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Hulk Hogan, 71-year-old wrestling superstar who was at the Republican National Convention last year, endorsing President Trump, has died at the age of 71. He was a huge Donald Trump supporter and an iconic American original.

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:02.460 Guaranteed human.
00:00:04.880 Welcome in the Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
00:00:08.920 Buck's out the rest of the week.
00:00:10.260 You'll have me solo as we roll through all of the major breaking news stories.
00:00:17.840 And right off the top, I think Buck would have been just as sad about this news as I am.
00:00:23.780 For any of us, particularly that grew up in the 80s and the 90s,
00:00:29.660 Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show.
00:00:32.460 Theo dying earlier this week.
00:00:35.440 But just in the last 30 minutes or so, TMZ reports that Hulk Hogan,
00:00:42.740 71-year-old wrestling superstar who was at the RNC last year,
00:00:50.820 about this time endorsing President Trump, has died.
00:00:56.880 Again, age of 71, if you are of the age, as I know many of you are,
00:01:04.060 who grew up in the 1980s watching wrestling, or if you had kids that loved wrestling,
00:01:11.400 maybe you did.
00:01:12.420 Maybe you were a big Hulkamaniac back in the 1980s and the 1990s.
00:01:17.940 I don't think there are very many people that were more famous in America in the 80s and the 90s than Hulk Hogan.
00:01:27.360 71 years old.
00:01:28.720 I want to play a couple of cuts of Hulk Hogan.
00:01:33.820 Again, the news just coming down.
00:01:35.180 Hulk Hogan dies at 71 years old.
00:01:38.600 Here he was last year.
00:01:39.900 We played some of these cuts for you.
00:01:41.800 Very funny for those of you who remember the speech.
00:01:45.440 Cut 26 Hulk Hogan at the RNC in Milwaukee last year about this time.
00:01:51.480 What you gonna do when Donald Trump and all the Trumpamaniacs run wild on you, brother?
00:02:02.500 Also cut 27.
00:02:05.000 Here, remember, he ripped his shirt off in vintage Hulk Hogan fashion.
00:02:08.660 He seemed very good last year.
00:02:12.160 Reports are early, again, that he had a heart attack at 71 years old.
00:02:17.980 A lot of those wrestlers, what they put their bodies through, have not had very long lives, as many of you know.
00:02:24.760 Here is cut 27.
00:02:26.960 Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off on the RNC stage.
00:02:30.400 This is what it sounded like.
00:02:31.360 What happened last week when they took a shot at my hero? 0.84
00:02:38.660 And they tried to kill the next president of the United States.
00:02:46.120 Enough was enough. 0.94
00:02:48.980 And I said, let Trumpamania run wild, brother.
00:02:54.040 Let Trumpamania rule again.
00:02:56.900 Let Trumpamania make America great again.
00:03:01.040 And that was an incredible turn on the stage.
00:03:11.080 Now, I know about that.
00:03:12.560 My boys are big wrestling fans, and I know probably a lot of you out there listening are as well.
00:03:17.940 The WWE, back in the day, was the WWF, brought Hulk Hogan back in in, relatively speaking, a warm embrace after scandal had pushed him away for some time.
00:03:31.900 And he appeared on, I believe, the most recent WrestleMania and on several different of their events.
00:03:41.940 So, look, if you want to talk back, I imagine that there are a lot of you out there hearing this news that want to react.
00:03:50.400 If you've got a favorite moment from the Hulksters era, you can talk back.
00:03:58.260 We'll play some of those.
00:03:59.560 I would imagine that this is something that is hitting a lot of people out there who grew up, like I said,
00:04:05.600 in the 80s and 90s, with Hulk Hogan as famous just about as any sports entertainer, media personality, frankly,
00:04:13.740 however you want to classify him, as almost anyone out there.
00:04:18.460 And obviously a huge Donald Trump supporter and an iconic American original.
00:04:25.200 I mean, truly one of the most, only in America, as Don King used to like to say, but truly only in America.
00:04:36.920 I don't know that there are figures like Hulk Hogan who certainly had tremendous global appeal
00:04:42.420 and would have been one of the most recognizable people, I think, anywhere in the United States for sure,
00:04:48.580 even for people that did not care much about wrestling, he was just an absolute icon.
00:04:55.120 So, that news coming down, sad news, Ozzy Osbourne, for those of you who are rock fans,
00:05:01.720 and Malcolm Jamal Warner, if you grew up in the 1980s, 1970s, 1990s, those are three different icons
00:05:11.080 that may well have characterized some of your youth.
00:05:15.000 Okay, so I wanted to share all that with you off the top.
00:05:19.100 I got a text message this morning, I was getting ready for the show,
00:05:22.960 and a friend of the show, we've had him on the show, Alexi Wallace,
00:05:27.540 one of the best American men's soccer players of his era,
00:05:33.120 and an American soccer analyst, a lot of you know him, big fan of the show, awesome guy.
00:05:39.440 He said, hey, I was listening, he listens every day,
00:05:42.160 and he said, I was listening yesterday, and I think, hey man, I speak for a lot of people,
00:05:46.600 the Russiagate story is just, it's a big mess, and the way it's being covered, it's hard to even understand.
00:05:55.720 Can you give us a sense, just distill why it matters, take us through it?
00:06:01.300 I think, and he was speaking on behalf of not only himself, but a lot of other listeners,
00:06:05.440 he said, I just think this is super complicated and confusing.
00:06:09.420 So, I took that to heart, and I got out, for those of you who watch us on YouTube,
00:06:14.200 go subscribe, we're over 90,000 subscribers now, I want us over 100,000.
00:06:19.220 But for those of you who watch on YouTube, this is how I do the show.
00:06:23.040 I am holding up for you right now a yellow legal pad,
00:06:26.800 and I basically just, I'll sit here with a pen in my hand,
00:06:29.760 and I jot down bullet points that I think are important to characterize what exactly a story is.
00:06:37.560 Just a little note, so that I know where I'm going.
00:06:42.340 And this morning, right before the show, I took Alexi's comments to heart,
00:06:47.200 and I just jotted down a flow chart that I think will simplify,
00:06:53.060 in the minds of people out there that are somewhat confused over what happened with Russiagate,
00:06:57.900 I also want to open up phone lines, 800-282-2882, ask questions.
00:07:04.700 There's nothing wrong with not knowing the answer to a question.
00:07:08.760 A lot of people have opinions, but I think very often,
00:07:12.240 the foundational knowledge is very important,
00:07:14.780 because it will allow you to have more intelligent opinions than you otherwise might.
00:07:19.100 So, let's go back in time.
00:07:20.900 Let's go back in time to 2016, to the election night.
00:07:25.820 Hillary Clinton is an overwhelming favorite to win the election, 0.82
00:07:31.780 according to all of the quote-unquote experts.
00:07:35.040 I remember sitting, as you probably remember sitting,
00:07:38.660 watching all those election results come in,
00:07:41.120 and seeing what was effectively a cataclysm for the media.
00:07:47.000 All of their predictions, all of their expertise, all of their polls,
00:07:52.180 they were all 100% wrong.
00:07:54.300 And not only were they 100% wrong, but Trump didn't just win.
00:07:58.520 He won what would have to be characterized in many ways as a landslide victory out of nowhere.
00:08:05.600 One states that they said he had no chance of winning,
00:08:08.480 Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, states that he would win again in 2024.
00:08:13.600 But in 2016, they didn't see it coming at all.
00:08:16.020 And so, in the immediate aftermath of Trump's win,
00:08:20.440 the media and the intelligentsia and the entire Democrat establishment
00:08:25.960 had two paths they could have taken.
00:08:29.020 One, they could have said,
00:08:30.660 hey, maybe this guy Donald Trump is a much better politician than we thought he was.
00:08:35.480 And maybe Hillary Clinton is a much worse politician than we thought she was. 1.00
00:08:41.400 And they could have gone through all of the returns,
00:08:44.220 and they could have come up with a game plan to try to beat Trump in 2020
00:08:49.980 that acknowledged the significance of his win
00:08:53.760 and also gave credit to him for being an elite politician.
00:08:59.740 They didn't do that.
00:09:01.680 Instead, they went back and they said,
00:09:04.200 there's no way this result could have happened
00:09:07.320 and happened in a legal manner.
00:09:11.120 In other words,
00:09:12.280 Trump had to have cheated.
00:09:14.900 What are we missing?
00:09:16.700 Everybody said Hillary was going to win. 1.00
00:09:19.140 What are we missing?
00:09:20.240 What happened to make Trump win?
00:09:24.060 And instead of saying Hillary was a bad candidate, 0.98
00:09:26.780 Hillary didn't campaign in the states she should have, 1.00
00:09:29.520 Hillary used her resources poorly,
00:09:31.900 she was a thoroughly unlikable person to many,
00:09:35.560 even Obama voters.
00:09:37.160 Remember, Obama came out of nowhere to beat Hillary way back in 2008,
00:09:42.620 despite the fact that Hillary had all of the advantages. 1.00
00:09:46.580 What was it that happened?
00:09:48.400 They decided it had to be something outside the bounds of normalcy.
00:09:54.380 There had to be cheating going on.
00:09:56.760 Trump cheated.
00:09:57.920 And I believe what happened was
00:09:59.620 that message was conveyed to the intelligence community,
00:10:03.380 which also was stunned beyond belief that Trump could win.
