump 1.0 regime

00:12:36.740 being under siege from the moment

00:12:38.920 they came into office.

00:12:41.060 Attorney General won't end it.

00:12:44.180 Says, hey, we've got to have a special counsel

00:12:46.800 to investigate all this Russia collusion.

00:12:49.420 Mueller comes in,

00:12:50.560 spends years investigating.

00:12:52.780 Eventually, what does he come out and say?

00:12:54.400 There's no evidence of collusion, effectively.

00:12:58.740 But it took years.

00:13:01.320 That also, when we come back,

00:13:02.820 I want to talk about this,

00:13:03.880 it wasn't just 2016.

00:13:06.240 All of this also set the table

00:13:08.800 for what I think was the ultimate rig job of 2020,

00:13:13.380 when because they had set the idea

00:13:15.400 that Trump was Putin's stooge,

00:13:18.000 that Trump was working for Russia,

00:13:20.060 when the 100% legitimate Hunter Biden laptop,

00:13:24.420 which indicated so much wrongdoing

00:13:26.860 by the Biden family,

00:13:28.360 when that was in FBI possession,

00:13:31.340 they decided to say,

00:13:33.380 the 51 intelligence agents,

00:13:35.440 that it had all the hallmarks

00:13:37.200 of Russian disinformation.

00:13:39.400 They then sold an additional Russia lie.

00:13:42.800 The idea from the outset was clear.

00:13:45.740 Trump is a Russian stooge.

00:13:47.840 Trump is controlled by Putin.

00:13:49.800 The only way he could have won in 2016

00:13:53.160 was by Russian interference.

00:13:56.800 It was all a lie.

00:13:58.680 And what Tulsi was talking about yesterday

00:14:00.560 was that even the intelligence agencies themselves

00:14:04.140 did not have the evidence to support the lies

00:14:07.460 that they helped to propagate.

00:14:09.180 That's why all this is significant.

00:14:11.100 800-282-2882.

00:14:13.100 I hope I'm explaining that in a way

00:14:14.880 that is understandable,

00:14:16.260 because I understand certainly

00:14:18.480 how complicated all of this can be

00:14:21.880 and how difficult it is

00:14:23.460 to stay on top of all of this as well.

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00:16:06.800 Sad news as we started off the show

00:16:11.160 reporting Hulk Hogan,

00:16:13.760 71 years old,

00:16:15.580 American original,

00:16:16.920 American icon,

00:16:18.260 passed in the last hour and a half or so.

00:16:22.680 And many reacting to his passing.

00:16:26.200 I asked you guys,

00:16:27.360 you can send me talkbacks

00:16:28.820 of moments that you remember

00:16:31.180 from Hulk Hogan's career.

00:16:32.420 We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.

00:16:36.320 In terms of icon,

00:16:37.840 you spend a lot of time talking

00:16:39.380 about celebrities

00:16:40.880 and impact

00:16:42.420 and the legacy of fame

00:16:44.540 and all of these,

00:16:45.860 I think,

00:16:46.660 just tremendously

00:16:47.460 generational

00:16:49.420 and timeless

00:16:51.240 analyses.

00:16:52.460 where would you put Hulk Hogan

00:16:54.740 on the list of

00:16:56.920 true American originals,

00:16:58.720 celebrities,

00:16:59.360 in that context

00:17:00.980 for which you have spent

00:17:02.400 much of your career

00:17:03.220 writing about?

00:17:04.920 I interviewed Hogan

00:17:06.320 back when he was

00:17:08.700 probably the top

00:17:10.980 wage earner

00:17:12.200 in the wrestling

00:17:13.000 business.

00:17:14.580 and I think he's

00:17:16.320 the most famous

00:17:17.080 wrestler ever.

00:17:19.220 So, I mean,

00:17:19.740 you don't get more iconic

00:17:20.940 in that industry

00:17:22.080 than that.

00:17:23.220 But what is historical

00:17:24.780 importance is

00:17:25.760 is that he destroyed

00:17:27.300 that smear website

00:17:28.840 which was

00:17:31.240 damaging

00:17:32.660 thousands of people.

00:17:33.640 Gawker,

00:17:34.160 he took down.

00:17:35.920 And

00:17:36.480 I admired that

00:17:38.240 because

00:17:39.280 that was the worst.

00:17:41.460 I mean,

00:17:41.860 there are a lot

00:17:42.840 of bad websites now.

00:17:44.020 A lot.

00:17:45.660 Nothing like that.

00:17:47.520 And he took them down

00:17:48.920 single-handedly.

00:17:50.640 It was all him.

00:17:52.420 And that's what

00:17:53.200 I will remember him

00:17:54.460 for as a journalist.

00:17:56.560 The wrestling industry,

00:17:58.360 okay,

00:17:59.780 you know,

00:18:01.100 but

00:18:01.760 what he did was

00:18:03.660 he sent

00:18:04.480 a message

00:18:05.180 that

00:18:05.840 there is a limit

00:18:07.080 to how much

00:18:08.400 you can hurt people

00:18:09.640 using a website

00:18:11.480 or a company.

00:18:12.860 and that was

00:18:13.980 very important

00:18:14.800 for this country.

00:18:16.900 You

00:18:17.540 are

00:18:18.460 writing about

00:18:19.640 right now

00:18:21.380 evil

00:18:22.460 in particular,

00:18:24.420 confronting evil,

00:18:25.720 assessing the worst

00:18:26.580 of the worst.

00:18:27.360 That book is going to come out

00:18:28.340 September 9th

00:18:29.360 very soon.

00:18:30.860 Yesterday,

00:18:31.420 and we didn't talk about it

00:18:32.380 a ton on the show,

00:18:33.980 but yesterday

00:18:35.020 Brian Koberger

00:18:36.440 was confronted

00:18:37.680 by the family

00:18:38.780 and friends

00:18:39.620 of the four

00:18:40.700 young people

00:18:41.540 that he murdered

00:18:42.360 in cold blood

00:18:43.340 in Idaho.

00:18:45.400 What did you think

00:18:46.660 as you watched

00:18:47.680 that

00:18:48.360 in terms of

00:18:50.340 evil

00:18:51.100 and the fact

00:18:52.420 that he just

00:18:52.900 basically has

00:18:53.780 declined to say

00:18:55.420 anything about

00:18:56.180 the crimes

00:18:56.840 that he is committing

00:18:57.580 that

00:18:58.100 the plea

00:18:59.440 that he has entered

00:19:00.060 into

00:19:00.380 is going to save him

00:19:01.240 from the death penalty

00:19:02.120 but means he'll have

00:19:02.840 to spend the rest

00:19:03.460 of his life

00:19:04.020 in prison?

00:19:05.240 That is singular evil,

00:19:09.600 individual evil

00:19:11.040 and it's heinous

00:19:13.040 but it's been

00:19:13.980 in humankind

00:19:15.560 forever,

00:19:17.580 ever since the planet

00:19:18.520 and Neanderthals

00:19:21.160 walked it.

00:19:22.620 It has always been here,

00:19:23.920 singular evil.

00:19:24.820 What I write about

00:19:25.640 in confronting evil

00:19:26.920 is collective evil

00:19:28.440 where you have

00:19:30.400 15 people

00:19:31.400 that we spotlight

00:19:32.980 inside the book

00:19:34.200 that achieved

00:19:35.980 enormous power

00:19:37.200 and they did so

00:19:39.400 in a variety of ways

00:19:40.880 but

00:19:41.740 everyone knew

00:19:43.460 they were evil.

00:19:45.400 There wasn't like

00:19:46.080 a debate about it

00:19:47.280 and yet

00:19:48.660 they were able

00:19:49.520 in their

00:19:50.300 situations,

00:19:51.840 the Ayatollah

00:19:52.560 in Iran,

00:19:53.660 Hitler in Germany,

00:19:55.300 Stalin and Putin

00:19:56.220 in Russia,

00:19:56.840 they were able

00:19:58.080 to get to a position

00:20:00.040 where they killed

00:20:00.740 millions

00:20:01.540 and millions

00:20:02.580 of people

00:20:03.560 untold suffering.