00:10:07.200 And so they came up with the idea
00:10:09.140 that Russia put its finger on the scale
00:10:12.700 and the story became manufactured narrative.
00:10:17.220 The reason Trump won was Russia.
00:10:19.920 And they even moved beyond Trump won because of Russia
00:10:23.300 to Trump is and was a Russian agent.
00:10:27.900 He is effectively the Manchurian candidate.
00:10:30.120 They took that manufactured evidence
00:10:34.100 that they had created in the intelligence communities
00:10:36.540 out to the Washington Post,
00:10:39.680 the New York Times,
00:10:40.940 ABC, NBC, CBS,
00:10:44.560 CNN, MSNBC,
00:10:46.260 and they all uncritically
00:10:48.640 took that expert intelligence information
00:10:52.440 and trumpeted it as news
00:10:55.360 and said Trump cheated.
00:10:58.220 All of this was the product
00:11:00.040 of Russia's interference in our election.
00:11:02.700 And they did it by saying
00:11:04.520 Russia hacked the election.
00:11:07.060 And many people out there
00:11:09.120 in the media,
00:11:10.680 in the Democrat Party,
00:11:11.820 you can say they're one in the same,
00:11:13.560 decided to immediately put Trump under siege
00:11:17.320 because the idea from the get-go
00:11:19.840 was that he was an illegitimate president.
00:11:22.680 They couldn't accept that Hillary lost.
00:11:25.740 Again, this was the original sin.
00:11:28.340 They had two paths.
00:11:30.700 Hillary just lost. 1.00
00:11:31.620 She was a bad candidate. 1.00
00:11:32.820 Trump was better than we thought.
00:11:34.220 That is, I think, indisputably true.
00:11:38.320 Instead, they said they had to have cheated.
00:11:41.340 Let's delegitimize Trump right at the outset.
00:11:44.820 They made the calculated decision,
00:11:46.660 hey, this is the path we're going to take.
00:11:49.660 And here is where,
00:11:51.620 Buck, we'll talk about this
00:11:52.740 because I don't think this story is going away.
00:11:54.240 We'll talk about this with Buck
00:11:55.200 when you come back on Monday.
00:11:56.480 I think he would sign on to this.
00:11:58.420 The intelligence agencies are so big
00:12:00.520 that if you want to find a story to tell
00:12:04.080 inside of that intelligence agency,
00:12:06.580 there's somebody with data points
00:12:08.220 that will allow you to tell the story
00:12:09.920 that you want to tell.
00:12:11.520 Uncritically, the Washington Post,
00:12:13.580 New York Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN,
00:12:16.000 MSNBC, they all ran with Russia and Trump cheated.
00:12:21.660 That's why they won the election.
00:12:23.880 If you asked any questions about that,
00:12:26.880 oh, you were complicit as well,
00:12:28.680 maybe Russia was paying you.
00:12:30.120 All of that then leads to basically
00:12:34.420 the entire Trump 1.0 regime
00:12:36.740 being under siege from the moment
00:12:38.920 they came into office.
00:12:41.060 Attorney General won't end it.
00:12:44.180 Says, hey, we've got to have a special counsel
00:12:46.800 to investigate all this Russia collusion.
00:12:49.420 Mueller comes in,
00:12:50.560 spends years investigating.
00:12:52.780 Eventually, what does he come out and say?
00:12:54.400 There's no evidence of collusion, effectively.
00:12:58.740 But it took years.
00:13:01.320 That also, when we come back,
00:13:02.820 I want to talk about this,
00:13:03.880 it wasn't just 2016.
00:13:06.240 All of this also set the table
00:13:08.800 for what I think was the ultimate rig job of 2020,
00:13:13.380 when because they had set the idea
00:13:15.400 that Trump was Putin's stooge,
00:13:18.000 that Trump was working for Russia,
00:13:20.060 when the 100% legitimate Hunter Biden laptop,
00:13:24.420 which indicated so much wrongdoing
00:13:26.860 by the Biden family,
00:13:28.360 when that was in FBI possession,
00:13:31.340 they decided to say,
00:13:33.380 the 51 intelligence agents,
00:13:35.440 that it had all the hallmarks
00:13:37.200 of Russian disinformation.
00:13:39.400 They then sold an additional Russia lie.
00:13:42.800 The idea from the outset was clear. 0.97
00:13:45.740 Trump is a Russian stooge. 0.87
00:13:47.840 Trump is controlled by Putin. 0.89
00:13:49.800 The only way he could have won in 2016
00:13:53.160 was by Russian interference.
00:13:56.800 It was all a lie.
00:13:58.680 And what Tulsi was talking about yesterday
00:14:00.560 was that even the intelligence agencies themselves
00:14:04.140 did not have the evidence to support the lies
00:14:07.460 that they helped to propagate.
00:14:09.180 That's why all this is significant.
00:14:11.100 800-282-2882.
00:14:13.100 I hope I'm explaining that in a way
00:14:14.880 that is understandable,
00:14:16.260 because I understand certainly
00:14:18.480 how complicated all of this can be
00:14:21.880 and how difficult it is
00:14:23.460 to stay on top of all of this as well.
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00:16:06.800 Sad news as we started off the show
00:16:11.160 reporting Hulk Hogan,
00:16:13.760 71 years old,
00:16:15.580 American original,
00:16:16.920 American icon,
00:16:18.260 passed in the last hour and a half or so.
00:16:22.680 And many reacting to his passing.
00:16:26.200 I asked you guys,
00:16:27.360 you can send me talkbacks
00:16:28.820 of moments that you remember
00:16:31.180 from Hulk Hogan's career.
00:16:32.420 We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.
00:16:36.320 In terms of icon,
00:16:37.840 you spend a lot of time talking
00:16:39.380 about celebrities
00:16:40.880 and impact
00:16:42.420 and the legacy of fame
00:16:44.540 and all of these,
00:16:45.860 I think,
00:16:46.660 just tremendously
00:16:47.460 generational
00:16:49.420 and timeless
00:16:51.240 analyses.
00:16:52.460 where would you put Hulk Hogan
00:16:54.740 on the list of
00:16:56.920 true American originals,
00:16:58.720 celebrities,
00:16:59.360 in that context
00:17:00.980 for which you have spent
00:17:02.400 much of your career
00:17:03.220 writing about?
00:17:04.920 I interviewed Hogan
00:17:06.320 back when he was
00:17:08.700 probably the top
00:17:10.980 wage earner
00:17:12.200 in the wrestling
00:17:13.000 business.
00:17:14.580 and I think he's
00:17:16.320 the most famous
00:17:17.080 wrestler ever.
00:17:19.220 So, I mean,
00:17:19.740 you don't get more iconic
00:17:20.940 in that industry
00:17:22.080 than that.
00:17:23.220 But what is historical
00:17:24.780 importance is
00:17:25.760 is that he destroyed
00:17:27.300 that smear website
00:17:28.840 which was
00:17:31.240 damaging
00:17:32.660 thousands of people.
00:17:33.640 Gawker,
00:17:34.160 he took down.
00:17:35.920 And
00:17:36.480 I admired that
00:17:38.240 because
00:17:39.280 that was the worst.
00:17:41.460 I mean,
00:17:41.860 there are a lot
00:17:42.840 of bad websites now.
00:17:44.020 A lot.
00:17:45.660 Nothing like that.
00:17:47.520 And he took them down
00:17:48.920 single-handedly.
00:17:50.640 It was all him.
00:17:52.420 And that's what
00:17:53.200 I will remember him
00:17:54.460 for as a journalist.
00:17:56.560 The wrestling industry,
00:17:58.360 okay,
00:17:59.780 you know,
00:18:01.100 but
00:18:01.760 what he did was
00:18:03.660 he sent
00:18:04.480 a message
00:18:05.180 that
00:18:05.840 there is a limit
00:18:07.080 to how much
00:18:08.400 you can hurt people
00:18:09.640 using a website
00:18:11.480 or a company.
00:18:12.860 and that was
00:18:13.980 very important
00:18:14.800 for this country.
00:18:16.900 You
00:18:17.540 are
00:18:18.460 writing about
00:18:19.640 right now
00:18:21.380 evil
00:18:22.460 in particular,
00:18:24.420 confronting evil,
00:18:25.720 assessing the worst
00:18:26.580 of the worst.
00:18:27.360 That book is going to come out
00:18:28.340 September 9th
00:18:29.360 very soon.
00:18:30.860 Yesterday,
00:18:31.420 and we didn't talk about it
00:18:32.380 a ton on the show,
00:18:33.980 but yesterday
00:18:35.020 Brian Koberger
00:18:36.440 was confronted
00:18:37.680 by the family
00:18:38.780 and friends
00:18:39.620 of the four
00:18:40.700 young people
00:18:41.540 that he murdered
00:18:42.360 in cold blood
00:18:43.340 in Idaho.
00:18:45.400 What did you think
00:18:46.660 as you watched
00:18:47.680 that
00:18:48.360 in terms of
00:18:50.340 evil
00:18:51.100 and the fact
00:18:52.420 that he just
00:18:52.900 basically has
00:18:53.780 declined to say
00:18:55.420 anything about
00:18:56.180 the crimes
00:18:56.840 that he is committing
00:18:57.580 that
00:18:58.100 the plea
00:18:59.440 that he has entered
00:19:00.060 into
00:19:00.380 is going to save him
00:19:01.240 from the death penalty
00:19:02.120 but means he'll have
00:19:02.840 to spend the rest
00:19:03.460 of his life
00:19:04.020 in prison?