00:20:06.280 That was my

00:20:06.980 fascination.

00:20:08.700 Now,

00:20:08.900 I've covered

00:20:09.320 a lot of stories

00:20:10.240 in my 50 years

00:20:11.320 in journalism

00:20:12.000 and a lot of

00:20:12.760 heinous serial killers.

00:20:14.760 I chased Ted Bundy

00:20:15.960 from coast to coast.

00:20:18.220 He was one of

00:20:18.840 the worst

00:20:19.540 ever

00:20:20.140 and

00:20:21.560 my opinion

00:20:23.220 on it

00:20:23.780 is very simple.

00:20:25.680 These are

00:20:26.560 psychotic

00:20:28.760 people.

00:20:29.620 they're

00:20:30.340 psychopaths

00:20:31.640 and they

00:20:32.700 will commit

00:20:33.400 as much

00:20:33.840 damage

00:20:34.300 as they

00:20:34.780 can.

00:20:35.200 They are

00:20:36.180 evil

00:20:36.720 and

00:20:38.160 society

00:20:38.940 has an

00:20:39.280 obligation

00:20:39.680 to punish

00:20:40.560 them

00:20:40.980 as much

00:20:41.820 as possible.

00:20:42.900 But it's

00:20:43.720 not at the

00:20:44.400 level of what

00:20:45.300 I'm writing

00:20:45.840 about in my

00:20:46.600 upcoming book.

00:20:47.400 We're talking

00:20:49.220 with Bill O'Reilly.

00:20:50.580 We open

00:20:51.180 the show

00:20:51.860 talking about

00:20:52.860 the revelations

00:20:53.740 from

00:20:54.360 Tulsi Gabbard

00:20:56.320 surrounding

00:20:56.940 the 2016

00:20:57.740 election

00:20:58.340 and what

00:20:59.040 the intelligence

00:20:59.700 agencies knew

00:21:00.840 and what

00:21:01.780 they said

00:21:02.440 publicly.

00:21:04.120 What do you

00:21:04.800 think the

00:21:05.240 significance

00:21:05.680 of that story

00:21:07.060 is?

00:21:07.860 And playing

00:21:08.460 it forward,

00:21:09.620 what will

00:21:10.300 the consequences

00:21:11.220 be,

00:21:11.980 if any,

00:21:13.040 legally,

00:21:13.920 in your mind,

00:21:14.640 going forward

00:21:15.500 from the

00:21:15.900 revelations

00:21:16.560 she just

00:21:17.180 shared?

00:21:18.280 Well,

00:21:18.580 Brennan has

00:21:19.280 definite

00:21:19.720 criminal

00:21:20.800 potential.

00:21:22.300 The former

00:21:22.740 CIA chief

00:21:23.880 under

00:21:26.220 Obama.

00:21:29.080 The guy,

00:21:30.540 according to

00:21:31.200 the House

00:21:32.020 report,

00:21:33.600 remember,

00:21:34.120 this is the

00:21:34.500 House Intelligence

00:21:35.240 Committee,

00:21:35.820 two years

00:21:36.320 after the

00:21:36.980 Senate,

00:21:37.360 Richard,

00:21:37.700 there's a lot

00:21:38.180 of new

00:21:38.460 information there

00:21:39.300 and it was

00:21:40.080 chaired by

00:21:40.660 Schiff.

00:21:41.940 So the

00:21:42.380 Democratic

00:21:42.820 majority

00:21:43.500 on this

00:21:44.520 committee,

00:21:45.340 they concluded

00:21:46.100 that at

00:21:46.560 least three

00:21:47.080 times that

00:21:49.020 Brennan knew

00:21:50.040 the information

00:21:51.140 that he was

00:21:52.460 using to

00:21:54.120 get warrants

00:21:54.980 to do other

00:21:55.920 things to

00:21:57.160 damage the

00:21:57.820 Trump

00:21:58.040 administration

00:21:58.780 was false.

00:22:00.760 So if I'm

00:22:01.820 Brennan right

00:22:02.460 now, I'm

00:22:03.280 Coleman for the

00:22:03.960 best lawyer I

00:22:04.740 can find.

00:22:06.300 That looks

00:22:06.800 like a slam

00:22:07.420 dung case to

00:22:08.220 me.

00:22:08.880 That looks

00:22:09.440 like prison

00:22:09.960 time to

00:22:10.500 me.

00:22:11.260 The other

00:22:11.940 is a little

00:22:12.360 murky.

00:22:13.360 I mean,

00:22:13.620 I know

00:22:13.940 the right

00:22:14.340 wing people

00:22:14.900 are jumping

00:22:15.300 up and

00:22:15.600 down going

00:22:16.040 oh, they're

00:22:16.380 going to

00:22:16.580 indict Barack

00:22:17.300 Obama.

00:22:17.800 They're not.

00:22:19.080 That would

00:22:19.700 be impossible.

00:22:20.520 It's not

00:22:20.900 going to

00:22:21.300 happen.

00:22:22.180 So if you

00:22:22.640 want to run

00:22:23.020 around thinking

00:22:23.560 that, fine,

00:22:24.400 but it's

00:22:25.140 not in the

00:22:25.800 real world.

00:22:27.280 Comey, the

00:22:28.260 FBI chief,

00:22:29.340 now there,

00:22:30.920 you'd have to

00:22:31.660 have a testimony

00:22:32.520 inside the

00:22:33.480 bureau.

00:22:34.620 You'd have to

00:22:35.280 have someone

00:22:35.800 inside the

00:22:36.480 bureau that

00:22:37.020 worked and

00:22:37.540 had access to

00:22:38.360 Comey say,

00:22:38.820 yeah, he

00:22:39.860 knew the

00:22:40.400 same thing

00:22:41.080 Brennan

00:22:41.500 knew, and

00:22:43.480 he cooperated

00:22:45.140 with the

00:22:46.120 fraud.

00:22:47.260 That's what

00:22:47.800 you would

00:22:48.100 need to

00:22:48.740 nail Comey

00:22:50.240 in front of

00:22:50.980 a federal

00:22:51.380 grand jury.

00:22:52.100 They may be

00:22:53.000 able to get

00:22:53.400 that.

00:22:54.420 The current

00:22:55.320 Justice Department

00:22:56.000 may be able to

00:22:56.680 get that.

00:22:58.560 And so

00:22:59.160 whenever these

00:23:00.500 stories break,

00:23:01.800 I always tell

00:23:02.920 my listeners

00:23:03.720 and viewers

00:23:04.420 that you

00:23:05.640 have to

00:23:05.940 live in

00:23:06.300 the real

00:23:06.880 world.

00:23:08.280 Supreme

00:23:08.520 Court has

00:23:09.020 ruled clearly

00:23:09.980 in Donald

00:23:10.560 Trump's case

00:23:11.280 in the

00:23:12.480 January 6th

00:23:13.260 that he

00:23:13.720 had the

00:23:14.600 right as

00:23:16.300 president to

00:23:17.940 say and do

00:23:18.740 what he felt

00:23:19.480 was necessary.

00:23:20.720 Barack Obama

00:23:21.240 is going to

00:23:21.600 fall right

00:23:22.220 under that

00:23:22.800 category unless

00:23:23.780 you have

00:23:25.300 Michelle Obama

00:23:26.360 saying,

00:23:27.080 hey, you

00:23:27.380 know, he

00:23:28.660 knew it was

00:23:29.140 a fake.

00:23:30.020 I don't think

00:23:30.900 you're going to

00:23:31.260 get it, but

00:23:31.940 who knows?