00:19:05.240 That is singular evil,
00:19:09.600 individual evil
00:19:11.040 and it's heinous
00:19:13.040 but it's been
00:19:13.980 in humankind
00:19:15.560 forever,
00:19:17.580 ever since the planet
00:19:18.520 and Neanderthals
00:19:21.160 walked it.
00:19:22.620 It has always been here,
00:19:23.920 singular evil.
00:19:24.820 What I write about
00:19:25.640 in confronting evil
00:19:26.920 is collective evil
00:19:28.440 where you have
00:19:30.400 15 people
00:19:31.400 that we spotlight
00:19:32.980 inside the book
00:19:34.200 that achieved
00:19:35.980 enormous power
00:19:37.200 and they did so
00:19:39.400 in a variety of ways
00:19:40.880 but
00:19:41.740 everyone knew
00:19:43.460 they were evil.
00:19:45.400 There wasn't like
00:19:46.080 a debate about it
00:19:47.280 and yet
00:19:48.660 they were able
00:19:49.520 in their
00:19:50.300 situations,
00:19:51.840 the Ayatollah
00:19:52.560 in Iran,
00:19:53.660 Hitler in Germany,
00:19:55.300 Stalin and Putin 0.74
00:19:56.220 in Russia,
00:19:56.840 they were able
00:19:58.080 to get to a position
00:20:00.040 where they killed
00:20:00.740 millions
00:20:01.540 and millions
00:20:02.580 of people
00:20:03.560 untold suffering.
00:20:06.280 That was my
00:20:06.980 fascination.
00:20:08.700 Now,
00:20:08.900 I've covered
00:20:09.320 a lot of stories
00:20:10.240 in my 50 years
00:20:11.320 in journalism
00:20:12.000 and a lot of
00:20:12.760 heinous serial killers.
00:20:14.760 I chased Ted Bundy
00:20:15.960 from coast to coast.
00:20:18.220 He was one of 0.89
00:20:18.840 the worst 0.72
00:20:19.540 ever
00:20:20.140 and
00:20:21.560 my opinion
00:20:23.220 on it
00:20:23.780 is very simple.
00:20:25.680 These are 0.88
00:20:26.560 psychotic 1.00
00:20:28.760 people. 0.99
00:20:29.620 they're 1.00
00:20:30.340 psychopaths 1.00
00:20:31.640 and they 0.99
00:20:32.700 will commit
00:20:33.400 as much
00:20:33.840 damage
00:20:34.300 as they
00:20:34.780 can.
00:20:35.200 They are
00:20:36.180 evil 1.00
00:20:36.720 and
00:20:38.160 society
00:20:38.940 has an
00:20:39.280 obligation
00:20:39.680 to punish
00:20:40.560 them
00:20:40.980 as much
00:20:41.820 as possible.
00:20:42.900 But it's
00:20:43.720 not at the
00:20:44.400 level of what
00:20:45.300 I'm writing
00:20:45.840 about in my
00:20:46.600 upcoming book.
00:20:47.400 We're talking
00:20:49.220 with Bill O'Reilly.
00:20:50.580 We open
00:20:51.180 the show
00:20:51.860 talking about
00:20:52.860 the revelations
00:20:53.740 from
00:20:54.360 Tulsi Gabbard
00:20:56.320 surrounding
00:20:56.940 the 2016
00:20:57.740 election
00:20:58.340 and what
00:20:59.040 the intelligence
00:20:59.700 agencies knew
00:21:00.840 and what
00:21:01.780 they said
00:21:02.440 publicly.
00:21:04.120 What do you
00:21:04.800 think the
00:21:05.240 significance
00:21:05.680 of that story
00:21:07.060 is?
00:21:07.860 And playing
00:21:08.460 it forward,
00:21:09.620 what will
00:21:10.300 the consequences
00:21:11.220 be,
00:21:11.980 if any,
00:21:13.040 legally,
00:21:13.920 in your mind,
00:21:14.640 going forward
00:21:15.500 from the
00:21:15.900 revelations
00:21:16.560 she just 0.65
00:21:17.180 shared?
00:21:18.280 Well,
00:21:18.580 Brennan has
00:21:19.280 definite
00:21:19.720 criminal
00:21:20.800 potential.
00:21:22.300 The former
00:21:22.740 CIA chief
00:21:23.880 under
00:21:26.220 Obama.
00:21:29.080 The guy,
00:21:30.540 according to
00:21:31.200 the House
00:21:32.020 report,
00:21:33.600 remember,
00:21:34.120 this is the
00:21:34.500 House Intelligence
00:21:35.240 Committee,
00:21:35.820 two years
00:21:36.320 after the
00:21:36.980 Senate,
00:21:37.360 Richard,
00:21:37.700 there's a lot
00:21:38.180 of new
00:21:38.460 information there
00:21:39.300 and it was
00:21:40.080 chaired by
00:21:40.660 Schiff.
00:21:41.940 So the
00:21:42.380 Democratic
00:21:42.820 majority
00:21:43.500 on this
00:21:44.520 committee,
00:21:45.340 they concluded
00:21:46.100 that at
00:21:46.560 least three
00:21:47.080 times that
00:21:49.020 Brennan knew
00:21:50.040 the information
00:21:51.140 that he was
00:21:52.460 using to
00:21:54.120 get warrants
00:21:54.980 to do other
00:21:55.920 things to
00:21:57.160 damage the
00:21:57.820 Trump
00:21:58.040 administration
00:21:58.780 was false.
00:22:00.760 So if I'm
00:22:01.820 Brennan right
00:22:02.460 now, I'm
00:22:03.280 Coleman for the
00:22:03.960 best lawyer I
00:22:04.740 can find.
00:22:06.300 That looks
00:22:06.800 like a slam
00:22:07.420 dung case to 0.69
00:22:08.220 me.
00:22:08.880 That looks
00:22:09.440 like prison
00:22:09.960 time to
00:22:10.500 me.
00:22:11.260 The other
00:22:11.940 is a little
00:22:12.360 murky.
00:22:13.360 I mean,
00:22:13.620 I know
00:22:13.940 the right
00:22:14.340 wing people
00:22:14.900 are jumping
00:22:15.300 up and
00:22:15.600 down going
00:22:16.040 oh, they're
00:22:16.380 going to
00:22:16.580 indict Barack
00:22:17.300 Obama.
00:22:17.800 They're not.
00:22:19.080 That would
00:22:19.700 be impossible.
00:22:20.520 It's not
00:22:20.900 going to
00:22:21.300 happen.
00:22:22.180 So if you
00:22:22.640 want to run
00:22:23.020 around thinking
00:22:23.560 that, fine,
00:22:24.400 but it's
00:22:25.140 not in the
00:22:25.800 real world.
00:22:27.280 Comey, the 1.00
00:22:28.260 FBI chief,
00:22:29.340 now there,
00:22:30.920 you'd have to
00:22:31.660 have a testimony
00:22:32.520 inside the
00:22:33.480 bureau.
00:22:34.620 You'd have to
00:22:35.280 have someone
00:22:35.800 inside the
00:22:36.480 bureau that
00:22:37.020 worked and
00:22:37.540 had access to
00:22:38.360 Comey say, 1.00
00:22:38.820 yeah, he
00:22:39.860 knew the
00:22:40.400 same thing
00:22:41.080 Brennan
00:22:41.500 knew, and
00:22:43.480 he cooperated
00:22:45.140 with the
00:22:46.120 fraud.
00:22:47.260 That's what
00:22:47.800 you would
00:22:48.100 need to
00:22:48.740 nail Comey 1.00
00:22:50.240 in front of
00:22:50.980 a federal
00:22:51.380 grand jury.
00:22:52.100 They may be
00:22:53.000 able to get
00:22:53.400 that.
00:22:54.420 The current
00:22:55.320 Justice Department
00:22:56.000 may be able to
00:22:56.680 get that.
00:22:58.560 And so
00:22:59.160 whenever these
00:23:00.500 stories break,
00:23:01.800 I always tell
00:23:02.920 my listeners
00:23:03.720 and viewers
00:23:04.420 that you
00:23:05.640 have to
00:23:05.940 live in
00:23:06.300 the real
00:23:06.880 world.
00:23:08.280 Supreme
00:23:08.520 Court has
00:23:09.020 ruled clearly
00:23:09.980 in Donald
00:23:10.560 Trump's case
00:23:11.280 in the
00:23:12.480 January 6th
00:23:13.260 that he
00:23:13.720 had the
00:23:14.600 right as
00:23:16.300 president to
00:23:17.940 say and do
00:23:18.740 what he felt
00:23:19.480 was necessary.
00:23:20.720 Barack Obama
00:23:21.240 is going to
00:23:21.600 fall right
00:23:22.220 under that
00:23:22.800 category unless
00:23:23.780 you have
00:23:25.300 Michelle Obama
00:23:26.360 saying,
00:23:27.080 hey, you
00:23:27.380 know, he
00:23:28.660 knew it was
00:23:29.140 a fake.
00:23:30.020 I don't think
00:23:30.900 you're going to
00:23:31.260 get it, but
00:23:31.940 who knows?
00:23:33.880 We're talking
00:23:34.660 to Bill O'Reilly.
00:23:35.880 Got a new
00:23:36.220 book coming
00:23:36.640 out about
00:23:37.360 confronting evil
00:23:38.360 September 9th.
00:23:40.280 What would
00:23:40.920 you tell
00:23:41.200 President Trump
00:23:41.940 he should do
00:23:42.580 about the
00:23:43.260 Epstein
00:23:43.740 revelations and
00:23:45.320 the ongoing
00:23:46.100 story there?
00:23:47.380 If he asked
00:23:47.920 you for advice,
00:23:48.800 your advice
00:23:49.240 would be what?
00:23:50.640 Well, he
00:23:51.060 asked me this
00:23:51.640 morning.
00:23:52.520 Oh, okay.
00:23:53.880 About four
00:23:54.480 hours ago.
00:23:56.560 I got a call
00:23:57.440 from the
00:23:57.700 president and
00:23:59.160 I, you
00:23:59.660 know, I
00:24:00.960 don't,
00:24:01.980 report word
00:24:04.520 for word,
00:24:05.220 but I'll
00:24:05.640 tell you
00:24:06.080 generally my
00:24:07.340 feeling about
00:24:08.200 it, okay?
00:24:09.300 So I don't
00:24:09.860 think that
00:24:10.620 President Trump
00:24:11.180 should answer
00:24:11.660 any questions
00:24:12.500 about Epstein.
00:24:13.940 He should
00:24:14.620 defer to the
00:24:15.360 Justice
00:24:15.640 Department,
00:24:16.800 100%.
00:24:17.600 I would
00:24:18.780 not, as
00:24:19.820 president,
00:24:20.540 allow myself
00:24:21.560 to be besieged
00:24:22.700 by this
00:24:23.380 story.
00:24:25.360 It is a
00:24:26.180 legitimate story
00:24:26.980 in the sense
00:24:27.520 that there
00:24:28.560 are millions
00:24:29.000 of Americans,
00:24:29.740 not just
00:24:30.080 liberal people,
00:24:30.860 but conservatives
00:24:31.760 as well,
00:24:32.680 who believe
00:24:32.980 the fix is
00:24:33.620 in at the
00:24:34.800 federal level.
00:24:35.500 And if you're
00:24:35.780 rich and
00:24:36.100 powerful,
00:24:36.860 you're going
00:24:37.360 to be protected
00:24:38.020 even if you're
00:24:38.600 a criminal.
00:24:39.380 That is a
00:24:40.020 common belief
00:24:40.660 in America.
00:24:41.300 That makes
00:24:41.700 this story
00:24:42.240 valid.
00:24:43.400 So what I
00:24:44.000 would do
00:24:44.420 would be
00:24:44.800 have one
00:24:45.300 spokesperson
00:24:46.000 designated
00:24:46.980 by the
00:24:47.680 Justice
00:24:47.920 Department
00:24:48.500 to deal
00:24:49.540 with this
00:24:50.020 situation
00:24:50.640 and to
00:24:51.560 tell American
00:24:52.920 people,
00:24:53.500 here's what
00:24:54.040 we are
00:24:54.620 doing.
00:24:55.060 If you
00:24:56.440 read the
00:24:56.760 Wall Street
00:24:57.080 Journal report
00:24:57.860 yesterday,
00:24:58.860 it said
00:24:59.540 clearly that
00:25:00.920 in the
00:25:01.560 information
00:25:02.220 compiled by
00:25:02.980 the federal
00:25:03.360 government
00:25:03.760 about Jeffrey
00:25:04.620 Epstein,
00:25:05.280 there are
00:25:05.940 literally
00:25:06.420 hundreds of
00:25:07.540 names in
00:25:09.660 that information.
00:25:11.640 Hundreds.
00:25:13.400 Guys who
00:25:13.980 delivered them
00:25:14.480 bagels,
00:25:15.520 you know,
00:25:16.180 all of those.
00:25:17.600 So these
00:25:18.160 people screaming,
00:25:19.360 oh, you've
00:25:19.620 got to put it
00:25:20.020 all out,
00:25:20.660 that would
00:25:21.080 be billions
00:25:21.680 of dollars
00:25:22.220 in lawsuits
00:25:22.980 if the
00:25:24.400 Justice
00:25:24.620 Department
00:25:25.000 were to
00:25:25.320 do that.
00:25:26.200 Billions.
00:25:27.000 Because if
00:25:27.480 your name
00:25:28.100 is associated
00:25:28.800 with Jeffrey
00:25:29.380 Epstein's
00:25:29.900 name in
00:25:30.200 any capacity,
00:25:32.320 you're going
00:25:32.720 to be harmed.
00:25:34.360 There's not
00:25:34.800 going to be
00:25:35.080 context applied
00:25:35.940 to it by
00:25:36.480 anybody.
00:25:37.940 And so
00:25:38.260 your name
00:25:38.720 pops up
00:25:39.460 alongside
00:25:40.340 Jeffrey
00:25:40.800 Epstein.
00:25:41.460 Whoever
00:25:41.740 doesn't
00:25:42.140 like you
00:25:42.680 is going
00:25:43.460 to use
00:25:43.840 that to
00:25:44.220 hurt you. 0.82
00:25:46.220 And so
00:25:46.800 the Justice
00:25:47.860 Department
00:25:48.200 cannot do
00:25:49.160 that.
00:25:50.000 It's
00:25:50.260 impossible.
00:25:51.640 And also
00:25:52.360 in the
00:25:52.700 journal article,
00:25:53.340 and remember
00:25:53.700 the journal
00:25:54.240 article,
00:25:54.620 the journal
00:25:55.460 is going
00:25:55.880 after Trump.
00:25:57.300 They want
00:25:57.820 to hurt
00:25:58.240 Trump,
00:25:59.300 that newspaper,
00:26:00.360 which is
00:26:00.920 going to be
00:26:01.880 catastrophic
00:26:02.380 for the
00:26:03.260 Murdoch family
00:26:03.980 and Fox
00:26:04.480 News down
00:26:05.060 the road.
00:26:07.740 Also in
00:26:08.620 that article
00:26:09.080 is no
00:26:10.120 one is
00:26:11.240 currently under
00:26:12.300 federal
00:26:13.140 investigation in
00:26:14.300 this case.
00:26:15.140 No one.
00:26:15.780 Now the
00:26:17.700 Wall Street
00:26:18.000 Journal is
00:26:19.260 usually pretty
00:26:20.420 accurate in
00:26:21.340 its reportage.
00:26:22.640 I don't
00:26:22.960 know about
00:26:23.480 this birthday
00:26:24.080 card business.
00:26:25.580 Were you
00:26:25.940 stunned by the
00:26:26.840 way?
00:26:27.040 Let me ask
00:26:27.400 you about
00:26:27.660 that.
00:26:28.040 Because to
00:26:28.760 me from a
00:26:29.540 news
00:26:30.000 perspective,
00:26:31.900 I think you
00:26:32.780 first have to
00:26:33.500 ask yourself
00:26:34.160 the question,
00:26:34.820 we're talking
00:26:35.120 to Bill O'Reilly,
00:26:36.260 is this
00:26:37.020 news?
00:26:38.220 And then
00:26:38.840 secondarily you
00:26:40.280 ask, okay,
00:26:41.200 is it relevant
00:26:42.340 news?
00:26:42.680 I don't even
00:26:43.620 get to the
00:26:44.640 second question
00:26:45.540 because Trump
00:26:46.840 doing, even
00:26:47.820 if he did
00:26:48.440 it, a
00:26:48.960 bawdy birthday
00:26:49.840 card 20
00:26:50.760 some odd
00:26:51.220 years ago
00:26:51.880 for Jeffrey
00:26:52.580 Epstein, to
00:26:53.880 me, isn't
00:26:54.680 news.
00:26:55.300 Epstein wasn't
00:26:55.960 a felon then.
00:26:57.180 And so I
00:26:57.640 don't think it
00:26:57.980 would surprise
00:26:58.520 anybody that
00:26:59.240 Trump might
00:26:59.920 have a little
00:27:00.340 bit of a
00:27:00.700 locker room
00:27:01.240 sense of
00:27:01.700 humor back
00:27:03.200 for much of
00:27:04.020 his life.
00:27:04.600 I mean, that's
00:27:04.960 been well
00:27:05.380 chronicled.
00:27:06.360 I'm just
00:27:06.740 kind of
00:27:07.080 surprised that
00:27:07.980 they chose
00:27:08.700 even to run
00:27:09.520 that story.
00:27:11.100 Well, there
00:27:11.780 are three
00:27:11.980 things involved.
00:27:12.680 here.
00:27:13.400 Number one,
00:27:13.920 you're correct.
00:27:14.680 It is not a
00:27:15.780 news story on
00:27:16.920 its own.
00:27:18.800 But what the
00:27:19.640 press is trying
00:27:20.300 to do is link
00:27:21.440 Trump to
00:27:23.220 Epstein in
00:27:25.780 doing bad
00:27:26.420 things.
00:27:27.280 That's what this
00:27:27.960 is all about.
00:27:29.740 That's what the
00:27:30.300 Trump, that's
00:27:31.820 why President
00:27:32.940 Trump should
00:27:33.400 stay away from
00:27:34.280 this, 100%.
00:27:35.460 What the 0.99
00:27:36.400 dishonest, corrupt 0.95
00:27:37.860 corporate media 0.94
00:27:38.940 in America is
00:27:39.620 trying to do is
00:27:40.260 convince Americans
00:27:41.300 that Donald
00:27:42.760 Trump had
00:27:44.360 access to
00:27:45.880 Jeffrey Epstein's
00:27:47.620 crimes and
00:27:50.200 may have
00:27:50.520 participated.