00:23:33.880 We're talking

00:23:34.660 to Bill O'Reilly.

00:23:35.880 Got a new

00:23:36.220 book coming

00:23:36.640 out about

00:23:37.360 confronting evil

00:23:38.360 September 9th.

00:23:40.280 What would

00:23:40.920 you tell

00:23:41.200 President Trump

00:23:41.940 he should do

00:23:42.580 about the

00:23:43.260 Epstein

00:23:43.740 revelations and

00:23:45.320 the ongoing

00:23:46.100 story there?

00:23:47.380 If he asked

00:23:47.920 you for advice,

00:23:48.800 your advice

00:23:49.240 would be what?

00:23:50.640 Well, he

00:23:51.060 asked me this

00:23:51.640 morning.

00:23:52.520 Oh, okay.

00:23:53.880 About four

00:23:54.480 hours ago.

00:23:56.560 I got a call

00:23:57.440 from the

00:23:57.700 president and

00:23:59.160 I, you

00:23:59.660 know, I

00:24:00.960 don't,

00:24:01.980 report word

00:24:04.520 for word,

00:24:05.220 but I'll

00:24:05.640 tell you

00:24:06.080 generally my

00:24:07.340 feeling about

00:24:08.200 it, okay?

00:24:09.300 So I don't

00:24:09.860 think that

00:24:10.620 President Trump

00:24:11.180 should answer

00:24:11.660 any questions

00:24:12.500 about Epstein.

00:24:13.940 He should

00:24:14.620 defer to the

00:24:15.360 Justice

00:24:15.640 Department,

00:24:16.800 100%.

00:24:17.600 I would

00:24:18.780 not, as

00:24:19.820 president,

00:24:20.540 allow myself

00:24:21.560 to be besieged

00:24:22.700 by this

00:24:23.380 story.

00:24:25.360 It is a

00:24:26.180 legitimate story

00:24:26.980 in the sense

00:24:27.520 that there

00:24:28.560 are millions

00:24:29.000 of Americans,

00:24:29.740 not just

00:24:30.080 liberal people,

00:24:30.860 but conservatives

00:24:31.760 as well,

00:24:32.680 who believe

00:24:32.980 the fix is

00:24:33.620 in at the

00:24:34.800 federal level.

00:24:35.500 And if you're

00:24:35.780 rich and

00:24:36.100 powerful,

00:24:36.860 you're going

00:24:37.360 to be protected

00:24:38.020 even if you're

00:24:38.600 a criminal.

00:24:39.380 That is a

00:24:40.020 common belief

00:24:40.660 in America.

00:24:41.300 That makes

00:24:41.700 this story

00:24:42.240 valid.

00:24:43.400 So what I

00:24:44.000 would do

00:24:44.420 would be

00:24:44.800 have one

00:24:45.300 spokesperson

00:24:46.000 designated

00:24:46.980 by the

00:24:47.680 Justice

00:24:47.920 Department

00:24:48.500 to deal

00:24:49.540 with this

00:24:50.020 situation

00:24:50.640 and to

00:24:51.560 tell American

00:24:52.920 people,

00:24:53.500 here's what

00:24:54.040 we are

00:24:54.620 doing.

00:24:55.060 If you

00:24:56.440 read the

00:24:56.760 Wall Street

00:24:57.080 Journal report

00:24:57.860 yesterday,

00:24:58.860 it said

00:24:59.540 clearly that

00:25:00.920 in the

00:25:01.560 information

00:25:02.220 compiled by

00:25:02.980 the federal

00:25:03.360 government

00:25:03.760 about Jeffrey

00:25:04.620 Epstein,

00:25:05.280 there are

00:25:05.940 literally

00:25:06.420 hundreds of

00:25:07.540 names in

00:25:09.660 that information.

00:25:11.640 Hundreds.

00:25:13.400 Guys who

00:25:13.980 delivered them

00:25:14.480 bagels,

00:25:15.520 you know,

00:25:16.180 all of those.

00:25:17.600 So these

00:25:18.160 people screaming,

00:25:19.360 oh, you've

00:25:19.620 got to put it

00:25:20.020 all out,

00:25:20.660 that would

00:25:21.080 be billions

00:25:21.680 of dollars

00:25:22.220 in lawsuits

00:25:22.980 if the

00:25:24.400 Justice

00:25:24.620 Department

00:25:25.000 were to

00:25:25.320 do that.

00:25:26.200 Billions.

00:25:27.000 Because if

00:25:27.480 your name

00:25:28.100 is associated

00:25:28.800 with Jeffrey

00:25:29.380 Epstein's

00:25:29.900 name in

00:25:30.200 any capacity,

00:25:32.320 you're going

00:25:32.720 to be harmed.

00:25:34.360 There's not

00:25:34.800 going to be

00:25:35.080 context applied

00:25:35.940 to it by

00:25:36.480 anybody.

00:25:37.940 And so

00:25:38.260 your name

00:25:38.720 pops up

00:25:39.460 alongside

00:25:40.340 Jeffrey

00:25:40.800 Epstein.

00:25:41.460 Whoever

00:25:41.740 doesn't

00:25:42.140 like you

00:25:42.680 is going

00:25:43.460 to use

00:25:43.840 that to

00:25:44.220 hurt you.

00:25:46.220 And so

00:25:46.800 the Justice

00:25:47.860 Department

00:25:48.200 cannot do

00:25:49.160 that.

00:25:50.000 It's

00:25:50.260 impossible.

00:25:51.640 And also

00:25:52.360 in the

00:25:52.700 journal article,

00:25:53.340 and remember

00:25:53.700 the journal

00:25:54.240 article,

00:25:54.620 the journal

00:25:55.460 is going

00:25:55.880 after Trump.

00:25:57.300 They want

00:25:57.820 to hurt

00:25:58.240 Trump,

00:25:59.300 that newspaper,

00:26:00.360 which is

00:26:00.920 going to be

00:26:01.880 catastrophic

00:26:02.380 for the

00:26:03.260 Murdoch family

00:26:03.980 and Fox

00:26:04.480 News down

00:26:05.060 the road.

00:26:07.740 Also in

00:26:08.620 that article

00:26:09.080 is no

00:26:10.120 one is

00:26:11.240 currently under

00:26:12.300 federal

00:26:13.140 investigation in

00:26:14.300 this case.

00:26:15.140 No one.

00:26:15.780 Now the

00:26:17.700 Wall Street

00:26:18.000 Journal is

00:26:19.260 usually pretty

00:26:20.420 accurate in

00:26:21.340 its reportage.

00:26:22.640 I don't

00:26:22.960 know about

00:26:23.480 this birthday

00:26:24.080 card business.

00:26:25.580 Were you

00:26:25.940 stunned by the

00:26:26.840 way?

00:26:27.040 Let me ask

00:26:27.400 you about

00:26:27.660 that.

00:26:28.040 Because to

00:26:28.760 me from a

00:26:29.540 news

00:26:30.000 perspective,

00:26:31.900 I think you

00:26:32.780 first have to

00:26:33.500 ask yourself

00:26:34.160 the question,

00:26:34.820 we're talking

00:26:35.120 to Bill O'Reilly,

00:26:36.260 is this

00:26:37.020 news?

00:26:38.220 And then

00:26:38.840 secondarily you

00:26:40.280 ask, okay,

00:26:41.200 is it relevant

00:26:42.340 news?

00:26:42.680 I don't even

00:26:43.620 get to the

00:26:44.640 second question

00:26:45.540 because Trump

00:26:46.840 doing, even

00:26:47.820 if he did

00:26:48.440 it, a

00:26:48.960 bawdy birthday

00:26:49.840 card 20

00:26:50.760 some odd

00:26:51.220 years ago

00:26:51.880 for Jeffrey

00:26:52.580 Epstein, to

00:26:53.880 me, isn't

00:26:54.680 news.

00:26:55.300 Epstein wasn't

00:26:55.960 a felon then.

00:26:57.180 And so I

00:26:57.640 don't think it

00:26:57.980 would surprise

00:26:58.520 anybody that

00:26:59.240 Trump might

00:26:59.920 have a little

00:27:00.340 bit of a

00:27:00.700 locker room

00:27:01.240 sense of

00:27:01.700 humor back

00:27:03.200 for much of

00:27:04.020 his life.

00:27:04.600 I mean, that's

00:27:04.960 been well

00:27:05.380 chronicled.

00:27:06.360 I'm just

00:27:06.740 kind of

00:27:07.080 surprised that

00:27:07.980 they chose

00:27:08.700 even to run

00:27:09.520 that story.

00:27:11.100 Well, there

00:27:11.780 are three

00:27:11.980 things involved.

00:27:12.680 here.

00:27:13.400 Number one,

00:27:13.920 you're correct.

00:27:14.680 It is not a

00:27:15.780 news story on

00:27:16.920 its own.

00:27:18.800 But what the

00:27:19.640 press is trying

00:27:20.300 to do is link

00:27:21.440 Trump to

00:27:23.220 Epstein in

00:27:25.780 doing bad

00:27:26.420 things.

00:27:27.280 That's what this

00:27:27.960 is all about.

00:27:29.740 That's what the

00:27:30.300 Trump, that's

00:27:31.820 why President

00:27:32.940 Trump should

00:27:33.400 stay away from

00:27:34.280 this, 100%.

00:27:35.460 What the

00:27:36.400 dishonest, corrupt

00:27:37.860 corporate media

00:27:38.940 in America is

00:27:39.620 trying to do is

00:27:40.260 convince Americans

00:27:41.300 that Donald

00:27:42.760 Trump had

00:27:44.360 access to

00:27:45.880 Jeffrey Epstein's

00:27:47.620 crimes and

00:27:50.200 may have

00:27:50.520 participated.

00:27:51.780 That's what the

00:27:52.740 press wants

00:27:53.400 Americans to

00:27:54.180 believe.

00:27:55.160 So any

00:27:56.080 linkage between

00:27:57.080 Trump and

00:27:57.760 Epstein is

00:27:58.720 going to be

00:27:59.080 blown up.

00:28:00.180 This is a

00:28:00.680 very simple

00:28:01.180 story.

00:28:01.740 A forensic

00:28:02.260 can make a

00:28:04.700 determination on

00:28:05.880 whether that

00:28:06.400 card is in

00:28:07.000 Trump's hand or

00:28:07.620 not.

00:28:07.860 Trump says

00:28:09.140 he didn't

00:28:09.440 do it and

00:28:10.600 file suit two

00:28:11.480 days later.

00:28:12.160 Two days?

00:28:13.460 Two days?

00:28:15.380 I mean, come

00:28:16.320 on.

00:28:17.820 That looks like a

00:28:19.240 pretty aggressive

00:28:19.860 action to me.

00:28:22.340 And if the

00:28:22.700 journal is

00:28:23.320 wrong, this is

00:28:24.980 an important

00:28:25.360 point.

00:28:26.420 If the

00:28:26.760 Wall Street

00:28:27.260 Journal published

00:28:28.700 a story using a

00:28:30.300 bogus birthday

00:28:31.760 card that's not

00:28:33.620 real, that was a

00:28:34.620 fraud, the

00:28:36.740 whole thing

00:28:38.020 collapses.

00:28:39.180 Not only the

00:28:40.020 Wall Street

00:28:40.340 Journal, Fox

00:28:41.520 News, everything

00:28:42.460 else.

00:28:43.320 Done.

00:28:45.160 That's how big

00:28:45.920 this story is.

00:28:47.820 Let me ask you

00:28:48.740 the last question

00:28:49.460 here.

00:28:49.820 You mentioned

00:28:50.100 that you talked

00:28:50.620 to President

00:28:51.100 Trump earlier,

00:28:52.240 not asking for

00:28:53.000 particulars of the

00:28:53.820 conversation.

00:28:54.860 How would you

00:28:55.420 assess his

00:28:56.380 overall vibe and

00:28:57.720 demeanor as you

00:28:59.120 just talked to

00:28:59.780 him today compared

00:29:01.260 to so far in

00:29:03.200 this term and

00:29:04.380 also compared to

00:29:05.300 last term?

00:29:06.280 How comfortable,

00:29:07.320 how confident

00:29:08.460 did you find him

00:29:09.340 to be?

00:29:10.520 He's tired.

00:29:12.940 And he's tired

00:29:14.020 because this kind

00:29:14.820 of stuff wears

00:29:15.580 you down.

00:29:17.100 And he believes

00:29:19.100 that he's doing

00:29:19.720 an excellent job

00:29:20.660 for the country.

00:29:22.180 Last night,

00:29:23.320 they had a

00:29:25.100 great deal with

00:29:28.100 Japan announced

00:29:29.180 by the Trump

00:29:29.860 administration.

00:29:30.600 Fabulous.

00:29:31.400 It got not one

00:29:32.280 second of coverage

00:29:33.100 on the nightly

00:29:34.180 newscasts,

00:29:34.800 the three of

00:29:35.180 them,

00:29:35.460 not a second.

00:29:37.120 Epstein got

00:29:37.740 10 minutes.

00:29:40.000 So Trump is

00:29:41.040 furious,

00:29:42.460 furious,

00:29:43.280 because this kind

00:29:44.120 of stuff weighs

00:29:45.340 you down

00:29:46.260 emotionally and

00:29:47.480 mentally.

00:29:48.820 Now,

00:29:49.240 he's the strongest

00:29:49.960 guy I know.

00:29:50.860 I mean,

00:29:51.060 my God.

00:29:52.300 But his hand is

00:29:53.380 welling up because

00:29:54.220 he has to shake

00:29:55.320 hundreds of hands

00:29:56.120 a week.

00:29:56.960 I do fist

00:29:57.740 bumps because I

00:29:58.760 got to shake a lot

00:29:59.400 of hands, too.

00:30:00.100 Everybody knows me

00:30:00.860 wherever I go.

00:30:02.520 But I don't

00:30:03.160 shake hands.

00:30:03.800 And I tell

00:30:04.180 people,

00:30:04.500 look, I can't

00:30:05.400 have a swollen

00:30:06.160 hand.

00:30:07.180 Well, Trump's

00:30:07.720 hand is bothering

00:30:08.660 him.

00:30:09.060 It's painful.

00:30:11.180 Okay?

00:30:11.860 So he's going

00:30:12.280 over to

00:30:12.560 Scotland,

00:30:13.080 Hawaii,

00:30:13.780 play some golf

00:30:14.520 over there,

00:30:15.420 get some,

00:30:15.960 you know,

00:30:16.500 cooler temperatures.

00:30:18.260 And I was

00:30:19.720 asking him,

00:30:20.340 I said,

00:30:20.700 look, you know,

00:30:21.340 you're only a

00:30:22.000 person because

00:30:23.460 I know I'm so

00:30:24.240 long.

00:30:25.180 And I said,

00:30:25.840 you know,

00:30:26.120 you got to be

00:30:27.260 a little,

00:30:28.300 you got to take

00:30:29.060 care of yourself

00:30:29.640 here physically

00:30:31.500 and everything.

00:30:32.200 And that's why

00:30:33.140 my advice,

00:30:34.140 and I hope he

00:30:34.580 takes it,

00:30:35.440 don't acknowledge

00:30:37.180 this Epstein

00:30:37.920 thing at all.

00:30:39.300 Let the

00:30:40.060 Justice Department

00:30:41.020 handle it.

00:30:43.040 And that's

00:30:43.720 that.

00:30:45.480 Bill O'Reilly,

00:30:46.560 fantastic as

00:30:47.400 always.