00:27:51.780 That's what the
00:27:52.740 press wants
00:27:53.400 Americans to
00:27:54.180 believe.
00:27:55.160 So any
00:27:56.080 linkage between
00:27:57.080 Trump and
00:27:57.760 Epstein is
00:27:58.720 going to be 0.74
00:27:59.080 blown up.
00:28:00.180 This is a
00:28:00.680 very simple
00:28:01.180 story.
00:28:01.740 A forensic
00:28:02.260 can make a
00:28:04.700 determination on
00:28:05.880 whether that
00:28:06.400 card is in
00:28:07.000 Trump's hand or
00:28:07.620 not.
00:28:07.860 Trump says
00:28:09.140 he didn't
00:28:09.440 do it and
00:28:10.600 file suit two
00:28:11.480 days later.
00:28:12.160 Two days?
00:28:13.460 Two days?
00:28:15.380 I mean, come
00:28:16.320 on.
00:28:17.820 That looks like a
00:28:19.240 pretty aggressive
00:28:19.860 action to me.
00:28:22.340 And if the
00:28:22.700 journal is
00:28:23.320 wrong, this is
00:28:24.980 an important
00:28:25.360 point.
00:28:26.420 If the
00:28:26.760 Wall Street
00:28:27.260 Journal published
00:28:28.700 a story using a
00:28:30.300 bogus birthday
00:28:31.760 card that's not
00:28:33.620 real, that was a
00:28:34.620 fraud, the
00:28:36.740 whole thing
00:28:38.020 collapses.
00:28:39.180 Not only the
00:28:40.020 Wall Street
00:28:40.340 Journal, Fox
00:28:41.520 News, everything
00:28:42.460 else.
00:28:43.320 Done.
00:28:45.160 That's how big
00:28:45.920 this story is.
00:28:47.820 Let me ask you
00:28:48.740 the last question
00:28:49.460 here.
00:28:49.820 You mentioned
00:28:50.100 that you talked
00:28:50.620 to President
00:28:51.100 Trump earlier,
00:28:52.240 not asking for
00:28:53.000 particulars of the
00:28:53.820 conversation.
00:28:54.860 How would you
00:28:55.420 assess his
00:28:56.380 overall vibe and
00:28:57.720 demeanor as you
00:28:59.120 just talked to
00:28:59.780 him today compared
00:29:01.260 to so far in
00:29:03.200 this term and
00:29:04.380 also compared to
00:29:05.300 last term?
00:29:06.280 How comfortable,
00:29:07.320 how confident
00:29:08.460 did you find him
00:29:09.340 to be?
00:29:10.520 He's tired.
00:29:12.940 And he's tired
00:29:14.020 because this kind
00:29:14.820 of stuff wears
00:29:15.580 you down.
00:29:17.100 And he believes
00:29:19.100 that he's doing
00:29:19.720 an excellent job
00:29:20.660 for the country.
00:29:22.180 Last night,
00:29:23.320 they had a
00:29:25.100 great deal with
00:29:28.100 Japan announced
00:29:29.180 by the Trump
00:29:29.860 administration.
00:29:30.600 Fabulous.
00:29:31.400 It got not one
00:29:32.280 second of coverage
00:29:33.100 on the nightly
00:29:34.180 newscasts,
00:29:34.800 the three of
00:29:35.180 them,
00:29:35.460 not a second.
00:29:37.120 Epstein got
00:29:37.740 10 minutes.
00:29:40.000 So Trump is
00:29:41.040 furious,
00:29:42.460 furious,
00:29:43.280 because this kind
00:29:44.120 of stuff weighs
00:29:45.340 you down
00:29:46.260 emotionally and
00:29:47.480 mentally.
00:29:48.820 Now,
00:29:49.240 he's the strongest
00:29:49.960 guy I know.
00:29:50.860 I mean,
00:29:51.060 my God.
00:29:52.300 But his hand is
00:29:53.380 welling up because
00:29:54.220 he has to shake
00:29:55.320 hundreds of hands
00:29:56.120 a week.
00:29:56.960 I do fist
00:29:57.740 bumps because I
00:29:58.760 got to shake a lot
00:29:59.400 of hands, too.
00:30:00.100 Everybody knows me
00:30:00.860 wherever I go.
00:30:02.520 But I don't
00:30:03.160 shake hands.
00:30:03.800 And I tell
00:30:04.180 people,
00:30:04.500 look, I can't
00:30:05.400 have a swollen
00:30:06.160 hand.
00:30:07.180 Well, Trump's
00:30:07.720 hand is bothering
00:30:08.660 him.
00:30:09.060 It's painful.
00:30:11.180 Okay?
00:30:11.860 So he's going
00:30:12.280 over to
00:30:12.560 Scotland,
00:30:13.080 Hawaii,
00:30:13.780 play some golf
00:30:14.520 over there,
00:30:15.420 get some,
00:30:15.960 you know,
00:30:16.500 cooler temperatures.
00:30:18.260 And I was
00:30:19.720 asking him,
00:30:20.340 I said,
00:30:20.700 look, you know,
00:30:21.340 you're only a
00:30:22.000 person because
00:30:23.460 I know I'm so
00:30:24.240 long.
00:30:25.180 And I said,
00:30:25.840 you know,
00:30:26.120 you got to be
00:30:27.260 a little,
00:30:28.300 you got to take
00:30:29.060 care of yourself
00:30:29.640 here physically
00:30:31.500 and everything.
00:30:32.200 And that's why
00:30:33.140 my advice,
00:30:34.140 and I hope he
00:30:34.580 takes it,
00:30:35.440 don't acknowledge
00:30:37.180 this Epstein
00:30:37.920 thing at all.
00:30:39.300 Let the
00:30:40.060 Justice Department
00:30:41.020 handle it.
00:30:43.040 And that's
00:30:43.720 that.
00:30:45.480 Bill O'Reilly,
00:30:46.560 fantastic as
00:30:47.400 always.
00:30:48.060 The book coming
00:30:48.640 out is
00:30:49.660 Confronting Evil,
00:30:50.940 Assessing the
00:30:51.500 Worst of the
00:30:52.080 Worst.
00:30:52.540 It will be out
00:30:53.140 September 9th.
00:30:54.200 We look forward
00:30:54.740 to talking to
00:30:55.260 you again.
00:30:55.840 You can also
00:30:56.200 check him out
00:30:56.680 at BillOReilly.com.
00:30:58.500 Read his columns
00:30:59.320 there.
00:31:00.200 Appreciate you,
00:31:00.620 sir.
00:31:01.440 All right,
00:31:01.880 Clay,
00:31:02.060 one more thing.
00:31:02.900 We just passed
00:31:03.540 a million subscribers
00:31:05.340 on YouTube.
00:31:06.720 That's important.
00:31:07.580 In three months.
00:31:10.080 And it's
00:31:11.420 YouTube.com
00:31:13.000 slash Bill O'Reilly.
00:31:14.660 And it's totally
00:31:15.480 different than what
00:31:16.200 we do on our
00:31:16.760 television broadcast.
00:31:17.700 And I appreciate
00:31:18.200 you having me on.
00:31:19.280 Tell Buck I think
00:31:20.440 he's faking it.
00:31:22.000 Okay,
00:31:22.280 I think Buck's
00:31:22.800 faking it.
00:31:24.200 All right.
00:31:25.360 But I'll be
00:31:26.040 listening on Monday
00:31:26.720 when you guys
00:31:27.240 get together again.
00:31:28.740 Appreciate you,
00:31:29.540 sir.
00:31:29.900 And go check out
00:31:30.860 his YouTube page.
00:31:31.860 You can also
00:31:32.420 check out our
00:31:33.460 YouTube page.
00:31:34.060 Bill O'Reilly's
00:31:34.780 dunking on us.
00:31:35.920 He just said he's
00:31:36.440 got a million
00:31:36.940 subscribers.
00:31:37.740 What do we have?
00:31:38.240 I'm pulling it up
00:31:38.820 right now.
00:31:39.600 90,000.
00:31:40.800 We have gone over
00:31:41.860 90,000 subscribers.
00:31:44.100 I want us over
00:31:44.960 100K.
00:31:46.540 Bill O'Reilly's
00:31:47.300 got a million.
00:31:48.120 He just dunked on
00:31:48.880 us right there.
00:31:49.360 I didn't even know
00:31:49.820 he was going to do
00:31:50.420 it.
00:31:50.600 He's got us 10 to
00:31:51.300 one.
00:31:51.580 Can you please
00:31:52.580 go subscribe?
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00:31:54.780 Search out Buck Sexton
00:31:55.820 and you can help
00:31:57.180 propel those numbers
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00:32:00.000 Look, you guys know
00:32:01.040 I'm a huge sports fan.
00:32:02.660 MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL,
00:32:06.120 college baseball,
00:32:07.020 college basketball,
00:32:07.940 college football.
00:32:08.560 I love it all.
00:32:09.460 And I love the
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00:32:11.060 it makes all of those
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00:32:16.220 when you play right
00:32:17.060 now.
00:32:17.480 All you have to do is
00:32:18.580 use my name, Clay.
00:32:20.080 You play $5, pick more
00:32:21.740 or less for whoever
00:32:22.760 your favorite athletes
00:32:23.660 are.