00:30:48.060 The book coming

00:30:48.640 out is

00:30:49.660 Confronting Evil,

00:30:50.940 Assessing the

00:30:51.500 Worst of the

00:30:52.080 Worst.

00:30:52.540 It will be out

00:30:53.140 September 9th.

00:30:54.200 We look forward

00:30:54.740 to talking to

00:30:55.260 you again.

00:30:55.840 You can also

00:30:56.200 check him out

00:30:56.680 at BillOReilly.com.

00:30:58.500 Read his columns

00:30:59.320 there.

00:31:00.200 Appreciate you,

00:31:00.620 sir.

00:31:01.440 All right,

00:31:01.880 Clay,

00:31:02.060 one more thing.

00:31:02.900 We just passed

00:31:03.540 a million subscribers

00:31:05.340 on YouTube.

00:31:06.720 That's important.

00:31:07.580 In three months.

00:31:10.080 And it's

00:31:11.420 YouTube.com

00:31:13.000 slash Bill O'Reilly.

00:31:14.660 And it's totally

00:31:15.480 different than what

00:31:16.200 we do on our

00:31:16.760 television broadcast.

00:31:17.700 And I appreciate

00:31:18.200 you having me on.

00:31:19.280 Tell Buck I think

00:31:20.440 he's faking it.

00:31:22.000 Okay,

00:31:22.280 I think Buck's

00:31:22.800 faking it.

00:31:24.200 All right.

00:31:25.360 But I'll be

00:31:26.040 listening on Monday

00:31:26.720 when you guys

00:31:27.240 get together again.

00:31:28.740 Appreciate you,

00:31:29.540 sir.

00:31:29.900 And go check out

00:31:30.860 his YouTube page.

00:31:31.860 You can also

00:31:32.420 check out our

00:31:33.460 YouTube page.

00:31:34.060 Bill O'Reilly's

00:31:34.780 dunking on us.

00:31:35.920 He just said he's

00:31:36.440 got a million

00:31:36.940 subscribers.

00:31:37.740 What do we have?

00:31:38.240 I'm pulling it up

00:31:38.820 right now.

00:31:39.600 90,000.

00:31:40.800 We have gone over

00:31:41.860 90,000 subscribers.

00:31:44.100 I want us over

00:31:44.960 100K.

00:31:46.540 Bill O'Reilly's

00:31:47.300 got a million.

00:31:48.120 He just dunked on

00:31:48.880 us right there.

00:31:49.360 I didn't even know

00:31:49.820 he was going to do

00:31:50.420 it.

00:31:50.600 He's got us 10 to

00:31:51.300 one.

00:31:51.580 Can you please

00:31:52.580 go subscribe?

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00:31:54.200 Clay Travis.

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00:31:58.200 up past 100K.

00:32:00.000 Look, you guys know

00:32:01.040 I'm a huge sports fan.

00:32:02.660 MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL,

00:32:06.120 college baseball,

00:32:07.020 college basketball,

00:32:07.940 college football.

00:32:08.560 I love it all.

00:32:09.460 And I love the

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00:32:17.060 now.

00:32:17.480 All you have to do is

00:32:18.580 use my name, Clay.

00:32:20.080 You play $5, pick more

00:32:21.740 or less for whoever

00:32:22.760 your favorite athletes

00:32:23.660 are.

00:32:24.060 Look, I got to be

00:32:24.580 honest with you.

00:32:25.300 The Braves stink.

00:32:26.540 The Braves are awful

00:32:27.480 this year.

00:32:27.940 They are the Travis

00:32:28.700 family team.

00:32:29.780 Ronald Acuna is really

00:32:30.780 good though.

00:32:31.500 So we can at least go

00:32:32.420 look at his stats and

00:32:33.380 we can say, okay, we're

00:32:34.240 going to take more.

00:32:35.440 That's at least an

00:32:36.020 incentive to watch because

00:32:37.200 he is a phenomenal

00:32:38.020 player.

00:32:38.520 Maybe your baseball team

00:32:39.360 is playing great.

00:32:40.040 Maybe they're playing

00:32:40.500 poorly.

00:32:41.280 But I guarantee you

00:32:42.000 there's a player at

00:32:42.860 least on that team

00:32:43.780 that is having a good

00:32:44.600 season.

00:32:45.120 You can have fun with

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00:32:46.720 All you have to do is

00:32:47.540 go download the Price

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00:33:14.600 Breaking news as we

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00:33:16.680 Sad news, especially

00:33:17.800 for those of you who

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00:33:52.260 And so we will

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00:34:00.940 We talked all about

00:34:02.360 the Russiagate and

00:34:05.640 why it mattered and

00:34:07.100 why it was significant

00:34:08.200 and where I thought

00:34:09.580 things were headed now

00:34:11.220 after the revelations

00:34:12.460 from Tulsi Gabbard

00:34:13.500 yesterday.

00:34:14.480 A lot of you asking

00:34:15.740 questions.

00:34:16.300 We'll continue to

00:34:17.320 discuss those.

00:34:18.460 I would put our

00:34:19.900 analysis of the

00:34:21.280 larger Russiagate

00:34:22.300 question up against

00:34:23.440 almost anyone, maybe

00:34:24.980 everyone in all of

00:34:26.600 media in terms of

00:34:27.760 telling you why it

00:34:28.760 matters and where we

00:34:29.960 go from here.

00:34:31.160 All of that coming

00:34:33.020 still down as the

00:34:36.160 days and weeks

00:34:36.760 continue.

00:34:37.740 Also, Epstein, the

00:34:39.780 grand jury testimony

00:34:41.160 refused to be released

00:34:42.380 by an Obama

00:34:43.060 appointed judge.

00:34:44.520 The grand jury

00:34:45.240 testimony.

00:34:46.320 Right now, there is

00:34:48.180 a meeting going on

00:34:49.360 between Jelaine

00:34:50.260 Maxwell and one of

00:34:52.560 the top officials in

00:34:54.480 the Department of

00:34:55.160 Justice, one of the

00:34:55.920 Deputy Attorney

00:34:56.840 Generals.

00:34:57.760 We will find out if

00:34:59.260 any news emerges

00:35:00.660 from that.

00:35:01.280 Jelaine Maxwell

00:35:01.980 convicted of sex

00:35:03.260 trafficking, currently

00:35:04.800 serving 20 years in

00:35:06.740 prison as a part of

00:35:09.220 those convictions.

00:35:09.860 She is in

00:35:10.600 Tallahassee, Florida,

00:35:11.640 and we will give you

00:35:13.460 the latest as more

00:35:14.740 details emerge there.

00:35:16.960 But I did want to

00:35:18.300 have some fun.

00:35:19.400 We got a bunch of

00:35:20.220 clips out there, and

00:35:21.180 we almost talked about

00:35:22.000 this yesterday, but

00:35:22.760 then all the Russiagate

00:35:23.860 news happened, and I

00:35:25.680 thought this was super

00:35:26.980 fascinating.

00:35:28.720 I believe really Sonny

00:35:30.420 Hostin is the dumbest

00:35:31.560 person who's on

00:35:32.500 television daily in

00:35:34.000 media, and that

00:35:35.580 might be unfair to

00:35:36.440 her because certainly

00:35:38.040 there are lots of her

00:35:39.160 castmates on The

00:35:40.100 View that give her a

00:35:41.180 run, whether it's

00:35:41.900 Joy Behar, Whoopi

00:35:43.420 Goldberg, but those

00:35:45.220 people are actually

00:35:46.000 comedians.

00:35:46.960 And I don't know

00:35:47.880 that most of us look

00:35:48.740 around and say,

00:35:49.460 hey, you know who

00:35:49.840 the most brilliant

00:35:50.960 people in America are?

00:35:52.900 Comedians.

00:35:53.560 I don't necessarily

00:35:54.440 look to Joy Behar or

00:35:56.300 Whoopi Goldberg to be

00:35:57.520 able to explain

00:35:58.400 complicated things to

00:35:59.880 large audiences.

00:36:00.900 Sonny Hostin, I

00:36:03.080 believe, has a law

00:36:04.180 degree from Notre

00:36:05.320 Dame.

00:36:06.080 Team, will you

00:36:06.920 confirm that that is

00:36:07.900 correct?

00:36:08.900 The Fighting Irish gave

00:36:11.080 Sonny Hostin a law

00:36:13.500 degree.

00:36:14.220 I know she has a law

00:36:15.360 degree.

00:36:15.660 I think it's from

00:36:16.260 Notre Dame.

00:36:17.800 But her inability to

00:36:20.280 understand basic

00:36:22.280 legal-related issues

00:36:24.200 when she's talking to

00:36:25.500 her audience suggests

00:36:27.380 to me that Notre

00:36:28.520 Dame should ask for

00:36:29.960 that law degree back.

00:36:31.820 Here is Sonny Hostin

00:36:33.000 yesterday on The

00:36:34.300 View saying, firing

00:36:36.500 Stephen Colbert is

00:36:38.560 the dismantling of

00:36:40.480 our democracy and

00:36:42.220 the dismantling of

00:36:43.640 our Constitution.

00:36:45.340 Listen to Cut 10.

00:36:46.460 If it is political,

00:36:47.580 this is the

00:36:48.100 dismantling of our

00:36:49.260 democracy.

00:36:50.020 This is the

00:36:50.440 dismantling of our

00:36:51.500 Constitution.

00:36:52.600 Right?

00:36:53.260 And so the First

00:36:54.320 Amendment is the

00:36:54.980 First Amendment for a

00:36:55.860 reason, and that is

00:36:56.740 freedom of the press,

00:36:57.880 freedom of speech,

00:36:58.860 freedom to speak

00:36:59.640 truth to power, if

00:37:00.860 that is taken away,

00:37:02.100 if the comedians are

00:37:03.360 being attacked, then

00:37:04.560 that means our

00:37:05.400 Constitution is being

00:37:06.660 dismantled.

00:37:07.620 That means the very

00:37:08.380 rubric of our

00:37:09.220 democracy is being

00:37:10.520 dismantled.

00:37:11.260 And I think every

00:37:12.140 single person should be

00:37:13.240 really, really concerned

00:37:14.820 about it.

00:37:15.260 And if we find out it

00:37:16.660 is political, what are

00:37:18.140 we going to do as a

00:37:19.620 country?

00:37:20.020 We must protect our

00:37:21.400 Constitution and we

00:37:22.380 must protect our

00:37:23.260 democracy.

00:37:23.720 She is a moron.

00:37:26.560 She does, in fact, have

00:37:28.120 a law degree from

00:37:29.260 Notre Dame.

00:37:30.740 Notre Dame, after that

00:37:32.000 segment aired, should

00:37:33.080 say, actually, could we

00:37:34.680 please have your JD

00:37:35.580 back?

00:37:36.360 I don't know if she

00:37:37.260 ever passed a bar exam.

00:37:38.740 If she did, that is

00:37:40.880 unbelievable.

00:37:43.360 By the way, ABC, I'm

00:37:44.640 just getting an update.

00:37:46.000 ABC got back with us

00:37:48.040 after we invited

00:37:49.240 ourselves onto the

00:37:50.440 View.

00:37:51.240 Our producer, Ali, we

00:37:53.040 got an email.

00:37:53.920 Hi, tomorrow is our

00:37:55.160 last day in studio for

00:37:56.680 this season.

00:37:57.820 The show returns in

00:37:59.000 September for the new

00:38:00.020 season.

00:38:00.920 We then said we would

00:38:02.060 do any day that they

00:38:03.040 wanted in the new

00:38:03.820 season.

00:38:04.260 They have not

00:38:04.800 responded.

00:38:05.740 So we at least now

00:38:06.880 have made contact with

00:38:07.960 the View and

00:38:08.540 negotiations are ongoing

00:38:09.920 and by negotiations, I

00:38:11.420 mean we are happy to

00:38:12.440 go on anytime and they

00:38:14.160 are likely to tell us

00:38:15.140 that they will not have

00:38:16.140 us on anytime.

00:38:17.180 But that's how

00:38:18.000 negotiations are going.

00:38:19.520 It's kind of like

00:38:20.340 how the single guys

00:38:21.660 out there in

00:38:22.120 negotiations to date

00:38:23.280 Sidney Sweeney are

00:38:24.180 going.

00:38:25.060 Hey, Sidney, anywhere

00:38:26.300 you want to go, I'll

00:38:27.700 show up, we'll date.

00:38:29.400 And Sidney Sweeney is

00:38:30.340 like, yeah, okay.

00:38:32.160 Probably not clamoring

00:38:33.780 to date you.

00:38:35.940 But if you're a single

00:38:36.900 guy, might as well

00:38:37.740 shoot your shot.

00:38:38.540 So basically, we are

00:38:39.820 telling the View we'll

00:38:40.720 be there anytime,

00:38:42.080 anyplace, anywhere,

00:38:43.440 and the View is

00:38:44.040 saying, hey, we got to

00:38:44.900 wash our hair, we'll

00:38:45.840 get back to you.

00:38:46.980 But Sonny Hostin, I

00:38:49.620 can't believe that a

00:38:51.120 law graduate, again,

00:38:53.540 I'm taking Whoopi

00:38:54.320 Goldberg and Joy

00:38:55.980 Behar off the table,

00:38:57.780 that somebody who went

00:38:58.640 to law school for three

00:38:59.760 years at an elite law

00:39:03.080 school like Notre Dame,

00:39:04.520 it's a very good law

00:39:05.560 school, could

00:39:07.240 misapprehend basic

00:39:10.600 First Amendment and

00:39:12.120 Constitution-related law

00:39:13.820 to go on and talk to that

00:39:16.300 audience and be that

00:39:17.280 stupid.

00:39:18.100 Look, nobody has a

00:39:19.920 constitutional right to

00:39:21.360 get paid millions of

00:39:22.420 dollars to tell jokes.

00:39:24.280 If they did, that would

00:39:25.520 be a hell of a gig.

00:39:27.560 If in the Constitution it

00:39:29.500 was written, hey, and

00:39:31.800 Clay Travis gets to tell

00:39:33.320 whatever jokes he wants

00:39:34.880 and everybody has to pay

00:39:36.840 him millions of dollars

00:39:38.080 to do it, if that were a

00:39:40.860 constitutional right, that'd

00:39:42.320 be a hell of a

00:39:42.860 constitutional right for me.

00:39:44.100 No one is taking away

00:39:46.420 Stephen Colbert's right to

00:39:47.920 free speech.

00:39:50.080 If tomorrow, Julie Talbot,

00:39:52.920 my boss and Buck's boss,

00:39:54.920 came in and she said, hey,

00:39:56.360 you guys are fired, nobody

00:39:58.760 would be taking away our

00:39:59.840 First Amendment speech.

00:40:02.820 We don't have a First

00:40:04.240 Amendment right to talk to

00:40:05.580 you on the radio every day.

00:40:09.000 iHeart is a corporation and

00:40:11.580 they can decide, hey, who do

00:40:13.400 we think is going to do a

00:40:15.780 good show and make us

00:40:17.700 money, we would like to

00:40:19.220 enter into a contract with

00:40:20.580 them.

00:40:21.020 If we start doing a bad

00:40:22.440 show, if we start not

00:40:24.060 making them money, then we

00:40:25.840 would be gone.

00:40:27.420 That's the reality.

00:40:29.560 Stephen Colbert's show lost

00:40:31.060 $40 million.

00:40:33.760 I will guarantee you, if this

00:40:36.400 show lost $1 million, I bet

00:40:39.500 Buck and I wouldn't have a

00:40:40.420 job anymore.