00:32:24.060 Look, I got to be
00:32:24.580 honest with you. 0.99
00:32:25.300 The Braves stink. 0.99
00:32:26.540 The Braves are awful 0.99
00:32:27.480 this year.
00:32:27.940 They are the Travis
00:32:28.700 family team.
00:32:29.780 Ronald Acuna is really
00:32:30.780 good though.
00:32:31.500 So we can at least go
00:32:32.420 look at his stats and
00:32:33.380 we can say, okay, we're
00:32:34.240 going to take more.
00:32:35.440 That's at least an
00:32:36.020 incentive to watch because
00:32:37.200 he is a phenomenal
00:32:38.020 player.
00:32:38.520 Maybe your baseball team
00:32:39.360 is playing great.
00:32:40.040 Maybe they're playing
00:32:40.500 poorly.
00:32:41.280 But I guarantee you
00:32:42.000 there's a player at
00:32:42.860 least on that team
00:32:43.780 that is having a good
00:32:44.600 season.
00:32:45.120 You can have fun with
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00:32:47.540 go download the Price
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00:33:14.600 Breaking news as we
00:33:15.720 started the show.
00:33:16.680 Sad news, especially
00:33:17.800 for those of you who
00:33:18.740 grew up watching Hulk
00:33:20.180 Hogan back in the day.
00:33:22.180 71 years old, Hulk
00:33:24.000 Hogan passes.
00:33:25.520 That just happened in
00:33:26.760 the last couple of
00:33:27.620 hours.
00:33:28.360 If you want to give us
00:33:29.100 a talk back, you may
00:33:30.120 have heard several
00:33:31.560 people talking about
00:33:33.060 their experiences or
00:33:34.460 their memories of
00:33:35.900 Hulk Hogan, an
00:33:36.940 absolute icon, true
00:33:38.300 American original.
00:33:39.740 Spoke last year about
00:33:41.100 this time in Milwaukee,
00:33:42.600 Wisconsin, at the
00:33:43.700 Republican National
00:33:44.560 Convention.
00:33:45.700 We may play you that
00:33:46.580 audio again in his
00:33:48.280 honor as he endorsed
00:33:49.800 President Trump.
00:33:52.260 And so we will
00:33:53.660 continue to talk about
00:33:54.800 that.
00:33:55.260 First hour of the
00:33:56.180 program.
00:33:56.680 Encourage you to go
00:33:57.340 subscribe to the
00:33:58.040 podcast.
00:33:59.060 You will not miss
00:34:00.040 anything.
00:34:00.940 We talked all about
00:34:02.360 the Russiagate and
00:34:05.640 why it mattered and
00:34:07.100 why it was significant
00:34:08.200 and where I thought
00:34:09.580 things were headed now
00:34:11.220 after the revelations
00:34:12.460 from Tulsi Gabbard
00:34:13.500 yesterday.
00:34:14.480 A lot of you asking
00:34:15.740 questions.
00:34:16.300 We'll continue to
00:34:17.320 discuss those.
00:34:18.460 I would put our
00:34:19.900 analysis of the
00:34:21.280 larger Russiagate
00:34:22.300 question up against
00:34:23.440 almost anyone, maybe
00:34:24.980 everyone in all of
00:34:26.600 media in terms of
00:34:27.760 telling you why it
00:34:28.760 matters and where we
00:34:29.960 go from here.
00:34:31.160 All of that coming
00:34:33.020 still down as the
00:34:36.160 days and weeks
00:34:36.760 continue.
00:34:37.740 Also, Epstein, the
00:34:39.780 grand jury testimony
00:34:41.160 refused to be released
00:34:42.380 by an Obama
00:34:43.060 appointed judge.
00:34:44.520 The grand jury
00:34:45.240 testimony.
00:34:46.320 Right now, there is
00:34:48.180 a meeting going on
00:34:49.360 between Jelaine
00:34:50.260 Maxwell and one of
00:34:52.560 the top officials in
00:34:54.480 the Department of
00:34:55.160 Justice, one of the
00:34:55.920 Deputy Attorney
00:34:56.840 Generals.
00:34:57.760 We will find out if
00:34:59.260 any news emerges
00:35:00.660 from that.
00:35:01.280 Jelaine Maxwell
00:35:01.980 convicted of sex
00:35:03.260 trafficking, currently
00:35:04.800 serving 20 years in
00:35:06.740 prison as a part of
00:35:09.220 those convictions.
00:35:09.860 She is in
00:35:10.600 Tallahassee, Florida,
00:35:11.640 and we will give you
00:35:13.460 the latest as more
00:35:14.740 details emerge there.
00:35:16.960 But I did want to
00:35:18.300 have some fun.
00:35:19.400 We got a bunch of
00:35:20.220 clips out there, and
00:35:21.180 we almost talked about
00:35:22.000 this yesterday, but
00:35:22.760 then all the Russiagate
00:35:23.860 news happened, and I
00:35:25.680 thought this was super
00:35:26.980 fascinating.
00:35:28.720 I believe really Sonny 1.00
00:35:30.420 Hostin is the dumbest 1.00
00:35:31.560 person who's on 1.00
00:35:32.500 television daily in
00:35:34.000 media, and that
00:35:35.580 might be unfair to
00:35:36.440 her because certainly
00:35:38.040 there are lots of her
00:35:39.160 castmates on The
00:35:40.100 View that give her a
00:35:41.180 run, whether it's
00:35:41.900 Joy Behar, Whoopi
00:35:43.420 Goldberg, but those
00:35:45.220 people are actually
00:35:46.000 comedians.
00:35:46.960 And I don't know
00:35:47.880 that most of us look
00:35:48.740 around and say,
00:35:49.460 hey, you know who
00:35:49.840 the most brilliant
00:35:50.960 people in America are?
00:35:52.900 Comedians.
00:35:53.560 I don't necessarily
00:35:54.440 look to Joy Behar or
00:35:56.300 Whoopi Goldberg to be
00:35:57.520 able to explain
00:35:58.400 complicated things to
00:35:59.880 large audiences.
00:36:00.900 Sonny Hostin, I
00:36:03.080 believe, has a law
00:36:04.180 degree from Notre
00:36:05.320 Dame.
00:36:06.080 Team, will you
00:36:06.920 confirm that that is
00:36:07.900 correct?
00:36:08.900 The Fighting Irish gave 0.98
00:36:11.080 Sonny Hostin a law
00:36:13.500 degree.
00:36:14.220 I know she has a law 1.00
00:36:15.360 degree.
00:36:15.660 I think it's from
00:36:16.260 Notre Dame.
00:36:17.800 But her inability to
00:36:20.280 understand basic
00:36:22.280 legal-related issues
00:36:24.200 when she's talking to
00:36:25.500 her audience suggests
00:36:27.380 to me that Notre
00:36:28.520 Dame should ask for 1.00
00:36:29.960 that law degree back.
00:36:31.820 Here is Sonny Hostin
00:36:33.000 yesterday on The
00:36:34.300 View saying, firing
00:36:36.500 Stephen Colbert is
00:36:38.560 the dismantling of
00:36:40.480 our democracy and
00:36:42.220 the dismantling of
00:36:43.640 our Constitution.
00:36:45.340 Listen to Cut 10.
00:36:46.460 If it is political,
00:36:47.580 this is the
00:36:48.100 dismantling of our
00:36:49.260 democracy.
00:36:50.020 This is the
00:36:50.440 dismantling of our
00:36:51.500 Constitution.
00:36:52.600 Right?
00:36:53.260 And so the First
00:36:54.320 Amendment is the
00:36:54.980 First Amendment for a
00:36:55.860 reason, and that is
00:36:56.740 freedom of the press,
00:36:57.880 freedom of speech,
00:36:58.860 freedom to speak
00:36:59.640 truth to power, if
00:37:00.860 that is taken away,
00:37:02.100 if the comedians are
00:37:03.360 being attacked, then
00:37:04.560 that means our
00:37:05.400 Constitution is being
00:37:06.660 dismantled.
00:37:07.620 That means the very
00:37:08.380 rubric of our
00:37:09.220 democracy is being
00:37:10.520 dismantled.
00:37:11.260 And I think every
00:37:12.140 single person should be
00:37:13.240 really, really concerned
00:37:14.820 about it.
00:37:15.260 And if we find out it
00:37:16.660 is political, what are
00:37:18.140 we going to do as a
00:37:19.620 country?
00:37:20.020 We must protect our
00:37:21.400 Constitution and we
00:37:22.380 must protect our
00:37:23.260 democracy. 1.00
00:37:23.720 She is a moron. 1.00
00:37:26.560 She does, in fact, have 1.00
00:37:28.120 a law degree from
00:37:29.260 Notre Dame.
00:37:30.740 Notre Dame, after that
00:37:32.000 segment aired, should
00:37:33.080 say, actually, could we
00:37:34.680 please have your JD
00:37:35.580 back?
00:37:36.360 I don't know if she
00:37:37.260 ever passed a bar exam.
00:37:38.740 If she did, that is
00:37:40.880 unbelievable.
00:37:43.360 By the way, ABC, I'm
00:37:44.640 just getting an update.
00:37:46.000 ABC got back with us
00:37:48.040 after we invited
00:37:49.240 ourselves onto the
00:37:50.440 View.
00:37:51.240 Our producer, Ali, we
00:37:53.040 got an email.
00:37:53.920 Hi, tomorrow is our
00:37:55.160 last day in studio for
00:37:56.680 this season.