00:40:41.620 If Rush's show had lost $1

00:40:44.240 million, I bet Rush wouldn't

00:40:46.300 have had a job anymore.

00:40:48.520 Anyone who talks to large

00:40:50.400 audiences for a living is

00:40:52.820 obligated unless you own the

00:40:55.040 company yourself, which I do

00:40:56.660 not, which Buck does not,

00:40:58.140 which Sean Hannity does not,

00:40:59.560 which Glenn Beck does not,

00:41:01.020 which Jesse Kelly does not,

00:41:02.420 all distributed by Premier on

00:41:04.060 many of these same stations all

00:41:06.720 across the nation, if we lose

00:41:10.000 money, we're going to lose our

00:41:12.440 jobs.

00:41:14.380 That's good.

00:41:15.920 That's how the marketplace

00:41:17.020 works.

00:41:19.740 No one is stopping Stephen

00:41:21.620 Colbert from starting his own

00:41:23.160 YouTube channel.

00:41:24.540 No one is stopping Stephen

00:41:26.300 Colbert from starting his own

00:41:27.880 podcast.

00:41:29.420 No one is stopping Stephen

00:41:31.100 Colbert from telling as many

00:41:32.900 jokes at the expense of

00:41:34.540 whomever he wants the punchline

00:41:36.420 to be for the rest of his

00:41:38.620 life.

00:41:40.600 All that has happened is

00:41:42.360 Paramount, which owns CBS,

00:41:44.960 their business people, they got

00:41:47.360 out their ledger and they went

00:41:49.480 down and they said, hey, we're

00:41:52.080 losing $40 million on this show.

00:41:56.000 Should we continue to lose $40

00:41:58.440 million on this show forever?

00:42:01.520 Maybe more as the audience

00:42:03.200 continues to decline and move

00:42:04.740 online and move away from late

00:42:06.880 night television.

00:42:09.620 Most business people would say,

00:42:11.200 no, we're not going to do this.

00:42:13.560 Whatever you do, if you work at a

00:42:15.480 for-profit business, if your

00:42:18.140 mechanic shop is losing money,

00:42:20.200 you're probably going to fire

00:42:21.120 people.

00:42:22.420 If your roofer, roofing

00:42:25.200 business is losing money, you're

00:42:26.980 going to fire people.

00:42:27.900 If your gutter guard company is

00:42:29.660 losing money, you're going to fire

00:42:31.340 people, no one has the right to be

00:42:35.720 employed for as long as they want

00:42:38.760 and not have the consequences of

00:42:42.640 that.

00:42:43.720 And for Sonny Hostin to say, oh, our

00:42:46.680 democracy, our Constitution, our

00:42:49.440 First Amendment is at stake if Stephen

00:42:52.440 Colbert is fired because his show

00:42:55.400 isn't making money anymore is so

00:42:58.600 moronically unintelligent that I

00:43:02.840 actually think Notre Dame should ask

00:43:05.040 for their law degree back.

00:43:09.560 And I think we should have an

00:43:11.040 investigation into the bar exam that

00:43:13.360 Sonny Hostin passed because if you

00:43:16.220 have that poor of an understanding of

00:43:18.340 basic constitutional law, I question how

00:43:21.320 in the world you passed any bar exam.

00:43:26.120 What an unbelievable idiot.

00:43:29.700 But that's the kind of arguments that

00:43:32.020 you are seeing now being made across

00:43:34.320 the landscape.

00:43:34.960 And guess what also just happened?

00:43:38.280 Paramount, the parent company of CBS that

00:43:41.160 distribute Stephen Colbert's show, just

00:43:44.160 gave a million, sorry, a billion and a

00:43:48.020 half dollars to Trey Parker and Matt

00:43:50.940 Stone who do South Park, the comedic

00:43:54.340 show, which has aired now for 20 some

00:43:57.800 odd years on Comedy Central and is also

00:44:01.320 owned by Paramount.

00:44:02.940 They just gave them a new five year deal

00:44:05.560 for one point five billion dollars.

00:44:10.280 And I believe I'm correct that their

00:44:12.320 debut episode for the new season just

00:44:16.160 aired last night and they made a lot of

00:44:19.080 jokes at Donald Trump's expense.

00:44:22.180 Paramount didn't fire them.

00:44:23.920 Do you know why?

00:44:25.100 Because their show makes money.

00:44:27.400 And if your comedy show makes money, my

00:44:30.500 bet is that every business in America is

00:44:33.940 going to get behind you and want to make

00:44:36.300 more money.

00:44:38.000 And so Sonny Hostin's on the view

00:44:40.120 crazily that show makes money.

00:44:42.540 But if they start to lose money, guess

00:44:44.360 what's going to happen?

00:44:44.940 ABC News is going to say, hey, we don't

00:44:46.720 have to do this anymore.

00:44:49.200 Corporations aren't bound to make you

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00:48:13.740 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:48:15.900 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

00:48:17.640 We'll go some more of your talkbacks and some of

00:48:19.660 your calls and emails to close out the show.

00:48:21.980 But we are going now to be joined by Representative

00:48:25.020 Brian Jack from 3rd Congressional District in

00:48:28.380 Georgia.

00:48:29.620 Prior to joining this edition of Congress, you worked

00:48:34.620 with President Trump.

00:48:35.900 And we're going to get into a bunch of different

00:48:37.300 things.

00:48:37.780 But when you see all of the stories coming out

00:48:41.060 about the Russiagate hoax and everything that

00:48:43.820 surrounds that, how impactful were those hoaxes

00:48:48.540 when Trump 1.0 was underway?

00:48:51.980 What did you see in those days?

00:48:55.080 Well, first and foremost, as someone who listens to

00:48:57.620 the show, it's an honor to be a guest for the first

00:49:00.340 time on it.

00:49:00.980 And I hope this is the first of many conversations

00:49:03.160 to come.

00:49:04.820 But to your point, I joined President Trump's campaign

00:49:07.300 in some of the earliest days of his 2016 campaign.

00:49:12.080 And when he went to the White House, I served in the

00:49:14.140 White House on the very first and very last day of his

00:49:16.760 administration.

00:49:17.800 And while that administration set records across his agenda,

00:49:23.280 this administration is setting even more records.

00:49:25.900 And I think what we as a team learned throughout these last 10

00:49:29.700 years is to focus on the policies that matter to Americans,

00:49:34.300 especially at election time, which are the economy, which are

00:49:37.640 immigration, safety at home, and try to avoid as best you can

00:49:41.900 distractions that don't allow us to make our case to the American

00:49:47.060 people and likewise don't allow us to deliver wins to the American

00:49:50.900 people.

00:49:51.240 So I think we've all endured quite a bit of those hoaxes, as you've

00:49:55.480 mentioned, and I myself am no exception to it.

00:49:58.960 And ultimately, I think we're all excited this August to be talking

00:50:01.620 about the president's one big, beautiful bill and what we're going to

00:50:04.600 accomplish the rest of this Congress, especially around boxing, which is

00:50:07.800 what I'm very excited about.

00:50:09.440 I'm going to get to that in a moment.

00:50:10.800 But you have seen certainly the news about Hulk Hogan.

00:50:15.400 A lot of our audience has been reacting just an unbelievable cultural icon.

00:50:20.640 from the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s.

00:50:24.760 I bet that you have some Hulk Hogan memories.

00:50:28.420 And obviously, last year on the stage at the RNC, what do you remember about the

00:50:34.260 cultural icon of Hulk Hogan?

00:50:36.880 Sure.

00:50:37.620 Well, I'm myself a big WWE fan and was an even bigger WCW fan back in the day.

00:50:44.480 Admittedly, I was a big Goldberg fan.

00:50:46.220 And I actually went just a few weeks ago to see his retirement match in Atlanta.