00:37:57.820 The show returns in
00:37:59.000 September for the new
00:38:00.020 season.
00:38:00.920 We then said we would
00:38:02.060 do any day that they
00:38:03.040 wanted in the new
00:38:03.820 season.
00:38:04.260 They have not
00:38:04.800 responded.
00:38:05.740 So we at least now
00:38:06.880 have made contact with
00:38:07.960 the View and
00:38:08.540 negotiations are ongoing
00:38:09.920 and by negotiations, I
00:38:11.420 mean we are happy to
00:38:12.440 go on anytime and they
00:38:14.160 are likely to tell us
00:38:15.140 that they will not have
00:38:16.140 us on anytime.
00:38:17.180 But that's how
00:38:18.000 negotiations are going.
00:38:19.520 It's kind of like
00:38:20.340 how the single guys
00:38:21.660 out there in
00:38:22.120 negotiations to date
00:38:23.280 Sidney Sweeney are
00:38:24.180 going.
00:38:25.060 Hey, Sidney, anywhere
00:38:26.300 you want to go, I'll
00:38:27.700 show up, we'll date.
00:38:29.400 And Sidney Sweeney is
00:38:30.340 like, yeah, okay.
00:38:32.160 Probably not clamoring
00:38:33.780 to date you.
00:38:35.940 But if you're a single
00:38:36.900 guy, might as well 1.00
00:38:37.740 shoot your shot. 1.00
00:38:38.540 So basically, we are 1.00
00:38:39.820 telling the View we'll
00:38:40.720 be there anytime,
00:38:42.080 anyplace, anywhere,
00:38:43.440 and the View is
00:38:44.040 saying, hey, we got to
00:38:44.900 wash our hair, we'll
00:38:45.840 get back to you.
00:38:46.980 But Sonny Hostin, I
00:38:49.620 can't believe that a
00:38:51.120 law graduate, again,
00:38:53.540 I'm taking Whoopi
00:38:54.320 Goldberg and Joy
00:38:55.980 Behar off the table,
00:38:57.780 that somebody who went
00:38:58.640 to law school for three
00:38:59.760 years at an elite law
00:39:03.080 school like Notre Dame,
00:39:04.520 it's a very good law
00:39:05.560 school, could
00:39:07.240 misapprehend basic
00:39:10.600 First Amendment and
00:39:12.120 Constitution-related law
00:39:13.820 to go on and talk to that
00:39:16.300 audience and be that 1.00
00:39:17.280 stupid. 1.00
00:39:18.100 Look, nobody has a 1.00
00:39:19.920 constitutional right to
00:39:21.360 get paid millions of
00:39:22.420 dollars to tell jokes.
00:39:24.280 If they did, that would
00:39:25.520 be a hell of a gig.
00:39:27.560 If in the Constitution it
00:39:29.500 was written, hey, and
00:39:31.800 Clay Travis gets to tell
00:39:33.320 whatever jokes he wants
00:39:34.880 and everybody has to pay
00:39:36.840 him millions of dollars
00:39:38.080 to do it, if that were a
00:39:40.860 constitutional right, that'd
00:39:42.320 be a hell of a
00:39:42.860 constitutional right for me.
00:39:44.100 No one is taking away
00:39:46.420 Stephen Colbert's right to
00:39:47.920 free speech.
00:39:50.080 If tomorrow, Julie Talbot,
00:39:52.920 my boss and Buck's boss,
00:39:54.920 came in and she said, hey,
00:39:56.360 you guys are fired, nobody
00:39:58.760 would be taking away our
00:39:59.840 First Amendment speech.
00:40:02.820 We don't have a First
00:40:04.240 Amendment right to talk to
00:40:05.580 you on the radio every day.
00:40:09.000 iHeart is a corporation and
00:40:11.580 they can decide, hey, who do
00:40:13.400 we think is going to do a
00:40:15.780 good show and make us 0.79
00:40:17.700 money, we would like to
00:40:19.220 enter into a contract with
00:40:20.580 them.
00:40:21.020 If we start doing a bad
00:40:22.440 show, if we start not
00:40:24.060 making them money, then we
00:40:25.840 would be gone.
00:40:27.420 That's the reality.
00:40:29.560 Stephen Colbert's show lost
00:40:31.060 $40 million.
00:40:33.760 I will guarantee you, if this
00:40:36.400 show lost $1 million, I bet
00:40:39.500 Buck and I wouldn't have a
00:40:40.420 job anymore.
00:40:41.620 If Rush's show had lost $1
00:40:44.240 million, I bet Rush wouldn't
00:40:46.300 have had a job anymore.
00:40:48.520 Anyone who talks to large
00:40:50.400 audiences for a living is
00:40:52.820 obligated unless you own the
00:40:55.040 company yourself, which I do
00:40:56.660 not, which Buck does not,
00:40:58.140 which Sean Hannity does not,
00:40:59.560 which Glenn Beck does not,
00:41:01.020 which Jesse Kelly does not,
00:41:02.420 all distributed by Premier on
00:41:04.060 many of these same stations all
00:41:06.720 across the nation, if we lose
00:41:10.000 money, we're going to lose our
00:41:12.440 jobs.
00:41:14.380 That's good.
00:41:15.920 That's how the marketplace
00:41:17.020 works.
00:41:19.740 No one is stopping Stephen
00:41:21.620 Colbert from starting his own
00:41:23.160 YouTube channel.
00:41:24.540 No one is stopping Stephen
00:41:26.300 Colbert from starting his own
00:41:27.880 podcast.
00:41:29.420 No one is stopping Stephen
00:41:31.100 Colbert from telling as many
00:41:32.900 jokes at the expense of
00:41:34.540 whomever he wants the punchline
00:41:36.420 to be for the rest of his
00:41:38.620 life.
00:41:40.600 All that has happened is
00:41:42.360 Paramount, which owns CBS,
00:41:44.960 their business people, they got
00:41:47.360 out their ledger and they went
00:41:49.480 down and they said, hey, we're
00:41:52.080 losing $40 million on this show.
00:41:56.000 Should we continue to lose $40
00:41:58.440 million on this show forever?
00:42:01.520 Maybe more as the audience
00:42:03.200 continues to decline and move
00:42:04.740 online and move away from late
00:42:06.880 night television.
00:42:09.620 Most business people would say,
00:42:11.200 no, we're not going to do this.
00:42:13.560 Whatever you do, if you work at a
00:42:15.480 for-profit business, if your
00:42:18.140 mechanic shop is losing money,
00:42:20.200 you're probably going to fire
00:42:21.120 people.
00:42:22.420 If your roofer, roofing
00:42:25.200 business is losing money, you're
00:42:26.980 going to fire people.
00:42:27.900 If your gutter guard company is
00:42:29.660 losing money, you're going to fire
00:42:31.340 people, no one has the right to be
00:42:35.720 employed for as long as they want
00:42:38.760 and not have the consequences of
00:42:42.640 that.
00:42:43.720 And for Sonny Hostin to say, oh, our
00:42:46.680 democracy, our Constitution, our
00:42:49.440 First Amendment is at stake if Stephen
00:42:52.440 Colbert is fired because his show
00:42:55.400 isn't making money anymore is so 1.00
00:42:58.600 moronically unintelligent that I 1.00
00:43:02.840 actually think Notre Dame should ask 0.99
00:43:05.040 for their law degree back.
00:43:09.560 And I think we should have an
00:43:11.040 investigation into the bar exam that
00:43:13.360 Sonny Hostin passed because if you
00:43:16.220 have that poor of an understanding of
00:43:18.340 basic constitutional law, I question how
00:43:21.320 in the world you passed any bar exam. 1.00
00:43:26.120 What an unbelievable idiot. 1.00
00:43:29.700 But that's the kind of arguments that 1.00
00:43:32.020 you are seeing now being made across
00:43:34.320 the landscape.
00:43:34.960 And guess what also just happened?
00:43:38.280 Paramount, the parent company of CBS that
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00:48:15.900 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
00:48:17.640 We'll go some more of your talkbacks and some of
00:48:19.660 your calls and emails to close out the show.
00:48:21.980 But we are going now to be joined by Representative
00:48:25.020 Brian Jack from 3rd Congressional District in
00:48:28.380 Georgia.
00:48:29.620 Prior to joining this edition of Congress, you worked
00:48:34.620 with President Trump.
00:48:35.900 And we're going to get into a bunch of different
00:48:37.300 things.
00:48:37.780 But when you see all of the stories coming out
00:48:41.060 about the Russiagate hoax and everything that
00:48:43.820 surrounds that, how impactful were those hoaxes
00:48:48.540 when Trump 1.0 was underway?
00:48:51.980 What did you see in those days?
00:48:55.080 Well, first and foremost, as someone who listens to
00:48:57.620 the show, it's an honor to be a guest for the first
00:49:00.340 time on it.
00:49:00.980 And I hope this is the first of many conversations
00:49:03.160 to come.
00:49:04.820 But to your point, I joined President Trump's campaign
00:49:07.300 in some of the earliest days of his 2016 campaign.
00:49:12.080 And when he went to the White House, I served in the
00:49:14.140 White House on the very first and very last day of his
00:49:16.760 administration.
00:49:17.800 And while that administration set records across his agenda,
00:49:23.280 this administration is setting even more records.
00:49:25.900 And I think what we as a team learned throughout these last 10
00:49:29.700 years is to focus on the policies that matter to Americans,
00:49:34.300 especially at election time, which are the economy, which are
00:49:37.640 immigration, safety at home, and try to avoid as best you can 0.51
00:49:41.900 distractions that don't allow us to make our case to the American
00:49:47.060 people and likewise don't allow us to deliver wins to the American
00:49:50.900 people.
00:49:51.240 So I think we've all endured quite a bit of those hoaxes, as you've
00:49:55.480 mentioned, and I myself am no exception to it.
00:49:58.960 And ultimately, I think we're all excited this August to be talking
00:50:01.620 about the president's one big, beautiful bill and what we're going to
00:50:04.600 accomplish the rest of this Congress, especially around boxing, which is
00:50:07.800 what I'm very excited about.
00:50:09.440 I'm going to get to that in a moment.
00:50:10.800 But you have seen certainly the news about Hulk Hogan.
00:50:15.400 A lot of our audience has been reacting just an unbelievable cultural icon.
00:50:20.640 from the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s.
00:50:24.760 I bet that you have some Hulk Hogan memories.
00:50:28.420 And obviously, last year on the stage at the RNC, what do you remember about the
00:50:34.260 cultural icon of Hulk Hogan?
00:50:36.880 Sure.
00:50:37.620 Well, I'm myself a big WWE fan and was an even bigger WCW fan back in the day.
00:50:44.480 Admittedly, I was a big Goldberg fan.
00:50:46.220 And I actually went just a few weeks ago to see his retirement match in Atlanta.
00:50:50.460 And it was very special for me because 27 years before he retired, I also was at Hulk
00:50:56.300 versus Goldberg at the Georgia Dome.
00:50:58.980 Oh, that's super cool.
00:50:59.980 Monday night show, but I was at that show.
00:51:01.900 So 27 years later, to have an opportunity to watch Goldberg retire was an incredible
00:51:07.200 opportunity, incredible experience.
00:51:08.820 And that hadn't been said as it relates to the Hulk.
00:51:10.980 I mean, he, to your point, is an American icon.
00:51:13.480 And frankly, and I know we're going to get into boxing, but that's what inspires me about
00:51:17.320 trying to revive boxing, this once great American sport.
00:51:20.460 But the heroes of boxing yesterday is something that inspires me to try to get this legislation
00:51:27.740 passed so we can have heroes and cultural icons like Muhammad Ali in the sport going
00:51:31.500 forward.
00:51:32.500 Yeah, no doubt.
00:51:33.140 I mean, I think if you're around my age, you grew up in the Mike Tyson era of boxing.
00:51:38.100 Mike Tyson was the must-watch guy when I was a kid growing up.
00:51:41.620 A lot of people out there, older, have different boxers that they watched.
00:51:46.020 MMA has taken off.
00:51:47.280 In fact, President Trump has said next year, he's going to have a UFC event on the South
00:51:52.840 Lawn of the White House, which I'm hoping I get to go to, because that's going to be
00:51:56.060 one of the most badass sporting events of all time.
00:51:59.500 Boxing has struggled sometimes in this culturally relevant space.
00:52:04.040 WWE has monster audiences still.
00:52:07.500 We know that the UFC has unbelievable audience as well.
00:52:11.840 Huge percentages of our audience would be paying attention to those events on a regular
00:52:16.360 basis, but boxing has struggled to keep pace.
00:52:19.880 Why do you think that is, and what are you trying to do to help bring boxing back in the
00:52:24.260 United States?
00:52:25.920 Well, what I find most interesting is that boxing, professional boxing, is the only sport
00:52:31.780 regulated by Congress.
00:52:33.520 And I think that perhaps some of your listeners may not have been aware of that, nor too have
00:52:38.080 some of my colleagues been aware of that.
00:52:39.640 Part of this is informing and letting people know that Congress actually has a legitimate
00:52:45.360 role in operating in the space, because we have history here.
00:52:48.740 In 1996, Congress tried to address some of the health and safety issues in boxing, and they
00:52:54.300 passed the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 96.
00:52:56.880 In 2000, Congress came back and passed the Muhammad Ali Act, which helped address some of the
00:53:02.780 corruptive nature of the sport.
00:53:04.580 I think one of the challenges in the last 25 years, again, it's been 25 years, a quarter
00:53:09.680 of a century since Congress touched and enacted any legislation around boxing, you've seen this
00:53:15.680 precipitous decline in the sport.
00:53:17.560 Viewership's down.
00:53:18.360 Pay-per-view buys are down.
00:53:19.980 And I think one of the challenges is we haven't seen innovation in this sport for 25 years.
00:53:24.720 The reason why we have not seen innovation and the reason why I yesterday introduced the
00:53:29.680 Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act is because we need to clarify existing law where
00:53:35.520 it's ambiguous so that we can usher in new types of organizations, new types of business
00:53:41.560 models, so to speak, to come into this sport and function alongside the sanctioning organizations
00:53:48.200 that will continue to function in this sport.
00:53:50.080 We want to have more choice and more opportunities for boxers. 0.92
00:53:53.380 We need legislation that defines who can operate in this space and how they can operate in this
00:53:58.600 space, and we've got to clarify what's there because no innovation will not yield the next
00:54:04.400 generation of heroes to what we're trying to deliver.
00:54:07.300 And I would imagine we would also like to have more of the biggest fights in the United
00:54:12.140 States, right, to the extent that we could help make that happen.
00:54:15.380 I know boxing is a global brand business now and people pay for them to go all over the
00:54:20.320 world, but I would imagine part of that goal is to make it possible for us to have great
00:54:25.380 fights again here in the United States.
00:54:27.480 Well, to your point, I mean, people on the show, you know where you were when Holyfield
00:54:32.480 Tyson, you may remember where you were in 85, Hagler, Hearn.
00:54:37.720 So I think that when you think about what we're trying to accomplish here, it's to build consensus
00:54:45.540 around the country that we need Congress to move on this legislation.
00:54:49.060 We've got to have an update after 25 years, and we need to deliver innovation, opportunities
00:54:53.460 for those that are interested in operating in the sport.
00:54:56.420 And innovation is going to generate, in my mind, it's going to generate a lot of American
00:55:00.700 interest in the sport.
00:55:01.660 You're going to see folks coming up.
00:55:03.200 And some of the safety protections and some of the compensation enhancements that we're
00:55:08.160 adding to this bill are going to, again, motivate and excite people about wanting to get involved
00:55:13.280 in the sport.
00:55:13.800 It's been 37 years since American has won a gold medal.
00:55:17.900 I hope the next gold medalist is inspired by this legislation and gets back into the
00:55:22.020 ring and fights their way to a champion.
00:55:25.780 I would love to have an American gold medal boxer.
00:55:28.120 I'd also just like to have men actually win men's boxing and women win women's boxing. 0.64
00:55:33.220 How crazy is it that the president had to put a rule in place so the United States Olympic
00:55:38.300 Committee would say, hey, women's sports can only be, for the Olympics, competed in by women? 1.00
00:55:44.320 Well, and again, I think that ultimately there may be people that try to inject some of those
00:55:49.660 culture wars into this.
00:55:51.080 This is a really sound piece of legislation.
00:55:54.260 And ultimately, we have protections for male boxers and we have protections for female boxers
00:56:00.060 within this legislation.
00:56:01.420 The key of it is ensuring that we provide more opportunities for boxers to engage in the 1.00
00:56:06.700 sport, earn better compensation in the sport, have greater health and safety protection.
00:56:10.360 And I think anybody listening, it's been 25 years, a quarter of a century since we've
00:56:15.000 updated boxing laws.
00:56:16.560 It's long overdue.
00:56:17.760 If we're able to pass this, you're going to usher in a whole new era of innovation that's
00:56:21.620 going to revitalize and revive the sport.
00:56:23.540 And let me just also say, we're calling it the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act
00:56:28.300 because we have the endorsement of Lani Ali, the wife of Muhammad Ali.
00:56:32.300 That was very special to us.
00:56:33.480 And she has a very special statement in support of it.
00:56:36.540 And we also have the endorsement of the Association of Boxing Commissions.
00:56:39.840 The ABC is considered the gold standard in the sport.
00:56:43.620 So having their input, helping learn from them how best to shape this legislation, I think
00:56:48.420 yielded an incredible product.
00:56:50.800 Congressman, we appreciate you listening to the show.
00:56:53.240 Thanks for all the work you've done for President Trump.
00:56:56.020 This sounds like a bill that makes a lot of sense.
00:56:58.100 You're listening to Brian Jack representing the 3rd Congressional District of Georgia.
00:57:03.680 Hope we can keep keeping you entertained on this.
00:57:06.520 And good luck with the bill.
00:57:07.920 It was an honor speaking with you.
00:57:09.900 I'm a big fan of yours.
00:57:10.780 Big fan of the show.
00:57:12.120 And as a fellow listener, like I said, I would love to come back on and share.
00:57:15.280 We expect September, October will start the season movement in the committee process.
00:57:18.820 But as we move toward our 250th anniversary next year, let's revive this once great American
00:57:24.040 sport.
00:57:24.620 Thank you.
00:57:25.200 No doubt.
00:57:25.920 Thank you.
00:57:26.380 That's Congressman Brian Jack, 3rd Congressional District in Georgia.
00:57:31.700 We come back.
00:57:32.580 More reactions to Hulk Hogan's untimely passing, 71 years old.
00:57:38.520 Also, Russiagate, an update on what's going on with Epstein, all that and more to close
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