00:50:50.460 And it was very special for me because 27 years before he retired, I also was at Hulk

00:50:56.300 versus Goldberg at the Georgia Dome.

00:50:58.980 Oh, that's super cool.

00:50:59.980 Monday night show, but I was at that show.

00:51:01.900 So 27 years later, to have an opportunity to watch Goldberg retire was an incredible

00:51:07.200 opportunity, incredible experience.

00:51:08.820 And that hadn't been said as it relates to the Hulk.

00:51:10.980 I mean, he, to your point, is an American icon.

00:51:13.480 And frankly, and I know we're going to get into boxing, but that's what inspires me about

00:51:17.320 trying to revive boxing, this once great American sport.

00:51:20.460 But the heroes of boxing yesterday is something that inspires me to try to get this legislation

00:51:27.740 passed so we can have heroes and cultural icons like Muhammad Ali in the sport going

00:51:31.500 forward.

00:51:32.500 Yeah, no doubt.

00:51:33.140 I mean, I think if you're around my age, you grew up in the Mike Tyson era of boxing.

00:51:38.100 Mike Tyson was the must-watch guy when I was a kid growing up.

00:51:41.620 A lot of people out there, older, have different boxers that they watched.

00:51:46.020 MMA has taken off.

00:51:47.280 In fact, President Trump has said next year, he's going to have a UFC event on the South

00:51:52.840 Lawn of the White House, which I'm hoping I get to go to, because that's going to be

00:51:56.060 one of the most badass sporting events of all time.

00:51:59.500 Boxing has struggled sometimes in this culturally relevant space.

00:52:04.040 WWE has monster audiences still.

00:52:07.500 We know that the UFC has unbelievable audience as well.

00:52:11.840 Huge percentages of our audience would be paying attention to those events on a regular

00:52:16.360 basis, but boxing has struggled to keep pace.

00:52:19.880 Why do you think that is, and what are you trying to do to help bring boxing back in the

00:52:24.260 United States?

00:52:25.920 Well, what I find most interesting is that boxing, professional boxing, is the only sport

00:52:31.780 regulated by Congress.

00:52:33.520 And I think that perhaps some of your listeners may not have been aware of that, nor too have

00:52:38.080 some of my colleagues been aware of that.

00:52:39.640 Part of this is informing and letting people know that Congress actually has a legitimate

00:52:45.360 role in operating in the space, because we have history here.

00:52:48.740 In 1996, Congress tried to address some of the health and safety issues in boxing, and they

00:52:54.300 passed the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 96.

00:52:56.880 In 2000, Congress came back and passed the Muhammad Ali Act, which helped address some of the

00:53:02.780 corruptive nature of the sport.

00:53:04.580 I think one of the challenges in the last 25 years, again, it's been 25 years, a quarter

00:53:09.680 of a century since Congress touched and enacted any legislation around boxing, you've seen this

00:53:15.680 precipitous decline in the sport.

00:53:17.560 Viewership's down.

00:53:18.360 Pay-per-view buys are down.

00:53:19.980 And I think one of the challenges is we haven't seen innovation in this sport for 25 years.

00:53:24.720 The reason why we have not seen innovation and the reason why I yesterday introduced the

00:53:29.680 Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act is because we need to clarify existing law where

00:53:35.520 it's ambiguous so that we can usher in new types of organizations, new types of business

00:53:41.560 models, so to speak, to come into this sport and function alongside the sanctioning organizations

00:53:48.200 that will continue to function in this sport.

00:53:50.080 We want to have more choice and more opportunities for boxers.

00:53:53.380 We need legislation that defines who can operate in this space and how they can operate in this

00:53:58.600 space, and we've got to clarify what's there because no innovation will not yield the next

00:54:04.400 generation of heroes to what we're trying to deliver.

00:54:07.300 And I would imagine we would also like to have more of the biggest fights in the United

00:54:12.140 States, right, to the extent that we could help make that happen.

00:54:15.380 I know boxing is a global brand business now and people pay for them to go all over the

00:54:20.320 world, but I would imagine part of that goal is to make it possible for us to have great

00:54:25.380 fights again here in the United States.

00:54:27.480 Well, to your point, I mean, people on the show, you know where you were when Holyfield

00:54:32.480 Tyson, you may remember where you were in 85, Hagler, Hearn.

00:54:37.720 So I think that when you think about what we're trying to accomplish here, it's to build consensus

00:54:45.540 around the country that we need Congress to move on this legislation.

00:54:49.060 We've got to have an update after 25 years, and we need to deliver innovation, opportunities

00:54:53.460 for those that are interested in operating in the sport.

00:54:56.420 And innovation is going to generate, in my mind, it's going to generate a lot of American

00:55:00.700 interest in the sport.

00:55:01.660 You're going to see folks coming up.

00:55:03.200 And some of the safety protections and some of the compensation enhancements that we're

00:55:08.160 adding to this bill are going to, again, motivate and excite people about wanting to get involved

00:55:13.280 in the sport.

00:55:13.800 It's been 37 years since American has won a gold medal.

00:55:17.900 I hope the next gold medalist is inspired by this legislation and gets back into the

00:55:22.020 ring and fights their way to a champion.

00:55:25.780 I would love to have an American gold medal boxer.

00:55:28.120 I'd also just like to have men actually win men's boxing and women win women's boxing.

00:55:33.220 How crazy is it that the president had to put a rule in place so the United States Olympic

00:55:38.300 Committee would say, hey, women's sports can only be, for the Olympics, competed in by women?

00:55:44.320 Well, and again, I think that ultimately there may be people that try to inject some of those

00:55:49.660 culture wars into this.

00:55:51.080 This is a really sound piece of legislation.

00:55:54.260 And ultimately, we have protections for male boxers and we have protections for female boxers

00:56:00.060 within this legislation.

00:56:01.420 The key of it is ensuring that we provide more opportunities for boxers to engage in the

00:56:06.700 sport, earn better compensation in the sport, have greater health and safety protection.

00:56:10.360 And I think anybody listening, it's been 25 years, a quarter of a century since we've

00:56:15.000 updated boxing laws.

00:56:16.560 It's long overdue.

00:56:17.760 If we're able to pass this, you're going to usher in a whole new era of innovation that's

00:56:21.620 going to revitalize and revive the sport.

00:56:23.540 And let me just also say, we're calling it the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act

00:56:28.300 because we have the endorsement of Lani Ali, the wife of Muhammad Ali.

00:56:32.300 That was very special to us.

00:56:33.480 And she has a very special statement in support of it.

00:56:36.540 And we also have the endorsement of the Association of Boxing Commissions.

00:56:39.840 The ABC is considered the gold standard in the sport.

00:56:43.620 So having their input, helping learn from them how best to shape this legislation, I think

00:56:48.420 yielded an incredible product.

00:56:50.800 Congressman, we appreciate you listening to the show.

00:56:53.240 Thanks for all the work you've done for President Trump.

00:56:56.020 This sounds like a bill that makes a lot of sense.

00:56:58.100 You're listening to Brian Jack representing the 3rd Congressional District of Georgia.

00:57:03.680 Hope we can keep keeping you entertained on this.

00:57:06.520 And good luck with the bill.

00:57:07.920 It was an honor speaking with you.

00:57:09.900 I'm a big fan of yours.

00:57:10.780 Big fan of the show.

00:57:12.120 And as a fellow listener, like I said, I would love to come back on and share.

00:57:15.280 We expect September, October will start the season movement in the committee process.

00:57:18.820 But as we move toward our 250th anniversary next year, let's revive this once great American

00:57:24.040 sport.

00:57:24.620 Thank you.

00:57:25.200 No doubt.

00:57:25.920 Thank you.

00:57:26.380 That's Congressman Brian Jack, 3rd Congressional District in Georgia.

00:57:31.700 We come back.

00:57:32.580 More reactions to Hulk Hogan's untimely passing, 71 years old.

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